I think it really depends on the lifestyle that you want. I know NPs making 300k and more and they work very hard. I am a new grad psych NP and chose to take a job for 140k. In my role I will see 14 patients a day, no call no weekends. Very flexible as well. 140k is on the low end however I have 2 kids and I need to have work life balance. My husband has a great job so I don’t need to be a work horse.
yes one owns his own practice and the others just hustle and work 1099 for several organizations. In California it is also common to see those high payscales for psyh NP's
I agree. I hated being a floor nurse and would never ever go back to floor nursing. I did it for 11 years and hated every minute of it. I've been an NP for 28 years and it was either that or quit nursing. I make $90/hour which is about 187,000/year and would never work in a hospital for that, plus with the pandemic winding down, RN pay is going way down. I do locums, pick and choose, take months off, and would never go back. Plus, I'm fairly independent.
I have been a nurse for 28 years, a NP for 8 years. I have worked as a nephrology NP for the last 4 years, and I am burned out! I have been looking for months for a new job, and the only (non-psych) NP jobs in my area are primary care or urgent care. I have no desire to work in those areas, and I need to make a change soon to keep my sanity intact, so I am seriously considering going back to a RN job. I could make more as a contract home health nurse in the city where I live than what I am currently making in my NP role.
I made more as a travel nurse than I do as an NP but I also had really good contracts. But travel nursing was exhausting and I feel like my NP job is actually pretty chill. Better work/life balance for sure. I've talked to so many people who are happier as RNs or as NPs that I don't think there's a one-size-fits-all answer here, just depends on your personal life situation, financial situation, etc.
It's unfortunate because when I worked in NYC the average NP got paid $105k/yr as a starting salary. I was already making $105k/yr as an ER nurse with very little overtime so it didn't make sense for me to go to NP school, knowing that it wasn't going to make sense financially. And, now me and my wife live in Sacramento and are earning close to $200k/yr, each, with very little overtime.
It’s unfortunate because of these degree mills np is becoming not worth it financially unless you own a practice, living in rural areas that in turn have a higher income potential, or doing 1099 contracts to make money as a np and not everyone wants to do that. People want to be w-2.
@@rjsmusicstudio4716 very true. I remember when I was in NYC I used to get a lot of students that had not even gotten a job yet but we're in accelerated BSN to MSN programs. Or new grads with not even 6 months of experience in school for their NP.
Yeah, it’s crazy to see how things have changed for sure. 200k as a NP for some specialties is living the dream but for some RNs it’s normal. What makes it worse is that Unfortunately desperate new grad NPs are accepting lower and lower salaries because they need any job and it’s worsening our case to stay competitive. Realistically speaking, If I were starting off now, I probably wouldn’t want it be an NP and just keep my RN jobs.
Unfortunately, the last thing I want to do is return to bedside nursing. It doesn't matter how muh I would make. It's funny I worked registry about 3 months ago which paid 1k per shift and it was a nightmare.
I won’t go back to bedside nursing, but so do agree with all you have said. I’m ANP in the UK and can relate well. Instead will ensure to update my knowledge and skills to make me a better NP.❤❤❤
Thank you for making this video. I just graduated np school. It’s a lot to think about. I refuse to work anywhere that the idea is to bum rush you with as many patients as they can pack in. I don’t care if they are paying 500 k a year. Thank you. It’s a lot to think about
Same I just graduated and in school, I was told that we have to see at min of 4 patients an hour. So I guess we can expect tobe seeing the same in our first job. That is about 15 minutes per pt. That is kinda norm.
I am FNP and PMHNP, love love love my current MH job and I have never made current salary when I worked at the bedside. I am the least bit interested in beside nursing with toxic work environment, hospital system that don't give a crap about you as a nurse, the physical demand of bedside nursing or those twelve hour shifts plus working weekends and holidays. Nope, miss me with all that. To each their own, but for me bedside nursing is a definite NO.
How long did it take you to become both an FMP and PMHNP? Do you work in both capacities concurrently or separate at different places? That’s my goal. I’m currently an RN applying for PMHNP schools..
@Top Queen, how did you transition from FNP to PMHNP? Did you first find a job in a practice which utilized both? Did you have PMHNP RN experience? Just curious because soon I'll be FNP, but am noticing I quite enjoy following up on patients who have psych issues along w/ other comorbidities. I just don't have "direct" or only Psych experience.
Thank you for making this video. I love my nursing job that’s why I came to US from my country South Korea as a nurse by myself 2 years ago. I thought I was supposed to grow as a nurse and at least to be a nurse practitioner or something. After watching your videos, I changed my mind and try to think again to be a NP. I even did not think about which NP I want to be. Just, somebody said “Hey this NP job makes a lot of money”, “I am just tired of bedside nursing,I am going to be NP.” I should think more thoroughly. Thank you again,
Burnout is everywhere. Take a break and rejuvenate yourself. As for making money, there's not enough money in the world to quench the thirst of those who want more. Imagine, the richest person in the world hardly sleeps enough thinking of how to make more money.
