High Airflow Ghost S1 Build - Negative Pressure FTW
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SFF Custom loop incoming after Computex.
Ghost S1 or Ncase M1 guys?
I'm looking for that Ncase M1.
Ghost S1 for sure
Ncase M1 pls
Ghost because of challenge
Ncase M1
the artifacts/glitch at 7:40 while you were talking about undervolting was a nice touch.
I clicked on this video thinking it was about an external gpu enclosure. It's shocking that that's a complete system! Nice vid :)
Welcome to sub-10L SFF PC. It's the Wild West.
Have a look at the thor-zone mjolnir cases
@@lewisebdon2292 For my needs, I'd rather have a Sliger SM550.
I hope you grow even more than you have in this last year. one of THE best quality videos on one of THe MOST consistent channels, thank you for all the videos, and keep up the PC builds.
Did exactly the same thing on my Ghost S1, runs quiet and cool like a charm
how cool?
@Sean Biganski Yep, two Noctua NF-A12x25 PWM
@@firepro20 Don't remember the actual numbers, but never had more than a fairly mild warm breeze coming out of the top
Nice!! What specs have you got? Did you undervolt your GPU?
@@zqott7954 In the Ghost I have an i7 8700, air cooled w/ Noctua NH-L12 and a MSi 1060 GX, two M.2 NVME, the SF450W psu from corsair - all left as-is. Born as a travel build so water was no option.
Just want to say how refreshing for me it was to find this channel. Someone who knows what he's talking about, great content and production quality, to the point, no stupid thumbnails or clickbait video titles like so many others etc. Keep up the good work!
The case sits too low...raising it would improve the temps by couple of degrees, I bet.
But yeah, the negative pressure is underrated or even seen as something...negative (heh), but it gives excellent results in some cases, especially small ones (and even in some "regular" ones like NZXT H500)...
take this like from me for that pun
He had 3D printed feet to rise the Ncase up by a few cm :)
Even if I can't afford any of this I still watch this guy mesmerizing content
Ordered my Ghost S1 end of January and I am still waiting for it to be shipped.... Awesome video though Ali!
HU88ICANE you got a lot of patience
amazing video! Could be awesome to see the Db levels in each graphic too.
it works! just by reversing the air direction on bottom fan made my setup -4°C cooler! Thanks!!
Nice build!
I wonder in a build with 2 L-TopHats (ie one would be a bottom-hat actually), so that both CPU & GPU are water-cooled so that each Hat would have a 240 radiator & 2x120 fans, which would be better:
A) both hats' fans blow UP-wards (assuming to work in synergy with air convection) - ie bottom fans would blow IN the case;
B) both hats' fans blow OUT-wards (creating negative pressure inside the case so that it sucks air from the sides, instead of the bottom) - ie bottom fans would blow DOWN in the case
NOTE: consider that in such build the rest of motherboard components would need ventilation, so there're 3 basic cases there I think:
1) in the above case A, there should be general upward air flow thru the case assuming it would be enough to cool down MoBo - would it?
2) in the above case B, the case would suck air from the sides, because of the negative air-pressure, so would that be enough to cool down MoBo?
3) if both above cases are not good enough perhaps sticking couple of small & low-profile fans (like for example NF-A4x10 fans) to the side of the case directly over the hottest areas of the MoBo? I guess the last case would work better with the case B ie working in synergy with the negative flow?
Great video as always. Quality is top notch. This was exactly what I was looking for, I am doing the medium tophat with 2 120s, if it ever shows up from my order in October...
It's getting ridiculous.
Love your content bro. It's unique and I'm happy that you focus on the pieces of hardware that interest you.
Could you do a review on the Nouvolo steck?? Being a cheaper, less premium version of the Ghost S1
Same, seriously considering the steck.
Yes please can you would like to see how it stacks up Nouvolo Steck looks great
And the steck is available!
Just built my first SFX PC. Fan noise and gpu thermal was giving me a headache. This guide saved me!! Thank you
Been waiting so long to get my Ghost, Louqe have got to get their shit together. So far theyve taken my money and given me hopes and prayers.
Houze you got a lot of patience there
Did you get it?
You can put the Accelero III on the 2080Ti inside your Ncase M1 and get pretty decent temperatures (especially coupled with your undervolt).
@OptimumTech, I'm currently building my S1 batch 4 and was able to get a full sized 120mm corsair ML series fan below the PSU running in exhaust mode. Using a corsair platinum PSU with the premium cables, all it took was some clever cable management but I definitely have somewhere between .05cm and 1 cm clearance with the fan spinning unimpeded. Just a note for those looking at this build. I will running the 3900x with a noctua L12 (discontinued version) and a 2070 super FE. I'm hoping thermals with this slightly less powerful card will be good with just the 1 fan. Otherwise I'll be getting that medium top hat.
