@@charlytaylor1748that’s next since I finished Dawn of Everything. Incredible read and now I’m supplementing it with as many talks from Wengrow and Graeber as I can find.
15:55 I've been in a few leadership roles in my day, and this was basically how I felt most comfortable leading, even before I became an anarchist. This anecdote is one of the things that always has me coming back to this video. RIP David Graeber.
The New Green History of the world by Clive Pointing, explains in great detail, the last 10,000 years of human civilisation and colonisation. And why it keeps collapsing every time...
At about 9:50 Graeber says Algonquins refused to use kayaks, and then that inuits refused to use snowshoes "[because of their grudge as neighbors]". Can someone please tell me Graeber's source for that?
Professor Steve Keen rediscovered the distinction between public and private debt, which can be analogous to the application of "moral" Gold-Silver social balance Diplomacy, and responsibility for people and property, a self in Self defining of our ecological circumstances in a "Balance of Nature" circumstance. What is Exogenous Debt? Professors of MMT Provisioning strategies suggest that Government debt is National, divided and allocated by politico-social standards, but Professor Keen has identified Bank Lending institutions as a direct Causality by inverting responsibility for ownership of governance responsibilities, ie Democracy isn't working because Financial Capitalism rules economics. All this is an accompaniment to the interpretation of the chaos of Anarchy prelude that preceeds a democratically Informed Public, David Graeber alludes to.
@@allgodsnomasters2822 foundational text, of the utmost importance. Though the anthropology in it is by now, very outdated, it's essential stance remains revolutionary and of vital concern- Graeber named a chapter in The Dawn of Everything after it.
At what point does a person or person's and or groups of person's become considered to be indigenous? I was informed once during a legal battle with an employer, who for the reason of being mandated by the government to promote the indiginious humans referred to as NATIVE AMERICAN's because I was birthed in the U.S.A. and not somewhere else, declared myself to be. And thus qualified to apply for the promotion, which is what they disagreed with. The issue was finally resolved and I did indeed get promoted, when because my employer's legal team stated that it isn't the fact that I was birthed in the U.S.A. it was based on my liniage that determines one being considered indigenious. After which I agreed and stated that I was incorrect in my regarding my self as a Native American, and wish to change it to being African American aka in the U.S.A. as black. Because if and when it depends on ones lineage, and the fact that everyone alive today lineage can be traced back to the Middle West Coast of Africa. I'm actualy African who now resides in the U.S.A.
alexander the great's curly locks vs. the beady rat eyed, straight black hairs of those living in his place of origin now. who is the indigenous person?
i suspect there's something about the syntax of the syllables 'in-di' that automatically inspires contempt. the only truly 'in-di' people were the ones that began the foundations of civilization in the first place, and the rest of humanity exists as sort of subhuman malcontents placed there intentionally as civilization's failure to rule and structure itself wanes.
What does the ideologue do when the real world does not conform to his world? Why, there must be something wrong with the real world, therefore reality is rejected in favour of the belief system. Rio Parent, you are an ideologue...
I think I have to revise my initial comment. That's neither neoliberalism nor would I now disagree with centering indigenous voices. I would like to know what about his analysis you find weak, though. It's hard to follow at points because of the audio quality, but where does it fundamentally differ from what indigenous people keep saying?
When did he romanticize indigenous people? He accurately reported that indigenous people have always been well aware and concious of different political posibilities and often structure themselves in direct opposition to them. To say otherwise implies non-indigenous people are somehow less advanced or self aware than state and non-indigenous people since they do the same thing. And he reported multiple indigenous origin myths and explicitly said that even if there's evidence against the claims that doesn't ultimately matter or negate their power. And most of his primary sources in this were either indegenous or archeological. And most of the ideas he talked about with native american cultures are supported by the vast majority of native american scholars or were proposed by native Americans but are not well accepted among most white scholars because they still seem to have it stuck in their head that indigenous people are less culturally and politically advanced and self aware as them them.
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The book with Wengrow is now out and called The Dawn of Everything. It is amazing!
I will order it. Debt was superb
@@charlytaylor1748that’s next since I finished Dawn of Everything. Incredible read and now I’m supplementing it with as many talks from Wengrow and Graeber as I can find.
15:55 I've been in a few leadership roles in my day, and this was basically how I felt most comfortable leading, even before I became an anarchist. This anecdote is one of the things that always has me coming back to this video. RIP David Graeber.
RIP, David. This man was a total badass
Hello!
I will be releasing a defense of Graeber in soon time on my channel since I am from nomadic traditions.
Thanks!
When we need to rewrite our future, first we have to rewrite our past. Thank goodness anthropologists & archeologists are on the job.
The most loathsome and precocious individuals ever
This lecture was amazing David you are sorely missed ❤️
Good talk - I wonder if Graeber has read James C. Scott's "The Art of Not Being Governed" ...