I think one of the hardest parts is that by the time you realize you're doing exactly the same job as the physician and that staff will often ask you for things are expecting the view that they don't have the Physicians, still and that you're not going to make enough money to have a glamorous lifestyle anything like a Physicians, you will already have the student loans which may be not that much less than Physicians have especially the DM piece who may be going to school for 7 years and making less than half what a position does who went to school for 8 years. And to know that there are more and more Physicians realize how lucrative it is to have a side gig as a physician collaborator in states that require it or buy starting a business where they have a team of nurse practitioners bringing in vast amounts of money for them making rounds at nursing homes or working a split work week at two different clinics while making a small sliver of the profits.
I have been a PMHNP for a little over a year. I much prefer this role to that of a bedside nurse and never plan to return. Do you still have your private psych practice? Are you doing telehealth? Cash pay or insurance?
After 30 years of nursing, as an NP only make 100k( before taxes) Rotten shameful pay in Central New York Im 60 this year.. too young to retire too old and tired for bedside 😢
pfft I made 59k working full time as an RN in an ICU in Chicago working holidays and weekends. Low end NP pay and freedom from bedside will always be the better option.
I was a bedside RN in the icu in NY and one day my contract terminated in the middle of the shift for no reason.. I mean NO reason.. so yes the pay might be good but you have zero job security as a travel nurse..
I met a homeless travel nurse on the streets of san diego, yes this is true and the homeless nurse was living paychrck to pay check already when it happened to her, couldnt find another contract fast enough
I've been a travel nurse since November 2017. Only had 1 contract terminated for a Covid emergency contract 2 week early. I take 3 months a year off now and have never had a contract canceled with my main company. I don't have any issues getting contracts. I feel as if I have more job security based off my flexibility. I've worked West Coast and East Coast. I drive to my contracts because I love traveling!!! Now, contracts being canceled is a possibility, so you have to budget and plan accordingly. If it is canceled get another contract. It's that's simple. As a traveler, you roll with the punches. Now, does that mean you take crap...nope. I've left 1 facility and threatened to leave another one and my company still works with me because I'm a good nurse. If I leave, it's for a good reason. I love the flexibility of traveling.
People should retire when they want to. Not because other people think they should because they are older. If you are still competent, we need u to stay an active nurse, unless you don't want to anymore. # I love nursing, still. ❤️
How sad. The people who hire NPs know exactly what they are doing. They just want a body with a license to do all the grunt work and heavy lifting while paying as little as possible for all the work. I remember reading about bedside nurses getting paid paid more than NPs. That is terrible.
Hate to say it but the pay will alway be less as long as it’s a female dominated industry. We need more back bone and need to stop pecking at each other so much…it’s just our nature I guess.
I think best of both worlds could be a good fit. Work part time as RN in the job you already know. For me that’s the OR- 8 years now so I can do the job with minimal stress level. Then find a part time NP job or per diem NP job. Or vice versa work per diem in the hospital as a RN and part time as NP. Seems like a good mental balance and maximize earning potential while potentially minimizing burnout.
Yes I make over 200K as a bedside RN, I have a good block schedule 12s with a week off every other wk. I do want to do my NP but looked into it and it’s so expensive school wise. I don’t want to go into debt for a career where I will take a pay cut
NP vs Bedside RN comparison is very opinionated. Talked to some Travel RN's and are proud of what they are. Already at their 50's and money is just the driving factor but life seem disorganized because of state travel assignments. NP's on the other hand get to stay in their own turf and closer to family (if they have) which is a very positive result. Pay is i think probably the deciding factor however, the problem goes with the person and their relationship with money. However thanks for the video. It gave me a clearer point of view since I was told why go back to school when travel RN pays higher than NP's (if they added some extra shifts). I am almost halfway with my NP program for acute care. Thanks Bro.
Yeah you could have three or four Admissions and four discharges and one day on the unit and those Admissions and take an hour and the documenting at least half that long and you have to write a summary on patients that are discharged that is also about two pages.
In Australia you need to first be an RN and then gather 4 years full time experience in your specialty (2 of which has to be an advanced role). Then you qualify to enrol into NP school. Here we only have about 2200 NPs nation wide!
