Ireland and the War of the Roses (Chat)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ส.ค. 2024
- Irelands part in the War of the Roses is often overlooked today we will look at Ireland during this bloody time of history.
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interesting stuffs, good to see you guys :)
Thank you !! Its always good to put a face to who your talking to, with the exception of Philip noone needs to see that face 😜 😂
An interesting point is that Richard Duke of York (1411-1460) and then King Edward IV were descendants of Elizabeth de Burgh, (who married Edward III’s second son, Lionel Duke of Clarence)
It was Edward IV’s daughter, Elizabeth, who married Henry VII to bring both houses of Lancaster and York together.
As a Burke myself I find that interesting.
Yes it really is. Have you seen are video on the hundreds years war??
I am enjoying working through your podcasts. You touched on the Border Reivers, would you consider doing an episode on them? Appreciate it is outside of Ireland so not your normal type of content.
Thank you very much for following, Irish and Scottish history is Mike from Clans&Dynasties area so i do not see why not, we do hope to cover a wide range of topics from all over the world but primarily Irish History.
@@IrishMedievalHistory sounds exciting. Ireland has such a rich and fascinating history I have only recently started to delve into. Thoroughly enjoy it. Look forward to your future talks!
It really does, Should you have any questions or topics you would like us to cover please ask.
@@IrishMedievalHistory I certainly will! Thanks! Have you considered uploading to Spotify?
We were asked this on our previous channel along with podbeam but its not something we would know much about, once this channel gets to the numbers of our previous one it may be something to look into, if you have any experience we would love to hear it.
For some reason I thought the Irish parliament came in with the Kingdom of Ireland in 1542. Maybe its covered elsewhere, but I'd like to hear about the change political/religious changes from the Lordship/Kingdom.
Interesting discussion identity in an Irish national sense. The argument I see play out is an English nationalist saying that Ireland was never a country before it was taken over so we don't have a right to exist as a country on the whole island. The response is that there was a common language/laws/storytellers/druids that was unifying before the 1800s concept of nationalism really came to the fore.
As the podcast points out loyalty was to the clan over the nation and there were regional differences. Ultimately the above argument might be pointless since both sides are probably projecting back concepts that don't apply to the period.
I started writing an answer to this and realised it had turned into an essay so im going to do a video on it for you.
@@IrishMedievalHistory Wow thanks!
@@IrishMedievalHistory I'd be interested in a bit on Irish identity post 1607 to the 1900s as well since it is said Irish identity was manufactured with the Gaelic revival.
It seems ironic to me that the Empires of the world divided much of the world into countries by arbitrarily drawing lines on a map, often ignoring local populations, to make the world fit their own idea of a nation. Then try to argue that we were too backward to understand what a nation was.
That also ignores the 1798 United Irishmen rebellion when religious freedom was more important that national identity and the creation of the Orange Order that taught loyalty to the crown not the country from the early 1800s that had produced the unique form of loyalism that confuses most people in GB. It's further ironic that they use British as their identity when its use is in decline in GB. I imagine that in 100 years time they will be the last of the British in a United Ireland with Scotland and Wales independent. That's all way to much modern politics!
I may only touch on the 18th century Gaelic revival since my argument will be before the end of the Tudor conquest of Ireland in 1603 basically the beginning of the common argument of England being the one to Unite ireland as a single entity, so in short it will be Medieval 'Nationalism' rather than the later models this is for a few reasons one of them being modern politics is to polarised at the moment that i have no interest in being drawn into modern politics, i may eventually talk about events including the 1798 rebellion and the battle of the diamond but these would have to be seperate videos as an hour long video to cover 300 years of history will leave to many gaps, its is also slightly outside my area so id have to do more research to eliminate any potential bias.
@@IrishMedievalHistory I look forward to seeing it and learning new things. I for one don't care about wading into polarized fights online. You could call it my lockdown hobby. 😂
Oh and as someone with a Norman surname I'm glad the whole 800 years thing is getting more light shone on it and nuance added to it.
Arland