The Passive-Aggressive Covert Narcissist (Interview with Debbie Mirza)

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    • @BERONICAM
      @BERONICAM 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

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    • @terrohl
      @terrohl 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

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  • @johnwentz3925
    @johnwentz3925 6 ปีที่แล้ว +901

    The biggest danger in my opinion with the covert is that you don't see it. Fifteen years with mine and I only discovered it about 3 months ago. The abuse is subtle, can go on for years, slowly escalates because you become more accustomed to the crazy making, and it is intermixed with breadcrumbs of sweetness and kindness to keep you confused. Then the abuse escalates to the point you cannot take any more and finally learn about narcissism and start understanding what the hell has been going on all these years. The loss in years you invested, the way they left their victim utterly destroyed, and then left abandoned to get the spark you had before they killed your soul, is simply devastating. Unless you've endured it, you cannot begin to comprehend it.

    • @InnerIntegration
      @InnerIntegration  6 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      Exactly!

    • @michellesam5348
      @michellesam5348 5 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      John wentz what happened is you was at the stage where they were running you crazy and the got you thinking you crazy then you finally go searching for answers wondering why they treating you like this. Why they dont love you they dont love us cause they dont love no one not even their selves .They are straight psycopaths .Thats what i think my mother is cause know person in their right mind would treat any human being like this and they jelous of you cause you got a good heart and they trying too make you evil like them. RUN AS FAST AS YOU CAN SHE NOT GOING TO CHANGE FOR YOU AND NO ONE ELSE.GOD GOT YOU BE BLEESED BECAUSE YOU ARE.

    • @katalinmcewan
      @katalinmcewan 5 ปีที่แล้ว +51

      Unfortunately, I can totally relate to all of this, although I have “only” wasted two years. I’m an empath and he destroyed my heart and soul. I never knew people like this existed and spent endless nights crying and analysing everything, trying to understand what on earth is going on, of course he couldn’t care less. Then one day I started googling some words and bought a couple of books on covert narcissists and they were literally all written about him.

    • @kimnewis9826
      @kimnewis9826 5 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      JOHN WENZE. YR COMMENT RANG SO TRUE 4 ME. THE YRS WASTED THE LIES CRUELTY brings u to the point where you have a Breakdown, and then you are made to believe that you must pull yourself together, isn't that what you have been doing 4 years, and in fact u have used Yr energy and emotional strength to help them. In my case, parents, and husband, and now NC with a daughter l loved and thought l new. Yes they or it does feel like they take your Soul. BUT they cannot take it it belongs to a higher power and you. In the end it saves us. Bless you.

    • @cfrdog
      @cfrdog 5 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      John, I'm living it and know what you mean. Its so hard to explain to someone that has not experienced it. I feel I can't even explain it b/c its not physical. I was discarded.

  • @undrtw66
    @undrtw66 6 ปีที่แล้ว +978

    Being "punished" for having natural reactions and emotions...

    • @TheRecycledMom
      @TheRecycledMom 6 ปีที่แล้ว +100

      Jamie Ritchey yes! I have believed for many years that I was too emotional and over reactive. 😔

    • @maranatha256
      @maranatha256 6 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      AMEN!

    • @ddoyle3856
      @ddoyle3856 6 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      yes yes yesss!!!!

    • @shannon8315
      @shannon8315 5 ปีที่แล้ว +42

      Always trust your own judgment.

    • @deborahmclaren4576
      @deborahmclaren4576 5 ปีที่แล้ว +44

      I'm so relieved to have seen this video. I have been in this relationship for years and couldn't understand why I felt so awful about it.
      He's covert and abusive and he manipulates everything.

  • @jennodine
    @jennodine 5 ปีที่แล้ว +378

    Bragging about you to others makes them appear to actually care about you, but more importantly, it also works as "love-bombing by proxy": when I met or saw the people he bragged to about me, they would tell me how highly he spoke of me and how lucky I was to have such a devoted husband who loved me so much. Even though I never felt his love and often felt totally unloved, hearing other people tell me how much my husband loved me and how proud he was of me made me believe it to be true.

    • @angelacarterclementi8350
      @angelacarterclementi8350 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Same experience with me.

    • @jennodine
      @jennodine 5 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Welcome to the crazy club, pc pc. At least now we can see it, whether we want to or not is almost irrelevant once this incredibly diabolical magic trick is revealed as a simple slight of hand.

    • @melissa-uu9oq
      @melissa-uu9oq 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Jenn (Hall) Nodine Going through the same thing!

    • @rhonddalesley
      @rhonddalesley 5 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      They also think it boosts their ego and ups their standing if people believe they’ve been able to bag such an amazing partner, they think you’re a reflection of themselves and vice versa in that situation. If you’re amazing then they must be too

    • @withgoddess7164
      @withgoddess7164 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yup

  • @Almamater8888
    @Almamater8888 5 ปีที่แล้ว +500

    A big part of the covert narcissist’s game is getting you to distrust yourself.

    • @sunshinegodschild7076
      @sunshinegodschild7076 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Almamater8888 yessssss omg

    • @iisaka_station
      @iisaka_station 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Thumbs up. I don't even know if I'm the narcissist or not at this point. I just want to kill my self because I can't trust anyone or myself. I've been told before that I'm a narcissist, and I really don't know if it was true or not. All I know is that I am in a perpetual state of pain and self hatred. I listen to these videos, but they don't help me because I can see little bits here and there that seem to be a part of everyone and myself. All I know is that I can't stop hurting or thinking about it

    • @shannon8315
      @shannon8315 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Almamater8888, he succeeded, I was actually letting him take credit for my artwork because I was so unsure of myself.

    • @shannon8315
      @shannon8315 5 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      @@iisaka_station A true narcissist would never analyze themselves like you are doing. After all according to them they're perfect and everyone else is screwed up.

    • @marykrenek512
      @marykrenek512 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Well Said!

  • @REJ5557
    @REJ5557 5 ปีที่แล้ว +344

    “Your body is the most accurate barometer you have” ❤️👏👏👏❤️

    • @TheBakingGirlShow
      @TheBakingGirlShow 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      yes because the body keeps the score, also a great book!

    • @lauratheexplorer6390
      @lauratheexplorer6390 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Fibromyalgia. Since 12 years old. Unexplained chronic pain, anxiety & depression. Irritable bowel syndrome. Skin rashes. CPTSD. Chronic Fatigue. It’s taken me 30 years to figure out what’s been going on. I was just in hospital for Anaemia. It has real costs for the body.

    • @loveanpeace4eva
      @loveanpeace4eva 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Laura Mundy yes! Same here! Anxiety, depression, Irritable Bowel Syndrome, constipation, throat closing, PTSD, anorexia, bulimia, and more! It's slow torturous killing. I grew up in the house of two abusive narcs and my ex of 9 years is a narc. They literally are literally predators that rip off the skin of the prey and slowly pull off its limbs before killing.

    • @leahwarrior1734
      @leahwarrior1734 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      To anyone who has suffered? I am a survivor myself who having experienced a Narcissistic family to then meeting guys like it. I survived a relationship that almost cost me my life. And I had to do a lot of work in myself and finally I am a stage in my life as a person I have health conditions as a result of my head injury that I endured called Dystonia, functional Neurological Disorder. And I chose to be creative with my blog to help people so if you fancy seeing anything that benefits your wellbeing. Feel free to look at my blog- The Wellbeing Warrior. There’s not much content about it this particular video stood out for me and I decided to put this on my blog. So I wish to thank these inspirational woman who are sharing about the psychology and the dynamics in these “ toxic relationships!” Blessings to anyone who is suffering or has survived. 🙏🏼😇🙏🏼🙏🏼🕊💫❤️🙏🏼🙏🏼

    • @leahwarrior1734
      @leahwarrior1734 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lauratheexplorer6390 I have Dystonia Functional Neurological Disorder and fibromyalgia and get what you are saying. Feel free to reach out to me or check out my blog “ The Wellbeing Warrior “ on tumblr where I have created a space to help people in various ways. But you may find some helpful content not just on abuse etc... but meditation 🧘‍♀️ techniques etc... blessings to you 🌷🙏🏼🌷🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

  • @nh55871
    @nh55871 5 ปีที่แล้ว +389

    With coverts, a lot of the issue is what they DON'T do. They will severely neglect and ignore their spouse and kids.

    • @humblewonder3260
      @humblewonder3260 4 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      No. A lot of the issue is what they do very subtlely. It's the emotional abuse that they can get away with, that's hard to call out.

    • @nh55871
      @nh55871 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Humble Wonder right and when you call it out, they easily accuse you of being the one causing the trouble

    • @humblewonder3260
      @humblewonder3260 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @@nh55871 yes or they DARVO and make themselves the victim some other way

    • @salonsavy6476
      @salonsavy6476 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      My ex Narc would take off to his house and ignore me ,, abandon me for weeks on end ,, No contact whatsoever!,,,, how abusive and destructive,,,, Pure Evil 👿

    • @haliec496
      @haliec496 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      And the neglect is turned on us for being too needy or attention seeking

  • @toneman335
    @toneman335 6 ปีที่แล้ว +166

    The covert narcs are a master at the subtle back handed put downs.

    • @AngusStewart01
      @AngusStewart01 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      My sibling good that slight jabs at me . It’s never straight up . It’s subtle put downs .

    • @relandmcclure1038
      @relandmcclure1038 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Heather Mooney exactly! I always wondered why none of the so called friends, I believed were friends, never once called to ask me what was going on or anything! Not a single one! Whatever he told them they believed & I was discarded by all too.
      Only one has stayed in touch as it turns out her ex is also a covert narcissist.
      I definitely listen to my gut about everything now. I won’t waste time with confrontation, I simply walk away & cut them out of my life in every way possible.
      Coverts are so calculating in everything they do, they KNOW what they’re doing & your pain is a succulent dessert for them. Their cruelty knows no bounds & they will suck you dry leaving you a discarded shell.

    • @alexc2265
      @alexc2265 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I’m wondering if I really was a victim of that. Not sure if it’s disbelief or hesitance to finish throwing my best pal under the bus, but he’d say things to be frank and I wonder if it was really just that. I just took a lot as playfully jabbing banter too, but they day there’s a little seriousness behind every joke. I’m still not sure since he’s a threshold case and does have feelings and other elements of more normal presentation.

    • @rjohnson8675
      @rjohnson8675 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Better known as throwing shade.

    • @SanctifiedLady
      @SanctifiedLady 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Even if it’s a degrading look or glance from foot to face. Or head to toe

  • @cyndlbrown7717
    @cyndlbrown7717 6 ปีที่แล้ว +466

    When she said “birthdays were horrible and I don’t know why.” I broke down. I’ve never heard anyone else say that before. ♥️

    • @torrihoward9729
      @torrihoward9729 6 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      I was turning#35 at the time I experienced the birthday from hell. My plan was to have Dinner and a movie but just the opposite happened. Too much to type t it didn't end well.

    • @maria-xosejones-phillips6075
      @maria-xosejones-phillips6075 6 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      I reacted in exactly the same way. I totally understand this too, and so I have complete empathy with you, Cyndl.

    • @montek2539
      @montek2539 6 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Cyndl Brown you're not the only one. hope you are doing well and loving yourself

    • @tiffanybazarte9973
      @tiffanybazarte9973 6 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      Girl. EVERY HOLIDAY. Even romantic ones I would plan. I literally lost it when she said that.

    • @zaydean9367
      @zaydean9367 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Tiff Bazarte YUP!!! Same

  • @kikilee5401
    @kikilee5401 3 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    “When you’re the only one that can see the truth and it’s very lonely” I started turning to these narcs videos because it helps me to know that I’m not alone and I’m not the only one who feel this. So glad I found your channel.

    • @pope1089
      @pope1089 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nobody understands unless uve lived it. Recognise the red flags in future. Don't waste your years with these people. All the best it's a horrible experience

    • @denisepeery7612
      @denisepeery7612 ปีที่แล้ว

      Debbie speaks too slow, very boring and almost sounds like she is not knowledgeable. Needs to take a public speaking course. Does not keep one's arrention

    • @alg375
      @alg375 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Invalidations and projection is two big ones too.

