I am a survivor of that flight, I was 22 years old at that time. I remember it like yesterday… not something one forgets. In watching this I feel the ‘dramatization’ in the reenactment of what actually occurred wasn’t entirely accurate. I guess they did their best - just sayin’. At the time, the only testimony I gave was to the Air Canada investigators while I was in the hospital for three days. I chose not to give testimony to any press people, due to the fact the friend I was travelling with did not make it off the plane 😞 naturally I was devastated to say the least, and didn’t want to talk to any press even tho they camped in the hospital hallways, and called me (from Canada to my surprise) on the hospital room telephone line I had to keep in touch with my family in Canada. I will say this - the pilot did an incredible job factoring in the disaster and harsh reality of the situation. He did everything right in my opinion! The fact that we landed in an airport and on a runway was nothing short of miraculous. Under the circumstances it was nothing short of amazing that anyone survived! Much sadness for those who lost loved ones 😔😞🙁 At the time it felt like everyone on board was family…. there’s a feeling of we are stuck here together in the situation and my heart went out to everyone. I had helped the elderly couple sitting next to me as best I could but reality was it really went very quickly into a situation where everyone was basically on their own. No one including flight crew was in a position to do anything. We were all strapped in for an emergency landing!! I could hear coming from the cockpit “Mayday, mayday, we are coming down!” There was no request- it was more like plan NOW for our arrival as we were literally falling out of the sky and landing in record time. I always understood it to be a 12 minute decent…. from 35,000 ft elevation, so thats remarkable as normally that can take upwards of 40 minutes. The tires all blew due to the very abrupt swift landing- the second I felt the plane stop, off with my seat belt! I needed air, 12 minutes is waaay too long to control one’s breathing especially with every breath its toxic fumes. I knew the elderly couple next to me was already gone because I held the hand of the lady next to me and I could feel her hand grip lessen and fade which was horrific when there was nothing I could do to help. Heart wrenching. I was separated from my friend with many of us relocated seats as initially we were in row 13. The flight was not full so before things got too bad all rows in the front half of plane were filled. Yet all exits were used with doors opened. Those precious souls that never made it off the flight I believe were already unconscious due to the horrid toxic smoke inhalation. The plane was silent! There was no noise or active scrimmaging of anyone frantically trying to get out. I remember… it was pitch black I had to feel my way out and instinctively remained low during the process and felt no-one in my way or path on route to the front entry exit. I believe it very possible I may have been the last one out of the plane because when I got to the front entry exit - I went from seeing nothing to seeing outside and on the ground was a flight attendant looking up at me and yelled “no slide” as I jumped out of the plane completely missing the provided inflated-type slide… You see, in my mind I was expecting stairs (strange I know) but that was how I initially boarded the plane (June outside) in Dallas, Tx with stairs. And in those ‘seconds’ of me thinking, “I need air NOW and must get out” I jumped clearing the provided slide and ended up doing a forward role having a minor scrape on my shoulder from the impact of hitting the tarmac pavement which in itself was incredible that I didn’t break my shoulder or anything else! After tumbling/rolling a couple times I jumped up and ran - as I believe I heard “run” so I didn’t run too far - but then stopped, turned around to look at the plane I had just ran from … and I can’t say with absolute certainty but likely 30 seconds … as I had turned and looked at the plane - woosh! Like an inferno the fire just surged internally from front to back throughout the entire interior. With the smoke bellowing out and the outside oxygen getting inside the plane it quickly fuelled the fire… Those that had gotten out were standing there huddled on the tarmac and the head-count began. There were 23 counted. Immediately after that I and a very elderly man were the first to leave in an ambulance - My nose was bleeding and I knew I had not bumped it but while in the ambulance on oxygen I found out the blood vessels burst inside my nose which apparently can occur from lack of oxygen. The woman in this video who made a statement was right in saying that oddly anyone that did get out -had mild (if any) physical injury. I could go on with further details however, the only point I wanted to really make was the pilot in my opinion was a true hero. Of course credit is due to crew and those who had opened each exit door 👏🏻 but if it weren’t for the pilot landing this flight- no one would have survived. There truly was minimal panic, some near me I could hear were hyper-ventilating which was the worst thing to do- those of us that survived knew to control and minimize ones breathing as best you could under the circumstance which was no easy task. I flew home just 3 days later - that was tough but it was the quickest way to get back home to SK, Canada. I’ve flown countless times since. For me I still believe it’s the best way when travelling long distance... But I pray every time for safe and an uneventful flight.
thank you for sharing . agree with everything you're saying. GOD bless you, the captain, the crew and all survivors. ❤ rip to the victims and their families 🙏
My heart just shattered when the pilot spoke. God bless you and the crew for all you did too save the lives you had. You can see in his eyes he never got passed that. Prayers for you kind sir. You are loved, Amen 🙏❤🙏
The question being is why the crew are out of the aircraft and on the ground while there are still passengers on board. We were always taught crew leave last and not being the first out of the doors
Even if the plane landed a few minutes sooner at the Louisville airport, once the exits were opened the oxygen then would have still caused an explosion.
It should be mandatory that at the FIRST sign of smoke anywhere on the plane, you head for the nearest airport. Declare a mayday and drop as fast as you can. Its best to err on the side of caution. I wouldn’t be the least bit upset with the pilots or the airline for doing such a thing. Even if it turns out to be nothing.
Back in the day, when it was legal to smoke on planes, that wouldn't have been practical due to the number of small fires caused by people throwing cigarette butts into the trash. Today, yes, that is standard procedure.
