13:20, there was a sick moment where a krieger with a melta gun tries to shoot a necron lord but it keeps phasing out so one kriegsman puts it in a headlock so it couldn't phase and the melta guy just meltas them both DBZ Raditz style
@@kinoman4875 I assume that he was so stunned that in the 41st millennium that somebody broke out a 2nd millennium wrestling move in this kind of war he had to think about wether waking up was the right call or not.
My favourite guard regiment is the Mordian Iron Guard, because they got drip and in Gate of Bones, one of the first 40k novels I read a Mordian General stood up to a Custodes.
@@captaineflowchapka5535 Misinterpretation on Hendrik's end, or a miscommunication: the Mordian General essentially said "I value my men's lives, please do a fellow servant of the Emperor a favor and don't waste us." Ballsy, but also something that got the respect of the Custodes. If the Custodes respect you... you're free of any and all heresy, basically.
Based Mordian Appreciator. How many Mordians does it take to have sex? three. One Male and female guard to do the fucking, and another male guard to maintain cadence
Hot take here: Krieg as a whole lore/meme piece is probably one of the few times the fanbase probably did more damage to the presentation of 40k Lore than GW itself.
Not just Krieg. The guard as a whole (ex: lasguns are flashlights), T'au (the "space weaboo communist" meme), and Ork gellar field ("a stick can become a cannon if enough Orks believe it") are other things that the fanbase has bastardized. Meme canon has heavily warped the way a lot of people view the setting.
@@atanaspetkov580it’s why I hate the memes. Half of them aren’t funny, the other half just get repeated by a dumbass TH-camr uploading a short for views and gets his already incorrect information repeated verbatim
Necrons excel at attrition and shreked the Krieg in Dead Men Walking. Granted, the Imperium didn't really know what they were going up against. The Krieg thought they were slowly winning the war, not realizing the Necrons could recover their dead bots nearly infinitely.
From what I recall from Dead Men Walking, the Krieg generals deliberately deployed the nearest four understrength regiments to the dormant tombworld because it was a win-win situation. If the Krieg destroyed the Necron tombworld's systems before it could fully awaken, it would be an Imperial victory. If not, all Krieg would have lost would be four understrength regiments.
@@minimalbstolerance8113 Hmmm. I might have to read again. I just remember the planet calling for help and the closest help happened to be a sort of beaten up Krieg force. But doesn't discount the fact that the Krieg think they're winning and thus keep throwing bodies thinking that's the solution when they aren't actually making progress against the necrons unless they knock out the power sources. By the time they realize it its way way too late and they lose the world.
@@minimalbstolerance8113 except it isnt a win win in the slightest. The krieg who are on the backfoot fighting off the unbeatable waves of immortal soldiers are not going to make their way into the massive planet spanning tombs of the necrons, much less actually break enough shit to give a big advantage. And also losing 4 regiments, understrength or not, is not a victory in the slightest, especially when the goal is to stop everyone from being murdered.
Fun fact: During the Siege of Vraks, Kriegers shot their Commissars to retreat in panick. So yes, Kriegers can in fact be scared. It just takes a bit more than usual.
If I had a titan bearing down on me, I'd want to run the hell away because i know my flashlight won't do jack no matter how much faith and fanaticism I put into it
Few can watch a building sized centipede snake monster rip itself from the ground and kill 12 of your fellow soldiers with a swipe and not be terrified.
And that turned into a meme where Krieger always shoots their own commissar when there's an excerpt from a kriegsman saying they got nothing but respect to their own commissar, an outsider, not native to the planet of krieg yet understands how the regiment works.
Krieger: FALLBACK commissar: GET BACK ON THE LINE, I THOUGHT YOU ALL WANTED TO DIE FOR THE EMPEROR. Krieger: I plan to take as many of the traitors with me now get out of our way Commissar: GET BACK ON THE LINE GUARDMEN *ANGRY GASMASK NOSIE* *LASEGUN BLAST* KRIEGER: now that that's settled let's move people
Cool T'au fact- The Breacher Teams are somewhat the T'au equivalent of the Empire's Kriegers. Not that they're built for attrition warfare, but they do have the highest casualty rate amongst Fire Warriors. They were designed in answer to the Imperium's fortified and defensive fighting styles, and so its the ballsiest and most Krieg-like T'au that are given Laser Shotguns and charged into trenches to dig out stubborn enemy positions. Okay maybe it's not a fact, but I do think of the Breachers as T'aus own miniature Krieg formations.
It's a little sad how the Tau and the Tyranids, the only factions to canonically invest time and resources into developing new tactics in response to the enemies they face can never manage to stay on top of the meta for more than one release.
@@randombencounter263 lol, maybe. At least for T'au I've always felt like that's how they manage to keep up, being at otherwise such a disadvantage. Of course there's only so much room for narrative and game design to share.
" Lords of the Imperium; My world has turned its back against you, but I have not. I request aid in correcting this grievous atrocity. " " You better do something about it yourself, or so help me God Emperor we'll do something about it "
Yeah nah I think he made the right choice. Nuking the hell out of your own planet is an infinitely preferable choice than letting the Imperium sort it out. Once it gets going, it never stops, look at Rophanon for example. At least the Kriegers still have a world, the imperium would’ve turned krieg to glass and beyond
Oh it's better then that. The imperium was the ones who supplied the launch codes to the nukes as well as the location. So they gave the guy the nukes to blow up the planet.
@@inquisitordonklas7928 A little point the video misses is that the nukes actually were the help from the Imperium; they told him about a secret cache from the Dark Ages (or whatever its called when they had all that murder-tech laying around) filled with nuclear warheads, which he released upon his unsuspecting enemies while his city went into pre-emptive total lockdown. The enemies weren't completely destroyed, but his city survived largely unfazed, letting him even the playing field and eventually win the war.
@@vurrunna After 500 years of attrition oriented, deeply rooted, bloody and vicious trench and underground warfare... The Krieg have earned the right to be called masters of trench warfare.
The Iron Warriors and Kriegers were treated very similarly by the Imperium, but reacted in complete opposite ways. It could make for an interesting conflictIt on a thematic level, the zealously devoted sons vs the bitter resentful bastards. As for the match up, I would still go for the Iron Warriors cause of their daemon fuckery. I know the IW don't use daemons as much, but even daemon engines can have a harmful warp aura that can petrify guardsmen with fear and despair, I'm using "Storm of Iron" as a source for that. And while the soldiers of the Death Korps are able to restrain their emotions, I still doubt they can resist Warp magics.
happened at the battle of raks if i remember correctly a war band of iron.warriors showed and gave the kriegers a hard time. along with other war bands.
@@SamueL-td7fb I mean that one belongs to Honsu and his Iron Warriors, I'm not sure the average warband would have one of those. Plus I think it's a transport, not exactly making the titan itself. Don't get me wrong it's still badass af and a miracle of chaos engineering and it would be terrifying to face. Stuff like hellbrutes, obliterators, daemon engines and occasionally daemons of some variety alongside the standard attrition strategies are what would make it harder for the Kriegers to pull off a win, on average at least.
To make it even worse I think the most realistic prediction for Warhammer 50K is every regiment is krieg. In one of the books it's described that kreig has the ability to continue reinforcing old regiments while producing new ones. Eventually they might start out producing a majority of other Imperial Guard regiments and slowly replace them.
An interesting note is that for a planet of its size, they send the maximum amount of regiments every year that the imperium allows them to. And even then they have more regiments to send
Thank you, PancreasNoWork for being the first TH-camr (I’ve seen) to actually call out the dumb Death Korps memes and explain that the Death Korps ISN’T JUST WW1 GERMANY! Just WW1 in general.
@@epser5842 Cuts both ways really, you got people trying to cancel Warhammer 40K for promoting nazism via Death Korps and then you have neofash trying to use the Death Korps to insert their shitty ideology into
In the book dead men walking where an imperial world accidentally awakens the necron tomb world under them.. the death korps is send in and do as told exactly as told without hesitation. That includes when the world was deemed lost and they were told to do a tactical retreat which they did at that exact point without emotion. They are only as stoic as the orders demand them to be
yup then later they fough necrons again (idk remember which battle) but they were able to hold their own in that one from the information of that necron tomb world
@@axelNodvon2047 What of it? I always found Fulgrim quite ironic because he is completely white (skin and hair). Things are better with Leman Russ who is actually a redhead.
Or they do know and they're having a giggle. Karl Franz Holswig Schliestein? You cannot make a name like that without knowing a bit about Germany. Karl (super generic German name) French (it's a prefix used in words like französisch, Franzose, Franzbranntwein) Schleswig Holstein (the northernmost region of Germany, just north of Hamburg. I don't know the details but I'm told it's part of Germany due to a particularly complex historical quirk involving Denmark. Also, the When Wacken Open Air festival is hosted there. One of the biggest metal festivals in the world. 80,000 people/year.) So I think they did it in purpose for fun
GW made the Imperial Guard on a GI-Joe mindset. Take a military archetype like the Sailor or the Footslogger, Demolitions Guy, The Leader, buff sailor dude, Tech Guy, Girl Soldier or whatever and turn it into an Action Figure/Miniature and then slap a character/worldbuilding about their homeworld onto them. The biggest difference was that Hasbro went for what was then US military dudes and GW went more broadly with Vietnam Warrior Guys, Modern-ish guys, Soviet Guys, Imperial Russian Guys, etc.
Random fact about the Maginot line. France knew Germany was going to go past it. But they thought Germany would go further up the coast, and not through the Ardennes with the forest that makes moving Tanks through very difficult. And France wanted to expand the Maginot line further up, but Belgium protested it.
YES! People always clown on France for the Maginot line because it was a static defense. In reality, it was part of a larger plan to defend against Germany in case of an invasion. IIRC, France's plan involved sending troops north through Allied Belgium to counter German forces at the border, thus creating a full defense covered by the Maginot line and the Belgian-German border. However, near the start of WWII, Belgium redeclared it's neutrality, meaning France could no longer enact their plan without violating Belgian neutrality, and had to wait for German troops to enter Belgium first. TL;DR -- France fell bc of Belgium's bitching
Wait. What do you mean the French aren't German? In all seriousness I'm glad that this is a more honest and realistic look of the Kriegsmen. They're my favorite faction in 40k, and while I am guilty of appreciating the shovel memes, I do agree that it has gotten to the point where many don't know much about them beyond just the memes.
Wait, what memes about the Kreig? I thought people knew about it because of their looks resembling that of WW1 Germans. That's how I learned about them and like them for their expertise in siege warfare. Hell, I didn't learn about the shovel memes (though, let's be real I definitely see the Death Korps creating a sort of chain shovel as a melee which would be kickass) until like a week ago. Hell, I didn't even know the "charge at the enemy blindly and die for no reason" was a meme and was more "due to their history regarding the Emperor it was for a repentance."
The French, I'd argue, are also historically an even better fit as the inspiration for the Death Corps of Krieg than the Germans. At the Battle of Verdun, the longest battle of the entire war, the French adopted a battle cry of "on ne passe pas!", meaning "they shall not pass!" as they spent 303 days holding the line against endless German attacks. It's fucking badass, if you ask me.
