it’s not a “plot hole” that he didn’t have proof that she was a witch because women were accused and killed for being witches without any proof in real life. it makes complete sense that they would believe him over women they thought to be lesbians causing their town to be cursed. it’s literally like hannah said “it doesn’t matter if we did it or not. they think we’re guilty, so we are.”
That’s not what she meant. She said it was a plot hole bc she thought the story was gonna use the crown as plot. I haven’t watched it yet but trin thought it was like…foreshadowing? But then they didn’t so she feels like it was a pointless detail the movie added.
@@Denturess hey! it isn’t shown in this video but the flowers used for the crown are the same mossy stuff near where sarah fier was buried so it wasn’t unnecessary :) there’s a whole scene in part 1666 where her friends take her down from the tree and bury her with her flower crown!
Totally! I got so annoyed with Trin (love her though) bashing the writing saying it was a huge “plot hole” because it absolutely was not lol. The writing of the trilogy was actually very well done. And the entire point of the series is that Sarah was never a witch, she was just another woman murdered unjustly at the hands of men in a patriarchal society who was damned for the sins of men.
fun fact, the director wasn't convinced about the bread slicer situation, the art department put a watermelon through a bread slicer to prove that a head could go through it and it worked. That's why they put it in the movie xo
From what I saw, the director did want that scene, the ones in the art department are who didn't want it because they thought the bread slicer couldn't do that to a brain, so the director convinced them to buy the machine and do the test with the watermelon, when they saw that it worked they agreed to set the scene.
@@somosestrellas922 Apparently everyone in the room literally cheered when the watermelon went through because they knew they had something so unique and awesome with the breadslicer
They apparently also tested if a head would actually go through with a fake dummy skull with the same qualities as a human skull and they concluded that it would kill someone.
Ditto, they successfully baited us! I thought FOR SURE that Cindy would be the survivor, until the scene where Nick is performing CPR on Ziggy, and her real name is revealed to have been Christine all along.
i can't get over the fact that ziggy apparently told the whole story in the third person LMAO "and then ziggy was almost burned to death and then cindy called ziggy a monster and then ziggy and cindy were stabbed to death"
I didn’t even think about this until reading your comment 💀💀💀 I would’ve broke at some point like “alright enough I’m ziggy, me..I AM. Ok now that that’s out of the way…”
I was in denial about Kate's death scene. When skull mask had her on the table, I wasn't worried at all. just thinking to myself "oh, Josh or Simon is going to save her at the last second like Deena saved Simon from Ruby Lane". Sat in shock as her head went through the bread slicer trying to somehow convince myself that it didn't really happen.
Gut-wrenching scene. Well executed though! I genuinely thought Simon was going to die the moment I saw him on screen, but Kate I truly thought was going to survive. Such a good filmmm!
I was thinking the movie would do one of those freaky Friday tropes where once Sam died everything would go back to normal as if nothing happened and Kate and Simon would still be alive
FR LMAO, i wish she watched it with someone because the "plot holes" aren't plot holes. the trilogy gave so much information about the plot and here she is missing all of it-
I thought Alice’s self harm actually added to show how miserable shadysiders were. Nothing in their life was going well, which was probably why so many of them used drugs and sex as a distraction. And self harm just to feel anything after being desensitised for so long. And her dad going to prison, that shows that life has been fucked up for them across generations, and not just the teens we are watching now.
@@ellamay5675 it’s a slasher film. it’s already gory itself and can be triggering to those who have been a victim to attempted murder so it makes no sense to censor out self harm.
I think the issue was more how it seemed shoved in there, it seemed random when I first watched it too, just didn't seem to fit the scene. There's no problem including it but it would maybe work better in a different context.
@@dulceperez2679 yes to both. It’s a way to make it look like someone is making fun of the curse so people roll their eyes at the idea of it. It’s also just him being a HUGE 💩 because there was no actual reason for him to do it at that point in time other than he could.
i genuinely can’t put into words how much this trilogy means to me. it sounds stupid but as a lesbian seeing the struggles i’ve gone through portrayed in such a clever way in a horror movie was so special and i’d do anything to see these movies for the first time again.
SAME its rlly sad how so many nonlesbians who watched it go directly against what the trilogy is trying to say though :/ like the entire message is about not blaming societys problems onto lesbians yet i see so many ppl blaming the lesbian characters for the events in the movies
This was cowritten by a gay man, so the experiences are still there. I hate when people say Deena is toxic because she isn't. A lot of the straight people say this and it annoys the crap out of me. She's an out teen lesbian in the 90's. Her ex is scared of her sexuality and she's mad about it because she knows how hard it is to gay and she wants Sam to be herself and not take the easy way out. That's something straight people won't understand.
@@Griffnix I'm bi and sorry but I have to disagree a little ? Deena isn't as toxic as people want her to be, I agree on that. But you can't be mad at someone who isn't ready to come out. Like you said, they are lesbians in the 90's. Deena is brave for coming out during that time, honestly I admire her. But she was actually more angry with Sam for the fact that she wasn't ready to be openly lesbian in front of the world. Deena was judging her and was making some nasty remarks. You can be mad because this person hurted you. Sam hurted Deena by starting a new life where Deena didn't belong, was like a stranger. Their first argument felt right for me. But after that, Deena was more mad at Sam for not coming out for her during the 90's. And sorry but you can't force someone to come out and you can't make nasty remarks non stop to that person because they aren't ready and you're not happy about it. I'm happy that Sam finally decided to be open about her sexuality but I would have like someone to point out to Deena that she can be hurt but it doesn't give you permission to put pressure on someone who's hiding in the closet. They are hurting too. We all know the difficulties of coming out and we all say that you have to do it your way, when you're ready. Why it doesn't apply to Deena and Sam here ? I won't say Deena is a toxic person but she did have some toxics behaviour towards Sam in the first movie. Her anger for her lead to her to say stuff that we all know as lgbt+ we don't need to hear when we're not feeling ready to assume ourselves. The stuff like "I'm not pretending to be someone I'm not" with the nasty tone is out of line. I like Deena and Sam as characters and couple, I was so happy to see them as the lead in the movies (except the second film) because finally some representation that is well done. But excusing Deena for shaming Sam because she wasn't out isn't right.
@@maddieatkinson1527 fr! ive seen ppl (especially tiktok comments) say "i wish sam had died and kate had lived" or blame deena for loads of stuff and go in depth as to why 1978 was the best movie, which is fine to say, but the way some of the comments are worded rly gives off "eww lesbians" vibes
@@pyxelly0506 i don't think Deena was mad at Sam, i think Deena was mad about the situation. The fact that they couldn't just be a out couple without facing backlash, the fact that they couldn't even fucking hold their hands without have to listen to some bullshit. And she ended up projecting this on Sam, but i don't think she was mad at Sam. I understand what you're saying but those scenes, in the game and in the hospital, they were angry and when we are angry we ended up saying shit we didn't wanted to, without think about it . It was a argue, and they hurt each other. I think the other scenes with Deena and Sam alone and just chilling talking, and the way they act towards each other and stuff like that, says a lot about their characters and the relationship they had prior the movie.
Well my theory is more that they didn't kill him because Nick is the current Deal-maker, if you kill your own contractor, you kinda messed up because whatever deal you had ended with their death.
@@kenta5871 Hm…I could’ve sworn in the shot of all the Goodes giving a name to the devil that the one who said “Tommy Slater” was young Nick I mean to prove your point, Tommy did axe Nick in the leg when Tommy tried to attack Ziggy… but just before, Tommy grabbed Ziggy by the hair and not Nick which he could have done I don’t know, there’s evidence to justify both our claims
@@Hessonite_Dragon_Helen I thought that he didn't hurt Nick because he was after Ziggy, since her blood got on to the hand. Exactly like what happened with Sam and the killers just running right past Josh
Also, note that canonically Cindy and Alice used to have a thing, and Cindy was hiding herself by being in a relationship with Tommy. So yeah basically, the three movies were about a gay love story. A forbidden love, A secret Love, and A true Love…(1666;1978;1994)
“I am 30 minutes away.” “Might as well be the goddamn moon and you know that.” Yeah I thought that line was really freaking stupid and ridiculous when I first heard it too, but after watching the rest of the trilogy and knowing all that was going down, she actually made perfect sense lol. The disparity between life in Sunnyvale and Shadyside made it so that a 30 minute drive definitely felt much farther and separate than it already was. She was mad that her girlfriend abandoned her to live a fake life in the perfect rich classist town with all the perfect people while she was stuck in the cursed murder town. Completely reasonable.
@@andressotil4671 That’s not the point. They’re obviously able to visit each other, but that doesn’t mean much when it’s like the two towns have this historical mystical feud thats been going on forever and causes one town to constantly suffer while the other town flourishes. It feels like “the goddamn moon” because Shadyside is cursed and in a constant state of turmoil, while Sunnyvale is it’s perfect counterpart with all the good opportunities in life. She felt like she was left in the shitty cursed murder town while her girlfriend escaped to live a perfect life.
Yes to all of that. Also, Deena is still a teenager. And a lot of teenagers feel a lot of emotions at one time. Also, I'm assuming Sam is her first love, and when it comes to first love, that intensity hits differently. So in her mind, 30 minutes probably does feel like Sam is on the moon. That's my interpretation, anyway.
Ok this made me look at the movie in a better way bc when I heard that line, I lost my goddamn mind, especially since I know people who have “longer than 30 min” distance relationships but this comment makes it makes sense
Andres Sotil There probably is but every time Deena rode it, she’d be entering enemy territory where everything is made for her to feel inferior to the people who live there. It’s not just physical difference.
Nick Goode was the sheriff of Sunnyvale, not Shadyside. That’s why the curse was on Shadyside and Sunnyvale seemed perfect. At the end of the movie it shows a car crash when Deena and Sam leave the sheriff’s house to show that the curse has lifted and now bad things can happen in Sunnyvale. Also, the curse is a burden only the first born Goode’s carry, which is why the curse ~should~ end because of Nick’s death.
I was confused about that, and why he was working cases in Shadyside when he was the Sunnyvale Sheriff, but at the end they called him Union County Sheriff, and I believe Union County includes both Shadyside and Sunnyvale.
The whole “virgin girl survives the movie” thing is actually something I read about in a college class about horror movies! It’s called the “final girl” and there’s so many requirements for her. She walks a balance beam between feminine and sweet and masculine and capable. Laurie Strode is like, the blueprint for the final girl. It’s fascinating.
Omg yes!! I took a film class and we talked about this trope. It’s like she’s the light and the killer is the darkness and it’s good vs evil. Since the final girl isn’t sexually available or isn’t drinking or doing drugs, she’s aware of what’s going on than all her friends. That’s why she’s able to survive. There’s actually a book on the final girl trope it’s so fascinating!