Today, the protocol is to land immediately....the cabins are better light up for emergencies, the crew have personal portable breathing cylinders and masks so they can stay and find all the passengers, the crew are trained and re-assesed yearly I believe in evacuation drills & procedures, crew when flying on planes unfamiliar take a course on the planes emergency procedures as each plane design and configuration is so different - so much has changed for the better
One of the tragedies of Flight 797 was that the crew underestimated the fire due to the frequency of small trashbin fires from people smoking in the lavatories. It took years of industry and political fighting to ban smoking on planes, but we are safer for it. Without the regularly occurring small cigarette fires, crew now can treat any warning of smoke or fire as more than a minor nuisance. They are now trained to treat any instance of smoke as a potential deadly threat and take emergency action IMMEDIATELY instead of waiting for reports from the cabin crew or the FO investigating the smoke. So anyone that smokes and irritated you can't aboard a plane, please note that the law is there not just to annoy smokers.
The pilots should've taken every instance as an emergency. They became complacent because of previous occurrences, that was a violation of policy and FAA rules. With airplanes (and people's lives), you don't guess nor assume, you KNOW or you don't Know.
@archie15900 they didn't. They assumed it was a trash fire, they then assumed it was out because smoke started to clear. It wasn't until the third time as computers failed that they diverted to land. The first time the co-pilot said we need to land, that should've been enough no matter what the steward or anyone else had to say.
I think Captain Cameron and his crew did everything they could given the circumstances. Sometimes, things happen that you cannot control no matter how hard you try.
All of the second-guessing needs to stop! I'm from Kentucky, I lived in Louisville for several years, now I live in Northern Kentucky and worked in aviation at the Cincinnati / Northern Kentucky International Airport (as it's known now). Air Canada Flight 797 was already past Louisville when the emergency was declared. The crew did a heroic job of descending and landing the aircraft without stressing the airframe to its breaking point, while finding the runway through thick, toxic smoke! As tragic as the outcome was, it was near-miraculous that any lives were saved.
Well I agree, HOWEVER, the aviation industry should teach pilots how to use COMMON SENSE because many DON'T USE IT! anything taking place that looks like a danger and a threat to peoples lives should be called a MAYDAY RIGHT AWAY! ( that's a no brainer) and not act like they can handle something that looks potentially serious when NOTHING GUARANTEES THEY CAN!
@@MoonLight-zk3gm Here, here. Making excuses like you're defending a coach beset for losing a little league softball game is what should stop. This was not about losing a baseball game. While I understand that smoking situations were not unknown occurences in that day, this differed quite a bit. The circuit breakers in combination with the initial smoke should have put it into their minds that an electrical fire was a high probability; at which point they should have put that plane on the first runway they could find, while they had the ability to look out their cockpit window. And, too, the captain was criminal in my mind. He should have deployed the oxygen masks . . . damn airline policy. Had the passengers not been inhaling toxic fumes for 15+ minutes, perhaps once landed they'd have had more presence of mind to speedily exit and get EVERYONE out. Then the first officer, who should have had on an oxygen mask during that time, bales, rather than looking to help his passengers. Wow. Just saw the investigation and end. They gave awards to the captain and first officer, how horrible. Yeah, they finally got the plane on the ground, to save their own lives. It's that guy who died helping his fellow passengers who should have been 'postumously' given an award.
@aldinlee8528 I have no clue what YOU'RE talking about, I don't need to write an essay to get my point across, my point is about COMMON SENSE, when it isn't used due to EGO (thinking that one has everything under control when one really doesn't) most of the time is when catastrophe happens, mayday should have been called right away knowing there was potential danger, I believe if they would have taken that initiative right away instead of wasting time thinking they can take care of everything on their own first, everyone would have been saved, TIMING IS EVERYTHING! if you procrastinate, everything can go haywire
@aldinlee8528 well precisely thats why I said I didn't know what you were talking about with that essay you wrote, I didn't know if you were agreeing with me or not, keep it simple so it can be understandable, my point was all about common sense, I had no clue what you were talking about
My dad was a US NAVY pilot. I was a kid then and he took me to the Weeksville base in NC. He gave me flying clues that day I still remember to this. He said never fly in a one engine plane..... and when there's smoke there is fire. He never had an accident although some in his squadron did
Indeed a devastating flight. That is why "the rules are written in blood" just resonates so hard. That assumption of a cigarette fire is such a scary thought had they delayed any further.
Boy, always got to blame someone...the captian did the best he could under the circumstances. WHAT WOULD ANYONE DO IN HINDSIGHT is NOT REALITY! The crew did the BEST THEY COULD!
I've only discovered Stan Rogers' music long after his death (I myself was only about 6 months old at the time of the accident), and this episode always has me in tears.
As a kid, I would always write the registration and fin number of the airplane on the boarding card (yes they were once cards). One I still have in the stack, from 1981 or 1982 is *_C-FTLU / 720._* Chilling. Never was at ease flying in a DC-9 again after this horrific tragedy. What a terrifying event for all, and final outcome for 23 of the passengers.
There’s a fine line between hypotheses about what could have been done differently and using hindsight to say what should have been differently so i understand the petition. With the benefit of hindsight hardly any of these accidents would have the same outcome!
I'm too young to remember Stan Rogers, but fortunately his fame didn't die with him as I was introduced to his music when I binged Due South during the pandemic.