He definitely did...
Responds to it in his new book
The New Green History of the world by Clive Pointing, explains in great detail, the last 10,000 years of human civilisation and colonisation. And why it keeps collapsing every time...
At about 9:50 Graeber says Algonquins refused to use kayaks, and then that inuits refused to use snowshoes "[because of their grudge as neighbors]". Can someone please tell me Graeber's source for that?
Very enjoyable and encouraging! I honor this man’s work
Professor Steve Keen rediscovered the distinction between public and private debt, which can be analogous to the application of "moral" Gold-Silver social balance Diplomacy, and responsibility for people and property, a self in Self defining of our ecological circumstances in a "Balance of Nature" circumstance.
What is Exogenous Debt?
Professors of MMT Provisioning strategies suggest that Government debt is National, divided and allocated by politico-social standards, but Professor Keen has identified Bank Lending institutions as a direct Causality by inverting responsibility for ownership of governance responsibilities, ie Democracy isn't working because Financial Capitalism rules economics.
All this is an accompaniment to the interpretation of the chaos of Anarchy prelude that preceeds a democratically Informed Public, David Graeber alludes to.
Is there any transcription of these conference?
Anyone could figure who he is talking about around the 10.40 mark? hokin bay? can't find his name^^
The name of that guy is Hakim Bey (Peter Lamborn Wilson)
@@Arszbe Oh thank you so much
what's the book on the origin of social inequality? would love to read that.
There's Ecology of Freedom by Murray Bookchin, though it may not be what you're looking for.
It hasn't been published yet, but he was talking about The Dawn of Everything
During his research for the dawn of everything they (graeber and wengrow) realise the origin of inequality is the wrong question
The dawn of everything. It's out now
@@allgodsnomasters2822 foundational text, of the utmost importance. Though the anthropology in it is by now, very outdated, it's essential stance remains revolutionary and of vital concern- Graeber named a chapter in The Dawn of Everything after it.
some great ideas, hard to hear with the atrocious audio and his coughing. Still, a rare gem from a force for good....
stating something obvious , but bro coughing kinda started to get funny 👐
Ummm!! Ahh hail!
At what point does a person or person's and or groups of person's become considered to be indigenous? I was informed once during a legal battle with an employer, who for the reason of being mandated by the government to promote the indiginious humans referred to as NATIVE AMERICAN's because I was birthed in the U.S.A. and not somewhere else, declared myself to be. And thus qualified to apply for the promotion, which is what they disagreed with.
The issue was finally resolved and I did indeed get promoted, when because my employer's legal team stated that it isn't the fact that I was birthed in the U.S.A. it was based on my liniage that determines one being considered indigenious. After which I agreed and stated that I was incorrect in my regarding my self as a Native American, and wish to change it to being African American aka in the U.S.A. as black. Because if and when it depends on ones lineage, and the fact that everyone alive today lineage can be traced back to the Middle West Coast of Africa. I'm actualy African who now resides in the U.S.A.
alexander the great's curly locks vs. the beady rat eyed, straight black hairs of those living in his place of origin now. who is the indigenous person?
Alexander the Great was black , don't you know anything??
I’m always concerned when people describe humans as having animal features
i suspect there's something about the syntax of the syllables 'in-di' that automatically inspires contempt. the only truly 'in-di' people were the ones that began the foundations of civilization in the first place, and the rest of humanity exists as sort of subhuman malcontents placed there intentionally as civilization's failure to rule and structure itself wanes.
His analysis is weak and the way he romanticizes Indigenous people is concerning. Centre Indigenous voices and get real.
Found the neoliberal!
What does the ideologue do when the real world does not conform to his world? Why, there must be something wrong with the real world, therefore reality is rejected in favour of the belief system. Rio Parent, you are an ideologue...
rioparent+ how would you know ~he's talking pre-Indigenous if you were to move into his time frame not your lack of one
I think I have to revise my initial comment. That's neither neoliberalism nor would I now disagree with centering indigenous voices.
I would like to know what about his analysis you find weak, though. It's hard to follow at points because of the audio quality, but where does it fundamentally differ from what indigenous people keep saying?
When did he romanticize indigenous people? He accurately reported that indigenous people have always been well aware and concious of different political posibilities and often structure themselves in direct opposition to them.
To say otherwise implies non-indigenous people are somehow less advanced or self aware than state and non-indigenous people since they do the same thing.
And he reported multiple indigenous origin myths and explicitly said that even if there's evidence against the claims that doesn't ultimately matter or negate their power. And most of his primary sources in this were either indegenous or archeological.
And most of the ideas he talked about with native american cultures are supported by the vast majority of native american scholars or were proposed by native Americans but are not well accepted among most white scholars because they still seem to have it stuck in their head that indigenous people are less culturally and politically advanced and self aware as them them.