Goldens’ No. 1 Cane Mill: Guide Knife Socket Repair
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ต.ค. 2020
- A repair to an early Goldens' No. 1 Cane Mill built in the late 1800's - repairing a broken socket casting that held the guide knife in place by brazing up the broken area.
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When he said, "His mother," I was starting to get concerned and I was very relieved when he said, "Golf cart."
nobody should ever use their mother as donkey....mother in laws however are fair game, minus the golf cart of course....
My mother can get 11 gallons an hour if she's got her good shoes on.
That machine is a testament to the skills of pattern makers and iron founders back in the day.
I've actually cast replacement knives for these mills
That does not surprise me one bit. LOL
I bet you have....
Windy Hill Foundry I watched that video, love your channel sir.
My grandparents grew sorgham in the Oklahoma panhandle and used a cane mill to start the process for sorgham molasses each year. That was the sweetener they had available.
In the low country of South Carolina, they grew sugar cane, the midlands and upstate grew sorghum. Most people mount those mills up on posts on a little platform. the height was determined so that the sweep going around didn't hit you in the head. My grandfather had my aunt drive the tractor in circles to pull the sweep. Sometimes he'd wait for a family reunion and have the kids run around and turn it. If you had a mill, neighbors would bring their cane to be milled and you would get a portion of the juice or some of the finished syrup as payment.
Grandpa had a shed with an 80 gallon cast iron half spherical syrup kettle that was bricked in a fire place, so that a fire at the entrance was pulled in around the kettle bottom and back on the other side to go up a chimney. As the juice boiled, they skimmed the scum and trash off the top with small hole colanders screwed to wooden poles. they would boil it until it reached the desired thickness. you stayed up all night tending the fire and skimming, and it usually took about 30 hours of continuous watching before collecting the finished product and putting it into mason jars.
Grandpa had a two roller mill and we had to run the cane through twice to get all the juice. the three roller mill was supposed to be an improvement over the two roller mill.
My grandpa had a wet spot in his field that was often a little boggy and that is where he grew his cane. He would dig a shallow pit at harvest time. Line it with the outer cane leaves and stack the cane inside, cover it with leaves and dirt until the weather got cooler. that's when he'd dig it up, run it through the mill and make syrup.
I have seen these in use with a horse, mule or donkey pulling it many times in Georgia . But the funniest I have ever witnessed was when a farmer tied his lawn mower to it. Go Snapper!
First time I've heard of or seen a Cane Mill, I love to see these old tools/machines broken down and repaired, great video!
We still have cane mills on the streets of Bangkok.
I call them mangles (as in washing), the operator crushes the cane as a sweet juice for passers by.
Very simple and lightweight.
Yours is very heavy duty !
Love it !
Love these videos !
i love that juice...
Same here in Costa Rica, similar idea but a lot lighter, like mounted a tricycle cart and hand crank operated. My guess is that the light weight machines still leave a lot of juice in the cane though because they aren't squeezing it as tight.
I enjoyed a similar drink, caldo de cana, when I lived in Brasil - crushed sugar cane, crushed pineapple juice, and crushed lemon juice - all freshly run through the same cane mill. Sold from small push carts or from the back of pickup trucks alongside of the road. Just as I was leaving, there was a ban on the drink due to an outbreak of Chargas disease attributed to the unsanitary condition and lack of sterilization of the cane Fantastic refreshment!
I think it's about time you exported some to Durban, I wanna try that juice.
Same all over India
I really enjoy these type video's. It gives you an opportunity to teach about our Southern heritage and allows you to help someone with a unique problem. Thanks so much.
You have the cutest little quality control staff. Shop cats are the best.
I know he has at least one dog too, I wonder how they get along. Probably like dogs & cats! LOL
Have you forgotten to drill out the broken bolt on the upper left side as u mentioned in the beginning?
In the end scene, it looks like there is no longer a broken off bolt in that hole. So he must have done that part off camera.
@@wuudturner You need glasses.
