Land expropriation through the eyes of South African farmers | Talk to Al Jazeera In The Field
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- The question of land is a contentious political issue in South Africa, and one of the most divisive in the country.
Historically, black land ownership was undermined through decades of colonial dispossession and discriminatory apartheid legislation - measures which for many years prevented the majority of the population from owning property based solely on their race.
With the end of white minority rule in 1994, the democratic government made a promise of land restitution and a programme was put in place. It followed a "willing seller, willing buyer" model through which the government bought white-owned farms for redistribution.
However, despite this, progress has been slow and most of the country's farmland is still owned by white farmers.
It is estimated that white South Africans - who make up approximately nine percent of the country's population - own more than 70 percent of the commercial agricultural land.
Property rights are protected by South Africa's constitution, but to propel the stalled land reform process, the government is now considering a constitutional change that would allow it to expropriate land from white farmers without paying for it.
The move is controversial and has found criticism in some quarters. Others argue that a radical approach is needed to redress past racial injustices that still manifest in the high levels of poverty among black communities.
There are also supporters on all sides, who agree that land reform is essential for the future of the country. But many argue that the government needs to do more in order for it to succeed.
"I support land expropriation, but on specific issues or on specific land," Shimi Jonas Makoka, a black farmer, tells Al Jazeera. He emphasises that the issue is "not a blanket cover that every [white] farmer's farm is subject to expropriation".
"That fear must be diminished and clarity must be given to all farmers - commercial and upcoming farmers - that the government is not aiming at taking farms and grabbing the farms," he says.
Makoka is concerned that uncertainty around the government's land expropriation plan is causing a "stir" among white commercial farmers, which could threaten food security in the country - especially if upcoming black farmers are not supported to effectively utilise the land.
"We need thorough, continuous support until a farmer is established," he says. "You cannot take a farmer halfway, or just introduce him into this wilderness and then leave him out. We need support."
Leon Borcherds, a white farmer whose family has been in the industry since 1948, says land reform is "definitely" needed.
"The white farming community is ageing rapidly ... so we need new entrants into this market. We need entrance obviously of black farmers, we have never disputed that, and I think it's very important," he says.
But he adds that a major problem is the government's approach.
"I think the government has not made it such a priority in their plans, and there has also been a lot of corruption. A lot of the money has disappeared that was supposed to get to the farmer on the ground."
"Farms are being expropriated, but the title deed does not get to the black man at the end of the day," Borcherds feels, saying this prevents upcoming black farmers from getting the necessary financing to help their farms succeed.
"People don't know how to farm; train them, help us," he says to South Africa's government. "The white commercial farmer is more than happy to help the government in this, but [government must] create the platforms. There are a lot of plans, but politics is involved every time and we never get anywhere."
Borcherds says what is needed is a model whereby white commercial farmers can transfer knowledge to new upcoming black farmers and the two can work collaboratively.
Makoka agrees.
"We are prepared as Africans to take over the land and work on it. Nevertheless, we are expecting some assistance, like the skills that they [white farmers] have got; the experience in farming," he says.
"This is the time when white commercial farmers must come on board. They shouldn't be like a species that is endangered. They must be part of the whole land reform, and the mindset needs to change. This is our country, we are living here; all of us must pull together and then find the solution to the whole thing."
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This black farmer is a very sensible man . I can see why his farm is successful .
@Running Man they not lazy but are moving forward go there and see for your self, those who are begging is america, britain and australia as we speak july 2020 arw scrambling for lithium mining rights in zimbabwe because of tesla. They sanctioned zim now they begging zim hahahahahahahahahah only idiots refer to history and stay in history, again we no longer use the billion zim dollars all changed so if you want and think we still using them kindly join mugabe, rhodes and smith where they are, lastly zimbabwe is for everyone born there its their right, the lancast agreement was not honoured and it shaped us
yea maybe the only one of them
@Seppe Tank how is it?
@Seppe Tank he looked like a placed stooge...I lived in SA as a young kid for 15 months so look out gor news
What is the point of a title Deed if the government can come in and expropriate the land????
Govt. will not expropriate land from black farmers.
Those deeds are not valid in the 1st place giving yourself title to land you are not entitled to will not save you.