You should definitely rewatch the trilogy and pay closer attention to the details because there’s a lot of parallels and symbolism throughout it like the red moss, the intimate moments between Deena and Sam vs Sarah and Hannah, etc. There’s even foreshadowing for example at the vigil when Deena told Sam “maybe if you’re really lucky, you’re the one carrying the knife” which is exactly what ends up happening at the end of 94’
I loved going back to Fear Street 1994 because you can tell that Sarah Fier basically chose Deena and Sam to find her body when she gave them nosebleeds. She's like "Oh these lesbians will understand what I went through". Also the fact that Sarah and Hannah kissed in secret at that rock and how Deena and Sam at the end were openly kissing at the same rock. There's so many parallels in the movies. its a beautiful series.
them having no proof for the girls being witches is not a plot hole whatsoever. back then it was literally like that, if you accused anyone of being a witch, you pretty much didn’t need any proof for them to be executed other than maybe another person supporting your claim
@@xubs5919 every other shows which features Salem knows how witch trials happen in that time and people getting accused without even proving guilty i didn't like her reaction lols there's this youtube channel patty she did reaction too for fear street she's great
Alice's speech before her death hit me as her explaining why she should be allowed to help end the curse. It's weighed her and her family down all their lives, done irreparable harm, and she was right there with the knowledge and the ability to be a part of the solution, so she wanted to be.
I am so embarrassed with how hard I was praising and obsessing over Solomon during 1666💀 With the way he was defending Sarah and how supportive he was. The fact that he seemed to be the only one that wasn’t a crazy religious nut job and how willing he was to put himself in the line of danger first, it made him very attractive to me. I was stanning him so hard and I genuinely thought that their reasong for making his so sweet and caring and lovable was so that it’d hurt more when he got murdered, but nope… he was the villain and he started everything. I was so sad lmfao.
I think what's so good about it it's that's really solid through out the three movies, and had many details connecting them wich i believe works so well bc it was shot as one movie
from a person who almost exclusively consumes horror media, i truly believe this to be one of the best ones. SO much horror makes me feel so empty because it's just pain, so getting to see hope and love and care in a series is so refreshing and makes it so much better. this is why i enjoyed the quiet place and IT so deeply, but fear street truly pulls it off the best. i'm also a sucker for good endings. i cried so hard after finishing it. a masterpiece.
This was an amazing series!! I’m so happy Stine decided to make a horror grown up teen version of goosebumps. Watching the goosebumps shows I always thought “Can he make a grown up version?”
ngl im gonna be honest, this video angered me so much. There was so many details that she left out, like the moss crown at the end of 1666, it supposed to show how the moss grew from the crown hannah miller planted on sarah fier's body. I definitely suggest watching the movie and not just this video so that you can get the whole picture because the movies are actually really well written and there aren't really any "plot holes", its just moments that were left out
I had the same thoughts! I know it's just a reaction video but to claim that this triology has plot holes and wasn't incredibly well thought out isn't fair. I was so impressed when I watched this, the whole production team really killed it and I'm sad for Trin that she didn't get to experience it properly!
Yeah like the "plot hole" where Sarah and Hannah were accused with just words that was labelled as proof isn't a plot hole. It's literally how most accusations and witch executions were carried out back then.
Thank you!!! I honestly love the trilogy and I read a lot of hate about it and idk why! Also this may just be me being petty but the actress that played Deena did really well and when she was talking how the actress(that plays Deena) was doing this thing with her jaw I rewatched it twice and honestly her mouth didn’t seem that weird to me. Plus at this point Deena has a lot of emotions running through her so of course she isn’t going to say it with a super preppy attitude. Then with the plot holes for not having any evidence, not really plot holes. The Crucible is a good example with the girls saying other women and even a few men were saying people were witches. In that time women were basically property with no true freedom so for not just one man but many of them to say that Hannah and Sarah were witches was definitely enough “proof”….for them. Also I agree she should’ve added how she left a lot of stuff out like when Cindy and Ziggy went to dig up the body it wasnt there just a stone saying the witch forever lives and the hand falling in the hole. Then when Sarah’s friends moved her body for a proper burial and that is why she wasn’t there when Ziggy and Cindy first tried to find her. Plus like you say the moss is a very important part of the movie. I think it was a way for Sarah to always have her spot and that one day the truth would be revealed. Like a little reminder so to speak lol
*Explaining the Goode family line still around:* The deal was that the firstborn only had the power to sacrifice people, he just used his power to benefit the rest of his family who probably don’t even know about what he was doing. So Nick, the firstborn, dying ended the deal
Also it makes sense that Solomon lived off the settlement - the entirety of Sunnyvale was forged around there and so they're all protected by the pact with the devil (the Goodes get more benefits from it obviously). But they're living in this perfect little town where nothing bad ever happens and then when those people get hit by the car at the end it shows that bad things can happen to them now (when they couldn't previously), because the curse is broken.
I’m sorry but the line where josh is like “wait YOU’RE Ziggy?” Only makes sense if she told the story in the third person like a book lmao 😭😭 “Cindy and Ziggy ran away from the axe murderer”
She never said she was Cindy though. That’s the twist. Her real name isn’t Ziggy. That’s a nickname. So they just assume she’s Cindy not Ziggy. She just doesn’t disclaim that until that moment
@@Aisha_Luv that IS the whole twist. they didn’t know which c berman she was when telling the story. she could’ve been saying “we did this” , “my sister did this”, “i did this”. and they would never know if she the younger or older sister (aka ziggy or cindy) do to that way of telling the story. all they knew is she was the c berman to survive the camp massacre.
It was a little disappointing that all the complaints were about really important things that you ignored/didn’t pay attention to or just didn’t see the importance in. So many people deal with SH especially due to unfortunate circumstances; it’s extremely plausible that someone deals with SH due to the environment/curse they deal with. Also it was started that it had to be the first-son hence only nick being the last of it.
I think you’re missing her critique. It feels like they just slapped it in there for the sake of it, rather than giving that story line the time and attention it deserves. It felt cheap to just throw it in for 2 scenes and never talk about it or have it be meaningful in anyway
@@smarina251 y’all think they HAVE to dive deep in every character like no they don’t. it simply added that everyone deals with their own shit they didn’t need anymore cause that was it.
Even though it’s new this year. I agree with that!! R.L Stine did an amazing job making a grown up teen version of goosebumps. I liked that I grew up w/ Goosebumps but I wanted him to make it be with older characters
Trin: *"there's plot holes, why they did that? Why they didn't do that? I don't get why they don't think about this, or that"* BABY I WISH I WATCHED THE MOVIE WITH YOU CAUSE YOU ARE NOT GETTING IT LOL
it’s hilarious how the entire time she was watching the second movie she was like “oh the virgin girl - she’s the one that survives” “she’s gonna survive” “it’s always the virgin girl that survives” JDBFKFJFKG
I saw on Tumblr a theory that said Nick was able to resurrect Ziggy with cpr even tho she had multiple stab wouds bc hes a goode and they always get what they want
just for the record, i actually really appreciate that you leave in the parts where you don't get what's happening or miss an important detail/plot point, or where you make a theory that turns out to be wrong, because i miss a shit ton when i'm watching movies lol and sometimes i have to rewatch stuff to actually understand what i saw and it's really cool that you're open about making mistakes or not fully getting it. and not understanding every single aspect of the movie from the very first second doesn't make you any less intelligent or capable :)
Right. It makes it a much more genuine reaction. Like some of us are not that smart to get every plot point and twist the first time lol. Some people in this comment section swear everything they picked up that Trin didn’t get was obvious when it’s just the writers being clever.
Yeah, I think the writers should have played up the cultural difference between Shadyside and Sunnyvale more then they did in the first movie. I think that could have helped that scene as well as the conflict between Cindy & Alice and Cindy & Ziggy. It often seems like they are exaggerating or being dramatic when I don't think that's the case at all.
@@angel-.- i agree! - rewatching it now it makes so much sense because seeing 1994 AND 1978; '78 is what made me realise 'oh shit, this is a deep hatred that's been going on for GENERATIONS' etc - i think in '94 they should've SHOWN the differences rather than TELL us it - deena came across to me initially as 'oh she's ''edgy'' and dramatic,' but now i get what she means.
@@leonie4322 well I mean in that same scene they did really show us. While Sam and deena were arguing it kept flashing back and forth where both Sunnyvale and Shadyside schools were getting into an all out brawl, at a memorial no less. I just think most people accidentally ignored that part by focusing strictly on Sam and deena’s argument and the absurdity of the 30 minutes away comment. But yeah Deena’s initial edginess did take away from that point a bit too
saw a few people talking about how cindy is a canon lesbian and i thought i would point out something. so the red moss that stained cindys shirt was the moss from the area where sarah and hannah kissed in 1666. i probably read too deep into this but i saw it as symbolism that even though cindy got a bf and tried to be straight, she still knew deep down that she was a lesbian and that the moss staining her perfect polo shirt represented that. i apologize if the wording is weird 😭
No it makes perfect sense, I was thinking the same thing! She tries so hard to scrub the lesbian moss away because it represents the part of herself she is repressing
I’ve seen a bunch of other comments with the same theory! I think it makes perfect sense, and it also adds another layer to why Cindy wanted to leave shadyside and disassociate herself from Alice so bad.
Also did u know when Sarah dies and her friends moved her body, Hannah put her moss crown in her grave next to Sarah and then the moss started growing from there on that’s why the forest is full of red moss
@@emyscritters2866 Yeah I love the timelapse shot of Sarah Feir's grave and the moss spreading, especially since while I was watching '94 when sam was crawling out of the car I thought "huh...those don't look like leaves..." But 300 year old moss makes much more sense (not sarcastic)
When I first watched it, I def thought Ziggy was C.Berman BECAUSE NO ONE makes a red-head character a side character, they’re always the center of the story 😂😂 But the casting was a bit confusing bc older Ziggy has a much more narrow face and brown hair
The reason that there are the “twilight moments” it’s because they literally follow the blood the killers are under the Goode’s control. and Sarah said that she will show them the truth, that’s why when a few drops of blood fell on her bones they had this kinda visions (that it was showing them what actually happened), AND then that’s why the killers went after the blood (person) to stop them (the last person that “touched” the bones) from telling the truth to others, so the Goode bloodline could continue with this [I hope I explained myself🤧🥺]
"Why would she kill her own brother?" The witch in Conjuring: *yeets her newborn baby into the fireplace to prove to Satan that she's willing to sacrifice her God-given gift(the baby) for him* 👁👄👁
Theory on the whole Goode bloodline thing: Since it gets handed down to each of the first borns, that could mean that the rest of the family didn't know about the deal with the devil, or couldn't be involved. Then it would make sense that it ends with Nick since he was a first born but didn't have any children yet.
I had thought his brother was older tho and then used the deal to become mayor. Because wasn't his brother the counselor who came over to Ziggy and the assholes in the beginning and told Ziggy she'd be out? I figured he just hadn't told his kids yet bc they looked young from the one photo they showed. Plus, he wound up dying in the end to kind of tie up those loose ends to both get rid of his good fortune and prevent him from continuing the deals with his kids.
Yes. Nick didn't know about the truth until his dad was on his deathbed. He specifically told Nick the family legacy was in his hands or something to that effect.
