They made Narcissus such a sympathetic character, I feel like a lot of women would relate to him. He's constantly forced to be cognizant of how his behavior might convey the wrong message and has to defend his right to not love others just because they love him, and merely for his looks at that (though admittedly he doesn't have much else to him). He's absolutely right that his suitors break their own hearts, but they blame him for this anyway, and he's shamed for loving himself. It's hilarious that he talks like Napoleon Dynamite and we just see this placeholder art but his circumstances actually feel so real despite how outlandish it is.
Yeah. And honestly, probably a good thing he never went after the ones who wanted to marry him. This may sound heartless, but I’m willing to bet it would become a pretty toxic relationship, genuine love or not. And honestly, wouldn’t be shocked if they kept the placeholder: might just help show off how in love with himself he is if he thinks no one deserves to love him. Just my thoughts though.
@@CamdenKaneakaNeptunesdaughter It would be interesting also if they use the same idea as the placeholder art, where you can't really see his face, it's suggested but not revealed. I do think they're going to replace it though, it says "Beautiful flower" in his dialogue frame and I can't help but feel that his picture should include some daffodil or something as a homage to the original myth, but maybe with his face turned away or hidden because he's so sick of people harassing him as soon as they see him. It would really sell the idea that his beauty is for him, not for anyone else.
Ngl his level of self awareness is enviable. He cares about others but doesn’t “love” them, making him a completely platonic while blunt and honest font of self-love advice and reflection.
I know his sprite is a placeholder, but I kinda dig the idea that he covers himself because his beauty is like a dangerous radiation that drives anyone who sees it mad
seeing the title i was so afraid theyd just force it to become a romantic relationship, im relieved it isnt so. being a bit of a selfish prick doesn't remove someone's right to reject unwanted advances
I mean Narcissus here seems...like he's doing his own thing. Not hurting anyone - they're hurting themselves, so he says. You could weigh that against the old myths, but Hades 1 and 2 have both smudged those when they felt appropriate. As he stands, Narcissus doesn't feel ignoble, you know?
Narcissus was cursed by Nemesis for spurning a male suitor by not only telling him to get lost, but also handing him a sword and telling to…use it on himself. Which he did. So if he loved himself that much, Nemesis made sure that was all he would ever love.
@@Zelapherthe game frequently takes from several sources, I am most familiar with the story op is sharing here but wouldn't doubt there is a version where Echo is the reason. Be interesting to see how this plays out when the full game is out
I'd never actually heard this version, the way I heard it, Echo was the one who had him cursed, and it was Aphrodite who cursed him. Always interesting and cool to learn about different versions of myths!
There's a lot of brilliant work going on here, but aside from all that I can't believe I've never before seen 'Narcissus tells his reflection 'sorry man one sec this'll only take a minute' when someone walks up him" because it is very funny.
It makes sense that he only loves himself though. Everyone in his life likely only favoured him for his looks, and while I don’t doubt it gave him a massive ego, it must’ve gotten very lonely, knowing no one loved you for being you. So it makes sense why he prioritises himself, and why he’s so dismissive of his wooers. He knows why they want him, so he shuts them out and focuses on himself, the only person he can rely on to be truthful.
He doesn't act like the thing that was named after him, though. Or maybe the thing that was named after him took on other meanings and criteria. He loves only himself, but he doesn't try to take advantage of everyone else to benefit himself (at least here in Hades II). He just wants to be left alone to enjoy himself. That's honestly the best-case scenario of a real-world narcissist.
@@StarPlatinum3000 okay, I looked it up, and that’s my mistake. I assumed that the only part that mattered was the self admiration, but there are other symptoms that he doesn’t have.
I really wish we could help Echo out by removing her curse, but in order to do that, we would have to ask Hera to do that since she was the one who placed the curse on her. Unfortunately that would be even harder to do than to get Athena to remove the curse you put on Arachnia. All in all Narcissus served his fate, I just wish we could spare Echo her fate.
It would not be the first curse that we've broken- Sisyphus's bindings were broken, as was our dear bard and Eurydice's, not to mention Achillies. Melinoe has just as much, if not more, authority.
