Imagine if we had a Nürburgring in America. Tail of the dragon could be it, but it would have to be closed to the public and one way only. And it would also have to have safety features, soft barriers, run off areas etc.
Great job on the video! You hit the main important stuff someone who has never been needs to know. You provided good info considering you've only been once and live so far away. There are so many great roads, restaurants, and tidbits that a lot of the fun comes from exploring and learning it as you go.
Thanks for shooting this. I'm heading to the Tail for the first time tomorrow, and your tips definitely changed my approach. I'm sure you've kept tons of other drivers safe this year!
We never even heard of this till GPS took us down a few years ago. We was in a mini van. We didn’t know what we got into. Lol we would like to go back but definitely prepare next time. It was definitely beautiful!!
My brother and I rode this road early morning (7:30 AM) on 9/11/21 (a Saturday) on our motorcycles in the midst of a trip across the U.S. That was the absolute tail-end (no pun intended) of the ideal time to ride it. Heading north-to-south, we ran the whole length unimpeded. Once we arrived at Deals Gap, we noticed the traffic picking up. After hanging out for about an hour and a half at Deals Gap, we returned back south-to-north and were met with numerous vehicles holding us up considerably. The moral of the story: if you want to minimize your chances of running into congestion, go early, particularly during a weekend.
My advice after running that tail is SLOW DOWN. Myself I love that mountain, I love going fast, but there's spots that will literally make you respect that blacktop. If it's your first time on the tail, take it slow and easy. I have been on the tail a few times ( I live very close) and I still take it easy
The most important thing to know is it is a mecca for racer want to be's, both bike and car. Sometimes they lose it and hopefully your not in the way! It's one of the few routes thru the area and is traveled by all sorts of vehicles from bicycles to semi's and is extremely room restricted so sharing lanes is a probability. It's very fun to ride but its being used as something its not intended for. There are many such roads in the area and provide enjoyment for carving curves, recommend finding MadMaps and use those routes to have fun with the dragon is too busy but worth enjoying at times, used to ride it decades before it became known but now I'll leave it for the Hellhound's, ride on and enjoy
I drove the dragon this past may in my Camaro and had a blast! Can’t wait to go back in the spring. I’m from WV so this road reminds me of tighter longer version of hawks nest here in WV. Great video! And hope everyone has a safe fun experience on the dragon in the future!
Me and some people that I ride with have been talking about planning a trip to ride the "Tail of the Dragon," but we live about 4 hours ride from there. So, we're gonna have to make it an overnight run. Get down there and stay in a hotel and ride the "Tail of the Dragon" the next day. A few weeks ago, we took a ride on a stretch of road called "The Best of the Snake" that runs from Johnson County TN up Hwy 421 into Washington County VA. And I talked to several people that day when we stopped at the end of the ride, at "The 421 Country Store" that told me that "The Best of the Snake" was a much better ride than "The Tail of the Dragon." I suppose that's just "their opinion!" I've driven "The Snake" and it was an awesome ride, but you gotta take it easy if you want to get home alive, because it's not the Indianapolis Raceway, and I'm still waiting on making a trip to "The Tail of the Dragon!" So, I'll have to let you know what "my opinion" is after I run the Tail of the Dragon. The "Tail of the Dragon" has 318 curves in an 11 mile stretch of road. "The Best of the Snake" has 489 curves in 37 miles that crosses over 3 mountains and through 1 valley! You can look it up online and get all the information you need if you would like to ride "The Snake." Whereever you ride... BE CAREFUL!
Appreciate the thoughtful feedback here. I would love to head back and ride The Snake, there are so many other roads besides the dragon that are just as, if not more, exhilarating than the dragon.
Great video, with some sound advice. First rode the Dragon before it was the dragon, in the eariy 60's. '52 Chevy, with my parents, on way to a Fontana vacation. Next time was in 1975 while breaking in my first bike, a Kawasaki Z1. Probably good that they since removed all the concrete picnic tables that used to be on the roadside.
On the dragon many, many times. Go during the week, avoid the weekends. Go earlier in the day, less traffic. Try to be somewhat mature and drive like you do not have a death wish. Lunch at the Tapoco Lodge just down Rt 129 on the way to Robbinsville is a fantastic lunch spot also. Spend a bit more $$$ and stay at the Fontana Village Resort. Just down Rt 28 From Deals Gap Resort. Very nice accommodations. Stayed at Deals Gap Resort several times and it has a really nice evening fire pit to sit around and swap lies. Enjoy!
Okay so I just drove the Dragon yesterday...Nothing can prepare you. 1) You better be a driver 2) The turns are nearly all hairpin and intense 3) Street bikes will pass you on double yellow so pull over on the pull offs if not be prepared to get passed 4) There is hella peer pressure to go fast so unless you want to pull off bring your A game 5) Be sure you have good brakes because they are going to get hot! 6) Do not under estimate the apex 7) You will be constantly making turns 8) If you want someone to pull off flash your headlights....they know 9) Run the road slow first to get a feel for what you've gotten yourself into. 10) At some point on that road you'll think "wtf have I gotten myself into" at this point just remain calm and slow down a bit.
If people would just ride, or drive, within their comfort and skill zone the Dragon would be fun for everyone. And people should ride their own ride! Do not ever try to keep up or hurry because someone is behind you. Or try to impress or keep pace with others.
Just be cautious, did this today and I was too apprehensive going up which make it suck actually. I had to go back through again to get back where I came from and I gotta say after loosening up I had a good time. Being too apprehensive can hurt you, and not a knock on the information in these videos but if you’re already a decent rider you should be able to get through this no problem. On the way back I trusted my skills and did a phenomenal job. Did it on my 2021 Harley fat bob btw. Follow the signs and you can’t fail. They tell you every single piece of information you need to know. If it says to do a certain speed on a upcoming curve, DO IT, the speed limits on this road are accurate, especially the yellow ones. Ride safe, be courteous, let faster riders through and you’ll be good!