@@chiyenyumba7135 if they’re not valid, then Zim is no good. When Mugabee changed the constitution to stay longer as president, is when I knew the country was no good. Trust is GONE. It will stay unstable for a very long time.
@@chiyenyumba7135but the bantus migrating from the north into the lands of the Khoysan is ok? 😂
Why should you be able get a farm for free just because you are black???
This is the same land that was taken from our forefathers.
@@ZolaMhlabane-ss8bq who says you owned the land there?Are you koi San?There is no archeological evidence that black people owned all the land in Southern Africa all people have ancestry in Africa...
I'm black and I like the white farmers idea, his cooperation model to train and invest in partner black farms, is everything I thought about. No one loses, no disruption and everybody wins 👍👍
The reason it wil not work is that unlike white farmers African farmers do not have access to funds because they lack collateral security to access loans.
@@chiyenyumba7135 The collateral security will come from the white farmer once the black farmers are ready and he will also support them until they get to a favorable level of maturity in their own farm. After that, the black farmers can repeat the same process training and supporting other black farmers.
@@caforexltdca7615 there shouldn't be segregatory clubs of exclusive white only commercial farmers union models in Africa. That in itself is problematic.
@@chiyenyumba7135 I agree, that's why the best model would be an universal and cooperative one. Emphasis on the Cooperation, specially now in the infancy of black African rule.
@@chiyenyumba7135 There are no exclusive white only unions but there are exclusive black only farmers groups just as there are black only lawyers groups , business groups etc.
This was such a great interview, I came here and got surprised
Farming isn't easy - for anyone - government can't hold hands through all the processes.
So what?
You are right for both black and white so there's no point to say that.
Excellent interviews from both farmers
The truth is, Afrikaans are in a land that their ancestors invaded and stole from the indigenous. They've grown profitable farms, and built diamond mines, etc., on someone else's turf. And the people who were blessed with that land are being shut out and left with little to nothing to provide for themselves and their families. Most can't afford to purchase land...The Black South Africans are working as farm laborers and house staff...This has happened to Blacks and indigenous all around the world by people of European decent. The situation really is a sad one...in this case, the white farmer seems sensible. I hope some sort of an agreement can be met.
@avrahamyoel7039. "Afrikaans"is the language, the people are called "afrikaners"..
Those guys know their stuff. Politicians should take note and think some good policies through! Awesome
two insightful farmers with simple clear and emotional free ideas thanks Al Jazeera
i like how they do their best to stay neutral
Farming is hard, being on your knees all day it's a difficult job not for the faint hearted.
She's asking all the right questions
Why would the government give the land away once Expropriated, where they can lease it and sit back in luxury, as landlords? This policy of EWC is taken directly out of the book of communism. There is plenty land in South Africa that the government owns currently. Why destroy the current farmers that contribute to the tax base. Rather distribute the over 4000 farms that were expropriated years ago and increase tax base by increasing the farming base.
The bill actually affects both black and white people, contrary to this vid.
@Jamal Al-Uqdah lol
They lied to the blacks to get support for the legislation it cannot legally say whites only so they can steal from blacks now too and they will do so when it allows them to. They also wanted to takeover the cental bank of south Africa. This government is about lining their own pockets not helping the black people. The black people have been fooled into supporting it because the EFF is luring them in with their hate of white people and lying to them. They will reap what they sow
@@ItsMe-sv3mp whites are reaping what they sowed right now, while the BLACKMAN take their independence and land back
Jamal Al-Uqdah apparently so does the politician
dude man it worked well in Australia didn’t it ?
Very informative and nuanced discussion.
It was easy to take the land ,,but it is not easy to give it back ,what a joke.
Does the constitution change say WHITES ONLY? No so now they can steal blacks land too. Whatever they want they will take. They tried to takeover the Central Bank too. You people are just blind to the big picture. They want to take all the wealth and pocket it. It is NOT about saving poor blacks. Ask them where the millions of rands are that disappeared that was to be used for the water crisis in Cape town? They care not for you. They slaughtered all the miners who were striking at the world's largest platinum mine in cape town. Shot them down why? Because they were costing their pockets. Their pockets not your lives is what the ANC cares about.
