They do big talk after leaving office even Obasanjo has a clear vision now, however talking and executing are two different things. We should have discussions or seminars on case studies on how to improve what has been done.
@@predomashau3336 I believe so but it all ended when MALEMA "died" for ZUMA.... Africans are generally not used to GOOD leadership. So we get what we deserve.
It's jealousy against good leaders that kill Africa. Mbeki is by far an intellectual who speaks educational paradigms that constitutes our ideal livelihood, always wishing to see him alongside Motsoaledi.
Sorry to burst your bubble but the bright mind was murdered with the knowledge of his colleagues. Chris Hani was his name the rest were puppets including the so called wise wise man you've referred to.
Don't argue with a person who refuse to accept your informed based assessment. When TM was informed about the decision of ANC to recall him, infact when Mr Mantashe delivered that letter to recall him from office, he took his jacket from the hanger and leave. The purse of the government was in good state. He knew how to generate funds for government projects.
I will normalize visiting his online lectures/ addresses.He is a man of integrity indeed, when you speak some truth and reprimand your fellow colleagues that doesn't always resonate with the majority.
Mbheki was removed bcs he was not too political.. But a leader.. A leader is likely to be hated by politicians... Like Mandela all South African politicians hate Mandela bcs he was not too political although he was operating in the political space.. Today Julius Malema hate Mandela with pasion.. Hate mbheki with pasion.. He's not alone even in the ANC they hate them with pasion.. He is a true leader.. Nothing more.. And in Africa we are not realy interested in honoring leaders but politicians..now we act as surprised Whn they loot the state intities..
Thanks for your comment Xoliswa. Having engaged with him several times, the Heavy Chef team concurs that Mr Mbeki is indeed an exceptionally smart individual.
I wish we (Africans) were wise enough to unite our continent by selecting Thabo Mbeki as our president. Africa Renaissance is deep rooted in his heart of hearts.
He is talking about radical transformation of education, addressing the challenge of creating graduates with competences suitable for the 4th IR. The existing 'plans' are not plans but mere visions or wish lists because lack of real know how about education, and understanding of change management. Crises provide too many distractions. Now universities are just empty credentialing machines.
This guy was in power for almost 10 years and he did nothing on education. Look at Kagame in Rwanda, with Grade 12 and military training. Look at how education was in his government.
He should be ashamed of his ignorance. White kids, since 1994 have excelled in ICT and that because they had a good grounding. Because he wasn't better prepared as he says he wasnt, black kids became a list generation. They did away with mathematics and science. We have very few black scientists, engineers, biochemists, agriculturalists etc. All because of this man and his OBE education model. 30 years later and black people live in penury gathering and selling whatever they can to survive.
He always had brilliant ideas just that he was/is too intelligent for most South Africans including ANC (Malema confessed to that) to understand he's ways of doing things
Your comment seems to lack a bit of run way because the former Presidents' of the Republic of SA are just 3. Which ones spoke about ideas after their tenure of office? And which platforms did they use to make known those ideas?
@@michaelflink8010 All of them talk about problems and little bit of solutions but they forget that they were once given the chance to run the country.
Mr President, my President. I know that the train of 4IR has started moving, the only action is, we must board. "The NDP 2030 is not a plan is indeed a vision" a good vision.
Its a tragedy that people wanted Zuma because they identified with how undignified and uneducated he was. People felt comfortable with a corrupt, dumb leader. They hated this man because he was like a real elder with wisdom and dignity. He's honest about not knowing things - now that's important - he makes the point that if you don't know about something, then you don't know that you don't know. Now we have people in this country who don't know that they don't know and they are our leaders and they work amongst us so we are doomed. The only solution is educating people and sharing skills. He did answer the question if you listen carefully. He's saying don't ask the people who don't know to make decisions on things that require specialized knowledge - that we should ask people who do know to advise and share their skills.
The last time the SA economy grew by 5% was during the Mbeki & Mandela runs. We have never reached 3% ever since he stepped down. I don't understand how they thought replacing an educated man with someone who never made it past grade 4 was a good idea. Look at where South Africa is now. We would be a different country today if all of that never happened.
I am not sure that it will work because WiFi is not Faibar Faibar is not for free public participation was not done properly. They missed led community's
So what exactly was (or is) the "problem with the education problem" in S.Africa ? . The former president beat about the bush without hitting the nail on the head . There wasn't even a nail that I could see , and he didn't point out any at the beginning , at the end or in the body of his speech .
If you go to the Thabo Mbeki Foundation you will find a full report on what he is talking about, the foundation with other partners has also started implementing the solutions to the problem. Please also look at some more recent videos of his.
