The History of Super Smash Bros' Most Shafted Character
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- No its not Waluigi.
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Geno is bound to have the Ridley effect where he is requested to no end and the second they are in the game, radio silence
wait, they met before?
@@DoracakeThe Ridley effect refers to people wanting Ridley in Smash for the longest time, but those requests were denied, supposedly due to Ridley being too big to be a fighter. As soon as he became a real fighter in Ultimate, no one's really clambering to play as him. They're saying the same thing will happen with Geno. Fans beg for it, Sakurai does it, people are happy for a bit, and move on.
People tend to shut up when they get what they want. Is this a bad thing? Ridley is my tertiary main.
@@AluminumFusion22
That doesn't explain the question. Ridley is the main villain to his series, and his counterpart in Mario series should be Bowser, not Geno.
If we use Bowser and Ridley as the bar for Smash qualification, that means Geno needs to work much harder to reach their level. Boswer still has major role in new games like Odyssey, Sparks of Hope and Bowser's Fury, so Geno should do that, too.
@@Doracake I know this comment is months old but I've never seen someone miss the point of a comment harder than this
I mean this in the best way, your channel reminds me of old TH-cam, like 2008-2014. Just a guy talking about random game trivia, or just some stuff he finds interesting without any sponsors and a billion ads (not that there's anything wrong with it, TH-camrs gotta put food on the table too). It's very refreshing, I love it.
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Here's what's funny: A leaker, who successfully predicted the release of both Hero and Steve, decided to share some insight as to why Smash Ultimate developers were not willing to bite on Geno. This is purely hearsay, but it generally seems to be the fact that the devs... didn't really know *why* people wanted Geno to be added into Smash. All they really got was that they wanted him in - they didn't want a new game featuring him, or even a remake - the general outcry just seemed to be to "put him in".
Again, this is pure hearsay and could be nonsense, but I think it's interesting enough to contribute.
I bet the performance of the Mario RPG remake will be the deciding factor on whether or not Geno gets in. It'll show Nintendo if people really care about the game and its characters or if the Geno fans are just a mob who don't ask why they want him.
@@Chilly_M04it'll turn the character of Geno from obscure forgotten character to a relevant modern character. More exposure to him in an actual game can only be a good thing to help his chances
@@Chilly_M04I'm in the first camp, I like the game
Source?
@@Shyontheinternet99 After Melee, the idea of "obscure" characters being added to Smash seemed more likely, since at the time, lots of people in the West didn't know what the hell a Fire Emblem was. This likely made people think that characters perceived as "obscure" were more likely to get in at the time. Of course, the playable characters never were actually obscure, and once Fire Emblem started getting popular in the West, people started knowing who the characters actually were.
I still remember that Grinch leak. Whoever pulled it off managed to fool the majority of /v/, and the disappointment afterwards was so immense that it very much killed any trust in future leaks
Never trust leaks in the first place
It was glorious to watch the hype deflat in real time
The Grinch Leak was the best fake! In a funny way!
Even if I’m a fan of all the characters in that leak.
@@ShiningTaiga why alot are true lol
I really wish Incineroar was a part of that leak so people would have went "Holy shit they added Ken and Incineroar, the grinch leak is real! This is gonna be the greatest smash direct eve-WHAT DO YOU MEAN THE ROSTER HAS BEEN REVEALED!?"
Real nice of Nintendo to announce a Super Mario RPG remake to commemorate the lives lost to Geno’s bombing of Japan.
Okay, a couple of things…
The unused music file in Brawl was more likely Toadwood Forest than the Forest Maze. They both have the same name in Japan and the file is by other Mario and Luigi songs.
Also I feel the most insulting part of Geno in Smash is that the official Mii Nintendo uses for the Geno costume is hideous. I’ve seen so many better ones made by fans.
Anyway, I’m just sitting here depressed about not getting Bandana Dee.
imagine if bandana dee replaces someone like king k. rool in the next game
I doubt Toadwood Forest would've been considered as a track. Look, I love Partners in Time the most, but Toadwood forest isn't as iconic as Gritzy Dessert, or as popular as the two tracks from Bowser's Inside story, or as significant as the "giant paper" mechanic from Paper Jam that also got its theme in the game. Honestly tho, I do want more tracks even if they are random. That being said tho, Forest Maze is iconic af, more iconic than the whole Mario and Luigi series (Except Bowser's Inside Story and the whole Paper Mario series). And I know it is by the other Mario and Luigi songs, but so what? Doesn't that make sense? That out of all things, Mario RPG would be listed next to the other two RPG series of the Mario franchise? Two series that spawned from the original RPG game? However, I can't argue with your first point, or the Wiki.
Well you gotta remember that this was Brawl. Superstar Saga and Partners in Time were the only Mario and Luigi games at this point. Since Gritzy Desert is used on the 1-1 Mushroomy Kingdom, Toadwood Forest could have been used on the 1-2 version. The dark atmosphere could have worked well! Apparently another Partners in Time track was cut in development as well, although we don’t know what it is. The file name is just MLRPG02.
@@kirbykirisame1366 Yeah as I said, you got a point and I cant argue with that. And while nowadays, it seems like Ultimate wont have a reason to add that track, Brawl was more hmmm. Ambitious? Creative? So it is totally possible that they were planning to do so. Its similar to the Diddy Kong and Dixie Kong situation, but this time it's tracks, and a different reason for the cut. Eitherway, I did wish we had more Partners in Time music, like Princess Shroob or vs Bowser.
@@Lagw1020 I agree! Sometimes it feels like Smash just goes for music from recent games or what’s popular to add. Like the only new Pokémon music is all from Sun/Moon with 2 songs from ORAS. (Well one is from Ruby/Sapphire but the game says it’s from ORAS) Also how do we have a Paper Mario stage but only 2 Paper Mario songs?