Apparently underneath all that dirt gear and the gas mask the Krieg actually very attractive physically to the eye. They look a little on the young side but their noted traits is having firm gray eyes which definitely show the horror of war that they seen despite their youthful looks, and for the most part have blond flowing hair. I'm not sure if it was in the novel Krieg or in the novel Dead Men Walking in one of them a normal Imperial citizen catches a glimpse of a kriegsman without his helmet or gas mask and it's apparently written that he's handsome. But almost a little too young infact to even be considered a white Shield among the Cadian... it's implied that they look so young because the planet might be using unethical practices when it comes to their Vitea womb systems. It also goes into the unnatural feeling of uneasiness that just looking at your average Kriegsman can give. It's not implied that their blanks like jurgen from The cain novels. But it's definitely implied that there's something about them that isn't quite right compared to what a normal human feels. My personal belief and this is just my theory is that the repeated use of those wombs is slowly but surely Dulling and dumbing-down the Soul potential. Like right now there may be about 15% of the way to being a blank. Clearly a good chunk of what makes a human a human is missing from them. But it's not enough to the point where they are completely seen as a void Within the emotional Spectrum. However I believe that if you gave it like maybe another hundred Millennia or so the planet would just be pumping out blanks for their standard infantry soldiers. just think about that for a moment just think about how powerful of a weapon against chaos that would be to have an entire Army of Imperial Guardsmen for not only blanks but also have the almost psychotic mindset of the kriegsman. That might actually even be the plan. Maybe not implying that was originally designed. But it definitely could be something that might occur in the Far Far Future, that maybe someone found out about the flaw and did something to ensure that the flaw would, after they are turned into corpse starch and don't have to worry about the consequences, end up manifesting, something beneficial. As long as a blank is given an order they will follow it out Jurgen is proof of this. Now imagine Army of Jergens all led by commissars with the the same amount of Madness and balls-to-the-wall self-preservation as cain himself. The Imperium would be reclaimed from the rip caused by the eye of Terror and its resulting destruction within at least 325 years and that's not even including needing to use the primaris Marines. If you included them into the calculation it wouldn't even take 35 years standard
That...OR they just live in an ULTRA repressive society were human happiness is to be seen as icky and are immersed in a cult of self flagellation so deeply ingrained that even the biggest gluttons for self humiliation and punishment (i.e. Slaaneshi cultists) would find a bit too much.
I want to see a story about a Krieg Soldier becoming immortal/ a Custodian Aquilan Shield gets stuck trying to protect a Kriegsmen. Both would be hilarious
The best Story would be a Krieger Grenadier turning out to be a Perpetual, or a perpetual somehow getting into/passing for the Death Korps and having to deal with the shenanigans that would entail, especially if it's with mixed regiments fighting on a planet.
About the Shovel bit, many world war I soldiers prefered using shovels and entrenching tools to bayonets in the close confines of the trenches. Here is a good quote from "all quiet on the western front" which is based on Remarque's own experiences in the trenches of the war "In any case, the bayonet isn't as important as it used to be. It's more usual now to go into the attack with hand-grenades and your entrenching tool. The sharpened spade is a lighter and more versatile weapon - not only can you get a man under the chin, but more to the point, you can strike a blow with a lot more force behind it. That's especially true if you can bring it down diagonally between the neck and the shoulder, because then you can split down as far as the chest. When you put a bayonet in, it can stick, and you have to give the other man a hefty kick in the guts to get it out. "
This reminds me that I appreciate the detail in battlefield 1 where you actually strike an enemy between the shoulder and the neck when you use the shovel in a kill move, with the shovel embedding itself deep in them just like this excerpt describes. Such a work of craftsmanship that game was.
I dont get It, why would a shovel lover be mad at the Death Korps not being the best at everything? A shovel is best used in a trech and as a weapon when the enemy attacks your trench, dont waste It elsewhere
Exactly. The Death Korps is my favorite Guard regiment, and I love the memes, but acting like they're the best at everything was always something I never understood. The cool thing about the IG is that it has an answer to everything through the sheer variety of specialist regiments at its disposal, so why wouldn't it be cool enough for Krieg to be a hard counter to several of the Imperium's biggest threats and not all of them? Like, is it really less cool if it takes a cooperative effort from several regiments, each locking down a certain aspect of the battlefield, to take out some of the scarier threats than it is to have one that does everything extremely well? And if so, what would be the point of things like Space Marines?
@@sethmiller2532 exactly, the point of the IG is the variety in the regiments, to hold the line call the Death Korps, to make ambushes and stealth missions call the Tanith First and Only, you want to drop a human nuke in the enemy camp to destroy their supplies? The Catachans are your guys, you want to clean a world full of Chaos and xenos? Call Sly Marbo
@@sethmiller2532 although i would agree that krieg be good at everything logically would not make sencse as their battle tactics are seige, attrition, and trench/tunnel warfare but krieg being hard couters to basically alot if not most of the enemies the imerium has to fight againts is cool in their own right I just wish there were more novels about them because a lot of people in this comment section either revert back to the shovel memes or outright choosing another gaurdsmen regiment even though this is a krieg video
About the shovel, it is history time ! During WW1, heads of the french army thought bayonet was a good melee weapon based on previous conflicts. It was in an open filed battle, XIXth century style.Unfortinatly, in trenches, with very little space when your are drag into melee combat, a gigantic stick with a little knife at the end is not the best weapon. So the french treachmen started using the shovels for combat, despite their primarly purpose as a tool for the trenches. When it was time, a guy going to the front with just a sharp shovel and a couple of grenades wasn't so uncommon. So yes, I think kriegsmen primarly use shovel during battles in their confort zone : trench battles. (I am only talking about frenchen because I only know about them, but since both sides were doiing more or less the same I assume germans also used shovels a lot)
While i do not have the historical sources to back it up, i am pretty sure the use of shovels was even briefly mentioned in the novel "Nothing new at the Western front". Where the old and experienced recruits tell the new guys to just use their shovels instead of their bayonets. So it seems likely that the germans were in a pretty similar situation. ...shocking, i know. :)
so, in WW1, bayonets weren't little knives like they would be in WW2, they were still 1.5 foot long (at minimum) blades with a focus on stabbing, less so on cutting. Remember that calvary was still believed to be viable at the beginning of the war and infantry were supposed to use a rifle with a bayonet as a spear to defend themselves. So a lot of people did do ad-hoc weapons for trench warfare, not just shovels (which were wonderful, you sharpen the edge for what is effectively an axe, and at the same time you don't have to carry something extra with you), but makeshift maces, knives, punch daggers, brass knuckles, anything that could be thrown around in tight quarters. It's only as the war goes on that you start getting specialized equipment/units, like the german storm troopers who were specialized for raiding trenches and would usually be armed with pistols and bags of grenades
At the beggining? Perhaps, but then trench knives and maces were introduced to fill that particular gap, including a switch in bayonet tactics, with soldiers often removing the bayonets and using them as standalone knives in the trench. Shovels would be a desperate last resource by the time specialized trench weapons had been introduced, and useless by 1918 when the submachinegun was introduced, as you can still harm with a knife while being injured on the ground, while being almost impossible to do with a shovel
@@magmat0585 sturmtrüppen actually used bolt action carbines before the MP18 was introduced, although their main threat came from the large amounts of grenades they carried. They still had a ton of losses per charge, but they were trained to breach a small section of the trench and fight from there, not really make a large, extended push as armies did when the war started
I used to hate the death korps because of the unfunny memes, but once I read that Ciaphas Cain novel and they described their demeanor, chem implants and "horses" I warmed up to them. Great video!
I have mixed feelings and this video drums up a lot of thoughts I have. Unfortunately, I think people are going to come here and start spamming said 'Dead Memes' in spite of some of the points here. And... I guess, in a way, that's okay. But it's also sad. Thematically, the Krieg are extremely German. Not just German, of course, but it's the backbone there. The flared stahlhelm mixed with the Adrian helmet. The Lucius no. 98 being a reference to the K98 used by the Imperial German Army. Hell, their native designs are even a reference to Germanic names, culture or artists. Brunnhilde, Gotterdamerung Howitzer, the Ragnarok tank, the Blitzen artillery platform... And there's something neat about that. A society near swallowed up by war naming their machines after references to old plays, artists and theatrics. A retention of the Human in the soul-devouring Martial. Instead, people puppet a joke they heard from a friend that heard from a friend that was introduced to the setting by said joke by a friend, etc, etc. Hell, Kriegers in the ye olde 3e Codex were originally shown with an axe looped in their belt. Not a shovel, an axe. The shovel jokes didn't come about until 4chan's /tg/ board began making jokes about supplies going off to Imperial institutions were replaced by shipments of Kriegers who'd build fortifications in odd places. They didn't use them as weapons. They used them as tools. The joke changed, as they do, but the lack of understanding of the origin and the reason has led to a flanderization of a frankly amazing regiment. They're one of the most highly trained 'regular' Imperial forces. Just behind Cadians, honestly. They're not Scions, of course, but they're damned good. And to get that, to create a mass produced force that is that quality, they're made of broken child soldiers. There's a duality to the Krieg when you look down deep enough that you, for a moment, touched on. The pitiable bit and the stoic half. I think people waver into one or the other too much. The best exploration of the Krieg, I believe, has come in Steve Lyon's shortstory 'Left for Dead'. We don't have a Krieger committing warcrimes, slaying aliens or dying hard. He's breaking the rules. He's going AWOL. He's exploring if all of it, all of the Sacrifice, is truly worth it. He takes on a dead man's name. He befriends a little local girl. He stands a head above the Imperial citizenry, not only in build but in action. When others fear, he acts. When others waver, he trudges forward. Where others flinch, he endures. But he also builds connections. He has yearnings. He doesn't just tolerate the little girl, he befriends her. They almost take on a thin sibling like connection. And then the setting reasserts itself and the story comes to a close. It's bittersweet, it's interesting and it explores what the Korps is about. It's not about being suicidal. The Krieg aren't suicidal. They're driven and religiously motivated, yes, but the goal of death in the Emperor's name is just an aspect of their belief. The Valhallans are willing to die, after all. Hell, the Vostroyans know much about owing debts. The Krieg are the only ones that truly uphold sacrifice to such an ideal, though. They have given up everything and continue to do so. They have offered their home, their history, their wonders and their arts, their culture and their name and their future all onto the alter of war and burnt it in the attempt to find mercy from a stoic corpse-god. They fight, tooth and nail, but their own abilities means they cannot be forgiven. To be forgiven is to lose a purpose, to reduce efficiency, to take away what it means to be Korps. They are damned by their own duality and there's something sad yet heartening about that. The attempt in spite of it all. When Stringstorm released his Krieg song, I disliked it. It felt too self-weepy for a Krieg song. Theirs is a martial tradition, unbowed but accepting of the weight of what must come. It is discipline, iron and steel, but it is pitted and worn. Tired, but inexorable and unwilling to stop. But people look at them, see them as 'funny suicide shovel man' and all of the interesting bits get run out by a constant barrage of the same worn out jokes. And then we ended up with the latest Krieg novel and good god was it fuckin' terrible.
I would argue that beyond the name so have the cadians and in their case is arguably even more tragic because there wasn't any event that make them do it merely the fact that someone had to do the job and they were the more available group.
Sidenote, the German Empire in WW1 did not use the Kar98. They used the Gewehr 98, which is literally a Kar98 but a little bit longer. Or, I guess the Kar 98 is the Gewehr 98 but shorter since the latter came first. The Kar 98 was used by Nazi Germany during WW2, which isn't what the Krieg are.