I love the crews relaxed chilled attitude 😂😂 “Yeah, ok I’ll be there in a minute”. The back of the plane is not even visible anymore and the toilet door is hot and the first officer goes, “I don’t like that’s happening” it’s a fire idiots ! They don’t get better, Land the plane asap … like, 15 minutes ago
That's not flight attendant Laura Kayama, that's the legendary Degrassi English teacher Ms. Kwon! I may be the only person in the world who is a fan of both of these extremely disparate shows, but you never know! Maybe I'll find a fellow weirdo in the comments. : )
I praise Captain Cameron for saving the passengers that ge could. At the same time I feel sorry for passengers who couldn't get off the plane and tragically lost their lives. Especially Stan Rogers.
Imagine this happening on a crowded flight in 2024. Regardless of all new enhancements, by the time you try to squeeze out of the window seat and past the armrests, and bags that are not properly stowed…idk
What I don't understand is, that the captain decided to continue the flight after the first smoke had reduced but first when it was more visible again he agreed to go down.
a few minutes wouldnt have changed much i think. maybe the flash over would have been a little less powerful, but the result would have been the same in any case. as soon as that many doors were opened and oxygen rushed in, the thing was going to blow
The crew did there job and done everything thing could! They just wanted someone to kick and to give the public a reason because they have no idea how it started and failed the investigation!!! I feel bad the the pilots and the rest of the crew!!!
What struck me was the Captains steadfast defiance on using oxygen masks, I think more people would have survived had they had those few minutes of clean air but the flip side is if they did turn on the oxygen masks would that have feed the fire causing a flash over in the air, as the fire erupted once is reached its ignition temperature on the ground supplied by the oxygen of the open cabins doors...another thought, had only 1 door been open at the very front reducing the supply of oxygen to the starved fire rather than 6 would that have brought them precious extra minutes to evacuate .... as a fire fighter, I believe it would have as it trickled in rather than came like hurricane - this scenario would be worth looking into
That, and if the fire was already inside the aircraft's structure (behind the cabin panelling), then it is also possible that smoke would have entered the oxygen system. Dropping masks could have led to an extra inlet for smoke into the cabin, besides being, as you said, a fire hazard. As for opening only one door, it would have helped, but at the same time, it might not have. Gauging by the amount of darkness inside the cabin and the fact that the passengers were all suffering from smoke inhalation, there was going to be panic, and having only one door open might have accentuated said panic. Unfortunately, the effects of passengers panicking reminds me of that Nationair aircraft crash where a fire in the wheel-well led to a fire in the cabin, and before the aircraft could land, passengers were even trying to open the doors while parts of the floor gave way (gauging by how seats and deceased passengers were later found). Of course, that flight had a far more horrific ending when the fire destroyed all the flight controls, and the aircraft simply crashed on approach with no survivors.
There is no smoke without fire thats why once there is smoke it doesn't matter where you flying look for nearest airport &land.Don't even try to find area to dump fuel,each second spend on anything else increses chance of not reaching any airport.That's what happened to SwissAir 111.Other than that members of cabin crew did a fantastic job &pilots did their best.I was taken back by pilots exiting when there were still people inside,i guess there is a point when we say'screw rules,i aint dying'sorry comrades!😂😂
12:05 ~ 5000 feet for the majority of pilots who are not using the China, Mongolia, North Korea, Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan standards. 😃
The duct tape must have given out on that AC flight. Seriously. Been on a AC plane that where the interior was pretty much duct taped together, that was over twenty years ago.
Duct tape saved Apollo 13, but that was in outer space. It doesn't help incompetent airlines that overlook obvious safety precautions. BAND-AID doesn't make enough material to cover these senseless tragedies.
@robertgary3561 Yeah, how'd that work our? What's the point of saving the plane if all the passengers have expired from smoke? The accumulated smoke and gasses are what caused the Flashover. It's better to have a clean fire, than a toxic one.
@@kewlztertc5386 "Yeah, how'd that work our?" I think it worked out pretty good, given that half the people on board survived. "What's the point of saving the plane if all the passengers have expired from smoke?" Okay, that's just idiotic. Do you even read your own posts? Twenty-three people survived. If the plane had been lost, there would have been *_ZERO_* survivors. Twenty three survivors is better than zero. "The accumulated smoke and gasses are what caused the Flashover." 🤦 It's a good thing you're not a firefighter, with that level of knowledge. Flashovers are caused by heat and oxygen, _not_ smoke and gasses, so the flashover would have been _worse_ if it had had more oxygen. "It's better to have a clean fire, than a toxic one." Technically true, all other things being equal. The thing is, all other things _wouldn't_ have been equal in a highly pressurized cabin. It's better to have a _small_ fire, even given the increased threat of toxic gasses, than to have a large one that destroys the entire plane and kills everyone.
@HiddenWindshield it's the heat and the gasses that causes a flashover. The gasses are vaporized fuel (combustibles). It's similar to charcoal. Yes all fires need oxygen, but heat fire, and air doesn't make flashivers, otherwise ovens especially those used in smelting wouldn't be safe. Circulating the air, would feed the fire, but the fire already has everything it needs. If all the air is used up then the passengers are no more. So giving the fire air is unavoidable. 23 people survived..... how many more would've had they not become incapacitated or blinded by smoke? How many would've made it if not for the flashover? I'm not advocating they open the doors, just circulate the air enough to balance fire and breathing.
@@EricJustice---10-83 because that’s not how passenger planes work. Mostly at the altitude they were at, opening any airtight door would cause an explosive decompression. An average passenger also does not have the safety knowledge of how to properly use a parachute. At that height and speed, it can be deadly. It’s far safer to land than it is to jump out.
