Isaac is a masterpiece with a very steep learning curve, but once you get past that it becomes a game that will accompany you for life. Isaac is like wine, he doesn't age, he gets better.
I don't think that'll ever happen to me. I don't wanna spend tons of time learning a game. I also didn't really enjoy the movement and shooting... The concept of the game just isn't my Jam regardless of what else the game holes.
@@phrydYour review of all of these games seem kinda empty. You would need to put ton of hours on each of these games to give actual review. Not just ”4 way shooting, Isaac bad” or ”ROR2 too floaty, its bad” Roguelike games are really deep and fun with alot of mechanics and if you just tip your toes on each one and say thats it, your not gonna make a good review.
@@hoesmad6219 I played the games and gave my opinion and ranked them how I saw accordingly with my experience. I don't see anything wrong with that. Be happy I didn't ranked the games according to how Woke or not Woke they were... Haha.
@@phryd Roguelike is essentially the art of learning a game in and out. That is what in hindsight makes them so fulfilling. Even going as far as adding to your game iq with each game beat. Coming in fresh not a clue, to absolutely dogging on every mob and boss, no more satisfying feeling than that.
Placing RoR2 at 6th is actually criminal. I have about 230 hours in it and it is definitely my favourite rogue like. Just try to get characters and items, as theres characters and builds for everyone. The more you play, the better the game will get, be it new characters, items, build ideas, or just straight up experience with the game. One rogue like that I've been loving recently (although in demo) is Balatro. Its a poker based rogue like where you have to earn chips by playing certain hands. The game tells you all the hands, and how to make them, and after you beat a stage, you get a Joker. The Jokers are whats really going to power you up, giving you bonuses for certain cards, or more money per turn. Theres also tarrot cards which are one time use and change up your deck a little. Its a really fun game, but can be a bit hard to get into.
I think, this might be a hot take, if a game doesn't hook you within the first 5-ish hours like they said then it's just not for them, movement in a 3D Game is huge and them saying it feeling off, just wont ever change and can be a dealbreaker to some. I myself love RoR2, I have uh too many hours I think on it and it never gets old, shoutout all my modders out there. But Yeah sometimes a game is just not for you and the placement is subjective. I'd probably put it 1-2 as well, just bc I love it so much.
@@TheTotallyNoob That's exactly how I feel. If I'm not feeling it after a few hours I'll just stop playing. I don't really wanna keep playing it and hope it'll get better when I can just play a game that I enjoy more.
@TheTotallyNoob 5 hours for a rougelike is nothing lol if ur gonna make a video beings so critical about a game you should atleast beat it first before just talking about how you had a bad first impression
if you give it time Isaac turns into such a fascinating game, even for people who tend to get bored of games quickly. When I discovered Isaac I spent atleast 2-3 hours each day for 4 months playing it. At one point I broke my hand and I still managed to continue playing it. It's just so sublime and intricate, like, there's no other roguelike with even a similar amount of content, like yes, hades is very polished but you cannot playit for 500 hours, you'd just prolly get bored at some point. Not only the best roguelike by far but also in my opinion the best game I've ever played.
@@phryd...then why are you playing roguelikes? That's kinda the point. I mean I get the genre not being for you, but like, complaining about the insane replayability in the genre literally built around it is... an opinion. That's like attacking a multiplayer shooter because you don't like fighting other people.
roguelike players have such differing taste i love it. gunfire reborn is probably in my top 2 worst roguelikes but its nice to see there are people that enjoy it. would be cool if you made a indepth video on it!
@@siduxjxhdgzhdjxhxuuxxyhgg1079 What is your top 3? I'm pretty shocked you find gunfire fitting of "top worst" when it is objectively an incredible game
Woah wtf, I thought this was one of those typical 80k-250k sub gaming channels. That's the impression the video gave, so you'll probably go far dude. Kudos.
This list so interesting coming from someone who loves Rougelikes/rougelites Like most people I know that love this genre (Myself included) sees Gunfire Reborn as mediocre; And RoR2 is one of the best rougelike out there. The floaty movement gives you so much control with mobility,one of the items you want in the game is an item that makes you way more floaty. Variety it offers run after run is way greater than in Gunfire Reborn. I feel like the problem that people outside of gerne feel is being lost in the beginning; Ror2 just throws you out there, you don't which items are good and which to avoid, you don't know what you're building up to and many more. And it's why games like Hades that streamline your first run into it's most bare hooks people.