One aspect that I would see in Krieg is that, while they have this "grim tenacity" upon them, they are still HUMAN, but adding strange quirks in their life, like: - intricate altars to the Emperor and its Saints, or some venerated figure (Jurten) made from discarded materials in the best "trench art" style; - choir singing, where they would sing their own version of "The Watch on the Rhine" in a solemn way, to show their determination, their faith, and their HOPE for a future; - gallow's humor, with trenches being given addresses like "Blown Head", "Bayonet Crossing", "Grenade Alley", etc, with also funny plaques saying "Nr. Of days without accidental grenade explosions", or stuff like that; - "trench painting", an interesting method of meditation in which a Krieger (generally one more inclined to the arts) would take a portrait tripod, a clean canvas, brushes, paint, palette, go "up the trench", lay the material, and make a painting of the no-man's-land with a style resembling the ones during the 1910s and 20s; - their humor would be DAAAAARK, as in: when they are searching for their target, they would take the head of an enemy corpse, and use it like a puppet like: DK: "Hey, you! What is your name?" Head(DK using a very whinny voice): "I am Bitchy von Tot, a sissy enemy who died like the little fag that I am." DK: "Where is your base?" Head: "Oh, the base where the other sissy-parents of Bitchy are over there." (Moves head to point towards the enemy base). DK: "Good. Now-" (Krieger gives a pimp slap to the head, to "sent it away" and remove it from his hand) "- don't bother us. We are working."
Also, another thing: EVERY Militarum Regiment have their own Scions: they are not from the Schola Progenium, but from Veterans who had survived things that could kill a normal Guardsman a thousand times over, with each Regiment calling it with a different title. And a Krieger Grenadier (the DKofK version of the Scions) is, HANDS DOWN, one of the most TERRIFYING things in the GALAXY...
I have to imagine the Tau would be absolutely awful against Kriegers, regardless of tech difference, just because Tau are all about precision strikes and carefully allocating their limited manpower, while the Imperium as a whole and the Krieg in particular can afford to throw bodies at a problem until it isn't one.
T'au would absolutely slaughter Kriegers. Unfortunately for them, all that advanced technology and superior tactics mean nothing when you're outnumbered 50 to 1.
The germans weren't the only ones to build trenches, but by nearly all Accounts Best at building trenches. And fun fact, in the beginning of the war every German soldier was issued a spade, the French only learned that lesson later
Brits were the best equipped and trained on the continent at the start of the war, but lacked artillery and also their army was dwarfed by both french and German. But yeah Germans also had much more heavy artillery which aided them in the early trench battles of 1915, until the french also caught on.
Actually, my guess would be that Krieg is named for the effect it has on the designation of the people from there: Im german at least, you usually take the name of the place and add -er. And Krieger just so happens to be the german word for warrior.
Iron warriors would send out waves of cultists to make the dkok run out of ammo, however they would still be a little less effective, as tactics such as forcing captured soldiers to drive towards the enemy and being shelled by their own men doesn’t do as much psychological damage as it would to other regiments. Iron warriors and Krieg would definitely be bros if they worked together, and weren’t used as the regular chaff to clog guns
Oh, I think you forgot something. Orks have Tellyportas. Actually, among the best in the whole setting (except for Necrons I think). On the tabletop, there is a stratagem for... 4CP I think? that just straight up teleports a Stompa into the enemy army.
True but those teleports are usually more limited I believe? Typically orks favor a head long charge cuase the mek boy is unreliable at the best of times.
I am glad to hear someone use this platform to make this point. A lot of fun is to be made from the memes associated with WH40K and the fluff, but seeing the increasing trend of having people's only exposure to the lore of 40K be TTS and meme reposts and then perpetuating the memes they've picked up as the de-facto canon gets grating after a while. I'm a fan of both the shovel memes as well as the tragedy of The Death Korps of Krieg, it's just a shame that the shovels is most of what people know them for.
I think what turned me off was when I watched a Killzone video and someone said “They were definitely inspired by the Death Korp” when referring to the Main Enemies (Helghast) I don’t know why but that pisses me off “DeY gERmUN ENspIReD EN SpAce!” Is not something original to Death Korps, they aren’t even inspired by the same Time Period!
@@MoaRider It was a commenter, a reply to that comment was even more smooth meme brain because he said “Just make the Krieg have red glowing eyes and there the same!”
@@sportyeight7769 At least there the two are actually inspired by the same kind of Germans and even then, it’s sort of a stretch especially if you learn the design choice and reason why they were made like how they were. It’s like comparing the Lion King to Kimba the White Lion, go beyond appearances and you’ll realize that there are quite a few differences
personally more a fan of the Armageddon Steel Legion as the greatcoat and gasmask lads because of the mechanized warfare approach but Kreig is cool and yes i like how it should be seen as an amalgamation of all of ww1 aesthetics. also i would think that Tau would also have the advantage with their stealth and their battlesuits jumpyness to also outmaneuver Kreig lines like the can Eldar. at least using stealth to cause serious disruption behind the trenches enough to make the main force break through
One small note, in the krieg book it told that the nukes that he use were warp infuse nukes. They were considered so powerful that the main krieg guy and the tech preist theorized that the Big E purposely hid them away cause they were considered to dangorous. The main krieg did warn the rebels to surrender or he will destroy them all and proceed to do so when they refuse.
Once I read a bit more about how France was defeated in early WW2, I stopped summing it up as “the Germans went around the Maginot Line” and started saying “the Belgians dismantled half of France’s defenses in a burst of stupidity after the Allied betrayal of Czechoslovakia, which let the Germans march through all but unopposed.”
Thanks for using my Garry’s mod picture (9:11) “Death Korps of Krieg “ in your video. Really appreciate you having it. Feel free to use other pictures from my Deviantart for future videos.
Thanks for bringing up that Krieg isn't based off only ww1 Germany (emphasis on ONLY), It seems a lot of people who took a middle school history class and fell in love with anything German from the world wars because they are rebellious and begin idolizing their personal head cannon version of Germany come to warhammer and latch onto kreig and then only focus on the German inspiration.
One oversighted aspect: DKoK are Siege regiements. Not Defensive Regiments. They assault, they attack, they move. Making trentches and concrete bunkers are just standard pasttime while officers decide when to flood the enemy, storm and exploit.
On the Shovel meme: It was actually a ‘trend’ at least in the German army to use shovels and Granades when storming trenches, cause shovels where easier to remove after killing someone (leaving less time for your enemy to shoot you, whilst you try to figure out how to get your bayonet out off the other guys rib cage) So at least there is some real life pendent for the meme (although it is grossly overdone)
It was also for France, idk bout england but wouldnlt be surprised, no general knew that much bout trenches warfare so soldiers from all side kinda ended up having to improvise and found out that shovels were better than bayonets
In reference to the Necrons beating Krieg, that actually happens in the novel "Dead Men Walking." Spoilers ahead for the novel: An Imperial mining world is revealed to be a slowly awakening tomb world, and its PDF are all but massacred. The nearest Imperial force is a regiment of Krieg on leave, who swiftly arrive and begin their usual tricks of turning whole city blocks into rubble, and digging huge-ass defense lines. As it turns out, the Necrons are better at attrition warfare than the Kriegers, who, while inflicting some casualties with melta and plasma, are slowly whittled away before retreating and abandoning the planet to its fate.
I've always saw the shovel meme as more about how the Kriegers are always working. that while not standing guard or actively shooting at enemies, they are expanding the trench network with their shovels, and if enemies broke their line and got into the trench at that time, you'd wack em with the shovel.
Fun little fact about the name of the planet, in the new krieg book they actually make mention of how they all knew that the world's name Krieg literally meant war, and at least prior to the civil war they all thought it was a bit weird how their world's name was essentially war in another language inspite of them having been in a long ass age of peace. If you ever do more of these videos please do one on the Tallarn desert raiders. I fuckin love those guys and how they got virus bombed by the iron warriors and simply did not care and baited the iron warriors to mass deploying everything from titans to legions to try and wipe them out, before they gave up and gave Tallarn the dub.
I think the thing I find most funny is that the source material for this fan favorite faction is about as expensive as the whole army now. Good luck getting an imperial armor book nowadays. But yeah, I think and and a lot of other people's adoration for the kriegers is just the fact that their schtick is so perfect for the setting. 40k is already a setting with grimdark shit like small Tyranids and Gretchen being used to clog weapons batteries with their bodies. Then the boys from krieg come in and march unfazed into machine gun lines. The idea of that level of fanaticism/ disregard for ones life is hilarious. Like immediately your brain goes, ok what's the worst big ugly monstrous thing that would make even a space marine piss himself, now throw some death korps at it and watch the big ugly start cowering in fear. Like that's the kinda thing krieg inspires, in a way because it's an infinite tide you can bloodlet on the enemies it suddenly lightens the tone of things. Also subterranean tunnel fighting is just too cool.
the tunnel warefare sounds really cool like imagine on table top giant tunnels (roof of course) snaking in and around each other large enough to fit leman russ tanks through with engineers and infantry men backing them up would be a new experience since its so restricting yet open
Necrons can also just pop up behind their fortifications like the Eldar as they are the most adept at telaportation. They can even telaport away as soon as they adjust their forces to attack from another unexpected angle
Exactly. They're nothing but pitiable. It's not admirable to be forced into the cruelest situation imaginable at like 16, and being forced into the most horrifying version of the very harmful "be a man" slogan. It's just sad and depressing.
still find the idea funny that the Deathkorp is just a fungus like the Orks that just comes with the Pillbox material. just build the first trench, put a pillbox near or on it, sow your Deathkorps seed in it and wait a few days. voila there is your trench network build and filled with soldiers.
Good point about the suicide thing, I always wonderred why kriegsbois are supposedly almost suicidal when their specialty is attrition warfare. Winning in attrition requires you to minimize losses to outtrade the enemy. The part about being unbreakable, fighting to the last however fits quite well here.
Krieg is that type of thing where you love the thing, but hate the fans. Also I think their main advantage is the morale aspect. These people demand the most inhospitable warzones, ones where other guard regiments would suffer morale issues because they know that's their strength. Also they are calculative to the point where they'll actively sacrifice themselves to allow other regiments to retreat first instead of going hand in hand, if the other regiment is considered in some way better. A Cadian is better at killing the Emperor's enemies than I, a humble Kriegsman, thus if I die, and this Cadian can retreat and fight another day there will be a sum total more dead xenos and or heretics in the galaxy than if it was switched, so obviously I'll just let them go first. The Krieg guardsmen are practically regarded and expended with same consideration as ammunition or the equipment they wear, and they all agree that this makes perfect sense.