@@EricJustice---10-83 You have 0 experience deploying, using, or landing with a parachute. You'll die a far more horrible death than whatever death (if any) awaits you in the plane. Also, have you ever seen how big they are? They are the size of the entire backrest of a seat, and weigh about twice as much. Where do you expect them to be? Because if each airplane has to have parachutes for everyone, that's hundreds of "backrests" that have to be on the airplane. It is impossible to put them in the cabin, there is no place for them there. They have to go into the cargo hold. If the parachutes are in the cargo hold, how do you expect to have access to them? It is impossible for even the crew to go down there mid flight, and there is simply no space for people to crawl, let alone walk and drag a massive parachute with them. How do you avoid panic, or get everyone readty for the jump in a timely manner? Or do so before it's too late? Getting hundreds of passangers ready for a parachute jump takes a lot of time. 200 people, at 30 seconds each, is over 1 hour and a half. By that time everyone will be either on the ground or long dead. Also, are you willing to pay the extra cost of having a parachute for each passanger, both in terms of material cost AND extra weight that the airplane has to carry in your ticket? Each parachute weighs between 15 to 20kg. A 737 has a capacity of 230 passangers, that's almost 5 extra tons of weight on an airplane that can only carry 30 tons of passangers, cargo, etc. That's a massive chunk of weight that the plane now cannot use.
I'm not sure why so many people are talking about a plane fire when this episode is about the Aloha Airlines flight that lost a giant chunk of its fuselage
@@deezkhajiit184 I'm afraid this episode is about Air Canada Flight 797 washroom incident in air and emergency landing in Cincinnati rather than the Aloha Flight you are referring to.
So let me get this straight it's okay for the pilots to breathe air that's provided but not the passenger that oxygen is also provided for? Regardless people would have been able to breathe better even if only for 20 minutes. If you ask me it's very disingenuous set the passengers are not allowed to clean air but the pilots have basically hours and hours worth of clean Air.
As was mentioned, there's the possibility that the fire would have been fed by the additional oxygen (see how quickly the fire took hold when the plane landed and the doors were opened). The pilots aren't close to the fire source, and even then, losing the pilots almost certainly guarantees everyone else will die as well...
🙏🧚♀️🦋🙏Just stopped by to apologize for the fire in the toilet. I was terribly nervous, and I just felt better after that half j. Apologies truly. I didn't mean to hurt anyone. 🙏🤟
Condolences to the families of the deceased and the loved ones. The slightly burnt Holy Bible is the reminder that the Lord is always there to save us. Praise the Lord...
Why do you narrate in English and then in foreign language for volume, speed and distances? It makes my viewing a WASTE of time. I'm NOT going to sit here and convert French to English or convert speed and distance to feet and miles per hour because it is the same trouble. Otherwise video interesting and good. No references in English ruins it. Language applies exactly same to speed and distance as words. I have to look up what papion means in French for instance butterfly. I cannot see 20m? I can see 65'-7" and forget metrics better because one has to split hairs in all measuring systems. If i say 65' exactly then that would be 19,8 meters (less accurate by the way) You narrate in English and "So Should Distance Then" is my point. You can blame man in Genesis 11-9 of the Tower of babel.
It is English. Kilometers and meters are used all over the world besides a select few, which includes English speaking countries such as the United Kingdom and Canada
I am a survivor of that flight, I was 22 years old at that time.
I remember it like yesterday… not something one forgets.
In watching this I feel the ‘dramatization’ in the reenactment of what actually occurred wasn’t entirely accurate. I guess they did their best - just sayin’.
At the time, the only testimony I gave was to the Air Canada investigators while I was in the hospital for three days. I chose not to give testimony to any press people, due to the fact the friend I was travelling with did not make it off the plane 😞 naturally I was devastated to say the least, and didn’t want to talk to any press even tho they camped in the hospital hallways, and called me (from Canada to my surprise) on the hospital room telephone line I had to keep in touch with my family in Canada.
I will say this - the pilot did an incredible job factoring in the disaster and harsh reality of the situation.
He did everything right in my opinion!
The fact that we landed in an airport and on a runway was nothing short of miraculous. Under the circumstances it was nothing short of amazing that anyone survived!
Much sadness for those who lost loved ones 😔😞🙁
At the time it felt like everyone on board was family…. there’s a feeling of we are stuck here together in the situation and my heart went out to everyone. I had helped the elderly couple sitting next to me as best I could but reality was it really went very quickly into a situation where everyone was basically on their own. No one including flight crew was in a position to do anything. We were all strapped in for an emergency landing!!
I could hear coming from the cockpit “Mayday, mayday, we are coming down!” There was no request- it was more like plan NOW for our arrival as we were literally falling out of the sky and landing in record time.
I always understood it to be a 12 minute decent…. from 35,000 ft elevation, so thats remarkable as normally that can take upwards of 40 minutes. The tires all blew due to the very abrupt swift landing- the second I felt the plane stop, off with my seat belt! I needed air, 12 minutes is waaay too long to control one’s breathing especially with every breath its toxic fumes.
I knew the elderly couple next to me was already gone because I held the hand of the lady next to me and I could feel her hand grip lessen and fade which was horrific when there was nothing I could do to help. Heart wrenching. I was separated from my friend with many of us relocated seats as initially we were in row 13. The flight was not full so before things got too bad all rows in the front half of plane were filled. Yet all exits were used with doors opened. Those precious souls that never made it off the flight I believe were already unconscious due to the horrid toxic smoke inhalation. The plane was silent! There was no noise or active scrimmaging of anyone frantically trying to get out. I remember… it was pitch black I had to feel my way out and instinctively remained low during the process and felt no-one in my way or path on route to the front entry exit.