What you say does make a lot of sense. As someone who explores a lot of new games often for youtuber purposes, but also enjoyment, I don't want to always have to invest a lot of hours of playing and research just to enjoy a game. So I do appreciate the streamline and ease of access given to us by Hades.
Yeah he right. I first played RoR2 5 years ago and though "what a piece of trash, getting guitars and droned and shit for a bit of lightening, and what even is the point of me shooting mobs" and overall felt confused, coming from an isaac background. Picked it back up recently and i have been addicted for 3 months now.
love seeing all the risk of rain 2 defence in these comments haha. it's up there for one of my favourite games full stop, not just roguelikes, so I was sad to see it so low! no roguelike I've played has given me loot that feels as good as risk of rains loot system
I feel like I love isaac this much because i watched youtubers play it for years before playing it myself (the flash version) but after playing repentence knowing it was the final DLC it just makes it a perfect balance of skill and knowledge-based gameplay. You CAN win a trash run with just your skill, but you probably won't. You CAN lose a broken run, but you probably won't. A beginner and an expert on the same seed of isaac can achieve completely different results. It's deep AND wide as an ocean.
@@phrydif you genuinely don't like it it's fine but once you get the hang of things it is definitely not simple as you said in your review and actually has quite a bit of depth and insane amount of synergies and replayability, especially with the expansions, I beg you give it more of a chance rather than just brushing it off.
In Isaac there is an item called Analog Stick that lets you shoot diagonally on keyboard, and if you are playing on controller allows you to shoot 360 degrees with the stick
as a person who has played isaac 1200+ hours, the thing that really makes me love it, is the variety of items ( especially with repentance ), bosses and enemies. no run is the same, which gives it basically infinite replayability. i also really like the story that is told through its many endings and i think the progression system ( beating endbosses unlocks more endbosses ) is probably one of the best ive ever experienced. For me isaac would definetly be number one but i do respect your opinion :)
started playing isaac in early 2022, and I got so addicted. I have around 960 hours in it now, and that number is only going up. what I love about it is how you can play it super casually as well as really try hard. you learn someting new in literally every run, even with 1000s of hours, but not knowing things doesn't stop you from winning. the amount of item variety, synergies, and enemies is second to none. as for the gameplay itself, the shooting is limiting, but it has a surprising amount of depth, utilizing the knockback to slip through tight gaps and angling your tears by giving them momentum. in addtion, the game has a massive amount of achievements, most of them are really fun to go for and making progress towards 100% is really rewarding if that is something you care about. everyone i know who's played this game plays it on and off and then one day it clicks and they can't stop playing it for days or weeks. did i mention how every time you do something in game it unlocks a brand new item or game mechanic? im honestly quite impressed if you're still reading this comment, but if you are, the point of this is to say that isaac is a lot better than it appears on the surface, especially if you get the repentance dlc, and worth giving another try. even though i don't agree with all your opinions, i still liked the video, and i will be watching this channel in the future :)
Yeah it seems that everyone is saying you need to spend a lot more time playing and learning Isaac to enjoy it. I guess I get it but I highly doubt I'd ever do that. I just doesn't appeal to me and I don't feel like I really have the time for it either. I read all my comments.
I totally get bouncing off a game lots of people like, I really did not get hades at all. But I think blaming this on the game being older and people still playing are doing so for nostalgia is silly. isaac is still beloved and maintains a huge community with consistently over 10000 concurrent players. PS, I disagree with people saying you need to play the game a lot to enjoy it. the early win conditions are much more reasonable and help beginners learn the game without making it some daunting task that requires tons of game experience, which imo makes it one of the more accessible roguelikes I know this just joins a sea of comments of people defending their favorite roguelikes, but hopefully this adds some unique insight and was worth your time reading
Fantastic video, very well done editing! But I would love a revisit of this after you put a little more time into some of these. A lot of them don't truly open themselves up until you've put decent time into them, and they all have "rules" to learn that allow you to optimize your runs kind of like Hades does just not as overtly obvious. Enter the Gungeon for example has both synergies (where having two or more items will cause an extra effect to occur for one or both of them) and interactions that you learn as you progress, as well as being feasibly possible to beat the game with just your starting equipment so long as you get good at walking around bullets which makes even the worst luck manageable depending on how good you are
I highly recommend trying Isaac again, but downloading the External Item Descriptions, Mod Config Menu, and Stats+ mods from the Steam workshop before playing. This makes a description of every item appear when you are near them so you can decide if you'd like to pick it up or not. You can also use these mods to disable curses and identify pills. I felt essentially the same way about the game as you before these mods, now it's one of my favorites.