Even beyond Smash, there were *several* Square Enix x Mario crossovers in the Wii generation. Mario Hoops, Fortune Street, Mario Sports Mix. All of them used Square Enix characters, but not a hint of Geno, the character that naturally links Mario and Squenix. It was such a bummer.
At least Fortune Street had a SMRPG remix... 💀
And none of them had Geno which is bizarre, if Geno is to be considered for Smash he needs to be in more games so people can get to know him better.
It was such a missed opportunity to not put him in those games. I think Square has no interest in using him.
@@jackflynn412 In fact neither Nintendo or Square can use Geno without accord of the other: Nintendo can't use him because he's created by Square, and Square can't use him because he's Mario character.
@@Morphop3 Which means neither company had an interest in bringing him back for Fortune Street or Mario Sports Mix. Sad. It would be cool to see him become a Mario spin-off character he has such a unique design compared to other Mario characters by being a puppet and all.
You should've talked about the Geno general on Smashboards. The meltdown over Sephiroth getting revealed made the mods lock the thread.
I remember lurking the Smashboards at that time and man, things got ugly, there were people saying there was a conspiracy and other outlandish claims. Everytime there was a hint or theory about a character they made tons of posts about them, only to be wrong the majority of time. The reveals of all third-party characters seemed to differ
- Joker: he actually was well received, people only complained that at the time no Persona game was available on Nintendo systems, save for a couple of spin-offs on the 3DS
- Hero: he wasn't well liked due to DQ not being very popular outside of Japan and people making jokes about them being designed by Akira Toriyama
- Banjo-Kazooie: very few complaints, since they were amongst the most requested characters
- Terry: people didn't know who he was due to SNK not being very popular in the U.S. and because the majority of Smash players aren't very familiar with traditional fighting games
- Steve: probably the most controversial addition, I personally found it appropriate. I think it was due to a backlash towards Minecraft in general
- Sephirtoth: well, he doesn't need an explanation
- Kazuya: similar reception to Terry, but it amazed me that people seem to know nothing about Tekken
- Sora: well, he didn't suffer as big as a backlash as Sephiroth, but some people said it was his fault Geno wasn't considered
@@pablocasas5906 Sora being added in pissed so many people off because of the overused jokes about Kingdom Hearts' story not making sense and how it's seen as a really immature series in general. Some Smash fans felt like the final slot was wasted.
The representation on Switch isn't stellar, either. Outside of the HD remakes and Melody of Memory, we have THE worst version of KH3.
@@AluminumFusion22 well, I'm not that versed with the KH games, I only played a bit of KH2 on the PS2 but I never finished it. I suppose that KH does have a huge following, I mean some of the games in the series have sold millions, though I'm aslo aware that it's story is pretty convoluted, with tons of spin-offs. I suppose there's a lot of people who enjoy KH ironically, I think the fact that is about anime-styled characters interacting with Disney characters kind of makes it hard to take it seriously to some people.
At least KH does have some presence on Nintendo hardware, it's a shame that the main games are only available on the cloud. Most would argue that KH would do well on Nintendo, considering that due to the Disney content, the games are more family-oriented than other RPGs like FF and SMT/Persona
That also reminds me that all of the third-party characters in Smash Ultimate have at least one game available on the Switch, with the exception of Kazuya Mishima from Tekken, Namco never bothered to port any Tekken game to the Switch
@@AluminumFusion22agreed but whyyyyyyy ANOTHER ff7 chaechter. Ff7 literally killed the n64. They should have announced GENO and supermarioRPG remake at the same time. It would been so awesome. But it was before marioswonder years. So all we got was generic toads at the time
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I like Geno, but Mario has got quite many fighters in Smash. Even if Geno is in Smash, he should wait until Smash 6 when some other Mario fighters get cut.
Besides by same logic, Geno should also be announced to join other recent games like Sparks of Hope and Mario Kart 8. Smash isn't really what he needs the most at this point.
that reference to strangle unlocked a long buried memory
WHERE'S THE JOKE FUCKLEY
I will never recover all of the hours I spent defending Geno in smash on /v/
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All those posts, like tears in the rain.
least embarrassing /v/ermin
@@PatchtheReaper99 good news Sakurai used Sephiroth to reference Mario RPG th-cam.com/video/u3YFoec3ofU/w-d-xo.html.
As a dantebro, I feel you
Shoutout to the Geno bros on behalf of the Bandana Dee fans
7:39 Okay, clarification, the remix was not on the game's files, ONLY the track title, the remix was fan-made.
Also the text on screen during that portion, which comes from the ssbwiki states "Japanese translates to "Forest's Mushrooms"; its position in the music list suggests the track was the Toadwood Forest theme (also from Partners in Time). The original music's dark tone suggests it would have been played in the underground variant of Mushroomy Kingdom. The title is also similar to "Beware the Forest's Mushrooms", a piece of music from the Square-developed game Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars. However, since Nintendo and Square Enix did not collaborate making this game, as well as due to the track's placement, it's unlikely to be this track."
Forget Geno, I'll NEVER forgive Smashified for the Rayman hoax, worst Valentine's day of my life.
Wanting Geno in smash is the most random thing I’ve ever seen people do.
Ridley fans wanted more metroid representation.
Waluigi fans just want the 4th plumber in the game, or are just memeing
Geno fans want Geno in Smash because… because they just do.
It's because he's from the first time Mario has been in an RPG, not to mention the crossover with square was pretty big at the time and people want him back in stuff in general because he represents the friendship between the companies.
