in snooker, I've bee amazed by some force follow shots played by jimmy white, steven lee and neil robertson, especially the famous sudden stop shot by jimmy. it took me a long time to figure out what happened there and your lession is the best illustration on them. cheers for u
Saw this shot for the first time years ago. When a friend hit a hanger hard and the cue ball hit the same cushion twice. Neither of us knew what was going on so we spent a few racks recreating it. Probably the first cool shot I learnt.
I use the term force follow in this case to express a follow shot where the cueball bounces of the rail and then the follow grabs. But you can also use the term for a hard follow shot, where the cueball takes a while till it leaves the tangent line. Enjoy your lesson guys!
It took me a while to learn how to not accidentally create force follow, I can kind of use it on purpose now but super hard to control (like he said). I dont think I have ever used it in league or a tournament.
Yea, this is a beautiful shot. I won 9 ball with it once. The 9 was jawed in the corner and the object ball about a diamond up the long rail. The cue was nearly one diamond from the end rail toward the center of the table almost directly across from the object ball. A force follow into the object ball sent the cue ball into the corner potting the 9 and winning the game. High English with a bit of left to assist it toward the corner pocket and just enough of a full hit to miss the double kiss. Saw that shot in Byrnes book and, low and behold, it appeared on the table during that match. Not as pretty as either example in the video, but still a great tool when available. And, of course, for some show and a quick win. :)
By the way, I am quickly becoming a fan of your videos. Very good stuff, beginning with "your playing this shot wrong." I've tried to share your tangent line info with others, but they aren't buying it. LOL So, I demonstrate it, but they still insist on stop, draw or rail first. Great sensible stuff using the natural action of the cue ball.
I’m just a beginner but I’ve noticed the amount of stubbornness in the sport of pool is unbelievably high, specially when players are given new information that may or may not r may not be better than their usual strategies
I like to use this shot when playing at my college. I tend to be a bit of show off there. I probably wouldn't do it in an important match though. Don't have the cue ball control yet.
!st,I love your videos. I don't know if you can but I would like you to place a video camera above the shot so we can get a different perspective of the shot that you are explaining. I hope you can! Keep up the good work. thx "the wizard"
Unfortunately I can't. But my dream would be to have my own "studio" with a nice pool table and cameras everywhere, so I could produce high quality lessons with live commentating on the table. Currently I am playing and recording in a big pool hall, where that isn't possible.
Hi Sharivari, I have a quick question on the stun shot. In the example that you have given on how to play the shot to avoid the cue ball being stuck to the rail, you mentioned to aim in the center with slight outside english but the cue ball moved in its natural rotation which means there was forward spin on the cue ball after hitting the object ball. How is that different from having a forced follow?
That very first shot you made. Why didn’t you hit the rail on the right had side so it would of hit the top rail and followed back to the bottom rail huh? Most of my pool playing is me not staying down after shooting. I get mad forgetting to follow through and staying down and on my shots. 🎱
I use this shot alot if I'm playing on an unlevel table and need to stop the ball on long shots where backspin would require a much harder hit to accomplish the same thing. You don't wanna hit a slow roller when the ball will drift to on side or the other so this assures accuracy with speed but doesn't require 9ft of backspin which can be difficult and it will exaggerate any slight cut angle and can leave the cue ball running away. Check it up on the rail and forget about it lol.
Yes, top spin and back spin invert themselves as long as the direction of travel does it too (ie. after full hitting the cushion), you can clearly see in the slow mo, what was a top spin became a back spin because the direction of travel of the cue ball is INVERTED
Cool now I learned new thing. I tried this before but the reaction of cue ball is different than yours. I know how to do this but you showed different way so I will try this later. You are lucky you did this in a clean table I did mine on a dirty table. Let me see if I can exactly do how you did it. It was tough for me when I was doing this on the dirty table.
@@G35Jeff You are wrong because the table I was playing is exceptionaly dirty a lot of powder that sip in the cloth. Playing on a clean table is not an argument.
Great asian is correct. Its obvious youre not used to playing on different environments. First thing i thought while watching this video was yeah these shots will work if you have clean simonis, ClEAN balls, and a clean polished cue ball. If you goto a bar or pub with dirty old balls and felt you will have to have the stroke of a GOD to be able to get these results and even then id put money against you.
@@MinusTheTbird He thought having the cloth grip the ball will make it easier. We do not like grip we need more roll and spin. I know what I am talking about. My real stroke does not come out because I am always playing on ugly tables. No need to say the difference or comparison to a beautiful table. Even good players will say no playing on an ugly table.
Whenever I try to do a powerful shot with much top spin the cue ball (and sometimes the object ball that I hit) just jump amd fly off the table. How to avoid that??
