@borzafror and that's fair! It is good that weapon hogging isn't extremely OP or anything like that. I just think there's ways to go about nerfing it without make it too bad.
Yeah gonna have to hard disagree on this one. I don’t wanna just flat out say “skill issue” but especially at higher elo learning to play unarmed well is necessary to make any meaningful advancement in ranks. The problem with nerfing even Dair or Dlight is that unarmed would lose any and every semblance of chance it had to fight back against other opponents who have weapons. I don’t know about y’all but I do NOT want to play a game where not getting the first weapon means I already have to forfeit a stock (or more) to my opponent. Especially with how bad unarmed simply gets completely overpowered by the vast majority of the weapons in the game. Katars, Sword, Lance, Blasters, Orb, BB, GS, Gauntlets, Bow, Scythe are all weapons with a positive matchup against unarmed.
@MurphyTheFish nah dw! That's why I think even something as simple as a damage nerf could keep it still as good of a fighting tool for a weapon while making it more as something you don't want to play. Cause I feel like having more damage than one of the actual weapons in the game is a bit weird hahah.
@JGLU100 that's actually funny you say that, because that match in particular was reused footage from my borderlands vid from around a month ago! It's the 2nd match IIRC.
Unarmed feeling so unfair is the result of the balance team nerfing every single weapon these past 3 years. They remove drift, increase lag, nerf hitboxes from time to time while unarmed remains well, untouched.
Unarmed is fair imo, I feel like winning a match should solely depend on your execution and skill as a player. The opponent is a constant threat and shouldn't be underestimated with regard to them having to use their stubby little limbs to fight back. If anything I'd say losing to unarmed is a skill issue since you have fatter hitboxes and higher damage in comparison when you have a weapon. So spacing is your best friend... as it always is... Lmao🤘🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Unarmed is definitely a disadvantage on stage. Only problem I've ever really had with it is just how good unarmed dair is offstage. I think maybe if they could make it have less priority or something that would be a good change.
@isloths definitely! I think the bit Nixlover explained at the end about aerial weapon light attacks not prioritizing over aerial unarmed light attacks is a good point.
Something I've said for a long time is at the TAS level, the best weapon in Brawlhalla is probably unarmed because of the insane startup allowing for wake ups and instant counters, imagine a chosen bot playstyle with the brain of a top player in the world type thing. At the very least it should deal less damage and be less about being a weapon and more about "get off me" while seeking a weapon if it's gonna have frame data like THAT.
That's a good point! I completely forgot unarmed is absolutely menacing when it's a chosen bot using it. Of course you meant as a TAS tool, but it just reminded me lol. 😅
if unarmed was added to a weapons tierlist, i feel like it'd be high A to low S given how many true combos it has, paired up with its speed and low recovery time and boots being essentially on par if not slightly worse than unarmed in terms of damage is so sad, like... what happened to the "battle" part of battle boots? 😭
I think I understand the low damage on boots due to it being a string heavy weapon like katars and scythe. But even katars and scythe do a much better job at stringing, *and* have overall better damages. Hell, even battle boots GP and Gauntlets GP are practically the same move, but battle boots GP has significantly less damage for seemingly no reason.
@@LtLuverladyi think thats because bb have less recovery frames on most of its attacks, so if you mess up a combo you can just backstep and try again. Which is also a big reason that makes me hate bb
I think there's a few attacks on boots dlight and bow dlight that don't go true. With unarmed, you can even combo DLight into GC DLight, while even with bow dlight and boots dlight, you cannot.
@LtLuverlady that's true. Bow is my favorite weapon... aside from scythe. I'm a random main... so I try an learn all options. I'm a vallhallen in the making. 9 months in.
I think unarmed having more string damage is fair especially when you realize it has no kill confirms other than d-heavy, which only kills on mostly dark red (on mid defense legends). So being unarmed should give you the chance to build up damage to that health-range at least
I suck without weapon, i have to admit. I have the bad habit of throwing weapons and other stuff to my enemy (eg you can edge guard from a throwing distance) so sometimes the map gets depleted but i try not to do it on purpose. Anyhow, being unarmed sucks.
Every time I get a stalk i let the person respawn and get a weapon. It's just my thing. I get a weapon you get a weapon let's fist bump good fight. But when they weapon starve me it just boosts my ego. Because it shows that they are shiting their pants because they can't win without me being unarmed. The thing is most the time I still win anyways because I like to troll and do weapon throws all the time. I do unarmed training against Chosen bots for warm-ups. Also fuq Battle Boots nerf it and buff unarmed.