    • @deanharding740
      @deanharding740 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@denisepeery7612 did you know you can watch TH-cam videos on 2x speed if you have less time available to listen 😃💫🤓

    • @not_anybody01
      @not_anybody01 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@denisepeery7612 i disagree, i find her manner very real and warm and engaging and i laughed when you said she isnt knowledgeable. she literally wrote the book. she certainly kept my attention. i seek out her videos and just bought two of her books.

  • @jensbasement3862
    @jensbasement3862 6 ปีที่แล้ว +413

    "Drama gives them energy". That's right folks. The moment you see someone get the tiniest bit excited or giggly about sabotaging someone, that's when to not trust a word they say.

    • @Goldgirl1020
      @Goldgirl1020 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      my flatmate does this. i've learnt to see it now, i just say her i see your condescending smirk or i feel you are being manipulative right now and she magically stops. she can't con me anymore and she knows it.

    • @thepartysjustbegun5557
      @thepartysjustbegun5557 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      My husband literally grins while pointing out how awful he thinks I am, but I'm learning now about why. So sad.

    • @AngusStewart01
      @AngusStewart01 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Facts right their

    • @trance212
      @trance212 5 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      100%! Definitely walk away quietly from them too. Be extremely “boring” to them (talk to them about random things like cleaning products, notebooks, etc lol). That helped me!

    • @shannon8315
      @shannon8315 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Mine was watching me play wii bowling (he wasn't playing against me, just watching). He would snicker and laugh excitedly when I would miss a spare or miss a strike by one pin. I thought who is this humonculous sitting there.

  • @jojozepofthejungle2655
    @jojozepofthejungle2655 7 ปีที่แล้ว +410

    The covert is looking for a mommy or daddy replacement not a wife or husband.

    • @brandiwiser3217
      @brandiwiser3217 6 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Wow! Spot on!

    • @mgmail7279
      @mgmail7279 6 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      So you've met my ex-husband! He claimed he wanted children but it never happened, so your comment so spot on for me....

    • @Exsugarbabe1
      @Exsugarbabe1 6 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Absolutely, when you tell them to run back to mummy their true self comes out.

    • @katalinmcewan
      @katalinmcewan 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Totally, I even joked to someone that I should adopt him as my child. 😂

    • @elliemay7569
      @elliemay7569 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      JoJoZep ofthejungle Thats Right!

  • @craft-t-bugs7844
    @craft-t-bugs7844 5 ปีที่แล้ว +265

    Had experience with both Overt and Covert Narcs, Covert was worse by far. Don't underestimate them, especially if you make an enemy of them. Insidious, manipulative, vicious people.

    • @somethinggood9267
      @somethinggood9267 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I just discovered one of my friends is at least partly a covert narcissist, and i plan to slowly distance myself and never reveal that i am on to them. It would be too dangerous, they are friends with all of my friends.

    • @asryn96
      @asryn96 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Indeed. Overly despicable.

    • @ronniesal7436
      @ronniesal7436 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      100% true. They know no limits. If they need to partnerd with previous enemie of them in order to harm you, they will. I'd say that covert ones are the closest to psychopaths that exist!

  • @watercolour8719
    @watercolour8719 7 ปีที่แล้ว +934

    I feel like one sign of a covert narcissist is a lack of true connection and genuine intimacy in the relationship. they care about creating the impression that you're in a relationship more than actually having a relationship. They might tell you how much they love you, but their actions will tell you they really don't actually care about your feelings at all. You will feel that the friendship lacks stability and transparency. They are very guarded and it will feel like something very important is missing in the relationship. they are masters of deflection and will always have you believe the problem is that you are not putting enough effort into the relationship (projection)

    • @newoaknl
      @newoaknl 7 ปีที่แล้ว +45

      Water colour that is exactly what i felt, experienced. Well described.

    • @watercolour8719
      @watercolour8719 7 ปีที่แล้ว +55

      Thank you, I finally realised cognitive dissonance is an important message to pay attention to, (after years of rationalising, and giving the benefit of the doubt) We shouldn't need to be mind readers in relationships :)

    • @newoaknl
      @newoaknl 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Water colour i dont know really what cognitive dissonance is?

    • @watercolour8719
      @watercolour8719 7 ปีที่แล้ว +63

      Oh, well one example might be, if you're really unclear about how someone feels about you, they tell you you're their best friend, but you often wonder if they even really like you . Or they are really unreliable and only support you in a begrudging way. It's basically the result of the words and actions not being congruent. Other examples might be they subtlety invalidate your opinions or feelings, or aren't happy for your successes but seem annoyed or distant when things are going well for you.

    • @newoaknl
      @newoaknl 7 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Water colour ah thanks. Definately with my female narc. Always unsure of the relationship. Always

  • @Borakization
    @Borakization 6 ปีที่แล้ว +448

    Not to sound smug, but honestly you have to be a victim of a covert narcissist to understand it fully. It is the most bizarre and sinister person you will ever meet when you start to understand just what you have let into your life. I need to look into the difference between them and a sociopath because they strike me as being very similar. These people are charming, the life of the party, god-fearing Christian types (they love that cover...it works so well), and the very least person you would EVER suspect of malevolence. But that’s what they really are all about. You don’t ever confront them.

    • @beeaboutabbabusiness8738
      @beeaboutabbabusiness8738 6 ปีที่แล้ว +66

      Omg dont get on to them being christians the spiritual abuse they use is almost unforgiveable, and then quote that God commands to forgive .It is pyscological torture 😳

    • @svrfx3573
      @svrfx3573 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      My adopted mother

    • @whotelakecity2001
      @whotelakecity2001 6 ปีที่แล้ว +45

      They will sip your pain like fine wine from a crystal glass.

    • @kater3058
      @kater3058 5 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Ugh and being raised my a Nmom is child abuse!

    • @shannon8315
      @shannon8315 5 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      Mine is not into God, he thinks he's God. Not really fair to say Christian types, they are all types really.

  • @jett888
    @jett888 4 ปีที่แล้ว +323

    The words and actions NEVER match: ie " I love you and want to be with you" but they avoid you, never do anything with you and abandon you. They are also very sneaky and secretive.

    • @hauntedgreeneyes5961
      @hauntedgreeneyes5961 4 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      Sounds so familiar or they say stuff like we should take a trip but never really mean it. They say "I miss you" just to Hoover you back in and then once they have you they dissapear for days and weeks at a time barely giving you anything except a "hey" text message. It's unnerving and exhausting.

    • @salonsavy6476
      @salonsavy6476 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yes yes yes and YES!!!,,,,,

    • @ninanickel3103
      @ninanickel3103 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      jett888 that’s why I don’t listen. I know what someone would do if they loved you and so it doesn’t match up.

    • @elleeme9451
      @elleeme9451 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Amen.

    • @johnwentz3925
      @johnwentz3925 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      That's the truth. Words don't match their actions. It's simple. Ask yourself, if they truly loved me, would they (fill in the blank). Ask yourself, would I do this to them? The things they do to their partners are not from a place of love and respect.

  • @Doriesep6622
    @Doriesep6622 5 ปีที่แล้ว +226

    I think it's the little digs that slowly erode your soul. That eventually destroy it.

    • @nixwestlake9196
      @nixwestlake9196 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Barefoot Prof agreed

    • @nixwestlake9196
      @nixwestlake9196 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @broody snoody well said

    • @thinkingjohn2099
      @thinkingjohn2099 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Yes my ex friend used to have these little digs at me with bizarre lies which led me to research on TH-cam different personality types

    • @deniserothwell6325
      @deniserothwell6325 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Barefoot Prof Yes exactly! It’s the drip, drip, drip poison.

    • @deniserothwell6325
      @deniserothwell6325 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Thinking Peter Yes that happened to me too. And I was well aware of narcissism too. It would always come out when she had been drinking. She would swing from being aggressive some of the time to mostly passive aggressive. Very nasty stuff. But it was slow to build. Took years. Finally she did too much too soon and I walked. Then I checked it out. Apparently alcoholics.....which is what she had become....have something like 11 traits of the narc. Not really sure if she was one but I won’t take it off the table. Her mother was full blown and the nastiest piece of work.
      She is a hoarder and I did some research on that. Apparently many of them are narcs!

  • @gl4285
    @gl4285 6 ปีที่แล้ว +363

    Cold, lacking empathy, gaslighting, low in mood/disphoria, distant/emotionally absent, can be attentive with gifts & time but when being requested to be emotionally available they're absent, passive aggressive remarks & attitudes, excessive need for everything to be about them, passive aggressive punishment, entitlement, atmospheric abuse. The list is endless but it's all passive aggressive as oppose to overt & evident.

    • @gl4285
      @gl4285 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Mady L It is unfortunate that he could not model the father role better for his daughter but toxic people only tend to have one concern & one priority - themselves. I'm glad that you had the courage to ensure that you & your children were a priority & that you're no longer in the relationship. People such as that do not change. Hoping that he's not causing too much chaos with regards to custody rights etc.

    • @swiftmello123
      @swiftmello123 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yep exactly

    • @SardonischerDean
      @SardonischerDean 6 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      You're completely right. Coverts are scapegoaters who present an idea as if they're doing good things for you when they're actually working to demolish you. Usually behind the scenes though, and confronting one can be a strange experience. With an overt it's just rage, with a covert they'll just laugh, and pick a time to pick you apart. It won't be when you expect it.

    • @gl4285
      @gl4285 6 ปีที่แล้ว +49

      Well with a covert, should you choose to confront them, generally you can expect gaslighting, more of them playing the victim card, pseudo stupidity (pretending to have absolutely no idea what you could possibly be referring to) & promises to be better, should it eventually strike them that they're losing this battle (which it generally doesn't). Passive aggressive remarks, an air of superiority yet an inferiority complex & word salad is what can be frustrating expected with a covert.

    • @emolique
      @emolique 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      :(

  • @alisonbuchanan4
    @alisonbuchanan4 5 ปีที่แล้ว +164

    And the pain lies in the fact that you are alone because NOONE , absolutely NOONE gets its...so, therefore, we are ALONE
    PLEASE ADDRESS THIS FACT. thank you

    • @svanduyne22
      @svanduyne22 5 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      alisonbuchanan4. I am reaching out to you because I know that feeling SO well. It doesn’t have to feel that way once we understand that YOU ALONE are enough. Being alone is a perceived condition, and the narcissist loves to create that condition in us. But it’s an illusion. We choose whether to buy into it or not. Now whenever I feel alone, I remind myself that my company is good company because I can care for myself. I recommend a long road trip by yourself to give you a feeling of autonomy. Blessings.

    • @AllanI3374
      @AllanI3374 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      You are only alone until you leave the PNARC then in a short while you start to love yourself again and meet new friends ! !

    • @sheroncreed3559
      @sheroncreed3559 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Alisonbuchanon4; You hit the nail on the head No one gets it, unless they've been there. I just took yesterday off due to my boss enabling a coworker on Thurs. I noticed a pattern that at the end of Every month this covert coworker tries to distract me and interfere with things that have nothing to do with her work in order to break my focus on getting the monthly payroll done. But She acts like she's trying to be helpful. So this time I went to my supervisor to ask tell her to get out of my lane. He starts enabling by saying, maybe she's just bla-bla-bla, and I said no and before I could say that there's a pattern he comes up with another 'maybe'/excuse. At that point I just said, 'okay never mind'. And 'He flips out on me! He starts hollering, "look at the way you're acting, I'm just trying to have a conversation with you. GET OUT OF MY OFFICE! As I left I said, you never listen to me. I have no idea what he hollered as the door closed.
      I wrestled with the craziness of it all. The doubts that maybe it is me and I'm just paranoid having been in a covert relationship that I ended 3yrs ago when it got physically abusive. But it was DV all along. Exactly what has been described in this video.
      I have no idea how to trust people anymore, and sometimes even trusting myself is challenging. But when I know in my heart of hearts that I'm being sabatoged I have found no one that will support me.
      I remember going to HR 3x's, over a 2yr period, about the sexual harassment by my last supervisor.
      I was told, 'that's not okay" and then I was handed a pamphlet to go see the staff psychologist.
      There are a lot of days where I just don't give a damn anymore. Then I come across a video like this and comments like yours that let me know I'm not crazy.