You can actually see your stats without a mod ever since Repentance came out! Which is so great and so useful, yay (Although maybe you meant 'download stat+ so you get /all/ the stats', because the in-game stats don't show the Planetarium stat, so it's definitely still useful obvs! Just wanted to let people know that, if they're fine with not having the Planetarium stat, they can just go to the options and get the stats straight from the game (: )
nah the beauty of isaac is learning little by little of your mistakes and picking the wrong items makes that, the next time u see it u won't prolly take it, then when u have played 100 hours u know what most of the items do, and u don't need no mods.
I only recently started playing The Binding of Isaac so nostalgia has nothing to do with my thoughts on it. It is amazing because of the amount of variety and items you can obtain on a run, the music is amazing, the art style is incredible and supposedly the game offers dozens of bosses, hidden by completing a certain amount of runs. It's almost an endless experience.
i just picked up isaac a couple of days ago so there really isnt much nostalgia for me there but i still really like the game. so i guess it just comes down to different tastes
I really understand why you didn't like Isaac but I completely disagree with your argument about people just liking it for nostalgia's sake, I played it for the first time last year and easily put in over 200 hours of gameplay, the game is just good
So I honestly disagreed with almost all of these 😂 particularly Isaac and Risk of Rain 2, which are my number 1 and 2 Rogue Likes. That said, I really enjoyed your video. The quality of your editing and story telling and presentation are absolutely top notch, humor is on point, everything here was great and truly shocked me that you aren’t a much, much larger channel. Easy sub. And even though I disagreed with a lot of your takes, you explained yourself well, so I can at least respect that 🤝🏻 looking forward to seeing more from you!
@@phryd Even if I disagree it doesn’t really matter too much because your arguments were well presented and your video quality was top tier. I don’t have to agree if I’m enjoying it all the same 💪🏻
Very few of the guns in Gungeon are actually bad. Like that bubble gun you specifically complained about, it actually has some of the highest DPS in the game and can be very strong if you learn how to space with it properly.
Although Im upset at your ROR2 ranking, I get it. Its definitely really weird because there is no other game like it. Your biggest enemy in the game is the timer and Monsoon really teaches you that. I too only played on Rainstorm for my first 25 hours and pretty much quit the game after beating it a couple times. Eventually came back on a hunch maybe a year later, played on Monsoon and it kind of just clicked to me. Actually understanding the game and getting consistent runs made me fall in love. Its extremely rewarding to be rewarded for your efficiency as well since no other game really has a difficulty system such as ROR2. I hope you give it a shot again and if you ever decide to play on Monsoon (which is the best part of the game) definitely focus on your movement above all else. Biggest tip I can give is to run in circles. Its obviously more nuanced than that, but its a good start.
Put 600 hours in the first 6 months of owning risk of rain 2 because it just had me in a death grip by the balls after learning item combos but I couldn't get hardly any of my friends to play it. A few actually had motion sickness as well, another couple the just didn't like learning and remembering what all the different items do and the last few just straight up don't like the genre of game. Which is unfortunate because a lot of roguelikes imo have more replay ability than most AAA games lmao
I had never played binding of Isaac and I had the exact same opinion of you before, but I gave it another chance and now I’m fully addicted. So it’s definitely not just because of nostalgia
the binding of isaac is my favorite game of all time not just rogue-like, i do not understand how so many people rank it so low. maybe its hard to get into? breaks my heart
From what I've read in the comments, it does seem like it takes a lot to get into it. I just don't have that much time and motivation to get into it. Haha.