Well said, better to go there with these ideas. Tip #5 is one I like to do on a lonely road. It’s easy to speed from apex to apex, but to keep a reasonable speed and maintain dead center in one lane is a fun challenge too. Great racing is handling the weight of your vehicle and being in total control. Thanks for your knowledge.
For those who are unaware. This is a public road used by many to commute back and forth to work. Due to the number of vacationers in the area, there are many who are unaware and just taking it to get over to Tenn from NC and vise versa as you don't have too many other options. Weekends are the worse and the amount of traffic is unbearable at times. The motorcycle riders who go stupid fast on this road are usually very experienced riders and know it like the back of their hand. Don't try to be like them. Pull over and accept your ticket if you get caught. Many, many people have been killed or mangled on this road. Don't cross the double yellow is the golden rule of thumb as he points out. The Snake is a much better road to enjoy but don't tell anyone.
Ok - First you forgot to mention Tapoco Lodge for lunch. Go past Deals Gap, keep right, go past the Fugitive Dam and Tapoco Lodge will be on the right. The photographers are 129photo; Killboy and occasionally Moonshiners if he wakes up on time. If you don't want to sit for hours looking thru pics, remember the time you passed them. They're all within a mile of each other. They start posting pics on their website around 8 pm. NO TRACTOR TRAILERS.
Thanks for the 'respect the locals' thing. I live up here and was driving the Dragon before most of you were born. Remember; it's our highway. Not your race track. Disclaimer: I drive it pretty hard out of familiarity but never expect anyone to get out of my way, nor do I feel obligated to get out of yours.. Other great drives in our area? Ga Hwy 17/75 from Hiawassee, GA to Helen, GA, a true blast with some seriously enjoyable banked turns... Going south after crossing the mountain you can turn right at 75Alt, go a couple of miles and turn right on Highway 348, the Richard B. Russell Scenic Highway. 23 miles of wickedness there. Takes you to US 29 south of Blairsville. Turn right (north) to go to the Dragon, or turn left for more fun going south.. Hwy 76 from Hiawassee, GA to Clayton, Ga. Turn left (north) in Clayton on 441 up to North Carolina and you are headed back to the Smokies. From Franklin, NC take 28 up to 74, turn west (left) through the Nantahala Gorge, takes you to Topton. Turn Right on US 29 to Robinsville and the Tail. Stay safe! The life you take may not be your own.
Appreciate you contributing here, very helpful post and thank you checking out the video. I do plan to head back down to the tail later in October and will definitely check out the other roads you recommended!
The road that runs from Gatlinburg tn to Cherokee NC is pretty awesome also. It runs up and down a mt pass, great views and fun turns. I plan on going to Gatlinburg later this year and making a day trip going from Cherokee, around through the tail and back around to Gatlinburg then back to Cherokee. Will definitely be making sure my brakes and cooling system will be up for a full day of mountain carving.
@@BoostedMPLS it runs right out of Gatlinburg going south, turns into the national park and comes out the south side of smokey mountain national park, near the start/ end of the blue ridge parkway which is just east of Cherokee . There is one really cool curve on 441 that goes nearly 360 degrees and passes under itself.
Thanks for putting together such great info. I learned of Tail of the Dragon from Rich Cooper from Entrepreneurs In Cars, and am making this a destination!
This video should be required for anyone riding here---i have been up and down the blue ridge parkway twice, through smoky mtn park, some day i would like to ride the dragon
I'll be driving this this early June , coming from Bryson city towards the foothills parkway , then back towards Gatlinburg. Gonna be a lot or corners. A LOT of corners!
I was not an experienced rider when I did the tail…we rode from Sacramento ca to Tennessee….anyways made it to deals ga p store…was tired all the hyper focusing.. Had to turn around there & go back down (318 more curves) my husband was ahead of me ..I’m good … then a string of ninja bikes were jetting up on me…..got a little anxiety lost my focus slightly…..& i wasn’t going to make turn…..it was into the mountain or take it down b4 I hit the mountain-- so I dumped it on purpose…got slightly banged up& bike was fine….. 1 of the guys who was riding up my ass pulled over….stopped traffic til I got on my bike safely…..then he told me Never take your eyes off what’s ahead… quit riding peoples tail I wanted to say
Great tips, but I think you confused the Dragon Pitt Inn, which claims it's 9 miles away from ToD (they must be referring to the Tabcat Bridge end), with the Deals Gap Motorcycle Resort, which is a few hundred yards down the hill from the NC/TN border and start of ToD. The resort does have a grill, but I thought the food was bland and overpriced, but what you gonna do when the next nearest reasonably-priced restaurants are in Robbinsville, NC, 25 minutes away.
We used to frequent it often years ago. It's so dangerous I've seen so much bad stuff I'm done. Everyone thinks it's their personal racetrack. Beautiful area to visit just make sure your life insurance is paid up first.
Back in 1993 I was driving from my home in Louisiana to the Norfolk Navy Base. While in Tennessee I decided to take a state highway in the mountains (don’t remember which one). At the time I was in a new 1993 Chevy Cavalier coupe with manual transmission. Though I obeyed the posted speed limits I had a blast driving that winding mountain road shifting through gears and taking those turns. Wish I knew the name of the road because it had a turn that was almost a full circle. Though my current car is automatic I would still love to make such a drive again.
Another great road to explore in this area is called Canda Rd. If you go towards cashiers from Sylva there’s a dollar general on your left and from there turn left onto Canda Rd it will take you up to wolf lake where there’s a dam it’s beautiful if you keep driving past the dam it takes you almost into SC
The dragon never appealed to me because i assumed it was mobbed with other groups of cars and bikes. This doesnt look bad though! Seems like you can find some space.
One of the things you should know before going is that every state out in the west has at least five better more challenging, longer rides that the dragon. That stretch wouldn’t even have a name if it were out west.
The trick to avoid cops is to start at the store and ride to the overlook as a scouting run. Since there are no roads accessing ToD there is no way that a cop could get in. Drive as fast as you like heading back to the store.
As someone who lives in the alps this road looks like the simpler roads you can find here in the mountains, growing up here I’m used to driving on roads smaller (often 1 lane both directions), windier and with 50 mph speed limit, you just get used to a different type of driving after a while.