Sounds like your cue is elevated too much. Whenever you hit the cueball very hard with your cue elevated you automatucally play a tiny jump shot. That causes the cueball and object ball to jump when contacting. You can See that phenomenon in my video about the "After Ball Jump". So try to put the cue as level as possible when doing this shot.
LOL! Holy Cow! I just got my ass whooped on the final game of a best of seven last night here in Manila with a filipino that played a perfect force follow to get on the 7 and then make the 8 ball. I thought I had this guy all messed up and was going to win and he pulled it off. It wasn't exactly like the eight ball scenario here, but it wasn't far off. He needed to make the 3 and then force follow to get my 11 off of his seven and be able to make the seven. Worked absolutely perfect for him. I will be heading down to the local hall to practice this shot a lot more. It's tough losing some cash to a guy that perfectly executed this shot. One of the issues I have is getting enough follow on the ball. I will have to really work on this.
@@unclequack5445 have never been hustled here. EVER. The guy just made a very good shot. Don't talk shit you know nothing about. I can spot a hustler here from 100 miles away. I am friends with many. Comprende?
It's obvious if i commented I know something, you going to tell me there's no pool hustlers in Manila at a Billiard establishment? please ....Perhaps you don't know as much as you think or you knew your opponent quite well.
@@unclequack5445 you are not the sharpest knife in the drawer! LMAO. I never said there were not hustlers here. I said I can spot them. And by the way, I play with them on a regular basis. My fiance's brother is one of them. The point of my original comment, since you are not smart enough to figure it out, is that the guy I was playing executed a FF shot perfectly. Very close to what was described in this video. It had nothing to do with him hustling me. LOL. We were were not even betting money. For God's sake some of you people are stupid.
@@jamesdavis8731 Critics reserve the most criticism for themselves. If it makes you feel empowered to call others stupid go right ahead, Tear others down to build yourself up , Right I get it. BTW , whats your high run in 14.1 ? I bet mines higher.
I always try to get a force follow when the ball is away from the rail but instead i get a stop shot when I hit it hard. The only follow I get is when I hit it soft with a light grip.
Then you are not hitting high enough on the cueball. You may aim high but don't hit the desired spot when hitting hard. Try it with the Jim Rempe training ball.
I use it from time to time while playing snooker but I don't like it. Yes it looks good but it's not a very controlled shot and that's why I only use it when the object ball is hanging over the pocket. I personally favor a stun shot.
Euh... that's just top spin. I guess even the most basic skills in snooker appear mysterious in pool. Simple: don't apply top spin if you don't want the cue ball spin forward. Duh?
Euh... I could go to a beginner video for Snooker players here on TH-cam and brag about how using side spin appears mysterious in Snooker... but I'm not the kind of person who has to do things like that.
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in snooker, I've bee amazed by some force follow shots played by jimmy white, steven lee and neil robertson, especially the famous sudden stop shot by jimmy. it took me a long time to figure out what happened there and your lession is the best illustration on them. cheers for u
Look up a recent Judd trump forced follow on the green. Its insane.
@@arpitpatel83 its exactly what i wanted tobcomment! Judds shot is the most beautiful one ive seen!
I have done this shot many times but never on purpose! Always wondered why the cue ball reacted the way it did now I know! Thanks Sharivari!!!
Saw this shot for the first time years ago. When a friend hit a hanger hard and the cue ball hit the same cushion twice. Neither of us knew what was going on so we spent a few racks recreating it.
Probably the first cool shot I learnt.
I use the term force follow in this case to express a follow shot where the cueball bounces of the rail and then the follow grabs. But you can also use the term for a hard follow shot, where the cueball takes a while till it leaves the tangent line. Enjoy your lesson guys!
This is one of the “Cue Tips” by Buddy Hall….👍 but only now it’s clear! Now I’ve understood how it’s work !! Thanks a lot !!👍👋
Past few days I have been using right follow on almost every shot. To my astonishment it has proven extremely effective.
Great lessons. Found them today. Shared some with our Ladies Pool Network in Nova Scotia!
Thank you Melanie :)
It took me a while to learn how to not accidentally create force follow, I can kind of use it on purpose now but super hard to control (like he said). I dont think I have ever used it in league or a tournament.
Thank for another pool lesson sir idol god bless greetings coming from your number one fans in the Philippines
finally, someone actually did a video on this.
cheers!
sharivari your really a good teacher
Yea, this is a beautiful shot. I won 9 ball with it once. The 9 was jawed in the corner and the object ball about a diamond up the long rail. The cue was nearly one diamond from the end rail toward the center of the table almost directly across from the object ball. A force follow into the object ball sent the cue ball into the corner potting the 9 and winning the game. High English with a bit of left to assist it toward the corner pocket and just enough of a full hit to miss the double kiss. Saw that shot in Byrnes book and, low and behold, it appeared on the table during that match. Not as pretty as either example in the video, but still a great tool when available. And, of course, for some show and a quick win. :)
By the way, I am quickly becoming a fan of your videos. Very good stuff, beginning with "your playing this shot wrong." I've tried to share your tangent line info with others, but they aren't buying it. LOL So, I demonstrate it, but they still insist on stop, draw or rail first. Great sensible stuff using the natural action of the cue ball.