    • @charlottemyers8449
      @charlottemyers8449 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Is there a word that can top ALONE? I have never ever thought about suicide or giving up on life and just giving up until now! There is soooo much chaos and struggle! I had a doctor of 20 years that wanted to literally kill me because I said something that hurt his feelings ( another narc!, took me off meds he put me on COLD TURKEY, I LITERALLY ALMOST DIED, Got told I had to find a place to stay because she got married, needed a place to stay and HE FOUND ME!! HE HAS FED ME ALL THE LINES, HELPED ME THRU THE DETOX HORROR, I LOST MY JOB, LOST MY STORAGE UNIT that had allll my kid's things they made, pictures, a lifetime of memories gone! I could NOT THINK DURING THE DETOX HELL. He COUKD HAVE HELPED, BUT "Didnt have money"!... A lie!! I want to screammm and just go to his job today and confront the person I am SURE he is messing with!! She is. 35 years old! He cant have sex, but can give at 71 years old. She is married and has a husband with $$. Its a long story to explain hpw I am sure its her. Evidence. But not ABSOLUTE CONCRETE. He started this job and pulled away emotionally, and in allll ways at home but when I confronted his actions, he said I was depressed all the time!! I am the most opposite of depressed there is! It was bad! The rage! I went SILENT AS HE WAS RUNNING HIS MOUTH AND WALKED AWAY! After 2 days of me not doing crap for him or talking to him, he began asking me what was going on with me. I told him how I felt again I told him I felt it might be the girl he worked with even though yes she is half his age. He asked me what gave me that impression and I told him that it's something that a girl knows when she's around another woman and they're interested in their man it's the way she acts she was acting overly nice to me when I first met her and probably taught me 15-20 minutes about nothing really and I could just feel it. The routine here has been he gets up early in the morning goes to work an hour early to go to McDonald's and get himself something to eat sit and just relax and have coffee before his shift well I decided I was going to follow him one morning and I'll be dang as I was following him I missed him by like 2 minutes and he met somebody don't know who because I didn't get to see it across the street from his bank. The maps literally took me right to the place they met Okay. So ironically the very day were talking about this which was a Friday last Friday we were down in an area completely opposite of where we live to eat seafood afterwards we stopped by a convenience store and she just randomly happened to be in the same area which she doesn't live in that area and neither do we which is okay she did that because I think that was a coincidence cuz she had her daughter with her which is trying to give away puppies the thing that got my attention there was he didn't go over to say hello or anything because that's just odd if you know someone you work with why wouldn't you like bring me over there to talk to her which was fine I'll let it go and the next morning this is the catcher right here we were leaving to go to his sister's house to cut grass early in the morning again routine he gets up early in the morning and normally when we go to cut grass we go together to McDonald's to get our biscuit and go head out to her area she owns five acres of land she's an elderly person that can't do it so we go out to help her while as we went that morning to go to the bank to get money and then go to McDonalds who was across the street sitting in her car just sitting there and of course I lost my ever-loving mind I can't for positive say it was her cuz I couldn't see in the window because her windows are tinted superblack but it's a department store parking lot it's the only vehicle in the whole parking lot who in the world besides her car could have been is a dark blue car with dark Windows Shades so who else could have been so of course I confront him he denies yada yada we didn't go over there cuz I said no I don't want to confront which I kicked myself now wishing I'd said yes but in just a few minutes I will be going to her workplace and taking a picture of her car because I did take a picture from across the street it was not a good picture at all. If it is her absolutely for sure I really don't know how I'm going to respond I will keep this area updated but I will say this I told him that morning if by chance they are doing anyting the husband will find out about it and then he really lost his mind then and said why would you say something like that and I said because it's the truth I don't care someone's messing with my guy that husband's going to find out and he goes why I'm not messing with her finding you ain't got nothing to worry about do you every since then like I said he has been kissing my butt. The problem with the covert because they are so sensitive and very obviously convincing and of his age and all this goofy stuff the thing is I don't I don't know and I can't understand what he could be giving her money for I know that sounds stupid but the only thing I could think of is she does do drugs not that he does neither one of us do but maybe he's helping her with it. He said to me why in the world would I take you somewhere knowing she's going to be across the street I said because you didn't know I would be across the street with you and you didn't have a chance to text her before we left so therefore that's why. Clearly this whole thing is eating me up I want to know for some reason to absolute truth I haven't caught them together red-handed but the signs are there I just in my head can't understand what she's trying to get out of him but I told him a w**** is a horn about how you look at it they want anything and everything they can get from you. And a narcissist they'll give anything just to get what they want which is attention. I won't lie and say I enjoy the attention he's giving me I feel like we're stronger and closer now than we ever been and that's what scares me I feel like it's all another illusion he sucker me back in so he can hurt me again. I wasn't attracted to him at all when I first met him he's not super attractive or anything like that when I first met him but them taking me in obviously there's trauma bonding and we slowly started kind of fooling around even though he couldn't it just is what it is but anyway clearly you can see I'm more messed up than I ever was and I can't stand this I just want to know the truth and I'm trying to find ways

  • @fitandfabulous
    @fitandfabulous 6 ปีที่แล้ว +379

    Omg!!! The point of "lowering your standards without noticing". So.true. By the time you realize its too late and your confused and disappointed in yourself

    • @e.m.medrano7976
      @e.m.medrano7976 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      fitandfabulous Absolutely.

    • @alaysiakayebutler6299
      @alaysiakayebutler6299 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      fitandfabulous yes, and notice its disappointed with your/my Self.. Effective npd conditioning strikes again :(

    • @lanahenry8113
      @lanahenry8113 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      fitandfabulous illusions of love. Really well described. And empty people

    • @runstewrun2063
      @runstewrun2063 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      fitandfabulous so true dear

    • @glowinthadark
      @glowinthadark 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Woooo........so true....its shattering to the core of your inner self once your eyes are open too...but lowering your standards gradually is what they do ...Strategically 😢

  • @staryeyez4853
    @staryeyez4853 6 ปีที่แล้ว +86

    He is the family gossiper but also wants to be the one that rescues them. Loves when everyone is looking to him for advice.

    • @shannon8315
      @shannon8315 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Oh God, they know everything and expect praise from everyone.

  • @HurakanC5
    @HurakanC5 5 ปีที่แล้ว +83

    Most therapists have NO idea how to work with narcissistic abuse survivors because they don´t understand everythimg that we have so clear. I´m so grateful I found you Meredith.

    • @boogieuggie7865
      @boogieuggie7865 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      It is a total a waste of time and money to go to a therapist that does not understand covert narcissism and there are many that don't.

    • @susansherlock6934
      @susansherlock6934 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Just finished my training as a counsellor, about to do client hours...I will definitely recognise their patterns of behaviour, as I spent 26 years with one!

  • @monicamiller2838
    @monicamiller2838 6 ปีที่แล้ว +131

    "lowering your standards without noticing"

    • @lindamahrer1760
      @lindamahrer1760 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Just had that conversation yesterday and received a 101 manipulative covert lesson. I let the grandson know I was well aware bottom line i am done...I am setting boundaries. Better yet, I am through with toxic people...

  • @dottiegnyc1
    @dottiegnyc1 6 ปีที่แล้ว +309

    TH-cam is fantastic, it has connected us all and this talk and others out there are saving people everyday ...it is a life line ;-)

    • @Sky-mp4iq
      @Sky-mp4iq 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      I learn SO much on youtube, and before I realized the guy I was dating was "covert narscisst" he randomly shamed me for watching informative videos on youtube.. and so I did a search on Google that said something about this guy told me something I like to do is stupid.. lol

    • @TheGrmany69
      @TheGrmany69 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah, that' what I was thinking about.

    • @shannon8315
      @shannon8315 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Thanks to the experts and TH-cam. 😊

    • @canadianlady777
      @canadianlady777 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      We have to give a huge thank you to Merideth for helping so many of us...

    • @claire2943
      @claire2943 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Well. It wont happen again.

  • @reginathorp5902
    @reginathorp5902 5 ปีที่แล้ว +89

    It was so validating to hear her say that the Covert Narcissist is difficult to spot. I knew something was wrong, but I couldn't figure out what until I stumbled onto Covert narcissism & that took years. I'm so thankful someone has focused on this particular disorder.

    • @judytomlin9508
      @judytomlin9508 ปีที่แล้ว

      Exactly!! He used to grin when I’d say what is it going to be with you??!! You’re not a drug addict or alcoholic like the past two. After parents passed after 3 hard yrs of caregiving he decided to ghost me but then admitted he was getting attention elsewhere like he hadn’t had in the past few!! He got to drop the bomb on me and he felt so powerful but yet he is Fonzie to the rest of the world!!

  • @glendapickering9073
    @glendapickering9073 6 ปีที่แล้ว +243

    I eventually got to enjoy the silent treatment because if was so peaceful :)

    • @ddoyle3856
      @ddoyle3856 6 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      haha this is a joke i make sometimes but i also don't really feel that great about it at the same time.

    • @ddoyle3856
      @ddoyle3856 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      haha this is a joke i make sometimes but i also don't really feel that great about it at the same time.

    • @angelbythewings
      @angelbythewings 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      It actually happened for me, I was more at peace during silent treatments. It hurt but there was something peaceful too

    • @katalinmcewan
      @katalinmcewan 5 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      I’m having my last (hopefully as had enough of him finally) silent treatment and using it to watch TH-cam videos on covert narcissists. I have already read 7 books on him, literally. I still feel sick to my stomach thinking about how text book his behaviour was and how I fell for it even though I’m normally a good judge of character... 😬

    • @karentruscelli5708
      @karentruscelli5708 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      You fell for it because you are a GOOD person.. They are so damn good no one can see it unless you have an education in psychology. @@katalinmcewan

  • @michelleturner6865
    @michelleturner6865 6 ปีที่แล้ว +122

    Most horrible thing I have ever endured. Still recovering 2 years later.

    • @bubblywaters3116
      @bubblywaters3116 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I hope you are healing and I understand. I hope to find a therapist that I can trust. So far I haven't.
      Take care of yourself. .

    • @relandmcclure1038
      @relandmcclure1038 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Michelle Turner me too 4 yrs later

    • @GS-gd4yc
      @GS-gd4yc 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I’m so sorry. Me too. :(

  • @jessimess
    @jessimess 5 ปีที่แล้ว +86

    so cold, distant, discarded, silent treatment, emotionally unavailable to myself & the kids, angry, he isolated himself for years and years. However, he would go help his best friend or someone else & I would hear what a great guy he is! I tried to help him, but he didn't think he had an issue. I asked him for an emotional relationship, he couldn't do it. He would listen to me talk & not respond at all, unless he was taking the other person's side. 23 yrs. & he never took my side...I was always wrong.
    Oh, and the porn addiction...always making me feel inadequate.

    • @sandram6913
      @sandram6913 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Sorry about the porn. My ex did that too. That just tops it off.

    • @kileyshepherd4723
      @kileyshepherd4723 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Oh so sorry this sounds just like my ex husband 😢

    • @sandrarh9839
      @sandrarh9839 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I deal with this too. He also takes everyone else's side.
      I once got into a car accident. They rear ended me at a stop light. When I got home I told him I was in an accident. He said, "what did you do?" I said, "well III I didn't do anything. They rear ended me." He said, "well you must have done something. People don't just hit you." I said, "yes they do. That is why it is called an accident." He said, "Well you must have slammed on your breaks in front of them then." I said, "No I did not. I was at a stop. They hit me. And by the way the first thing you should have said to me was are you okay. Not what did you do?" There have been multiple situations just like that. Some guy almost hit us in a parking lot. He was in the car with us and saw what happened and yet still looked me straight in the eye and blamed me. Yelling at me telling me how I was in the wrong when it was clearly the guy in the big suped up truck who was driving down the middle speeding without watching where he was going.

    • @aishashah3416
      @aishashah3416 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      You have just accurately described my ex to the letter! Wow! These narcs really are like a cloned nation. Blows my mind when I read testimony from victims that are replications of my exact experience. How can this be?

    • @Skinny4406
      @Skinny4406 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      There is always some sexual deviation with NPD. Porn addiction is actually quite mild and usually accompanied by others. Not that I don't totally get how inadequate that alone makes you feel. It's incredible torture on so many levels with these disordered shells of humans

  • @tlarson1977
    @tlarson1977 7 ปีที่แล้ว +400

    The more you communicate with them the more ammo you give them

    • @ronesss33
      @ronesss33 7 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      Tammy Larson yes it's been my biggest mistake so far

    • @rickiilatino
      @rickiilatino 6 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      Yes they love to Draw you in it gives them the control they want

    • @rockinout4990
      @rockinout4990 6 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Exactly. So frustratingly true.