I believe it very possible I may have been the last one out of the plane because when I got to the front entry exit - I went from seeing nothing to seeing outside and on the ground was a flight attendant looking up at me and yelled “no slide” as I jumped out of the plane completely missing the provided inflated-type slide… You see, in my mind I was expecting stairs (strange I know) but that was how I initially boarded the plane (June outside) in Dallas, Tx with stairs.
And in those ‘seconds’ of me thinking, “I need air NOW and must get out” I jumped clearing the provided slide and ended up doing a forward role having a minor scrape on my shoulder from the impact of hitting the tarmac pavement which in itself was incredible that I didn’t break my shoulder or anything else!
After tumbling/rolling a couple times I jumped up and ran - as I believe I heard “run” so I didn’t run too far - but then stopped, turned around to look at the plane I had just ran from … and I can’t say with absolute certainty but likely 30 seconds … as I had turned and looked at the plane - woosh!
Like an inferno the fire just surged internally from front to back throughout the entire interior.
With the smoke bellowing out and the outside oxygen getting inside the plane it quickly fuelled the fire…
Those that had gotten out were standing there huddled on the tarmac and the head-count began. There were 23 counted. Immediately after that I and a very elderly man were the first to leave in an ambulance -
My nose was bleeding and I knew I had not bumped it but while in the ambulance on oxygen I found out the blood vessels burst inside my nose which apparently can occur from lack of oxygen.
The woman in this video who made a statement was right in saying that oddly anyone that did get out -had mild (if any) physical injury. I could go on with further details however, the only point I wanted to really make was the pilot in my opinion was a true hero. Of course credit is due to crew and those who had opened each exit door 👏🏻 but if it weren’t for the pilot landing this flight-
no one would have survived. There truly was minimal panic, some near me I could hear were hyper-ventilating which was the worst thing to do- those of us that survived knew to control and minimize ones breathing as best you could under the circumstance which was no easy task. I flew home just 3 days later - that was tough but it was the quickest way to get back home to SK, Canada.
I’ve flown countless times since. For me I still believe it’s the best way when travelling long distance... But I pray every time for safe and an uneventful flight.
Thanks for sharing.
I’m not reading this
@carols7263 thank you for sharing your story. 🥰
Huge respect to you for sharing your story. How brave you are to have continued to fly. I'm not sure I could have done that. God Bless.
thank you for sharing . agree with everything you're saying. GOD bless you, the captain, the crew and all survivors. ❤ rip to the victims and their families 🙏
My heart just shattered when the pilot spoke. God bless you and the crew for all you did too save the lives you had. You can see in his eyes he never got passed that. Prayers for you kind sir. You are loved, Amen 🙏❤🙏
The question being is why the crew are out of the aircraft and on the ground while there are still passengers on board.
We were always taught crew leave last and not being the first out of the doors
Sad situation. Final report was easier on the crew. Ultimately the crew received a prestigious award from Canada.
Even if the plane landed a few minutes sooner at the Louisville airport, once the exits were opened the oxygen then would have still caused an explosion.
It should be mandatory that at the FIRST sign of smoke anywhere on the plane, you head for the nearest airport. Declare a mayday and drop as fast as you can. Its best to err on the side of caution. I wouldn’t be the least bit upset with the pilots or the airline for doing such a thing. Even if it turns out to be nothing.
@@JamesStreet-tp1vb For sure.
Back in the day, when it was legal to smoke on planes, that wouldn't have been practical due to the number of small fires caused by people throwing cigarette butts into the trash. Today, yes, that is standard procedure.
@@HiddenWindshield That's a good thing.
Today, the protocol is to land immediately....the cabins are better light up for emergencies, the crew have personal portable breathing cylinders and masks so they can stay and find all the passengers, the crew are trained and re-assesed yearly I believe in evacuation drills & procedures, crew when flying on planes unfamiliar take a course on the planes emergency procedures as each plane design and configuration is so different - so much has changed for the better
One of the tragedies of Flight 797 was that the crew underestimated the fire due to the frequency of small trashbin fires from people smoking in the lavatories. It took years of industry and political fighting to ban smoking on planes, but we are safer for it.
Without the regularly occurring small cigarette fires, crew now can treat any warning of smoke or fire as more than a minor nuisance. They are now trained to treat any instance of smoke as a potential deadly threat and take emergency action IMMEDIATELY instead of waiting for reports from the cabin crew or the FO investigating the smoke.
So anyone that smokes and irritated you can't aboard a plane, please note that the law is there not just to annoy smokers.
The pilots should've taken every instance as an emergency. They became complacent because of previous occurrences, that was a violation of policy and FAA rules.
With airplanes (and people's lives), you don't guess nor assume, you KNOW or you don't Know.
@@davidmiller6593 how many aircraft have crashed due to cigarette smoke? Ps I don't smoke this is a genuine question.
@@archie15900 no they did not attempt to land immediately
@archie15900 they didn't. They assumed it was a trash fire, they then assumed it was out because smoke started to clear.
It wasn't until the third time as computers failed that they diverted to land.
The first time the co-pilot said we need to land, that should've been enough no matter what the steward or anyone else had to say.
@@kevinprice4391 none
I think Captain Cameron and his crew did everything they could given the circumstances. Sometimes, things happen that you cannot control no matter how hard you try.
It wasn't the pilots fault at all, how dare them blame the pilots.
All of the second-guessing needs to stop! I'm from Kentucky, I lived in Louisville for several years, now I live in Northern Kentucky and worked in aviation at the Cincinnati / Northern Kentucky International Airport (as it's known now). Air Canada Flight 797 was already past Louisville when the emergency was declared. The crew did a heroic job of descending and landing the aircraft without stressing the airframe to its breaking point, while finding the runway through thick, toxic smoke! As tragic as the outcome was, it was near-miraculous that any lives were saved.