I quite enjoy krieg as I have a deep interest in the ww1 style of trench warfare, and how complex and advanced it got by the time 1917 rolled around and the entente started to make moves on The Germans, and krieg embodies this perfectly and I love them for it. Btw, krieg guardsmen using shovels as a primary weapon isn’t as far fetched as it sounds. If a krieg regiment is engaging in trench warfare with say traitor guard , once krieg troops reach the enemy trenches, the conditions become less than ideal for a lasgun + bayonet combo, due to the cramped conditions one finds in a trench. A shovel (entrenching tool) is a very handy improvised melee weapon that’s more suited for the brutal, close up fighting in trenches due to its size and ability to still mess someone up, in WW1 for example, when both sides sent parties to raid the opponents trenches, they often left behind their rifles and went with revolvers and improvised melee weapons such as maces or shovels, much easier to swing a shovel than a rifle/bayonet combo. Oh and later on the Germans used SMG’s in their stormtrooper units due to their compact size
1:07 I feel like you might actually like the story of the Severan dominate then it doesn't actually have that much to do with chaos and the only alien factions involved or works and the dark eldar slightly. But the idea of human tragedy that doesn't directly just go into chaos is a compelling idea although I don't think another regiment should be made
I will say some of these armies are more neutral to me, even matches where it comes down to the forces at play more so then anything else. The 4 I can think of are Tyranid, Iron Warrior, Nurgle, and Necrons. Tyranid: While the hive mind can adapt it does rely a large amount on large wave charges, something the Kriegsmen will be able to deal with more easily. If they try to burrow under the trenches, the Kriegsmen got Engineers who specialize in that warfare as well with specialist gas bombs, something the nids tend to not like. I'd say it comes down to if the Tyranids figure out a plan fast enough before Krieg does enough damage. Iron Warriors: Both masters of this type of warfare, I firmly say it's down to whose ready first. Krieg may have numbers, but as a handful of Iron Warriors showed on Vraks, that doesn't mean shit to them. Then again the Iron Warriors didn't go on the attack and were being whittled down faster then they could Krieg so it's even to me. Nurgle: Again, 2 masters of Attrition. Nurgle has some tougher guys but their slower speed means the Korps artillery is gonna be useful. Of course Nurgle could beat them but they'd need stronger plagues and gas then usual to beat guys specialty trained and suited to contaminated areas. Again, 2 masters of that type of warfare, it's down to the forces at play. Nurgle did well enough on Vraks but again, didn't stop them nor were they really destroyed. Necrons: I think you see a theme here. Attrition warfare. There is a major battle of Krieg vs. Necrons that Krieg almost won till the populace turned on Krieg for being too harsh. But, that regiment was redeploing elsewhere and I don't think at full strength so maybe a little more krieg power would have won and sealed them, I don't know. What I do know is it's 2 armies of vast, fearless warriors, one with better tech, the other who can outnumber and a bit more outmanuver.
The Krieg are my favorite Imperial Guard faction. If I actually played the Tabletop, they'd be the army I'd actually collect. When that Deathwing game comes out. I hope there is a Krieg sub class.
krieg subclass would be more badass than its original "body" or regiment because i dont think krieg would allow any "sub-class" be weaker than its original regiment atleast be on par
Talking about krieg, I particuraly enjoyed a scene in „Dead men walking” when a DK officer (i think, been some time since ive read it) was a bit dissapointed/saddened that the comissar he once worked with didn’t recognize him
7:59 uhmm uhmmm ackshuwally WWI soldiers preferred the shovel to the bayonet because the bayonets tended to get stuck in the enemy's now-corpse whereas the shovels did not
I took me quite a while to realize that their helmets might be a combination of the 2 most drippy helmets in WW1, the Stanhelm and the Adrian helmet Although i like the Pikehelbe more than both of them
Even in mindset despite the french reputation if you look at the battle of the Somme or even Dunkirk (not the british movie with the boys band actor but the actual facts) the french soldiers were pretty reluctant and were known to old on aggainst pretty bad odd (to go back to dunkirk a german general reported that even tho they outnumbered the french 5 to 1, after the british fleed, they were still holding on strong)
Seeing the costs of Krieg models is… depressing. Like, I decided to make an almost entirely Calvary Guard force, Lord Solar leading Attilans and Krieg officers leading death riders… *_AND THEN I SAW THE PRICE_*
I really enjoy the Death Korps. However I look at the Catachan jungle fighters who are ultra chads. Do the Korp have a Sly Marbo? No this is why they are better
I think SODAZ made a good video displaying Death Korps of Krieg before it was removed. I have never played TT Warhammer but I geek out at the stories, Lore, Novels and Audiobooks. I think these guys are neat. They consider wearing '2 skins', they Advance in step of a Space Marine (As the meme goes) to keep THEM safe, They relish and celebrate being surrounded purely because they 'REEEEEE' out of excitement that they may shoot in every direction. The trench tool wielding just adds to their 'Trench Warfare' style. I love this kind of Lore.
You should read Dead Man Walking, its about a hive world which gets defended by krieg against a necron awakening. Really emphasizes the situation of the normal people and shows that the death korps aren't just masturbating over trenches all the time. Also robot bois > space elfs
Small point outs, the lasgun utilized by krieg is a pattern that only 15 shots in its capacity but with a few shots can put down a apace marine, burning through the cerimite armor. Unsupported death korps of krieg detachments, not full regiments but small units were able to counter traitor marine forces when encountered, most likely at great cost; it is humans against space marines still after all, but they ended up winning engagements. In relation to the necrons, yeah a fully awakened or even partially awakened tomb world would be a tough battle, however oddly enough the Krieg have actually beaten the Necrons in attrition warfare, and almost blew up a dormant tomb with a nuke. What stopped the kriegsmen was the local populous ambushing the transport team because they were tired of the kriegs way of fighting (that being casualties are acceptance during battle, be it soldier or civilian) and had also begun worshipping the necrons. With vraks around the corner the fight against the necrons was abandoned as no more losses were acceptable on this world. Krieg battle doctrine is to spend lives as needed, they excel in attrition style warfare, be it as attackers or defenders, but they're not good at the other forms of fighting. That's why there is so many types of regimens with many being specialized for types of war, types of environments, or both. I love the kriegsmen, they have there ups and their downs, but all in all when people actually look at them and their philosophy, the Death Korps of Krieg are an effective and efficient fighting force, undeterred by even the worst the galaxy can throw at them, they understand the pice a victory can be, but pay it with tactics, strategies, and equipment that see to it that victory is won no matter how many troops die. The most interesting thing though is how much trust the Imperium bureaucracy actually has in the Death Korps, as they are one of the few units in the Imperium that are allowed to employ combined arms tactics.
tbh i think krieg is one of the more badass regiments out there but if they were given a bit more humanity i think alot of people would actually love working with them because they fight more efficently than most regiments
Can't help but notice you didn't mention the fact that they dont have traditional names and only end up with a designated number. You know to make administration easier.
To be fair by the time WW1 happened the french high command thought that the 1800's forts and fortifications were absolete so they moved out most of the heavy guns and soldiers from them to the trenches....the irony of this is that when the Verdun offensive began the germans practically melted the trenches which were 2-3 metres deep to a flat ground with their artillery, whereas the old forts escaped without a scratch.
Nah man I’m pretty sure they are a fungus. Was gardening and dug a trench for some roses and boom, Kriegsman rushed me. Two seconds later my garden had been turned into an artillery battery platform. Can’t have crap in the imperium
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so how long until that Forerunner in 40k video?
Night Lord: "I'm sending you to the beach! HAHAHAHAHA!"
Kriegsman: "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"
You monster!
Even worse, his shovel gets stolen.
@@hatbrox he gets a plastic replacement for sandcastles to add insult to injury
He gets sent to a paradise world
Omaha Beach
13:20, there was a sick moment where a krieger with a melta gun tries to shoot a necron lord but it keeps phasing out so one kriegsman puts it in a headlock so it couldn't phase and the melta guy just meltas them both DBZ Raditz style
That's insane good lord
How the hell does a kriegsman headlock a necron lord
wow thats the dumbest thing i ever heard. funny but stupid
Wasn't it that novel where Grenadiers would engage necron warriors in melee to prevent them form using beam weapons while the melta guys went to town?
@@kinoman4875 I assume that he was so stunned that in the 41st millennium that somebody broke out a 2nd millennium wrestling move in this kind of war he had to think about wether waking up was the right call or not.
My favourite guard regiment is the Mordian Iron Guard, because they got drip and in Gate of Bones, one of the first 40k novels I read a Mordian General stood up to a Custodes.
that one :heresy two: really stupid 3: big ball moove
@@captaineflowchapka5535 Misinterpretation on Hendrik's end, or a miscommunication: the Mordian General essentially said "I value my men's lives, please do a fellow servant of the Emperor a favor and don't waste us."
Ballsy, but also something that got the respect of the Custodes. If the Custodes respect you... you're free of any and all heresy, basically.
Good, but out of the main regiments, it’s Catachan all the way. But the ultimate is the Tanith first and only 🌲
Based Mordian Appreciator. How many Mordians does it take to have sex? three. One Male and female guard to do the fucking, and another male guard to maintain cadence
I like the krieg and the valhallans
I know much less about the valhallans than I do the krieg though
“Because every member of the Death Korps has a bucket list that starts and ends with ‘Murder-suicide’”
By far the best line I’ve ever heard
Hot take here: Krieg as a whole lore/meme piece is probably one of the few times the fanbase probably did more damage to the presentation of 40k Lore than GW itself.
Not just Krieg. The guard as a whole (ex: lasguns are flashlights), T'au (the "space weaboo communist" meme), and Ork gellar field ("a stick can become a cannon if enough Orks believe it") are other things that the fanbase has bastardized.
Meme canon has heavily warped the way a lot of people view the setting.
@@atanaspetkov580it’s why I hate the memes. Half of them aren’t funny, the other half just get repeated by a dumbass TH-camr uploading a short for views and gets his already incorrect information repeated verbatim
@@atanaspetkov580 as someone who “learned” a lot of the lore from memes and then finding out it’s all bullshit I can confirm this is true
@@atanaspetkov580 tau suck no matter what
@Atanas Petkov The guard always gets the short end of the stick.
Necrons excel at attrition and shreked the Krieg in Dead Men Walking. Granted, the Imperium didn't really know what they were going up against. The Krieg thought they were slowly winning the war, not realizing the Necrons could recover their dead bots nearly infinitely.
From what I recall from Dead Men Walking, the Krieg generals deliberately deployed the nearest four understrength regiments to the dormant tombworld because it was a win-win situation. If the Krieg destroyed the Necron tombworld's systems before it could fully awaken, it would be an Imperial victory. If not, all Krieg would have lost would be four understrength regiments.
@@minimalbstolerance8113 Hmmm. I might have to read again. I just remember the planet calling for help and the closest help happened to be a sort of beaten up Krieg force. But doesn't discount the fact that the Krieg think they're winning and thus keep throwing bodies thinking that's the solution when they aren't actually making progress against the necrons unless they knock out the power sources. By the time they realize it its way way too late and they lose the world.
@@minimalbstolerance8113 except it isnt a win win in the slightest. The krieg who are on the backfoot fighting off the unbeatable waves of immortal soldiers are not going to make their way into the massive planet spanning tombs of the necrons, much less actually break enough shit to give a big advantage. And also losing 4 regiments, understrength or not, is not a victory in the slightest, especially when the goal is to stop everyone from being murdered.
Fun fact: During the Siege of Vraks, Kriegers shot their Commissars to retreat in panick. So yes, Kriegers can in fact be scared. It just takes a bit more than usual.
If I had a titan bearing down on me, I'd want to run the hell away because i know my flashlight won't do jack no matter how much faith and fanaticism I put into it
Few can watch a building sized centipede snake monster rip itself from the ground and kill 12 of your fellow soldiers with a swipe and not be terrified.