@paolocompagni9952 comes closest, but not nearly as much. I still think hammer might be the one that rivals it more with... Dlight gc nlight, dlight slight, dlight gc dlight, gc dlight nair, dlight sair, dlight reverse nair, and dlight recovery/gc dlight recovery. Plus the whole load of dlight nsig true combos hahah. Both have a whole lot of dlight combos. I think I did take boots into consideration, but did hammer over it because it have more solid dlight combos than boots does.
i suppose its true that setup into signature is a very powerful combination, hammer does benefit from it but most hammer legends are old and lack that as a follow-up. Sentinel, Gnash, Kor, bodvar, Teros dont always have dlight nsig true, magyar, thor and scarlet do and that gives them an edge, but if you need to read a dodge to go for that followup you can probably go for a better option unless youre certain it kills.
As many commentators having pointed out at tourneys, unarmed is a weapon. And considering the lack of priority, I think the high damage is justified. As for unarmed being not a pleasure to fight against, we all have our weapons that we don’t like fighting against. For some it’s boots, for others it’s Lance, and it sounds like yours is unarmed. I’m not saying you’re bad at playing against them. Just that you find the matchup boring.
@@LtLuverlady Well if they choose death, let that be their doom. But I also think that it’s nice to have some way to fight back against weapon hogs, as you mention in the video. I should really work on my unarmed skills for this exact reason. Brawlhalla players look to exploit any weakness they can pinpoint, and a reliance on a weapon is definitely a weakness
This video sucks. I'm unsubbing and doxxing you as well.
Says the guy that has Fluffy in his channel name
Says the guy that has idiot in his channel name
i prefer more counterplay against weapon hogging then unarmed not feeling like a big enough disatvantage
@borzafror and that's fair! It is good that weapon hogging isn't extremely OP or anything like that. I just think there's ways to go about nerfing it without make it too bad.
@@LtLuverladyi despise ppl who hog its so toxic and cringe
Luverladdy:Unarm is bad
Riptider:Ok
Yeah gonna have to hard disagree on this one.
I don’t wanna just flat out say “skill issue” but especially at higher elo learning to play unarmed well is necessary to make any meaningful advancement in ranks. The problem with nerfing even Dair or Dlight is that unarmed would lose any and every semblance of chance it had to fight back against other opponents who have weapons.
I don’t know about y’all but I do NOT want to play a game where not getting the first weapon means I already have to forfeit a stock (or more) to my opponent. Especially with how bad unarmed simply gets completely overpowered by the vast majority of the weapons in the game. Katars, Sword, Lance, Blasters, Orb, BB, GS, Gauntlets, Bow, Scythe are all weapons with a positive matchup against unarmed.
@MurphyTheFish nah dw! That's why I think even something as simple as a damage nerf could keep it still as good of a fighting tool for a weapon while making it more as something you don't want to play. Cause I feel like having more damage than one of the actual weapons in the game is a bit weird hahah.
@@LtLuverlady that I agree with, maybe even a slight force nerf on GP
I need to know how that last game ended
@JGLU100 that's actually funny you say that, because that match in particular was reused footage from my borderlands vid from around a month ago! It's the 2nd match IIRC.
Aww the match seeemed interesting, for real. Thanks for the video btw
Unarmed feeling so unfair is the result of the balance team nerfing every single weapon these past 3 years.
They remove drift, increase lag, nerf hitboxes from time to time while unarmed remains well, untouched.
Unarmed is fair imo, I feel like winning a match should solely depend on your execution and skill as a player. The opponent is a constant threat and shouldn't be underestimated with regard to them having to use their stubby little limbs to fight back. If anything I'd say losing to unarmed is a skill issue since you have fatter hitboxes and higher damage in comparison when you have a weapon. So spacing is your best friend... as it always is... Lmao🤘🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
mmm....nerfing priority seems like the best option to me. it makes it so you can still fight for the weapon. good idea.
unarmed is better than some weapons atp..
I queue into you now and then in ranked but I never knew you had a channel, nice
Remove boots 🤘🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥
Unarmed is definitely a disadvantage on stage. Only problem I've ever really had with it is just how good unarmed dair is offstage. I think maybe if they could make it have less priority or something that would be a good change.
@isloths definitely! I think the bit Nixlover explained at the end about aerial weapon light attacks not prioritizing over aerial unarmed light attacks is a good point.
Something I've said for a long time is at the TAS level, the best weapon in Brawlhalla is probably unarmed because of the insane startup allowing for wake ups and instant counters, imagine a chosen bot playstyle with the brain of a top player in the world type thing.
At the very least it should deal less damage and be less about being a weapon and more about "get off me" while seeking a weapon if it's gonna have frame data like THAT.