    • @BigHeartNoBS
      @BigHeartNoBS 6 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      No Contact is the way to go.

    • @hmcd1547
      @hmcd1547 6 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Oh my goodness YES!!!! I’ve realized that once I Let my husband know that words of affirmation and physical touch are my “love languages” was the beginning of the REAL mental and emotional abuse. My needs became his weapons and ways of keeping me completely reliant on his validation

  • @jodiwalimaki5809
    @jodiwalimaki5809 6 ปีที่แล้ว +250

    Even faced with tangible evidence they will deny it.

    • @Goldgirl1020
      @Goldgirl1020 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      no point even trying. you are always the bad guy in their guys. I dislike that my sister seems to view me entirely as something i'm not and if for any reason i get negative at times it comes from a lifetime of being criticised and put down over my weight and hair colour and now over the things i say. it never ends.

    • @katalinmcewan
      @katalinmcewan 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Yes, I just confronted “mine” re his textbook narcissistic behaviour over the past two years (only figured out he was a covert narcissist recently after going through hell and searching for answers) and he told me that I was delusional. 😂

    • @mooshmobile
      @mooshmobile 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      or just shut down and become depressed

    • @learningismyjam9425
      @learningismyjam9425 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Oh my gosh yes!!!

    • @shannon8315
      @shannon8315 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Jodi, that's a definite character trait of the CN. My husband gets mad at me because when I water the trees because I have forgotten and flooded the area. So when I saw that he did the same thing I mentioned it to him. He blamed our 3 lb. chihuahua, saying she must've moved the hose. Unbelievable how they can't admit to mistakes at all.

  • @reginathorp5902
    @reginathorp5902 5 ปีที่แล้ว +57

    I am literally in tears & my heart is pounding, yet at the same time I am physically getting sick to my stomach because she has so clearly explained the narcissist in my life. Thank you for having her on. Clearly you care about people with a narcissist.

  • @ladybird491
    @ladybird491 6 ปีที่แล้ว +85

    I have someone living in my house that is a covert narcissist and is pure hell. I didn't realize it until I listened to your whole video. They are really good at apologizing but actions don't match.

    • @hanagospic2012
      @hanagospic2012 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They are so fake that there is nothing in their words. I've seen through mine CN and it became ridiculous to listen to his crap and especially to read his messages (cause they will rather send messages, leave messages around the house on paper then tell you in your face). They are cowards, liars and petty manipulators. Easily triggered to show their true face. Disgusting entities, not human beings.

    • @jennyharris-westoby273
      @jennyharris-westoby273 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Get them out your house. They kill your soul.

  • @victoriacorcoran1258
    @victoriacorcoran1258 6 ปีที่แล้ว +137

    Almost makes you prefer the overt given a choice...at least you know what you are dealing with. The covert is punishing like slow torture, walking on eggshells, wondering if everything you say is being stored for future recall. Very interesting to watch.

    • @gl4285
      @gl4285 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Ian M I'm sorry to read that.

    • @jesusisapisces
      @jesusisapisces 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I’m so sorry for your loss. These creatures really need to be eliminated.

    • @nikkidaffix
      @nikkidaffix 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wowww good point!!!!

  • @christinehaigh9807
    @christinehaigh9807 5 ปีที่แล้ว +95

    I've had knots in my upper abdomen whenever I had to get with the CN, I felt sick to my stomach more times than not. They put you on the defensive when you call them out on their abuse towards you.

  • @cestmagnifique7932
    @cestmagnifique7932 6 ปีที่แล้ว +147

    There's one thing: these people are sowers, they plant little seeds onto others' minds to induce certain feelings and opinions.

    • @jencameron8124
      @jencameron8124 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Yup, have seen this SO many times. These people are poison!

    • @growingandlearning164
      @growingandlearning164 5 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Yes they sow seeds of doubt and confusion.

    • @FoxyStealth
      @FoxyStealth 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@growingandlearning164 Yes

    • @ModernDomme
      @ModernDomme 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wow, he actually uses that phrase "planting seeds".

    • @maryfarrell2296
      @maryfarrell2296 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@ModernDomme ~
      They absolutely play the long game,.

  • @mollybros
    @mollybros 6 ปีที่แล้ว +64

    Omg!!! The drama part got me cracking up!! “I dont do drama!” (They started the drama)

    • @asseyez-vous6492
      @asseyez-vous6492 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Montserrat Bros EXACTLY, along with the 'I never gossip' when that's all they EVER do!

    • @ninanickel3103
      @ninanickel3103 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Montserrat Bros truth....... so true. Idk why they do this either.

    • @lillyandtheghosts3597
      @lillyandtheghosts3597 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Aint this the damn truth. A walking contradiction

  • @rainbows9060
    @rainbows9060 5 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    Intuition is the GPS of the soul!

    • @asryn96
      @asryn96 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Indeed. Our gut tells us when something is off.

    • @lauratheexplorer6390
      @lauratheexplorer6390 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Soul GPS is a wonderful channel too. Highly recommend. Lots of very helpful content. Good luck & look after yourselves. Peace ✌️

  • @lc41186
    @lc41186 7 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    This is spot on. There are some other signs that I noticed in my relationship with my ex (dated 2 years) 1-The relationship always felt surface level. No real depth or intimacy. 2- He would talk about people in GREAT detail. People you didnt even realize were in the room. And these details included attitude, conversing style, their demeanor, assumptions of their lifestyle...all within literally talking to them for 2 mins. 3-You feel like you need to entertain this person constantly otherwise they will lose interest at any moment 4-He would share secrets of other people and always full of stories....makes you think that you are connecting, but he wouldnt share stories about himself. 5-Masters at not answering questions directly. He would answer questions with a question. "Why would I do that?" -- makes you draw your own conclusion, and they get away with never really answering. 6-They reply back with your concerns as "in your mind this is happening" or "I know you're thinking this" -- making it seem like you are crazy. And then you have to defend yourself for their false accusation 7-They are NEVER dependable. Taking you to the doctor when you are sick is a chore. I remember apologizing constantly to my ex about taking me to the hospital because it was an inconvenience to him 8- They seem SOOOOO calculated in every response. 9- There would be zero compliments, and if he did compliment me...it was a bit insulting "of all the girls at work, I would only be with you" ---- the girls at work? what about the rest of the world haha! ANDDDD so many more things I can go on for days. BUT damn they are charming and it hooks you! They are seemingly innocent and you never know what side of them to believe. You fall in love with their innocence and thats why you stay in these relationships, but the calculated side makes you feel the worst you have ever felt about yourself.

    • @karo1564
      @karo1564 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Lost Child - very well explained! And your points- absolutely on spot, if I think about it now. But then I didn't know but it felt off and odd and weired and very confusing.

    • @camrynjade3244
      @camrynjade3244 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Points 1,3,7, and 9 are very accurate to how I feel. I have been in a relationship for three years now and I have literally just found out I am an Empath (which was such a refreshing thing to learn about myself. I have hated my sensitivity for so long and I just never understood why people didn’t put themselves in others shoes, bc I did with every Situation I was in with out even having to try, so learning I’m an empath has shown me that I have a gift & not something that’s wrong with me, anyways... ) and when I found that out all the info tells how empathic people attract narcissists. I thought that that wasn’t the case for me, but looking into what a narcissist actually is I’m heartbroken because that’s exactly the kind of person I’m with.. it’s heartbreaking and so confusing and so hard I honestly don’t know what to do.

    • @jessicadesmond-robitaille5972
      @jessicadesmond-robitaille5972 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Lost Child your comment is everything

    • @emolique
      @emolique 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      lets connect and support one another.

    • @jencameron8124
      @jencameron8124 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      SO well said!

  • @Tipster49
    @Tipster49 6 ปีที่แล้ว +66

    you have to be the person closest to the covert to be the chosen one to serve the majority of the covert’s needs and see them for who they really are;
    people on the periphery are not abused or manipulated or impacted by the covert or to a great enough extent to see it

    • @hmcd1547
      @hmcd1547 6 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Stephanie Bynum you’re 100% right!!! No one believed me when I tried to explain the CONSTANT manipulation and gaslighting. He had perfected his fake public persona, and By the time I realized who I was married too, the outside world thought he was the perfect husband

    • @mockatielnoirbrand7702
      @mockatielnoirbrand7702 6 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Look up "dog whistling narcissist" it will blow your mind... that have trigger / code words they insert in to a public conversation to trigger some specific past pain in only you, that still sounds like a normal conversation to everyone else. I never knew the name for this behaviour until very recently. Covert Narcissists are the worst kind of creeping venom.

    • @growingandlearning164
      @growingandlearning164 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Thats so true.they save most of their abuse for their main supply source.

    • @angelbythewings
      @angelbythewings 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You have to be close enough to the fire to burn..

  • @Linalozano3097
    @Linalozano3097 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    “These relationships are an illusion of love” , 😳this phrase sums it all.

  • @e.m.medrano7976
    @e.m.medrano7976 6 ปีที่แล้ว +198

    These people are pure evil. Emotional violence is still violence. Unfortunately other people can’t see your psychological marks of abuse and so don’t believe it. It is a devastating isolating experience to be targeted by one of these people.

    • @jht3fougifh393
      @jht3fougifh393 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      The term emotional violence isn't a good one, imho.
      Emotional abuse is better. Violence directly implies physicality, & that is a very important distinction. (Definition: "behavior involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something." - note "physical force" within this official/conventional/original/primary/commonplace definition.)
      These days, people try to up the ante by applying the word violence to things like non-tangible actions, words, feelings, and even ideological or financial systems, etc.. It's getting very out of hand, because again, they are using a more abrasive word to imply how horrible it is, but the word communicates something that is literally impossible, that being a sort of physical assault. & some try to defend this by saying "it made me so upset I had a physical reaction, so yes, it was violence"... which is simply absurd, as by that logic, being broken up with could be considered an act of violence. Another example is when they call an ideology or system violent, when they mean that they either *promote* violence, *allow* violence, or *result in* violence - again, an important distinction, as anything abstract, no matter how evil we think it to be, cannot be violent in and of itself.
      As someone who has been through both emotional/psychological abuse, as well as actual violence, I believe it's absolutely imperative that we keep our language clear & direct when it comes to such serious issues.
      You don't need to call it violence for it to be considered serious, either. Personally, I would rather be slapped in the face than deal with passive aggression. I absolutely can't stand such behavior, and would take direct aggression to the point of actual violence over it any day - seriously. So yeah.
      That being said, feel free to continue to use it that way if you'd like. You absolutely have every right to. Objectively, you're using it wrong, but there's a certain small but vocal group that is making such language changes more commonplace... so I can understand, colloquially, why people are using it like that. & even if there was no reasoning behind such usage, you can talk however you damn well please, as you have and absolutely deserve the freedom to do so! That being said, I stand resolute in my opinion, at this point. If language keeps being altered this way, imho it'll likely simply result in people making a new word to fill the gap that is created by turning the word "violence" into a direct synonym for "abuse". I can only imagine it would keep escalating, and new words would continue to fill the gaps, to higher and higher extremes. Such a thing would be pointless, and is already pointless at this stage. Abuse is a serious enough word, and violence already makes a clear distinction by definition. I say, let's use words as intended, to best communicate to one another. That's what I hope for, personally.
      But that's just my opinion! Just one person. :P
      Back to the original topic... these types are certainly difficult to deal with. I imagine it's difficult to even know how many exist. Scary to think about. Sad... tbh I hope both sides in such a relationship get the help they will certainly need.

    • @dietcris
      @dietcris 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@jht3fougifh393 if my "brain " isn't a part of my physical , TANGIBLE BODY...then what the f is it! Emotional abuse Is BRAIN ABUSE ie Violence that can and has killed.
      Language is a living evolutionary means of human communication..I say ITS ABOUT TIME THE LAW AND OUR LANGUAGE EVOLVES AND STOPS THE VIOLENCE OF SO CALLED "INTANGIBLE" EMOTIONAL ABUSE.
      Physical vs emotional is more and more being finally understood to be two sides of the same coin.