I usually love Trin reactions but this was one was so nitpicky, frustrating and missed the point so hard, it was literally the 1600s of course women were accused without proof lol, it's not a "plothole", you missed a lot of details and then criticised the movie for your lack of attention
most of her videos are for entertainment purposes, she’s said multiple times in other videos that she might not understand the movie and if that irritates you or you’re looking for something else than this may be a channel you should avoid
Ngl i was screaming at my screen a lot for this one. Little frustrated. Though I also have some criticisms and don't think its perfect, I didn't understand a lot of yours/ some were explained... but I won't get into it bc I don't want to rant. I will say that I absolutely LOVED this trilogy. I think it was a great way to do progressivism w/out just having someone say "patriarchy" or whatever. That line about how the contempt that's bred in class divide is so deep that moving just 30 mins away is like going to "another world" and how that contempt is justified by saying that the poor are just rotten and they deserve it, but really the wealth that the "good" town experiences comes directly at the expense of the "bad" town. It reminded me of Jordan Peele's Us but with a flipped perspective. Also non-politically, I was genuinely surprised at it's brutality. There were a lot of scenes where I was like "no, they aren't really going to ax the sweet little kid... no someone's gonna save this girl. they aren't really gonna slice her head to ribbons." There's also something genuinely tragic in how all of these people trying to be good when everyone expects them to not be had their reputations permanently shattered and their lives cut short because some unassuming clean cut type with a name like "Goode" decided they were worth stepping on to get to the top. We literally saw Sarah's story repeated over and over and still condemned her. Shocked that this was based of a trilogy from the Goosebumps guy.
Also I just gotta add... the blonde manikin that looked like Simon getting axed, though? The red moss forming a heart through the trees? Sarah failing to grab the knife, but succeeding 300 years later through Deena, saving her town with the same knife used to save the pig, "birthing" a new era??? And then they kiss "in broad daylight"???? *Bwah* She said details. They gave us details. Fantastic. The most unrealistic part for me, though, was how neatly things wrapped with the murders being blamed on the Sherriff. Like... why? He never directly killed anyone. All the witchy evidence was gone. You're telling me that the group of people who were already discriminated against and labeled "bad" graffitied the mall with "trusted upstanding rich white guy is actually evil" and then he and two other cops turned up dead after two lesbians, one POC, emerge from the his house drenched in blood, and they DON'T go down for that shit? But whatever. I guess I prefer the happy ending to the more realistic one.
@@honestlythough7250 i know this is late but my thought was that once the deal with the devil/curse was broken, balance had to be restored so near comically things started working out for shadyside while things went to shit with sunnyville. we see this visually through how quickly a freak accident occurred at sunnyville once the curse was broken and how deena and josh's living situation improved within the year at most (cuz they have a good house, but also she's already graduated so the school year should have been done) anyways so these 2 things basically hint that things magically being blamed on nick goode is, well, magical in nature. a rebound if you will, for his deal. especially since the police is in shambles, at least 2 officers and a sherrif were dead, the remaining would find his body with a devil book but nothing else, so how would that prove he killed everyone? especially again with his non self inflicted wounds. so it only makes sense if it was a rebound to balance the world after the Goode's skewed it to one side for so long.
I hate how Nick was like "being the heir apparent isn't so easy 😔" Like literally just don't do the ritual. You could have just done your regular camp thing and gone on with a mediocre life.
I feel like nick was prob pressured into this, all of the goodes had to have been at first. I mean, following a ritual that your ancestors have done and continuing it is pretty hard to just go along with. In the end he fell in too deep and loved everything that came with the curse😟😟
@@trinaq yeah realistically a bread slicer would only be able to cut through the skin and not the skull, and it would take really long to do that. but who cares lol that kill was the best one it doesn’t have to be realistic
there was a video on tiktok that said that the bread slicer would just continuously run on the skull and cause the brain to heat up from the inside out due to the friction
''I don't think a bread slicer can slice a head'' Actually it can, if enough force is applied, Netflix even had scientists go through step by step how the process works. Kate's death still pissed me off though!
I personally loved 1666 the most out of the trilogy. I say that because I just loved the acting and storyline because of how it all came full circle with the twists and turns!
I highly concur! The movies just kept on getting better. I loved how we got to learn more about Sarah, the alleged witch, and how she sacrificed herself for her love Hannah. 1666 also gave me Back to the Future vibes, especially for the third movie, with the entire cast returning to play their own ancestors!
I respect your opinion about alice’s self harm reveal but I completely disagree. I struggled with that too as a teen and I thought it was well done and added to the empathy I felt for her as a character and I think her having those super emotional moments right before dying makes her death even more tragic, gruesome and heartbreaking which I think a good movie is supposed to do. without those emotional moments I wouldn’t have cared as much when she died and I also don’t think we would’ve understood her friendship with cindy in the same way
Exactly. It’s actually really « refreshing » to have these emotional moments in the horror genre. How are you supposed to care about the characters of you don’t connect with them at one point in the movies?
@@BigBobbyWetto but that’s what helps you have a better connection with them for you to actually feel something when they die. If we didn’t have an emotional connection to a character as they get murdered we would most likely be like “oh shoot that’s pretty gruesome” but nothing else
Oh I also wanted to point out the the "trial" was not a plot hole. It's totally normal for people of that time period to grab onto a lie and roll with it. Especially when they already think a person is bad for not fitting in with the religious thinkings. The headband was a setup for the moss that ultimately marked Sarah's grave and hand, part of the key to stopping the curse.
I am so happy and annoyed that younger people don't understand how hard it was to be LGBTQ even in the 90s. I was kicked out of a family gathering for being bi... and it took years for them to speak to me. First one was very Screamish and I loved that. I actually LOVED Ruby's voice. She wasn't dead again... she was possessed.
not having proof for them being witches was the point, a huge message of the trilogy is a critique on how society blames its problems onto queer people (specifically lesbians)
wait how does society blame their problems on lesbians/queer people? im bi i'm not disagreeing but i actually just want to be informed if you feel like it HAHA
@@tablecloth1943 i think they’re talking about how in the movie 1666 and in that era lesbianism was seen as a sin and as the movie portrays it people thought it was like welcoming the devil into their bodies. nowadays i think this is pretty rare i’m not sure tho don’t take my word for it
No its about how sceptical people were in those times, you could be accused of anything without proof and theyd execute you. It didnt just happen to lgbt people, it happened to all races, all genders. People let fear consume them.
@@biancaanicama7227 ahh thankyou !! i totally get that, i just am a bit confused on how society blames queer people now days. Maybe its because i have heard like really extreme christians blame things on queer people for example saying that the reason for coronavirus is because god is punishing our society for being sinful (talking about gay ppl)
@@Crow23346 that is also true but lesbianism is a key part of the trilogy and you cant deny that. theres a reason LESBIANS were blamed for the towns problems AND theres a reason LESBIANS saved the town
@@hiroko7983 in ziggy's case, it's pretty heavily implied that it worked because of the deal nick made-- the massacre was caused by him so he should have been able to magically spare her. i thought it was ridiculous when i saw it too but after the reveal in the third movie it makes more sense, especially considering how hard he was trying to keep her out of the attacks that he caused.
Okay, pretty sure other people have said this, but I just had to pause and say it's not a plot hole. That's a pretty common thing back in the 1600s. It's why the Salem witch trials happened in the first place. Women were persecuted for all manner of things and men blamed it all on witchcraft. There were never any sort of proof except "the words and testimonies of 'witnesses'", which was enough to incite fear and panic. It was very tragic and very unfair and many women were killed for no reason while villagers gave into fear and superstition.
Anyone else noticed how they baited us with a "fake person" in every part? I thought Sam would be the guy who grabs her ass in the first part but nope, it's the girl. In part 2 we're being led to believe that Cindy is the one to survive only for it to be her sister. And in part 3 we realize who the real bad guy is and that the witch was innocent all along.
@@Kanufsc0 Yeah I saw the preppy football dude and I was like “GURL, are u sure that’s the type of dude ur into??” LMAOO 😭😭 It seemed like such a mismatch until Sam was revealed to be a girl lol
trin really disappointed me with this one, sis just wasn’t getting it when it was crystal clear in her face. like how did it fly over her head that nick was the one possessing the dead people. HOW
i cant believe in a horror movie about a witch possessing everyone trin was talking about the logistics of a bread slicer slicing through someones skull
I don't think that it was a plot hole, they didn't need proof, like Hannah said “it doesn’t matter if we did it or not. they think we’re guilty, so we are.”. They wanted someone to blame so they sacrificed a woman, which was very common back then. Also even if they did think, 'why would she want to kill her own brother?', most of them know she probs has nothing to do with it but need someone to blame, to settle the village so they are no longer scared.
if you watched the post credits scene you will see that someone grabbed the book at the end and leigh janiak said she has plans for that. not just the goode's can do the curse but anyone who says the "spell" to set the curse
I want them to make an anthology series or something to show off every other name on that witch rock. We got to see three, but I want to see Ruby Lane. I want to see the creepy kid and the milkman... Well maybe not the milkman... He had some pervy undertones that I didn't like.
i would love a billy barker or ruby lane movie. it would be really cool as well if they kept flipping back to present day with sam, deena, josh, martin and ziggy trying to put the killers to rest or something idk.
Just to clear a few things up, the reason killing Nick finished the curse was because nobody else except from him knew that it was happening, the rest of the bloodline had no idea that he was making this deal with the devil therefore nobody could continue the deal :)
(I don't mean for this to come out rude if it does lol), but the reason that the curse finished after Deena killed Nick because when Solomon made the deal with the devil in 1666, it had been said somewhere that the person in charge with continuing with deal is the firstborn. Nick who is older than Will (his brother, the Mayor), is the only person who could have continued the deal because he was the firstborn and only the firstborns can keep the tradition going. Since he didn't have any kids, they wouldn't be able to continue it, therefore it ended.
also this if from someone else in the comment section but i think they explain it a LOT better than me: " If you’re confused, they said that the direct first born son of each generation will be the one to pass down the tradition. Younger brothers and relatives don’t count, the only reason why they still benefit from the curse is because they have connections to Goode, but they aren’t the ones personally doing the ritual (which is why they can no longer continue it if the first born is dead since Sheriff Goode didn’t have a child.) It’s firstborn to firstborn, it’s not a role that gets given to the next person in line if the firstborn dies prematurely"
the way the only unrealistic thing about Kate’s death is how fast it happened because if it was real life that would’ve been torture cause it would cut right through skin but it would take much longer to cut through skull so it would be painful as fuck
@@justnathan3183 yeah but the dead guy is being brought back to life by a magical element in the show. Kate is dying from a very human and physical object in the real world. I feel like it's different because the only unrealistic things are the things directly tied to the possessed and the devils. idk tho xD
I’m pretty sure the bloodline ends with Nick because he is the first born son and didn’t have any children. Though his brother was successful, since Nick was running everything, he probably made it so that his brother also had a good life. But once Nick died, his brother immediately started to lose his good life.