@@BoostedMPLS i have never driven there so I have no specific advice for that road, but for my local roads one of the most important things is to drive based purely on how much visibility you have and know that you should be able to stop in half of the visible distance on some roads. Stay as much to the right side of the road as possible (when it’s windy) even when it’s single lane, just in case someone comes the other way. And on double lane to pay a lot of attention to long vehicles going towards you in corners because they can easily cut into your lane without you expecting it, you should also keep your distance from long vehicles when driving behind them because they could need to completely stop in a corner to not hit someone in the other lane.
@@BoostedMPLS I just noticed that I completely misread your comment somehow, so here is an actual reply to your question. In general when I go on a trip it’s either doing some of the big passes in my area, like Furka, Gotthard, Nufenen (you can do a full round trip of these in one day) or San Bernardino, or just choosing a random valley and taking whatever is the most twisty roads I can find without rally knowing where I’m gonna end up. It’s a really relaxing and enjoyable thing and I’d highly recommend it if you ever visit the alps.
@@advicemaster1365 I can guarantee you that most mountain roads here are way harder (and way more dangerous if they where driven in the same way) than the dragon.
I went on a weekday at the end of season…so all the touristy things were closed. I had it almost entirely to myself. Fun, but I would have liked a sticker or T-shirt 😂 I’ll have to go back sometime next year.
I've lived in nc for 12 years never been out there since I got a bike lol my brother is riding up tomorrow and we are gonna ride up and hit the dragon 🐉
Don't cut the mustard and use the pull offs..Locals are alot faster.It sucks so bad getting behind someone creeping and pass 2 or 3 pulloffs.Great video!!!
I lived there. It's the "Dragon", or Deals Gap. No one I know says I'm gonna go ride the tail of the dragon. That said, it's a great motorcycle ride if you're experienced. Drive a car if you're not.
MANY of the deaths in the past, have been because of SEMI's and very large RV's that could not make many of the curves without "Using the entire road" at very slow speeds... and other drivers/riders would come into a curve -- especially downhill approaches -- with not room for a safe stop, and nowhere else to go... so they either hit the blocking vehicle or ran off the road and off into the clear blue yonder... So they have recently restricted the road to vehicles of 26 feet or less, per component... so you could have a 26' vehicle towing a 26' trailer... but they determined that the shorter wheelbase of each component will allow it to remain on one side of the road. BUT... with special pre-arrangement, the Police will ESCORT a SEMI or other "over-sized vehicle" thru the Dragon...
Incredible feedback and clarification. For these larger vehicles, is there no other route they can detour? Thanks for checking out the video and providing constructive feedback.
Huh? Not as many from semi trucks and large rv's as you are trying to claim. More deaths happen from wrecking into the trees and falling down the hill.
@@BoostedMPLS Luke everything else it depends upon the driver. A good experienced driver can navigate the dragon. A bad new driver gets stuck and or wrecked. The map and GPS both show US route 129 as a shortcut, it doesnt show up as a very narrow two lane twisty road. So semi trucks often come through it
Where do people gather with their nice cars? I'm really interested in meeting new people from far away as I'm from NJ, I'm specifically looking for car enthusiasts as opposed to motorcycle enthusiasts. Either would be fine, but I don't ride motorcycles yet
I ride this road every year and I have found that early morning rides are best, and I ride it on Monday - Thursday do not ride on the weekend. way too many people on this road at these times. And a lot of people are not ready for this road. Get after it.
Do you know if the traffic is still bad on the weekends if you go in early morning? I want to take a trip there but I can’t fit a weekday trip with my work schedule
Great video! Very insightful. It’s hilarious that you duplicated several of the tips… 3&4, 6&7, and 8&9 I believe. I experienced TOTD this last weekend…. I am NOT a car enthusiast…. And I did utilize the pull outs…
People that I know that have been on both, say Cherohala is a better ride than TOTD. By better I mean more enjoyable. This is coming from cruiser type motorcyclists not crotch rocket and car pilots. I haven't been yet, but I plan on taking my Springfield that way this spring. Maybe try the Snake too.
Rode it two weeks ago, a lot of fun, too much hype, it's not that hard as long as you follow the speed limit and keep it in your lane, you've nothing to fear but fear itself
riders make the road dangerous! I have never had the experience of riding the tail because I live in Greece. Having said that, the roads here are full of curves and twisties. Once you get out of the city you are in the mountains. Watch your speed, stay away from double lines and go in and out of turns properly and you will be fine. Remember, you are not on a track and mistakes cost much more than a broken turn signal or a wind screen!!!
The best thing a driver can do before getting on a road like this with their sports car? Take the BMW Performance Center high performance driving course. A one-day course is only a grand and you will be taught by skilled racing drivers. Too many of us Men believe we have been born with Mario Andretti's driving ability at birth, like it's in our DNA and we just have to tap into it. I've done the BMW course several times and it's worth every penny.
I’ve rode the Dragon several times and the roads are not bad or dangerous. The dangerous part are the people that doesn’t know how to drive in curves or people oh e driving to fast for curves. I understand that list of these folks are flat lander that are not use to curves. It’s good to run the Dragon as to say you “been there done that” but they are no more curves than our roads in West Virginia. Just my two cents…
@@BoostedMPLS for starters. Tn lowered the speed limit in 1993 to 40 mph. It was lowered again in 2005 to 30mph. Subsequently that is when deals gap took off in popularity. The road isn't called " tail of the dragon" it is the gap, the hill, or the dragon. Tail of the dragon is the name of the website and store that Ron and Nancy Johnson ran. The dragon also extends all the way to Chilhowee lake on the tn side. Most of your points on driving were good, however I've seen locals in their trucks and suvs push people in their sports cars. I've yet to hear of a rider being decapitated from leaning over the double yellow by someone coming the other way. Now having that happen after getting ran over by a semi truck is a different ball game. Best times to ride or drive the dragon. 2nd to 3rd week of March to the first week of May. Pro tip if you wait till nightfall you have the road almost exclusively to yourself. Forget doing it in the summer. Wait till the first week of November till the first week of December to ride/drive again. Just to name a few
@@vancejones7698 This is excellent, experienced feedback. Vance, I appreciate you clarifying this. It was my first time going there as I am from Minnesota. I relied on information I could gather online from good sources. Thank you
@@vancejones7698 coming from someone who’s from there, we call it tail of the dragon. Also called dragon, Calderwood Highway, 129, etc. And the road’s twist and turns in the 11 mile stretch aren’t as bad as people make it seem if you’re paying attention. I made it and I drive a ‘96 Grand Cherokee
@@bencenters3957 lived there for 12 years before deals gap expanded and before it got super popular, before the tn side got lowered to 30 mph. The locals never called it the "tail of the dragon" that was the name of Ron and Nancy Johnsons online web store which sold stiff related to the road. They called it the hill, the Gap.