And that turned into a meme where Krieger always shoots their own commissar when there's an excerpt from a kriegsman saying they got nothing but respect to their own commissar, an outsider, not native to the planet of krieg yet understands how the regiment works.
Wasnt the issue specific to the first idiot lord commander's stupid plan with the artillery for days maneuver?
Krieger: FALLBACK
commissar: GET BACK ON THE LINE, I THOUGHT YOU ALL WANTED TO DIE FOR THE EMPEROR.
Krieger: I plan to take as many of the traitors with me now get out of our way
Commissar: GET BACK ON THE LINE GUARDMEN
*ANGRY GASMASK NOSIE*
*LASEGUN BLAST*
KRIEGER: now that that's settled let's move people
Cool T'au fact- The Breacher Teams are somewhat the T'au equivalent of the Empire's Kriegers.
Not that they're built for attrition warfare, but they do have the highest casualty rate amongst Fire Warriors. They were designed in answer to the Imperium's fortified and defensive fighting styles, and so its the ballsiest and most Krieg-like T'au that are given Laser Shotguns and charged into trenches to dig out stubborn enemy positions.
Okay maybe it's not a fact, but I do think of the Breachers as T'aus own miniature Krieg formations.
*plasma shotguns
I like this cool T’au fact
It's a little sad how the Tau and the Tyranids, the only factions to canonically invest time and resources into developing new tactics in response to the enemies they face can never manage to stay on top of the meta for more than one release.
something cool about T'au for once
@@randombencounter263 lol, maybe. At least for T'au I've always felt like that's how they manage to keep up, being at otherwise such a disadvantage. Of course there's only so much room for narrative and game design to share.
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Armageddon would like a word
Angron
Ferrus manus.
@@dr.vanilla9017 Ferrus Manus has a _TINY_ shred of subtlety
@@localcrazyrussian4511 Iron hand, Primarch of the iron hands, with his iron hands on their ship the hand of iron
@@pogsothoth Space wolf.
" Lords of the Imperium; My world has turned its back against you, but I have not. I request aid in correcting this grievous atrocity. "
" You better do something about it yourself, or so help me God Emperor we'll do something about it "
Yeah nah I think he made the right choice. Nuking the hell out of your own planet is an infinitely preferable choice than letting the Imperium sort it out. Once it gets going, it never stops, look at Rophanon for example. At least the Kriegers still have a world, the imperium would’ve turned krieg to glass and beyond
Oh it's better then that. The imperium was the ones who supplied the launch codes to the nukes as well as the location. So they gave the guy the nukes to blow up the planet.
@@inquisitordonklas7928 A little point the video misses is that the nukes actually were the help from the Imperium; they told him about a secret cache from the Dark Ages (or whatever its called when they had all that murder-tech laying around) filled with nuclear warheads, which he released upon his unsuspecting enemies while his city went into pre-emptive total lockdown. The enemies weren't completely destroyed, but his city survived largely unfazed, letting him even the playing field and eventually win the war.
@@vurrunna After 500 years of attrition oriented, deeply rooted, bloody and vicious trench and underground warfare...
The Krieg have earned the right to be called masters of trench warfare.
The Iron Warriors and Kriegers were treated very similarly by the Imperium, but reacted in complete opposite ways. It could make for an interesting conflictIt on a thematic level, the zealously devoted sons vs the bitter resentful bastards. As for the match up, I would still go for the Iron Warriors cause of their daemon fuckery. I know the IW don't use daemons as much, but even daemon engines can have a harmful warp aura that can petrify guardsmen with fear and despair, I'm using "Storm of Iron" as a source for that. And while the soldiers of the Death Korps are able to restrain their emotions, I still doubt they can resist Warp magics.
happened at the battle of raks if i remember correctly a war band of iron.warriors showed and gave the kriegers a hard time. along with other war bands.
kinda hard to stay calm when someone can force you to panic against your will
and don't forget the mind-raped Tyranid hive ship that shits Titans in the battlefield
@@SamueL-td7fb I mean that one belongs to Honsu and his Iron Warriors, I'm not sure the average warband would have one of those. Plus I think it's a transport, not exactly making the titan itself. Don't get me wrong it's still badass af and a miracle of chaos engineering and it would be terrifying to face. Stuff like hellbrutes, obliterators, daemon engines and occasionally daemons of some variety alongside the standard attrition strategies are what would make it harder for the Kriegers to pull off a win, on average at least.
I play death Korps and my buddy plays iron warriors, so whenever I play as my death korpsmen we always have an awesome giant city siege game
To make it even worse I think the most realistic prediction for Warhammer 50K is every regiment is krieg.
In one of the books it's described that kreig has the ability to continue reinforcing old regiments while producing new ones.
Eventually they might start out producing a majority of other Imperial Guard regiments and slowly replace them.
An interesting note is that for a planet of its size, they send the maximum amount of regiments every year that the imperium allows them to.
And even then they have more regiments to send
@@clonetf141 krieg apparently churns out 50 million men each year so they might eventually
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@@Despot_janny my favorite regiment, the Death Korps of Greg
They're one of the only planets allowed to use cloning technology right?
Thank you, PancreasNoWork for being the first TH-camr (I’ve seen) to actually call out the dumb Death Korps memes and explain that the Death Korps ISN’T JUST WW1 GERMANY! Just WW1 in general.
I mean still better than thinking the Death Korps are Nazi Germany
People are dumb enough to think that?
@@epser5842 They are.
@@epser5842 Cuts both ways really, you got people trying to cancel Warhammer 40K for promoting nazism via Death Korps and then you have neofash trying to use the Death Korps to insert their shitty ideology into
Don't thank him for being the first youtuber (for calling them out), thank him for hating those "memes".
In the book dead men walking where an imperial world accidentally awakens the necron tomb world under them.. the death korps is send in and do as told exactly as told without hesitation. That includes when the world was deemed lost and they were told to do a tactical retreat which they did at that exact point without emotion. They are only as stoic as the orders demand them to be
yup then later they fough necrons again (idk remember which battle) but they were able to hold their own in that one from the information of that necron tomb world
Naming something in a language without knowing what it actually means seem to be GW's modus operande
Example: Fulgrim's other name
@@axelNodvon2047 What of it? I always found Fulgrim quite ironic because he is completely white (skin and hair). Things are better with Leman Russ who is actually a redhead.
Or they do know and they're having a giggle.
Karl Franz Holswig Schliestein? You cannot make a name like that without knowing a bit about Germany.
Karl (super generic German name) French (it's a prefix used in words like französisch, Franzose, Franzbranntwein) Schleswig Holstein (the northernmost region of Germany, just north of Hamburg. I don't know the details but I'm told it's part of Germany due to a particularly complex historical quirk involving Denmark. Also, the When Wacken Open Air festival is hosted there. One of the biggest metal festivals in the world. 80,000 people/year.)
So I think they did it in purpose for fun
GW made the Imperial Guard on a GI-Joe mindset. Take a military archetype like the Sailor or the Footslogger, Demolitions Guy, The Leader, buff sailor dude, Tech Guy, Girl Soldier or whatever and turn it into an Action Figure/Miniature and then slap a character/worldbuilding about their homeworld onto them. The biggest difference was that Hasbro went for what was then US military dudes and GW went more broadly with Vietnam Warrior Guys, Modern-ish guys, Soviet Guys, Imperial Russian Guys, etc.
I wanna make an Astartes legion called the Black Panthers... No... Not what you're thinking... Maybe...
I hate how accurate this is
And it was a fucking amazing idea that should be expanded upon
Random fact about the Maginot line.
France knew Germany was going to go past it.
But they thought Germany would go further up the coast, and not through the Ardennes with the forest that makes moving Tanks through very difficult.
And France wanted to expand the Maginot line further up, but Belgium protested it.
YES! People always clown on France for the Maginot line because it was a static defense. In reality, it was part of a larger plan to defend against Germany in case of an invasion. IIRC, France's plan involved sending troops north through Allied Belgium to counter German forces at the border, thus creating a full defense covered by the Maginot line and the Belgian-German border. However, near the start of WWII, Belgium redeclared it's neutrality, meaning France could no longer enact their plan without violating Belgian neutrality, and had to wait for German troops to enter Belgium first.
TL;DR -- France fell bc of Belgium's bitching
Wait. What do you mean the French aren't German?
In all seriousness I'm glad that this is a more honest and realistic look of the Kriegsmen. They're my favorite faction in 40k, and while I am guilty of appreciating the shovel memes, I do agree that it has gotten to the point where many don't know much about them beyond just the memes.
The French are what happen when a Gaul learns Latin and marries a German.
@@AuburnTigers111 And was part of Western Francia.
Wait, what memes about the Kreig? I thought people knew about it because of their looks resembling that of WW1 Germans. That's how I learned about them and like them for their expertise in siege warfare. Hell, I didn't learn about the shovel memes (though, let's be real I definitely see the Death Korps creating a sort of chain shovel as a melee which would be kickass) until like a week ago. Hell, I didn't even know the "charge at the enemy blindly and die for no reason" was a meme and was more "due to their history regarding the Emperor it was for a repentance."
@@AuburnTigers111 Or at least is ruled by some german warlord who killed his gaulish landowner.
The French, I'd argue, are also historically an even better fit as the inspiration for the Death Corps of Krieg than the Germans. At the Battle of Verdun, the longest battle of the entire war, the French adopted a battle cry of "on ne passe pas!", meaning "they shall not pass!" as they spent 303 days holding the line against endless German attacks. It's fucking badass, if you ask me.
Apparently underneath all that dirt gear and the gas mask the Krieg actually very attractive physically to the eye. They look a little on the young side but their noted traits is having firm gray eyes which definitely show the horror of war that they seen despite their youthful looks, and for the most part have blond flowing hair. I'm not sure if it was in the novel Krieg or in the novel Dead Men Walking in one of them a
normal Imperial citizen catches a glimpse of a kriegsman without his helmet or gas mask and it's apparently written that he's handsome. But almost a little too young infact to even be considered a white Shield among the Cadian... it's implied that they look so young because the planet might be using unethical practices when it comes to their Vitea womb systems.
It also goes into the unnatural feeling of uneasiness that just looking at your average Kriegsman can give. It's not implied that their blanks like jurgen from The cain novels. But it's definitely implied that there's something about them that isn't quite right compared to what a normal human feels. My personal belief and this is just my theory is that the repeated use of those wombs is slowly but surely Dulling and dumbing-down the Soul potential. Like right now there may be about 15% of the way to being a blank. Clearly a good chunk of what makes a human a human is missing from them. But it's not enough to the point where they are completely seen as a void Within the emotional Spectrum. However I believe that if you gave it like maybe another hundred Millennia or so the planet would just be pumping out blanks for their standard infantry soldiers. just think about that for a moment just think about how powerful of a weapon against chaos that would be to have an entire Army of Imperial Guardsmen for not only blanks but also have the almost psychotic mindset of the kriegsman. That might actually even be the plan. Maybe not implying that was originally designed. But it definitely could be something that might occur in the Far Far Future, that maybe someone found out about the flaw and did something to ensure that the flaw would, after they are turned into corpse starch and don't have to worry about the consequences, end up manifesting, something beneficial. As long as a blank is given an order they will follow it out Jurgen is proof of this. Now imagine Army of Jergens all led by commissars with the the same amount of Madness and balls-to-the-wall self-preservation as cain himself. The Imperium would be reclaimed from the rip caused by the eye of Terror and its resulting destruction within at least 325 years and that's not even including needing to use the primaris Marines. If you included them into the calculation it wouldn't even take 35 years standard
That...OR they just live in an ULTRA repressive society were human happiness is to be seen as icky and are immersed in a cult of self flagellation so deeply ingrained that even the biggest gluttons for self humiliation and punishment (i.e. Slaaneshi cultists) would find a bit too much.
