I doubt that - it's totally different being a hot V. New from the ground up. The hot V is what gives a flatter torque figure across the range, as the turbos are staged and not a turbo per bank on the outside.
You can turn it off, or make it less sensitive…press the LDA button then Right button until you see the LDA logo on LCD. (Either turn off or reduce sensitivity)
At the end of the day, we are stuck with the 300 series, it doesn’t matter who thinks the 200 is better. My personal experience is the 1VD is a dog, I lament the demise of the 1HD-FTE which is a far better ‘bush’ engine than the V8. The best thing about the 200 is there are infinite upgrades for it (which it needs) that were developed over 14 years of service. I’d like a 200 but I’m not paying A GR sport price for a late model, low kilometre GXL 200…
DMW Yeah Ruben the U turn assist is good for circle work (full lock) at high RPM on loose surface. C'mon you haven't tried a little circle work fully charged in front of ya mad mates in the bush? Now that bloody just un'sustralian if you don't !!!
I think the bean counters have had too much input to this new LC...they should get more people that bulit the yaris GR and LFA where it was bulit right
Wow would be very interested in what Toyota has to say about those interior quality issues - that really is unforgivable especially with the premium that they charge. My 6 year old LR Discovery 4 has no rattles (seriously) and from all the Toyota hype I assumed that was a low benchmark. I commented on your previous post about the handling of the 300 which I drove twice in urban environments and they did not have KDDS, I have always hated the 200 series handling but it was always without KDDS so maybe that is the key ingredient. I have a deposit on the 300 VX BTW so this is not a LR vs Toyota inspired comment. Agree entirely re the payload comment very disappointing. The LR 4 is over 800kgs standard.
Another disappointment for me is wheelbase is the same at 2850, and the 'real' rear overhang (the distance from centreline of axle to the centreline of the tow pin on the tongue - not where the plastic finishes) - will present the same problems of amplification of tow ball mass on the rear axle. Very average, Toyota, should be much shorter - like Landrover have done with Defender!. I quote "The front overhang is 920mm for the four carryover model grades, 935mm for the GR Sport and 945mm for the Sahara ZX. Rear overhang is 1210mm for all models bar the Sahara ZX at 1220mm". Yes it's 100mm or so less than 200 (good) - but gone no where near far enough, IMHO
I am still of the view that, aside from the powertrain & Transmission- (where the 300 beats the 200 hands-down), the 200 series is a better vehicle overall.
I have to comment, I had a 200 series for four years and loved it especially the engine. Ive had a 300 series since Jan and love it even more. Rueben I really enjoy watching you mate but it seemed to be a really emotive review. The 300 series engine is a weapon, ok not as powerful as my mapped 4.5 diesel in the 200 but we haven't even seen what the tuners can do to the 3.3 yet. I'm in NZ and maybe we have different spec's than Aus but my 300 has the new version of KDSS and it handles much better than the 200, tows my 3.5t boat better. Much better off road in the little I've done than my 200 series. I just don't get your review based on my experience so far. Apart form the single piece tail gate I can't think of one thing I miss on the 200.
Hi Simon, Thanks for your feed back. We must have different spec vehicles. The Sahara ZX does not have KDSS here in Australia. Is your vehicle a Sahara ZX? As most people would be aware I have purchased all the vehicles I have reviewed so far. This particular vehicle has seats that rattle, glove box that rattles ect. It hasn't been the experience I was hoping for from Toyota so far. For a vehicle that has had so much hype surrounding it, I'm disappointed. We have a 4wding video to put out shortly and this one has plenty of positive in it though. Cheers
@rueben I live on a farm and have driven dirt roads on a daily basis since owning my 200 series VX since new (2017). The seats in the middle and headrests have always rattled badly. Has done so since new and drives me nuts…
@@reubendolphin9984 So over here we have slightly different specs I'm guessing, my model is a VX limited, I thought that was the same as your Sahara VX but maybe not. I don't have any rattles and our roads aren't too flash. Mate I loved the 4.5 but this engine is a peach. It tows my boat really well, yeh I love it. I mapped my 200 engine so I'll do the same with the 3.3 but it runs pretty well as is. Maybe you got a mickey. I see a lot of comments with people so set on a V8, rubbishing the 3.3 but the engine is a ripper. Like I say I loved my 4.5 V8 but it aint as good as the 3.3. Mate I love watching you on the different channels. You look like a good bloke to share a beer with. Keep pumping the vids out.