“Unwritten rule: don’t cross the double yellow” - lol that is 100% written in every US state driving laws.
Youre not wrong lol
@@BoostedMPLS 😂 I can’t wait to drive the tail of the dragon
If you adhere to that rule it doesn't guarantee the other person won't and plow into you.
Different meaning on this nasty road. You cross the line you die from unforeseen vehicle coming the other way.
@@ijaxon6675It does however mean you won't be at fault for an accident if you don't do it yourself
Imagine if we had a Nürburgring in America. Tail of the dragon could be it, but it would have to be closed to the public and one way only. And it would also have to have safety features, soft barriers, run off areas etc.
Hell yes!
We could loop the Cherohala, round lake Santeetla, down Deal's Gap, and back around on 360. I'd like to see a competitive lap on that
@FITNESSOVER45 October was great when we went. Went on a Friday morning and it was manageable
@FITNESSOVER45 Jan and Feb, on Tuesdays & Wednesdays
The dragon is totally different and waaaay nastier.
PREPARATION !!! Your car/bike must be in perfect condition.
Absolutely! Thanks for watching!
Great job on the video! You hit the main important stuff someone who has never been needs to know. You provided good info considering you've only been once and live so far away. There are so many great roads, restaurants, and tidbits that a lot of the fun comes from exploring and learning it as you go.
Thanks for checking out the video and appreciate your feedback!
Thanks for shooting this. I'm heading to the Tail for the first time tomorrow, and your tips definitely changed my approach. I'm sure you've kept tons of other drivers safe this year!
Appreciate that and thanks for checking out the video!
We never even heard of this till GPS took us down a few years ago. We was in a mini van. We didn’t know what we got into. Lol we would like to go back but definitely prepare next time. It was definitely beautiful!!
Haha! That’s too funny. Definitely go again being prepared.
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Great commentary on one of the most famous roads in the country, thanks for the heads up and tips
Truly appreciate the comment and most importantly your time watching the video!
My brother and I rode this road early morning (7:30 AM) on 9/11/21 (a Saturday) on our motorcycles in the midst of a trip across the U.S. That was the absolute tail-end (no pun intended) of the ideal time to ride it. Heading north-to-south, we ran the whole length unimpeded. Once we arrived at Deals Gap, we noticed the traffic picking up.
After hanging out for about an hour and a half at Deals Gap, we returned back south-to-north and were met with numerous vehicles holding us up considerably.
The moral of the story: if you want to minimize your chances of running into congestion, go early, particularly during a weekend.
Great suggestion, thank you for the feedback.
My advice after running that tail is SLOW DOWN. Myself I love that mountain, I love going fast, but there's spots that will literally make you respect that blacktop.
If it's your first time on the tail, take it slow and easy. I have been on the tail a few times ( I live very close) and I still take it easy
Amen to this! Thank you for your feedback, much appreciated
The most important thing to know is it is a mecca for racer want to be's, both bike and car. Sometimes they lose it and hopefully your not in the way! It's one of the few routes thru the area and is traveled by all sorts of vehicles from bicycles to semi's and is extremely room restricted so sharing lanes is a probability. It's very fun to ride but its being used as something its not intended for. There are many such roads in the area and provide enjoyment for carving curves, recommend finding MadMaps and use those routes to have fun with the dragon is too busy but worth enjoying at times, used to ride it decades before it became known but now I'll leave it for the Hellhound's, ride on and enjoy
This is excellent feedback! Appreciate you watching!
I drove the dragon this past may in my Camaro and had a blast! Can’t wait to go back in the spring. I’m from WV so this road reminds me of tighter longer version of hawks nest here in WV. Great video! And hope everyone has a safe fun experience on the dragon in the future!
Amazing to hear! Will have to check out Hawks nest when I'm in WV next! Thanks again for checking out the video.
Me and some people that I ride with have been talking about planning a trip to ride the "Tail of the Dragon," but we live about 4 hours ride from there. So, we're gonna have to make it an overnight run. Get down there and stay in a hotel and ride the "Tail of the Dragon" the next day.
A few weeks ago, we took a ride on a stretch of road called "The Best of the Snake" that runs from Johnson County TN up Hwy 421 into Washington County VA. And I talked to several people that day when we stopped at the end of the ride, at "The 421 Country Store" that told me that "The Best of the Snake" was a much better ride than "The Tail of the Dragon." I suppose that's just "their opinion!" I've driven "The Snake" and it was an awesome ride, but you gotta take it easy if you want to get home alive, because it's not the Indianapolis Raceway, and I'm still waiting on making a trip to "The Tail of the Dragon!" So, I'll have to let you know what "my opinion" is after I run the Tail of the Dragon.
The "Tail of the Dragon" has 318 curves in an 11 mile stretch of road.
"The Best of the Snake" has 489 curves in 37 miles that crosses over 3 mountains and through 1 valley!
You can look it up online and get all the information you need if you would like to ride "The Snake." Whereever you ride... BE CAREFUL!
Appreciate the thoughtful feedback here. I would love to head back and ride The Snake, there are so many other roads besides the dragon that are just as, if not more, exhilarating than the dragon.
Tapoco Lodge is fabulous! Especially nice on a water release weekend. The river is raging! Great breakfast too!