@@AwesomeMooseSmile true but honestly at that point any other rpg character would be better or hell one of the paper Mario characters
@@MILDMONSTER1234 You could, but by that logic, we wouldn't have had to add King K Rool because people only wanted to see a DK villain, so they could have just put the walrus or tiki guys instead, or hell people just wanted ridley because thet wanted a cool metroid villain or a character that wasn't Samus, so might as well add Sylux or Trace. Point is, there's plenty of valid reasons why many want Geno that differ from other similar RPG or Mario characters, whether it's because Mario RPG is one of their favorite games, they like all the side characters in the Mario RPGs and Geno is the coolest the most popular, or even that they just want to see him on a Nintendo game again.
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But Mario is the core of the franchise and that game, in the end. I like Geno but being in one game is just not enough. If a character needs to gain importance s/he just needs to be in more games.
I think the contradiction is that all the recurring characters like Toad and Pauline are also quite popular. So even by popularity, Geno wouldn't have the garuntee to win.
@@MILDMONSTER1234 Paper Mario is made by Intelligent Systems, the company that made Fire Emblem. You can understand why Paper Mario would most likely not be in Smash😓😓😓😓.
Wouldn't it have been great if they did the whole build up of the song and the RPG logo then announced Mallow as a new fighter.
RPG logo? what is it?
As a GenoBro who grew up playing Super Mario RPG, this is extremely accurate.
Can't wait for the Geno Mii Costume to return alongside Black Mage or 2B in Smash 6...
Don't forget about Octopath, LiveALive and the plethora of other FFs besides 7.
@@banjo-kazooie Indeed. 🥲
@@amariofan64
what about crono from chrono trigger ? it would be the most insulting since crono and geno are in almost the exact same situation
and thats why crono should get in
@@esrever6948 That would be even worse than Sephiroth, somehow.
@@amariofan64
worse ??? implying sephiroth and crono are bad ? (false they are way better than geno)
Super Mario RPG Legend of the Seven Stars really pushed my brother and I to learn to read growing up. I absolutely love both Mallow and Geno. Thank you for this video :)
I always understood the desire for Geno to be in Smash back in the Brawl days as fundamentally derived from a desire to see Square Enix representation in general. People REALLY wanted characters like Cloud or Sora, but the games for those characters weren't generally on Nintendo consoles at that point, and Square's relationship with Nintendo was pretty shaky at the time. With this in mind, people saw Geno as the perfect "in" for the company. Sure, plenty of people wanted Geno in Brawl due to a legitimate love for the character, but the greater scope desire was for Geno to act as a stepping stone for further Square representation in the series.
Then Brawl came out, and people started to find evidence that Geno WAS planned to appear as a playable character. From this point on, the logistics for many people wanting Geno in Smash becomes akin to an ouroboros. Geno was ALMOST in Smash, so he just SHOULD BE in Smash. Naturally, there were still people who wanted Geno for Geno's sake, and people who wanted Geno to act as a stepping stone for further Square rep, but now you also have people who see what could have been desiring for that potential to simply Be, without further attachment to the character. Its almost like the opposite of Sakurai saying "Ridley is too big" back in the day making people think it was absolutely impossible for him to be a viable character. Because Sakurai said he DID want to put Geno in Brawl, that means he MUST become playable now.
Then of course, we got Cloud in Smash 4's DLC, and then a ton of other Square Enix rep in Ultimate. The people who wanted Geno to lead to further rep don't have a core reason to want Geno anymore, they just GOT those characters.
I still can't imagine Geno playable in a Smash game over Chrono, who fits all the same criteria and is far more deserving of the recognition.
Probelm is Smash is about games and franchises, not about characters exactly. Geno's not necessary only casue major Mario characters have made it into Smash. At most people can only complain that Rosalina got the unfair treat from NIntendo despite she is much younger than Geno, but it's not that NIntendo is obliged to keep adding Mario series fighters. They're only obliged to treat Mario characters in regular Mario games.
@@RushOnRayzeII Good news Tetsuya Takahashi who was the artist for Chrono Trigger wound be the creator of the Xenoblade games.
The Xenoblade even has music by Yasunori Mitsuda who also composed Chrono Trigger.
Their relationship was better than you thought at leas when it came to handhelds. Nintendo was the international publisher for the Final Fantasy GBA remakes/ports.
@@costby1105 Square's relationship with Nintendo was practically non-existent since Square began developing games for the PlayStation until they merged with Enix in the early 2000s. I mean, Squaresoft did not develop any game for the N64 and they ignored the GameBoy Color, despite its huge popularity, instead opting to develop games for the WonderSwan. Enix, on the other hand, published quite a few games for the N64 like Mischief Makers, Wonder Project J 2 and Ogre Battle 64, and they made a lot of Dragon Quest games for the GBC. Don't know if Squaresoft would have returned to publish games for the GCN and GBA, but I think the merge with Enix helped a lot
Just announced a Mario rpg remake, so little bit for the fans now at least
I mean fans want more than that, like a new game for them to appear, or enter Mario Party.
I will never understand why some consider Mii costumes a slap on the face. Do they seriously think that if those costumes were not in, then those characters would have a guaranteed spot in the roster? Is better something that nothing, but to some anything less than everything is insulting.
I mean.... yeah, some characters don't even appear as costumes, so it's not like Mallow or Pauline fans are supposed to be happy about it.
@@Doracake Fans have to learn that they can't always get everything they want.
Idk why he was ever in contention in the first place
I'm just glad Geno got anything at all, at least he was a Mii Costume and not a PNG- I mean Spirit. Also I'm glad that they didn't make Geno's full head the Headgear like for the Tails Mii Costume's Headgear.
Comparing to other active characters, not so much worthy. Even if Toad isn't a fighter, fans can still play him in many games and see him in the theater. Geno fans should also expect the same.