@Jakes 97 you really dont know anything about the history of south africa. the history of land didnt begin 30yrs ago so shut up
Yeah wow.
Subsistence farmers cannot produce food for citizens like commercial farmers can. So large food producing farms broken up into smaller parcels of lands and given to previously disadvantaged and untrained, unsupported people are going to make some people happy to have some land but not feed SA citizens like commercial farms. 5 years to get to commercial farming; sounds like a massive mess. Theory in government is a disaster in practise.
Expropriation without compensation sounds like punshment for being a white landowning farmer?
The white farmers ancestors stole the land . It’s justice
“Land reform targeted at need for infrastructure and housing”. Then what about those lands that are near towns are well established as farms? What happens to feeding the cities if those land are taken?
When offering a sense of stability to farmers who’s land won’t likely be taken, will they be able to apply for certification to assure they won’t be affected by this law in the next 10years for example?
Not enough done by the government for sure.
There are 18 million black rural South Africans who live on 17 million hectares of black tribal land, which means that there are more black South Africans living on rural land than the total white population of South Africa put together. All black South Africans have land, but they are not allowed to own it because of the tribal land system. Except for the Zulus, all black tribal land is owned by government. So what is the point of farmland expropriation - All that it will do is put more and more farmland in the hands of government - Government does not give title to the land to the black people. No, government only leases it to black people, which is really nothing but the nationalization of farmland and at the end of the day we still have not resolved the land question, just as you have in Zimbabwe? So, the whole land expropriation is just a farce. People don't need land - People need jobs and here the government has been very successful at expropriating jobs from the whites through a process called affirmative action.
Tribal lands are not conducive for commercial purposes. In some cases the land is practically useless. In fact the apartheid government forced black people into these infertile land from their originally rich land, which is now occupied by white commercial farmers.
The tribal land you are reffering to are areas that blacks were forcefully settled in by White settlers.
The black farmer was hand picked ....make no mistake.
Why thinking like that? Now I understand why Malema has one solution to deal with the Boer
This has got disaster written all over it...give me give give me ends in no pride, no sweat investment, you can walk away when problems come without trying to save the business with no loss
i hope the land expropriated doesn't end up in the hands of politicians who doesn't want to farm. :-)
Give the president a break. His iq is no more than 70. What do you expected?
Stop being rude.
@@nicolene544 rude yes, but you dont deny it right? Do people gonna ignore the obvious fact that makes this country fail?
Theeraphat I have come to learn that wisdom has no IQ, and we so desperately need wisdom in this day and age. Share with us your wisdom and help us build our battered and bruised people/country!!!
There is so much land- no land needs to be expropriated!
This nonsense of sharing the land has nothing to do with government caring. It's about a government running out of ideas and choosing to give people land. Of 52 million South Africans how many of them can get the land share and how many have the capital, knowledge, and will to farm. Mugabe did this in Zimbabwe and look at where Zimbabwe is. The ANC is destroying South Africa and has no more lies to sell except to promise to give land
Millions of hectares of valuable arable & pasturable land land are in the hands of kings, chiefs and indunas in South Africa for many decades, which is completely left out of the equation and little said about. The truths about these millions of hectares, thousands of black people who live in the towns and cities have large allocated portions and have communal use on some portions of this land. Many have large herds of cattle, sheep and goats back at home at their homelands. Because these portions are not registered in the deeds office, it is purposely left out and not honestly brought into account when land is theoretically debated. It is about time that reality also brought into account. Many of these “portion owners” are far richer than revealed. It is common knowledge that many of these herds of livestock owners own up to 200 x head of livestock. Actually many millionaires in their own right, nobody speaks about that.
Well that was white regime design. They didn't give Africans deeds so that the land could not be economised. They can't get loans or anything using that land a deliberate design so that Africans remained poor. So you can't have the best of everything
They are not millionaires because the system left them out of land registry so that their land had no commercial value and so the government could easily move on and take it at any time
Is that an electric fence behind them.
I remember touching one when I was a kid.
Yeah they do have an uncomfortable feeling to them.
Corruption is corruption... no policy or hate can or will ever fix that.