Custom loop in Ghost S1 please! Jayztwocents did one but didn't review thermals.
I think Jayz ran into too many issues and couldn't get reliable results, that's why there was never a follow-up. But not 100% on that.
The slow mo at 1:23 is totally gear porn
vKeeblerElfv pR0n
It's been a while since I last watched something this satisfying in a tech channel.
I guess i'm small form factor enthousiast, and you sir are doing small ff better than anyone out there :)
Awesome video. And custom loop both!
Great vid :) I honestly think that the RTX FE is the best looking card. The design is beautiful.
Again thank you for all the hard work and your focus on SFF! My vote is to do the custom loop in --- "Why can't we have both?" Cheers.
7:12 That sound tho
Excellent video and top quality as always.
I recently completed a custom loop in my Ghost S1 and would love to see you do one too. Interesting video with negative pressure, I always felt the biggest thing missing from the Dan A4-SFX was top exhaust fans.
Deff the Ncase M1. It would be more challenging sure but would have a lower foot print and would be way more satisfying at the end.
Thanks TH-cam recommendation 😄
Beautiful video!
It’s amazing how much engineering must go into these cases cramming as much support for components into such a small space, that is solely why I prefer SFF over standard ATX.
Would love to see a full custom loop in the M1, I think it has the most potential of the 2 because of the space to side mount a 240mm rad + slim 240mm at the bottom. The challenge is the pump and res ofcourse.
Maybe you can mod the case. Cut open the front cover and add one more intake fan for fresh cool air, you can also add rise up the case a bit so the intake bottom fan can pull cooler air from the bottom. Also one last thing, maybe consider HDPlex PSU? Just for consideration, I haven't though about the power requirement though
Great content!
Please do the NCASE M1!
Really enjoying these vids! I want to do a small gaming build but do not have the budget of the corsair one! These seem like my next best option! Thanks!!
You did it! Thanks for making this video!
Hey Ali! Are you going to review the Model O?
i really wish more brands would make cases like this one
nbc89 Nouvolo Steck
My 1080 in the NCase runs at 42° under load... But with an external MoRa tucked under my desk :D Nice video though my man! You were the one to bring me to the Ncase and I can't be happier!
Thats weird, I guess my dislike of reference cards has meaning. I have the Gigabyte Windforce 2080Ti overclocked to almost 2000mhz and i’m at 77c* with no extra fans..
Edit* Same case btw. Also have 8700k oc to 5ghz at 66c. Case is good :)
Voca loholic hi, thanks for the information, from what you said, you meant that gigabyte gpu fits in the ghost s1 nicely ?
@@VechaiKoban Yes, i have the windforce model
@@mdc4911 I'm interested in buying the VGA, could you please tell me whether you can put on the sidepanel with that Gigabyte Windforce 2080Ti OC
Minh Nguyen yea i have the side panels on of course
But can you actually purchase a Ghost S1 right now and expect to get one with no issues in a reasonable amount of time?
Alex Browne important question need to be answered
Only if you’re a TH-cam reviewer
I recently purchased one with two large top hats and had no problems with shipping or missing parts. I’m very happy with Louqe and their product. They were very honest and open about their delivery dates and even me getting my money back if certain delivery/shipping related production dates weren’t met.
I click Optimum Tech, I enjoy.
Oh God pls do a custom loop in the ghost. I am getting ready to do my build and would love to see a good example.
Interesting to see that the Ghost actually matches the Ncase temps. Would have expected it to be louder though, due to the smaller cpu cooler.
+1 for custom cooling in the Ghost
can not wait to see what you do with the new ryzen chips and x570 micro atx boards when they hit.
I just finished my build in the S1. I got 2 AIO in my 1080ti on a kraken g12 bracket works great never tops 48 C at full load.
I wonder how it looks. Can you share a pictures?
I agree that the Ghost S1 looks nice in silver. It's a shame that the company is a mess. I see so many complaints about Louqe.
The nCase M1 offers support for up to two 240mm radiators while the Ghost S1 would have to become significantly taller with two "top hats" to accommodate that (if you could even get them with Louqe being as it is) so I would personally go with the nCase M1, but of course I'm more biased toward the M1 because I own one and it remains my favorite. I can get good cooling into it and it's not as cramped to work with as some other SFF cases. The size of the M1 is the "sweet spot" IMO.
You may personally favor doing the watercooling build in the Ghost S1 since you've had the nCase M1 so much longer thus the Ghost S1 is newer / more interesting. If you have the parts just do whatever you want to do, Ali.
If I had the resources to do so I'd be trying all sorts of SFF builds as well. But presently, I'm attempting to finish the open loop for my full ATX build in the Lian Li O11 Dynamic. The only upgrade for my SFF build lately was getting a smaller mechanical keyboard, the EC Plum 84 Pro.