Contrary to popular belief, Geno hype did not start in the Brawl days. He’s actually been a highly requested character since even before Melee came out. So really we Geno fans have been dealing with his exclusion and all of the bs that comes along with it for even longer than most people think.
The better explnation about the early time was that people thought Mario rpgs were canon, because Nintendo didn't really establish a recurring main cast during that time. Only in later n64 Mario sport games did Nintendo really gave a clear answer geno won't join the main cast.
its going to be super interesting to see why sakurai didnt added geno when he covers the history of the smash bros games
it's almost like it's a one off character that's been in an what? almost 30 years old game by now? AND owned by another company that's not only a pain to negotiate with but also owns multiple more recognizable icons that could be added and would benefit both companies. So why go thru all that trouble just to please smashboards when you could use the chance to get Final Fantasy or Dragon Quest instead?
@@o_oro-q1k i mean yeah true it has a lot of logic but i didn't say it because i don't see this as a possibility i just wondered about this idea in the case that geno actually got a more interesting reason to why he wasn't added
@@o_oro-q1k Ice Climbers and Pit are one-off characters
@@TheGeoXWar who are owned by nintendo and don't need as much money spent on them.
@@o_oro-q1k Smash fans explaining why their fan rules and personal standards are true
He got something now 👀
I wouldn't call it something
I call it something better
Even though Geno couldn't make it in as a fighter i do wonder what could've been like if it would've been close enough to add him in as an assist trophy even though it's clearly not what the fans would have wanted
Yeah, that makes sense. And NIntendo could had sent Geno to some other games if they really want to.
This vid's thumbnail found its way to Twitter.
twitter.com/Queen_Crimson31/status/1618494005993701377
People in the replies genuinely think this is a #Geno4Smash campaign video without having watched it. If you want me to be honest, there are dozens of other characters I would want in Smash before Geno. This is just a history video of what's happened in the past.
Twitter moment man
@danger nah geno haters are genuinely more obnoxious. I don't get why people get SO heated that others like a video game character.
@@AwesomeMooseSmile because some of the fans of a character can be very annoying. I remember before banjo and steve got in these 2 were considered the most annoying fans along with waluigi
@Jesus I mean, I get some fans can be annoying, but I still don't think the hate is warranted. Waluigi fans are by far the worst. They were unfunny, genuinely coping with him being possible for being possible for base game, and actually sent hate and death threats towards Sakurai (granted, it was like 2 teenagers, but still). With all of that being said, I still don't think it's a valid reason to look down on others who want Waluigi, or any other character for that matter, and be terrible to them. Most of these people just want a character for a video game they like, and the smash fanbase has a problem with all of them for some reason. I still remember seeing people personally attack Ridley fans, and to a lesser extent King K Rool, just because they're popular, but then as soon as they got in they moved onto the next target.
@@AwesomeMooseSmile Geno fans haven't even played Mario RPG and only like him because of a flash animation where he raps.
Now that SM RPG remake has been announced it makes me wonder if there was some sort of contractual obligation where they couldn't use Gino in any other games, so their workaround was "okay, we won't use the character, but we can make a costume of him instead."
Geno already appeared as a costume in Smash bros for WiiU. It's more just that NIntendo didn't try to push it further by putting Mallow and Geno in Nintendo Switch games like Odyssey, 3D World or Origami King.
As a fan of Super Mario RPG, it's nice to see some semblance of acknowledgement from Sakurai. I would prefer him being a full on character with Mallow as an Assist Trophy, but the fact that he has a Mii Costume is impressive in and of itself(even if I would prefer a deluxe costume akin to Cuphead and Sans). It may never happen, but I will stan this great entry in the Mario RPG series.
As the video said they could had at least become assist trohpies, that's better than nothing.
The funny thing about Ultimate is that while Geno was hanging around in people's minds, the thing I was fixated on was a picture posted of Sakurai talking with ZUN, the creator of Touhou
Huge fan of the series, but I was just curious if Sakurai would pull the trigger and if so what kind of presentation he'd present for Reimu Hakurei and the music selection
Wait really? I've heard somewhere that they know each other but I've never seen actual evidence. You got a link?
The Legend is so incredible, he would be too OP outside of Super Mario RPG. Nintendo fears the 9999 attack.
a 9999 that didn´t worked at all...only with Exor
@@koruoshouji9960 it worked on most normal enemies, though required alot of FP.
Pichu would TANK that btw.
You say not Waluigi in the description, but the situation is pretty similar. Waluigi has also been asked since Brawl, and has continually been denied in increasingly mocking ways. I think Geno is probably worse, though, because at least Waluigi is near-certain to make it into the next game due to how relevant he still is; whether or not Geno will *ever* appear is still very much up in the air. Fingers crossed
Waluigi is for the most part a joke pick, like half the fans only want him ironically let’s not pretend otherwise.
The Waluigi movement exploded after the Direct that revealed him as an Assist Trophy. Before that he still had his fans but it wasn't as huge.
Their only same issue is losing to other Mario characters, since Mario series has too many options for fighters. However, Nintendo at least likes to use Waluigi in other regular Mario games. Obviously they don't want to give Geno any light.
Waluigi is my favorite Mario character and get sad everytime. Geno after the hype of Super Mario RPG has a way higher chance than Waluigi and I’m sad.
I like the Mii Costumes. It's fun to make characters (even if it's limited and they usually don't even let you change colors, and it would be better to have full masks than hats, but I digress). But it really irks me that Miis never show up when you do random select. That's my favorite way to play. All Random all the time.
I really enjoy your channel, it covers so much different subjects. It's pretty refreshive.
When I was only 7, I remember going online and discovering Super Mario RPG, along with Geno, Smash Bros Brawl, and how people wanted him. Even though I've never played either games until a few years later, seeing how cool he was through old game recordings made me want to see him in Smash and play Super Mario RPG someday.