Sitting her yelling at the screen Fix The Bolt LOL. I am sure he did it but still LOL
@@ElmerJFudd-oi9kj I might. But the spot where the bolt was broken looks different than it did in the beginning. You can think whatever you want to think, and it does not bother me.
@@ypop417 It should have been a simple matter to weld a nut or something else to the end of the broken bolt and back it out. I would have liked to see it though.
On a stop by the local junkyard in the early 1970's. There were several cane mills that looked like that in newly stacked piles of junk as high as my head. It was a bittersweet experience seeing machinery I knew mostly from my grandfather's stories on its way to being melted down.
What about the broken bolt repair for the feed? I am sure you repaired it off camera.
i was going to ax that ? too.
I had the same question.
Hopefully all of curious folks will get an answer from Keith soon.
Yes, I was screming, “You forgot to extract the broken bolt!” too.
Me too.
We got an american rotary converter 8 years ago for a mill and lathe. Always works great. Great company to work with on installation and MADE IN AMERICA
Glad to see you back to working on machinery, Keith!
It amazes me how many of these old machines are still in use today.
I actually just repaired a 100+ year old cane mill for a customer at our shop :)
they literally don't build them like they used to... quality machines and tools from that era are built to last and designed in such a way they can almost always be fixed. As for still using something that old: it still does the job it was designed to do, so why change it? especially for just private use. love to see this kind of stuff.
Please, please - a few seconds of video of the golf cart drive!!!!
It's good to be a country boy. Nice video
My neighbor and several others in my area here in South Central Texas do the sorghum molasses every year. Good stuff.
Here in Germany farmers do the same with sugar beets (sugar cane is not grown in northern Europe and all of our sugar comes from beets). The beets get chopped up and cooked, then strained to make a thick, brown syrup that we put on bread or use in cooking.
Awesome repair .. so cool to see old machienery like this still in daily use!!! :)
Good to know that there are still is a Cain mill repair man around
Hi Keith,
I really like how you have such a variety of projects... there is always something to learn watching your videos... Thank you.
Take care
Paul,,
Seen one of these running with a mule. The fire, the syrup at the end. Awesome. Almost had a smokey flavor. Great job on the repair.
I am a fan of the rosebud. I like the way it heats up stuff. Also could be a Citizen Kane movie reminder. Way up north the go to sap to boil down for syrup is from the maple tree.
Had a neighbor who for years in the fall would grind cane and make syrup. He used mule power up until his mule's health failed and the mule retired (really he did) to pasture. We bought syrup from him every fall. They would boil the juice all night and watched it so it wouldn't burn. The killed hogs in the fall too. But that is another story...
As you were describing the mule pulling the mill and your friend didn't have a mule so he got his mother...... before you finished the sentence the picture of his poor mother tied to that pole flashed through my mind.
Just picked up a acetylene welding/cutting set today looking forward learning to do brazing .
That reminds me of an older welding shop/machinist in our neighborhood as I was growing up. I have watched him build up cogs on old machinery and tractors using the same technique. Thanks for sharing.
Nice touch with the square headed screws, great videos Keith
Great job Keith!
Thank you, Keith. Really enjoyed seeing the innards of the cane mill. This California boy doesn't have the chance to see them up close and personal but your video brought back a wonderful memory from 15 years +/- ago when a family vacation in Hawaii gave us the chance to see a roadside cane mill in action and drink some freshly squeezed cane juice. It was very refreshing.
My favorite of your vids, so far..
Very interesting. I would love to see it in action!
A very seasonal video.
Thank you Keith
Beautiful job sir
Well Done Kitties Keep Him In Line
I've been subscribed for a long time. I'm a historic railroad fan. I loved to watch you repair things for the old steam engine at the other place you work at where there is a steam engine that runs in the background. I also love to see old machinery and tools restored and brought back to life.
Very interesting video, Keith! I really enjoyed you talking about this unique piece of history.
I think that was a proper and fitting repair,I enjoy your videos thank you for your efforts they are much appreciated.
Very nicely done! Thanks Keith!
THANK YOU...for sharing. Watched and as always enjoyed.
