Restoring a Goldens’ No. 2, Three Roller Sugar Cane Mill
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- Restoring a Goldens’ No. 2, Three Roller Sugar Cane Mill including cleaning it up, turning the journals of the rollers on the metal lathe, and pouring new babbitt bearings.
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Extremely impressed by your diplomacy. That was a brilliant balance of conveying information without denigrating anybody. I cannot imagine what a difficult situation it must be knowing that the owners are likely watching. I think you handled things extremely well
Am I the only one that finds watching old babbit being melted out immensely satisfying?
My bride's uncle got a cane press mill years ago at an auction down south. It was mounted on an old wagon and he cleaned everything up ready for pressing. He had planted some sorghum and when it came time for pressing the only horses he could find were his friends pulling ponies. Long story short, those pulling ponies were trained to lunge into their harnesses. They about tore the whole thing apart and plan B was implemented, a lawn tractor and a boy driving it.
His molasses making started growing each year and soon busloads of senior citizens were coming. He barely had enough molasses for his own use. He finally said enough. He had just wanted to relive his youth and have a little molasses for himself and his family so he sold the whole setup, syrup pans and all. While not tasting the same, store-bought molasses were a lot easier.
The "pulling ponies" is funny. I believe the proper expression is, "The ponies were quick broke." Always be careful around ponies or horses that are "quick broke." The unexpected will happen. Very quickly. Boy on a lawn tractor is a great solution.
I never get tired of babbet pours.
Loved it this video. Never seen a cane mill and the poured babbitt bearings just emphasizes the brilliance of our forefathers. Imagine, “order a new bearing from McMaster Carr son? Ha ha, watch this....”
Awesome job Keith showing your work "time-lapse" is one of the keys --promise we won't get bored with the details!!
old friend is here to listen to my friend
I went to Pioneer Days in Loachapoka, AL two weekends ago where they had two of these pressing cane, one powered by a horse and the other by a four-wheeler. There was also a good sized cooker running making the syrup out of the cane juice. The day is a look into the history of that county. I used to go to this when I was in school at Auburn University in the 70s and 80s. It is good that it is still going on. Great food also.
I don’t fault the other guys for trying to repair. There are many things that look doable after you watch a few TH-cam vids that don’t come out as well as expected. That’s when you realize that the guys in the vids are old experienced experts (in most cases) like ole Keith R who have many tricks up their sleeves. Anyway, they have their mill back in times to make their squeezins and all is now well. Thanks Keith for helping them out and for showing us how to make it right. 😎👍👀
Keith, I repaired bakery equipment for a living. Vegetable oil turns gummy after a while. Use mineral oil. Bakers would use vegetable oil on equipment, it would turn gummy and the equipment would get very hard to use and even sieze up. I would have to disassemble and clean them, then use mineral oil. Some equipment had oilers and the manufacturers required mineral oil to be used. We used food grade mineral oil by the gallon but you can use a small bottle from the drug store.
Future reference: they do make food grade machinery grease. Back when I was on a high school robotics team, we were donated several tubes of it and used it for lubing spur gears. Good stuff.
Nice job of being gentle on whoever worked on it before you. We got to lerarn from their mistakers, but you werevery gracious! The time lapse was an effective video "tool". Thanks again!
Good work, Keith.
Now let's talk Ice Cream !!
You beat me to it, but yeah "One Mule Power" Cane Mill. When I was a kid there were still some of these around the Mississippi Delta and we used to buy Cane Syrup in the metal cans every year. Fresh hot buttermilk biscuits and cane syrup, sure were good.
Fresh hot buttermilk biscuits and cane syrup, your killing me
I found this very interesting to view. I ad;mire your work and expertise. Thanks Kieth.
Yes, i can remember my grandfather and i working on cane mills and he had one also. My grandfather’s was a three post style. We used a old riding lawnmower with steering wheel tied to turn a circle by it’s self. He know how to cook it better then anyone around. I have tried on a small scale to make it taste like his but it’s not that easy. Thanks for sharing!
another great one
Agree, quite the resource overall!