Over a decade later, I still sit here waiting for the day to come. Don't know why it has to be so far away, but I know that one day it will come in the way we want it to.
If you play it you won't want him in anymore, he's way more boring than the internet makes him out to be
@@scoffeex1740 Actually Ive played the game twice and I absolutely love it. He stands out a lot more than Mario does in game with the amount of dialogue and lore he's given.
Curious, did you play recent Mario RPGs like Origami King?
@@StageCraftBeast It's says here that Geno can increase a character's attack and Defense, that reminds me too much of Shulk in Smash.
It also says that Geno can use light and fire based moves, the problem is Pyra and Mythra can do the same thing.
Which makes it hard for Geno to standout. Talk about bad luck🍀🚫🚫🚫🚫.
@@orangeslash1667 Do you know how little that narrows it down?
Bro imagine if in the next smash game Mallow gets in instead of Geno.😭 That would be the ultimate kick in the balls
Super Mario RPG is one of my favorite games of all time. I've been hoping for Geno since I was a little kid in Melee. I remember how hard my heart sunk in with the mii costume in Wii U. It felt like a punch to the face. It was pretty nostalgic seeing the forums from Brawl's time. I was there on those forums talking about Geno as a 12 year old kid. Good times and good video. I hope Geno gets in someday. At least for now I have Brawl mods.
Did he appear in any Wii game?
I've gone through most of your videos today once I discovered you today, and I want to let you know your videos are gold. You might not have a million views and sometimes not even 100k, but that doesn't define the quality and the interesting topics you've chosen. Keep it up dude.
to be honest geno is not that important neither influential of a character, people just irrationally leached onto the character for some weird reason, hell Waluigi has MUCH more reasons to be in Smash.
I mean Geno as well as Mallow are good characters. Sure they're not eligible for Smash bros but every character can have fans.
But not again.... This is The TIME
It’s a sad thought, that so much time has passed, that even if Geno got his moment to shine, there are definitely plenty of people who have died before they got to see it
the only hope for Geno fans at this point is a mario spin-off game with Geno as the main focus or protagonist, which has the same chance of happening as Geno being an official roster member in any smash game unfortunately
There area lready many spinoffs for NIntendo Switch, and fans could ask Nintendo to do Geno for those games.
@@Doracakeactually ask square
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Don't think so. Nintendo never openly acknowledge that the issue is from Square, who is already their business partner and worked with them in many occasions.
If they broke up they would not even agree with the remake.
I've always thought that paper Mario would be a super cool character to add, but alas
As I'm watching this episode, I'm having flashbacks of waiting for Megaman (X or original) to be announced for Marvel vs Capcom 3 (both versions).
I'm kinda floored at how much energy people put towards shitting on a character who allegedly isn't worth anything.
For the record Ridley was my most requested and I stuck to my guns throughout Smash 4's lifespan. Nothing you say could hurt me more than 2014 did.
People shit on the Fire Emblem characters using the excuse that they're not iconic enough to be in Smash, this isn't unique to Geno fans
@@benhuang2773 To be somewhat fair, Corrin absolutely does not deserve their character slot.
@@benhuang2773 The difference is that FE characters keep getting in left and right and Geno fans have gotten nothing. You and I are not the same.
@@TheWrathAbove Look at reactions to Byleth too, they were the epitome of lukewarm.
@@toamatoro570 Yeah, but the difference is that FE fans generally actually like Byleth and Three Houses. Not many Corrin fans cause they're a shit character from a shit game that's only in smash for marketing purposes.
This whole Geno stuff is the literal definition of Insanity for Smash Fans.
Literally nobody cares about Geno except for Smash players
@@EmperorPenguin1217 Even the game Geno came from doesn't care about Geno lol
@@EmperorPenguin1217 isn't he from mario games?
@@Doracake Yeah, super Mario rpg.
@@EmperorPenguin1217 then mario series fans would care?
I really dont believe theres more than 1000 individuals who actually played Mario RPG + care about Smash + like Geno
Hopefully the Mario RPG remake getting announced like 2 months ago has been enough compensation to make the Geno fans happy, sure its a remake of the game 1 for 1, but you can say he's in HD on Nintendo Switch...
Better than nothing I suppose.
I don't think so. Consider how many games Geno missed on Nintendo Switch, the remake is just not enough. Unless Nintendo announce that they'd start to do more DLCs for the already released Mario games.
@@Doracakei hope that the remake does well enought for them to at least try rescue this characters somehow. A man can dream ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Guess who’s coming back?
Oh hey! I can see 2 pieces of my fanart at 4:03! Thanks so much for the inclusion! XD
I feel like they never wanted to add him for the same reason as Sans is a Mii costume.
He stars in ONE GAME. Literally ONE SINGLE GAME.
And, not gonna lie, it would be very unfair to let him get in with very little relevance.
Is like asking to add... I don't know, the red demon thing from Sonic Lost World.
And, come on, "he's a cool character" is far from enough of a reason to add him.
I feel like Geno fans were just memeing at one point, or they are just brainrotted from this character.
On the one hand, I do feel a little bad for Geno fans for not ever getting the chance to see their favorite character be a fighter (I speak as a Waluigi fan after all, I know that feeling). But at the same time, I also find it kinda hard to sympathize with all of them considering how unbelievably OBNOXIOUS some of them can get. I remember the day that Geno was announced as a Mii costume in Ultimate, I commented that I saw it as an absolute win, in that he at least wasn't forgotten.
Yeah, turns out, by saying that, it's like I committed a crime against humanity, because next thing I knew, there were a buncha jerks screaming and ranting at me about how Geno should've been a fighter and all that pizzazz (with one of them *even calling me an R-word).* I know not all Geno fans are even remotely like this, but you know the saying, "a few bad apples can spoil the whole bunch"...