@@joemomma2189I'm not sure, considering Hades been punishing them for years, altering the contract of Sisyphus and Eurydice doesn't seem bother him much. However,the Olympus have bigger ego than Hades are, I don't think it be easy to ask them to remove it, especially those mortals they had grudge with (Athena envy of Aranche weaving skill, Hera annoyance of Echo gossiping all secrets)
@@musfirah9341 Maybe, but- the Olympian's officially have no say. As it is said- All in the Realm of Hades are of his dominion. His Authority in the Land of the Dead is absolute. So while it may prick their egos, ultimately their authority over the curses of those souls ended when they inevitably perished. At least, that is my understanding of it, I could be wrong.
Narcissus seems like the definition of a Parasocial relationship with a Asexual. People who he doesn't even know break their own hearts over him without him ever even doing anything wrong. He is allowed to love or like whoever he wants, and he doesn't like or love anyone except himself and that's ultimately ok. I dont even think the dude IS attracted to anyone, he seems complete asexual at best. And to a extent it seems like he is aware that his beauty is a weapon that he doesn't want to use so he constantly checks himself and tells people how much he doesn't like them. Ironically this ends up causing most of his problems since people take it the wrong way instead of him trying to softly let people know he isn't interested. At least in this story Narcissus isn't malicious to anyone, he's just existing and working on himself and people hated not having his attention. This really seems like a story where Nemesis really screwed up, if she wanted to truly even things, she would have taken Vengeance on the suitors for harassing Narcissus. Instead her vengeance is petty. Just a reminder that Vengeance and Justice aren't the same thing, and she is a hypocrite.
"we are each cursed with our experiences. I am nothing without mine. thank you for reflecting my thoughts and sharing your feelings echo" yes very true, this whole story is very sad, but i guess some people dont know how to love themselves and some people dont know how to love anybody except themselves
well, Narcissus used to be a huntsman till he got too vain and incurred the wrath of Nemesis, who cursed him to love himself only (origin of narcissism) from that moment on, Narcissus got upset when he couldn't make kissy faces at himself all day and gained an unhealthy obsession for reflective surfaces, he starved himself to death due to doing nothing but watching his reflections Echo was a tattle tale and she got cursed to repeat only what she heard last time, which made it difficult for her to communicate with others Echo was one of Narcissus's many fan girls (though she might be the only one that liked him for more than his looks), but Narcissus was cursed to only love himself, so he would never be able to return her feelings
Hera is the one who placed it, so she is the only one who can lift it. Which uh…… yea asking her to lift will 100% cause her to put another even worse curse on the poor nymph. In the mythology, Zeus used her to distract Hera while he did… his crimes. Or while the lover escaped from Mount Olympus, lots of regional variations. In fairness to Echo, she didn’t necessarily know why the king of the gods asked her to gossip / talk endlessly at Hera. But in response to her role as an unwittingly accomplice to his infidelity (since Hera is a victim blamer) Hera cursed Echo to only be able to repeat back the words others just said. Then Echo fell in love in Narcissus, and when she got rejected, went up into mountain / canyon cave and waited away till only her voice remained and became part of the mountains. Basically her story is the Ancient Greek explanation for why echos happen. TL;DR is Mel can’t lift it, or convince Hera to lift it. But there is a work around- the curse is on her voice, so she could write out her thoughts to share them.
I believe Narsissus got curse bc one suitor said they gonna kill themselve for him and he fed up with they so they said then do it and they did or something about his suitor kill themselve bc he reject them
he got cursed because after a suitor who knew him for a while confessed to him, he found it so pathetic he threw a knife at him and told the guy to kill himself, which he did. he did stuff like this regularly to his suitors and was super spiteful with them, this led to nemesis getting cursed.
Isn't it ironic that Narcissus is an OLD character, in terms of the history of literature, and yet the concept of the guy turning down the girl, preferring to be friends, is kind of a different, fresh take on things, even today?
Echo features in 2 myths. In the first, she's a talkative nymph who Zeus orders to chat with Hera so he can cheat in peace (odd that he doesn't seduce her as well). Hera finds out that her new gossip buddy is Zeus's lackey sent to distract her so curses her to only repeat the last thing she hears. Later, Echo stumbles across Narcissus staring at his reflection. Either Narcissus is actually into Echo but she ruins it by only repeating him, or Narcissus ignores her entirely and both wastes away until only a Narcissus flower is left, and Echo is just a voice on the wind.