Good call! Thanks for checking out the video!
Great video, with some sound advice. First rode the Dragon before it was the dragon, in the eariy 60's. '52 Chevy, with my parents, on way to a Fontana vacation. Next time was in 1975 while breaking in my first bike, a Kawasaki Z1. Probably good that they since removed all the concrete picnic tables that used to be on the roadside.
That’s very cool to hear! Thanks for checking out the video!
421 “The Snake” is in the Holston Mountains. It’s my front yard, rode it today.
Spot on great tips for the Dragon. Buy stuff while you are there and support the local economy!!
Agreed, thanks for checking out the video!
On the dragon many, many times. Go during the week, avoid the weekends. Go earlier in the day, less traffic. Try to be somewhat mature and drive like you do not have a death wish. Lunch at the Tapoco Lodge just down Rt 129 on the way to Robbinsville is a fantastic lunch spot also. Spend a bit more $$$ and stay at the Fontana Village Resort. Just down Rt 28 From Deals Gap Resort. Very nice accommodations. Stayed at Deals Gap Resort several times and it has a really nice evening fire pit to sit around and swap lies. Enjoy!
Love the feedback! Appreciate your recommendations and thanks again for watching the video!
Okay so I just drove the Dragon yesterday...Nothing can prepare you.
1) You better be a driver
2) The turns are nearly all hairpin and intense
3) Street bikes will pass you on double yellow so pull over on the pull offs if not be prepared to get passed
4) There is hella peer pressure to go fast so unless you want to pull off bring your A game
5) Be sure you have good brakes because they are going to get hot!
6) Do not under estimate the apex
7) You will be constantly making turns
8) If you want someone to pull off flash your headlights....they know
9) Run the road slow first to get a feel for what you've gotten yourself into.
10) At some point on that road you'll think "wtf have I gotten myself into" at this point just remain calm and slow down a bit.
Hahaha #10 is key 😂😂😂
Sounds like you had a blast, thanks for checking out the video.
A MAJOR tip that is missing from this video is to INSPECT YOUR CAR BEFORE DOING ANY SPIRITED DRIVING, let alone driving in general.
Phenomenal point!
If people would just ride, or drive, within their comfort and skill zone the Dragon would be fun for everyone. And people should ride their own ride! Do not ever try to keep up or hurry because someone is behind you. Or try to impress or keep pace with others.
You are absolutely correct, thanks for watching!
been down that road many times with my father .you should see it when the leaves change color
Was there last year for it, so beautiful
Thanks for taking the time for this video. Well done and appreciated
Thanks for checking it out!
Just be cautious, did this today and I was too apprehensive going up which make it suck actually. I had to go back through again to get back where I came from and I gotta say after loosening up I had a good time. Being too apprehensive can hurt you, and not a knock on the information in these videos but if you’re already a decent rider you should be able to get through this no problem. On the way back I trusted my skills and did a phenomenal job. Did it on my 2021 Harley fat bob btw. Follow the signs and you can’t fail. They tell you every single piece of information you need to know. If it says to do a certain speed on a upcoming curve, DO IT, the speed limits on this road are accurate, especially the yellow ones. Ride safe, be courteous, let faster riders through and you’ll be good!
Glad you had a good time! This is great feedback and advice!
Yeah I went this weekend. I saw an accident but had fun. I'll be going back next year.
It’s an absolute blast!
Great information...look forward to going there with these tips in mind. Be smart, be safe and enjoy the ride. Hope to see you guys out there
Thank you and safe travels!
Well said, better to go there with these ideas.
Tip #5 is one I like to do on a lonely road. It’s easy to speed from apex to apex, but to keep a reasonable speed and maintain dead center in one lane is a fun challenge too. Great racing is handling the weight of your vehicle and being in total control.
Thanks for your knowledge.
Precisely! Thank you for checking out the video and valuable feedback.
Thanks for the vid, very informative. As a new rider I'm looking forward to experiencing the dragon.
Thanks for watching!
Been to the Dragon several times. This is great advice.
Thank you for checking out the video! Appreciate the kind words.
Headed down solo on a street glide in 2 weeks. Thank you.
Enjoy it my friend!
For those who are unaware. This is a public road used by many to commute back and forth to work. Due to the number of vacationers in the area, there are many who are unaware and just taking it to get over to Tenn from NC and vise versa as you don't have too many other options. Weekends are the worse and the amount of traffic is unbearable at times. The motorcycle riders who go stupid fast on this road are usually very experienced riders and know it like the back of their hand. Don't try to be like them. Pull over and accept your ticket if you get caught. Many, many people have been killed or mangled on this road. Don't cross the double yellow is the golden rule of thumb as he points out. The Snake is a much better road to enjoy but don't tell anyone.
Amen!
The Seger cover was rough
@@cheesuskrust7021 Cmonnnn - dude has a great voice
Ok - First you forgot to mention Tapoco Lodge for lunch. Go past Deals Gap, keep right, go past the Fugitive Dam and Tapoco Lodge will be on the right. The photographers are 129photo; Killboy and occasionally Moonshiners if he wakes up on time. If you don't want to sit for hours looking thru pics, remember the time you passed them. They're all within a mile of each other. They start posting pics on their website around 8 pm. NO TRACTOR TRAILERS.
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I’m planning on going there this year. Thanks for the heads up!
Thank you for checking out the video and channel! Safe travels!!
Thanks for the 'respect the locals' thing. I live up here and was driving the Dragon before most of you were born. Remember; it's our highway. Not your race track. Disclaimer: I drive it pretty hard out of familiarity but never expect anyone to get out of my way, nor do I feel obligated to get out of yours..
Other great drives in our area? Ga Hwy 17/75 from Hiawassee, GA to Helen, GA, a true blast with some seriously enjoyable banked turns... Going south after crossing the mountain you can turn right at 75Alt, go a couple of miles and turn right on Highway 348, the Richard B. Russell Scenic Highway. 23 miles of wickedness there. Takes you to US 29 south of Blairsville. Turn right (north) to go to the Dragon, or turn left for more fun going south..