That's a good point! I completely forgot unarmed is absolutely menacing when it's a chosen bot using it. Of course you meant as a TAS tool, but it just reminded me lol. 😅
if unarmed was added to a weapons tierlist, i feel like it'd be high A to low S given how many true combos it has, paired up with its speed and low recovery time
and boots being essentially on par if not slightly worse than unarmed in terms of damage is so sad, like... what happened to the "battle" part of battle boots? 😭
I think I understand the low damage on boots due to it being a string heavy weapon like katars and scythe. But even katars and scythe do a much better job at stringing, *and* have overall better damages.
Hell, even battle boots GP and Gauntlets GP are practically the same move, but battle boots GP has significantly less damage for seemingly no reason.
@@LtLuverladyi think thats because bb have less recovery frames on most of its attacks, so if you mess up a combo you can just backstep and try again. Which is also a big reason that makes me hate bb
Boots needs a damage buff
Don't give my secrets. 1/3rd my playtime is unarmed. Boots is also dlight into anything is also true .... bow too I think
I think there's a few attacks on boots dlight and bow dlight that don't go true. With unarmed, you can even combo DLight into GC DLight, while even with bow dlight and boots dlight, you cannot.
@LtLuverlady that's true. Bow is my favorite weapon... aside from scythe. I'm a random main... so I try an learn all options. I'm a vallhallen in the making. 9 months in.
boots and bow are literally low tier tho
As a bow main i can confirm only bow nair and sair are true, everything else isn't
@@Metrojo831 I have hit dlight into ground pound true multiple times
but I like playing unarmed
Ive had pretty much the same realization recently
luverdady got a yt channel? nice
@@noobium5333 I do indeed >:)
I think unarmed having more string damage is fair especially when you realize it has no kill confirms other than d-heavy, which only kills on mostly dark red (on mid defense legends). So being unarmed should give you the chance to build up damage to that health-range at least
But i do luke the thought process. Im subbing
I suck without weapon, i have to admit. I have the bad habit of throwing weapons and other stuff to my enemy (eg you can edge guard from a throwing distance) so sometimes the map gets depleted but i try not to do it on purpose.
Anyhow, being unarmed sucks.
Every time I get a stalk i let the person respawn and get a weapon. It's just my thing. I get a weapon you get a weapon let's fist bump good fight. But when they weapon starve me it just boosts my ego. Because it shows that they are shiting their pants because they can't win without me being unarmed. The thing is most the time I still win anyways because I like to troll and do weapon throws all the time. I do unarmed training against Chosen bots for warm-ups.
Also fuq Battle Boots nerf it and buff unarmed.
D:
@@LtLuverlady That's just my opinion. It takes skill to beat someone with no weapon, tiny hitboxes, no force, limited finishing options 👀
Unarmed is basically better then boots bow and blasters atp😭
Not weapon hogging, weapon starving (potato patato)
1:55 Bro forgot about combat boots 😂
Dlight sair, dlight nair, dlight recovery, dlight cd dair, dlight gc slight, dlight(ai) nlight, dlight (ai) slight, its what comes closest
@paolocompagni9952 comes closest, but not nearly as much. I still think hammer might be the one that rivals it more with...
Dlight gc nlight, dlight slight, dlight gc dlight, gc dlight nair, dlight sair, dlight reverse nair, and dlight recovery/gc dlight recovery. Plus the whole load of dlight nsig true combos hahah.
Both have a whole lot of dlight combos. I think I did take boots into consideration, but did hammer over it because it have more solid dlight combos than boots does.
i suppose its true that setup into signature is a very powerful combination, hammer does benefit from it but most hammer legends are old and lack that as a follow-up. Sentinel, Gnash, Kor, bodvar, Teros dont always have dlight nsig true, magyar, thor and scarlet do and that gives them an edge, but if you need to read a dodge to go for that followup you can probably go for a better option unless youre certain it kills.
As many commentators having pointed out at tourneys, unarmed is a weapon. And considering the lack of priority, I think the high damage is justified.
As for unarmed being not a pleasure to fight against, we all have our weapons that we don’t like fighting against. For some it’s boots, for others it’s Lance, and it sounds like yours is unarmed. I’m not saying you’re bad at playing against them. Just that you find the matchup boring.
Nah I get whatcha mean. It's not when people play unarmed normally, but when they specifically choose out to play it over taking a weapon I suppose 😅
@@LtLuverladyI, personally use unarmed when I have a bad weapon matchup, or against someone whose sigs leave them in the air
@@LtLuverlady Well if they choose death, let that be their doom. But I also think that it’s nice to have some way to fight back against weapon hogs, as you mention in the video. I should really work on my unarmed skills for this exact reason. Brawlhalla players look to exploit any weakness they can pinpoint, and a reliance on a weapon is definitely a weakness
@@LtLuverlady Also, I’ve wondering for a long long while… Why Lt. Luverlady? Is there story behind it?
because you're bad