@@Shinmegamitenseistrangejourney kinda makes sense if he insist on doing it in the final version. Although I doubt he'll do it for long considering how much he loves himself
Lol narcissistic personality disorder was named after the greek mith of Narcissus, and before modern psychology the term narcissist just meant someone who was self absorbed and in love with their own appearance. That's what a lot of older media usually means when they label someone a narcissist
I know his sprite is a placeholder, but I kinda dig the idea that he covers himself because his beauty is like a dangerous radiation that drives anyone who sees it mad
@@camiloquinayasvarela7337It’d be equal parts funny and tragic if it turns out that Narcissus is just like anybody else. Somebody of unspeakable unspoken charisma, but otherwise just another shade in the shadows. The reflection is him, but not for a lack of people like him.
Hades 2 Early Access Endings th-cam.com/video/Wz19aUi8b78/w-d-xo.html
More Hades 2 videos th-cam.com/play/PL6avOOSbcSl8xjg6zT8HAaJAdGRL10-2S.html
Everyone respects and is afraid of Medea th-cam.com/video/XAjPP57kY4k/w-d-xo.html
Icarus and Melinoe dialogue - Hades 2 th-cam.com/video/6f1BKIldoyc/w-d-xo.html
Hades 2 characters talk about Zagreus th-cam.com/video/0qcSdjr5-7Y/w-d-xo.html
All Polyphemus Dialogue - Hades 2 th-cam.com/video/Hmyg8qBJHDQ/w-d-xo.html
They made Narcissus such a sympathetic character, I feel like a lot of women would relate to him. He's constantly forced to be cognizant of how his behavior might convey the wrong message and has to defend his right to not love others just because they love him, and merely for his looks at that (though admittedly he doesn't have much else to him). He's absolutely right that his suitors break their own hearts, but they blame him for this anyway, and he's shamed for loving himself. It's hilarious that he talks like Napoleon Dynamite and we just see this placeholder art but his circumstances actually feel so real despite how outlandish it is.
Yeah.
And honestly, probably a good thing he never went after the ones who wanted to marry him.
This may sound heartless, but I’m willing to bet it would become a pretty toxic relationship, genuine love or not.
And honestly, wouldn’t be shocked if they kept the placeholder: might just help show off how in love with himself he is if he thinks no one deserves to love him.
Just my thoughts though.
@@CamdenKaneakaNeptunesdaughter It would be interesting also if they use the same idea as the placeholder art, where you can't really see his face, it's suggested but not revealed. I do think they're going to replace it though, it says "Beautiful flower" in his dialogue frame and I can't help but feel that his picture should include some daffodil or something as a homage to the original myth, but maybe with his face turned away or hidden because he's so sick of people harassing him as soon as they see him. It would really sell the idea that his beauty is for him, not for anyone else.
Ngl his level of self awareness is enviable. He cares about others but doesn’t “love” them, making him a completely platonic while blunt and honest font of self-love advice and reflection.
@@Yidenia or now that I think about it: could also be a way of getting suitors to back off.
If they cannot see his face, then they don’t fall in love.
He sounds more like Nic Cage, IMO
I know his sprite is a placeholder, but I kinda dig the idea that he covers himself because his beauty is like a dangerous radiation that drives anyone who sees it mad
Echo's voice actor had a rough challenge, but she really did a great job conveying a lot of emotions through softer repetitions
And adjusting her voice to reflect the character she's echoing!
seeing the title i was so afraid theyd just force it to become a romantic relationship, im relieved it isnt so. being a bit of a selfish prick doesn't remove someone's right to reject unwanted advances
I mean Narcissus here seems...like he's doing his own thing. Not hurting anyone - they're hurting themselves, so he says. You could weigh that against the old myths, but Hades 1 and 2 have both smudged those when they felt appropriate. As he stands, Narcissus doesn't feel ignoble, you know?
Narcissus was cursed by Nemesis for spurning a male suitor by not only telling him to get lost, but also handing him a sword and telling to…use it on himself. Which he did. So if he loved himself that much, Nemesis made sure that was all he would ever love.
Is that the true story, cause in the video its indicated that echo was the one who got Nemesis to go after him.
@@Zelapherthe game frequently takes from several sources, I am most familiar with the story op is sharing here but wouldn't doubt there is a version where Echo is the reason.