    • @TheGrmany69
      @TheGrmany69 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      It's worse when you were raised by one, they suck your childhood and punish you for behaving like a child, they are emotional succubi.

    • @TheGrmany69
      @TheGrmany69 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@dietcris Sure they are, I think part of their control come from they purposely making us feel hopeless, specially when you are a kid.

    • @bubblywaters3116
      @bubblywaters3116 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Agreed.

  • @jenniferm6042
    @jenniferm6042 6 ปีที่แล้ว +64

    "you assume people are as honest as you are" I can totally relate to this "wakeup call" *sigh* It is getting hard to trust people!

    • @evlynwilliams3985
      @evlynwilliams3985 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Jennifer M m

    • @joec1212
      @joec1212 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I used to say in front of my ex covert gf "eyes are the window to the soul, I can tell so much about people by just looking into their eyes" and she would say 'iiii wouldnt be so sure about that' 😳

    • @AngusStewart01
      @AngusStewart01 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Same here

    • @oOIIIMIIIOo
      @oOIIIMIIIOo 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@joec1212 You can see it, but in close relationships, many people shut down their alarm system for a reason. 🙂

  • @adamh9271
    @adamh9271 4 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    It is so vindicating to finally hear someone that understands what I've been dealing with for such a long time. Just to have someone actually understand really comforts my heart. At least I know I'm not crazy!

  • @sarahhomes932
    @sarahhomes932 7 ปีที่แล้ว +88

    Yes, yes, yes, covert narcissists, you can FEEL the rage. The partner I had would never shout, no verbal abuse but I felt edgy around him, I could sense he was always angry. I would ask him gently sometimes and he would dismiss it uite defensively but I was left feeling depressed and uncomfortable because I could FEEL it. Most red flags are not seen, they are FELT

    • @jennyh3212
      @jennyh3212 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Very well said!! Wow, my eyes have been very opened. I always thought I was too sensitive, I'd get yelled at for any questions/skepticism, etc. "You are overthinking this", or "look at all you have, why are you worried about this". Anything to dismiss and covertly admonish your thoughts or feelings.

    • @supernovaspirit79
      @supernovaspirit79 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Yes..Sometimes a little bit of the rage comes out as if from nowhere, usually in a spiteful remark.Leaves you feeling confused, uneasy and off balance.

    • @Stillpril
      @Stillpril 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes. Exactly. I am so glad you said this. This is what I have been dealing with and I can never explain it.

    • @supernovaspirit79
      @supernovaspirit79 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      @MrsAnn indeed it is. The damage done by these specific type of covert narcs is irreparable, it's caused me life long harm and lots of time trying to figure out why. Happy holidays to you.x.

  • @jodiwalimaki5809
    @jodiwalimaki5809 6 ปีที่แล้ว +120

    They are always discrediting you.

  • @woofiedog7452
    @woofiedog7452 5 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    Tight stomach, headaches, feeling obsessed with what they mean, never feeling comfortable around someone, feeling the need to research their background or play detective by searching phone messages, rummaging through pockets, listening at doors, checking mail and bank statements, wanting to distance yourself from them are all signs that something is wrong with the relationship - even if you can't identify intellectually what it is with no actual tangible evidence to show for your energy burning efforts to feel comfortable and reassured. If you felt reassured you would not need to feel or do any of these things.

  • @thegrassyknoll7792
    @thegrassyknoll7792 6 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    Learned the lesson, paid the prize, got out alive, took the trip back to earth, landed the spaceship, scorched and beaten up....and now im analyzing the data.....wooow what a trip... and thanks to the narcissist, for beeing the messenger, telling me what i need to work on.😎🤘🏻

    • @setanta1966
      @setanta1966 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ace

    • @JB-lm9ui
      @JB-lm9ui 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Allan ... No. Your statement might reflect an ok attitude for someone coming out of a short relationship with a narco but for children going through entire lifetime of narco abuse and having to go no-contact with people they do still love (or being completely shunned by those people) is just absolutely heart-wrenching and sickening. It's total psy-op abuse, period. There's no "thanking the narco" for using you as a host for their parasitism for all your formative years of life. This is a very serious topic. Most of us who've Truly gone through this kind of abuse have had to make lemonaid out of lemons for way, way, way too long, so please don't make light of it by implying that a survivor should just "be thankful" to the narco for the "amazing ride" - that is yet another way to try and diminish the seriousness of it and deflect responsibility of the narco for what they've put on someone else. We survivors have been taking responsibility for the narcos for far, far too long. Basically your statement is blame-shifting.

    • @sharinamadrigal5140
      @sharinamadrigal5140 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Allan Lauritsen Hahahaha! Exactly what I’m feeling now. Just went through the discard phase. My eyes are open now.

  • @sunbeagle9769
    @sunbeagle9769 6 ปีที่แล้ว +155

    All spiritual vampires; do not invite one in.

  • @GenerallySmiling
    @GenerallySmiling 5 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    I love at the end how they uplift each other and they both leave with smiles and feeling good about themselves and the other person. This is what healthy looks like. CLUE: if you often and usually feel small and insignificant after being in a particular person's presence and can't see any overt reason for you feeling this way, then there is something going on energetically that is very wrong. Trust this feeling!!!

  • @realitycheck4829
    @realitycheck4829 6 ปีที่แล้ว +75

    I have the perfect example of what your talking about.
    He says to me..."your so beautiful...even those lines in between your eyebrows" With a smirk on his face when he said it too.
    Fully knowing I was insecure about that.
    I was like...what the hell kind of compliment was that? A backhanded one! But that's what they do.

    • @MsWaif
      @MsWaif 6 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Reality Check Ugh, that's awful! My favorite backhanded compliment I got from my ex was, "I still find you attractive." Gee, thanks, that makes me feel great. 😒 Any kind of compliment from him was few and far between over the course of our 20 year relationship. As time went on, I got the impression it was almost painful for him to voice them.

    • @realitycheck4829
      @realitycheck4829 6 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Laura Neary Smith it takes a very weak person to have to try and crush someone else's self esteem to make themselves feel better. It's pathetic really

    • @marirussell3929
      @marirussell3929 6 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      I lost 30 lbs and he never, ever acknowledged it or praised my efforts. Do you know how hard it is to lose wt, especailly with a fat-shaming NPD?

    • @jklax
      @jklax 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @RC
      That's also a technique called "negging" I think. It's used in social settings too to pick up women and it works.

    • @petrapan8240
      @petrapan8240 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Jay Klaxton Can you elaborate a bit?

  • @lauriemeerlarock5649
    @lauriemeerlarock5649 6 ปีที่แล้ว +109

    "That toxic hope...."
    That's Oxytocin that spikes "in anticipation of being loved". Great vid.

    • @jjjreese
      @jjjreese 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Hope dope

  • @HisWordisLife4U
    @HisWordisLife4U 5 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    What the narc means when they say the hate drama is: they hate everyone else's drama. They want exclusive drama rights.

  • @hopesprings617
    @hopesprings617 7 ปีที่แล้ว +153

    Does anyone else deal with a covert who constantly says “it wasn’t intentional?”

    • @DevonExplorer
      @DevonExplorer 7 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      Yes! Not now, but a boyfriend some decade or so ago always said 'well, that wasn't my intent!' if I pointed out something hurtful he'd done or said. Once or twice I can understand, but it was all the time.

    • @hopesprings617
      @hopesprings617 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      FoxyDevonLady 🙏 thank you

    • @RegineAteliers
      @RegineAteliers 7 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Absolutely! I am actually in a relationship with my ex spouse who has NPD. I call out all of the sick behavior (and mind you, this person is walking the chalk line because they know that I know). One of the things I hear is "It wasn't intentional." Basically, it's the lie they tell themselves. If they could let the wall down, they wouldn't lie to themselves or others. They would WANT to confront the behaviors within themselves that destroy deep and meaningful relationships. But here's the thing; and it's a big one. They have NEVER HAD A REAL HUMAN CONNECTION. They're not seeking it because they really don't know what it feels like. My analogy: If you never had chocolate, you wouldn't crave it.

    • @rockinout4990
      @rockinout4990 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Queens Little Corner Wait so you're still in a relationship with this guy?

    • @RegineAteliers
      @RegineAteliers 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      yep! It's a work in progress...

  • @themusicmaniac84
    @themusicmaniac84 6 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    This makes me just want to stay single forever.

    • @nato2panama
      @nato2panama 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ha. Ha!!! Hilarious!

  • @newbeginnings1543
    @newbeginnings1543 5 ปีที่แล้ว +77

    Sometimes this type withholds compliments. Or gives backhanded ones. They’ll only give nice compliments once in a while. Thank you for helping so many people 😊

    • @laurenholly1849
      @laurenholly1849 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Compliments are given as a reward for being a submissive character in their game or for getting you hooked before they reveal their real colors.

    • @suspiciousminds5847
      @suspiciousminds5847 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@laurenholly1849 , you nailed it!
      👏👏👏

    • @kandikisses8858
      @kandikisses8858 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      My mother doesn’t compliment me at all but apparently she brags about me to everyone. To my face, she tries to tear me down but to the world, I’m amazing! It’s the biggest mind phuck!

    • @maryannerazzano7692
      @maryannerazzano7692 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      So true

    • @pope1089
      @pope1089 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Your a great father but ur a horrible person. You've a lovely face but ur just nasty. Your a lovely person till people get to know you.

  • @Me-wk3ix
    @Me-wk3ix 6 ปีที่แล้ว +134

    It's difficult when you grow up with a parent that is narcissist (overt or covert). You can have great intentions in your relationships, but you've grown up being trained that anything you're feeling is not valid if it's not convenient. As an adult you can really struggle with open communication and find yourself resorting to some of those passive aggressive tactics without even fully realizing it until later. Part of it is that when you do want or need something you fear you'll be dismissed or considered too needy if you outright ask for it. You (often unfairly) assume the person just won't listen or care. The need doesn't go away though, and so those feelings seep out at times in ways that are less healthy than honest and open communication.

    • @Jodeekowgirl
      @Jodeekowgirl 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Me thank you for sharing this, you articulated how I feel
      and how I am in relationships! At 45yo I have been working on myself for the past 2 years and healing decades of trauma inflicted on me by my Narc mother. Now I can see how my self worth was smashed at a young age and how I often attract subconsciously a Narc partner. It’s so frustrating! So much work to do and I can see how the programming as a child is keeping me stuck in trauma now. I’ve just figured out words and sentences that were said to me during my childhood, that have been running my subconscious all my adult life! So grateful to Meredith and her amazing work and the community here. I always know I can come here and I am understood not judged! 🙏🏻💞

    •  5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Less us more. Don't overshare. I tell myself this everyday!

    • @yurianvise1672
      @yurianvise1672 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      This I think describes me, but I also think I am a covert narc myself. I've been raised by a dad who I think he really hated me , never gave me anything emotionally. I think that I am a covert b cause I don't want people be around me sometimes and I think most of the time only at myself. I also am cold with people, what's the deal could I be an covert ? I mean even if am I'm, I don't wanna abuse others . I've done it in the past and it was so freaking lame , I'm a piece of shit for this I know. I don't wanna drag attention or something , but I don't know,

    • @yurianvise1672
      @yurianvise1672 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@coastcrystal7671 thanks bro , God bless you and your family .

    • @MsOthomson
      @MsOthomson 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      This is so true. I grew up in a narc household and struggle to ask for help or ask for simple things to get my needs met. Over the years I have isolated myself from people to avoid rejection.

  • @catelewis7223
    @catelewis7223 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    The sabotage of things that mean the most. Omg it tears you apart.

  • @priyanesan3299
    @priyanesan3299 5 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    In a nut shell.
    Words must match actions.
    Loving words with zero action is a dead end.

    • @bellarose6501
      @bellarose6501 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I would say this and he seemed confused as if he didn't understand the concept. Words are only words, actions must match what you say otherwise they are meaningless. That would make him upset.

  • @cherylstorm6261
    @cherylstorm6261 5 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    Disguised as concern by telling/worrying you by listing all the negative things that can happen to you if you dont do what they want you to do. They feed off of adding stress to a stressful situation.