I’m just a beginner but I’ve noticed the amount of stubbornness in the sport of pool is unbelievably high, specially when players are given new information that may or may not r may not be better than their usual strategies
This is an awesome lesson. THANKS!!
these shots look so cool.
My mentor D Black taught me how to use extreme high English back in 1964... I never heard the term of "force follow" until recently.
Thanks. A big thumbs up.
I just learned that I don't understand physics nor kinetic energy. :) Thanks for the video. Explains a lot.
Great lesson! Thank you.
I like to use this shot when playing at my college. I tend to be a bit of show off there. I probably wouldn't do it in an important match though. Don't have the cue ball control yet.
Excellent video!
!st,I love your videos. I don't know if you can but I would like you to place a video camera above the shot so we can get a different perspective of the shot that you are explaining. I hope you can! Keep up the good work. thx "the wizard"
Unfortunately I can't. But my dream would be to have my own "studio" with a nice pool table and cameras everywhere, so I could produce high quality lessons with live commentating on the table. Currently I am playing and recording in a big pool hall, where that isn't possible.
this is awesome. i'll practice this.
new here...great lessons thanks!!! 🎱🐛🎱🐛🎱🐛
In order to execute this shot, you need a nice clean table. Or else you will need to force it which in return affects your stroke.
And really slick cloth
on pocket hangers i hit the rail first,that brings the cueball around,i do it that way because sometimes i feel i might follow cueball in n scratch
Really liked this video!!
Hi Sharivari, I have a quick question on the stun shot. In the example that you have given on how to play the shot to avoid the cue ball being stuck to the rail, you mentioned to aim in the center with slight outside english but the cue ball moved in its natural rotation which means there was forward spin on the cue ball after hitting the object ball. How is that different from having a forced follow?
That very first shot you made. Why didn’t you hit the rail on the right had side so it would of hit the top rail and followed back to the bottom rail huh? Most of my pool playing is me not staying down after shooting. I get mad forgetting to follow through and staying down and on my shots. 🎱
loving the practice videos keep up the good work 🌱lol
I’m from Philippines 🇵🇭
brilliant video.
I use this shot alot if I'm playing on an unlevel table and need to stop the ball on long shots where backspin would require a much harder hit to accomplish the same thing. You don't wanna hit a slow roller when the ball will drift to on side or the other so this assures accuracy with speed but doesn't require 9ft of backspin which can be difficult and it will exaggerate any slight cut angle and can leave the cue ball running away. Check it up on the rail and forget about it lol.
Rule number 1: always ask yourself..."what would Efren do?" 😉
And then do something else, because you can't do what Efren does.
You cant even figure out what Efren would do.
Very good video.
Great Video 👌
That's a new one for me thanks
Force follow also depends on the felt and cue ball your using most bar tables shots like this just wont work
bobsjess 100% agree. A bar table can’t catch that much spin....
100% correct
Has backspin a similar effect, meaning the cue ball will travel further away from the cushion?
Yes, top spin and back spin invert themselves as long as the direction of travel does it too (ie. after full hitting the cushion), you can clearly see in the slow mo, what was a top spin became a back spin because the direction of travel of the cue ball is INVERTED
Cool now I learned new thing. I tried this before but the reaction of cue ball is different than yours. I know how to do this but you showed different way so I will try this later. You are lucky you did this in a clean table I did mine on a dirty table. Let me see if I can exactly do how you did it. It was tough for me when I was doing this on the dirty table.
Great Asian it should be even easier for you on a dirty table. A dirty table will grab the ball more. A clean table spins and slides more.
@@G35Jeff
You are wrong because the table I was playing is exceptionaly dirty a lot of powder that sip in the cloth. Playing on a clean table is not an argument.
@@G35Jeff
Easier to make spins masse or any kind of spin you want to do to the ball playing on a clean table.
Great asian is correct. Its obvious youre not used to playing on different environments. First thing i thought while watching this video was yeah these shots will work if you have clean simonis, ClEAN balls, and a clean polished cue ball. If you goto a bar or pub with dirty old balls and felt you will have to have the stroke of a GOD to be able to get these results and even then id put money against you.
@@MinusTheTbird
He thought having the cloth grip the ball will make it easier. We do not like grip we need more roll and spin. I know what I am talking about. My real stroke does not come out because I am always playing on ugly tables. No need to say the difference or comparison to a beautiful table. Even good players will say no playing on an ugly table.
Nice videos. Thanks.