Another fantastic video Reuben, top stuff. I certainly agree that Toyota has absolutely nailed some things in the 300, though at the same time, they have focused too much on weight saving which has made the 300 a bit "softer" in areas. If Toyota are listening to you, they will be able to make some improvements in future updates, such as beefier, more sturdy seats that don't rattle. When you're paying big money, weight saving and less quality over all is certainly not a good thing. On the mechanical/technical side, some things will be easier to improve than others. Hopefully they bring back the KDSS (even as an option at least) from the VX model upwards. In terms of making some things marginally smaller/lighter etc, such as the chassis, diff, light weight panels and the setup change to the rear suspension and so on, these are all things that contribute to more sway/vibrations on rougher or twisty roads. When people are paying big money, they want absolute top shelf quality and that Toyota toughness and reliability that has created the brand quality in years gone by. Toyota toughness and reliability has always been a key differentiator and certainly something people have been happy to pay extra for. Some of these light weight decisions has not done any favours for the big 300 and the Toyota brand in general. Toyota need to have a long hard think in order to bring the weaker areas of the 300 up to a level where they need to be. With everything they have learnt from the 200 and 300 so far, they have every opportunity to bring back some factory improvements, including the two piece tail gate (at least as an option). On a technical front, can the KDSS be fitted after market? I love your work Reuben and I'm looking forward to following your journey with the big 300.
DMW Ruben it's nothing that the aftermarket can't sort out and modify as per usual, remember they are increasingly designed for the "Toorak Tractor" market especially that ZX model.
Rubin it's chassis is similar to the chassis of the Prado in regards to the way that the rear end is setup with the shock's on the outside of the rails with inboard coils and a small sway bar.
The lane departure I'm hoping works like my lexus nx300 where it drives itself on the freeway, the corrolla also does that, so I'm really hoping its electronic steering.
Range rover isnt comparable with toyota lc300 zx. The more comparable would be lexus lx. In my opinion,the lexus lx is a better buy than the lc but if you have the lc you will not be disappointed. There just a tnk feeling in it. The new lc is intended to be driven a s a sedan,lit feels sedan like and not an off-road vehicle(this is only applicable to sahara zx.)
The seat rattle is made worse with low profile tyres and high tyre pressure. Have had it on several cruisers and it is annoying but can be sorted. I am sure the kdss will be offered on the other models soon, maybe as an update in a few months/yeara
Thank you. :) I think some will believe it is a better vehicle while others may still enjoy the previous models. First models normally take some time to adjust to. Similar to when the 200 came out I guess.
Just (one day old) got delivery of my wife's C-HR - she thought it was pulling to the right while she was driving and that the car was beeping and telling her to obey the traffic directions - (can anyone say too close to the white line and speeding??? :)) the Lane departure is annoying - i've turned down the volume but as yet not worked out if i can turn it off fully for her.
Surprised you didn't mention the single piece boot. I've seen alot of guys slamming it as you can't open it if you've got a boat or some types of caravan hooked up. Your thoughts?
Hi Reuben, just wondering if the functionality of the Active Variable Suspension (AVS) in the Sahara VX and the GR sport will be retained when a GVM upgrade is done?
Hi Aaron, AVS has been removed as the factory AVS shocks are not suitable and there are no aftermarket AVS compatible shocks available for use with the GVM upgrade
@@dirtymuddyweekends I thought that might be the case, bit of a shame when you pay the extra $$ to get that feature only to lose it to get a respectable payload. Do you know if anyone is developing a suitable AVS shock for a GVM upgrade?
Hi Kathleen, we are now offering GVM upgrade for the 300 series up to 4499KG. Please visit this link to know more - dmwindustries.com.au/products/landcruiser-300 or call DMW office to discuss your build. :) Thank you!
@@ausguy4385 car was bog standard ..model below the Sahara..mate's car we borrowed for a week. He's since got it remapped and spent 20k sorting suspension ,n gvm issues out. Wife hated the car ..basic interior.. crap stereo. . loaty ride . Rubbish seats etc she said.. but mate loves it to bits. Still has it..n won't buy a 300 for any money.
Well to be honest i own the two the seat is a real disappointment and should be recalled, i compare the two in a daily basis well the cut cost in the wrong stuff
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Another amazing review, the way you explain feels like we testing the car ourselves
Thank you! 👍
Hey Reuben,
You are correct. They literally chopped 2 cylinders off. Didn’t have to change much tooling and machining to do it. Cheers mate
I doubt that - it's totally different being a hot V. New from the ground up. The hot V is what gives a flatter torque figure across the range, as the turbos are staged and not a turbo per bank on the outside.