You made me listen to this again and I sat with my pen and diary and I learnt a lot from your question. Thank you so much for challenging me to listen attentively and with understanding. I can't even begin to share my notes with you it's a lot, however take this with you, president said "the problem of unemployment needs to be addressed by correcting the education system". "If you don't know, what is it that you don't know, you cannot bring up any solution"... He further suggested what needs to be done. . It is what it is👍 Thanks hey⚘
@@bongiwematha5312 thank you for your interesting comment . I'm also taking something home from you . This one : "it is what it is" ! There are many different kinds of audience . A political audience is a gathering of like minded people who share the same party or political ideas . At such a gathering the speaker must communicate his thoughts quickly by stating his sympathies or loyalties and by explaining his ideas and how those ideas could help the gathering .Examples are political rallies and party delegates conferences . Another type of audience are religious congregations . People of the same faith assemble and ask a speaker to address them . A topic is selected and the speaker is asked to deliver a message . The speaker must stick to the topic , and he must take the religious worldview or morals , educational background and age group as well as other factors into account in his speech . And he must deliver his message and make it comprehensive , concise and compact . Then there is the student or learner type of audience . This type of audience is usually made up of school children , college or university students and post graduate students . This audience is usually assembled to learn something they don't know . And the speaker is usually a teacher , lecturer or professor . Here the speaker is expected to transfer information or knowledge that he has mastered to the audience in line with an agreed topic . And topic may be how to solve 4th degree quadratic equations or how to conjugate irregular French verbs . Whatever the topic the teacher must try to hit the nail on the head . There is the expert or the intellectual audience . With this kind of audience you're dealing with scholars , researchers , thinkers , scientists , and well educated people . A speaker does not really need to teach this group of people anything , as there is nothing they cannot easily learn on their own . What a speaker usually does in such a place is to share personal or professional experiences and insights . But even this sharing must be done in accordance with the agreed topic . Examples are seminars and workshops . Then there is the market audience . Here the speaker is usually a seller who is trying to sell something to potential buyers . Once again no beating about the bush : say what it is that you're selling , state the price , and how the item might benefit a buyer. Finally , but not the least , we have the entertainment audience . Here the speaker is trying to make people happy by , for instance , doing magical displays , singing a song , reciting poetry , or performing stand up comedy . In all these and countless other types of audience it is necessary to pick up the nail , show it to everyone in the audience , pick up a hammer and hit the nail on the head , in full view of everybody . If you don't hit the nail at the beginning you must do so in the middle or at the end of your speech . No dodging , no avoiding , no hiding . Humans are not telepathic which is why human language was invented. It's also why conferences , meetings and gatherings are held and speakers invited to address them . So if a speaker goes to a gathering and speak in parables on the topic "The problem with the educational problem in S.Africa" , without mentioning any problem in particular , I guess I found myself watching the wrong video .
There is the main problem he highlighted, the not knowing. My only issue with his statement is that it is guided by his era, making an error of erasing the progress made. There has been progress, but what is always lacking is the political will and sense of urgency.
He is not entirely right about his role as Chancellor. Indeed, a Chancellor has no executive responsibilities, and the only thing he needs to do once a year is to hand out the degrees. He can not, however, convene a council meeting by himself whenever he wants, without agreeing with the Vice Chancellor. That would be too disruptive.
One of Africa's brightest minds. Thank you Sir
True Bayeni we lost one of the greatest leader.
This man is the last of a kind.
Brilliant, Visionary and Legendary.
I think Mbeki should be a president again, this man has a clear vision of a prosperous South Africa and Africa as a whole.
But wasnt he President before... What did he do...
He is genuine honestly my brother
They do big talk after leaving office even Obasanjo has a clear vision now, however talking and executing are two different things. We should have discussions or seminars on case studies on how to improve what has been done.
@@predomashau3336 I believe so but it all ended when MALEMA "died" for ZUMA.... Africans are generally not used to GOOD leadership. So we get what we deserve.
Yes
It's jealousy against good leaders that kill Africa. Mbeki is by far an intellectual who speaks educational paradigms that constitutes our ideal livelihood, always wishing to see him alongside Motsoaledi.
“I don’t know enough about what I don’t know.” - A wise man once said 🙏🏽
Sorry to burst your bubble but the bright mind was murdered with the knowledge of his colleagues. Chris Hani was his name the rest were puppets including the so called wise wise man you've referred to.
Thabo is or was more intelligent than Chris even Chris knew that
If we know what is good for our country we must reinstate Thabo Mbeki
Reinstate good English misleader
This was the best state's man Mzanzi ever had.
@@mrsmohapi8972 this da best misleader statesman Mzansi ever had
Reinstate what Geez ?..sellout misleader
Don't argue with a person who refuse to accept your informed based assessment.