Regarding the ad for lifestyle coaches: If a licensed nurse is going to go so far as getting into lifestyle coaching here she would probably do better and make more money if they actually get into disease management coaching. Especially if you're going to charge them for eight months of training. Most of what you learned will be just practicing until you get good at it and so you could actually do well with a month of training in lifestyle coaching unless you are coming into it with no training because you are a civilian with no Health Care license. For license nurse the focus would be on learning motivational interviewing and health psychology and privacy and frankly sales because you are selling people you've never met the idea that they need to take better care of themselves and that you can give them the information and support to do so. For example after you've hung up with a patient if you are still documenting things in your computer you have the freedom to snack because you're not on camera anymore and you can't do that at the nurses station for at least three decades now, but at the nurses station when you need to stretch your legs there is always something down the hall that you need to be doing and you'll be lucky if you sit down for half an hour every shift. If that's easier for you than sitting for 8 to 10 hours and only getting up for a total of an hour per day sometimes less than Health coaching and disease management coaching maybe for you.
Typically you’ll use generic ones and add it certain things that the organization requires based on their standards. Yeah, most people will copy to keep the pertinent information there and just change the things that might be different. Just be careful that it makes sense if you do just copy and paste all the time
I agree.. work life balance would be the reason I’d return to psych bedside nursing😕 As for charting, it seems that’s all I do is chart. 7 days a week..
@@Test-zn9rs I'm an FNP for a behavioral health group under supervision of a psychiatrist/MD. I provide psych services at SNFs. I return to school in January '23 for PC-PMHNP. I've been a psych nurse for over 21 years but went through FNP program first. I still ask myself why I did that first lol
@@dvsbeauty13 Thanks a lot for your reply! I was asking the specific context because I haven’t hard a lot of psych NPs mention so much charting. How much time would you say you typically spend charting “off the clock” versus billable hours?
It all depends on location. In parts of south Florida where I live I see NP jobs being advertised all the time for very low salaries...as low as in the high $30s to $40s per hour, and you need to be bilingual and see up to 30 people a day. Whether you want to or not, if you're the NP who's working a gig like that you're automatically doing a lot of unpaid OT to keep up with the documentation. And If its an urgent care you will be seeing a whole lot more than just 30 people a day. I know experienced staff RNs who earn that and more if you add in shift diffs and OT. Travel and Contract RNs here can make significantly more if they're in a specialized area. In some states, bedside RNs who work for certain systems in parts of the state earn a whole lot more than most NPs there, even excluding OT. I know this to be a fact in California and a few other states.You are correct that many NPs went back to travel/contract nursing over the past couple years...especially during COVID. The $$$ those contracts were paying was insane! But that has mostly dried up now. I don't that those NPs stayed in the bedside RN role for long after the pay went back down. For too many it would mean a permanent return to all the stuff they went to NP school to get away from. I suspect that some of them didn't go back to the bedside at all but that they went into other areas of nursing or quit the profession and moved on to other things.
Haha, my mother in law is an icu nurse making 300k yearly by working almost everyday and stacking up on that over time pay plus night shift differential not a very work life balance but she is making more than some doctors.
That last one 👍 As a healthcare provider, NP, RN, LMFT, MD’s I think the ones that are really good, have thought about opening there open businesses and work for themselves. Yes, some have to go back to the workforce due to the economy. Especially now, but there is something magical and ful-filling when you have more control over your work and personal life. Not for everyone but it’s better when you are not just working for the money and seeing other people patients.
Yess, I one hundred percent agree. Working for yourself is the best thing I’ve done and I wish I would have done it sooner, but I’m not gonna lie, there are days I wish I can just work from someone else and do other side things
right now Hi am afraid of nurses the fake nurses is all over in the hospital in the group home they all over they should find them before they kill people especially the edaly
You should totally do it, but there’s no guarantee you will get paid significantly more as a NP. The probability is higher but I know some are getting paid way less but they are okay with it because they wanted to leave bedside so badly
Thanks for speaking on this topic it's long over due because I been noticing a lot of new grad nps are saying they are not making the money the stress of there job and like you said opportunities. I have friends are traveling making bank that's why I had to do my research before jumping . Im a nursing student Ill be perfectly fine as a rn because there are so many opportunities and money to be made .😊 Thanks again great video
@@LifeofaPsychNP you can make more as a PMHNP, or you can make less. I know people in So Cal making mid 6 figures and others making low 6 figures (as much as I am as a part-time ER nurse)
@@nicolebutler8271 thank you so much for the support and you’re right. For some reason people think becoming a NP is a progressive thing and something you have to do when you become an RN, but it’s not. There are sooo many opportunities as RNs and you can make way more than some NPs. I love your thought process! Best of luck in school
@@djxpress yup, it totally is dependent on your career as a PMHNP. If you wanna see a lot of patients and are willing to bust your butt, you can make a lot. When I say a lot, I mean 400-800k a year. But if you don’t wanna see alot and want a balanced life, you probably won’t make as much.
