TM30 in Thailand: Does the Landlord or the Tenant Need to File?

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[@glennbentley4226]

I rented two condo's , the Thai owners that spoke little english were clueless of the TM30 form , when l went to the immigration for my 90 report while renting the first condo my 90 day report could not be completed until l filled out the TM30 form and payed an 800 baht fine , l rented the second condo when my next 90 day report was due and had the owner fill out the TM30 l was told at the immigration l had to return with a copy of the owners ID and house registraron , upon doing so my 90 day report was completed

[@hRt42kuo7jTtmk14]

Apparently foreigners are now being required to provide an approved TM30 document when they renew their long stay visas in Thailand. As a result, it would be interesting to know if the reporting is made via the online system if the online system then provides a digital copy of the TM30 form that a foreigner can use when applying for visa renewals? Or if the online system provides something different, or nothing at all that would probably be useful for people to know as well. And if the online system doesn’t provide a digital TM30 receipt of some sort, then it would also be useful to know what options a foreigner has to fulfill the the TM30 requirements when it comes time to renew their long stay visa (assuming their TM30 reporting was handled online by the owner of the property where they reside). Thank you for considering making a video on this topic.

[@MrRaylay]

It’s just confusing enough that any Thai Official can claim anything they want at the moment.

[@hakjaolai]

I read up on Sections 37 and 38 of the Immigration Act. In my opinion, the enabling language for TM28 is actually Paragraph 2 of Section 37 which said reporting to the competent official when there is a change in residence. The "competent official" here refers to the Immigration Police, not regular police. Paragraphs 3 and 4 of Section 37, however, talk specifically about reporting to the local police station if an alien move to a new location or travel out of province for more than 24 hours. However, Section 37 also said that this reporting is exempted for most non-immigrant visa holders. Although not written down explicitly, if you go through the different categories of non-immigrant visas, the only category that is left out from the exemption list is Non-Immigrant L-A, which is the visa for migrant workers from Myanmar, Laos, and Cambodia. So in summary Paragraph 2 is the enabling language for TM28 and Paragraphs 3 and 4 (reporting to a local police station, not immigration police) target the migrant workers.

[@kiptonanthony3362]

I'm still lost sorry......I live in Bangkok with my Thai girlfriend......the condo is rented in my thai girlfriend name....but I told the landlord to do the tm30 online for me witch the landlord did..so am I covered????

[@sanooki]

I think possessor of a dwelling means a person renting a house, not an apartment.

[@apexxxx10]

*Regarding TM 30. Does the foreigner in Monkhood require TM 30 and 90 day report*.

[@terencegraham8414]

Jesus, what a gong show.

[@giarcnella66]

Terry Graham Indeed! With millions of tourists flocking to this country each year, are they really expected to know the legality of this process before arriving... when a professional American lawyer is at most still kinda-sorta making educated guesses at its meaning??

[@IntegrityLegalThailand]

Tourists will have less of an issue with this as hotels catering to tourists are synched with the online TM30 portal and report their guests on a daily basis.

[@giarcnella66]

With respect to your legal expertise, this may be your interpretation but the form (which I assume is a legal document, otherwise it would have no consequential bearing) clearly states that the “TM.30 must be completed by the house owner.” If the form is supposed to reflect the “spirit of the law”... which suggests otherwise... then the language should be changed for consistency. As it stands, the law itself is presently ambiguous. Furthermore, filing this form cannot be an either/or obligation when several key documents are required which only the house owner can provide: 1) house registration book 2) house owner’s ID card 3) rental contract. The owner would have to provide the tenant with these, which is unlikely except in very familiar relationships, and do so within 24 hours. If the owner does not comply, which is VERY likely, it is impossible for the tenant to file. Some owners rent to “aliens” long distance (the owner lives in BKK; the tenant rents in x, y, z province). In these cases the tenant would have to “compel” the owner to comply, which the law does not dictate, and would be even more vague in legal terms. And finally, though the online filing process is barely functioning, it can only be used by owners (because of password restrictions) not tenants. In conclusion, this is a very ambiguous law that is extremely difficult for the average person to follow yet is being enforced with unlawful discretion by arbitrary injunctions.

[@peterhartmann489]

My Thai Partner is a Marathon runner and we travel quite a bit, arriving early evening in the location of the run and leaving by 10.00 the following day. This means we stay in a hotel or guest house for about 16 hours, we return to our home address within 24 hours on most occasions, do we need to file a TM30, just your opinion that's all.

[@peterhartmann489]

Thanks for the comment, most hotels or guest houses do submit a notification, how about the bit where it says more than 24 hours away from your residence

[@travelingman9763]

Im thinking no thanks to bad Farangs and some Thais who set the stage for crackdowns! 1.Have enough money 2. Have Health Insurance Actually I now hope Thailand doubles the Financial requirements! I'd love to the bad ones still in Thailand squirm some more!

[@ianezy0828]

Hi Benjamin, if I may provide my interpretation of Section 38, as follows:
Section 38 : The house - master , the owner or the possessor of the residence , or the hotel manager where the alien , receiving permission to stay temporary in the Kingdom has stayed , must notify the competent official of the Immigration Office.......
IMHO the above is stating that, if a visitor/tourist etc is staying at the residence, then the owner, house master, possessor or hotel manager must file a TM30. I don’t see this as the possessor having to file his/her own TM30 if he/she is travelling to another Province?
In this regard, my belief is that the TM 30 is for use of the above owner, possessor etc. And the TM 28 is designed to be used for the alien resident. TM28 does not appear to be strictly enforced but the 90 day report dictates your whereabouts. So, to further police your movements, the TM30 should be the responsibility of the owner, possessor, hotel manager etc. Apologies for the long winded comment which may, or may not have confused you. Cheers Ian

[@nigelforeman]

Easy really: I rent a condo in say Bangkok - If an alien family member or friend comes to stay with me I must notify immigration or my local police station using form TM30 within 24 hours. My landlord is not responsible as he has no idea I have guests. My Landlord was responsible for filing a TM30 on me 24 hours after I moved into his property. .