To the person who tried to reply to my comment unfortunately TH-cam has decided to delete your comment for some reason
That’s very interesting
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I see what you mean but ultimately it would not be an human empire for exactly that reason. It would be closer to some flesh-necron state.
I want to see a story about a Krieg Soldier becoming immortal/ a Custodian Aquilan Shield gets stuck trying to protect a Kriegsmen. Both would be hilarious
Krieger: I MUST DIE FIR THE EMPEROR!!!!!
custodian: *picks him up* no you will do great things and we can’t have you dead yet
The best Story would be a Krieger Grenadier turning out to be a Perpetual, or a perpetual somehow getting into/passing for the Death Korps and having to deal with the shenanigans that would entail, especially if it's with mixed regiments fighting on a planet.
@@sebastianls412 exactly what I was thinking
@@mrpizzacat8273 ***my god emperor how much have I sinned?!***
Gets constant respawn
@@mmouse1886 Saw a comic exactly about that. The kriegsman's breathing intensified drastically.
About the Shovel bit, many world war I soldiers prefered using shovels and entrenching tools to bayonets in the close confines of the trenches. Here is a good quote from "all quiet on the western front" which is based on Remarque's own experiences in the trenches of the war
"In any case, the bayonet isn't as important as it used to be. It's more usual now to go into the attack with hand-grenades and your entrenching tool. The sharpened spade is a lighter and more versatile weapon - not only can you get a man under the chin, but more to the point, you can strike a blow with a lot more force behind it. That's especially true if you can bring it down diagonally between the neck and the shoulder, because then you can split down as far as the chest. When you put a bayonet in, it can stick, and you have to give the other man a hefty kick in the guts to get it out.
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Yet were replaced with knives and maces guess they found out if you wanna do melee make an actual weapon
This reminds me that I appreciate the detail in battlefield 1 where you actually strike an enemy between the shoulder and the neck when you use the shovel in a kill move, with the shovel embedding itself deep in them just like this excerpt describes.
Such a work of craftsmanship that game was.
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I dont get It, why would a shovel lover be mad at the Death Korps not being the best at everything? A shovel is best used in a trech and as a weapon when the enemy attacks your trench, dont waste It elsewhere
Exactly. The Death Korps is my favorite Guard regiment, and I love the memes, but acting like they're the best at everything was always something I never understood.
The cool thing about the IG is that it has an answer to everything through the sheer variety of specialist regiments at its disposal, so why wouldn't it be cool enough for Krieg to be a hard counter to several of the Imperium's biggest threats and not all of them? Like, is it really less cool if it takes a cooperative effort from several regiments, each locking down a certain aspect of the battlefield, to take out some of the scarier threats than it is to have one that does everything extremely well? And if so, what would be the point of things like Space Marines?
@@sethmiller2532 exactly, the point of the IG is the variety in the regiments, to hold the line call the Death Korps, to make ambushes and stealth missions call the Tanith First and Only, you want to drop a human nuke in the enemy camp to destroy their supplies? The Catachans are your guys, you want to clean a world full of Chaos and xenos? Call Sly Marbo
@@sethmiller2532 GW: We could but we're too busy with profiteering and making transgender space marines.
@@sethmiller2532 although i would agree that krieg be good at everything logically would not make sencse as their battle tactics are seige, attrition, and trench/tunnel warfare but krieg being hard couters to basically alot if not most of the enemies the imerium has to fight againts is cool in their own right I just wish there were more novels about them because a lot of people in this comment section either revert back to the shovel memes or outright choosing another gaurdsmen regiment even though this is a krieg video
About the shovel, it is history time ! During WW1, heads of the french army thought bayonet was a good melee weapon based on previous conflicts. It was in an open filed battle, XIXth century style.Unfortinatly, in trenches, with very little space when your are drag into melee combat, a gigantic stick with a little knife at the end is not the best weapon. So the french treachmen started using the shovels for combat, despite their primarly purpose as a tool for the trenches. When it was time, a guy going to the front with just a sharp shovel and a couple of grenades wasn't so uncommon.
So yes, I think kriegsmen primarly use shovel during battles in their confort zone : trench battles.
(I am only talking about frenchen because I only know about them, but since both sides were doiing more or less the same I assume germans also used shovels a lot)
While i do not have the historical sources to back it up, i am pretty sure the use of shovels was even briefly mentioned in the novel "Nothing new at the Western front".
Where the old and experienced recruits tell the new guys to just use their shovels instead of their bayonets.
So it seems likely that the germans were in a pretty similar situation. ...shocking, i know. :)
so, in WW1, bayonets weren't little knives like they would be in WW2, they were still 1.5 foot long (at minimum) blades with a focus on stabbing, less so on cutting. Remember that calvary was still believed to be viable at the beginning of the war and infantry were supposed to use a rifle with a bayonet as a spear to defend themselves. So a lot of people did do ad-hoc weapons for trench warfare, not just shovels (which were wonderful, you sharpen the edge for what is effectively an axe, and at the same time you don't have to carry something extra with you), but makeshift maces, knives, punch daggers, brass knuckles, anything that could be thrown around in tight quarters. It's only as the war goes on that you start getting specialized equipment/units, like the german storm troopers who were specialized for raiding trenches and would usually be armed with pistols and bags of grenades
At the beggining? Perhaps, but then trench knives and maces were introduced to fill that particular gap, including a switch in bayonet tactics, with soldiers often removing the bayonets and using them as standalone knives in the trench. Shovels would be a desperate last resource by the time specialized trench weapons had been introduced, and useless by 1918 when the submachinegun was introduced, as you can still harm with a knife while being injured on the ground, while being almost impossible to do with a shovel
@@magmat0585 sturmtrüppen actually used bolt action carbines before the MP18 was introduced, although their main threat came from the large amounts of grenades they carried. They still had a ton of losses per charge, but they were trained to breach a small section of the trench and fight from there, not really make a large, extended push as armies did when the war started
@@staringgasmask good correction, thanks
I used to hate the death korps because of the unfunny memes, but once I read that Ciaphas Cain novel and they described their demeanor, chem implants and "horses" I warmed up to them. Great video!
You think they’re unfunny because you have bad sense of humor and bad taste, frankly.
I have mixed feelings and this video drums up a lot of thoughts I have. Unfortunately, I think people are going to come here and start spamming said 'Dead Memes' in spite of some of the points here. And... I guess, in a way, that's okay. But it's also sad. Thematically, the Krieg are extremely German. Not just German, of course, but it's the backbone there. The flared stahlhelm mixed with the Adrian helmet. The Lucius no. 98 being a reference to the K98 used by the Imperial German Army. Hell, their native designs are even a reference to Germanic names, culture or artists. Brunnhilde, Gotterdamerung Howitzer, the Ragnarok tank, the Blitzen artillery platform...
And there's something neat about that. A society near swallowed up by war naming their machines after references to old plays, artists and theatrics. A retention of the Human in the soul-devouring Martial. Instead, people puppet a joke they heard from a friend that heard from a friend that was introduced to the setting by said joke by a friend, etc, etc. Hell, Kriegers in the ye olde 3e Codex were originally shown with an axe looped in their belt. Not a shovel, an axe. The shovel jokes didn't come about until 4chan's /tg/ board began making jokes about supplies going off to Imperial institutions were replaced by shipments of Kriegers who'd build fortifications in odd places. They didn't use them as weapons. They used them as tools. The joke changed, as they do, but the lack of understanding of the origin and the reason has led to a flanderization of a frankly amazing regiment.
They're one of the most highly trained 'regular' Imperial forces. Just behind Cadians, honestly. They're not Scions, of course, but they're damned good. And to get that, to create a mass produced force that is that quality, they're made of broken child soldiers. There's a duality to the Krieg when you look down deep enough that you, for a moment, touched on. The pitiable bit and the stoic half. I think people waver into one or the other too much.
The best exploration of the Krieg, I believe, has come in Steve Lyon's shortstory 'Left for Dead'. We don't have a Krieger committing warcrimes, slaying aliens or dying hard. He's breaking the rules. He's going AWOL. He's exploring if all of it, all of the Sacrifice, is truly worth it. He takes on a dead man's name. He befriends a little local girl. He stands a head above the Imperial citizenry, not only in build but in action. When others fear, he acts. When others waver, he trudges forward. Where others flinch, he endures.
But he also builds connections. He has yearnings. He doesn't just tolerate the little girl, he befriends her. They almost take on a thin sibling like connection. And then the setting reasserts itself and the story comes to a close. It's bittersweet, it's interesting and it explores what the Korps is about. It's not about being suicidal. The Krieg aren't suicidal. They're driven and religiously motivated, yes, but the goal of death in the Emperor's name is just an aspect of their belief. The Valhallans are willing to die, after all. Hell, the Vostroyans know much about owing debts.
The Krieg are the only ones that truly uphold sacrifice to such an ideal, though. They have given up everything and continue to do so. They have offered their home, their history, their wonders and their arts, their culture and their name and their future all onto the alter of war and burnt it in the attempt to find mercy from a stoic corpse-god. They fight, tooth and nail, but their own abilities means they cannot be forgiven. To be forgiven is to lose a purpose, to reduce efficiency, to take away what it means to be Korps.
They are damned by their own duality and there's something sad yet heartening about that. The attempt in spite of it all. When Stringstorm released his Krieg song, I disliked it. It felt too self-weepy for a Krieg song. Theirs is a martial tradition, unbowed but accepting of the weight of what must come. It is discipline, iron and steel, but it is pitted and worn. Tired, but inexorable and unwilling to stop. But people look at them, see them as 'funny suicide shovel man' and all of the interesting bits get run out by a constant barrage of the same worn out jokes.
And then we ended up with the latest Krieg novel and good god was it fuckin' terrible.
Remind me on the latest Krieg Novel, sir. I wish to burn my eyes right about now.
I would argue that beyond the name so have the cadians and in their case is arguably even more tragic because there wasn't any event that make them do it merely the fact that someone had to do the job and they were the more available group.
Sidenote, the German Empire in WW1 did not use the Kar98. They used the Gewehr 98, which is literally a Kar98 but a little bit longer. Or, I guess the Kar 98 is the Gewehr 98 but shorter since the latter came first. The Kar 98 was used by Nazi Germany during WW2, which isn't what the Krieg are.