I like Geno, but consider that he's been frequently absent from all new games on WIIU (and now even the games on NIntendo Switch), it's sad but not surprising to prove that Nintendo don't think he is an appropriate choice for Mario franchise representive. Geno not being a franchise mascot is a cruel objecitve fact for now.
If people do think Geno is undeniably necessary to Mario series, it's not just about Smash but too many recent Mario games as well as Super Mario Movie should all be blamed about Geno's absence.
I got a theory of the real reason why Geno didn't add in Smash Bros, beside of licence issues by both Nintendo and Square.
There have been lately ongoing theme towards the Mario community, there is a term known as "Mario Mandates". The idea is before late 2000s, Nintendo allowed to create original characters with a depth and lore into Mario's universe. Some are in the same species such as toads or koopas are completely modified to fit their personally/characters, or completely brand new. to This reply a lot for more sign-off titles, especially RPGs or Sports. Allowing the some developers from Intelligent Systems, AlphaDream or even Sqaure Enix, to add more depth and storytelling elements in these games. However, around late 2000s, Nintendo EAD including Miyamoto feelings the Mario brand is taking "too far" with lore and emphasis on storytelling into games, from first Galaxy and Super Mario Paper in 2007. Likely doesn't want Mario to end like Sonic with 06 back then. This cause a somewhat reboot happened with New Super Mario Bros Wii in 2009. Where Nintendo refurbished entirely of the Mario's universe, to fitted with corporate-feel or same tone to Mickey Mouse. This is why latest Paper Mario games lacked of charm unlike previous titles in 2000s. I think that characters like Geno or Mallow doesn't fitted as the Mario series, form Miyamoto's perspective. Causing the mandates upon many developments and studios to allow or don't not to do with the series, including Sakurai. After all, Nintendo owns both Mario and Smash Bros.
The two companies do have a good partnership to talk about it, so I don't think they would feel bothered if they want to do anything with him. If they can't, they wouldn't even do the remake version of the RPG.
Nintendo's general issue is more like their lack of interest in Geno and Mallow, as well as other RPG originated characters like Goombella. As Goombella has no license issue at all, obviously the reason isn't about license.
Sometime during the summer of 2023, Nintendo announced a remake of Super Mario RPG. That means Geno is going to enter the minds of many new players, who are going to experience a legendary game with a new coat of paint. Maybe, just maybe, that means Geno might have a (slightly) brighter future ahead of him!
That really depends. The obstacle in front of him and others is more about the fact none of the Mario's RPG characters have been able to join the main cast, it's not just a bout Geno but also happens to Starlow, Mallow, Goombella and others. So only when Nintendo is willing to change their opinion would these characters have a chance.
I think if NIntendo really want to please fans, they could had just announced Geno to join other recent games like Sparks of Hope or Mario Kart Tour. I mean, if Geno does appear in other games, he doesn't even need the remake to be known by modern gamers. They can just play Mario Kart or Odyssey to know Geno if he did appear in these games.
@Doracake I'm certain nobody cares about your made up rules for who can and can't make it into a party game. Please shut up and stop embarrassing yourself. Glad I could help.
That shantae mii-costume was a punch to the nuts
Here’s the thing, why would square ever allow geno to be put in when they could easily ask for another, more popular character be put in. Remember smash is a great advertisement for series, so square would naturally push for some character from a best selling game to be included
Yeah like Sora and Sephiroth
Uh..... Geno would just be a Mario series character. His rival is always Mario, not the characters from Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, Kingdom Hearts, etc. There is some weird misunderstanding since Cloud never really robbed Geno's chance. We should focus the Mario contents only.
@@billyboleson2830 ?are they related?
Geno is cool but the fans behind him are annoying af. I remember being happy when Xenoblade got another rep, only to see Twitter bombarded with Geno fans bashing the inclusion because the franchise is more niche, despite Geno only ever appearing in 1 game (and a cameo that was removed). People can have their wish lists of course, but Geno fans gotta realize he's not that impactful of a character.
Didn't Mario get more reps? Why would Xenoblade be a problem? It only has three characters by now.
for some reason this is really fascinating to me like i dont think i wouldve ever even known geno existed if there wasnt this extremely passionate group of people that wanted him to be in smash
Costumes produce the sodium chloride
Distant cries call for a doll still denied
Take this loss, though the tears may cloud your sight
Geno isn't included in this ultimate fight
I was “Rewarded” with a lifetime ban from SmashBoards for telling a forum that Geno will NEVER be officially added to Smash Ultimate.
When Sora released and its continuance was officially ended, I attempted to appeal my ban, on the grounds that I wasn’t wrong about what I said.
I was told “we will never recognise your opinion in any official capacity, the ban will be held indefinitely”
Talk about savage. Lmao
Please never stop making videos. I love you, no homo
No homo indeed really appreciate the content
yes homo
He didn't even get a good Mii costume, they just gave him the same one with a human head with dead-looking eyes twice 💀
Similarly to Ridley, even if Geno did eventually get into Smash as a full character, they'd just lose all the interest people had up until that point and people'd move onto the next character, cuz the discourse about Ridley has dropped so much ever since he became playable. So Geno gets their 15 minutes of fame and that's it
Exactly what I’ve been saying too. People fought tooth and nail for Ridley, just for the character to barely get touched lmao
You can tell because how come geno fans never ask for him to be in th Mario spin-offs like Kart or party?
This comment is whack.
As one of those people hoping Ridley would finally make it I've mained the big guy from the start. He just isn't very competitively viable. Don't take internet clout as a representation of how smash players value a character.