Well I agree, HOWEVER, the aviation industry should teach pilots how to use COMMON SENSE because many DON'T USE IT! anything taking place that looks like a danger and a threat to peoples lives should be called a MAYDAY RIGHT AWAY! ( that's a no brainer) and not act like they can handle something that looks potentially serious when NOTHING GUARANTEES THEY CAN!
@@MoonLight-zk3gm Here, here. Making excuses like you're defending a coach beset for losing a little league softball game is what should stop. This was not about losing a baseball game. While I understand that smoking situations were not unknown occurences in that day, this differed quite a bit. The circuit breakers in combination with the initial smoke should have put it into their minds that an electrical fire was a high probability; at which point they should have put that plane on the first runway they could find, while they had the ability to look out their cockpit window.
And, too, the captain was criminal in my mind. He should have deployed the oxygen masks . . . damn airline policy. Had the passengers not been inhaling toxic fumes for 15+ minutes, perhaps once landed they'd have had more presence of mind to speedily exit and get EVERYONE out.
Then the first officer, who should have had on an oxygen mask during that time, bales, rather than looking to help his passengers.
Wow. Just saw the investigation and end. They gave awards to the captain and first officer, how horrible. Yeah, they finally got the plane on the ground, to save their own lives. It's that guy who died helping his fellow passengers who should have been 'postumously' given an award.
@aldinlee8528 I have no clue what YOU'RE talking about, I don't need to write an essay to get my point across, my point is about COMMON SENSE, when it isn't used due to EGO (thinking that one has everything under control when one really doesn't) most of the time is when catastrophe happens, mayday should have been called right away knowing there was potential danger, I believe if they would have taken that initiative right away instead of wasting time thinking they can take care of everything on their own first, everyone would have been saved, TIMING IS EVERYTHING! if you procrastinate, everything can go haywire
@@MoonLight-zk3gm Dude. I was agreeing with you. Read more carefully.
@aldinlee8528 well precisely thats why I said I didn't know what you were talking about with that essay you wrote, I didn't know if you were agreeing with me or not, keep it simple so it can be understandable, my point was all about common sense, I had no clue what you were talking about
My dad was a US NAVY pilot. I was a kid then and he took me to the Weeksville base in NC. He gave me flying clues that day I still remember to this. He said never fly in a one engine plane..... and when there's smoke there is fire. He never had an accident although some in his squadron did
Indeed a devastating flight. That is why "the rules are written in blood" just resonates so hard. That assumption of a cigarette fire is such a scary thought had they delayed any further.
Boy, always got to blame someone...the captian did the best he could under the circumstances. WHAT WOULD ANYONE DO IN HINDSIGHT is NOT REALITY! The crew did the BEST THEY COULD!
I've only discovered Stan Rogers' music long after his death (I myself was only about 6 months old at the time of the accident), and this episode always has me in tears.
Outstanding work young ladies,
As a kid, I would always write the registration and fin number of the airplane on the boarding card (yes they were once cards).
One I still have in the stack, from 1981 or 1982 is *_C-FTLU / 720._* Chilling. Never was at ease flying in a DC-9 again after this horrific tragedy. What a terrifying event for all, and final outcome for 23 of the passengers.
There’s a fine line between hypotheses about what could have been done differently and using hindsight to say what should have been differently so i understand the petition. With the benefit of hindsight hardly any of these accidents would have the same outcome!
I'm too young to remember Stan Rogers, but fortunately his fame didn't die with him as I was introduced to his music when I binged Due South during the pandemic.
I can't believe they tried to blame the flight crew, unbelievable!
I only come here to say, RIP Stan Rogers, I just learned that he was one of the fatalities
I love the crews relaxed chilled attitude 😂😂 “Yeah, ok I’ll be there in a minute”. The back of the plane is not even visible anymore and the toilet door is hot and the first officer goes, “I don’t like that’s happening” it’s a fire idiots ! They don’t get better, Land the plane asap … like, 15 minutes ago
That's not flight attendant Laura Kayama, that's the legendary Degrassi English teacher Ms. Kwon!
I may be the only person in the world who is a fan of both of these extremely disparate shows, but you never know! Maybe I'll find a fellow weirdo in the comments. : )
49:25 Yes, im a man and im crying seeing this. Bro is a hero
I praise Captain Cameron for saving the passengers that ge could. At the same time I feel sorry for passengers who couldn't get off the plane and tragically lost their lives. Especially Stan Rogers.
Imagine this happening on a crowded flight in 2024. Regardless of all new enhancements, by the time you try to squeeze out of the window seat and past the armrests, and bags that are not properly stowed…idk
What I don't understand is, that the captain decided to continue the flight after the first smoke had reduced but first when it was more visible again he agreed to go down.
Whoever advised the captain that the fire is ok and under control.
camera man never dies💀
no... they are referencing it
Wow! That would be just devastating to know that you could have possibly caused a fire by accident.
a few minutes wouldnt have changed much i think. maybe the flash over would have been a little less powerful, but the result would have been the same in any case. as soon as that many doors were opened and oxygen rushed in, the thing was going to blow
Perhaps I'm missing something but couldnt they use the overhead passenger oxygen (the drop down masks) or the 4 tanks of extra oxygen?
Is there not a valve or something to air out the cabin.
The crew did there job and done everything thing could! They just wanted someone to kick and to give the public a reason because they have no idea how it started and failed the investigation!!! I feel bad the the pilots and the rest of the crew!!!