  • @theirishromeo8719
    @theirishromeo8719 5 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    I remember coming in from work one night..opened the house door,my narc(was upstairs)She gave me a big happy"Hi Daddy",when she heard me come in(she was giving our 1 year old son a bath)..I went up the stairs, to see a completely different demeanour to the person that just gave the big happy welcome seconds before.
    Very subdued.
    Dead eyes.
    Very disconnected.
    Zero happiness.
    And this wasn't exhaustion on her behalf....this was something else..covert narcissism is very complexed,and so under the radar.

  • @wakeup721
    @wakeup721 6 ปีที่แล้ว +85

    I lowered my standards big time! I loved him so much and wanted it to be right I allowed big, huge things to continue to happen. Not to say I didn’t try, was always made to feel I should take another pill and calm down, I was remembering wrong, I blew it out of proportion...it was always thrown in my lap. Yet the hard evidence of what HE DID DO was right there. He did switch legal documents, he did manipulate me with two financial documents, he did allow his sons to disrespect me, he did disappear twice for weeks at a time, so much more. He DID DO these things, I’m not crazy. I am divorced now and struggling because I fell in love with a robotic shell of a man who only had me around because it suited him. It is a huge awakening to know I was being honest with everything I did and he was being dishonest. It was painful and I still struggle with self doubt even today knowing the truth. He absolutely shredded my heart and fed it to the wolves.

    • @gentleasa5728
      @gentleasa5728 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Wake Up soo true eerily similar to the last 21 yrs of my life I truly feel your pain. At this point onward March is my war cry .Attempting to re enter society after 21 yrs of being a domestic goddess🤱🏃‍♀️what are u good at well honestly hard work and a million little things no one else had time for starters . Maybe a fixer ?

    • @relandmcclure1038
      @relandmcclure1038 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wake Up he is the wolf! But you’re talking about my life as well! Oh the show for either all to say how awesome he is or how crazy I am.......geez! My boys finally saw through my ex’s bs, unfortunately, at their expense. One thing they credit me for is I never involved them with our problems or divorce. He, on the other hand, bashed me, lied & continues to do so to all. Since nobody cares enough to hear my side, I cut all ties with common so called friends. I don’t talk about him nor do I ask about him. I’m simply there for my boys and allow them to vent. They’re grown and have always been very close to me because of his explosive anger, control, & put down tactics. We endured his narcissistic abuse together.
      I was also deeply in love with the fake persona he presented to all. His self righteous bs became very evident when he had his affair & continued lying & deceiving me about it & everything else. His own sons love him but have zero respect for him. He brought that on himself! I’m sure in his mind it’s my fault. I still haven’t shared everything with them. He killed my youngest sons military career & then college! Ugh! My boys are the only real thing to come out of our union. I’m glad to be completely free of him! I’m not bitter nor do I hate him. My boys get enough of that from his hatred of me.
      I hope you continue healing & moving forward! Hugs, sugar!

    • @feliciarobinson2596
      @feliciarobinson2596 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      My Heart Totally goes out to you💖 I truly understand. Your comments are my story as well.... You Are Walking In Favor because You survived the BEAST. he didn't and couldn't kill you because you are mentally strong. It may not feel like it, but your emotional & mental existence is proof. I'm A Survivor Also!

    • @laurenholly1849
      @laurenholly1849 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They want someone around because they like the feeling of attention being lavished on them, makes them feel good about themselves, meanwhile, they will not offer you one shred of respect.

    • @canadianlady777
      @canadianlady777 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Lauren Holly...I think he only wants me around for a ‘status symbol’...His first wife was a good looking woman, I’m not ugly and I think he tried to find me as soon as he was served divorce papers from his first wife...He was sure to make her out as the only one at fault...I’m 70 almost, and unable to leave him half of the house I paid for from an inheritance...The law is somewhat on his side on this issue...I need a good lawyer and a great judge to favour me and my welfare for a change..

  • @MasterMalrubius
    @MasterMalrubius 7 ปีที่แล้ว +194

    I believe the ending portion was the most illuminating. If someone makes you queasy when you're with them then there is a big issue. If you find yourself confused as to the status of the relationship, there is an issue. If a person says one thing and acts differently, it's an issue. When you put all these things together you will finally come to the understanding that this person is being false. Once you reach this point it become incumbent on the individual to begin clarifying the issues and getting resolution to the confusion. If you cannot do that then the only option is to remove yourself from the relationship. It will not be getting any better.

    • @hopesprings617
      @hopesprings617 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Andrew Boehmer thank you for this

    • @MasterMalrubius
      @MasterMalrubius 7 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      Unfortunately, I've learned that we try to hard with this type of person. Always giving the benefit of the doubt. That is what really hurts is when we see how much time, energy and emotional effort we could have saved had to paid attention. Best wishes to you.

    • @DevonExplorer
      @DevonExplorer 7 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      I completely agree, Andrew; I'm always afraid that I might be overly condemning because we all make mistakes and none of us is perfect - and I know that I often make mistakes as I'm certainly not perfect - so giving the benefit of the doubt is a good thing to do. Interestingly, it just occurred to me that people with toxic traits don't give us the benefit of the doubt though, and their 'punishments' are well over proportion to the perceived wrongdoing. Unfortunately, it's very hard to spot with these sneaky coverts as they hide it so well.

    • @vampireslayer1989
      @vampireslayer1989 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yep.

    • @michellechangeagentcoleman
      @michellechangeagentcoleman 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      this is really disappointing especially when you're back on the dating scene. learning to trust my intuition and uneasy feelings. So you should try to clarify the issues with the person, or just drop them like a bad habit?

  • @evalindqvist1253
    @evalindqvist1253 5 ปีที่แล้ว +59

    About giving gifts: my mom gave me a blouse once and said: "I thought it would be nice for you to have something thst looks good." All the time being nice but with that touch of evil.

    • @Skinny4406
      @Skinny4406 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Ahhh, the endless digs of the Narcissistic Mom. ... Don't dare say a word, because then you are just too overly sensitive. So predictable.

    • @JennyFB1281
      @JennyFB1281 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      This. 100%. Expert use of the backhanded compliment.

    • @falconbritt5461
      @falconbritt5461 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      "You'd be so pretty if you'd just smile more." "You'd be pretty if you'd just put on makeup."

    • @Skinny4406
      @Skinny4406 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@falconbritt5461 ... geez, you're too sensitive ....
      Nevermind what she's saying about you when you don't have makeup on or smile
      🤨 ...

    • @falconbritt5461
      @falconbritt5461 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Skinny4406 Exactly. Then there's the direct, "You walk like a gorilla." At least that's direct, but I'm still too sensitive. ;-)

  • @davidoconnell1173
    @davidoconnell1173 6 ปีที่แล้ว +179

    The “communication” thing is such a trap. It is the most subtle form of gaslighting.

    • @nyinyibito1757
      @nyinyibito1757 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Hi have learnt this, i was not sure but i have been suspecting my boyfriend to be covert narc, this man you cant communicate with him, be it in whatsapp or in real, in whatsapp this narc could only communicate with sending his pictures, and the family, this guy is ever busy either with family, extended families, friends, partying with friends, he always seems restless, but i think he tried to manupulate me but he failed, anytime im with him, my brain never function, i cant remember anything when im with him,my brain is always shut, i thought of going to see memory doctor, he started calling me names that im crazy, eventhough, have never spend a full whole day with him, all what i know hes so full of himself, this man has no empathy, have always been asking him, his sence of humour, another thing, whenever we text his text are based on sexting and exchanging pictures, in this case he can adjust his words, without, he could ignored my text or send me two words, o was sick this man never text me askibg me how im feeling, at some point i asked him, why he has no homour, not even asking me how was my day, all base on him, i have always to initiate conversation, he likes ghosting me, but i didnt know anything about narc, i remember recentely i told him i wont fall a victim of his narcissist approach, i even told him im tired of his pictures coz i dont date pictures and are not of my intrest since im a woman, i told him to look for anothing victim whom will be praising his pictures, sexting him and exchanging nudes, i didnt know about supply, he always focused on what i dont like, when we first met, i complained several times him sending me pictures and requesting me constantly to send him my pictures in return, after doing online research i thought it was normal, he lured me on this, he stated sending me his pictures in GIF, o exploded, i insult him ,call him names, i even forwarded online article of narcissist, buy focusing on his look ,i told hime never to send me GIF anymore,covert are like small kids, they never listen, recently he started sending me his Videos with Bloomberg, i asked him if his back to GIF, i was so furios, i again i told him i dont have enough space on my phone to store such stupid videos with scary facial Expression, he stopped for one week he started again, i remember he once told me im so diffrence with all his girls, i know why he told me this because im never agreed in Supply. .have been with him for 1 1/2, i dont his friends, even though this man has alot of friends, both male and females, now im starting to believe even the pictures of him with girls hes been sending me, im starting to believe this were the Supply. ..have never seen a male man with lots of friends, hes always busy, he could mert me in the day or afternoon, i once spend a night at his place, the guy was so restless till i started to be restless, he faked a phone call that his collique need a hard disk at 01:00am in the night, i told him im not going anywhere that im tired ,if he feels likes going he can locked me inside, it was away of throwing me out, he eventually asked to pay me taxi, simply because, i asked him, why communication is a problem between us, thats how he blew he used the excuse that its me who is taking time to reply, if you see our that my chat are lenthy his chats are not longer than four words,this approach draines me to core, often times after confronting him of his behaviour, ill end up apologising not knowing the reason for that, hes words does not march his action, his so selfish, greedy,he has never invited me for dinner or lunch, even if i asked him help maybe with my studies, or something at home is broken, he has never helped me.. God not going back let him ghost me, he doesnt want to block me, i wont block him,let me give him hopes ill be back as always, he will really wait..., i wished to spend time with him, grt to know him, but this man denies me access to know him... let him find another Supply. .

    • @jht3fougifh393
      @jht3fougifh393 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@nyinyibito1757 If this person is so horrible, why are you with him? Leave. Don't question yourself. This post says it all. It's how you feel. It's valid. Just... leave him.

    • @shannon8315
      @shannon8315 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      They don't share, they gather ammunition.

    • @deerene
      @deerene 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@shannon8315 If they do share information, it's all fabricated.

    • @bereal6590
      @bereal6590 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      They aren't communicating, at least not how I understand it to be. My mom now 80, knows absolutely near zero about who I was as a child about what I felt or thought or who I was and now at 56 she still has no clue. They don't and aren't interested in communication because they feel no need to know you

  • @Maiasatara
    @Maiasatara 6 ปีที่แล้ว +87

    Yes, this is my mother. (I believe she is also Borderline. The way I describe it is: They are giving but there's always a price. An emotional price. And they only give SO they can make you pay. Complete sadists.

  • @DjDiLaRa
    @DjDiLaRa 5 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    15:40 yes my mother always talks about other peoples daughters like they are perfect :) and she doesnt say it but means I cannot measure up! wow!

    • @countingthecosttofollowChrist
      @countingthecosttofollowChrist 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      They seem to say things to make you feel small so it gives them control over you.

    • @2008LadyLaura
      @2008LadyLaura 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You are beautiful and theres something seriously wrong with her that she feels the need to passively aggressively compare you. You are worthy, and please look up reprogramming and or learned behavior by a narc.

    • @wgrady222
      @wgrady222 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I know the feeling, I used to get told at 6 my friends were all clever, why did she have to have the stupid daughter.

    • @2008LadyLaura
      @2008LadyLaura 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lisacoates4967
      I feel your pain but don't worry we are all God's children.
      He doesn'tcare if we are famous smart etc. He loves us anyway.

    • @2008LadyLaura
      @2008LadyLaura 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lisacoates4967
      Your entitled to your opinion✨☄❤🕊
      We are more to life than what's on this earth.
      We are the only intellectual beings on the earth and have dominion over it.
      There are angels and demons etc.
      We are ruled by princes' and principalities invisibly and for some people they've actually experienced the paranormal.
      Anyway, I don't want to start preaching. To each his own.
      Seek n you'll find. I walk by faith not by sight. We all have free choice. Much Love to you ☺😇

  • @marshabrown8343
    @marshabrown8343 7 ปีที่แล้ว +88

    I am the only child of a covert narcissist. I feel like my role switched at varying times between being both the scapegoat AND the golden child. I feel like this form of abuse is deeply damaging and isolating. I'm learning a lot from your videos and from the videos of a few others. It's extremely validating for me.

