David's passing hit me strangely because I didn't know him at all except through his books; an unjust loss like some wonderful archeological site destroyed before it could be fully uncovered but 100 times worse because it's a living person. He was one of the most original thinkers I've ever read (not just of his generation). I also loved what I could see of his character. Lost potential of anyone who dies too early is a tragedy, but for him it was very obvious what kind of potential that was. I can't really believe how hard it must be for the people who really knew him and loved him.
Yes, I also found out about David Graeber from books. I’m still grieving. But I’m also extremely grateful that David Graeber finished his part of work on the Dawn of Everything. I don’t know what I would’ve done if it wasn’t published. I had been waiting for it since finishing Bullshit Jobs, and read all the introductory articles, watched all the lectures. David Wengrow did amazing job of finalizing the work, promoting it and responding to the criticisms.
It's so beautiful that's y'all got a memorial lecture for David Graeber. I love that David Wengrow is giving it too. The two David's are legit legendary.
I was late to the game, I heard about the dawn of everything a couple of month ago. I went to the bookshop on thirsday to kill time . By a strange coincidence I bought "thus spoke Zarathustra " and "the dawn of everything " together then was so baffled by the first two chapters that I wanted to hear more about Wengrow and come across this video...
@@MrPicoli For me, David Graeber is one of the most outstanding scholars in humanity today whose cognition is neck to neck with Nietzsche, though their tastes and preferences differ sharply.
Thanks for this lecture/discussion! Beautiful to see the faces of people working for a radically better world. Gives me hope and brings me tears of joy:)
So sad I missed this; mixed up the dates. But David and David have inspired me to make concrete efforts in my own life and community to allow people to claim those three freedoms again. That's a powerful legacy already. Here's to a future with liberated imaginations. Cheers to the David's!
David Wengrow's lecture on 3rd Anniversary of David Graeber's death, was absolutely brilliant!! I did have a question in mind but left it too late because there were such good comments/ questions from the participants starting with Ayça Çubukçu. So I'll ask the question here in the hope that somebody can help me. Two cultural academics/activists, Ari Sitas (a South African) and Sumangala Damodaran (an Indian) have recently written a very interesting book, Maps of Sorrow:Migration and Music in the Construction of Pre-Colonial AfroAsia. As the title suggests it deals with "systems, processes and interactions that were interconnected through long-distance trade, slavery and migration" as well as the movement of music across AfroAsia that interacted with, and was transformed by, local cultures. So to the question. There are occasional references to music in Dawn, but none of these hint at the 'free' movement of musical forms in Pre-Colonial AfroAsia. Has either Graeber or Wengrow published anything on this elsewhere?
Sumerian cities were ALL fortified...and warlike in social domination. Since the beginning of recorded civilization hierarchal social organizations have been organized for war activities. And have always overpowered non-hierarchal social organizations. American Indians are an observable demonstration of his simplistic thinking...He is simply ignoring the dynamics of human nature. Someone will always organize to get what they want. And it has ALWAYS been hierarchal.
The counter examples in The Dawn of Everything go far beyond Native American examples. You'd know that if you'd read it. You'd have read it if you were interested in knowledge and not ideology. You'd be interested in knowledge and not ideology if you weren't brain washed. Read more, talk less, and god bless anyone who knows you, because anyone so entirely convinced of 'the dynamics of human nature' beginning and ending with violence must be an absolute bore to live with. Get a life!
Ha ha ha. Non-hierarchal social organization has ALWAYS, EVENTUALLY, been dominated by HIERARCHAL social organization. American Indians are a good example. None have endured. None.
RIP Graeber. Sorely missed
David's passing hit me strangely because I didn't know him at all except through his books; an unjust loss like some wonderful archeological site destroyed before it could be fully uncovered but 100 times worse because it's a living person. He was one of the most original thinkers I've ever read (not just of his generation). I also loved what I could see of his character. Lost potential of anyone who dies too early is a tragedy, but for him it was very obvious what kind of potential that was. I can't really believe how hard it must be for the people who really knew him and loved him.
Yes, I also found out about David Graeber from books. I’m still grieving. But I’m also extremely grateful that David Graeber finished his part of work on the Dawn of Everything. I don’t know what I would’ve done if it wasn’t published. I had been waiting for it since finishing Bullshit Jobs, and read all the introductory articles, watched all the lectures. David Wengrow did amazing job of finalizing the work, promoting it and responding to the criticisms.
It's so beautiful that's y'all got a memorial lecture for David Graeber. I love that David Wengrow is giving it too. The two David's are legit legendary.
Such a wonderful, thought provoking memorial lecture, David G would be smiling ♥
It’s unbelievable coincidence between The Dawn of Everything and Thus Spoke Zarathustra! Thanks so much for Prof. Wengrow’s intriguing lecture!
I was late to the game, I heard about the dawn of everything a couple of month ago. I went to the bookshop on thirsday to kill time . By a strange coincidence I bought "thus spoke Zarathustra " and "the dawn of everything " together then was so baffled by the first two chapters that I wanted to hear more about Wengrow and come across this video...
@@MrPicoli For me, David Graeber is one of the most outstanding scholars in humanity today whose cognition is neck to neck with Nietzsche, though their tastes and preferences differ sharply.
@cheapvery8811 I'm not in the league to juge, but from my point of view , Graeber as much more to offer.
Sure, he knows numerous things that Nietzsche didn’t realize.
Thanks for this lecture/discussion! Beautiful to see the faces of people working for a radically better world. Gives me hope and brings me tears of joy:)
It's a rare video talk that I'll watch twice. This is one of them good ones.
Thx.
So sad I missed this; mixed up the dates. But David and David have inspired me to make concrete efforts in my own life and community to allow people to claim those three freedoms again. That's a powerful legacy already. Here's to a future with liberated imaginations. Cheers to the David's!
David Wengrow's lecture on 3rd Anniversary of David Graeber's death, was absolutely brilliant!!
I did have a question in mind but left it too late because there were such good comments/ questions from the participants starting with Ayça Çubukçu.
So I'll ask the question here in the hope that somebody can help me.
Two cultural academics/activists, Ari Sitas (a South African) and Sumangala Damodaran (an Indian) have recently written a very interesting book, Maps of Sorrow:Migration and Music in the Construction of Pre-Colonial AfroAsia.
As the title suggests it deals with "systems, processes and interactions that were interconnected through long-distance trade, slavery and migration" as well as the movement of music across AfroAsia that interacted with, and was transformed by, local cultures.
So to the question. There are occasional references to music in Dawn, but none of these hint at the 'free' movement of musical forms in Pre-Colonial AfroAsia. Has either Graeber or Wengrow published anything on this elsewhere?
Amazing lecture by David Wengrow!
Sumerian cities were ALL fortified...and warlike in social domination. Since the beginning of recorded civilization hierarchal social organizations have been organized for war activities. And have always overpowered non-hierarchal social organizations. American Indians are an observable demonstration of his simplistic thinking...He is simply ignoring the dynamics of human nature. Someone will always organize to get what they want. And it has ALWAYS been hierarchal.
The counter examples in The Dawn of Everything go far beyond Native American examples.
You'd know that if you'd read it. You'd have read it if you were interested in knowledge and not ideology. You'd be interested in knowledge and not ideology if you weren't brain washed.
Read more, talk less, and god bless anyone who knows you, because anyone so entirely convinced of 'the dynamics of human nature' beginning and ending with violence must be an absolute bore to live with.
Get a life!
Ha ha ha. Non-hierarchal social organization has ALWAYS, EVENTUALLY, been dominated by HIERARCHAL social organization. American Indians are a good example. None have endured. None.