One aspect that I would see in Krieg is that, while they have this "grim tenacity" upon them, they are still HUMAN, but adding strange quirks in their life, like:
- intricate altars to the Emperor and its Saints, or some venerated figure (Jurten) made from discarded materials in the best "trench art" style;
- choir singing, where they would sing their own version of "The Watch on the Rhine" in a solemn way, to show their determination, their faith, and their HOPE for a future;
- gallow's humor, with trenches being given addresses like "Blown Head", "Bayonet Crossing", "Grenade Alley", etc, with also funny plaques saying "Nr. Of days without accidental grenade explosions", or stuff like that;
- "trench painting", an interesting method of meditation in which a Krieger (generally one more inclined to the arts) would take a portrait tripod, a clean canvas, brushes, paint, palette, go "up the trench", lay the material, and make a painting of the no-man's-land with a style resembling the ones during the 1910s and 20s;
- their humor would be DAAAAARK, as in: when they are searching for their target, they would take the head of an enemy corpse, and use it like a puppet like:
DK: "Hey, you! What is your name?"
Head(DK using a very whinny voice): "I am Bitchy von Tot, a sissy enemy who died like the little fag that I am."
DK: "Where is your base?"
Head: "Oh, the base where the other sissy-parents of Bitchy are over there." (Moves head to point towards the enemy base).
DK: "Good. Now-" (Krieger gives a pimp slap to the head, to "sent it away" and remove it from his hand) "- don't bother us. We are working."
Also, another thing: EVERY Militarum Regiment have their own Scions: they are not from the Schola Progenium, but from Veterans who had survived things that could kill a normal Guardsman a thousand times over, with each Regiment calling it with a different title.
And a Krieger Grenadier (the DKofK version of the Scions) is, HANDS DOWN, one of the most TERRIFYING things in the GALAXY...
“The imperium demanded that kreig send a regiment of men to reinforce the guard.”
“Kreig sent 20…”
THE ABSOLUTE **WOLVES** ON THESE PEOPLE!
I have to imagine the Tau would be absolutely awful against Kriegers, regardless of tech difference, just because Tau are all about precision strikes and carefully allocating their limited manpower, while the Imperium as a whole and the Krieg in particular can afford to throw bodies at a problem until it isn't one.
T'au would absolutely slaughter Kriegers. Unfortunately for them, all that advanced technology and superior tactics mean nothing when you're outnumbered 50 to 1.
@@bluethunderbolt9631 yea its basically quantity versus quality but if theres too much quatity quality stands no chance
The germans weren't the only ones to build trenches, but by nearly all Accounts Best at building trenches. And fun fact, in the beginning of the war every German soldier was issued a spade, the French only learned that lesson later
Ok german
Why do u mean about
Brits were the best equipped and trained on the continent at the start of the war, but lacked artillery and also their army was dwarfed by both french and German. But yeah Germans also had much more heavy artillery which aided them in the early trench battles of 1915, until the french also caught on.
Love the "matchup" style segments in the video. Havn't really seen anything like it before that i can remember and it's quite fun.
Actually, my guess would be that Krieg is named for the effect it has on the designation of the people from there: Im german at least, you usually take the name of the place and add -er. And Krieger just so happens to be the german word for warrior.
Like how "Ultramarines" is a cool name, so they're from Ultramar.
Krieg are fun, but i prefer the Catachan Jungle fighters, its an entire army of Rambos/Dutch's team from Predator
*"Dylan! 😁😁" Throbbing arm lock of love*
For me it's the Armageddon Steel Legions. Look as good as the Krieg but not as overrated. And they are actual people instead of suicide drones.
The Sabaton part at 8:35 is GLORIOUS
NOW THERE’S A STANDSTILL IN THE WAR, REPEATING WHATS BEEN DONE BEFORE
What's the song name?
@@Kamina.D.Fierce Stormtroopers. It's about a Special Forces unit the Germans made in WWI. A lot like Kriegers!
Iron warriors would send out waves of cultists to make the dkok run out of ammo, however they would still be a little less effective, as tactics such as forcing captured soldiers to drive towards the enemy and being shelled by their own men doesn’t do as much psychological damage as it would to other regiments. Iron warriors and Krieg would definitely be bros if they worked together, and weren’t used as the regular chaff to clog guns
0:26 James workshop
Oh, I think you forgot something.
Orks have Tellyportas. Actually, among the best in the whole setting (except for Necrons I think).
On the tabletop, there is a stratagem for... 4CP I think? that just straight up teleports a Stompa into the enemy army.
True but those teleports are usually more limited I believe? Typically orks favor a head long charge cuase the mek boy is unreliable at the best of times.
And don't forget about shock attack guns, the ones that teleport snotlings
I am glad to hear someone use this platform to make this point. A lot of fun is to be made from the memes associated with WH40K and the fluff, but seeing the increasing trend of having people's only exposure to the lore of 40K be TTS and meme reposts and then perpetuating the memes they've picked up as the de-facto canon gets grating after a while. I'm a fan of both the shovel memes as well as the tragedy of The Death Korps of Krieg, it's just a shame that the shovels is most of what people know them for.
I think what turned me off was when I watched a Killzone video and someone said “They were definitely inspired by the Death Korp” when referring to the Main Enemies (Helghast)
I don’t know why but that pisses me off
“DeY gERmUN ENspIReD EN SpAce!” Is not something original to Death Korps, they aren’t even inspired by the same Time Period!
Man I loved the Helghast. Probably one of my favorite depictions of humanity in a Sci-fi game.
Also, that youtuber sounds very smooth brained.
@@MoaRider It was a commenter, a reply to that comment was even more smooth meme brain because he said “Just make the Krieg have red glowing eyes and there the same!”
I Always thought that they were inspired by jinro more than krieg
@@sportyeight7769 I can definitely see that.
Regardless, both the Helghast and the Kerberos Panzer Cops are dripped out to hell and back.
@@sportyeight7769 At least there the two are actually inspired by the same kind of Germans and even then, it’s sort of a stretch especially if you learn the design choice and reason why they were made like how they were.
It’s like comparing the Lion King to Kimba the White Lion, go beyond appearances and you’ll realize that there are quite a few differences
personally more a fan of the Armageddon Steel Legion as the greatcoat and gasmask lads because of the mechanized warfare approach but Kreig is cool and yes i like how it should be seen as an amalgamation of all of ww1 aesthetics.
also i would think that Tau would also have the advantage with their stealth and their battlesuits jumpyness to also outmaneuver Kreig lines like the can Eldar. at least using stealth to cause serious disruption behind the trenches enough to make the main force break through
One small note, in the krieg book it told that the nukes that he use were warp infuse nukes. They were considered so powerful that the main krieg guy and the tech preist theorized that the Big E purposely hid them away cause they were considered to dangorous. The main krieg did warn the rebels to surrender or he will destroy them all and proceed to do so when they refuse.
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Once I read a bit more about how France was defeated in early WW2, I stopped summing it up as “the Germans went around the Maginot Line” and started saying “the Belgians dismantled half of France’s defenses in a burst of stupidity after the Allied betrayal of Czechoslovakia, which let the Germans march through all but unopposed.”
Thanks for using my Garry’s mod picture (9:11) “Death Korps of Krieg “ in your video. Really appreciate you having it. Feel free to use other pictures from my Deviantart for future videos.
I simultaneously nourish and cherish those 3 interpretations of Krieg with great joy.
Thanks for bringing up that Krieg isn't based off only ww1 Germany (emphasis on ONLY), It seems a lot of people who took a middle school history class and fell in love with anything German from the world wars because they are rebellious and begin idolizing their personal head cannon version of Germany come to warhammer and latch onto kreig and then only focus on the German inspiration.
One oversighted aspect: DKoK are Siege regiements. Not Defensive Regiments. They assault, they attack, they move.
Making trentches and concrete bunkers are just standard pasttime while officers decide when to flood the enemy, storm and exploit.
On the Shovel meme: It was actually a ‘trend’ at least in the German army to use shovels and Granades when storming trenches, cause shovels where easier to remove after killing someone (leaving less time for your enemy to shoot you, whilst you try to figure out how to get your bayonet out off the other guys rib cage)
So at least there is some real life pendent for the meme (although it is grossly overdone)
It was also for France, idk bout england but wouldnlt be surprised, no general knew that much bout trenches warfare so soldiers from all side kinda ended up having to improvise and found out that shovels were better than bayonets
In reference to the Necrons beating Krieg, that actually happens in the novel "Dead Men Walking."
Spoilers ahead for the novel:
An Imperial mining world is revealed to be a slowly awakening tomb world, and its PDF are all but massacred. The nearest Imperial force is a regiment of Krieg on leave, who swiftly arrive and begin their usual tricks of turning whole city blocks into rubble, and digging huge-ass defense lines.
As it turns out, the Necrons are better at attrition warfare than the Kriegers, who, while inflicting some casualties with melta and plasma, are slowly whittled away before retreating and abandoning the planet to its fate.
I thought they abandoned it because the locals revolted against the krieg regiment so they just left them to their fate
@@ln7929 I thought it was both
@@MisterSpoon69 it was both but when they fough necrons again they were better after this confrontation
@@Botinfinit Gotta hand it to the Krieg. Not many guardsmen can go two rounds with the necrons and pull out a win.
@@MisterSpoon69 they survived,overcome and adapted
I've always saw the shovel meme as more about how the Kriegers are always working. that while not standing guard or actively shooting at enemies, they are expanding the trench network with their shovels, and if enemies broke their line and got into the trench at that time, you'd wack em with the shovel.
You gotta look at Kreig like this, they get the job with the exact amount of dead guard that it would take to win.
Fun little fact about the name of the planet, in the new krieg book they actually make mention of how they all knew that the world's name Krieg literally meant war, and at least prior to the civil war they all thought it was a bit weird how their world's name was essentially war in another language inspite of them having been in a long ass age of peace. If you ever do more of these videos please do one on the Tallarn desert raiders. I fuckin love those guys and how they got virus bombed by the iron warriors and simply did not care and baited the iron warriors to mass deploying everything from titans to legions to try and wipe them out, before they gave up and gave Tallarn the dub.
I think the thing I find most funny is that the source material for this fan favorite faction is about as expensive as the whole army now. Good luck getting an imperial armor book nowadays.
But yeah, I think and and a lot of other people's adoration for the kriegers is just the fact that their schtick is so perfect for the setting. 40k is already a setting with grimdark shit like small Tyranids and Gretchen being used to clog weapons batteries with their bodies.
Then the boys from krieg come in and march unfazed into machine gun lines. The idea of that level of fanaticism/ disregard for ones life is hilarious. Like immediately your brain goes, ok what's the worst big ugly monstrous thing that would make even a space marine piss himself, now throw some death korps at it and watch the big ugly start cowering in fear. Like that's the kinda thing krieg inspires, in a way because it's an infinite tide you can bloodlet on the enemies it suddenly lightens the tone of things.
Also subterranean tunnel fighting is just too cool.
the tunnel warefare sounds really cool like imagine on table top giant tunnels (roof of course) snaking in and around each other large enough to fit leman russ tanks through with engineers and infantry men backing them up would be a new experience since its so restricting yet open
god finally a non lore post about the krieg that isnt just "HAHA FUNNY SHOVEL" or well... yknow, those OTHER krieg fans
watching your sub count climb has been dank dude, best 40k channel
Agreed. Pancreasnowork and Alphabusa are the twin heads of 40k TH-cam
Necrons can also just pop up behind their fortifications like the Eldar as they are the most adept at telaportation. They can even telaport away as soon as they adjust their forces to attack from another unexpected angle
The Death Korp is a tragedy. They are Child soldiers. Just that. They have their innocence and infancy robbed and turned into weapons.