By far the best review I’ve watched on the 300 so far!
100% agree
Thanks cjreven! We appreciate the feedback.
Cheers Hokko.
My 2021 hilux has lane keep and I only had to turn it off once. It never came back on thank goodness!
Chop chop with body chop, Reuben!
You can turn it off, or make it less sensitive…press the LDA button then Right button until you see the LDA logo on LCD. (Either turn off or reduce sensitivity)
Thanks for the info, @StreamlinedSlacker .
The vibration of those rear seats! 😳
Awesome review buddy. Honest and clearly explained in such a way that we can all relate to! Just discovered your Chanel and ‘I’m in!’ 👍 Chris
Thank you, Chris! We appreciate that. Glad you enjoyed watching. 👍
Welcome to ARB
one of the best yet review !!!!
Enough talk about that rattling rough Toyota, where’s that sweet chopped 62 🤔🤣🤣
At the end of the day, we are stuck with the 300 series, it doesn’t matter who thinks the 200 is better. My personal experience is the 1VD is a dog, I lament the demise of the 1HD-FTE which is a far better ‘bush’ engine than the V8. The best thing about the 200 is there are infinite upgrades for it (which it needs) that were developed over 14 years of service. I’d like a 200 but I’m not paying A GR sport price for a late model, low kilometre GXL 200…
G'day Tim. All good points you mention there. Thank you for watching. cheers
DMW Yeah Ruben the U turn assist is good for circle work (full lock) at high RPM on loose surface. C'mon you haven't tried a little circle work fully charged in front of ya mad mates in the bush? Now that bloody just un'sustralian if you don't !!!
hahaha Cheers Dave.
I think the bean counters have had too much input to this new LC...they should get more people that bulit the yaris GR and LFA where it was bulit right
Wow would be very interested in what Toyota has to say about those interior quality issues - that really is unforgivable especially with the premium that they charge. My 6 year old LR Discovery 4 has no rattles (seriously) and from all the Toyota hype I assumed that was a low benchmark. I commented on your previous post about the handling of the 300 which I drove twice in urban environments and they did not have KDDS, I have always hated the 200 series handling but it was always without KDDS so maybe that is the key ingredient. I have a deposit on the 300 VX BTW so this is not a LR vs Toyota inspired comment. Agree entirely re the payload comment very disappointing. The LR 4 is over 800kgs standard.
All good Bruce. Thanks for taking the time to watch and share your thoughts. :)
Another disappointment for me is wheelbase is the same at 2850, and the 'real' rear overhang (the distance from centreline of axle to the centreline of the tow pin on the tongue - not where the plastic finishes) - will present the same problems of amplification of tow ball mass on the rear axle. Very average, Toyota, should be much shorter - like Landrover have done with Defender!. I quote "The front overhang is 920mm for the four carryover model grades, 935mm for the GR Sport and 945mm for the Sahara ZX. Rear overhang is 1210mm for all models bar the Sahara ZX at 1220mm". Yes it's 100mm or so less than 200 (good) - but gone no where near far enough, IMHO
I am still of the view that, aside from the powertrain & Transmission- (where the 300 beats the 200 hands-down), the 200 series is a better vehicle overall.
The 200 is an excellent vehicle. No doubt about it.
The seats in my 200 rattle worse than that. 13 years old though. Still drives me batty. Good review. thx
There’s nothing more technically specific in sentence then the ol “click clack” feature. I fucking lost it in tears when he said that 😂😂😂
well done Reuben, chop it, then weight it test it etc... i might get one, chopped.
Cheers Rolly. Stay tuned ;)
I have to comment, I had a 200 series for four years and loved it especially the engine. Ive had a 300 series since Jan and love it even more. Rueben I really enjoy watching you mate but it seemed to be a really emotive review. The 300 series engine is a weapon, ok not as powerful as my mapped 4.5 diesel in the 200 but we haven't even seen what the tuners can do to the 3.3 yet. I'm in NZ and maybe we have different spec's than Aus but my 300 has the new version of KDSS and it handles much better than the 200, tows my 3.5t boat better. Much better off road in the little I've done than my 200 series. I just don't get your review based on my experience so far. Apart form the single piece tail gate I can't think of one thing I miss on the 200.