    • @deniselarsson7321
      @deniselarsson7321 7 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Marsha Brown I come from a similar experience, you’re not alone

    • @ronesss33
      @ronesss33 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Marsha Brown this is exactly my situation too and it has set me up for all relationships with c'narcs throughout my life. I have never had any major issues with the overt type as I have been able to more easily call them out

    • @cw6621
      @cw6621 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Same here. Mine has cost me everything sacred in my life. He's vile and evil and I spent the first half of my life letting him steam roll me. Now, I'm the evil person bc I want him away from me and my kids. Now I'm 'alienating' his grandchildren even though he's abused me to the point that I miscarried and developed autoimmune disorder that's also about killed me. I noticed the evil when I got sick and he only tried to exacerbate my illness and isolate my children from me. Everything the Dr said I shouldn't have going on was going on. Stress is THE #1 killer with my disease. He'd "pfft" and laugh at me when I'd try to relax, ignore me and tell me I was wrong when I'd speak (in my own house!), tell my kids I'm stupid, and pluck at me if I tried to nap. I literally thought I was dying and he tried to make it worse. That was when I realized what an awful person he was so I started paying attention. He's a deacon of a church and tells the whole congregations business while they think he's just so sweet. He even tells ppl he thinks the pastor is a pedophile (he's not that I can tell) and acts like he's their best friends to their faces. His wife goes thru hell living with him, but she enables him (she also developed autoimmune disorder, but I'm sure it's a coincidence *sarcasm*), so I figure she asks for it.
      He even caused my kids to almost get took bc he was bullying somebody else who tried to get even with him. Never told me it came through him and let me believe it was my ex husband. He came between my kids and their dad, then pushed me out. This shit is never going to end. Told me when hubby left, "I'll help you with money. " I'd rather have prostituted to get by now that my eyes are open. If he has anything to do with it, he'll kill me before it's over. He loves destroying my relationship with EVERYONE, but my kids are where I draw the line. I'm getting too stressed again like before I got sick. I'm praying he finds other supply soon so I can get away from my family and heal. They've been abusing me and bullying me since I was a little kid. I've always had to live three steps forward and two back bc he sabotages everything in my life.
      Please don't accept help from a narcissist! Do anything but that! It's a trap! I used to think my mother was full of shit when she'd tell me stories about them being married. I'm seeing now that my mother was telling the truth. Not speaking to her for 2 weeks then finding out it's bc mashed potatoes weren't the way he wanted. He'll talk to his wife like a dog if she stands before he's done eating. He'll stop eating. Used to act like my house was nasty bc we had a dog OUTSIDE bc he hated dogs. Then, out of nowhere had a dog and acts like he's always loved dogs his whole life. It's maddening. I could go in for years with examples. Sorry I hijacked you. Your comment hit so close to home. I pray you find a way out and get to have a life. I'm 34 and I might have had one whole year to find myself. That's just the weekend days when he doesn't come to my house bc "HE has things to do." Must be nice to get to have plans and do things when you want. I feel like I'll never know.
      If he wasn't abusive and actually trying to foster good things in my kids, I wouldn't care if he came all day, every day. I didn't know what his true intentions were. Now I have to look back and question lots of things. All the seeds he planted in mine and my kids lives to keep us from having anyone or anything. Was it an honest mistake when he worked on my car and left a whole tires lug nuts off? Was my ex husband wrong to be so pissed that he stole all of our sons time (the answer to that is a definite no), was I really stupid and wrong all my life (also no)...they're so chaotic on purpose that you start to realize how much easier life would've been without them, yet they've deluded everyone into thinking they're martyrs for "all they've done for you." All mine has done is abused me and my two kids. His GC is my oldest son and he flat tells my other two he doesn't like them and that my oldest is the only good one. He's a frigging nut, I'm telling you.
      Last thing, I promise. Speaking of bdays, on mine last year (six months after I lost my baby after his fit), he never acknowledged it, but asked me when my brother's was bc he said he was afraid he'd miss it. Wtf?! Sat at my house all day so my spouse couldn't do shit for me, but wouldn't even acknowledge me and only insulted me all day. There's gotta be a special place in hell.

    • @marshabrown8343
      @marshabrown8343 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      chenoa wooton please get as far away from this abuse as you possibly can. You can stand on your own two feet and make a life for yourself and your family. Also...pray and get help ( informed and professional) with the healing process. I understand and relate to everything you've written. I'm praying we'll have complete healing. Love and hugs.
      Marsha

    • @kellyj.mistretta2717
      @kellyj.mistretta2717 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I am the oldest of 3. The scapegoat and also the now (non existent) one. No contact for over 20 years. I don't miss the manipulation or abuse.

  • @vampireslayer1989
    @vampireslayer1989 7 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    This information is good. I had a covert narcissist in my life and sadly did not know anything about Cluster B Disorders until almost a year AFTER the relationship ended. I ended it during the "devaluation" stage (although I did not know what that was at the time). It was only during my third therapy session that the psychologist said "Do you think that she is a narcissist?" . I spent nearly 18 months bringing myself up to speed via Google and TH-cam (thanks Meridith!). I did determine that "mine" was actually a Borderline with many dissociative identities. The most dominant being the covert sadistic narcissist. All Cluster B’s gaslight, smear, devalue, mirror, project, discard, lie, blame-shift, deflect, triangulate and make crazy.
    Keep up the good work ladies.

  • @lisaowens2523
    @lisaowens2523 5 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    This has been my life since 1985. I am getting out now with the help of a great therapist, my daughter and my sister. Everything you have said is 100% spot on. No one in my life has ever seen that he has a problem. But OMG the gossip thing just blew me away. I am just now figuring this out as his method of pitting people against each other at work.

  • @breesan4446
    @breesan4446 6 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Wonderful Video...After about 1 year of research on Narcissistic Abuse...this video has given me my "Closure".
    I knew it all along something always felt odd. My intuition was TELLING me all along to run!

  • @Eggy739
    @Eggy739 6 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    12 years and I am only an eggshell of my former self now. This is so empowering for me. Im at the point where I’m very angry now after I’ve realized how submissive I have been. I don’t wanna do this anymore but I’m running in circles...😭

    • @lesliecase2556
      @lesliecase2556 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      April Pryor try to get out, it only gets worse. Thirty one years with my husband/narc has left me feeling so angry and bitter. I just want revenge but how. Leaving is the best solution. Start over fresh and be careful next time.

    • @canadianlady777
      @canadianlady777 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I’m 70 years old so I don’t think I need any growing up to do...I just need to realize that my narcissist isn’t going to change his ways...and I might as well give up caring for him..

    • @jessicocinayviajes
      @jessicocinayviajes 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You must set your own boundaries. Write in a paper your boundaries. And after try to re enforce them. Ans also important: learn to say no.

    • @sueb5557
      @sueb5557 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      1) trust yourself and what you know to be true about him. 2) Do not isolate 3) find the courage to make a new life for yourself. Narcissistic behavior does not simmer down as a person gets older.

  • @sarahbranson6110
    @sarahbranson6110 5 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    I love that comment TOXIC HOPE. That explains so much.
    Nearly everything you two are saying is Spot on to my marriage of 34 years. I kept saying before I married him. Something is not right. But I could not put my finger on what. Everyone I talked to told me how wonderful he was and I would be crazy not to marry him. But all my warning flags were flying high and I just caved and listened to everyone's praises. But my reality with him. Is like living a ROLLER COASTER NIGHTMARE. The Birthday thing made me laugh out loud. I wondered why he picked a fight on every one of my birthdays and the next day would pretend to want to bring you flowers. Every holiday the same. I have not received gifts or tenderness, or compassion when sick. I feel like I am Cinderella before the Ball and He is the Wicked Step Parent. I have just recently figured out that he is a Covert Narcissist with a Sociopathic override. OMG, how enlightening for me, but my other family members still are being so fooled and easily manipulated by his shit. Can't wait till they all see through him.

    • @astercite
      @astercite 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I have the same story!!!! 15 yrs, as soon as I was dependent on him, he started the discard phase!

    • @shawnaalbert9738
      @shawnaalbert9738 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I hear you
      I’m at 34 years 30 married and just finally figuring it out
      It is like a frog sat in hot water will let itself be boiled to death
      Being groomed to just not even know if I’m being slowly
      Strategically dismantled

  • @lmgeeke
    @lmgeeke 6 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I knew I wasn’t going crazy! I have been dealing with a person like this for almost 30 years believe it or not. I’m so grateful that I discovered this video. I’ve recently cut this person out of my life and have been questioning whether I was being paranoid about everything that’s happened but this video explains so much! Thanks for sharing x

    • @christianpulisic7784
      @christianpulisic7784 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      littlemiss geeke,You are beautiful 🌹🌹🌺,You don't need a narc 😈 in your life!!

  • @spacecat5517
    @spacecat5517 6 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    Covert?!!! Thank you for this! This is/was my mother. I'm crying right now because YES YES YES! I now know I have answers and a path to discovery and healing.
    This breaks my heart having been adopted and then raised this way by a single parent (dad died at 2). I've just felt so orphaned and couldn't explain why.
    Not sure I can ever be "normal", but this helps.

    • @maggslx
      @maggslx 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      There is no "normal" right? I used to say that too but now I make the effort not to because I started to feel saying that was
      1 not true
      2 victimising myself
      3 justifying the all shit I felt to be or felt like doing
      4 and vanity too. a certain hide felling of superiority about not being that normal. An arrogant excentricity in a way...
      Like the portuguese say in a funny way "todos iguais, todos anormais", "all equal, all abnormal"
      OK does this make any sense? :) God bless you
      And saying.. you know, the word is the most powerful energy. The word can break or build. Chosing the words we use is very important because they materialize. Be careful with the words you use but genuine. Not easy though ;) "death does not come from what goes in your mouth, but from what comes out of your mouth" a lesson by Jesus Christ

  • @jcherry664
    @jcherry664 5 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    They create drama anywhere they go, they feed on drama. They are pathetic! 🤨

  • @judysorenson7922
    @judysorenson7922 6 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    I have been married to mine almost 55 years. I didn't know what was wrong with him until my daughters told me he is a Narcissist. It is amazing how this describes him. Thank you so much for this video.

    • @InnerIntegration
      @InnerIntegration  6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Amazing your kids figured it out!

    • @vickie6662
      @vickie6662 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Bless you lady. 🙏 I thought 28 yrs was a long time to live with one. 🤪

    • @vickie6662
      @vickie6662 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @MrsAnn prayer and one day at a time.

    • @vickie6662
      @vickie6662 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      @MrsAnn I agree. Very cruel people. Praying for you.

    • @nicolepsy
      @nicolepsy 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I've just recently figured out that I've been married to one for 20 years. I can't begin to imagine 30+ more years of this hell and I have no intention of letting that happen. My heart hurts so badly for you, Judy. Love and light to you!

  • @AmandaTKGK
    @AmandaTKGK 6 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    My whole body got the chills when you talked about the "sophisticated model."

  • @Eleni_skg
    @Eleni_skg 5 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    As I was listening the video I was crying, because there in front of me was my life... Cognitive dissonance the most powerful thing that kept me in my marriage with a covert narcissist. I'm trying to heel all my traumas from my childhood until now. No more doubts about who i am, what i see and feel. I learned to trust myself. I now know what my relationship wasn't and what isn't.
    Sorry for my English I'm not American.

  • @ideapatch
    @ideapatch 6 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    This is perhaps the most accurate description of the covert narc abuser I’ve ever come across. Wow!

  • @mariedecosta9691
    @mariedecosta9691 7 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    I totally identify with this! Thanks ladies I always thought it was me. I’m no longer with my boyfriend that I believe was a narcissist. This helps so much trying to get over this and move on with my life!

  • @dienekesghost6132
    @dienekesghost6132 4 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    They always say “you’re too sensitive, you’re reading into it too much” etc.