Consult the rate sheet for the "you worked on it first" price.
You could use Mineral oil too! It works great on Cutting boards too!
You can restore my modern cane machines in the future anytime. Nice vid. Much appreciated!
I am glad I watched this. Learned again something new
For food-grade applications, I like to use mineral oil (from the pharmacy). It is meant for consumption, and it doesn't go rancid or get sticky like vegetable oil can.
I was going to say the same thing. I use mineral oil for sharpening knives with an oil stone. It doesn't go rancid (my father used to use olive oil on his oil stone, stank to high heaven) and, other than a mild laxative effect, mineral oil just passes through the body with no problems.
Also, there are food grade silicone spray lubes. I bet there are lots of other food grade lubricants for industrial food processing machinery.
Uh... What about the lead in the babbit bearing? It might be the reason the South comes dead last in academics.
@@bobweiram6321 - Uh.... You could watch the video before commenting, so you don't come dead last in TH-cam academics.
@@bobweiram6321 Ah! Remember the good old days when there was lead in the gas, lead in the paint...
Nice refresh of this cane mill! You're pretty good at pouring babbit! Please be sure to pass that skill on! Thanks for another pleasant half-hour, Keith!
Thanks Keith! It really makes my day watching any vid you care to put out! Cheers from Prince George Northern BC.
Nice bit of work.
Larry Bolan is absolutely correct. I worked in a bakery for 21 years and you had to have the stuff, You can also get food grade oils as well. Another option may be mineral oil. The problem wit vegetable oil is that it dries up and gets all gummy, You can over come that with more, but then you just end up building up the residue of the dried oil and it's a pain to clean. Keith, nice job as usual and a nice choice to do a condensed version of,
Cool job 👍
good job keith
Great job on the mill! Thanks for sharing another great video!
Very interesting peek into the past. Thank you.
Great repair as usual. Keep on keeping on.
Great concise video ! Thanks
Keith! fantastic video, footage from the mill in action would be great to see so I hope you can make that happen. Great editing too, I watched the whole vid and no skipping around was even necessary.
Great video Keith !! Thank you.
Nice work preserving that bit of history. I’d suggest mineral oil as an assembly lube because it won’t go rancid like vegetable oil.
Wikipedia says that babbitt melts at ~450 °F, the two tin and the two lead alloys melt at from 433 °F to 466 °F. So all alloys can be easily melted.
Thank you for sharing. Enjoyed.
Yep, grind the crank, some new rods and mains!
Very interesting - I always learn something from you Keith.
Another outstanding video. Bravo.
Awesome job keith
Great stuff!
This is super cool
Nice restoration
Looking forward to seeing the unit in operation.
Great video Keith cane' Rucker, keep'um coming...
Very neat, thanks.
The wife's father talks about making sargum when he was younger, utilizing the 1 horse power you referred to, lucky, said that was the most broke horse he's ever seen.. thanks for the vid!
1 horse is not equal to 1 horsepower. It can go up to almost 15 horsepower.
@@dtoad48 With a lot of torque
@@rocketman6478 And what? I watched it, too. I'm just pointing out facts.
@@dtoad48 then you completely misunderstood my comment, so I don't understand why your trying to point those facts out to me. You going to correct Keith as well??
And now I just learned what broke horse means after deciding to look that up.
Now if I ever see a horse for sale that says ‘Broke to death’, I’ll not be outright confused!
Then I read on about gaited horses and canter and how there’s different breeds that walk different ways. Some are smoother riding and others better for steep or rough terrain. Something like that. Yeah? Mind blown!
I had a suspicion with the spelling of sorghum to read it with southern-like accent to better appreciate the character of his fond memories he shared of a different era. Warm feels. Thanks
Like the cane press good video
My favorite channel 😊👍🍺🍺
Keith just use a couple of tin cans to cover the bearings and keep stuff out of there. Cheap and easy.