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I’m curious. Not challenging you but where is your evidence that “so many” NPs are leaving their roles? Are you going off of your own experience, studies, etc.?
how much do psych nurses not NPs but regular psych nurse or new grad nurses in psych make because i want to transition there after my residency in med surg? i do plan to go on and get a higher degree but that remains to be seen in the future for now i want to know how much regular psych nurses make, if possible
I'm a new nurse on a psychiatric unit in Florida and I make about $30 an hour. I get a dollar extra for weekend pay and if I did nights I'd get an extra $5. It's not amazing, but I can pay my bills and my schedule is nice. I will say, that I've only been a nurse for 6 months and I'm already drained. Depending on the state you work in your pay could be more than mine, Florida is usually behind on that stuff anyway lol
I guess it's their choice. At least they can, as a lot of PAs don't have that choice as they are not RNs. I don't know any RN who makes more than I do as an NP. Plus, those RN jobs... done that, don't want to do it again for any amount of money. Way more patients and stress as a bedside RN. I also don't know any NP that would or has gone back to the bedside. Can you tell me where you got your info? Thanks.
I am a bedside RN and I actually have some travel colleagues who are NPs but are doing travel contracts at bedside because of the money. Just saying that there are nurses like that …
You're suggesting that his information is anecdotal, but yours is too. Just because you don't know any RNs who earn more than you do as an NP doesn't mean that there aren't any RNs who earn more than you do or that there aren't many RNs who earn more than you do. I read many nursing and medical journals and there are quite a few articles that have been published in them about this particular topic. Google is your friend. There are more than a few articles about NPs who left the NP role to go back to bedside...especially during COVID, when many RN gigs were paying over $100 per hour. Even here on TH-cam there are many videos that NPs have posted explaining why they left the NP profession.
Now that the pandemic is ending, hospitals are dropping the rates. Trust me not as many bedside RNs are getting paid like they were. Maybe a few here and there still are but from what I seeC it’s changing back.
@@FallacyAsPraxis nurse practitioners follow a script. That’s it. They came on board at a time when entrance to medical school was down. Now they are so dumb they say… here I am exploit me…
Ya why not just become a doc. Most NPs are messing up rx of my pts! Your education needs to be increased for unsupervised prescribing. PAs should prescribe before NPs can!
I think it really depends on the lifestyle that you want. I know NPs making 300k and more and they work very hard. I am a new grad psych NP and chose to take a job for 140k. In my role I will see 14 patients a day, no call no weekends. Very flexible as well. 140k is on the low end however I have 2 kids and I need to have work life balance. My husband has a great job so I don’t need to be a work horse.
Np making 300k do they own a practice, work travel np, or 1099.
yes one owns his own practice and the others just hustle and work 1099 for several organizations. In California it is also common to see those high payscales for psyh NP's
2 kids? I’m sorry to hear that. Hopefully you can get a refund or return soon.
I agree. I hated being a floor nurse and would never ever go back to floor nursing. I did it for 11 years and hated every minute of it. I've been an NP for 28 years and it was either that or quit nursing. I make $90/hour which is about 187,000/year and would never work in a hospital for that, plus with the pandemic winding down, RN pay is going way down. I do locums, pick and choose, take months off, and would never go back. Plus, I'm fairly independent.
@@neenah4027 what speciality and state?
I have been a nurse for 28 years, a NP for 8 years. I have worked as a nephrology NP for the last 4 years, and I am burned out! I have been looking for months for a new job, and the only (non-psych) NP jobs in my area are primary care or urgent care. I have no desire to work in those areas, and I need to make a change soon to keep my sanity intact, so I am seriously considering going back to a RN job. I could make more as a contract home health nurse in the city where I live than what I am currently making in my NP role.
Hello. I am a NP student wanting to be a nephrology NP. I have been a dialysis nurse for 10yrs now. Do you mind sharing why you feel burnt out?
I made more as a travel nurse than I do as an NP but I also had really good contracts. But travel nursing was exhausting and I feel like my NP job is actually pretty chill. Better work/life balance for sure. I've talked to so many people who are happier as RNs or as NPs that I don't think there's a one-size-fits-all answer here, just depends on your personal life situation, financial situation, etc.
Job mobility growth is slim to none
@@danielleatterberry travel nursing isn't going anywhere.
It's unfortunate because when I worked in NYC the average NP got paid $105k/yr as a starting salary. I was already making $105k/yr as an ER nurse with very little overtime so it didn't make sense for me to go to NP school, knowing that it wasn't going to make sense financially. And, now me and my wife live in Sacramento and are earning close to $200k/yr, each, with very little overtime.
It’s unfortunate because of these degree mills np is becoming not worth it financially unless you own a practice, living in rural areas that in turn have a higher income potential, or doing 1099 contracts to make money as a np and not everyone wants to do that. People want to be w-2.
@@rjsmusicstudio4716 very true. I remember when I was in NYC I used to get a lot of students that had not even gotten a job yet but we're in accelerated BSN to MSN programs. Or new grads with not even 6 months of experience in school for their NP.