That base is a very nice bit of foundry work, isn’t it?
There is a scene of one in Hoosiers if a I remember correctly. Also there is one shown in Sergeant York.
2:00 "To power it, instead of a mule, he has his mother get on a golf cart an drive around it in circles."
Now, there's an image that will be with me for the rest of the day.
Keith, when you started your machine story/explanation I was thing about what you had to do, to fix it. Then it hit me I was thinking it Englisch terms, while I’m Dutch. Fun is that for many terms I know now the Englisch names, not the Dutch translation 🤪
as a Dutchman i concur, but then again English has a huge vocabulary. Though it is occasionally problematic when asking/looking for a specific tool in our machineshop if I only know the english word or function.
@@clubdjmarcus I would bet that if it is an older hand-operated tool, there is probably an English word for it that is almost identical the Dutch, and has simply fallen out of common use, so nobody remembers it.
I've been watching TH-cam videos by train, tram, and bus drivers in the Netherlands, and I'm amazed by how many signs I can understand or almost understand. A lot of the language is very similar to Middle English.
More great viewing! One is unable to guess what might turn up next! Just have to keep watching out for notifications!
We used to have a sorghum mill like that back in central Wisconsin. They had modified it with gears and a pully on the top to run on a belt from a tractor. Too cold for sugar cane, but they grew a lot of sorghum, and the farmer that had the mill did the grinding for farmers for miles around.
Good Video
You and Keith Fenner need to have a brazing smackdown match. You are both zen masters of the craft.
I’ve still got the massive cast iron kettle, or cauldron to some, we had the cane grinder too but my dad sold it to a collector 25 yrs ago. I remember we used to use the kettle to boil mash for the hogs then use it to scald them to butcher.
i saw one of those when i was younger but didnt know what it was, now i know.
Even the corner posts on that machine have some "style" cast into them. From a time when "style" was in style.
Thanks Keith, Very interesting, Being from N. Eastern Ontario in canada, i have never seen one of these.
I knew exactly what this machine was when I saw it at the beginning of the video. Growing up in Middle Georgia (Macon) in the early 1950's I saw them in action many times using a mule for power. We would cut short strips of sugar cane before it went in the mill to chew on for the sweet juice to drink, while we watched the mule walk around the circle do the work.
the part that drives the main gear looks like it has been broken and brazed at one time i have one that came of my cane mill that i don't use any more if the owner needs to replace it tell him to contact me
Interesting that the bearings were only in the area that pressure would be placed from the crusher spindles and not all the way around the spindles.
Sweet!
Keith, nice job, that top piece didn't look too heavy the way you lifted it around, but I suspect it was between 45-65 lbs. Save your back when lifting in wierd overhead positions, that gantry was close by. if you want to lift weights, do it in a normal position. They are cute.
My grandfather in LA (Lower Alabama) had a cane mill like that.
I would like to see mamma driving that golf cart in circles, now that would be a Sweet video...
My family has an old sorghum press too. Eastern Missouri. Would like to get it running too.
That should be a good repair.
Most important part of the video 17:15 Kittens!!!
Hi Keith you can see one in a movie I was watching made in 1941 called Sargent York staring Gary Copper and mule walking around it.
Keith, Nice job! though you had said you were going to remove a broken bolt and I didn’t see that it was removed at the end of the the video? Thanks for sharing your video.!.!.!.
Another interesting video.. Has there been any new updates to the stoker engine? I live close to Nashville and as a kid my mother use to take us to Centennial Park and I remember climbing on that engine.
i wonder if just using three allen bolts would provide a suitable stop instead of braze? just throwing that out for those who don't have or are less skilled with a brazing torch.
Could you have used some of that Babbitt pouring putty to make a sort of mold to save the grinding at the end or would the direct torch heat have been too much for it
Love to pouring a stainless steel copy of that one
Hiya Keith
Nice job Keith. What about the broken bolt
What would they used for a lubricant. Or are they using the liquid coming from cane. Any idea's
i with my uncle ran one of these by mule power in the 50's
I’ve got a picture in my head of his mom going round and round in her golf cart, lol. Let us know how long she has go around to get a batch run thru. 😎👍👏
Those rowdy southerners -- always raising cane!