Took my a while to come around to your channel Keith but man you have some great original content
Would like very much to see this mill in action .
Very nice job!
I was just thinking about the mule circle while you were walking that nut off in the last video. ;)
Keith's home for wayward cane mills. :-)
Sure helps when you have done a job before.
Just worked on some tiny foam tools I make from solid carbide blanks. They had 1/8" shanks and 1" OAL.
The cutting diameter is
7/32" . From start to finish it takes 8 different
operations and a lot time. Point is the second batch was much easier .
Done them eight times so far. I was hoping the first would be the last.
It is money.
Great video thanks for sharing. :o)
Keith, great video. However, while you were oiling the babet bearings the wife was just visible in the background almost out of shot grabbing some way oil off the shelf. Check your french fries before you munch them. 😁 Ant.
I'm seeing a Windy Hill Foundry collab in the making with the covers. 👍
ALWAYS INTERESTIN
Hiya Keith
Just like the old Maple Suggur boiler, it was used like 4 or 5 times a season to boil the sap. I did know one person that did a run or two of Birch Sap every year because he had a grove of Birch Trees, the Birch trees are tap at different times than maple trees. Birch Syrup is used on fish mostly.
Hello Keith 👋, haven't seen you in a while. I've been watching videos for a long time. I'm pretty limited, to do downloading. Anyway Keith I certainly enjoy 😊 your sessions. Take care now...
No donkey!! That's how I remember it, in South Georgia b6 the way.
Good job. Now they can produce "cachaça" and make some "caipirinhas"!!! 😋
I would of used lead Babbitt it adds flavor to the sugar juices. That's why lead paint chips taste so good. All joking aside great restoration as always. From Cali...
Hey Keith I live in Detroit area and I have no access to sugarcane... But I like to make some rum now and then and I would absolutely love to talk to somebody that runs a machine like you restored and crush actual sugar cane to make my rum from!!! I can get all the sugar beet molasses I want, however actual cane sugar is about twice the price of gas..!!
Keith Rucker, the Golden's Cane Mill whisperer.....
Keith, could you use the damming putty to create a well on the band saw hub & then fill with evaporust ?
Your vids bring me happiness.
does anyone remember the guy that rebuilt the monarch lathe that had the real deep voice and always wore bib overalls ?
i hope you get over and film him doing the sugar cain
Is mold pack play-doh with extra asbestos?
What was the loose sheet metal panel in between the large roller and outside panels. Did not see it on the table in the exploded state before reassembly
Well done. As always, an interesting and entertaining video. Thanks!
No surprise as You've done it before.
I didn't get what the actual reason for the blockage was.
How much machining time did the work need?
Wouldn't this be a good candidate for a spray welding on those shafts? Is there any benefit or drawback to choosing one over the other???
Jeff they make a food grade silicone spray if you don't wanna use the veg oil
Nice video. I was wondering what surface were all the components resting on vertically? You explained only the big bearings for the side forces. I’m guessing the rollers are just resting on top of the bearing edges and the gears are sitting on a surface that’s part of the case…?😊
At 20:30 keith starts talking about the babbet bearings and why they are only on half of each fitting. Cool. My question is how about preventing wear on the bottom end of each shaft? Is that somehow dealt with?
9:00 That lathe needs some TLC on the drive belts - I heard them slipping.
Probably had a bunch of assembly oil on them.
Looks like the owner knew enough to be dangerous. Cool to see you go back and straighten up his mess.
Hope you have time permitting to record the cane mill in action,thanks for the. Video🤗😎🤗😎
Love the video Keith. I have noticed in the last few bearing casting you have done that you have not "Smoked/Sooted" the shafts before doing the pour. Is there a reason for that?