Yeah, it’s crazy to see how things have changed for sure. 200k as a NP for some specialties is living the dream but for some RNs it’s normal. What makes it worse is that Unfortunately desperate new grad NPs are accepting lower and lower salaries because they need any job and it’s worsening our case to stay competitive. Realistically speaking, If I were starting off now, I probably wouldn’t want it be an NP and just keep my RN jobs.
Unfortunately, the last thing I want to do is return to bedside nursing. It doesn't matter how muh I would make. It's funny I worked registry about 3 months ago which paid 1k per shift and it was a nightmare.
What do you guys do?
I won’t go back to bedside nursing, but so do agree with all you have said. I’m ANP in the UK and can relate well. Instead will ensure to update my knowledge and skills to make me a better NP.❤❤❤
Thank you for making this video. I just graduated np school. It’s a lot to think about. I refuse to work anywhere that the idea is to bum rush you with as many patients as they can pack in. I don’t care if they are paying 500 k a year. Thank you. It’s a lot to think about
Same I just graduated and in school, I was told that we have to see at min of 4 patients an hour. So I guess we can expect tobe seeing the same in our first job. That is about 15 minutes per pt. That is kinda norm.
I am FNP and PMHNP, love love love my current MH job and I have never made current salary when I worked at the bedside. I am the least bit interested in beside nursing with toxic work environment, hospital system that don't give a crap about you as a nurse, the physical demand of bedside nursing or those twelve hour shifts plus working weekends and holidays. Nope, miss me with all that. To each their own, but for me bedside nursing is a definite NO.
How long did it take you to become both an FMP and PMHNP? Do you work in both capacities concurrently or separate at different places? That’s my goal. I’m currently an RN applying for PMHNP schools..
That's awesome! I've noticed many PMHNP love their jobs
@Top Queen, how did you transition from FNP to PMHNP? Did you first find a job in a practice which utilized both? Did you have PMHNP RN experience? Just curious because soon I'll be FNP, but am noticing I quite enjoy following up on patients who have psych issues along w/ other comorbidities. I just don't have "direct" or only Psych experience.
Hi, I am interested in FNP and PMHNP, can you please share your role and everything else? Thank you
thank you for your comment , it gives me so much hope 🙏
Thank you for making this video. I love my nursing job that’s why I came to US from my country South Korea as a nurse by myself 2 years ago. I thought I was supposed to grow as a nurse and at least to be a nurse practitioner or something. After watching your videos, I changed my mind and try to think again to be a NP. I even did not think about which NP I want to be. Just, somebody said “Hey this NP job makes a lot of money”, “I am just tired of bedside nursing,I am going to be NP.” I should think more thoroughly. Thank you again,
Burnout is everywhere. Take a break and rejuvenate yourself. As for making money, there's not enough money in the world to quench the thirst of those who want more. Imagine, the richest person in the world hardly sleeps enough thinking of how to make more money.
Greencard nurses are driving pay down for all nurses. Just more people for us American born nurses to compete with.
I think one of the hardest parts is that by the time you realize you're doing exactly the same job as the physician and that staff will often ask you for things are expecting the view that they don't have the Physicians, still and that you're not going to make enough money to have a glamorous lifestyle anything like a Physicians, you will already have the student loans which may be not that much less than Physicians have especially the DM piece who may be going to school for 7 years and making less than half what a position does who went to school for 8 years. And to know that there are more and more Physicians realize how lucrative it is to have a side gig as a physician collaborator in states that require it or buy starting a business where they have a team of nurse practitioners bringing in vast amounts of money for them making rounds at nursing homes or working a split work week at two different clinics while making a small sliver of the profits.
I have been a PMHNP for a little over a year. I much prefer this role to that of a bedside nurse and never plan to return. Do you still have your private psych practice? Are you doing telehealth? Cash pay or insurance?
yeah, i agree. i love being a PMHNP and yes, i do still have it. Its a hybrid office, so both in person and telehealth. I i take insurance.
After 30 years of nursing, as an NP only make 100k( before taxes) Rotten shameful pay in Central New York Im 60 this year.. too young to retire too old and tired for bedside 😢
pfft I made 59k working full time as an RN in an ICU in Chicago working holidays and weekends. Low end NP pay and freedom from bedside will always be the better option.
They make make more as travel RNs. I've met many NP working as travel nurses since COVID started.
I was a bedside RN in the icu in NY and one day my contract terminated in the middle of the shift for no reason.. I mean NO reason.. so yes the pay might be good but you have zero job security as a travel nurse..
I met a homeless travel nurse on the streets of san diego, yes this is true and the homeless nurse was living paychrck to pay check already when it happened to her, couldnt find another contract fast enough
@@shorterkayla I saw your interview with her.