Nice. I did a 1080 8600k in a sugo sg13. Fit a h60i with a second fan too. With noctuas the cpu oc at 4ghz never tops 60. The gpu +125mhz hits 73 with demciflex filter on the intake side. 65 without. Ambients 20.
Sorry, I am kind of confused by what you meant with ”the bottom fan running in exhaust isn’t going to work you less you can find a fan grill to fit in that tiny square”. Did you meant that it might be easy for cable to be caught in the bottom fan if it's running in exhaust? Thanks!
The sound @7:12 gave me goose bumps.
Such a beautiful case.
Water cooling in the ghost S1 would be really intresting!
Really good channel man. Hello from France :)
My only problem with negative pressure is that the small openings of the case get stuck with dust over time...
The perforated case panels have round holes with a bit of spacing, so something like 30-40% airflow. Wonder why the manufacturer - and other manufacturers, for that matter - with such confined spaces do not opt for honeycomb/mesh patterns, which can allow as much as 60% airflow.
Because aesthetics.
I don't understand why enthusiasts are "disappointed" at thermals when pairing FE reference GPU's with mini ITX cases...you can't be THAT naive
I have a dream...
Medium bottom extension with 120mm cpu aio and 2 , 25mm fans blowing in. Delidded direct die conductonaut 9900k and triple fan 2080ti temps in mid 70's. Both max oc. Not enough? Small tophat with 2 slim fans blowing out at the top what will reduce temp with 5 degr c. All fans set to low noise, max 1500rpm . 16k 3dmark time spy.
Very nice build.
I'd like to see it with a 2080ti blower style. I wonder if the few blower style 2080ti's can even handle the 2080ti though, let alone in a cramped space.
Dang your place looks nice af
Would love to see the Ncase M1 get the custom water cool treatment.
All the very best cases aren't even for sale right now. My three favorite premium mini-itx cases (all $250+) aren't for sale. I'm stuck with an big, ugly box instead of something lovely to look at. The Lazer LZ7 is the only thing that comes close and by the time you're done making it look good, it's over $300. Which is fine, I guess, things cost what someone will pay for it, but it's a headache getting it delivered.
An AIO bracket with a 240 mil rad and the top hat config might be worth looking into. I don't know if the Kraken series is compatible but I also think Alphacool makes one.
minimuttonchops j2c mentioned normal aio pump block combo is not powerful enough for cooling both gpu and cpu
I'm loving these Mini ITX setups and planning to pull the trigger myself... Can I put an RTX 3080 on this one?
Website documentation states Ghost S1 Mk. III maximum gpu size 145mm(h) x 45mm(w) x 305mm(d)
They should have used long threaded nuts (like motherboard stand offs) to mount the top hats so you could secure the top lid once installed other than just the magnets. Kind of the only let down to me on this case.
Too good for youtube.
Try to take the artic heatsink on the 2080 ti to get better temps. That might fix you problem
Dude some of the best material your produce are these SFF builds and review. Loving everyone of these vids. keep it going, great job.
"Yes, I know heat rises, but this is only relevant in a passive way"
THANK YOU. People really don't understand this enough. How can the hot air rise when there is several fans shifting the direction of the air? It makes no sense. Exhaust the air out in the most effective and efficient way possible, that isn't always the top or the rear depending on the case.
In an ATX case, most effective method is 2-3 fans at the front, one on the side, one on the bottom, one on the rear. Yes, you read that right. A side fan. Bit Tech proved this in this investigation here - bit-tech.net/reviews/tech/the-big-cooling-investigation/1/
Want the best cooling? Get rid of your yucky side windows. (I know my comment doesn't apply to this video. Most people run ATX cases and really fuck up their cooling)
True. Also one fan makes a world of difference, two, three, four fans...not so much, the diminishing returns are gigantic. As long as you are efficiently bringing in air that did not pass any components, and exhausting air that has passed them, you are almost at the top of your air cooling potential if all other factors are the same (same fan model, same heatsink model, etc).