Hwy 76 from Hiawassee, GA to Clayton, Ga. Turn left (north) in Clayton on 441 up to North Carolina and you are headed back to the Smokies. From Franklin, NC take 28 up to 74, turn west (left) through the Nantahala Gorge, takes you to Topton. Turn Right on US 29 to Robinsville and the Tail.
Stay safe! The life you take may not be your own.
Appreciate you contributing here, very helpful post and thank you checking out the video. I do plan to head back down to the tail later in October and will definitely check out the other roads you recommended!
I’ll be driving several of those roads on Monday and Tuesday of this week. Coming over from Durham area.
@@lennymcdonald8328 Watch out for those FLA tags. It's like they forget they're driving a car.
The road that runs from Gatlinburg tn to Cherokee NC is pretty awesome also. It runs up and down a mt pass, great views and fun turns. I plan on going to Gatlinburg later this year and making a day trip going from Cherokee, around through the tail and back around to Gatlinburg then back to Cherokee. Will definitely be making sure my brakes and cooling system will be up for a full day of mountain carving.
I really wanted to go through gatlinburg but group I was with wanted to skip it. Thanks for watching the video!
That is hwy 441. It goes straight through the smokie mountain national park.
@@elmerfudd1086 towards which state?
@@BoostedMPLS it runs right out of Gatlinburg going south, turns into the national park and comes out the south side of smokey mountain national park, near the start/ end of the blue ridge parkway which is just east of Cherokee . There is one really cool curve on 441 that goes nearly 360 degrees and passes under itself.
@@elmerfudd1086 Copy that! Appreciate that tip!
Go down every year. Great job on the tips.
Thank you, appreciate you watching.
Great video, great tips, thanks for sharing your experience. Good job 🤙🏻
Thanks for watching!
Thanks for this video. Im going out there for the first time next month.
Thanks for watching - enjoy the trip!
Heading there this week. Thanks. Great tips.
Enjoy and be safe! Thanks for watching!
Very good Video and good information. It should mandatory for people to watch this Video prior to driving threw that Area.
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Cheers my guy I'm heading there in a month I can't frickin wait m8
Enjoy it my friend! Thanks for checking out the video!
Thanks for putting together such great info. I learned of Tail of the Dragon from Rich Cooper from Entrepreneurs In Cars, and am making this a destination!
Love Rich's work. Thanks for checking out the video and wish you great times at the tail and safe travels!
Local here. And yes I go back and forth in my minivan. Although I DO pull over when needed.😊🎃
Cheers! Thanks for checking out the video and safe travels!
This video should be required for anyone riding here---i have been up and down the blue ridge parkway twice, through smoky mtn park, some day i would like to ride the dragon
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I'll be driving this this early June , coming from Bryson city towards the foothills parkway , then back towards Gatlinburg. Gonna be a lot or corners. A LOT of corners!
Super fun ! Thanks for checking out the video and safe travels
Going here at the beginning of June on a thursday/friday. Terrified and excited at the same time 😂
Excited for you dude! Safe travels and thanks for checking out the video!
a cool scenic road in the mountains is the Cherahola Skyway. It's such an awesome drive
It sure is! Went back this year and went on the skyway. Almost liked it more than the dragon
I was not an experienced rider when I did the tail…we rode from Sacramento ca to Tennessee….anyways made it to deals ga p store…was tired all the hyper focusing..
Had to turn around there & go back down (318 more curves) my husband was ahead of me ..I’m good … then a string of ninja bikes were jetting up on me…..got a little anxiety lost my focus slightly…..& i wasn’t going to make turn…..it was into the mountain or take it down b4 I hit the mountain-- so I dumped it on purpose…got slightly banged up& bike was fine….. 1 of the guys who was riding up my ass pulled over….stopped traffic til I got on my bike safely…..then he told me Never take your eyes off what’s ahead… quit riding peoples tail I wanted to say
Appreciate your feedback! Agreed, tailing is never wise.
I had a blast out there on my Roadglide. We weren’t going too slow either😏
That is awesome! Thanks for checking out the video!
Great tips, but I think you confused the Dragon Pitt Inn, which claims it's 9 miles away from ToD (they must be referring to the Tabcat Bridge end), with the Deals Gap Motorcycle Resort, which is a few hundred yards down the hill from the NC/TN border and start of ToD. The resort does have a grill, but I thought the food was bland and overpriced, but what you gonna do when the next nearest reasonably-priced restaurants are in Robbinsville, NC, 25 minutes away.
Yeah it’s also under new ownership now
We used to frequent it often years ago. It's so dangerous I've seen so much bad stuff I'm done. Everyone thinks it's their personal racetrack. Beautiful area to visit just make sure your life insurance is paid up first.
Indeed!
"do not cross double yellow"
got it!
That should be easy to remember since thats what double yellow means everywhere ive ever been.
True story lol
I thought they were just suggestions… Hahaha! 😂
@@lennymcdonald8328 That's how treat it too
Back in 1993 I was driving from my home in Louisiana to the Norfolk Navy Base. While in Tennessee I decided to take a state highway in the mountains (don’t remember which one). At the time I was in a new 1993 Chevy Cavalier coupe with manual transmission. Though I obeyed the posted speed limits I had a blast driving that winding mountain road shifting through gears and taking those turns. Wish I knew the name of the road because it had a turn that was almost a full circle. Though my current car is automatic I would still love to make such a drive again.
I would think this is a great road to enjoy a relaxing day to admire the beauty not speed through for a sense of accomplishment.
Well said!
You said a mouth full with the Ego. I drive a mx-5 and everyone seems to tailgate me and want to push me to railing the curves.
@@alank808 I am a person of confidence my friend. Thanks for watching.
Bonus road is the road from Copperhill Tn to Tellico Plains
Did that road two years ago, incredible!
Another great road to explore in this area is called Canda Rd. If you go towards cashiers from Sylva there’s a dollar general on your left and from there turn left onto Canda Rd it will take you up to wolf lake where there’s a dam it’s beautiful if you keep driving past the dam it takes you almost into SC
I’ve heard of this one before, if I make it back I would love to check it out.