Keith, did yall make some syrup at the museum a few years ago? Cool machine.
Keith did you forget about the broken bolt?
Ship the input chute bracket with the completed unit.
GREAT JOB, GREAT VIDEO, LET'S GO TO WORK...
What would be used to lubricate the gear train and bearings? Or just the cane juice?
Anybody catch the subtle shout out to Keith at Hand Tool Rescue ??
The screaming in my head is almost gone . While you had it apart drop the bottom plate, rollers and guides in the evaporust tank. That does not look they tear it apart for cleaning before squeezing anything . Boiling syrups does not get rid of rust particles maybe a strong magnet in the various kettles would help
I would imagine that normally this sort of thing should be seasoned like cast iron cookware. Rust isn't magnetic so you can't really pull it out that way. I wouldn't be too worried about the rust particles though, iron oxide isn't harmful to ingest in small quantities.
But yeah, I was thinking the same thing. This is in contact with food, clean it up a bit before reassembly.
I wouldnt consume anything that put out. Errrgh.
Well not until its cleaned of all the rust and gunk on the rollers.
wayne p Small amounts of rust is not harmful in the diet. Adds iron to the daily minimum requirements. Ingestion of evaporust is probably very bad to ingest.
What do you think gets added to fortified cereals then !
But the babbitt bearings have me more concerned than the iron .
Who else was thinking s brazef half moon shaped cast iron plate for the stop?
don't forget that broken bolt
Good morning from St John Parish, Louisiana 05 Oct 20.
Cane makes good Rum too.
Sweet... :-)
Sugar beet, here in England !
I thought there were other wore out issues with the unit as well. I was waiting for you to address them too... :-(
Now I can see why our local molasses tastes like cast iron lol. They probably don’t do much cleaning from year to year
Interesting. I need to take a welding course where I can learn to braze.
just D I Y it it's not hard, a pile of scrap metal a torch some brazing rods and just do it. braze it together and pound and twist it if it doesn't break--- success.
Like Frank Deegan says just get the equipment and try. I started Arc welding at 11 years old using my dads 225 Linclom welder best way to learn is to do it.
I seen the bearing for mill now see how they work. I would like to see steam moter for the engine the stouker. Put to getter
Do I see the broken bolt un-removed?
I think it was called Karo syrup. My Dad came from Ohio where they made Sorghum, which is Really great on toast.
Nice video but... it I would of been nice to have a closeup view of the repair after assembled (final view was too dark and too far away to see any detail). Enjoy and respects you work, thanks
Are those white metal bearings lubricated by oil???
Lard and Tallow were common.
Does anyone know if the Goldens who made the mill is the same company as the "Goldens' Syrup" that used to be sold all over?
I may be off the mark and I'm certainly the wrong side of the Atlantic for sugar cane milling, but in the UK Tate & Lyle still produce "Golden Syrup", which is partially inverted cane syrup, and so called simply from its colour. "Inversion" simply means breaking down the cane sugar, sucrose, which is a di-saccharide into its mono-saccharide components, fructose and glucose.
I have to say that the condition of that cane mill didn't much resemble food grade processing equipment! However, I guess the juice is going to get boiled for a long time, and the rust will only contribute a bit of iron in the diet.
@@jonathanrichards593 Quite true. The sanitary conditions of the beginnings of a food chain are often astounding. One must remember it all grows in dirt.......
I'll check tomorrow on my desktop and see where that steel mill was ( I assume on the Chattahoochee) and what else they produced.
If you could build up the height of the housing with spacers, you could put a gear reduction drive with a electric motor. 1-2hp.
True. But that would take away his Mom's chance to drive around in her golf cart and supervise the operation!
DL Fabrications, I would think all you need is a 1mp motor!
Looking at the thumbnail I was 99% sure you were going to dunk the whole thing in Evapo-Rust before doing anything else 😁