There are, just because you don't know them you shouldn't go around claiming the two gentlemen just discuss ways in which everyone can benefit
This is sickening to watch!
Problem with the anc. They think not.
Kobus, I fully agree with you. People can blame whites all they like but ANC is the problem here
So it goes like this --you build a business or build a farming business and make a success of it , I see this and I like it, and I want it, but I’m not going to save up and buy it , so I sit and wait till it a success and I see the dollars rolling from it I don’t want to run it I just want the dollars from it-- , why should i buy itI when all I have to do is shout loudly it is our land and I get my brothers to shout loudly too and the louder I shout the more chance I have of getting it
sound familiar
Without a land policy, South Africa can' grow and develop its simple economics. There is no developed country that did have a policy like this at some time in their history.
Ayikho lento oyishoyo
@@mfundomncube8210 there are opinions and facts. I am speaking facts. Use your opinion but know it's based on fokol.
@@vuxulu kahle kahle uthini mina le statement sakho angisizwa nje nakancane, do you support land reform or not?
America?
Korea had one and it built their middle class
If the people want to stay, feed let the Farmers farm their own land. The government needs to help all the people. Stop picking the winners and losers.
Politicians only thinks political,to asure their electorate that they doing something positive while in reality what they cares more is about their fat pay what working politically not necessarily working economically.
Didn't we say years ago. When you expropriate farms and give it to somebody or break up the farms and give it to many people that You need capital and worthy credit loans from the bank on conditions. And this guy is just leasing it. Like a car
Mr. Borcherds (hope I spelt his name right), is the most balanced white man I have listened to from South Africa. Not those hotheaded "Afrikaners". He does not make everything about race even when the interviewer clearly wants to go that route haha. Good questions from her by the way and kudos to Mr. Jonas too for his simple and clear answers. Learned a lot from both farmers.
We need new governance,its a no brainer
Title deeds is a better proposition! Govt. must give grants to fledgling farmers to support them in their enterprise!
Thanks
As long as the citizens are treated as equals.
so you support people taking your land without compensation?
The white farmer here seems scared of reprisal because you can tell he isn't speaking his mind.
Wow someone can read people's minds, good for you champ good for you
Go to your nearest pit latrine and speak into it....
Famine is coming to Africa. Locusts are devouring everything in East Africa and drought in Southern Africa plus land reform in Zimbabwe and South Africa. Floods in USA and farm bankruptcy is up there due to this, fires in Australia with drought, fires in Brazil due to drought, too much rain in Europe in 2019, Floods and drought in India, overpopulation in China and India.
It all looks like a perfect a storm of problems.
I hate to say it but majority of the problems caused here in the US and from what I see in South Africa are us , ( whites ) who think they know it all and take all and never return to the rightful owners . As much pain and heartache we have caused to blacks , Natives and Aboriginal people , theres no wonder God hasn't shut us down already
Maybe Covid is a God send , we shall wait and see or die waiting. But the white picket fence is coming down very soon and that's a reality. Without love for our fellow man, in any color , we have division and with that destruction. Maybe we should read Revelations a lil more in detail .The curses are coming back to us ..
@@markodipper5657 you are a clown.....the Supreme Commander...our GOD....does not work in the stupid human way you describe....grow up...so says an Old African...
@James Hayes No such a thing
@@russellhaikney3809 😂🤣🤣🤣old Dutch who hates him s own identity as to call himself African
@James Hayes big mistake give them a crumb and they wanted the whole loaf 😂😂😂. Is that how it happened they gave them everything willingly including the power to govern and epitomise with apartheid
Let us share the land, we can't carry on like this. People can't servive without land.
Research Zimbabwe they also said that and look now government owns the land and they starving no food nothing can't eat the land
The people in upstate New York probably own 100X as much land per capita as the people in Manhattan. Yet Manhattan is one of the richest places in the world and they look down on upstaters as rubes and hicks. Land =/= prosperity. Farmers need a lot of land because they're farmers. It requires a lot of space.
@@adriaanloots7777 no one has starved in 🇿🇼. 😂 😂 😂. You wish it but it has not happened. 🇿🇼 People always relied on their communal rural areas to subsidise their city lives so they still survive.