Yes, and since it was passed only to the firstborn, it is possible that the rest of the family may not even know about it. If they do, they may not know enough details of how it works to continue since nobody probably bothered explaining it to anyone but the firstborn (since they had all this good luck and probably didn't expect anyone to ever catch on).
Nick was the oldest of his siblings the whole thing is that the oldest son is supposed to carry on the curse/deal, so he was supposedly was the only one who knew, and since Nick didnt have any kids, no one could carry on the curse
I just want to clarify that she didnt get accused of beeing a witch for beeing a lesbian but because the guy got rejected and wanted revenge on both of them like the weird things already happened they just needed somone to blame them on
No she did get accused of being a witch bc she is a lesbian that’s the point of the guy at the podium outing them and her saying she lay with the devil and brought Hannah with her that’s their bias bc that was considered corruption of innocents back then
@@chloeroses1231 i think maybe what they mean is that even though they got HUNG for being lesbians, the reason the guy accused them and made a big deal about it in the first place was maybe because he got rejected and wanted them to pay
@@chloeroses1231 yes but they didnt know that the Person that saw them was goode he said that to get revenge in them both to let it seem like they both are witches so its not really cause they're lesbians cause that concept wasnt really present in the 15th century
i know that "avoiding the curse by wearing a polo" doesn't make sense but at the same time... it does? sometimes people don't think logically to run away from something
The trials were incredibly realistic to the real Salem Witch Trials where men would accuse women of “laying with the devil” and appearing before them as a naked apparition, with no other witnesses. The judges of the Salem trials actually said that the only witnesses to a crime of witch craft are the perpetrator and the victim. So people would accuse women, sex workers, unlikable people, etc and their word would be taken as fact. People would consciously lie and condemn people to death when they KNOW they didn’t do anything to anyone. 1666 got it right.
I actually like all the movies. They were entertaining and when watching I didn't find any major plot holes. It seemed well written and well made, I also like how the Deena/Sam relationship was natural and not like some over the top/stereotypical thing, it was a normal relationship that just happened to be between two girls
this trilogy was one of my favorite things i have seen all year. leigh janiak and the actors did a fantastic job. my favorite was 1666 just bc the storytelling, the parallels from all three times. i love how leigh incorporated scenes that parallel other popular horror films. also... SARAH AND HANNAH DESERVED BETTER AND OUR FINAL GIRLS SAM AND DEENA FUCK THE GOODES
The crown was made of the moss, the crown being dropped was a callback to that stone being absolutely covered in moss (you might say that im only partily thru). also i dont consider these plot holes but rather the writers purpusfully making it so no evidence makes sense, to make the villagers seem eager to just kill, probably like a lot of actual witch trials in the past (im guessing most never really had evidence and would just throw people under the bus).
Even though I don't agree with you on a LOT of things (the acting, the writing timing,...), which is okay obviously, it's always so fun to watch people make theories while watching the movies and sometimes go in the completely wrong direction of what's going to happen
If you’re worried about how you might look if you die to a serial killer’s knife, Function of Beauty is for you. You don’t want to smell bad, have bad skin, and damaged hair during your final moments now do you?
HEY IF YOU WANNA SKIP THE SELF HARM IT'S ACTUALLY AT 31:05 IDK IF IT WAS JUST FOR ME BUT THAT TIMESTAMP TAKES ME BACK IN THE VIDEO NOT FORWARD
oh shit ur right i’m so sorry!!!! pinning this now
Oooh ty!
HEART STOPPERRRRRR
@Preminger Is Our Lord and Saviour yesss im so excited for the netflix adaptation 🏃💨💨💨
Thank you sm!!
it’s not a “plot hole” that he didn’t have proof that she was a witch because women were accused and killed for being witches without any proof in real life. it makes complete sense that they would believe him over women they thought to be lesbians causing their town to be cursed. it’s literally like hannah said “it doesn’t matter if we did it or not. they think we’re guilty, so we are.”
That’s not what she meant. She said it was a plot hole bc she thought the story was gonna use the crown as plot. I haven’t watched it yet but trin thought it was like…foreshadowing? But then they didn’t so she feels like it was a pointless detail the movie added.
@@Denturess hey! it isn’t shown in this video but the flowers used for the crown are the same mossy stuff near where sarah fier was buried so it wasn’t unnecessary :) there’s a whole scene in part 1666 where her friends take her down from the tree and bury her with her flower crown!
@@Denturess maybe watch it then lol
@@anyavrs I think it's a symbolism that Hannah gave Sarah the crown and now their love grows even years later
Totally! I got so annoyed with Trin (love her though) bashing the writing saying it was a huge “plot hole” because it absolutely was not lol. The writing of the trilogy was actually very well done. And the entire point of the series is that Sarah was never a witch, she was just another woman murdered unjustly at the hands of men in a patriarchal society who was damned for the sins of men.
wathcing you complain about how petty the witch is while sitting here and knowing full well it isn’t the witch’s fault is thoroughly entertaining
it really is lmao
Exactly
ong😭💀
IT’S KILLING ME THAT SHE DIDN’T SEE THE SCENE AFTER THE CREDITS
@@stefaniejianne7994 OMFG SAME LMAOOO
fun fact, the director wasn't convinced about the bread slicer situation, the art department put a watermelon through a bread slicer to prove that a head could go through it and it worked. That's why they put it in the movie xo
From what I saw, the director did want that scene, the ones in the art department are who didn't want it because they thought the bread slicer couldn't do that to a brain, so the director convinced them to buy the machine and do the test with the watermelon, when they saw that it worked they agreed to set the scene.
@@somosestrellas922 Apparently everyone in the room literally cheered when the watermelon went through because they knew they had something so unique and awesome with the breadslicer
also i’m pretty sure leigh said kate was supposed to put skull face through the slicer instead of the other way around
Pretty sure the director was the one who wanted it and asked them to test it to see how it would work in real life.
They apparently also tested if a head would actually go through with a fake dummy skull with the same qualities as a human skull and they concluded that it would kill someone.
having trin rant about how cindy is going to be the one to survive only for her to die is so funny to me
Ikr
i just smiled so wide every time she brought it up
@@sarahlenke me too
Ditto, they successfully baited us! I thought FOR SURE that Cindy would be the survivor, until the scene where Nick is performing CPR on Ziggy, and her real name is revealed to have been Christine all along.
fr i was like oh boi u are wrong
"We already know she's the one that survives"
I CACKLED.
STOP EVERYTIME SHE SAID THAT I WAS LIKE "🤕😬😭"
everytime she said that i went “haha....”
If only she knew... Cindy DEFINITELY deserved better!
@@trinaq I KEEP SEEING YOU EVERYWHERE ON FEAR STREET VIDEOS LMAO
@@ccamilacedeno lmao same
i can't get over the fact that ziggy apparently told the whole story in the third person LMAO "and then ziggy was almost burned to death and then cindy called ziggy a monster and then ziggy and cindy were stabbed to death"
"as nick and ziggy kissed in the science and nature cabin they heard a scream..."
I didn’t even think about this until reading your comment 💀💀💀 I would’ve broke at some point like “alright enough I’m ziggy, me..I AM. Ok now that that’s out of the way…”
THE THOUGHT OF THAT IS KILLING ME (although I imagine she said "my sister"/"me and my sister" or something like that)
EXACTLY THATS WHAT I WAS THINKING
@@stellae.procidens same
as a lesbian it meant SO MUCH to me that not only did they survive but they ENDED UP together. it was so fucking epic.
Right usually in horror movies POC and the LGBTQ characters die first so it's nice to see a lesbain couple and black characters make it to the end
Yeah that was the bigger plot twist of the movie if anything lmao
@@kelsey4593 they steel did it lo,l in first one the guy was gay and the other girl was asian right ????
Eh the first movie was ass but part two and three was good
@@stevebean8675 Technically they didn’t die first
I was in denial about Kate's death scene. When skull mask had her on the table, I wasn't worried at all. just thinking to myself "oh, Josh or Simon is going to save her at the last second like Deena saved Simon from Ruby Lane". Sat in shock as her head went through the bread slicer trying to somehow convince myself that it didn't really happen.
Gut-wrenching scene. Well executed though! I genuinely thought Simon was going to die the moment I saw him on screen, but Kate I truly thought was going to survive. Such a good filmmm!
I was thinking the movie would do one of those freaky Friday tropes where once Sam died everything would go back to normal as if nothing happened and Kate and Simon would still be alive
Kate's screaming in the moments before she was killed was what got to me the most
@@clarisa6511 YES
NO BC LITERALLY, it hurt watching that scene
"I'm the only one here using my mind" GIRL ARE YOU SURE CUZ YOU MISSED THE WHOLE PLOT
FR LMAO, i wish she watched it with someone because the "plot holes" aren't plot holes. the trilogy gave so much information about the plot and here she is missing all of it-
PLEASE IM LAUGHING
Exactly I was so into it
Kate and Young Ziggy were THOSE GIRLS, THEY WILL FOREVER BE HORROR ICONS
Yes
Preach, they are the Queens of Horror, in 1994 and 1978, respectively! 👻😱🔪
Sarah Fier is the true gangsta lmao she chased the devil for 300 years. Queen.
I will forever be mad that Kate died
I feel like Cindy too
the girl whos scared of everything returns
Yes, it's always a great day when Trin uploads!
Love ur pfp
I thought Alice’s self harm actually added to show how miserable shadysiders were. Nothing in their life was going well, which was probably why so many of them used drugs and sex as a distraction. And self harm just to feel anything after being desensitised for so long. And her dad going to prison, that shows that life has been fucked up for them across generations, and not just the teens we are watching now.
true
@@ellamay5675 it’s a slasher film. it’s already gory itself and can be triggering to those who have been a victim to attempted murder so it makes no sense to censor out self harm.
I think the issue was more how it seemed shoved in there, it seemed random when I first watched it too, just didn't seem to fit the scene. There's no problem including it but it would maybe work better in a different context.
They included it because those are the actors real scars
also, simon is wearing the same bracelets as alice in the first movie.
sheriff goode was the one that did the graffiti and blamed it on marvin, he even said “you’re right, these are my cans”
the way martin knew goode was evil only due to literally police butality.
wait but why did he do that? like did it serve a greater purpose? or was it just goode being a terrible person?
@@dulceperez2679 it was to keep the blame of the curse off of the Goodes and instead keep the legend of “Sarah’s Curse” alive.
@@dulceperez2679 yes to both. It’s a way to make it look like someone is making fun of the curse so people roll their eyes at the idea of it. It’s also just him being a HUGE 💩 because there was no actual reason for him to do it at that point in time other than he could.
@@skyeperez8305 This movie really said ACAB.
i genuinely can’t put into words how much this trilogy means to me. it sounds stupid but as a lesbian seeing the struggles i’ve gone through portrayed in such a clever way in a horror movie was so special and i’d do anything to see these movies for the first time again.