    • @watfordgap6737
      @watfordgap6737 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Are you really sure? I don't think you have got that right? I don't remember that detail ? You mean you are not actually doing a full days work? ( Smiles but voice increasingly distant ,lacking empathy)
      Suddenly interrupts you changing subject but becomes inappropriately elated later on while largely ignoring you .Then goes quiet.Starts talking, timing herself deliberately to interfere/ talk across someone else in the room. Throws in a few bits of praise but then abruptly switches into disparaging comments ( keeps smiling ).
      If you suddenly attack a covert narc catching them off guard they cannot explain why they have said something which is obvious bullshit .The masks slips.The big strain is having to concentrate all the time to make sure you are listening .If you miss something anxiety will increase.

    • @bereal6590
      @bereal6590 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You're too sensitive, you're too.......... fill in the blank. It's always ýou re too, and never ever them! I'd never speak to my fam the way they speak to me

  • @PPMOCRG
    @PPMOCRG 5 ปีที่แล้ว +78

    They fool people so completely sometimes. When my covert narcissist father died, the neighbor who had been friends with him came to the house and just sobbed on my shoulder about what a loss, and what a good man...bla...bla...blaa. I felt so bad for this man. He had no idea who my father really was. I was relieved when he died.

    • @laurenholly1849
      @laurenholly1849 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I can understand the feeling of relief!

    • @withgoddess7164
      @withgoddess7164 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @Otie Jason lol troll

    • @carmel-wayfinder5401
      @carmel-wayfinder5401 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @Otie Jason who are you to judge for some people have not worked through their emotional trama 🙄

    • @carmel-wayfinder5401
      @carmel-wayfinder5401 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @Otie Jason feeling grandiose are you?

    • @withgoddess7164
      @withgoddess7164 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@carmel-wayfinder5401 lol ...he is..

  • @kaylabryson1932
    @kaylabryson1932 6 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Excellent ... it's pretty amazing to me how smartened up we are getting to this plague because of wonderful people like yourselves, who have devoted your lives to helping people . Thank you both !!!!

  • @jackiekittie6135
    @jackiekittie6135 5 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Thank you, ladies. I was raised by a closet narcissist who had me totally in her grip for 30 years of my life. I want to believe I left early enough to rebuild.

    • @bronwyntanner4501
      @bronwyntanner4501 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I finally set myself free from the narc mother at 54 years old. March 2013. Happy joyous and free

  • @Autumn_Forest_
    @Autumn_Forest_ 6 ปีที่แล้ว +161

    God, I needed this SO MUCH!!! I just left a relationship with an extreme covert narcissist three days ago, and I have never felt so validated and understood in my life as I do after having watched this video. Thank you both, from the bottom of my heart.

    • @MissaPality
      @MissaPality 6 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Nakidz I am in the same boat! After 25 years of marriage to a covert narcissist I finally feel validated. He alienated me from friends and family, neighbors, parents, etc. I stayed for the kids and because he made me feel like I couldn't make it without him supporting me. He told me last May he was divorcing me. He actually told our children 2 weeks before me and made them keep it from me. He made the decision to end the marriage because his mother left her trust in a trustee's hands and instructed them to not let him have anything if we remained married. He was an only child and she was equally as bad.

    • @livingfree7153
      @livingfree7153 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Nakidz me too-I’m in the middle of a break up but it was supposed to be a friendship but he was THIS WAY for sure! I was always trying to diagnose his problems-there were A LOT of problems! Augh!

    • @shinebabyshine.
      @shinebabyshine. 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Good for you! Peace, strength and happiness to you

    • @andreemarino3794
      @andreemarino3794 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Thank you Ladies...how i love the clarity of this conversation!! I feel validated and not feeling so alone and crazy. Toxic hope, thats me!! Anticipation of love. Good to know!!!!

    • @glowinthadark
      @glowinthadark 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Its easier to get rid of cock-roaches ...but Im three days in too...hope I stay strong...they it all

  • @donnyhudgins1917
    @donnyhudgins1917 5 ปีที่แล้ว +64

    This video is my soon to be ex wife explained perfectly! Nobody knows her unless they've lived with her.

    • @dls300
      @dls300 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Exactly!

  • @ilovemycatsbro
    @ilovemycatsbro 5 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    When you tell them what bothers you, they give you a small break lol then they come back 10x worse than the first time.

    • @expandhealthinc.1887
      @expandhealthinc.1887 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      💯💯💯

    • @bereal6590
      @bereal6590 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      This is a great channel just come across it. They say oh sorry, you should have told me. 2 days later they'll be doing the exact same thing!

  • @rockinout4990
    @rockinout4990 6 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Dormant volcanoes. Wonderful way to describe my ex husband. I used to ask him if he is ok, and I'd keep asking & he'd get furious & yell at me! I always found it odd that he'd get angry at me for caring. But now it makes sense! And I can sense people's (even strangers) feelings before I speak to them, so I knew something was wrong with him.

  • @camaro6813
    @camaro6813 6 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Thank you, Thank you, Thank you for making this video!!! I absolutely needed to hear this and see that I AM NOT CRAZY!!!

    • @bubblerings
      @bubblerings 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Well, we were all a little bit crazy... for putting up with them for so long...
      -But, not anymore! Cheers!!!

  • @susanlester1
    @susanlester1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    My stomach tightens every time he calls me, when I’m driving home and he is there or when I’m home and I hear him coming in. He rarely answers me the first time I ask him a question. I have to repeat my self several times. I could go on and on.

    • @toastybutterscones1932
      @toastybutterscones1932 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      The red pillers call it initiating dread

    • @NS-uq9st
      @NS-uq9st 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Totally understand what you are going through

  • @grammytina373
    @grammytina373 6 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    After being raised by an overt abusive narcissist, and having been involved with several overt narcissists, I met a pastor who was a covert passive-aggressive narcissist and I was so glad that I could finally attract a man who I could trust. But I was so wrong! As soon as we got married and there was no challenge he suddenly wasn't interested in sex with me at all... and he started to have affairs (which he had admitted to me). Then when I tried to talk to my own pastor and his wife about it, my husband had so convinced them of how wonderful he was that they scolded me for being so distrusting of my husband! They couldn't see the way he talked about everyone in the church, and cussing about it, as soon as we got to the parking lot after church! It does seem like he was both covert and overt depending upon who he was around. I'm so glad that I finally learned to trust my own instincts! Thank you for this video! It has really let me know that I was right to get away from him.

  • @HollyAstralTattoo
    @HollyAstralTattoo 7 ปีที่แล้ว +203

    ‘Toxic hope’ sums it up perfectly!! 👌🏻

    • @NonnysHouse
      @NonnysHouse 6 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Hope was also in Pandora's Box... it's the most insidious curse.

    • @JudgeJulieLit
      @JudgeJulieLit 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hope was the last to fly out of Pandora's Box.

    • @clairvoyant5027
      @clairvoyant5027 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      To that: "live in hope, die in despair"

    • @shelbiloo3766
      @shelbiloo3766 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I call it "buying time"

    • @blueshoes915
      @blueshoes915 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      YES!!!

  • @christinehaigh9807
    @christinehaigh9807 5 ปีที่แล้ว +72

    False flattery and superficial love bombing.

    • @laurenholly1849
      @laurenholly1849 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Always a motive behind the flattery or affection....it's never about your worth to them.

    • @bellarose6501
      @bellarose6501 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ugh, it was usually done in front of his friends. He'd say, look how gorgeous she is, I'm so lucky to have such a wonderful woman in my life blah, blah, blah🙄
      He would never make me feel that way, only lip service, such a lonely existence. I felt starved of love, affection or care. Never really wanted to know me on a deep level, or have intimate conversations and when I would bring up any emotions about how I was feeling about the relationship or the lack of it he would fly into a rage.Truly heartbreaking.

  • @davidoconnell1173
    @davidoconnell1173 6 ปีที่แล้ว +76

    Don’t do therapy with them! Really good advice.

    • @sheroncreed3559
      @sheroncreed3559 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I walked out 6hrs before we were supposed to start 'counciling. The night before she said quote, "I think you need to leave asap because I think I'm going to kill you! The next morning she says, so are we going to counciling and give it 'one last ditch effort?" I said yes I'll see you at work we can talk them. I'd had two hours sleep, managed to get ready and go to work. I left at noon went to the house packed up my truck and was gone before she got home.
      She is still pissed about "me lying' to her she said. That's one thing a narcissist can't get over and that's turning the table and playing an unexpected hand against them to save yourself. With a narcissist, Out of the thousands of times we forgive, or gave the benefit of the doubt to 'them, instead of our gut, they find it intolerable that YOU would deceive 'them by lying in order to escape. The reason they can't tolerate that is because they know, Game's Over!

    • @asmrrosaa
      @asmrrosaa 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Sheron Creed i’m so glad you left her as soon as you could! I was so worried reading that phrase from her. Wishing you all the best

    • @pope1089
      @pope1089 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah if you have 10 years to waste go for it

  • @mayaandreaygrillomassar790
    @mayaandreaygrillomassar790 6 ปีที่แล้ว +144

    OMG - they seem angry, you ask if they are ok, they say "no, no, just tired.." !!!!!

    • @CapeFearCaneCorso
      @CapeFearCaneCorso 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      I actually had to cover my anger by saying"Im just tired" to keep the peace, and deal with my anger and pain as quietly as possible within myself. The times i did let loose on him to just get some of my anger out.... he would argue and berate me for hours, then go over how I never get over it and how I carry our arguments for days, "why can;t i just get over it", like he did....he would explode and then be perfectly fine the next minute, as though nothing happened(I now understand, he has no emotion or feeling other than anger and control)....I had to follow all the rules(made up as we went along) while he had his own set of rules for himself, which were usually opposite of the rules he made me fit into, and he set himself on a pedastool as to how fair he tries to be with everyone...and he could apologize so well...toxic hope was me best friend for years..Mine operated in both covert and overt to a textbook T...I finally woke up....

    • @rhonddalesley
      @rhonddalesley 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Cape Fear Cane Corso My hellish experience exactly! He’d rage at me for hours, bringing up whatever invented slights I’d made until it’d get to the point where I couldn’t remember what the initial point was, I’d be utterly exhausted and get the silent treatment for days afterwards until he’d start all over again, say he was leaving so I’d panic and beg him to stay and apologise for doing nothing wrong. Then it was over, till the next time.

    • @susanm5807
      @susanm5807 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Rhondda Lesley This was exactly my experience with my first NC ex of 15 years. Made the mistake of not taking time to talk and jumped into another relationship immediately after the divorce and got so lucky as to land another NC supposed. This one was more covert than the first! It suck up on me and now I avoid the arguments. I prefer not to listen to abusive shouting; plus I get severe anxiety as he starts asking questions and I always feel like I'm awful for not being able to give answers when my mind goes blank. Just thinking about it makes me suck to my stomach. And I hate the silent treatment; mother, ex and now husband again - manipulative behavior, I know but it still gets to me. I'm working on it. I have a plan, patience is required.

    • @blancagarcia5213
      @blancagarcia5213 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      En un retiro espiritual un sacerdote con maneras muy obvias gay, al inicio nos presentamos y pum me ataco o esta tipa es solo frente a todos y prácticamente les dijo que estaba mal y que no participaría en su dinámica los demás se arrastraron a él y fin aislada. Su divinidad alimentándose de mi. Des ga ra cia do. Nada que ver con lo espiritual. Egocéntrico malvadito

    • @wk1810
      @wk1810 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      My CN sister laughed at my emtional pain, and added a snarky quip. Later on, she sensed I was hurt and asked me "are you okay?" I told her what she did hurt me and I asked her why she did that. "Oh, I was just really tired that day".

  • @primaryfeathers
    @primaryfeathers 5 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    The covert can turn overt when you catch on and leave.

    • @asryn96
      @asryn96 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Absolutely. Always behind the scenes. They're despicable. Such drama queens.

    • @TA-cb1cn
      @TA-cb1cn 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes!

  • @SLH_2007
    @SLH_2007 6 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    Yep. My ex-pastor and their entire ministry did exactly that to me. This and your "narcissistic family" video describe 100% what they did.

  • @rhsb553
    @rhsb553 6 ปีที่แล้ว +187

    **nods head for over 51 minutes**

  • @joannabortner555
    @joannabortner555 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    You ladies are breathing life into me right now. Thank you for this. There is no validation and it is hard, especially when it is your mother.

  • @50hippiechick
    @50hippiechick 6 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Keep on with your you tube videos Meredith, it has saved my life on many occasions