What struck me was the Captains steadfast defiance on using oxygen masks, I think more people would have survived had they had those few minutes of clean air but the flip side is if they did turn on the oxygen masks would that have feed the fire causing a flash over in the air, as the fire erupted once is reached its ignition temperature on the ground supplied by the oxygen of the open cabins doors...another thought, had only 1 door been open at the very front reducing the supply of oxygen to the starved fire rather than 6 would that have brought them precious extra minutes to evacuate .... as a fire fighter, I believe it would have as it trickled in rather than came like hurricane - this scenario would be worth looking into
That, and if the fire was already inside the aircraft's structure (behind the cabin panelling), then it is also possible that smoke would have entered the oxygen system. Dropping masks could have led to an extra inlet for smoke into the cabin, besides being, as you said, a fire hazard.
As for opening only one door, it would have helped, but at the same time, it might not have. Gauging by the amount of darkness inside the cabin and the fact that the passengers were all suffering from smoke inhalation, there was going to be panic, and having only one door open might have accentuated said panic.
Unfortunately, the effects of passengers panicking reminds me of that Nationair aircraft crash where a fire in the wheel-well led to a fire in the cabin, and before the aircraft could land, passengers were even trying to open the doors while parts of the floor gave way (gauging by how seats and deceased passengers were later found). Of course, that flight had a far more horrific ending when the fire destroyed all the flight controls, and the aircraft simply crashed on approach with no survivors.
Ìm surprised no one used their blanket to cover their face to lessen smoke inhalation
Poor passengers even after landing they couldn’t see the exit 🥲
Now the epa has gotten rid of Halon. Most is gone and it’s almost impossible to find.
I feel so bad for the family’s😞
There is no smoke without fire thats why once there is smoke it doesn't matter where you flying look for nearest airport &land.Don't even try to find area to dump fuel,each second spend on anything else increses chance of not reaching any airport.That's what happened to SwissAir 111.Other than that members of cabin crew did a fantastic job &pilots did their best.I was taken back by pilots exiting when there were still people inside,i guess there is a point when we say'screw rules,i aint dying'sorry comrades!😂😂
HOLY CRAP!
Your comments might have been funny if not attached to a video where over 20 people were killed.
23 to be exact
12:05 ~ 5000 feet for the majority of pilots who are not using the China, Mongolia, North Korea, Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan standards. 😃
Umm, why are you blaming the pilot NTSB. The airline didn't equip or train them and he didn't cause the fire and you still blame him! Have symphony!
The duct tape must have given out on that AC flight. Seriously. Been on a AC plane that where the interior was pretty much duct taped together, that was over twenty years ago.
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Duct tape saved Apollo 13, but that was in outer space. It doesn't help incompetent airlines that overlook obvious safety precautions. BAND-AID doesn't make enough material to cover these senseless tragedies.
Zap Zap Zap ⚡️
This was frustrating, why did they take so long to act?
definitely a sh!tty situation
Why not firefighter enter the hose inside the plane and spray water
Okay so we know the 737 crashes every time but now we will know bc of this prediction that the 797 will catch on fire every time it flies.
Zazur airplane ✈️
Toilet fire? Dang that must've been some Taco Bell 🤣
Not funny. People fucking died.
@@ChaseCritch yes 'twas an ill-thought comment based on the headline before I even started watching the video 😕
The toilet flushing motor “overeats” 😅😅😅
60 years of DC-9 in 2025.
Couldn't they have inxreased the cabin pressure to rapidly circulate the air?
Cabin pressure comes from the engines thats fresh air.
@@kewlztertc5386 oxygen feeds the fire
more air = fire burns faster and hotter
@robertgary3561 Yeah, how'd that work our?
What's the point of saving the plane if all the passengers have expired from smoke?
The accumulated smoke and gasses are what caused the Flashover.
It's better to have a clean fire, than a toxic one.
@@kewlztertc5386 "Yeah, how'd that work our?" I think it worked out pretty good, given that half the people on board survived.
"What's the point of saving the plane if all the passengers have expired from smoke?" Okay, that's just idiotic. Do you even read your own posts? Twenty-three people survived. If the plane had been lost, there would have been *_ZERO_* survivors. Twenty three survivors is better than zero.
"The accumulated smoke and gasses are what caused the Flashover." 🤦 It's a good thing you're not a firefighter, with that level of knowledge. Flashovers are caused by heat and oxygen, _not_ smoke and gasses, so the flashover would have been _worse_ if it had had more oxygen.
"It's better to have a clean fire, than a toxic one." Technically true, all other things being equal. The thing is, all other things _wouldn't_ have been equal in a highly pressurized cabin. It's better to have a _small_ fire, even given the increased threat of toxic gasses, than to have a large one that destroys the entire plane and kills everyone.
@HiddenWindshield it's the heat and the gasses that causes a flashover. The gasses are vaporized fuel (combustibles). It's similar to charcoal. Yes all fires need oxygen, but heat fire, and air doesn't make flashivers, otherwise ovens especially those used in smelting wouldn't be safe.
Circulating the air, would feed the fire, but the fire already has everything it needs. If all the air is used up then the passengers are no more. So giving the fire air is unavoidable.
23 people survived..... how many more would've had they not become incapacitated or blinded by smoke? How many would've made it if not for the flashover?
I'm not advocating they open the doors, just circulate the air enough to balance fire and breathing.
why won't the airlines put parachutes on their planes for ppl who wanna bail out? once they get it down to 10,000ft, open the back n let me out!
@@EricJustice---10-83 because that’s not how passenger planes work. Mostly at the altitude they were at, opening any airtight door would cause an explosive decompression. An average passenger also does not have the safety knowledge of how to properly use a parachute. At that height and speed, it can be deadly. It’s far safer to land than it is to jump out.