@@shorterkayla how? That’s crazy!
I've been a travel nurse since November 2017. Only had 1 contract terminated for a Covid emergency contract 2 week early. I take 3 months a year off now and have never had a contract canceled with my main company. I don't have any issues getting contracts. I feel as if I have more job security based off my flexibility. I've worked West Coast and East Coast. I drive to my contracts because I love traveling!!! Now, contracts being canceled is a possibility, so you have to budget and plan accordingly. If it is canceled get another contract. It's that's simple. As a traveler, you roll with the punches. Now, does that mean you take crap...nope. I've left 1 facility and threatened to leave another one and my company still works with me because I'm a good nurse. If I leave, it's for a good reason. I love the flexibility of traveling.
People should retire when they want to. Not because other people think they should because they are older. If you are still competent, we need u to stay an active nurse, unless you don't want to anymore.
# I love nursing, still. ❤️
Exactly! I will enjoy nursing into my late 70”s
Great video! Love how raw and honest you are in your videos!!
How sad. The people who hire NPs know exactly what they are doing. They just want a body with a license to do all the grunt work and heavy lifting while paying as little as possible for all the work.
I remember reading about bedside nurses getting paid paid more than NPs. That is terrible.
NP's need to demand appropriate pay but I have known a few who just accept what they are offered. Don't work for less than what you are worth.
Agreed
Hate to say it but the pay will alway be less as long as it’s a female dominated industry. We need more back bone and need to stop pecking at each other so much…it’s just our nature I guess.
Realistic and educational! Love it
I think best of both worlds could be a good fit. Work part time as RN in the job you already know. For me that’s the OR- 8 years now so I can do the job with minimal stress level. Then find a part time NP job or per diem NP job. Or vice versa work per diem in the hospital as a RN and part time as NP. Seems like a good mental balance and maximize earning potential while potentially minimizing burnout.
Yes I make over 200K as a bedside RN, I have a good block schedule 12s with a week off every other wk. I do want to do my NP but looked into it and it’s so expensive school wise. I don’t want to go into debt for a career where I will take a pay cut
NP vs Bedside RN comparison is very opinionated. Talked to some Travel RN's and are proud of what they are. Already at their 50's and money is just the driving factor but life seem disorganized because of state travel assignments. NP's on the other hand get to stay in their own turf and closer to family (if they have) which is a very positive result. Pay is i think probably the deciding factor however, the problem goes with the person and their relationship with money. However thanks for the video. It gave me a clearer point of view since I was told why go back to school when travel RN pays higher than NP's (if they added some extra shifts). I am almost halfway with my NP program for acute care. Thanks Bro.
Because they went straight into NP without bedside experience.
Let’s not forget the horrible employment contracts! Filled with limiting contractual terms!
Yeah you could have three or four Admissions and four discharges and one day on the unit and those Admissions and take an hour and the documenting at least half that long and you have to write a summary on patients that are discharged that is also about two pages.
In Australia you need to first be an RN and then gather 4 years full time experience in your specialty (2 of which has to be an advanced role). Then you qualify to enrol into NP school. Here we only have about 2200 NPs nation wide!
They can travel as a np and make money that way. I seen 80-125 an hour as psych np for travel positions.
Yeah, it’s definitely dependent on the specialty. Psych can make money but you can’t say the same for most specialties.
I made 120.00/ hour as a travel RN. Currently I am a NP....I make less. ...and have more stress.
@@jmh-1002 what travel nurse agency did u go through
Regarding the ad for lifestyle coaches: If a licensed nurse is going to go so far as getting into lifestyle coaching here she would probably do better and make more money if they actually get into disease management coaching. Especially if you're going to charge them for eight months of training. Most of what you learned will be just practicing until you get good at it and so you could actually do well with a month of training in lifestyle coaching unless you are coming into it with no training because you are a civilian with no Health Care license. For license nurse the focus would be on learning motivational interviewing and health psychology and privacy and frankly sales because you are selling people you've never met the idea that they need to take better care of themselves and that you can give them the information and support to do so. For example after you've hung up with a patient if you are still documenting things in your computer you have the freedom to snack because you're not on camera anymore and you can't do that at the nurses station for at least three decades now, but at the nurses station when you need to stretch your legs there is always something down the hall that you need to be doing and you'll be lucky if you sit down for half an hour every shift. If that's easier for you than sitting for 8 to 10 hours and only getting up for a total of an hour per day sometimes less than Health coaching and disease management coaching maybe for you.
For psych is there no template you can use for charting? In hospitals most are copying and pasting from one day to the next, and/or using templates
Typically you’ll use generic ones and add it certain things that the organization requires based on their standards. Yeah, most people will copy to keep the pertinent information there and just change the things that might be different. Just be careful that it makes sense if you do just copy and paste all the time
I agree.. work life balance would be the reason I’d return to psych bedside nursing😕
As for charting, it seems that’s all I do is chart. 7 days a week..