Good report
Thanks for checking out the video
The dragon never appealed to me because i assumed it was mobbed with other groups of cars and bikes. This doesnt look bad though! Seems like you can find some space.
Yeah just be smart about timing - appreciate you watching!
One of the top 10 drives in the world. You'll regret not driving it.
One of the things you should know before going is that every state out in the west has at least five better more challenging, longer rides that the dragon. That stretch wouldn’t even have a name if it were out west.
What are some of those roads called? Would love to explore them
@@BoostedMPLS Beartooth Highway in Montana, Hwy 1 California, Devils Highway Az, Rt 12 in Utah just to name a few.
I’m looking to go in a few weekends. I wish I could go during the week but my work schedule won’t allow it. Thanks for all the great tips!
Definitely plan to go in the morning to avoid traffic! Thanks for checking out the video and the channel!
Maintenance should be taken care of before you go. Especially brakes.
100% agreed! Appreciate the feedback!
The trick to avoid cops is to start at the store and ride to the overlook as a scouting run. Since there are no roads accessing ToD there is no way that a cop could get in. Drive as fast as you like heading back to the store.
Actually crossing the double yellows is a very written rule, as in, it's law
Correct, it's a good reminder. Thanks for checking out the video!
Great info for anyone who is interested in taking the route! Thanks for sharing! #VRAFam
My man! Thank you for the feedback!
I had the ToD all to myself on New Years Day. Cops had been chasing drunks all night and they are home resting.
That’s a great call, thanks for checking out the video!
As someone who lives in the alps this road looks like the simpler roads you can find here in the mountains, growing up here I’m used to driving on roads smaller (often 1 lane both directions), windier and with 50 mph speed limit, you just get used to a different type of driving after a while.
That's awesome, do you have any recommendations in the area?
@@BoostedMPLS i have never driven there so I have no specific advice for that road, but for my local roads one of the most important things is to drive based purely on how much visibility you have and know that you should be able to stop in half of the visible distance on some roads. Stay as much to the right side of the road as possible (when it’s windy) even when it’s single lane, just in case someone comes the other way. And on double lane to pay a lot of attention to long vehicles going towards you in corners because they can easily cut into your lane without you expecting it, you should also keep your distance from long vehicles when driving behind them because they could need to completely stop in a corner to not hit someone in the other lane.
No, the dragon is way different with dipping hair pin turns etc..
@@BoostedMPLS I just noticed that I completely misread your comment somehow, so here is an actual reply to your question.
In general when I go on a trip it’s either doing some of the big passes in my area, like Furka, Gotthard, Nufenen (you can do a full round trip of these in one day) or San Bernardino, or just choosing a random valley and taking whatever is the most twisty roads I can find without rally knowing where I’m gonna end up. It’s a really relaxing and enjoyable thing and I’d highly recommend it if you ever visit the alps.
@@advicemaster1365 I can guarantee you that most mountain roads here are way harder (and way more dangerous if they where driven in the same way) than the dragon.
I went on a weekday at the end of season…so all the touristy things were closed. I had it almost entirely to myself. Fun, but I would have liked a sticker or T-shirt 😂 I’ll have to go back sometime next year.
That’s so awesome! Seat time is key there, you’ll have to go back to prove you were there haha.
Tail of the Dragon is one of the sweetest roads I ever rode.
It's a blast, thanks for checking out the video!
If that guy's singing, I'm not eating lunch there.
Haha! Appreciate your feedback and watching the video!
LOL
It was an advertisement to find another place to eat!
I've lived in nc for 12 years never been out there since I got a bike lol my brother is riding up tomorrow and we are gonna ride up and hit the dragon 🐉
Enjoy it and safe travels my friend!
Very informative and helpful.....
New sub...
Thx for this.
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Don't cut the mustard and use the pull offs..Locals are alot faster.It sucks so bad getting behind someone creeping and pass 2 or 3 pulloffs.Great video!!!
Appreciate you checking it out!
Roads like this are common in New Zealand. Epic riding.. throw in a few more potholes and and gravel on the road and it would be exactly the same 🤣
That’s too funny mate, appreciate you checking out the video!
I lived there. It's the "Dragon", or Deals Gap. No one I know says I'm gonna go ride the tail of the dragon. That said, it's a great motorcycle ride if you're experienced. Drive a car if you're not.
Appreciate the local knowledge!
MANY of the deaths in the past, have been because of SEMI's and very large RV's that could not make many of the curves without "Using the entire road" at very slow speeds... and other drivers/riders would come into a curve -- especially downhill approaches -- with not room for a safe stop, and nowhere else to go... so they either hit the blocking vehicle or ran off the road and off into the clear blue yonder... So they have recently restricted the road to vehicles of 26 feet or less, per component... so you could have a 26' vehicle towing a 26' trailer... but they determined that the shorter wheelbase of each component will allow it to remain on one side of the road.
BUT... with special pre-arrangement, the Police will ESCORT a SEMI or other "over-sized vehicle" thru the Dragon...
Incredible feedback and clarification. For these larger vehicles, is there no other route they can detour?
Thanks for checking out the video and providing constructive feedback.
Huh? Not as many from semi trucks and large rv's as you are trying to claim. More deaths happen from wrecking into the trees and falling down the hill.
@@vancejones7698 I’m surprised more trucks with trailers don’t collapse on the turns.
@@BoostedMPLS Luke everything else it depends upon the driver. A good experienced driver can navigate the dragon. A bad new driver gets stuck and or wrecked. The map and GPS both show US route 129 as a shortcut, it doesnt show up as a very narrow two lane twisty road. So semi trucks often come through it
@@vancejones7698 That’s very true, driver dependent for sure. That’s interesting that it shows as a shortcut haha.
Solid tips, but I gotta ask. It's 2022, why 720p?
thank you for watching. I shot and uploaded in 4k. Check your settings my man.
When I'm in the area I avoid It. Similar roads around and less traffic.