Be interesting to see how this plays out when the full game is out
I'd never actually heard this version, the way I heard it, Echo was the one who had him cursed, and it was Aphrodite who cursed him. Always interesting and cool to learn about different versions of myths!
Mine was echo but nemesis did it@@FigurativeCritter
@@Zelapher That is the other story about Narcissus, but the one where he gets cursed by Nemesis was the one involving Echo.
Melinoë: "Although, there is one that repeats whatever I say to her..."
Narcissus: "Repeats whatever you say to her?!"
Hah. Clever.
There's a lot of brilliant work going on here, but aside from all that I can't believe I've never before seen 'Narcissus tells his reflection 'sorry man one sec this'll only take a minute' when someone walks up him" because it is very funny.
While he is vain that in itself is his punishment. He can't love others or be truly loved in return
So Nemesis is a dumbass and doesn't know what aromanticy is lmao
It makes sense that he only loves himself though. Everyone in his life likely only favoured him for his looks, and while I don’t doubt it gave him a massive ego, it must’ve gotten very lonely, knowing no one loved you for being you. So it makes sense why he prioritises himself, and why he’s so dismissive of his wooers. He knows why they want him, so he shuts them out and focuses on himself, the only person he can rely on to be truthful.
It is so funny seeing Narcissus act like.... the thing that was named after him, and people agree with his narcissism.
He doesn't act like the thing that was named after him, though. Or maybe the thing that was named after him took on other meanings and criteria.
He loves only himself, but he doesn't try to take advantage of everyone else to benefit himself (at least here in Hades II). He just wants to be left alone to enjoy himself. That's honestly the best-case scenario of a real-world narcissist.
@@StarPlatinum3000 okay, I looked it up, and that’s my mistake. I assumed that the only part that mattered was the self admiration, but there are other symptoms that he doesn’t have.
I really wish we could help Echo out by removing her curse, but in order to do that, we would have to ask Hera to do that since she was the one who placed the curse on her.
Unfortunately that would be even harder to do than to get Athena to remove the curse you put on Arachnia.
All in all Narcissus served his fate, I just wish we could spare Echo her fate.
i mean melinoe is trying to help olympus in this game isnt she? we could still help her
in the next patch
It would not be the first curse that we've broken- Sisyphus's bindings were broken, as was our dear bard and Eurydice's, not to mention Achillies. Melinoe has just as much, if not more, authority.
@@joemomma2189I'm not sure, considering Hades been punishing them for years, altering the contract of Sisyphus and Eurydice doesn't seem bother him much. However,the Olympus have bigger ego than Hades are, I don't think it be easy to ask them to remove it, especially those mortals they had grudge with (Athena envy of Aranche weaving skill, Hera annoyance of Echo gossiping all secrets)
@@musfirah9341 Maybe, but- the Olympian's officially have no say. As it is said- All in the Realm of Hades are of his dominion. His Authority in the Land of the Dead is absolute. So while it may prick their egos, ultimately their authority over the curses of those souls ended when they inevitably perished. At least, that is my understanding of it, I could be wrong.
wow laurel is such a nice friend to help Echo and Narcissus like that
Narcissus seems like the definition of a Parasocial relationship with a Asexual.
People who he doesn't even know break their own hearts over him without him ever even doing anything wrong. He is allowed to love or like whoever he wants, and he doesn't like or love anyone except himself and that's ultimately ok. I dont even think the dude IS attracted to anyone, he seems complete asexual at best. And to a extent it seems like he is aware that his beauty is a weapon that he doesn't want to use so he constantly checks himself and tells people how much he doesn't like them. Ironically this ends up causing most of his problems since people take it the wrong way instead of him trying to softly let people know he isn't interested. At least in this story Narcissus isn't malicious to anyone, he's just existing and working on himself and people hated not having his attention.
This really seems like a story where Nemesis really screwed up, if she wanted to truly even things, she would have taken Vengeance on the suitors for harassing Narcissus. Instead her vengeance is petty. Just a reminder that Vengeance and Justice aren't the same thing, and she is a hypocrite.
I think aromantic or aromantic asexual might be more accurate, but this is absolutely spot on otherwise.