I think Keith misinterpreted what they wanted- after seeing him walk around that big nut on the bandsaw with that long pipe, they are thinking of hitching him to the cane mill.
Hahahahaha that’s hilarious! I totally saw that and remembered a strong man competition with a similar thing.
I'd guess those sleeves in the gears are to take radial (separating) load off the dogs, so they only see tangential (driving) load.
Keith Rucker - The Cane Mill Whisperer
Love the Video's of these being restored but the OCD in me would touch up the roller groves on the lathe. Ill stick to making Beef Jerky. ;)
I am wondering if back in the day if they may have lubricated that with some kind of animal fat!
Maybe cottonseed oil.
Two questions, I thought that would smoke the shafts, with acetalene before poring, and also, painting the cast iron, would that contamiate the syrup?
you wont get carbon on there if your torch is set right.
You apparently did not read what I was asking him. I do know about adjusting the torch so to not get a carborizing flame. In the past he and others would coat the part with carbon so that the babbit would not stick to the shafts.
@@combatmedic1980 I read what you wrote, but apparently you didn't write what you were thinking.
Keith, You did not specifically soot the rods before the Babbitt pour. When is it necessary and when is it not ? Thanks
A _really_ interesting little 'pocket project' to watch! I could tell that you might have done things differently if the mill had been your own property and you had more time--perhaps replace those loose sleeves on the cogs and do something about the shoulder you were forced to leave because of them on the shaft. I also seem to remember when you have poured bearing material in the past you ensured the shaft you were using as a pattern was coated in carbon. Did you forgo that step this time as part of the owner's very understandable food-safe requirement?
The difference is night and day from the start to the end of project! The rollers wouldn't turn at all and now they spin without difficulty. I look forward to seeing the video of these machines in action! I imagine one of the many improvement over the original 1-mule-power engine is the fact they can be packed closely together now and multiply the output of syrup. Does that syrup go on to a final stage at a different company again to be crystallized into sugar or does it stay as syrup?
I understood that, in small quantities, carbon is considered quite safe to ingest. It's at least the same level of "safe" as the small amounts of tin, zinc and copper that might leak from the "Eco-Babbit" alloy that was probably used.
Please please please get video of this thing in service and of the cane syrup process. I've been mail ordering cane syrup (Steen's) my whole life since we don't see it much on the west coast.
Seems the old saying is true "A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing"
You could maybe 3D print some covers Keith.
Looks like it came out of refinery's its way bigger than in the shop that makes a class of sugarcane
How is the bearing shell distance set before the babbitt is poured ?
Distance set by eye. The bearing are fully floating so it doesn't matter in the slightest how thick or thin they end up (providing there is enough meat there of course).
@@johncoops6897 Thanks for your answer.
@@RichieCat4223 - I forgot to add that these old machines are designed to be serviced in the field without special tools or equipment. That means that they might have adjustments that would not be provided in modern (more highly engineered) designs.
After he gets it reassembled, Keith shows the 4 (shiny silver) adjustment bolts that move the bearings shells into position. The operator would be adjusting those every few days, since the bearings would wear relatively quickly.
I would very much like to please see this in action. Ty
So, what are those gears for? It looks like they are not pressed or keyed to the shafts and they spin freely...
There are 3 cogs that the gear fits over, locking them to the shaft. That is what makes the two presser wheels turn when the big roller is turned.
Got it, thanks.
I must have missed something but how do the gears lock on to the rollers?
Still on light duty I see. )
Among others, Abom79 has advocated for the value of spray welding. Wondering if those shafts would have been good candidates for that process and what your thinking might be about that approach.
Since there is no specific diameter prescribed due to the babbitt just filling whatever necessary, I do not think the spray welding process is viable.
Spray welding is additive so a journal can be machined to fit either a stock bearing or bushing. In this case the babbitt is poured so it can be poured to any size, it is far easier to just remove some journal material and allow the babbitt to take up the space.