SAME its rlly sad how so many nonlesbians who watched it go directly against what the trilogy is trying to say though :/ like the entire message is about not blaming societys problems onto lesbians yet i see so many ppl blaming the lesbian characters for the events in the movies
This was cowritten by a gay man, so the experiences are still there. I hate when people say Deena is toxic because she isn't. A lot of the straight people say this and it annoys the crap out of me. She's an out teen lesbian in the 90's. Her ex is scared of her sexuality and she's mad about it because she knows how hard it is to gay and she wants Sam to be herself and not take the easy way out. That's something straight people won't understand.
@@Griffnix I'm bi and sorry but I have to disagree a little ? Deena isn't as toxic as people want her to be, I agree on that. But you can't be mad at someone who isn't ready to come out. Like you said, they are lesbians in the 90's. Deena is brave for coming out during that time, honestly I admire her. But she was actually more angry with Sam for the fact that she wasn't ready to be openly lesbian in front of the world. Deena was judging her and was making some nasty remarks. You can be mad because this person hurted you. Sam hurted Deena by starting a new life where Deena didn't belong, was like a stranger. Their first argument felt right for me. But after that, Deena was more mad at Sam for not coming out for her during the 90's. And sorry but you can't force someone to come out and you can't make nasty remarks non stop to that person because they aren't ready and you're not happy about it. I'm happy that Sam finally decided to be open about her sexuality but I would have like someone to point out to Deena that she can be hurt but it doesn't give you permission to put pressure on someone who's hiding in the closet. They are hurting too. We all know the difficulties of coming out and we all say that you have to do it your way, when you're ready. Why it doesn't apply to Deena and Sam here ?
I won't say Deena is a toxic person but she did have some toxics behaviour towards Sam in the first movie. Her anger for her lead to her to say stuff that we all know as lgbt+ we don't need to hear when we're not feeling ready to assume ourselves. The stuff like "I'm not pretending to be someone I'm not" with the nasty tone is out of line. I like Deena and Sam as characters and couple, I was so happy to see them as the lead in the movies (except the second film) because finally some representation that is well done. But excusing Deena for shaming Sam because she wasn't out isn't right.
@@maddieatkinson1527 fr! ive seen ppl (especially tiktok comments) say "i wish sam had died and kate had lived" or blame deena for loads of stuff and go in depth as to why 1978 was the best movie, which is fine to say, but the way some of the comments are worded rly gives off "eww lesbians" vibes
@@pyxelly0506 i don't think Deena was mad at Sam, i think Deena was mad about the situation. The fact that they couldn't just be a out couple without facing backlash, the fact that they couldn't even fucking hold their hands without have to listen to some bullshit. And she ended up projecting this on Sam, but i don't think she was mad at Sam.
I understand what you're saying but those scenes, in the game and in the hospital, they were angry and when we are angry we ended up saying shit we didn't wanted to, without think about it .
It was a argue, and they hurt each other.
I think the other scenes with Deena and Sam alone and just chilling talking, and the way they act towards each other and stuff like that, says a lot about their characters and the relationship they had prior the movie.
Nick is a sunnyvaler, the killers aren't interested in them and that's why Tommy didn't kill Nick, just injuring him as he got in the way.
Well my theory is more that they didn't kill him because Nick is the current Deal-maker, if you kill your own contractor, you kinda messed up because whatever deal you had ended with their death.
@@Hessonite_Dragon_Helen Nick was not the contractor in 1978, which is when OP was referring to. So no, that’s not why they didn’t kill him lol.
@@kenta5871
Hm…I could’ve sworn in the shot of all the Goodes giving a name to the devil that the one who said “Tommy Slater” was young Nick
I mean to prove your point, Tommy did axe Nick in the leg when Tommy tried to attack Ziggy…
but just before, Tommy grabbed Ziggy by the hair and not Nick which he could have done
I don’t know, there’s evidence to justify both our claims
@@Hessonite_Dragon_Helen I thought that he didn't hurt Nick because he was after Ziggy, since her blood got on to the hand. Exactly like what happened with Sam and the killers just running right past Josh
@@jamiedraper8031
No that was after the Science and Nature scene which is the part I’m talking about
Also, note that canonically Cindy and Alice used to have a thing, and Cindy was hiding herself by being in a relationship with Tommy. So yeah basically, the three movies were about a gay love story. A forbidden love, A secret Love, and A true Love…(1666;1978;1994)
The actors who play the characters and their co stars all actually ship Cindy and Alice
@@Cinnamongirl109 yes and the director confirmed it!
@@ameliamalorni34 omg really! I didn’t know that 😭
@@ameliamalorni34 so we weren’t delusional after all
@@Cinnamongirl109 Nope! 😅
“I am 30 minutes away.” “Might as well be the goddamn moon and you know that.”
Yeah I thought that line was really freaking stupid and ridiculous when I first heard it too, but after watching the rest of the trilogy and knowing all that was going down, she actually made perfect sense lol. The disparity between life in Sunnyvale and Shadyside made it so that a 30 minute drive definitely felt much farther and separate than it already was. She was mad that her girlfriend abandoned her to live a fake life in the perfect rich classist town with all the perfect people while she was stuck in the cursed murder town. Completely reasonable.
Are you telling me there isn't a bus that runs through both towns?
@@andressotil4671 That’s not the point. They’re obviously able to visit each other, but that doesn’t mean much when it’s like the two towns have this historical mystical feud thats been going on forever and causes one town to constantly suffer while the other town flourishes. It feels like “the goddamn moon” because Shadyside is cursed and in a constant state of turmoil, while Sunnyvale is it’s perfect counterpart with all the good opportunities in life. She felt like she was left in the shitty cursed murder town while her girlfriend escaped to live a perfect life.
Yes to all of that. Also, Deena is still a teenager. And a lot of teenagers feel a lot of emotions at one time. Also, I'm assuming Sam is her first love, and when it comes to first love, that intensity hits differently. So in her mind, 30 minutes probably does feel like Sam is on the moon. That's my interpretation, anyway.
Ok this made me look at the movie in a better way bc when I heard that line, I lost my goddamn mind, especially since I know people who have “longer than 30 min” distance relationships but this comment makes it makes sense
Andres Sotil There probably is but every time Deena rode it, she’d be entering enemy territory where everything is made for her to feel inferior to the people who live there. It’s not just physical difference.
it makes more sense that ziggy lived after being stabbed so many times because nick can get whatever he wants
Yess I understood that after 1666
Yea ziggy could’ve literally died multiple times in a row and he can make her come back every time if he feels like it
Nick Goode was the sheriff of Sunnyvale, not Shadyside. That’s why the curse was on Shadyside and Sunnyvale seemed perfect. At the end of the movie it shows a car crash when Deena and Sam leave the sheriff’s house to show that the curse has lifted and now bad things can happen in Sunnyvale. Also, the curse is a burden only the first born Goode’s carry, which is why the curse ~should~ end because of Nick’s death.
I was confused about that, and why he was working cases in Shadyside when he was the Sunnyvale Sheriff, but at the end they called him Union County Sheriff, and I believe Union County includes both Shadyside and Sunnyvale.
Wasnt his brother the one who crashed the car at the end? And so, his brother died too?
i think he was the sherif of the whole county, but lived in sunnyvale
no, that was a random guy
@@ratonzafiris No it was just a random Sunnyvale person
That one girl randomly saying she saw her dad go to jail is serving me Lemonade Mouth looking the clouds then saying "My dad's in prison"
Omg same😭
Please 🤣🤣 not the lemonade mouth reference !!!
😂😂
LMFAOOOO
HAHAHAUSFSHASJ
Girl how did you not understand that the killers only go for Shadysiders cause they’re the ones cursed 😭
The whole “virgin girl survives the movie” thing is actually something I read about in a college class about horror movies! It’s called the “final girl” and there’s so many requirements for her. She walks a balance beam between feminine and sweet and masculine and capable. Laurie Strode is like, the blueprint for the final girl. It’s fascinating.
Omg yes!! I took a film class and we talked about this trope. It’s like she’s the light and the killer is the darkness and it’s good vs evil. Since the final girl isn’t sexually available or isn’t drinking or doing drugs, she’s aware of what’s going on than all her friends. That’s why she’s able to survive. There’s actually a book on the final girl trope it’s so fascinating!
yep horror movies 101
@@jasongonzalez3983 oh may i know what the book is called?
@@Purpelspy yes! It’s Men, Women, and Chain Saws: Gender in the Modern Horror Film by Carol J Clover
@@jasongonzalez3983 Dead Meat Fan?
TURN IT UP GAYS WE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS ONE. OUR LORD AND SAVIOR
YUP
YEAH!!
YEAHH
Yes, Trin is our Queen! 👑😍
Literally blasting this video on my speakers as we speak
You should definitely rewatch the trilogy and pay closer attention to the details because there’s a lot of parallels and symbolism throughout it like the red moss, the intimate moments between Deena and Sam vs Sarah and Hannah, etc. There’s even foreshadowing for example at the vigil when Deena told Sam “maybe if you’re really lucky, you’re the one carrying the knife” which is exactly what ends up happening at the end of 94’
I loved going back to Fear Street 1994 because you can tell that Sarah Fier basically chose Deena and Sam to find her body when she gave them nosebleeds. She's like "Oh these lesbians will understand what I went through". Also the fact that Sarah and Hannah kissed in secret at that rock and how Deena and Sam at the end were openly kissing at the same rock. There's so many parallels in the movies. its a beautiful series.
The fact that the lesbians both survived is so sexy to me
AND (mostly) ALL THE POC
@@YanAsims So true we love to see it!
and this is why it’s a great thing to b a lesbian 🥰
ikk
Innit
them having no proof for the girls being witches is not a plot hole whatsoever. back then it was literally like that, if you accused anyone of being a witch, you pretty much didn’t need any proof for them to be executed other than maybe another person supporting your claim
exactly. they didn't need any proof. it's weird cause she mentions Salem at the begining but doesn't seem to really get how it was lmao
exactly
@@xubs5919 every other shows which features Salem knows how witch trials happen in that time and people getting accused without even proving guilty i didn't like her reaction lols there's this youtube channel patty she did reaction too for fear street she's great
Lol see I would say Trin should know that bc of the Crucible but then I remembered she was homeschooled she probably didnt have to read it
@@ivinmichaila373 yes I saw her reactions too & I loved them
Alice's speech before her death hit me as her explaining why she should be allowed to help end the curse. It's weighed her and her family down all their lives, done irreparable harm, and she was right there with the knowledge and the ability to be a part of the solution, so she wanted to be.
I am so embarrassed with how hard I was praising and obsessing over Solomon during 1666💀 With the way he was defending Sarah and how supportive he was. The fact that he seemed to be the only one that wasn’t a crazy religious nut job and how willing he was to put himself in the line of danger first, it made him very attractive to me. I was stanning him so hard and I genuinely thought that their reasong for making his so sweet and caring and lovable was so that it’d hurt more when he got murdered, but nope… he was the villain and he started everything. I was so sad lmfao.
same reaction, i was like "oh my god he's so nice 😍" but then i kind of figured out the twist before they showed it.