Exactly. They're nothing but pitiable. It's not admirable to be forced into the cruelest situation imaginable at like 16, and being forced into the most horrifying version of the very harmful "be a man" slogan. It's just sad and depressing.
I can honestly say I have never ran into a 40k fan that doesn't love the death korps
Now you have
still find the idea funny that the Deathkorp is just a fungus like the Orks that just comes with the Pillbox material.
just build the first trench, put a pillbox near or on it, sow your Deathkorps seed in it and wait a few days. voila there is your trench network build and filled with soldiers.
Artillery fire = A video ending without a cutoff.
I compleated your metaphor, like Phyrexia on Mirrodin.
Neat how everyone looks at them like door mats.
Aaaah my fav german space empire. The only place where a Stahlhelm is stil acceptable.
Lol, I like how Krieg from Borderlands is listed as a "Movie Character" at 3:55
Well well,he is now a movie character.A bad movie
Good point about the suicide thing, I always wonderred why kriegsbois are supposedly almost suicidal when their specialty is attrition warfare. Winning in attrition requires you to minimize losses to outtrade the enemy. The part about being unbreakable, fighting to the last however fits quite well here.
they arent truly "suicidal" but they are more on holding the line until the last man since krieg spends bodies than wastes them
This man really likes his FTL music, understandable
The best way to describe The Death Korp of Krieg is they have a culture of sacrifice not suicide
I knew this channel would blow up! I am so happy I could watch it grow and it's only getting bigger.
13:47 Apparently other guardsmen dislike the Kriegsman, because their almost suicidal attitude disturbs them.
that should be expected but i feel like most would just treat them as regular regiments
Krieg is that type of thing where you love the thing, but hate the fans.
Also I think their main advantage is the morale aspect. These people demand the most inhospitable warzones, ones where other guard regiments would suffer morale issues because they know that's their strength. Also they are calculative to the point where they'll actively sacrifice themselves to allow other regiments to retreat first instead of going hand in hand, if the other regiment is considered in some way better. A Cadian is better at killing the Emperor's enemies than I, a humble Kriegsman, thus if I die, and this Cadian can retreat and fight another day there will be a sum total more dead xenos and or heretics in the galaxy than if it was switched, so obviously I'll just let them go first. The Krieg guardsmen are practically regarded and expended with same consideration as ammunition or the equipment they wear, and they all agree that this makes perfect sense.
Really enjoyed the lore video you should do more of them!
I quite enjoy krieg as I have a deep interest in the ww1 style of trench warfare, and how complex and advanced it got by the time 1917 rolled around and the entente started to make moves on The Germans, and krieg embodies this perfectly and I love them for it.
Btw, krieg guardsmen using shovels as a primary weapon isn’t as far fetched as it sounds. If a krieg regiment is engaging in trench warfare with say traitor guard , once krieg troops reach the enemy trenches, the conditions become less than ideal for a lasgun + bayonet combo, due to the cramped conditions one finds in a trench. A shovel (entrenching tool) is a very handy improvised melee weapon that’s more suited for the brutal, close up fighting in trenches due to its size and ability to still mess someone up, in WW1 for example, when both sides sent parties to raid the opponents trenches, they often left behind their rifles and went with revolvers and improvised melee weapons such as maces or shovels, much easier to swing a shovel than a rifle/bayonet combo. Oh and later on the Germans used SMG’s in their stormtrooper units due to their compact size
Krieg the third most 40k thing in 40k.
1:07 I feel like you might actually like the story of the Severan dominate then it doesn't actually have that much to do with chaos and the only alien factions involved or works and the dark eldar slightly.
But the idea of human tragedy that doesn't directly just go into chaos is a compelling idea although I don't think another regiment should be made
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i love the age of mythology background music i honestly grew up whit that game
That Sabaton sound bite tho
Stormtroopers is great
7:30 finally someone else sees them not only as Germany ww1 but as mix of French German uniforms and tactics
I will say some of these armies are more neutral to me, even matches where it comes down to the forces at play more so then anything else. The 4 I can think of are Tyranid, Iron Warrior, Nurgle, and Necrons.
Tyranid: While the hive mind can adapt it does rely a large amount on large wave charges, something the Kriegsmen will be able to deal with more easily. If they try to burrow under the trenches, the Kriegsmen got Engineers who specialize in that warfare as well with specialist gas bombs, something the nids tend to not like. I'd say it comes down to if the Tyranids figure out a plan fast enough before Krieg does enough damage.
Iron Warriors: Both masters of this type of warfare, I firmly say it's down to whose ready first. Krieg may have numbers, but as a handful of Iron Warriors showed on Vraks, that doesn't mean shit to them. Then again the Iron Warriors didn't go on the attack and were being whittled down faster then they could Krieg so it's even to me.
Nurgle: Again, 2 masters of Attrition. Nurgle has some tougher guys but their slower speed means the Korps artillery is gonna be useful. Of course Nurgle could beat them but they'd need stronger plagues and gas then usual to beat guys specialty trained and suited to contaminated areas. Again, 2 masters of that type of warfare, it's down to the forces at play. Nurgle did well enough on Vraks but again, didn't stop them nor were they really destroyed.
Necrons: I think you see a theme here. Attrition warfare. There is a major battle of Krieg vs. Necrons that Krieg almost won till the populace turned on Krieg for being too harsh. But, that regiment was redeploing elsewhere and I don't think at full strength so maybe a little more krieg power would have won and sealed them, I don't know. What I do know is it's 2 armies of vast, fearless warriors, one with better tech, the other who can outnumber and a bit more outmanuver.
Man i really like your style definitely looking forward to more! The Stormcast Eternals video got me super interested in age of sigmar too.
Meanwhile world eaters codex : Helo
You : NOOOOOOO
Endless rage towards it that would make Khorne tremble is what I feel
@@pancreasnowork9939 khorne: good feel the rage
4:20 i just started vibing to that age of mythology ost, brought so many memories
The Krieg are my favorite Imperial Guard faction. If I actually played the Tabletop, they'd be the army I'd actually collect.
When that Deathwing game comes out. I hope there is a Krieg sub class.
Well uh... Good luck collecting Kriegsmen, one of the most expensive ones out there
krieg subclass would be more badass than its original "body" or regiment because i dont think krieg would allow any "sub-class" be weaker than its original regiment atleast be on par
@@staringgasmask 3D printing:
Kriegsman: "You can't scare me, because I'm not afraid of death!"
Night Lords: "Ever hear of the Screaming Gallery? You look like a fine addition."
As a tau fan I cry because you have done all the miner Imperial factions but not the tau
Dude same.
I want Pancreas to roast my favorite little blueberries.
@@MoaRider More now that I know it won't be the same "Hur DuR VlUe KomMiEz nO MeLeE" shit everyone regurgitates over and over again
Talking about krieg, I particuraly enjoyed a scene in „Dead men walking” when a DK officer (i think, been some time since ive read it) was a bit dissapointed/saddened that the comissar he once worked with didn’t recognize him
I like you so much that I even watched the commercial. Now that is love.
7:59 uhmm uhmmm ackshuwally WWI soldiers preferred the shovel to the bayonet because the bayonets tended to get stuck in the enemy's now-corpse whereas the shovels did not
I took me quite a while to realize that their helmets might be a combination of the 2 most drippy helmets in WW1, the Stanhelm and the Adrian helmet
Although i like the Pikehelbe more than both of them
I have come back to this video for one reason and one reason alone. Soon enough, it will no longer take several grand to make an army
Finally someone says it. So much more French in appearance, especially their guns.
Even in mindset despite the french reputation if you look at the battle of the Somme or even Dunkirk (not the british movie with the boys band actor but the actual facts) the french soldiers were pretty reluctant and were known to old on aggainst pretty bad odd (to go back to dunkirk a german general reported that even tho they outnumbered the french 5 to 1, after the british fleed, they were still holding on strong)
Seeing the costs of Krieg models is… depressing.
Like, I decided to make an almost entirely Calvary Guard force, Lord Solar leading Attilans and Krieg officers leading death riders…
*_AND THEN I SAW THE PRICE_*
I really enjoy the Death Korps. However I look at the Catachan jungle fighters who are ultra chads. Do the Korp have a Sly Marbo? No this is why they are better
I think SODAZ made a good video displaying Death Korps of Krieg before it was removed. I have never played TT Warhammer but I geek out at the stories, Lore, Novels and Audiobooks. I think these guys are neat. They consider wearing '2 skins', they Advance in step of a Space Marine (As the meme goes) to keep THEM safe, They relish and celebrate being surrounded purely because they 'REEEEEE' out of excitement that they may shoot in every direction.
The trench tool wielding just adds to their 'Trench Warfare' style.
I love this kind of Lore.
You should read Dead Man Walking, its about a hive world which gets defended by krieg against a necron awakening. Really emphasizes the situation of the normal people and shows that the death korps aren't just masturbating over trenches all the time.
Also robot bois > space elfs
Small point outs, the lasgun utilized by krieg is a pattern that only 15 shots in its capacity but with a few shots can put down a apace marine, burning through the cerimite armor. Unsupported death korps of krieg detachments, not full regiments but small units were able to counter traitor marine forces when encountered, most likely at great cost; it is humans against space marines still after all, but they ended up winning engagements.
In relation to the necrons, yeah a fully awakened or even partially awakened tomb world would be a tough battle, however oddly enough the Krieg have actually beaten the Necrons in attrition warfare, and almost blew up a dormant tomb with a nuke. What stopped the kriegsmen was the local populous ambushing the transport team because they were tired of the kriegs way of fighting (that being casualties are acceptance during battle, be it soldier or civilian) and had also begun worshipping the necrons. With vraks around the corner the fight against the necrons was abandoned as no more losses were acceptable on this world.
Krieg battle doctrine is to spend lives as needed, they excel in attrition style warfare, be it as attackers or defenders, but they're not good at the other forms of fighting. That's why there is so many types of regimens with many being specialized for types of war, types of environments, or both.
I love the kriegsmen, they have there ups and their downs, but all in all when people actually look at them and their philosophy, the Death Korps of Krieg are an effective and efficient fighting force, undeterred by even the worst the galaxy can throw at them, they understand the pice a victory can be, but pay it with tactics, strategies, and equipment that see to it that victory is won no matter how many troops die.
The most interesting thing though is how much trust the Imperium bureaucracy actually has in the Death Korps, as they are one of the few units in the Imperium that are allowed to employ combined arms tactics.
tbh i think krieg is one of the more badass regiments out there but if they were given a bit more humanity i think alot of people would actually love working with them because they fight more efficently than most regiments
Can't help but notice you didn't mention the fact that they dont have traditional names and only end up with a designated number.
You know to make administration easier.
To be fair by the time WW1 happened the french high command thought that the 1800's forts and fortifications were absolete so they moved out most of the heavy guns and soldiers from them to the trenches....the irony of this is that when the Verdun offensive began the germans practically melted the trenches which were 2-3 metres deep to a flat ground with their artillery, whereas the old forts escaped without a scratch.
This is in fact the sixth video on these great trench bastards
Nah man I’m pretty sure they are a fungus. Was gardening and dug a trench for some roses and boom, Kriegsman rushed me. Two seconds later my garden had been turned into an artillery battery platform. Can’t have crap in the imperium
Everyone knows the shovel is but a secondary weapon. The true kriegsmans primary weapon is of course the glorious bayonet XD