Hi Simon, Thanks for your feed back. We must have different spec vehicles. The Sahara ZX does not have KDSS here in Australia. Is your vehicle a Sahara ZX? As most people would be aware I have purchased all the vehicles I have reviewed so far. This particular vehicle has seats that rattle, glove box that rattles ect. It hasn't been the experience I was hoping for from Toyota so far. For a vehicle that has had so much hype surrounding it, I'm disappointed. We have a 4wding video to put out shortly and this one has plenty of positive in it though. Cheers
@rueben I live on a farm and have driven dirt roads on a daily basis since owning my 200 series VX since new (2017). The seats in the middle and headrests have always rattled badly. Has done so since new and drives me nuts…
@@reubendolphin9984 So over here we have slightly different specs I'm guessing, my model is a VX limited, I thought that was the same as your Sahara VX but maybe not. I don't have any rattles and our roads aren't too flash. Mate I loved the 4.5 but this engine is a peach. It tows my boat really well, yeh I love it. I mapped my 200 engine so I'll do the same with the 3.3 but it runs pretty well as is. Maybe you got a mickey. I see a lot of comments with people so set on a V8, rubbishing the 3.3 but the engine is a ripper. Like I say I loved my 4.5 V8 but it aint as good as the 3.3. Mate I love watching you on the different channels. You look like a good bloke to share a beer with. Keep pumping the vids out.
Maybe roof load? Disappointed that the payload is still average....
Another fantastic video Reuben, top stuff. I certainly agree that Toyota has absolutely nailed some things in the 300, though at the same time, they have focused too much on weight saving which has made the 300 a bit "softer" in areas. If Toyota are listening to you, they will be able to make some improvements in future updates, such as beefier, more sturdy seats that don't rattle. When you're paying big money, weight saving and less quality over all is certainly not a good thing. On the mechanical/technical side, some things will be easier to improve than others. Hopefully they bring back the KDSS (even as an option at least) from the VX model upwards. In terms of making some things marginally smaller/lighter etc, such as the chassis, diff, light weight panels and the setup change to the rear suspension and so on, these are all things that contribute to more sway/vibrations on rougher or twisty roads. When people are paying big money, they want absolute top shelf quality and that Toyota toughness and reliability that has created the brand quality in years gone by. Toyota toughness and reliability has always been a key differentiator and certainly something people have been happy to pay extra for. Some of these light weight decisions has not done any favours for the big 300 and the Toyota brand in general. Toyota need to have a long hard think in order to bring the weaker areas of the 300 up to a level where they need to be. With everything they have learnt from the 200 and 300 so far, they have every opportunity to bring back some factory improvements, including the two piece tail gate (at least as an option). On a technical front, can the KDSS be fitted after market? I love your work Reuben and I'm looking forward to following your journey with the big 300.
You’ll get the two piece tail gate back when Toyota fixes the wheel track on the 70 series (ie never) 😆
Cheers for watching Jordan.
DMW Ruben it's nothing that the aftermarket can't sort out and modify as per usual, remember they are increasingly designed for the "Toorak Tractor" market especially that ZX model.
agreed. It is like that with ALOT of 4wd's. Particularly the 79's !!!!!
Not wrong Dave. Cheers
Rubin it's chassis is similar to the chassis of the Prado in regards to the way that the rear end is setup with the shock's on the outside of the rails with inboard coils and a small sway bar.
The lane departure I'm hoping works like my lexus nx300 where it drives itself on the freeway, the corrolla also does that, so I'm really hoping its electronic steering.
The Discovery 3 had a terrain response feature in 2004.
Exactly what I am thinking..and my 2015 D4 still has more features than a 300s. Oh what a feeling..ripped off. Again!
Toyota said they benchmarked the 300 against Range Rover for road noise. If it's got more road noise than the 200 then that is a huge fail for Toyota.
Range rover isnt comparable with toyota lc300 zx. The more comparable would be lexus lx. In my opinion,the lexus lx is a better buy than the lc but if you have the lc you will not be disappointed. There just a tnk feeling in it. The new lc is intended to be driven a s a sedan,lit feels sedan like and not an off-road vehicle(this is only applicable to sahara zx.)
The seat rattle is made worse with low profile tyres and high tyre pressure. Have had it on several cruisers and it is annoying but can be sorted.