@@Tribow Oh it was definitely hyperbole, but you know what I mean, right? People tried SO hard to get this character in and then when it finally happened it wasn't nearly as hype as before
@@PixelHeroViish Obviously people aren't going to talk about how it's awesome he made it in forever, but I don't think it's fair to say people lost interest. The main reason he's not played a lot is because he's mid tier at best, competitive viability determines a lot of a characters' relevance.
I stopped playing Ultimate a while ago because Switch Online is a garbage service but I'm still very happy that he's in the game. He could use a few changes to his moveset and better balancing but for the most part he's a great addition and a no-brainer as a Metroid rep.
This video was great. Thank you, and I'll never lose hope. If Ice Climbers could get in, Geno certainly can.
IceClimbers are owned by Nintendo
Now that theyre making a Mario RPG remake, id said the Next Smash Game is his actual highest ever odds, he’s relevant for the first time since the 90s! i dont really care about geno but im rooting for him bc so many have wanted him for years
That depends on whether Geno and Mallow can begin to have more game appearances outside their original games or just stay as one-off. It's sure nice they're not forgotten, but also pretty much weird that Nintendo still don't want to throw them in Mario Kart 8, Sparks of Hope or Super Rush via DLCs.
Oh snap this was just uploaded. And here I was going through the rest of your catalog. Nice!
I’m sure that with the release of the Super Mario RPG Remake, there could be a chance that Geno finally gets his time to shine
I feel bad for people who really wanted him
The problem is NIntendo already noticed Geno back in Smash 4. It still does'nt make sense for Geno to not appear in any later game after Smash 4. That' why fans feel so desperate and frustrated.
Even for now, Nintendo has announced Peach's Showtime, but they didn't highlight that Geno and Mallow will have a role in this game.
Jesus christ this thumbnail has single-handedly converted me into an anti-Geno fan.
Still fucked Smash introduced a new type of Mii Costumes that allow the character to look like the mii is the exact model along with a free music track, and then proceeded to make reuse the Smash 4 Geno Costume and made the track that plays in his bit unavailable. Like I remember expecting a Deluxe Geno Costume, but seeing his dog shit costume from 4 be the only real form of representation for the character feels utterly insulting.
What a great summary of events! Nice video. :)
I can’t hear 16:30 without imagining a plane crashing immediately
Who knows when they'll do another Smash Bros but we all know the roster size will never match Ultimates, that's why I want them to pull it back and refine the gameplay of the older fighters and bring their movements closer to the design philosophy of newer characters where moves are actually based on stuff from their games.
Ganondorf is a big example of a character who could do with being reworked but most of the 64 and Melee cast could do with adjustments.
Maybe they could also have an option to switch their movesets to "classic mode"?
The old Ganon moveset should just go to Black Shadow or Deathborn
Now the question remains: who will be added to Smash first? Geno or Waluigi?
Honestly Geno would be a bad choice. It wouldn’t advertise any games, only a few thousand people would care, and the excitement would dissipate quickly. The real most shafted character is Waluigi, obviously.
Waluigi? what did he do to Geno?
@@DoracakeWaluigi is a character exclusive to the Mario spin-offs so they can have a full roster of characters. He's never appeared in a mainline game outside of a reference in Odyssey.
@@AluminumFusion22
so they can have a full roster? what is that again?
@@Doracake A roster is a selection of characters. Games with multiple playable characters have a roster, whether it's a game like Mario Kart or Smash Bros.
@@AluminumFusion22
No I still don't get what you mean. You say Waluigi never had a major game role, so if you want to complete a main cast with major roles, why create Waluigi in the first place? Didn't we have many unused key characters from past games like Pauline, Stanley and Syrup?
i wish there were more f-zero characters in smash
I like this game but it's really hard, consider it discontinued long time ago. If it wants a new entry for Smash it needs a new game.
Things have changed 😮
If I can be honest, I NEVER understood the hype for Geno.
He appeared in ONE game that's at best at cult classic and even then he only appears for less than half of the game.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not against Geno being in Smash a fully playable character but I just don't get why he'd be a bigger priority than Cloud, Sephiroth, Hero and Sora.
bigger priority than Cloud, Sephiroth, Hero and Sora? what is that? aren't they from diffferent series?
@@DoracakeCloud and Sephiroth are in Kingdom Hearts the same game where Sora is from
@@SamuelJohnsonYT KH weren't their origin tho. They were just guests. And not sure how that relates to Geno.
@@Doracake I know they are guests
If you're looking for a game that has a character reminiscent of Geno, I highly recommend Everhood.
That "brawl easter egg geno" video was from the era of TH-cam where you could only use profile pictures from videos you've uploaded
Looks like that might just change.
I’m happy with the information that Waluigi will not make it into the main roster
I genuinely thought he was a reoccurring side character from Fire Emblem or something like that, not a 1x from a Mario game--
I'm personally glad that they added Fireemblem Swordman and not Scrimblo Bimblo. This is a game for grown-ups, thank you.
You know, he may not be in smash, but atleast PMEX exists.
If we just had one more, one more fighters pass he *might've* made it in
If Ice Climbers, Captain Falcon, and Ness weren’t in Smash, their fans would be in the same boat
They're from different IPs, right? It's not like they had other competitors to fight for Smash.
If you want to mention franchsies that have no fighters, just mention Golden Sun and Ring Fit.
Ahhh memories.
I wonder if Final Fantasy finally getting rep in Smash led to development of the upcoming Mario RPG remake. So rather than Geno being a stepping stone for FF in Smash, Smash was the stepping stone to the game he's featured in getting a remake.
> Final Fantasy finally getting rep in Smash led to development
If you mean Square's partnership with NIntendo, by record they did made several Mario collab games with Nintendo on Wii and they also made several games release for NIntendo platforms, like Octopath. So it's definitely not directl relevant with Smash bros.