@@adriaanloots7777 This nonsense of sharing the land has nothing to do with government caring. It's about a government running out of ideas and choosing to give people land. Of 52 million South Africans how many of them can get the land share and how many have the capital, knowledge, and will to farm. Mugabe did this in Zimbabwe and look at where Zimbabwe is. The ANC is destroying South Africa and has no more lies to sell except to promise to give land
This is exactly what the Bible says. For us all to work together - the color of skin does not matter.
Greed knows no boundaries, black guy only wanted free handouts. Pray for Africa
WalkonEarth 1913 land act was the definition of greed. EWC is necessary to reverse the legacy of 1913 land act, which expropriated black peoples’ land with zero compensation.
"black guy only wanted free handouts"....exactly the problem...not your racism towards whites.
Mark McAllister just like how whites got and still get free hand outs? The problem is you think because you’re white, you deserve the best and screw everyone else. White people have to realize they as equal as black people and they have to acknowledge the sins committed in their name, we simply dealing with the legacy of those sins. I don’t understand how that is asking for a handout
Racist black people destroy their country,white people are being killed .If they leave south africa is gone
@@dennisbouma7606 get lost then
So. Careful
What a beautiful woman doing the interview well spoken clever. I'm in love
That's a mouthful
The black farmer was an exception who got a loan.. Look at his shirt.. ANC
I'm black but i. don't. support the expropriation without compensation
Govt was stealing land that whites purchased already … that’s thievery
Im not all for that. But recently a man bought the farm we been living and feeding on for more than 2 decades. My father grew up in that land. Now a man with money is chasing us out of the land of our ancestors and threatening to shot us.
The ruling party better learn from this. Brilliant farmers with sober minds and clear vision for South Africa. Politicians, 😠 a group of scavengers are missing this opportunity for good discourse and calculated action. They line their pockets with money meant to facilitate this process, rhetorically scream land must be redistributed. They simply don't care...
Absolute truth...
I stand with white South Africans ✊🏻
Give them land in Ireland
@@zolanidingaan2511 absolutely, but our govt wants a different kind of immigrants
@@whatthefrickbro your government allows immigration like all countries, many Irish people are leaving Ireland for opportunities elsewhere.
Why do black people keep on talking like this land was stolen from them they immigrated to the south of africa. The original indigenous people of South Africa are the Khoisan people.
The Khoi san are black
@@orangegrainsniper5903 Point of correction 👍
Bantus have khoi San ancestry as well. Go and check, will be shocked to know alot claiming khoisan ancestry have none whatsoever. I personally know alot that thought they were Xhosa only to find out they more khoisan than Xhosa.!!
It's for grand mother she said i must give you
Owning land in itself will not benefit anyone if it is not applied correctly. Should I be given a farm today it does not mean that I will excel by default just because I wanted a farm. What it does mean, in my case, is the fact that I will in no time be down and out, land or no land simply because I have no knowledge of farming. Empower the people with knowledge too in turn empower others to become proficient farmers, and by doing so, turn our country into the paradise it can become. I have had the privilegen to travel far and wide and I can assure you, no country I have been to have the potential that South Africa has.
We just don't want any white people in our country
@@Loomy65 well my ignorant friend, to begin with this is not your country and furthermore, your ANC government cannot even keep the lights on so without white people here, this will indeed be darkest Africa. And by the way, who do you think will feed you, the EFF, think again, you will starve to be sure.
At this point I think they should just go through with the threat, it's racist and it's going to cause SA to more closely resemble its neighbours but its what the racist Majority wants so give it to them, to all non-black and the portion of the Black community that disagree with the direction of the nation you should move and prosper elsewhere, SA is fast becoming a lost cause and the collapse will be very dangerous.
They own most of the farms because they farm. Farms only make up 30% of all the land owned by government
They own because they inherited stolen land. The best farmers in Africa are the Bantus and they've done great in Rwanda, Nigeria, Botswana & Tanzania. It's time they take over SA.
@@nairobinyeusi5811 what happen to Zimbabwe?
@@nairobinyeusi5811 Sub-Saharan Africa is the most hungry place in the world yet Bantus are the best farmers?
@@Dennis-nc3vw don't try to use arguments on these types. They are totally lost.