What context do you work in as a psych NP?
Yup, exactly. I remember when I was seeing 20-30 pts a day and the charting was horrendous especially when comparing to to being a psych RN.
@@Test-zn9rs I'm an FNP for a behavioral health group under supervision of a psychiatrist/MD. I provide psych services at SNFs. I return to school in January '23 for PC-PMHNP. I've been a psych nurse for over 21 years but went through FNP program first. I still ask myself why I did that first lol
@@dvsbeauty13 Thanks a lot for your reply! I was asking the specific context because I haven’t hard a lot of psych NPs mention so much charting. How much time would you say you typically spend charting “off the clock” versus billable hours?
I left NP job, is I was fed up by MDs dumping their work on me then go on vacations or be just plain inconsiderate
NPs are not going back to bedside. They are going back to bedside TRAVEL/CONTRACT nursing. Big difference. No staff nurse makes more than an NP.
It all depends on location. In parts of south Florida where I live I see NP jobs being advertised all the time for very low salaries...as low as in the high $30s to $40s per hour, and you need to be bilingual and see up to 30 people a day. Whether you want to or not, if you're the NP who's working a gig like that you're automatically doing a lot of unpaid OT to keep up with the documentation. And If its an urgent care you will be seeing a whole lot more than just 30 people a day. I know experienced staff RNs who earn that and more if you add in shift diffs and OT. Travel and Contract RNs here can make significantly more if they're in a specialized area.
In some states, bedside RNs who work for certain systems in parts of the state earn a whole lot more than most NPs there, even excluding OT. I know this to be a fact in California and a few other states.You are correct that many NPs went back to travel/contract nursing over the past couple years...especially during COVID. The $$$ those contracts were paying was insane! But that has mostly dried up now. I don't that those NPs stayed in the bedside RN role for long after the pay went back down. For too many it would mean a permanent return to all the stuff they went to NP school to get away from. I suspect that some of them didn't go back to the bedside at all but that they went into other areas of nursing or quit the profession and moved on to other things.
Haha, my mother in law is an icu nurse making 300k yearly by working almost everyday and stacking up on that over time pay plus night shift differential not a very work life balance but she is making more than some doctors.
That last one 👍 As a healthcare provider, NP, RN, LMFT, MD’s I think the ones that are really good, have thought about opening there open businesses and work for themselves. Yes, some have to go back to the workforce due to the economy. Especially now, but there is something magical and ful-filling when you have more control over your work and personal life. Not for everyone but it’s better when you are not just working for the money and seeing other people patients.
Yess, I one hundred percent agree. Working for yourself is the best thing I’ve done and I wish I would have done it sooner, but I’m not gonna lie, there are days I wish I can just work from someone else and do other side things
very informative...thanks for making this video
Understandable perspectives
Thanks
I'm actually making less money as a NP per hour for sure 😂 I just love my job as psych NP, so I'm staying as a psych np ;)
yeah, i love my job soo much as a psych np
right now Hi am afraid of nurses the fake nurses is all over in the hospital in the group home they all over they should find them before they kill people especially the edaly
I think they’ll be back . Many want to travel for the $$ but they can do travel np too.
I agree but who knows what jobs will be like then. People that hate bedside or don’t like these working conditions are trying to be NPs as well.
What about NP in telehealth or own your own practice?
Always had interest in becoming a psychiatric nurse practitioner but do not want to take a pay cut 😩
You should totally do it, but there’s no guarantee you will get paid significantly more as a NP. The probability is higher but I know some are getting paid way less but they are okay with it because they wanted to leave bedside so badly
Thanks for speaking on this topic it's long over due because I been noticing a lot of new grad nps are saying they are not making the money the stress of there job and like you said opportunities. I have friends are traveling making bank that's why I had to do my research before jumping . Im a nursing student Ill be perfectly fine as a rn because there are so many opportunities and money to be made .😊 Thanks again great video
@@LifeofaPsychNP you can make more as a PMHNP, or you can make less. I know people in So Cal making mid 6 figures and others making low 6 figures (as much as I am as a part-time ER nurse)
@@nicolebutler8271 thank you so much for the support and you’re right. For some reason people think becoming a NP is a progressive thing and something you have to do when you become an RN, but it’s not. There are sooo many opportunities as RNs and you can make way more than some NPs. I love your thought process! Best of luck in school
@@djxpress yup, it totally is dependent on your career as a PMHNP. If you wanna see a lot of patients and are willing to bust your butt, you can make a lot. When I say a lot, I mean 400-800k a year. But if you don’t wanna see alot and want a balanced life, you probably won’t make as much.
Can you not do Psych NP and PRN RN?
Are RN boomers not retiring?