Then the problem should be that Geno never lacks chances to return if NIntendo and Square really wanted to push, since Mario games release very frequently. There is even Mario Kart Tour update monthly for Geno to get in anytime, he doesn't even need to wait for the remake to return. It's frustrating but looks more like Nintendo didn't give enough emphasis on him.
Also because Mario RPG was the last game Squaresoft developed before moving on to the PlayStation.
actually the most shafted smash character is the one i want
The real snub here is that you went this entire video without mentioning Waluigi
"Ryu will never be in Smash, characters from traditional fighting games don't fit in."
"Cloud will never be in Smash, he has no relation to Nintendo, his game was never released on Nintendo hardware."
"Bayonetta will never be in Smash, she is too sexy, her game is too violent and she uses guns."
"Snake is never going to come back, Konami only cares for pachinkos, and Kojima was fired, same goes for Simon Belmont, he will never be in Smash."
"Ridley will never be in Smash, he is too big, he can't work as a Fighter."
"K. Rool will never be in Smash, he is dead and irrelevant, he is missing for over a decade, he was removed from his own franchise and replaced."
"Erdrick or Luminary will never be in Smash, the Dragon Quest series is only popular in Japan."
"Banjo will never be in Smash, he is dead, irrelevant, literal who, he is missing for over a decade, only boomers care about him, and don't compare him with K. Rool."
"Terry will never be in Smash, no one knows who he is and no one asked for him."
"ARMS will never get a character in Smash, that game failed in sales and no one plays it anymore."
"Steve will never be in Smash, he is just a meme chararacter, something people ask only as a joke, Minecraft is cringy and zoomer trash."
"Xenoblade 2 will never get a character in Smash, that game is old news at this point."
"Tekken will never get a character in Smash, you can't adapt a 3D fighting game to a 2D game like Smash, Sakurai already said it was too hard."
"Sora will never be in Smash, he is not a videogame character, and Disney will never allow him."
"Geno will never be in Smash, he is dead, irrelevant, literal who, he is missing for over two decades, only boomers care about him, and don't compare him with K. Rool and Banjo."
What is it?
BASED
Sora is a video game character. One of the criteria during the Smash Ballot was that the proposed character had to originate from a video game and stay a video game character exclusively, that's why Goku and James Bond never made it in.
I will always think the original super smash bros intro went the hardest.
I hope that the fans manage to preserve the dlcs for all the smash games.
It would be so funny if geno gets added and he's a z tier megaman clone
Geno being shafted kinda sucks, but I think what crushed me more in retrospect was the lack of Crash or Spyro attention. During that October Direct, I was hoping that would be the perfect time to reveal the bandicoot and/or dragon since Crash 4 going to be released around the same day. While Minecraft Steve caught me by surprise and I had a hearty chuckle, A part of me kinda died inside and thought we missed the mother load of a golden opportunity.
PS. Crash or Spyro would probably be way less obnoxious to fight online than Steve if you think about their potential movesets.
You don't need to add the "P.S." copium at the end.
Minecraft was a much bigger golden opportunity than Crash or Spyro. I would've loved the inclusion of Crash or Spyro but I don't think choosing one of them over Steve makes any sense.
I’m sorry man but Smash Speculation ruined Crash, because that’s all people ever talked about and it became tiresome, be careful when mentioning Crash in Smash. It’s for your own safety. I’m a Crash Fan but hardly ever talk about him.
While I don't think they would've been as awful to fight against as Steve, I really think the fanbase eventually would've given them the Banjo treatment (once their hype dies down basically no one plays them anymore)
I love them, but Smash is about Nintendo's works, and Crash's company was not part of the Smash bros project. It's not that every single company on Nintendo's business needs to be in Smash.
I am at the beginning of what I hope is a binge of videos, I wanted to watch this channel's stuff but forgot the title. God Bless TH-cam recommendations.
geno is a character ive seen gain this weird hate bubble around him where you arent allowed to really discuss geno because “hes too obscure” and “nobody played mario rpg” or whatever and its so strange since while thats happened to other characters its most prevalent with geno
Same with Crash since Smash Speculation ruined him
Also there was toxic geno fans that ruined the reputation of the character. As well again there were people who cared about their characters over other characters and trust me twitter and smash bros hell pages really hate this character. Some had their valid reasons and some played rpg and still don't think he deserved to be in
I will preface this by stating that I personally dislike Geno very much, everything below this is strictly my opinion:
He definitely did get a lot of hate because people were just THAT obnoxiously demanding about getting this character in, but let's be honest here for a second:
Geno is barely even relevant or interesting in their own game so why would anyone want this nothing of a "character" in this thing? From everything I know all they do is tell Mario the basic premise of retrieving the Star Road pieces and then they're relegated to a Glass Cannon Mage and nothing more. Exor and Smithy were barely more relevant and they too are absolute disappointments of "characters"
He gives off that vibes of a earthbound fan who never played earthbound. Then Steve fans showed up and act insanely toxic, making geno fan look cool. Steve in smash is alright but he deserved a better fanbase.
@@PixelHeroViish Fucking preach. people only like Geno because he has cool powers.
I’m not even a fan of Smash Bros or the game Geno is from, but even I want him in Smash Bros
do you play 3D World?
Bruh, moment that Shrek in Super Smash Bros Ultimate never happened
person who's been clamoring for geno to get into smash excited to finally play super mario rpg for the first time
what>
@@Doracake its a joke on the “huge earthbound fan excited to finally play the game for the first time” article with how most people who want geno in smash probably havent even played super mario rpg, and how the upcoming super mario rpg remake will let more people play it
a comedian huh?