Zimbabwe this, Zimbabwe that. You lot are on repeat. You don't have any other examples, do you? On this massive beautiful continent, you pick a tiny country and judge us all based on their failure. That's like me calling all white people Nazis because Germans f*cked up badly in the 30s and 40s.
Taking the farm land without paying for it is wrong most of the white farmers have bought their land and also I may add that the farms that have been passed on to black farmers have not been productive they have not been able to farm them in the way the white farmers did making their land pay not in a little but its actually a lot for whatever reason. And they were farmers who used to work on the land so what is the reason, a friend of mine actually says it is because even though they used to work on the land it isn't the same as knowing what to do and what not to do, and believe me I chose a polite way of saying what he said.
The simple fact is the BLACKMAN owns all the land in Africa, and whites should NOT own any land in Africa because whiteys don't belong in Africa
The simple fact is the BLACKMAN owns all the land in Africa, and whites should NOT own any land in Africa because whiteys don't belong in Africa
Rhodesia turned into Zimbabwe which turned into a flop. Rhodesia the bread basket of Africa, Zimbabwe the begging bowl of Africa
Not really. Ever been to Zimbabwe or you just reading the news?
@@t.e.stroud1781 I am from Zimbabwe
@@surpotel8016 Then you should know the situation isn’t as it appears in the media.
We don't beg,drought is the cause.
@@blessingmhlanga6782 Mugabe is the reason
Dutch Boers own 80% of these lands😱....how you ask!!?
Steal but cool
Keep that balance, 1 black 1 white 😎
Maybe the Chinese can buy it up, because they're so much nicer and fair then whites.
There was a barter system in south Africa
Who does the land belong long to before the colonization of South Africa
Black african natives
So by your logic Africans are not allowed to own property in the USA or Europe etc. because they are not native to those countries? It should only belong to Europeans or Native Americans? They lived there first so everything belongs to them...... How stoopid are you?
Xhoi- San were in SA long before blacks and whites colonised the territory.
@@reinerraymondo1586 native Americans. Europeans aren’t native to the Americas.
@@TheDtfamu89 why does it belong to them ? Did they buy it ? Did they create it ? No ....so it's not theirs. They just occupied it . Anyone can occupy any land if it don't belong to anyone.
Worked great in Zimbabwe? NOT
Is this the only argument you lot can come up with? Out of 54 countries, you choose the ONLY example where real Africans have not cared for themselves. And not even a significant majority of the population either. All this misplaced white pride has got to go. The land does not and will never belong to you.
It least they are not living on the pity white farmers
So how long do you have to be in a country before people accept that you belong there too ? 200 yrs 300 yrs or 400 yrs . Whites have been there since 1652 and it is their country too. So take the land from the commercial farmers and hand out little patches to everyone to grow one cabbage and one maize. Then the population will starve--no food ,no jobs, no money ! Oh and who is in the majority 50 million blacks and who is going to starve to death---those in the majority --you will have land but no food . Oh and who will you blame ??
Scares heal over time but a person's sense of pride and lineage is they're land. With that being said no amount of life or blood can be shade to keep once identity. African problems can only be resolved by Africans. No quarrels need to be mediated by any country, ace is an ace; spade a spade; Africa is African; Europe is European. Just be partial and draw a straight line. Think it's a major motivator for Black South Africans see no reason to compensate. With that being said it's not hard to grasp.
dread pirate or they could just work hard to regain their own pride. We did it hear in Jamaica 🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲 and we don't have a problem at all with the British still living here.
@@parchment543 And what do you own? Nothing! How can you be happy having crumbs of the table of the British in your own country. Why is it that only in black nations is a racial minority in charge of the economy? It doesnt make sense. As a race we are at the very bottom and until we take control of our own nations completely we will remain begging for money from the IMF and other Western countries. To this day they still scam us by giving us National loans with double digit interest rates.
Are black people educated in farming
Are Europeans now educated in farming? Since the Natives had to teach the Europeans how to farm in the New World, to avoid dying of starvation.
@@ocelotl7416are you referencing the pilgrims? That one specific time doesn’t mean white people have never been capable of farming outside of Europe.
Depends on your family and what there parents do but boer is more than just a farmer anyone can be a farmer not a great one but can be one. Not anyone can be a boer.