When TM was informed about the decision of ANC to recall him, infact when Mr Mantashe delivered that letter to recall him from office, he took his jacket from the hanger and leave.
The purse of the government was in good state. He knew how to generate funds for government projects.
An innovative and thought leader indeed!
The most well spoken and very intellectual president we've had so far in our country.
If he is the best ever... 😂😂😂🤣🤣
English 🤣🤣🤣
Hon. Thabo Mbeki was one of the best leaders of our country. The only reason he was removed was because of his education.
What was wrong with his education?
You mean...his integrity.
I will normalize visiting his online lectures/ addresses.He is a man of integrity indeed, when you speak some truth and reprimand your fellow colleagues that doesn't always resonate with the majority.
Mbheki was removed bcs he was not too political.. But a leader.. A leader is likely to be hated by politicians... Like Mandela all South African politicians hate Mandela bcs he was not too political although he was operating in the political space.. Today Julius Malema hate Mandela with pasion.. Hate mbheki with pasion.. He's not alone even in the ANC they hate them with pasion.. He is a true leader.. Nothing more.. And in Africa we are not realy interested in honoring leaders but politicians..now we act as surprised Whn they loot the state intities..
I realised I love our President when he was inaugurated
Moeletsi and Thabo 's Minds speaks a lot about Govan Mbeki. That is all i am saying.
I agree, big words and conferences cannot solve problems of our country... but is actionable things....
"i dnt wnt a nation of thinkers, i wnt a notion of workers/employees" John D Rackefeller
How much better is it to get wisdom than gold! and to get understanding rather to be chosen than silver!
Most highly intelligent President of SA
Thanks for your comment Xoliswa. Having engaged with him several times, the Heavy Chef team concurs that Mr Mbeki is indeed an exceptionally smart individual.
@@heavychef you are most welcome Chef
Misleader in chief
Look at his RYT hand big ring
Misleader
Best president we ever had...
Brilliant
And so on and so forth !
😀😀😀❤ that's my President Thabo at his best and so on and so forth
😅😂
I wish we (Africans) were wise
enough to unite our continent by selecting Thabo Mbeki as our president. Africa Renaissance is deep rooted in his heart of hearts.
U are the best Zizu
South Africa will never be blessed with this mind ever again...🙏🙏🙏
In education we started from Paper 1 to Paper 2.....I don't know on which paper are we now?
Father Thabo Mbeki is really smarth that supported by truly genuine and honestly
He is talking about radical transformation of education, addressing the challenge of creating graduates with competences suitable for the 4th IR. The existing 'plans' are not plans but mere visions or wish lists because lack of real know how about education, and understanding of change management. Crises provide too many distractions. Now universities are just empty credentialing machines.
This is pure truth.
This guy was in power for almost 10 years and he did nothing on education. Look at Kagame in Rwanda, with Grade 12 and military training. Look at how education was in his government.
He should be ashamed of his ignorance. White kids, since 1994 have excelled in ICT and that because they had a good grounding. Because he wasn't better prepared as he says he wasnt, black kids became a list generation. They did away with mathematics and science. We have very few black scientists, engineers, biochemists, agriculturalists etc. All because of this man and his OBE education model. 30 years later and black people live in penury gathering and selling whatever they can to survive.
@@awb9012 You are right. Taking responsibility is not on this politician's list of competences.
Was there ever a 20pg document that was created or put out?
Yes indeed - insideeducation.co.za/2019/09/09/people-are-key-to-unlocking-sas-potential-says-thabo-mbeki-unveiling-his-foundations-report-on-education-and-4ir/
@@heavychef fantastic
How many advisors did you have
I was honestly expecting to hear more from the president concerning education, but very informative nonetheless.
ANC Leaders are the same.After their tenure they suddenly have bright ideas.
He always had brilliant ideas just that he was/is too intelligent for most South Africans including ANC (Malema confessed to that) to understand he's ways of doing things
Which other former ANC is having bright ideas afana nalawa ayenawo esaphethe.
Why didn't they implement them.
Your comment seems to lack a bit of run way because the former Presidents' of the Republic of SA are just 3. Which ones spoke about ideas after their tenure of office? And which platforms did they use to make known those ideas?
@@michaelflink8010 All of them talk about problems and little bit of solutions but they forget that they were once given the chance to run the country.
In the presence of Black Excellence they are nowhere to be found, nothing to comment about cause they stand to divide instead
Did they implement this idea from President Mbeki
Mr President, my President. I know that the train of 4IR has started moving, the only action is, we must board. "The NDP 2030 is not a plan is indeed a vision" a good vision.