@@MaryIsHereNow true true
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@@marcheen6496 *EXTREMELY LOUD BUZZER* incorrect! try again!
@@MaryIsHereNow no one talked to you Mary
Narcissus sounds like Keanu playing Ted doing a Nic Cage impression.
8:21 LOVE this detail of echos tone changing depending on who she’s repeating ✨
"we are each cursed with our experiences. I am nothing without mine. thank you for reflecting my thoughts and sharing your feelings echo" yes very true, this whole story is very sad, but i guess some people dont know how to love themselves and some people dont know how to love anybody except themselves
The way I know, if they give narcissus character art, many people attracted to men are gonna fiend over him like astarion in bg3
Honestly sad when you think about it. But hey people break their own hearts ay?
Wait I don’t know shit about this game and didn’t realize that wasn’t him, why doesn’t he have a sprite?
@@doogaminyuit's a test version, they're still adding sprites and he's one of the ones that still needs character art i think
@@vangoghhaway oh okay I get it, but it does fit him to have no face, kinda like hiding away his beauty
@@doogaminyu oooh yes i get u, like he's so beautiful no one can see him haha
5:19 That made me snort.
10:40 The little mockery of the jock tone!
man i hope the final sprite for narcissus is just straight up nic cage
Narcissus deserved his fate but it’s sad to see Echo still devastated.
well, Narcissus used to be a huntsman till he got too vain and incurred the wrath of Nemesis, who cursed him to love himself only (origin of narcissism)
from that moment on, Narcissus got upset when he couldn't make kissy faces at himself all day and gained an unhealthy obsession for reflective surfaces, he starved himself to death due to doing nothing but watching his reflections
Echo was a tattle tale and she got cursed to repeat only what she heard last time, which made it difficult for her to communicate with others
Echo was one of Narcissus's many fan girls (though she might be the only one that liked him for more than his looks), but Narcissus was cursed to only love himself, so he would never be able to return her feelings
Why do i have a feeling Echo didnt get her curse cured at all because Melionë thought herself that she didnt need her curse lifted.
Hera is the one who placed it, so she is the only one who can lift it. Which uh…… yea asking her to lift will 100% cause her to put another even worse curse on the poor nymph.
In the mythology, Zeus used her to distract Hera while he did… his crimes. Or while the lover escaped from Mount Olympus, lots of regional variations. In fairness to Echo, she didn’t necessarily know why the king of the gods asked her to gossip / talk endlessly at Hera. But in response to her role as an unwittingly accomplice to his infidelity (since Hera is a victim blamer) Hera cursed Echo to only be able to repeat back the words others just said. Then Echo fell in love in Narcissus, and when she got rejected, went up into mountain / canyon cave and waited away till only her voice remained and became part of the mountains. Basically her story is the Ancient Greek explanation for why echos happen.
TL;DR is Mel can’t lift it, or convince Hera to lift it. But there is a work around- the curse is on her voice, so she could write out her thoughts to share them.
@opalishmoth8591 yea but in this version it's given the impression that nemesis did it not Hera.
No Nemesis put the curse on Narcissius. She mentioned “divine retribution with no string attached” so that implied she did nothing to Echo
I believe Narsissus got curse bc one suitor said they gonna kill themselve for him and he fed up with they so they said then do it and they did or something about his suitor kill themselve bc he reject them
he got cursed because after a suitor who knew him for a while confessed to him, he found it so pathetic he threw a knife at him and told the guy to kill himself, which he did. he did stuff like this regularly to his suitors and was super spiteful with them, this led to nemesis getting cursed.
Narcissus is nic cage, i will not take criticism
I will criticize you for missing saying Narcissus Cage.
@@corrinflakes9659 FUCK thats good
@@corrinflakes9659that is officially his new name in my head!
he's absolutely doing a nick cage impression
He sounds like Johnny Bravo and that's the best thing ever.
Isn't it ironic that Narcissus is an OLD character, in terms of the history of literature, and yet the concept of the guy turning down the girl, preferring to be friends, is kind of a different, fresh take on things, even today?
I wish Melinoe was able to uncurse Echo, I think she doesn't deserve still being cursed after all those years
why does he sound like he's doing an elvis impression? lmao
…Didn’t Narcissius literally just die because he looked too long at his reflection? He’s hardly cursed except for the fact he does to f-ing much.