PLEASE WHEN I FOUND OUT MY SMILE FADED SO FAST
SAME I THOUGHT HE WAS SO HOT and then I was like- oh
no bc this was literally me with nick in the second movie😐💔
You can’t trust anybody in these types of movies
Best interconnected horror trilogy ever imo, the overarching story came together so well and with every detail explained by the end. Love it.
It’s a good series yes, but I don’t think it’s the best ever lmao
I think what's so good about it it's that's really solid through out the three movies, and had many details connecting them wich i believe works so well bc it was shot as one movie
from a person who almost exclusively consumes horror media, i truly believe this to be one of the best ones. SO much horror makes me feel so empty because it's just pain, so getting to see hope and love and care in a series is so refreshing and makes it so much better. this is why i enjoyed the quiet place and IT so deeply, but fear street truly pulls it off the best. i'm also a sucker for good endings. i cried so hard after finishing it. a masterpiece.
a quiet place* oops
This was an amazing series!! I’m so happy Stine decided to make a horror grown up teen version of goosebumps. Watching the goosebumps shows I always thought “Can he make a grown up version?”
ngl im gonna be honest, this video angered me so much. There was so many details that she left out, like the moss crown at the end of 1666, it supposed to show how the moss grew from the crown hannah miller planted on sarah fier's body. I definitely suggest watching the movie and not just this video so that you can get the whole picture because the movies are actually really well written and there aren't really any "plot holes", its just moments that were left out
Yeah it was so frustrating, i know it's just a silly reaction but lol, not paying attention and then calling out the movie for "plot holes"
I had the same thoughts! I know it's just a reaction video but to claim that this triology has plot holes and wasn't incredibly well thought out isn't fair. I was so impressed when I watched this, the whole production team really killed it and I'm sad for Trin that she didn't get to experience it properly!
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU
Yeah like the "plot hole" where Sarah and Hannah were accused with just words that was labelled as proof isn't a plot hole. It's literally how most accusations and witch executions were carried out back then.
Thank you!!! I honestly love the trilogy and I read a lot of hate about it and idk why! Also this may just be me being petty but the actress that played Deena did really well and when she was talking how the actress(that plays Deena) was doing this thing with her jaw I rewatched it twice and honestly her mouth didn’t seem that weird to me. Plus at this point Deena has a lot of emotions running through her so of course she isn’t going to say it with a super preppy attitude. Then with the plot holes for not having any evidence, not really plot holes. The Crucible is a good example with the girls saying other women and even a few men were saying people were witches. In that time women were basically property with no true freedom so for not just one man but many of them to say that Hannah and Sarah were witches was definitely enough “proof”….for them. Also I agree she should’ve added how she left a lot of stuff out like when Cindy and Ziggy went to dig up the body it wasnt there just a stone saying the witch forever lives and the hand falling in the hole. Then when Sarah’s friends moved her body for a proper burial and that is why she wasn’t there when Ziggy and Cindy first tried to find her. Plus like you say the moss is a very important part of the movie. I think it was a way for Sarah to always have her spot and that one day the truth would be revealed. Like a little reminder so to speak lol
*Explaining the Goode family line still around:* The deal was that the firstborn only had the power to sacrifice people, he just used his power to benefit the rest of his family who probably don’t even know about what he was doing. So Nick, the firstborn, dying ended the deal
exactlyy
THANK YOU I WAS LOOKING FOR THIS COMMENT
also the fact that nicks first son died in the beginning of 1994
Also it makes sense that Solomon lived off the settlement - the entirety of Sunnyvale was forged around there and so they're all protected by the pact with the devil (the Goodes get more benefits from it obviously). But they're living in this perfect little town where nothing bad ever happens and then when those people get hit by the car at the end it shows that bad things can happen to them now (when they couldn't previously), because the curse is broken.
Lana J who was nick’s first son?
I’m sorry but the line where josh is like “wait YOU’RE Ziggy?” Only makes sense if she told the story in the third person like a book lmao 😭😭
“Cindy and Ziggy ran away from the axe murderer”
she could’ve just been saying “my sister did this” “we did this” etc. to keep it vague on which c berman she was
i literally never thought about this till now 💀
She never said she was Cindy though. That’s the twist. Her real name isn’t Ziggy. That’s a nickname. So they just assume she’s Cindy not Ziggy. She just doesn’t disclaim that until that moment
@@boop6169 yes but irl, you'd be saying "i kissed nick good. My sister did so and so" so the only twist is that her name is ziggy/christene lol
@@Aisha_Luv that IS the whole twist. they didn’t know which c berman she was when telling the story. she could’ve been saying “we did this” , “my sister did this”, “i did this”. and they would never know if she the younger or older sister (aka ziggy or cindy) do to that way of telling the story. all they knew is she was the c berman to survive the camp massacre.
It was a little disappointing that all the complaints were about really important things that you ignored/didn’t pay attention to or just didn’t see the importance in. So many people deal with SH especially due to unfortunate circumstances; it’s extremely plausible that someone deals with SH due to the environment/curse they deal with. Also it was started that it had to be the first-son hence only nick being the last of it.
Yupppp
this
I think you’re missing her critique. It feels like they just slapped it in there for the sake of it, rather than giving that story line the time and attention it deserves. It felt cheap to just throw it in for 2 scenes and never talk about it or have it be meaningful in anyway
@@smarina251 y’all think they HAVE to dive deep in every character like no they don’t. it simply added that everyone deals with their own shit they didn’t need anymore cause that was it.
@@smarina251or we can just add subtle things for certain characters without having to create a whole storyline based off of it! 🤗🤗
These movies are so iconic. Our icon has blessed us
I love your pfp!
@@marilydemers9317 Thank you
Even though it’s new this year. I agree with that!! R.L Stine did an amazing job making a grown up teen version of goosebumps. I liked that I grew up w/ Goosebumps but I wanted him to make it be with older characters
Trin: *"there's plot holes, why they did that? Why they didn't do that? I don't get why they don't think about this, or that"*
BABY I WISH I WATCHED THE MOVIE WITH YOU CAUSE YOU ARE NOT GETTING IT LOL
EXACTLY
haha same
literally brain empty
I WAS GETTING SO UPSET LMAO I WAS LIKE “THEY DON’T NEED PROOF THAT THEY ARE A WITCH, THEY ARE MEN THEREFORE THEY ARE RIGHT” 😭😭
ME TOO LMAOOOO
it’s hilarious how the entire time she was watching the second movie she was like “oh the virgin girl - she’s the one that survives” “she’s gonna survive” “it’s always the virgin girl that survives” JDBFKFJFKG
And then she died, proving that this movie trilogy doesn't follow as many cliches as she thought
yea and then when she didnt, im surprised she didnt say something like "oh wow she didnt survive like i thought she was going to"
the way i could tell this movies were directed by a woman without looking it up, just from how the tension and romance was build. love that.
yess! you can tell the female gaze was in all the romances!
@@xoxoperlaa YESSSS!
@@xoxoperlaa even nick and ziggy UGH i hate him but they were kinda cute smh
@@izabellecfreitas8592rightt
I saw on Tumblr a theory that said Nick was able to resurrect Ziggy with cpr even tho she had multiple stab wouds bc hes a goode and they always get what they want
That's actually a great theory, and I feel dumb for not thinking that lol.
Thats not a theory, that's literally explained in the last movie
@@raqueladonis5374 when i saw the theory, the third movie hasn't came out yet
just for the record, i actually really appreciate that you leave in the parts where you don't get what's happening or miss an important detail/plot point, or where you make a theory that turns out to be wrong, because i miss a shit ton when i'm watching movies lol and sometimes i have to rewatch stuff to actually understand what i saw and it's really cool that you're open about making mistakes or not fully getting it. and not understanding every single aspect of the movie from the very first second doesn't make you any less intelligent or capable :)
Right. It makes it a much more genuine reaction. Like some of us are not that smart to get every plot point and twist the first time lol. Some people in this comment section swear everything they picked up that Trin didn’t get was obvious when it’s just the writers being clever.
Also when Deena says: "It might as well be a world away and you know it." She means the cultural difference of Shadyside, and Sunnyvale
yh i was surprised trin didn’t pick up on that tbh
Yeah, I think the writers should have played up the cultural difference between Shadyside and Sunnyvale more then they did in the first movie. I think that could have helped that scene as well as the conflict between Cindy & Alice and Cindy & Ziggy. It often seems like they are exaggerating or being dramatic when I don't think that's the case at all.
@@angel-.- i agree! - rewatching it now it makes so much sense because seeing 1994 AND 1978; '78 is what made me realise 'oh shit, this is a deep hatred that's been going on for GENERATIONS' etc - i think in '94 they should've SHOWN the differences rather than TELL us it - deena came across to me initially as 'oh she's ''edgy'' and dramatic,' but now i get what she means.
@@leonie4322 well I mean in that same scene they did really show us. While Sam and deena were arguing it kept flashing back and forth where both Sunnyvale and Shadyside schools were getting into an all out brawl, at a memorial no less. I just think most people accidentally ignored that part by focusing strictly on Sam and deena’s argument and the absurdity of the 30 minutes away comment. But yeah Deena’s initial edginess did take away from that point a bit too
EXACTLY THANK U
saw a few people talking about how cindy is a canon lesbian and i thought i would point out something. so the red moss that stained cindys shirt was the moss from the area where sarah and hannah kissed in 1666. i probably read too deep into this but i saw it as symbolism that even though cindy got a bf and tried to be straight, she still knew deep down that she was a lesbian and that the moss staining her perfect polo shirt represented that. i apologize if the wording is weird 😭
No it makes perfect sense, I was thinking the same thing! She tries so hard to scrub the lesbian moss away because it represents the part of herself she is repressing
I’ve seen a bunch of other comments with the same theory! I think it makes perfect sense, and it also adds another layer to why Cindy wanted to leave shadyside and disassociate herself from Alice so bad.
Also did u know when Sarah dies and her friends moved her body, Hannah put her moss crown in her grave next to Sarah and then the moss started growing from there on that’s why the forest is full of red moss
@@emyscritters2866 Yeah I love the timelapse shot of Sarah Feir's grave and the moss spreading, especially since while I was watching '94 when sam was crawling out of the car I thought "huh...those don't look like leaves..."
But 300 year old moss makes much more sense (not sarcastic)
@@daisycosima3600 i completely agree with this but the term "lesbian moss" is the funniest thing ever💀💀
she hated nick goode before knowing what he even did. that’s some strong spidey senses right there
Every time Trin talks about Cindy being the one to survive I’m just sitting there like girrrrllll you got another thing coming
Righttt like sis, think again
When I first watched it, I def thought Ziggy was C.Berman BECAUSE NO ONE makes a red-head character a side character, they’re always the center of the story 😂😂 But the casting was a bit confusing bc older Ziggy has a much more narrow face and brown hair
The twist with C Berman REALLY caught me off guard. Deena and Sam were so adorably pure together! 👭💘
I thought Ziggy was C Berman the whole because I somehow didn't notice at all the Cindy's initials were CB
istg we have the exact same interests i see you in so many comment sections.