Its a tragedy that people wanted Zuma because they identified with how undignified and uneducated he was. People felt comfortable with a corrupt, dumb leader. They hated this man because he was like a real elder with wisdom and dignity. He's honest about not knowing things - now that's important - he makes the point that if you don't know about something, then you don't know that you don't know. Now we have people in this country who don't know that they don't know and they are our leaders and they work amongst us so we are doomed. The only solution is educating people and sharing skills. He did answer the question if you listen carefully. He's saying don't ask the people who don't know to make decisions on things that require specialized knowledge - that we should ask people who do know to advise and share their skills.
The last time the SA economy grew by 5% was during the Mbeki & Mandela runs. We have never reached 3% ever since he stepped down. I don't understand how they thought replacing an educated man with someone who never made it past grade 4 was a good idea. Look at where South Africa is now. We would be a different country today if all of that never happened.
I am not sure that it will work because WiFi is not Faibar Faibar is not for free public participation was not done properly. They missed led community's
T
he only time SA had a president.
He's an exceptional leader isn't he?
We miss you president
Part of the problem
So what exactly was (or is) the "problem with the education problem" in S.Africa ? . The former president beat about the bush without hitting the nail on the head . There wasn't even a nail that I could see , and he didn't point out any at the beginning , at the end or in the body of his speech .
If you go to the Thabo Mbeki Foundation you will find a full report on what he is talking about, the foundation with other partners has also started implementing the solutions to the problem.
Please also look at some more recent videos of his.
You made me listen to this again and I sat with my pen and diary and I learnt a lot from your question. Thank you so much for challenging me to listen attentively and with understanding.
I can't even begin to share my notes with you it's a lot, however take this with you, president said "the problem of unemployment needs to be addressed by correcting the education system". "If you don't know, what is it that you don't know, you cannot bring up any solution"... He further suggested what needs to be done.
.
It is what it is👍 Thanks hey⚘
@@bongiwematha5312 thank you for your interesting comment . I'm also taking something home from you . This one : "it is what it is" !
There are many different kinds of audience .
A political audience is a gathering of like minded people who share the same party or political ideas . At such a gathering the speaker must communicate his thoughts quickly by stating his sympathies or loyalties and by explaining his ideas and how those ideas could help the gathering .Examples are political rallies and party delegates conferences .
Another type of audience are religious congregations . People of the same faith assemble and ask a speaker to address them . A topic is selected and the speaker is asked to deliver a message . The speaker must stick to the topic , and he must take the religious worldview or morals , educational background and age group as well as other factors into account in his speech . And he must deliver his message and make it comprehensive , concise and compact .
Then there is the student or learner type of audience . This type of audience is usually made up of school children , college or university students and post graduate students . This audience is usually assembled to learn something they don't know . And the speaker is usually a teacher , lecturer or professor . Here the speaker is expected to transfer information or knowledge that he has mastered to the audience in line with an agreed topic . And topic may be how to solve 4th degree quadratic equations or how to conjugate irregular French verbs . Whatever the topic the teacher must try to hit the nail on the head .
There is the expert or the intellectual audience . With this kind of audience you're dealing with scholars , researchers , thinkers , scientists , and well educated people . A speaker does not really need to teach this group of people anything , as there is nothing they cannot easily learn on their own . What a speaker usually does in such a place is to share personal or professional experiences and insights . But even this sharing must be done in accordance with the agreed topic . Examples are seminars and workshops .
Then there is the market audience . Here the speaker is usually a seller who is trying to sell something to potential buyers . Once again no beating about the bush : say what it is that you're selling , state the price , and how the item might benefit a buyer.
Finally , but not the least , we have the entertainment audience . Here the speaker is trying to make people happy by , for instance , doing magical displays , singing a song , reciting poetry , or performing stand up comedy .
In all these and countless other types of audience it is necessary to pick up the nail , show it to everyone in the audience , pick up a hammer and hit the nail on the head , in full view of everybody . If you don't hit the nail at the beginning you must do so in the middle or at the end of your speech . No dodging , no avoiding , no hiding .
Humans are not telepathic which is why human language was invented. It's also why conferences , meetings and gatherings are held and speakers invited to address them . So if a speaker goes to a gathering and speak in parables on the topic "The problem with the educational problem in S.Africa" , without mentioning any problem in particular , I guess I found myself watching the wrong video .
There is the main problem he highlighted, the not knowing. My only issue with his statement is that it is guided by his era, making an error of erasing the progress made.
There has been progress, but what is always lacking is the political will and sense of urgency.
He is not entirely right about his role as Chancellor. Indeed, a Chancellor has no executive responsibilities, and the only thing he needs to do once a year is to hand out the degrees. He can not, however, convene a council meeting by himself whenever he wants, without agreeing with the Vice Chancellor. That would be too disruptive.
When is his honourary degree coming?
Natty ❤
Time to act not talk show(Kim Matikinca)
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