@@racoon7657that's not really misunderstanding, that's just not liking a niche game. People don't care to invest 500 hours if they aren't engaged at hour 5
As unfortunate as it is, you're probably going to need to buy the DLC alongside Isaac to truly enjoy it. I wouldn't judge your ranking for just having Rebirth as it seems you did, but when you have everything, the game is STILL being updated, and feels a lot better, with a LOT more content. I can't really justify telling somebody who doesn't like it to spend another $50 to maybe like it though. But it's my favorite game
Hades and Dead Cells are the best two imo. Only rogues I ever put 300 hours + into, plus Skul. Skul the hero slayer deserves mention, it’s actually great and right up there w the best imo. Playing Summum Aeterna and loving it right now as a side note
Mate i love your take on these games. I agree with you 💯 on some of them and even thought i was alone in not totally loving some of these. Thank you for the vid and look forward to your content
This is a really good video! One reccomendation I would make is to talk a bit slower, but overall your editing and mic quality is great for a very small creator. Keep up the good work!
Imo I felt he spoke perfectly fine and it matches his editing and video style, but I kinda understand what you mean cause usually review videos are lengthy.. I still loved it though!
Hello hello from your old E7 adventures! I didn't realize where your videos went until i saw this channel. Super glad you're making a variety of content now and super excited to watch it all! Loved this video! But RoR2 deserved better. You did her dirty XD
You simply cannot judge Isaac if you have played it for a small amount of time cause the variety it has is insane. For example, you CAN shoot diagonally. There's an item that lets you do that
@@ViktorTrifonov_ why do you even CARE if he ranks it low or high? how is his ranking important to YOU? I'm soooo tired of this BS. Someone tells you their favorite ice cream is vanilla, and you all have to spend hours trying to tell them they are wrong. it makes no sense.
@@thomasneal9291 this game is father of roguelikes, by ranking it so low is like not giving it credit, I don't care about rankings, all I wanted was to help him and explain why he didn't like it ast much and give the game another chance because I think he'll like it. Basic isaac is preatty okay ish of a game, its not the masterpiece it is now but it without this mid base game roguelikes as a whole wouldnt be as popular nowadays. By no means I cock suck on any game or anything my opinion is my opinion and it's fair for him and everyone to have their own.
I’m happy for people who enjoy Isaac so much, but I agree that playing it just feels bad. Maybe it’s nostalgia, or playing it when it released…but it’s just not for me with how much fun other games are from the get go.
I actually use the mod that tells me what items do in Binding of Issac. I do not enjoy randomly picking up items just for it to be terrible lol. Luckily you can still get a achievements!
I started playing the binding of Isaac about a year ago, so I can't really say I'm nostalgic for it, but I enjoy it as a game you don't need to commit time to play. Since the game is built off its simplicity, you don't need to invest a lot of time in a day to follow a story. You can take week long breaks from it and go back right where you left off. I feel like many of the other games on the list become too complex to really enjoy. Along with this, a big aspect that adds to Isaacs replayability is how the game genuinely feels more fun the more you play. The item pool increases after nearly every run changing the gameplay and making it feel fresh. This can go for most games on the list, but personally I feel Isaac does it the best. I tried to play every game on this list, but the only ones I found myself returning to were Isaac and enter the gungeon.
@@phrydYou're right, and I don't see a lot of people discussing the game in the comments section, but I'm sure the team will keep optimizing the overall gaming experience
While being the definition of a casual player,you are still giving them rating.The first ten hours of roguelike is a tutorial my friend,its not the real game at that point. You cant judge the game if you not even 1/10 way to complete it.All you can afford in your video is saying your first imperession.Of course you will not like every single thing you play for the first time.When you talk about what you like about a game (especially in ror2, isaac, Etg), you often retell the text from the game’s page on steam. This suggests that you played the game because “well damn, we need to insert more games into the video and don’t care how much I understand what I’m talking about.”I hope that all this was just misunderstanding from my perspective,but this is what I feel after watching this video.
There is more things that i disagree in you with, but its more of a personal factor.But the soundtrack... You didn't even mention the soundtrack. The ror2 have a godlike one.And ETG too.
I don't think you've very wrong. I had the idea of making this video, so as I stated in the video... I just gathered the games that other people deemed the best and played them myself. They were specifcally games that I had interest in playing. It would also take way too much time to dedicate 50 hours to each game. I am kinda casual since adulting takes too much time. I agree that you shouldn't judge a game off just a few hours of play. But in my opinion, I feel it's fair to dislike a game after a few hours but hard to recommend a game after a few hours of play.