@@modestoctopus14 same, everyone was like “omg that plottwist caught me off guard” and i was like “what plottwist??”
I guessed it maybe half way through, it was a great plot twist! I love misdirects
The reason that there are the “twilight moments” it’s because they literally follow the blood
the killers are under the Goode’s control.
and Sarah said that she will show them the truth, that’s why when a few drops of blood fell on her bones they had this kinda visions (that it was showing them what actually happened), AND then that’s why the killers went after the blood (person) to stop them (the last person that “touched” the bones) from telling the truth to others, so the Goode bloodline could continue with this
[I hope I explained myself🤧🥺]
"Why would she kill her own brother?"
The witch in Conjuring: *yeets her newborn baby into the fireplace to prove to Satan that she's willing to sacrifice her God-given gift(the baby) for him* 👁👄👁
Theory on the whole Goode bloodline thing:
Since it gets handed down to each of the first borns, that could mean that the rest of the family didn't know about the deal with the devil, or couldn't be involved.
Then it would make sense that it ends with Nick since he was a first born but didn't have any children yet.
yea that's it. it's only the first born and since nick didn't have any sons or any kids at all for that matter, the curse ended with him
I had thought his brother was older tho and then used the deal to become mayor. Because wasn't his brother the counselor who came over to Ziggy and the assholes in the beginning and told Ziggy she'd be out? I figured he just hadn't told his kids yet bc they looked young from the one photo they showed. Plus, he wound up dying in the end to kind of tie up those loose ends to both get rid of his good fortune and prevent him from continuing the deals with his kids.
Yes! And also I think maybe the hand grabbing the book at the end could be a Goode, since they would know where to find it if he told them
@@maxride445 afaik kurt the ahole counselor who tries to kick ziggy out isn't related, will goode was the younger brother and sheila's friend
Yes. Nick didn't know about the truth until his dad was on his deathbed. He specifically told Nick the family legacy was in his hands or something to that effect.
I usually love Trin reactions but this was one was so nitpicky, frustrating and missed the point so hard, it was literally the 1600s of course women were accused without proof lol, it's not a "plothole", you missed a lot of details and then criticised the movie for your lack of attention
pee pee poo poo
yeah idk why but this frustrated me so much
Same tbh, it’s like she’s just nitpicking everything about the movie for no reason just to seem quirky.
To be fair that’s a typical Trin reaction
most of her videos are for entertainment purposes, she’s said multiple times in other videos that she might not understand the movie and if that irritates you or you’re looking for something else than this may be a channel you should avoid
"I mean you gotta hate the cop in a horror movie "
LMFAO WHO GONNA TELL HER?
LMAO
Ngl i was screaming at my screen a lot for this one. Little frustrated. Though I also have some criticisms and don't think its perfect, I didn't understand a lot of yours/ some were explained... but I won't get into it bc I don't want to rant.
I will say that I absolutely LOVED this trilogy. I think it was a great way to do progressivism w/out just having someone say "patriarchy" or whatever. That line about how the contempt that's bred in class divide is so deep that moving just 30 mins away is like going to "another world" and how that contempt is justified by saying that the poor are just rotten and they deserve it, but really the wealth that the "good" town experiences comes directly at the expense of the "bad" town. It reminded me of Jordan Peele's Us but with a flipped perspective. Also non-politically, I was genuinely surprised at it's brutality. There were a lot of scenes where I was like "no, they aren't really going to ax the sweet little kid... no someone's gonna save this girl. they aren't really gonna slice her head to ribbons." There's also something genuinely tragic in how all of these people trying to be good when everyone expects them to not be had their reputations permanently shattered and their lives cut short because some unassuming clean cut type with a name like "Goode" decided they were worth stepping on to get to the top. We literally saw Sarah's story repeated over and over and still condemned her. Shocked that this was based of a trilogy from the Goosebumps guy.
Also I just gotta add... the blonde manikin that looked like Simon getting axed, though? The red moss forming a heart through the trees? Sarah failing to grab the knife, but succeeding 300 years later through Deena, saving her town with the same knife used to save the pig, "birthing" a new era??? And then they kiss "in broad daylight"???? *Bwah* She said details. They gave us details. Fantastic.
The most unrealistic part for me, though, was how neatly things wrapped with the murders being blamed on the Sherriff. Like... why? He never directly killed anyone. All the witchy evidence was gone. You're telling me that the group of people who were already discriminated against and labeled "bad" graffitied the mall with "trusted upstanding rich white guy is actually evil" and then he and two other cops turned up dead after two lesbians, one POC, emerge from the his house drenched in blood, and they DON'T go down for that shit? But whatever. I guess I prefer the happy ending to the more realistic one.
this is so wonderful ily
@@honestlythough7250 i know this is late but my thought was that once the deal with the devil/curse was broken, balance had to be restored so near comically things started working out for shadyside while things went to shit with sunnyville. we see this visually through how quickly a freak accident occurred at sunnyville once the curse was broken and how deena and josh's living situation improved within the year at most (cuz they have a good house, but also she's already graduated so the school year should have been done) anyways so these 2 things basically hint that things magically being blamed on nick goode is, well, magical in nature. a rebound if you will, for his deal. especially since the police is in shambles, at least 2 officers and a sherrif were dead, the remaining would find his body with a devil book but nothing else, so how would that prove he killed everyone? especially again with his non self inflicted wounds. so it only makes sense if it was a rebound to balance the world after the Goode's skewed it to one side for so long.
I hate how Nick was like "being the heir apparent isn't so easy 😔"
Like literally just don't do the ritual. You could have just done your regular camp thing and gone on with a mediocre life.
Or just, like, move...ya know? Mans had options
Why did i assume u meant nicki minja🤪💅🏽💀
I feel like nick was prob pressured into this, all of the goodes had to have been at first. I mean, following a ritual that your ancestors have done and continuing it is pretty hard to just go along with. In the end he fell in too deep and loved everything that came with the curse😟😟
someone doesn't know what its like to have the pressure of your family to be a certain way
@@yasminemixon9340 So that excuses him killing a bunch of people and cursing an entire town ?
fun fact they literally tested the bread slicer with a watermelon and a mimic of a human skull and it actually works in real life 😭
Wow, I hadn't realised that! Would knew that a bread slicer could be a lethal weapon?!
@@trinaq yeah realistically a bread slicer would only be able to cut through the skin and not the skull, and it would take really long to do that. but who cares lol that kill was the best one it doesn’t have to be realistic
@@aromanticism it horrified me tbh. Truly one of the worst ways to die.
there was a video on tiktok that said that the bread slicer would just continuously run on the skull and cause the brain to heat up from the inside out due to the friction
I mean Ryan has supernatural strength to smoothly and forcefully pass Kate through the machine
''I don't think a bread slicer can slice a head''
Actually it can, if enough force is applied, Netflix even had scientists go through step by step how the process works. Kate's death still pissed me off though!
I personally loved 1666 the most out of the trilogy. I say that because I just loved the acting and storyline because of how it all came full circle with the twists and turns!
Same, it kept me captivated the whole movie.
for me 1666 was good, but 1984 was the best one out of them and that inevitably made 1666 worse in comparison
sorry! 1978
I highly concur! The movies just kept on getting better. I loved how we got to learn more about Sarah, the alleged witch, and how she sacrificed herself for her love Hannah. 1666 also gave me Back to the Future vibes, especially for the third movie, with the entire cast returning to play their own ancestors!
@@trinaq I agree sm!
I respect your opinion about alice’s self harm reveal but I completely disagree. I struggled with that too as a teen and I thought it was well done and added to the empathy I felt for her as a character and I think her having those super emotional moments right before dying makes her death even more tragic, gruesome and heartbreaking which I think a good movie is supposed to do. without those emotional moments I wouldn’t have cared as much when she died and I also don’t think we would’ve understood her friendship with cindy in the same way
totally agree
I agree with your opinion!
Exactly. It’s actually really « refreshing » to have these emotional moments in the horror genre. How are you supposed to care about the characters of you don’t connect with them at one point in the movies?
@Anna Levy No point of building up a character if you're going to kill them just a few minutes later.
@@BigBobbyWetto but that’s what helps you have a better connection with them for you to actually feel something when they die. If we didn’t have an emotional connection to a character as they get murdered we would most likely be like “oh shoot that’s pretty gruesome” but nothing else
The fact they played David Bowie while revealing who Ziggy was? Perfection, actually perfection everyone else can go home
Oh I also wanted to point out the the "trial" was not a plot hole. It's totally normal for people of that time period to grab onto a lie and roll with it. Especially when they already think a person is bad for not fitting in with the religious thinkings. The headband was a setup for the moss that ultimately marked Sarah's grave and hand, part of the key to stopping the curse.
Simon and Kate's deaths still emotionally Scar me almost a month later. Who knew that a bread slicer could be traumatising?! 😭💔
I may just be dramatic but that bread slicer still gives me nightmares I swear and I watch scary movies constantly 😖
When I tell you I was devastated 😭💔
i legit gagged :)
@@RightAsRainCreations same I almost threw up
For some reason the gore didn't bother me extremely by the time they died so I was just saying shit over and over again instead of being disgusted
I am so happy and annoyed that younger people don't understand how hard it was to be LGBTQ even in the 90s. I was kicked out of a family gathering for being bi... and it took years for them to speak to me. First one was very Screamish and I loved that. I actually LOVED Ruby's voice. She wasn't dead again... she was possessed.
cindy and ziggy running from all the killers and dying together rlly made me ball my eyes out-
ik ziggy doesn’t die
@@graciend Technically she did lol
@@MrRobertGillani mean she locks herself away for years
not having proof for them being witches was the point, a huge message of the trilogy is a critique on how society blames its problems onto queer people (specifically lesbians)
wait how does society blame their problems on lesbians/queer people? im bi i'm not disagreeing but i actually just want to be informed if you feel like it HAHA
@@tablecloth1943 i think they’re talking about how in the movie 1666 and in that era lesbianism was seen as a sin and as the movie portrays it people thought it was like welcoming the devil into their bodies. nowadays i think this is pretty rare i’m not sure tho don’t take my word for it
No its about how sceptical people were in those times, you could be accused of anything without proof and theyd execute you. It didnt just happen to lgbt people, it happened to all races, all genders. People let fear consume them.
@@biancaanicama7227 ahh thankyou !! i totally get that, i just am a bit confused on how society blames queer people now days.
Maybe its because i have heard like really extreme christians blame things on queer people for example saying that the reason for coronavirus is because god is punishing our society for being sinful (talking about gay ppl)
@@Crow23346 that is also true but lesbianism is a key part of the trilogy and you cant deny that. theres a reason LESBIANS were blamed for the towns problems AND theres a reason LESBIANS saved the town
It always makes me laugh how Nick thought CPR would save Ziggy from her STAB WOUNDS
And then it does! Like what the heck!
And the epi pen thing too!
@@hiroko7983 in ziggy's case, it's pretty heavily implied that it worked because of the deal nick made-- the massacre was caused by him so he should have been able to magically spare her. i thought it was ridiculous when i saw it too but after the reveal in the third movie it makes more sense, especially considering how hard he was trying to keep her out of the attacks that he caused.