Al Jazeera can l please have contact of that black farmer?
look up the communist party in SA lol
he proberly is a high rank member !
@@TheRdamterror you are speaking nonsense
There seems to be a lot of overlap between whites in South Africa and the ethnically Chinese in Malaysia. After generations of anti-Chinese discrimination (culminating with the 1964 race riots), not just in spite of but specifically because the Chinese were the most productive minority in Malaysia, the ethnically Chinese gained independence in Singapore, now one of the wealthiest nations in the world, and the most economically free.
A nation that envy's the accomplishments of its most successful minorities does not deserve them, and will live shamefully off their welfare after destroying the very means of production they seize.
While the white farmer talk about inclusion the black talk about we we we black sad
I disagree with Leon, black farmers should not be in a any form of partnership with the white farmers unless they willingly do so for advise etc. The issue at hand is land ownership how do the black people get the land that was wrongly taken from them. Look at what happened with BEE??? how well is it helping black people.
Fun...non S Africans worried about S Africa lol
Cuz they are not seeing the big picture
They just want to feel smart/acting like they care
Not owend. Bougt.
It's clean smells good beutiful
A new oligarchy in the making. When you take land from one person and gift it to another person it is no different than taking money from one and giving to another. Yup, it's true leasing land means borrowing against the lease is much more difficult than using owned land. But if given the land and farmers borrow and fail the land goes to the banks and we're right back to where we are now. If you want land reform you need education reform first. And the country has to be the lender because capital is needed for productive (competitive) farming. The problem is so many people think getting land is the key to successful farming. That's false. Land is one ingredient. There's a lot of unused land. Capital is the issue and people with capital are not keen on lending money to people with no farming experience. A country could boot that experience by starting with helping small farms and letting those who learn and do well expand. Driving out the farmers with experience is shortsighted imo.
Zimbabwe 2.0
Why u care what will heppen go to EU and greet your forefathers.
Insecurity and you hude behind starvation, we wont farm they will starve, yes for some time we will starve Rwanda is feeding itself
You are dumb
It least Zimbabweans have their land
I want to get to know this woman. She's beautiful
The only way for land to be taken back is the way it was taken ,
@Retimix Crew your way is the fastest way to fuckup this already fucktup country.
@@ntsakomarete3437 always this little white suprimacists. hahahhah the people wake up and make friendship with china and russia.
Soon and you have big problems on
raw materials in the western world. China will support and help, where white western europe opress and destroy.
enesog you are a fool if you think China is your friend...it’s our new slave master of the future
Like the zulu's took it from the khoisan? By killing the khoisan men and stealing their cattle and enslaving their women? Is that what you are talking about?
Because in beginning black people wanted their own home land and to have their land with their wives and children.
In Slovenia we had simmilar situation ( land was taken in ww2) , but we paid all people who lost the land and there were no truble later. ;p
But blacks wants land whit out paying it ;) So sad , its going to be Zimbabve 2.0 ;(
They were already compensated through the land act of 1913 so this is all lies
Ok
the tax payers fund the government, not the other way
They'll never figure it out
corruptions....
Wakanda forever!!!
brnt034 hahaha
wo isn jetze koettelschiss sein vadder
Translation is of poor quality.
say wherever you wanna say it but the land belong to africa people , we have to respect that but we experience most of the time colonial master not happy for africa to progress and this things going on all over the world, there a lot black farmer in USA lost or their land being taken with white people and nobody say words so what the different when africa people demand their land back ..if they will starving let them be, you don't care about them anyway why you at like you care about their wellbeing ..white people should start learn and share stuff nothing will work for them in future ..
He had land but then took some better land
Ok eat
White farmers will cooperate when they feel safe from the marauders!
Just clean south Africa up.
It's such a nice country.
Look at all the buildings we white builder, and the nature and the weather..