My personal list is going to be: 1- Isaac 2- Hades 3- Risk of Rain 2 4- Slay the Spire 5- Gunfire Reborn 6- Gungeon 7- Dead Cells Isaac has so much depth to it between Lore, Items, Enemies, and Characters it's kind of insane being placed last. The one thing you really pointed out was that you can only shoot in 4 directions, but that alone made you ignore almost every other aspect about it. Obviously some random comments can't convince you to love it, but it's community is way more than people who play it for nostalgia, it's genuinely one of the best games ever made imho. (Not to mention the INSANE modding community it has, far more than any other game I've seen, besides skyrim) In another note though, you should absolutely check out a game called Astral Ascent, it's still early access but official release will be early 2024 adding the final touches to the story and bosses. Everything about that game is wonderful in my eyes, and it has the exact progression you seem to love.
I didn't like Isaac because you either feel like a slug or a god. At least at my brief playtime of a 15-20 hours, with the item desc mod, the start of all the runs was super slow, especially due to the 4d shooting, and if I reached endgame it had no challenge. I beat the game twice, and after the second victory, deleted it. Is it just the variety that you like? Genuinely curious not hating
@@TheFuckingKrayz The variety for sure helps, but I mostly love how challenging it is and how you can win any run despite a bad start. It's definitely a slow burner, I won't deny that, you can't quite grasp the full scope of the game with just a couple "wins" because past those first wins, there's even more bosses to unlock, opening more and more floors and items to experience. Start speeds, while somewhat dependent on items, are also heavily influenced by which character you're using. I think more than anything, I enjoy that the game never seems to end. 17 characters (Plus alternates, making it 34) all having 14 individual unlocks each (alts having 7), makes it really unending, not even taking into account the secrets and whatnot. I've put in hundreds upon hundreds of hours and I've yet to complete everything, so I know that any time I pick it up, there's always something to accomplish.
@@Aerix_Bay I guess it comes down to if you enjoy the gameplay loop. Trying to unlock all those characters etc sounds like torture to me. But hey, if you enjoy go for it. All that said I can appreciate the game from a design stand point. Coming up with all the hundreds(maybe thousands? Idk) items, characters etc is a feat by itself, definitely for an indie title of its time.
I have like 50 hours in Astral Ascent and I love it. Its art and combat are fantastic and the story is really interesting, at least from the little bit I have been able to glean from hearing characters talk in game.
For me, The Binding Of Isaac got me interested in the genre. I remember playing Dead Cells a few years ago but it never stuck. However after looking into some more roguelikes after Binding Of Isaac, man Slay The Spire sent me down the rabbit hole. I fell in love with the game. Maybe it's just the Pokemon fan in me though
1. Gungeon/Isaac 2. Gungeon/Isaac 3. Risk of Rain 2 4. Dead Cells 5. Gunfire Reborn 6. Slay the Spire 7. Hades Isaac has a lot more depth than you think, you can get some really flashy and broken runs. And depending on your knowledge of the game, you can tip the odds in your favor. Shooting in 4 directions is just part of the game, and Repentance is definitely the definitive version of the game.
Yeah, Isaac has a lot going for it in terms of variety and stuff like that. But I just didn't really enjoy how the game plays in general. Hades at the bottom though? Oooof.
One thing u should do when it comes to ror2, play it with friends, it makes the experience so much more fun, and funnier, i think thats what it was built around, whole reason i sunk 200 hours into it, other then that i do agree with most of the list, except for gunfire reborn but thats because ive never played it
@@phryd you could always do a youtube stream where you play with subs, so long as you are fine with making that type of content that is. Gives you an opportunity to play with people and make content at the same time
About isacc I feel like you coud get that grip with the dlc and 50 or so hours (even less) but yeah I get why it feels old, you will probably never try it out again but still I woud really give isaac a second chance with all the dlc since isaac surely deserve it. still a great video man keep it up
I've been thinking about it here or there, but I always find something else to play instead. I do feel 50 hours is way to much to put into a game before enjoying it.
@@phryd fair, I mean cant really change your taste, i cant really do much about it. A shame but still I did my job as an isaac fan lmao. Also my bad for the 50 hours, cant really estimate hoe much time you need to get into the game, so my bad on that lol
In my opinion it's night of the full moon, slay the spire and Hades are my favorite. I'm gonna add a new favorite its overrogue after i myself finish it.