Example: I have a Rainjitek Ophion, which has almost the same fan layout as the Ghost - bottom space for a slim 120mm fan below cpu/gpu, top space for two 120x25mm fans. I wouldn't dare run it fanless like Gamers Nexus did, but one fan on top of the CPU and GPU as exhaust gives me great thermals. Two fans is hard to see the difference, maybe 1 degree less? I notice the air the second fan blows is mostly cold. I ran without that fan for some days and everything was fine, but I keep it there because it sits on top of my PSU, which has a semi passive mode so the fan never turns on, so I guess a bit of the PSU heat is exhausted. With the third bottom fan added (a noctua 12x15)...no difference at all. GPU is perhaps 1 degree colder. I also swapped the top 25mm fans for slim 13mm fans (these exist, Rainjitek Aelus), no change in thermals. These fans have less "air moving potential" than 25mm fans, but the take away here is that the case is tiny, 25cm/10inch in height, which means that from the GPU/CPU to the outside of the case there is like 5inches to be travelled by the hot air. Would a 3000rpm industrial Noctua move the air out faster? Yes. Would it be a big difference in the grand scheme of things? Probably not
The ventilation hole pattern that Ghost uses is not optimal. The straight line holes are more restrictive than can be achieved by cross pattern holes which reduces the amount of aluminum allowing for more holes/air. Strange that they don't cut them this way.👀
Bottom exhaust reduce temp by 3°c and top exhaust 3°c. So, total 6°c....idk if this worth compare to 1ssd and 2hdd...but x52 definitely must
Experiment with external brick using 12v DC DC internal ? J-hack distro 400. For lower power builds for now and G-unique archdemon for high power 12 v builds.
My take away is the S1 appreciates a good undervolt
I really want to make a 2 medium tophat setup, with one above, and one below, and 4 120mm exhaust fans.
I think you should still do the custom loop on the Ncase M1 because the Ghost s1 with the big top hat is pretty ugly and pointless because it loses its purpose of being really small. On the other hand the Ncase is already "big" so i think is a better option overall from water cooling.
Nice！ How about the small tophat?
Hey man - quick question about the fans in the medium top hat. Does your top grill sit flush with the rubber fan corners on the noctua? If I leave the rubber corners on, my top grill will not sit quite flush. I tried flipping the mounting bracket over and still not quite enough clearance.. Works if I remove the rubber.. But I prefer to keep it and in your vid it looks like you kept them on.
Hi Optimum Tech, I don't exactly understand what you mean regarding the bottom fan between the 03-05 minute of the video. As I don't have a tophat and can really only tinker with either a bottom fan in the fan/harddisk slot in the bottom of the case and a better CPU cooler. Would it be worse or better in regards to noise level and tempts to put in a bottom noctua slim fan in the case on exhaust or not? You mentioned that "switching the fan to exhaust won't help either, unless you have a slim fan grill"? Hope you can clarify :) kind regards
Great video as always, but my question is... What chair is that?! Looks great. :)
Great job Ali! Any chance you can still share the cable comb 3d print designs?
Could you tell please, what are you usually doing with all your built PCs? Sale on aftermarket or return to "sender"? Thanks
he keeps the parts for future Builds
@Optimum Tech do you think that a "tophat exhaust + bottom tophat exhaust" setup would be an even better cooling solution than your "Bottom Exhaust Slim + Tophat Exhaust" setup ?
Now I really want them to add a black button option to the silver case, dang it Ali
How about another top hat at the bottom and 2 exhaust fans in there?
Did you just paint your power button black or did you just order it like that?
Could you consider trying this exact same airflow set up question except using the 15 mm slim knock to her fans on the top? And using the smaller top hat as well?
Why did you use a 15mm fan instead of a 25mm one in the bottom? Is there incopatibility when setting it to pull air outside?
thanks to you i bought this one.
I like this case but i hope theres a 3 slot version without compromising the cpu cooler height
Try to imitate the Corsair ONE, in the ghost s1, try to put two radiators on the sides for the Ghost S1 and then ahve exhaust fans top. Not sure it's possible or if you need to mod it some. Would be cool. (fanless radiators, exhaust fans top).
A shame that Loque as a company is such a mess. They currently have all their orders on backorder and don't even answer business related e-mails anymore.
They also raised the price to 269 euro.
Fuck louqe
It's a shit company created by a small group of young adults that created this side project called "Louqe", and then they soon figured out that they actually had to put some effort into the project and then it went downhill from there.
Is it still shit?
Hey Ali, how did you get the black front button? was that something you did by swapping from your old Ash black unit?
nice vid man! cool!
i have a Cooler Master MasterBox Q300L, and one damn fan made an almost 10C difference in CPU temps. Even though this case is almost all hols, there was a big heat accumulation right above the CPU (you could feel it if you put your hand over that area) and with one (more) fan in the back pulling out the hot air, CPU dropped almost 10C.
Before this i had only 2 frontal fans (120mm Noctua). GPU still sits at 70C though, now and then...70C constant...maybe it's because it's a mini gtx 1060.
Nice toaster i love it .
I’ve just wondering, does hybrid cooling card able to fit in this case with top hat installed?
They way I see, GPU is way much even hotter than CPU
I think the problem might be the founders edition cooler. Although i would like to see that card against an evga xc gaming 2 slot card.
please do the custom loop in the Ghost. I absolutely love this case.
what do you recommend for an air cooled 9900k 2080ti itx build?
Formd T1