Just so you know, your videos get me accused of sandbagging lol
Hahaha
Whenever I try to do a powerful shot with much top spin the cue ball (and sometimes the object ball that I hit) just jump amd fly off the table. How to avoid that??
Sounds like your cue is elevated too much. Whenever you hit the cueball very hard with your cue elevated you automatucally play a tiny jump shot. That causes the cueball and object ball to jump when contacting. You can See that phenomenon in my video about the "After Ball Jump".
So try to put the cue as level as possible when doing this shot.
Kudos!
Can this shot be played on speed felt?
How do you prevent the ball from hitting the rail and jumping either off the table or back on to the table?
By not hitting the cueball into the table. If you hit it leveled to the table the cueball will not jump.
thanks for the video. keep it coming please. =]
Can use this to make 2 balls if both are in the bottom corners go corner to corner only had it set up once in a game more of a trick shot
There is another very easy way to make two balls into the same pocket. Just check out my latest video :)
th-cam.com/video/eAC2LVcw25c/w-d-xo.html
LOL! Holy Cow! I just got my ass whooped on the final game of a best of seven last night here in Manila with a filipino that played a perfect force follow to get on the 7 and then make the 8 ball. I thought I had this guy all messed up and was going to win and he pulled it off. It wasn't exactly like the eight ball scenario here, but it wasn't far off.
He needed to make the 3 and then force follow to get my 11 off of his seven and be able to make the seven. Worked absolutely perfect for him. I will be heading down to the local hall to practice this shot a lot more. It's tough losing some cash to a guy that perfectly executed this shot. One of the issues I have is getting enough follow on the ball. I will have to really work on this.
Sir, If you were in Manila playing pool, your opponent did'nt get lucky you got hustled .
@@unclequack5445 have never been hustled here. EVER. The guy just made a very good shot. Don't talk shit you know nothing about. I can spot a hustler here from 100 miles away. I am friends with many. Comprende?
It's obvious if i commented I know something, you going to tell me there's no pool hustlers in Manila at a Billiard establishment? please ....Perhaps you don't know as much as you think or you knew your opponent quite well.
@@unclequack5445 you are not the sharpest knife in the drawer! LMAO. I never said there were not hustlers here. I said I can spot them. And by the way, I play with them on a regular basis. My fiance's brother is one of them. The point of my original comment, since you are not smart enough to figure it out, is that the guy I was playing executed a FF shot perfectly. Very close to what was described in this video.
It had nothing to do with him hustling me. LOL. We were were not even betting money. For God's sake some of you people are stupid.
@@jamesdavis8731 Critics reserve the most criticism for themselves. If it makes you feel empowered to call others stupid go right ahead, Tear others down to build yourself up , Right I get it. BTW , whats your high run in 14.1 ? I bet mines higher.
Better rename these video series to *DECODING THE MAGIC OF EFREN REYES😆*
I always try to get a force follow when the ball is away from the rail but instead i get a stop shot when I hit it hard. The only follow I get is when I hit it soft with a light grip.
Then you are not hitting high enough on the cueball. You may aim high but don't hit the desired spot when hitting hard. Try it with the Jim Rempe training ball.
Nice thx
Why would you *ever* put top on that in the first place?
Any reason why you’re putting force follow and right spin on the thumbnail image? Shouldn’t it be left spin?
That are just the dots of the cueball. Has no meaning.
We need some good drill videos
Imagine Efren Reyes use to do this in tournament without seeing this video... science explained the game thou
do i have to snap my wrist for an effective follow shot or just my forearm movement will suffice?
Your forearm movement is enough to perform this shot.
I use it from time to time while playing snooker but I don't like it. Yes it looks good but it's not a very controlled shot and that's why I only use it when the object ball is hanging over the pocket. I personally favor a stun shot.
friction is magic
Oh now I understand
Known this shot, but haven't used it in a game
I'm new to your channel, I love your videos man ♥️ please pick me winner of a cue stick I don't have my own 😅❤️😍
👍👍👍👍👍
i always call it banana shot
Here in phil. We call it "SputNik" 😎
sputnik indeed.
I've done this shot by accident many times before knowing why I screwed up my plan. I can finally use it now knowing what to call it.
Ha, I'm always using this shot. So sexy.
jimmy white stop shot
that is called "sputnik" in the Philippines
hahaha i like that
Euh... that's just top spin. I guess even the most basic skills in snooker appear mysterious in pool. Simple: don't apply top spin if you don't want the cue ball spin forward. Duh?
Euh... I could go to a beginner video for Snooker players here on TH-cam and brag about how using side spin appears mysterious in Snooker... but I'm not the kind of person who has to do things like that.
Who the fuck dislikes this?
Yh(hh
Your using efren reyes name you have to pay him and thats the law
Super easy for snooker player. Lol