Don't blame you. Traffic can be really bad sometimes
Where do people gather with their nice cars? I'm really interested in meeting new people from far away as I'm from NJ, I'm specifically looking for car enthusiasts as opposed to motorcycle enthusiasts. Either would be fine, but I don't ride motorcycles yet
I would check your local car groups and get a group going!
I ride this road every year and I have found that early morning rides are best, and I ride it on Monday - Thursday do not ride on the weekend. way too many people on this road at these times. And a lot of people are not ready for this road. Get after it.
Great feedback and suggestions-appreciate you checking out the video!
Do you know if the traffic is still bad on the weekends if you go in early morning? I want to take a trip there but I can’t fit a weekday trip with my work schedule
How can you look at your speed when you need to be looking at the road officer?
😂😂😂
Dude on the guitar 🤣🤣
Dude he was so good
Great video! Very insightful. It’s hilarious that you duplicated several of the tips… 3&4, 6&7, and 8&9 I believe. I experienced TOTD this last weekend…. I am NOT a car enthusiast…. And I did utilize the pull outs…
I was there again last weekend as well! Thanks for checking out the video. Cheers!
This Picture Is Of Iroha In Japan No?
It is :)
People that I know that have been on both, say Cherohala is a better ride than TOTD. By better I mean more enjoyable. This is coming from cruiser type motorcyclists not crotch rocket and car pilots. I haven't been yet, but I plan on taking my Springfield that way this spring. Maybe try the Snake too.
I really enjoyed Cherohala this year, I plan to do a video on that here shortly as well. Thanks for stopping by and checking out the video!
Thanks good advice
Thanks for checking out the video!
It’s too bad I was planning to do this. But knowing po po is there to rain on your parade is a No no for me.
It's hit or miss. There has to be some authority there otherwise it would get out of hand.
I heard they are chill. It's 30 but they won't stop you for doing 40mph
@@Unmaleable you heard…. But did you experience ?
Rode it two weeks ago, a lot of fun, too much hype, it's not that hard as long as you follow the speed limit and keep it in your lane, you've nothing to fear but fear itself
Couldn't agree more! Thank you for checking out the video!
Why drive it if you're going to "play it safe." It's listed as 1 of the 10 best drives in the world.
#5 is highly important
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Next time do the cherohala skyway. It's near the dragon.
Was planning on going when I visited again!
riders make the road dangerous! I have never had the experience of riding the tail because I live in Greece. Having said that, the roads here are full of curves and twisties. Once you get out of the city you are in the mountains. Watch your speed, stay away from double lines and go in and out of turns properly and you will be fine. Remember, you are not on a track and mistakes cost much more than a broken turn signal or a wind screen!!!
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Best way to go... is EZ I,ve been on this a few times...
Thanks for checking out the video
Do they have e85 stations on the dragon?
That’s a great question, can anyone help our friend out??
sound on your videos are screwed up
Yeah not sure why it came out that way. Thanks for checking it out though!
The best thing a driver can do before getting on a road like this with their sports car? Take the BMW Performance Center high performance driving course. A one-day course is only a grand and you will be taught by skilled racing drivers. Too many of us Men believe we have been born with Mario Andretti's driving ability at birth, like it's in our DNA and we just have to tap into it. I've done the BMW course several times and it's worth every penny.
Agreed. In Minnesota they hold a great winter course as well to help with defensive driving in poor snow conditions.
I’ve rode the Dragon several times and the roads are not bad or dangerous. The dangerous part are the people that doesn’t know how to drive in curves or people oh e driving to fast for curves. I understand that list of these folks are flat lander that are not use to curves. It’s good to run the Dragon as to say you “been there done that” but they are no more curves than our roads in West Virginia. Just my two cents…
appreciate your input, thank you for checking out the video!
@@BoostedMPLS your welcome. I always enjoy riding the Dragon as it is beautiful country down there
@@jeffskidmore64 It really is, you're not wrong.
Its a traffic law to not cross solid double yellow lines.
That is true, thanks for checking out the video!
@@BoostedMPLS thanks for the tips hope to check out this road sometime soon
@@ramanmonkey I try to make it each year from Minnesota haha. Heading there again in October
Where do you want me to start on where you are wrong in regards to US 129?
Let’s hear it! Open to constructive feedback 👍🏽
@@BoostedMPLS for starters. Tn lowered the speed limit in 1993 to 40 mph. It was lowered again in 2005 to 30mph. Subsequently that is when deals gap took off in popularity. The road isn't called " tail of the dragon" it is the gap, the hill, or the dragon. Tail of the dragon is the name of the website and store that Ron and Nancy Johnson ran. The dragon also extends all the way to Chilhowee lake on the tn side. Most of your points on driving were good, however I've seen locals in their trucks and suvs push people in their sports cars. I've yet to hear of a rider being decapitated from leaning over the double yellow by someone coming the other way. Now having that happen after getting ran over by a semi truck is a different ball game. Best times to ride or drive the dragon. 2nd to 3rd week of March to the first week of May. Pro tip if you wait till nightfall you have the road almost exclusively to yourself. Forget doing it in the summer. Wait till the first week of November till the first week of December to ride/drive again. Just to name a few
@@vancejones7698 This is excellent, experienced feedback. Vance, I appreciate you clarifying this. It was my first time going there as I am from Minnesota. I relied on information I could gather online from good sources.
Thank you
@@vancejones7698 coming from someone who’s from there, we call it tail of the dragon. Also called dragon, Calderwood Highway, 129, etc. And the road’s twist and turns in the 11 mile stretch aren’t as bad as people make it seem if you’re paying attention. I made it and I drive a ‘96 Grand Cherokee
@@bencenters3957 lived there for 12 years before deals gap expanded and before it got super popular, before the tn side got lowered to 30 mph. The locals never called it the "tail of the dragon" that was the name of Ron and Nancy Johnsons online web store which sold stiff related to the road. They called it the hill, the Gap.
Are there (a lot of) residences ?
No there aren’t a lot
Drove this road 3 days ago. No chance in hell a tractor trailer rig could ever drive it. And there are zero residual areas. Gnarly 11 mile stretch.
I’ve driven on this lol the reason your tire hits the white line is because you can’t stay in your lane 😂