So sad
why couldnt you do all of THAT in your native land? THERE WAS ZERO REASON to leave Europe since it was so superior and full of white builders and nature and weather.....
exactly
Go to your country in Europe and build
cinnamonstar808 if you would study history instead of looking at it from outside the windows you would know why the whites left their land to look for more our country would do so good that we needed more land for alll our people most of the time it was just normal people going out and taking land the country itself wouldn’t but after the people took some of the land instead of saying we’re independent they would go back to the United Kingdom and tell them that they took land for the kingdom making it part of the uk
@@awillaims8653 whites left their land because EUROPE FAILED THEM OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
PART 2: They came to new continents who figured out sustainably & balance with 🌳nature =𝒶𝓃𝒹 𝒻𝒶𝒾𝓁𝑒𝒹 𝓉𝒽𝑜𝓈𝑒 𝒸𝑜𝓃𝓉𝒾𝓃𝑒𝓃𝓉𝓈 𝒶𝓈 𝓌𝑒𝓁𝓁.
The south African politician is right "
𝐸𝓊𝓇𝑜𝓅𝑒𝒶𝓃𝓈 𝒷𝓇𝑜𝓊𝑔𝒽𝓉 𝒸𝓇𝒾𝓂𝑒 𝓉𝑜 𝒮𝑜𝓊𝓉𝒽 𝒜𝒻𝓇𝒾𝒸𝒶"
the Romans, the Greeks and world history BACKS ME UP
@@cinnamonstar808 and the blacks came from the north and invaded south Africa you nincompoops are no more native to south Africa than are the white settlers. You arrived the at the same time. The sans people are the ONLY natives to south Africa they are not black they are brown. ANd they were killed off by the black bantu's your kind. So get out of your house and give to one of the few surviving sans people. Same thing STUPID
Let them have the ,land give them all the land, let them rejoice in that,
Because its NOT , justified that , the past should be a stumbling block to any humans ,This earth ,this land, actually belongs to no one its almighty GOD who gave,land to ALL of humanity to live on,and work the lands,,, to sustain His hers families,and share of whatever ,with rest of human kind, be humbled that in fact, you DID ,build up ,and be humbled ,that in fact you were , ,approached ,,,to give part soil, and teach others how to work the lands. Come tomorrow GOD may not be so merciful,, to south Africa. Then, don't cry , when everyone ,,suffers,,and the land is no more!!only ,rivers of destruction, then ALL peoples, would be MADE to live and work together,
Plaasmoorde...
Just go for public ownership of the land so nobody owns it outright. This would settle the argument.
Beet sugar and honey have been used in Europe for over 1,000 years. The Chinesr invented pasta. Marco Polo brought it back to Iraly in the 1300's. The first people cultivate wheat were in the Middle East along the Tigris and Euphrates rivers in what is now Iran and Iraq. Although they are not European, they are white/Caucasian. Before you go there, my mother is black Ethiopian and my father white German.
Heiko Knőßler So white people are great at world commerce?
You said random stuff that's meaningless, its meant to prey on those who have an inferiority complex. To be accurate with such statements you need to pick a sweet spot in history, i would say the people who never exported nor imported food are really self-sufficient. handy capped (Handedness) people trade, on one side you have people who live in a desert on the other you have those who have ice most of the year. i cant believe you have taken something so normal and made it seem so special LOL!!!
it needs brain as well. And I afraid that most africans lack that organ
No joke about land reform take your land South Africans
Eat
The reform worked well in Zim but sanctions and drought due to climate change brought the worst.
Land reform gave 🇿🇼 self respect they will work their way up.
Why are 25% of Zimbabweans illegal immigrants in South Africa then? Why don't you stay in your wonderful country?
@@reinerraymondo1586Africans have not asked millions of dutch german french and English descendants in SA to make home their way first to their "civilised" motherland. Its funny how foreign races can easily become "legal" citizens all the way from across oceans whilst Africans can't meet the requirements. Mind you the ndebeles originated in SA about time they lay claim to their ancestral heritage. Conveniently Africans were not signatory to the Berlin conference which illegally cut up Africa into your so called countries...so Africans have no real obligation to observe those illegal boarders.
PS: Africa is sweet however it comes with the little inconvenience of the African people.
@@reinerraymondo1586 At least know facts before lying, SA cannot accommodate 25% of Zimbabweans.Stop flattering yourselves
@@blessingmhlanga6782 Google, you will find it's true .... probably now more like 50% .....you clearly have no idea of the size and capacity of SA.