@@lena-ex4ey there’s also the fact that her lungs were likely full of blood, so CPR would’ve helped at least a little bit
trin watching the movie literally in front of her face and still missing the plot is my favorite aesthetic 😍
LMAOOOOO
lmaoo
Okay, pretty sure other people have said this, but I just had to pause and say it's not a plot hole. That's a pretty common thing back in the 1600s. It's why the Salem witch trials happened in the first place. Women were persecuted for all manner of things and men blamed it all on witchcraft. There were never any sort of proof except "the words and testimonies of 'witnesses'", which was enough to incite fear and panic. It was very tragic and very unfair and many women were killed for no reason while villagers gave into fear and superstition.
Anyone else noticed how they baited us with a "fake person" in every part? I thought Sam would be the guy who grabs her ass in the first part but nope, it's the girl. In part 2 we're being led to believe that Cindy is the one to survive only for it to be her sister. And in part 3 we realize who the real bad guy is and that the witch was innocent all along.
Its kinda fun but i have feelings that sam was the girl idk
This movie was meant to subvert out expectations at every step and I loved it.
@@Kanufsc0 Yeah I saw the preppy football dude and I was like “GURL, are u sure that’s the type of dude ur into??” LMAOO 😭😭 It seemed like such a mismatch until Sam was revealed to be a girl lol
@@kas_ualties7692 yeah i was thinking the same lol😭
imma be honest, only the last one got me. maybe bc I literally forgot the names so quickly so I thought the whole time that ziggy was c berman
trin: talking about how cindy is gonna survive
me: knowing who actually survives
the fact that trin didn't guess that cindy was a lesbian is just...so surprising
RIGHTTTT the whole symbolism with the moss…😭💔
Cindy was a lesbian?
@@andrewcary9360 yeah :) the producers and emily rudd confirmed she was in love with alice and vice versa
ALSO I LOVE HOW YOU COORDINATE YOUR OUTFITS W THE MOVIES
Trin hating Nick Goode from the start is such great character judgement 💁🏾♀️
trin really disappointed me with this one, sis just wasn’t getting it when it was crystal clear in her face. like how did it fly over her head that nick was the one possessing the dead people. HOW
Trin: "I am a slave to requests :)
Dylan: NEVER EVER suggest things i do NOT take suggestions
and they still all react to the same stuff (Ash too)
@@amalia9285 literally my top 3 movie reaction channels lol
@@ariyatabassumabdullah1143 the holy trinity (haha trin-ity)
@@Marsa11 genius lol. Also I love your pfp. Kat Stratford will forever be my feminist icon.
@@amalia9285 literally love Ash, but Dylan, I can’t I swear he always misses the point…I was done w/ him after Jennifer’s Body
i cant believe in a horror movie about a witch possessing everyone trin was talking about the logistics of a bread slicer slicing through someones skull
I don't think that it was a plot hole, they didn't need proof, like Hannah said “it doesn’t matter if we did it or not. they think we’re guilty, so we are.”. They wanted someone to blame so they sacrificed a woman, which was very common back then. Also even if they did think, 'why would she want to kill her own brother?', most of them know she probs has nothing to do with it but need someone to blame, to settle the village so they are no longer scared.
if you watched the post credits scene you will see that someone grabbed the book at the end and leigh janiak said she has plans for that. not just the goode's can do the curse but anyone who says the "spell" to set the curse
I want them to make an anthology series or something to show off every other name on that witch rock. We got to see three, but I want to see Ruby Lane. I want to see the creepy kid and the milkman... Well maybe not the milkman... He had some pervy undertones that I didn't like.
i would love a billy barker or ruby lane movie. it would be really cool as well if they kept flipping back to present day with sam, deena, josh, martin and ziggy trying to put the killers to rest or something idk.
Replace the milkman with the killer who was wearing the gas mask, look like such an interesting character and we got n o t h i n g
@@Lynn-mm5fd “Grifter Guts Girls” is also like, the most ambiguous (and most catchy) headline we got, and there’s no other context??? I’m so intrigued
i would love a ruby lane movie, i kept saying i was interested in her story
I mean, they did show a hand picking up a book at the end of 1666, so they might be planning something
Just to clear a few things up, the reason killing Nick finished the curse was because nobody else except from him knew that it was happening, the rest of the bloodline had no idea that he was making this deal with the devil therefore nobody could continue the deal :)
(I don't mean for this to come out rude if it does lol), but the reason that the curse finished after Deena killed Nick because when Solomon made the deal with the devil in 1666, it had been said somewhere that the person in charge with continuing with deal is the firstborn. Nick who is older than Will (his brother, the Mayor), is the only person who could have continued the deal because he was the firstborn and only the firstborns can keep the tradition going. Since he didn't have any kids, they wouldn't be able to continue it, therefore it ended.
also this if from someone else in the comment section but i think they explain it a LOT better than me:
" If you’re confused, they said that the direct first born son of each generation will be the one to pass down the tradition. Younger brothers and relatives don’t count, the only reason why they still benefit from the curse is because they have connections to Goode, but they aren’t the ones personally doing the ritual (which is why they can no longer continue it if the first born is dead since Sheriff Goode didn’t have a child.) It’s firstborn to firstborn, it’s not a role that gets given to the next person in line if the firstborn dies prematurely"
the way the only unrealistic thing about Kate’s death is how fast it happened because if it was real life that would’ve been torture cause it would cut right through skin but it would take much longer to cut through skull so it would be painful as fuck
Fun fact: the production team wasn’t even sure a skull could do that in a bread slicer, so they tested it on a watermelon.
not the dead guy brought back to life by the devil?
@@justnathan3183 yeah but the dead guy is being brought back to life by a magical element in the show. Kate is dying from a very human and physical object in the real world. I feel like it's different because the only unrealistic things are the things directly tied to the possessed and the devils. idk tho xD
@@twimmy1581 yeah but maybe he's super strong...
I’m pretty sure the bloodline ends with Nick because he is the first born son and didn’t have any children. Though his brother was successful, since Nick was running everything, he probably made it so that his brother also had a good life. But once Nick died, his brother immediately started to lose his good life.
Yes, and since it was passed only to the firstborn, it is possible that the rest of the family may not even know about it. If they do, they may not know enough details of how it works to continue since nobody probably bothered explaining it to anyone but the firstborn (since they had all this good luck and probably didn't expect anyone to ever catch on).
Nick was the oldest of his siblings the whole thing is that the oldest son is supposed to carry on the curse/deal, so he was supposedly was the only one who knew, and since Nick didnt have any kids, no one could carry on the curse
nick goode: *is literally talking about bugs*
trin: *”ACID? YOU NEED ACID? THAT’S TOO FAR”*
I personally like the reveal with Alice because it deepens and humanizes her character, and shows the contrast of the person we first met.
exactly! it’s a great character reveal moment in my opinion. it made me feel a lot more empathy for her and made it even more tragic when she died
damn it was kinda sad seeing trin miss all these huge plot points skfsafdsk still love her though
I just want to clarify that she didnt get accused of beeing a witch for beeing a lesbian but because the guy got rejected and wanted revenge on both of them like the weird things already happened they just needed somone to blame them on
No she did get accused of being a witch bc she is a lesbian that’s the point of the guy at the podium outing them and her saying she lay with the devil and brought Hannah with her that’s their bias bc that was considered corruption of innocents back then
@@chloeroses1231 i think maybe what they mean is that even though they got HUNG for being lesbians, the reason the guy accused them and made a big deal about it in the first place was maybe because he got rejected and wanted them to pay
@@chloeroses1231 yes but they didnt know that the Person that saw them was goode he said that to get revenge in them both to let it seem like they both are witches so its not really cause they're lesbians cause that concept wasnt really present in the 15th century
i know that "avoiding the curse by wearing a polo" doesn't make sense but at the same time... it does? sometimes people don't think logically to run away from something
It's literally"fake it 'til you make it" what's not to understand? Lol
Alice's death upset me so much man. Right after her lil speech. She deserved better. ;-;
29:51 Nick doesn’t get it, we hate our siblings but we’d die for them.
Only children, smh
Sibling energy! May not get along with them, but you still love them.
@@Cristina5753 nick had a brother tho😅
@@belmarshall9103 Ohh😯 I didn’t actually watch the movie tho, so I was just basing it off what was included in this video
@@Cristina5753 the movies are amazing, i recommend them!! and yeah, nick has one younger brother
deena put shoes on sam when she was possessed and it’s so cute to me- but like also funny asf
The trials were incredibly realistic to the real Salem Witch Trials where men would accuse women of “laying with the devil” and appearing before them as a naked apparition, with no other witnesses.
The judges of the Salem trials actually said that the only witnesses to a crime of witch craft are the perpetrator and the victim. So people would accuse women, sex workers, unlikable people, etc and their word would be taken as fact. People would consciously lie and condemn people to death when they KNOW they didn’t do anything to anyone. 1666 got it right.
“It’s so upsetting when I’m caught being dumb on camera” that sent me
this trilogy was so good I can't even put it into words like... it's horror without being too scary AND there's lesbians??? honey I'm in
right⁉️ the intense parts got me clenching
I actually like all the movies. They were entertaining and when watching I didn't find any major plot holes. It seemed well written and well made, I also like how the Deena/Sam relationship was natural and not like some over the top/stereotypical thing, it was a normal relationship that just happened to be between two girls
this trilogy was one of my favorite things i have seen all year. leigh janiak and the actors did a fantastic job. my favorite was 1666 just bc the storytelling, the parallels from all three times. i love how leigh incorporated scenes that parallel other popular horror films. also...
SARAH AND HANNAH DESERVED BETTER AND OUR FINAL GIRLS SAM AND DEENA
FUCK THE GOODES
The crown was made of the moss, the crown being dropped was a callback to that stone being absolutely covered in moss (you might say that im only partily thru). also i dont consider these plot holes but rather the writers purpusfully making it so no evidence makes sense, to make the villagers seem eager to just kill, probably like a lot of actual witch trials in the past (im guessing most never really had evidence and would just throw people under the bus).
“seems a bit unrealistic to me” she says as
a witch who possesses dead people is on trying to kill them 😭😭😭
Even though I don't agree with you on a LOT of things (the acting, the writing timing,...), which is okay obviously, it's always so fun to watch people make theories while watching the movies and sometimes go in the completely wrong direction of what's going to happen
Trin: critizes Sam's posture
Me: sits straight
SAAAAME
“Like what is not clicking here?”
None of the three movies clicked for her bro 😭
i am genuinely sad that trin didn't see the book get taken at the end credits
If you’re worried about how you might look if you die to a serial killer’s knife, Function of Beauty is for you.
You don’t want to smell bad, have bad skin, and damaged hair during your final moments now do you?
It might sound like I’m making fun of Trin or Function of Beauty, that’s not my goal at all. I’m just tying the sponsor to the video.
@@D0CT0RS133P it didn't sound like that ur good lol I get what you're doing