Doesn’t seem like anymore. Now that a lot of portfolios are down, they have to work
I have sat for Nurse practitioner Exam for the 4th time now and still failed, i guess licence isn't meant for people like me😭😭😭😭
I failed 2 times, i lost money to reviews that never helped but the major thing is that I've not lost hope
The Nurse practitioner exam is really frustrating, I can't believe I failed again after studying so much🥺🥺😓😭😭
I'm not here to convince for her but to share my testimony for what I confirmed, she’s Trust worthy and best option ever seen, thanks Mrs Catherina Alison, God bless you, I've never seen or heard any of her clients has complain of failed. I think she's just too lucrative and perfect for this job
Yellow scrubs should be given to the patients who eat honey mustard packets
I’m curious. Not challenging you but where is your evidence that “so many” NPs are leaving their roles? Are you going off of your own experience, studies, etc.?
Where is your evidence that they aren’t.
I don’t care I’d make 90k as an np; I want my peace. The bedside is toxic
how much do psych nurses not NPs but regular psych nurse or new grad nurses in psych make because i want to transition there after my residency in med surg? i do plan to go on and get a higher degree but that remains to be seen in the future for now i want to know how much regular psych nurses make, if possible
Psych RNs pay is lower than average it depends on your metro area. Sign up for ziprecruiter/linked in/etc. to get emails about salary in your area
I'm a new nurse on a psychiatric unit in Florida and I make about $30 an hour. I get a dollar extra for weekend pay and if I did nights I'd get an extra $5. It's not amazing, but I can pay my bills and my schedule is nice. I will say, that I've only been a nurse for 6 months and I'm already drained. Depending on the state you work in your pay could be more than mine, Florida is usually behind on that stuff anyway lol
@@nikolamalkovich9575 what about NPs
Thank you for these videos!
Thank you for the support! :)
Dude my ADHD won't let me continue listening
put speed on 1.5x
Ok
Yeah, I just had to pay $5000 for my liability insurance because I am a 1099 employee.
Wow What's your specialty?
I guess it's their choice. At least they can, as a lot of PAs don't have that choice as they are not RNs. I don't know any RN who makes more than I do as an NP. Plus, those RN jobs... done that, don't want to do it again for any amount of money. Way more patients and stress as a bedside RN. I also don't know any NP that would or has gone back to the bedside. Can you tell me where you got your info? Thanks.
I am a bedside RN and I actually have some travel colleagues who are NPs but are doing travel contracts at bedside because of the money. Just saying that there are nurses like that …
You're suggesting that his information is anecdotal, but yours is too. Just because you don't know any RNs who earn more than you do as an NP doesn't mean that there aren't any RNs who earn more than you do or that there aren't many RNs who earn more than you do.
I read many nursing and medical journals and there are quite a few articles that have been published in them about this particular topic. Google is your friend. There are more than a few articles about NPs who left the NP role to go back to bedside...especially during COVID, when many RN gigs were paying over $100 per hour. Even here on TH-cam there are many videos that NPs have posted explaining why they left the NP profession.
There's plenty of nps going bk to bedside, i av one on my unit. She says its more work, responsibility, liability nd the pay as the same as staff.
Is it not true that psych NPs earn more than FNPs? I've decided to specialize. Planning on outpatient private practice.
That's true
Great video
Thanks, Kuya
You’re welcome ☺️
Now that the pandemic is ending, hospitals are dropping the rates. Trust me not as many bedside RNs are getting paid like they were. Maybe a few here and there still are but from what I seeC it’s changing back.
What liability insurance do you use please
I'll comment once I'm retired 💔💔💔
NPs get no respect from some physicians and patients
Do u still enjoy being a Pysch NP? What are the cons versus bedside nursing, to you.
# Spill The Beans !!!
The last reason was THE reason why I NEVER fell for the trend.
This video is long winded and uninformative! Sheesh!
Sounds like more health care providers want more money and less work.
You make it sound like that’s a bad thing.
Because they're incompetent.
I prefer to see an MD. I can’t stand NP’s as a provider.
Ok
Good for you. Many people can't stand MDs as a provider either.
@@FallacyAsPraxis nurse practitioners follow a script. That’s it. They came on board at a time when entrance to medical school was down. Now they are so dumb they say… here I am exploit me…
Ctfuuuuu 😂 so irrelevant.
@@PMHNP_Mo I always refuse to see a NP.
Beta male
Your point??
Haha exactly, they are probably just mad that a “beta male” is doing better in life compared to them lol
@@LifeofaPsychNP yep. You're making moves, don't worry about the haters.
@@djxpress thank you 🙏🏽
Ya why not just become a doc. Most NPs are messing up rx of my pts! Your education needs to be increased for unsupervised prescribing. PAs should prescribe before NPs can!
BECAUSE OF CEREBRAL.