@@whisperingwind4455 that's why i said at 10,000ft. explosive decompression at 10,000ft? lol
@@EricJustice---10-83 You have 0 experience deploying, using, or landing with a parachute. You'll die a far more horrible death than whatever death (if any) awaits you in the plane.
Also, have you ever seen how big they are? They are the size of the entire backrest of a seat, and weigh about twice as much.
Where do you expect them to be? Because if each airplane has to have parachutes for everyone, that's hundreds of "backrests" that have to be on the airplane. It is impossible to put them in the cabin, there is no place for them there. They have to go into the cargo hold.
If the parachutes are in the cargo hold, how do you expect to have access to them? It is impossible for even the crew to go down there mid flight, and there is simply no space for people to crawl, let alone walk and drag a massive parachute with them. How do you avoid panic, or get everyone readty for the jump in a timely manner? Or do so before it's too late? Getting hundreds of passangers ready for a parachute jump takes a lot of time. 200 people, at 30 seconds each, is over 1 hour and a half. By that time everyone will be either on the ground or long dead.
Also, are you willing to pay the extra cost of having a parachute for each passanger, both in terms of material cost AND extra weight that the airplane has to carry in your ticket? Each parachute weighs between 15 to 20kg. A 737 has a capacity of 230 passangers, that's almost 5 extra tons of weight on an airplane that can only carry 30 tons of passangers, cargo, etc. That's a massive chunk of weight that the plane now cannot use.
Survivors 23
I'm not sure why so many people are talking about a plane fire when this episode is about the Aloha Airlines flight that lost a giant chunk of its fuselage
this happened to me once, it’s just a glitch ! reclick on the video and it should work.
@@deezkhajiit184 I'm afraid this episode is about Air Canada Flight 797 washroom incident in air and emergency landing in Cincinnati rather than the Aloha Flight you are referring to.
I thought the stewards were be the last ones out ,the passenger's first , guess not
Christian: Thank you Jesus for helping the airplane for emergency landing!
@@danielmartinez2637 hmm?
Didn't help the ones that died right?
@@vaporazeen I went to USA on American Airlines in the early 1990s.
Are u mocking Christians? 🤦🏽♀️
48:12 oh yeah God was with you, screw the other 28 humans.
So let me get this straight it's okay for the pilots to breathe air that's provided but not the passenger that oxygen is also provided for? Regardless people would have been able to breathe better even if only for 20 minutes. If you ask me it's very disingenuous set the passengers are not allowed to clean air but the pilots have basically hours and hours worth of clean Air.
As was mentioned, there's the possibility that the fire would have been fed by the additional oxygen (see how quickly the fire took hold when the plane landed and the doors were opened). The pilots aren't close to the fire source, and even then, losing the pilots almost certainly guarantees everyone else will die as well...
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🙏🧚♀️🦋🙏Just stopped by to apologize for the fire in the toilet. I was terribly nervous, and I just felt better after that half j. Apologies truly. I didn't mean to hurt anyone. 🙏🤟
Hey they received training on how to handle the problem after 28 people died. Hmmmmm why not train sooner and save lives??
6th
Taco Bell was never charged with involuntary manslaughter…..
What was Taco Bell all about?
T-Bell is protected by Monsantos. Its how they dispose of the puppies, kittens and bunnies that they test their chemicals on and still make money
@@lesliecarr312 the destruction of that toilet.
That would definitely do it.😳
@@joeylamuel5828 indeed
talk about having a crappy day. imagine dying and God tells u that u died by way of toilet fire. what tha heck!
Eh, another, another, another repost, but, meh gives me something to not watch
I’m 4th!!!!!
4 is my favorite number
4 is my favorite number
3 is my favorite
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Do not eat Taco Bell mixed with chipotle and with the one chip challenge
I’m third
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That Taco Bell must've had a buffet
Hey lady, cool that God protected you and your Bible. Too bad he didn't care about 23 other humans dying.
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No you're not
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Condolences to the families of the deceased and the loved ones. The slightly burnt Holy Bible is the reminder that the Lord is always there to save us. Praise the Lord...
Why do you narrate in English and then in foreign language for volume, speed and distances? It makes my viewing a WASTE of time. I'm NOT going to sit here and convert French to English or convert speed and distance to feet and miles per hour because it is the same trouble. Otherwise video interesting and good. No references in English ruins it. Language applies exactly same to speed and distance as words. I have to look up what papion means in French for instance butterfly. I cannot see 20m? I can see 65'-7" and forget metrics better because one has to split hairs in all measuring systems. If i say 65' exactly then that would be 19,8 meters (less accurate by the way) You narrate in English and "So Should Distance Then" is my point. You can blame man in Genesis 11-9 of the Tower of babel.
It is English. Kilometers and meters are used all over the world besides a select few, which includes English speaking countries such as the United Kingdom and Canada
A meter is about a yard. Quit crying, this is the Canadian version of the show so they're going to use metric.
Guess "god" didn't feel like protecting everyone that day
The guy shouldn't have eaten Taco Bell.
That must have been one aggressive sh!t 🫢💩. What do you guys think someone ate to cause the motor to over heat and the breakers to pop?
I bet they smoked and ate a huge amount of food like 50 pounds and went there and caused this
Possibly well it’s Americas fault for allowing smoking so probably not
@@Sewinglake767This was Air Canada. Not American based airline
The dump was beyond aggressive!
It was angry and demanded revenge on the toilet
It was beyond aggressive dump!
It was angry and demanded toilet retribution