He sounded a bit like a cross between Keanu reeves and Nicholas Cage
Wait wait wait
...Echo, put
Narcissus, in
Nemesis' List
Of things "To Do"
. . . >.>
Narcissus sounds like Nic Cage.
thank god I'm not the only person to think this.
Everybody's mentioning Nick Cage, but to me Narcissus voice is way too similar to The King in Fallout NV.
Echo features in 2 myths. In the first, she's a talkative nymph who Zeus orders to chat with Hera so he can cheat in peace (odd that he doesn't seduce her as well). Hera finds out that her new gossip buddy is Zeus's lackey sent to distract her so curses her to only repeat the last thing she hears. Later, Echo stumbles across Narcissus staring at his reflection. Either Narcissus is actually into Echo but she ruins it by only repeating him, or Narcissus ignores her entirely and both wastes away until only a Narcissus flower is left, and Echo is just a voice on the wind.
Is narcissus still using the placeholder design or was his design used as the placeholder.
his design isnt finnished and using a recolour of the placeholder
@@emilis4323 Be funny if they just kept it like that. Most handsome man and we can't even see him.
@@Shinmegamitenseistrangejourney"this face is meant to be enjoyed by myself.."
But imagine if beneath that robe is just one large petal of flower
@@Shinmegamitenseistrangejourney he could be looking at himself but trying to make sure nobody else sees him so that they don’t fall in love w/ him
@@Shinmegamitenseistrangejourney kinda makes sense if he insist on doing it in the final version. Although I doubt he'll do it for long considering how much he loves himself
Narcissus, the man known for his self-obsession and vanity, is the only character with an American accent.
Make of that what you will.
Nemesis?
Moros, eris arachne
real
@@MrBorbo Ah, okay. I haven’t heard them speak yet, so.
He sounds like gojo
He sounds so much like Nicolas Cage to me
Nicolas cage does oddly suit him funny enough
Narcissus giving off true Nick Cage vibes
He sounds like Ben from across the spiderverse 💀
Did anyone notice that Narcissus was talking like Nicolas Cage? 😂
i can fix them
I can ship them
Fixing greek nic cage? brave
Say hi to Echo for me when you end up in the fields of Mourning!
Narcissus sounds like nicholas cage lol
Narcissus actually has canon art. If you check the website, he has elf ears.
narcissus sounds like bruce wayne to me 💀
Quick question: why nic cage specifically for Narcissus? For meme or that they sound similar?
2:58 Nickolas Cage?....
His voice makes it so funny 😂
From the OSP video, Those both happened along with unamed others.
Why does Narcissus sound like Nicholas Cage
3:00 hmmm.... I admit it
Does someone know the name of the song at the begining of the vidéo ? I can't find it anywhere
i bet his design’s gonna be hot asf, can’t wait for the simps
I blame Hera for this
IS THAT NICK CAGE ?!
Uf not the V.A. is REALLY channelingu alot of Cageines rights there.
I'm pretty sure it's the same guy who does Zagreus
wait i know this!!! i read this in that one leo valdez percy jackson book!!!
Yeah.
I read it too
Thought it was entertaining how Leo dealt with him.
i had to say his name outloud then i realized why hes a narcissist he is narcissist
Lol narcissistic personality disorder was named after the greek mith of Narcissus, and before modern psychology the term narcissist just meant someone who was self absorbed and in love with their own appearance. That's what a lot of older media usually means when they label someone a narcissist
so clever
Why does everyone in this game have random accents?
I know his sprite is a placeholder, but I kinda dig the idea that he covers himself because his beauty is like a dangerous radiation that drives anyone who sees it mad
Except Melinoë, apparently. Protagonist vibes ?
@@Whenpigfly666Well, if he's covered she can't see him. But either way, maybe it doesn't work on gods? ...Except Zeus probably. He's always horny.
@@Whenpigfly666Unless the final art also covers his face, in which case, even Melinoe doesn’t see him and can’t tell if she’d be effected
This suits him so well. I kinda want this to be his final design.
@@camiloquinayasvarela7337It’d be equal parts funny and tragic if it turns out that Narcissus is just like anybody else. Somebody of unspeakable unspoken charisma, but otherwise just another shade in the shadows. The reflection is him, but not for a lack of people like him.