I am sure the kdss will be offered on the other models soon, maybe as an update in a few months/yeara
You May be right Chris. We have some wheels to go on, so we will report back :)
Not only a toyo issue, my 2017 Ranger wildtrak did it too
Go into the sittings on your dash and turn off that lane assist.
My lexus has that and never turns on unless I tell it too
Thank you! I will check it out. :)
Great review mate - feel like for a 150k you're paying for a great motor, drivetrain and a Toyota badge?
Thank you. :) I think some will believe it is a better vehicle while others may still enjoy the previous models. First models normally take some time to adjust to. Similar to when the 200 came out I guess.
@@dirtymuddyweekends no doubt, I'm sure with a bit of DMW razzle dazzle it will be case closed as epic anyway! 😁🤘
Your a great reviewer. So many others should hang there heads and leave the industry.
When are u going to do one on the y62 patrol and what u have done to it as well
I can see the seats moving
Realistically, how many people who can afford a 300 will take it off road?
Lots of people. There are $200k vehicles (200s/70s) out there doing off road. People don’t care about money like that anymore
Just (one day old) got delivery of my wife's C-HR - she thought it was pulling to the right while she was driving and that the car was beeping and telling her to obey the traffic directions - (can anyone say too close to the white line and speeding??? :)) the Lane departure is annoying - i've turned down the volume but as yet not worked out if i can turn it off fully for her.
Have a look at that middle seat shake!
Sh!t yes. Easy to see since you pointed it out Shakes about as bad as their bonnet wobbles
I'm still sold on 200 or the y62
Both are excellent cars Andy. Cheers for watching.
Mate you need to pair the 300 series 10speed gear box with the 200 series v8 engine
Surprised you didn't mention the single piece boot. I've seen alot of guys slamming it as you can't open it if you've got a boat or some types of caravan hooked up. Your thoughts?
I think this will be person dependant. No doubt the split tail gate is a preferred option though. Not everyone will find it an issue however.
Hi Reuben, just wondering if the functionality of the Active Variable Suspension (AVS) in the Sahara VX and the GR sport will be retained when a GVM upgrade is done?
Hi Aaron, AVS has been removed as the factory AVS shocks are not suitable and there are no aftermarket AVS compatible shocks available for use with the GVM upgrade
@@dirtymuddyweekends I thought that might be the case, bit of a shame when you pay the extra $$ to get that feature only to lose it to get a respectable payload. Do you know if anyone is developing a suitable AVS shock for a GVM upgrade?
Toyota should have got the Koreans to make it. The cars they make don’t rattle.
Do you know when you are able to get a gvm upgrade anything soon? March I heard?
Hi Kathleen, we are now offering GVM upgrade for the 300 series up to 4499KG. Please visit this link to know more - dmwindustries.com.au/products/landcruiser-300 or call DMW office to discuss your build. :) Thank you!
The rattling of seats don’t happen in my VX model
Will you get a Tundra Reuben?
Cool
That dash/stereo section is ugly as all shit. Thanks for the review ruben. 👍 nicely done.
Toyota same same spend 100k and she a good truck
My 2012 200 sits in gear and 6 no issue and locks up from 90kms. No lookup kit. Dont know what people are on about.
Must be a 35" tyre thing
Definetely hunts for gears
@@matribadeneira9766 what size tyres?
He's right..they hunt madly unless re mapped. Happened to us in Tas where the 200s only held 6th at 120kph..ie speeding.
@@ericjohnson6802 what size tyres?
Mine hold 6th no issue.
@@ausguy4385 car was bog standard ..model below the Sahara..mate's car we borrowed for a week. He's since got it remapped and spent 20k sorting suspension ,n gvm issues out. Wife hated the car ..basic interior.. crap stereo. . loaty ride . Rubbish seats etc she said.. but mate loves it to bits. Still has it..n won't buy a 300 for any money.
You substantially damage everything Reuben 😂
I dare you go build a 6x6 with that 300 of yours
Well to be honest i own the two the seat is a real disappointment and should be recalled, i compare the two in a daily basis well the cut cost in the wrong stuff
In conclusion
Overpriced overrated City slicker car
Dressed as a country Warrior legend, reliable go anywhere car.
LOL.
Waste of time saying this to Toyota fan boys..and it will win awards despite being inadequate in many ways.
What a very expensive disappointment. Keep your 200 series people, or better still buy a y62 Patrol and save a fortune
Not worth the money.
Please cut this car for overland
Stay tuned :)
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