Great editing and literally everything, wanna see more of your content keep it up, because I know you're going to get somewhere big, the video was catchy and on point with great reviews and literally just your own opinions! Also I really enjoyed the video because all of the thing you talked about was right, isaac is my most played rogue-like but its better with mods, Risk of rain 2 is my second most played one and its also better with mods. I think what makes them "The top rogue-likes" because of their replayability and their mod support. For me gunfire reborn was also the game that I most enjoyed among them, hades was the visuals and everything is just mixed up great and felt good playing. Slay the spire was the one who I couldn't play that much because of the gameplay wasn't meant for me, Dead Cells wanted me to keep playing and playing again to upgrade my stuff and its considered "Rogue-lite" because the gameplay is most focused on its upgrading system. Also ive Tried the Enter The Gungeon but it didn't really catch me somehow even though i've tried it again and again and in 10 hours of playing it, still didn't really catch me. I can't rank any of them in specific order because they are all the same "Rogue-like/lite" Genre but they are also all different from each other which made me play and love them all, they are all similar and different from each other thats why everyone should give each of them a try before giving their thoughts of it, I really enjoyed playing each one of them. Nowadays im just really looking forward to games with modding supports because for me, thats what makes the game better, the community itself adding some of their creativity and love on it makes it a little bit better and also makes the game more replayable and enjoyable for me.
I have more hours into Dead Cells and Hades than I care to admit. But Dead Cells is where I still come back to almost daily. After this video I will give Gunfire Reborn a shot as it looks fun.
My top 3 would be: Risk of Rain 2, Isaac, Hades I didn't like RoR2 much first at either, but it got way more fun once I understood how to influence my builds with scappers/3D printers/lunar items, and especially once I started playing on eclipse!
Enter the gungeon was the first roguelike that I played, and honestly it's one of my least favorites. Definitely not saying it's a bad game, it's great, but I love the sense of being thrown into a world of unknown and learning yourself how things work, because I find the information I learn that way sticks with me better than when someone or something tells me how things work. That's why I really REALLY enjoyed ROR2 when I was addicted to it, it felt amazing learning how different items worked all by myself.
Yeah, a lot of games seem to go with the whole "figure it out" as you go learning. I feel that a little bit of tutorial could go a long ways in getting someone to initially enjoy a game, which is the most valuable time.
Even if I highly disagree with your review and your ranking, thanks for the video because it's always when you see how other players see your favorite games that you can step back and think about it (well, I did and still think you're wrong, but that's MY opinion 😉). Take care 😀
At least from the footage here, you didn't sprint once in ROR2, which could explain why you disliked the movement and it probably made the game feel slow.
very good video. I don't know why it has 200 dislikes :( You just told us your own opinion and it looks like some people were having a hard time hearing it...
And besides, getting hooked in and being intrigued by all the crazy new shit you're finding is a part of the rougeli(k/t)e experience-- if thats bogged down and impeded by aged controls or physics that feel too floaty, then that hurts that important part of the experience. For me, I'm definitely at that point of discovery with Noita, and its great. Ive had a few tastes of great power, but it can hardly be called godly yet-- I'm still making my way to the final boss, not even to beat it Smashing poor steve's head with a tablet will never not be funny, though. Scott, on the other hand... well, I've seen him once. I died shortly after.
@@phryd both Isaac and Risk of Rain have a certain “a-ha” moment where you really need to feel the game at a certain level before it clicks and you really love it. For Isaac, it seems the crazy fun part is the amount of RNG is so high that you can have truly awesomely unique runs many hundreds of hours into the game. For me, like you, the base-layer combat and mechanics are so simple and boring that I never get that excited about the mechanics that get built up on top of it. For Risk of Rain 2, a lot of the magic comes from breaking the game and feeling like an absolute god. And then learning how to tweak the game to your liking using artifacts and trying to push for winning in harder difficulties with each character. While I have created godly characters in certain runs in RoR2, the baseline mechanics for fighting felt very repetitive and I personally dislike the time mechanic a lot. I much prefer the gunplay in Gunfire and I like the fact that gunfire is about clearing a room and crafting a build whereas RoR2 is more about racing the clock. One interesting thing about the list in general is that the games that allow for more control and agency over the in-run progression is what we (you and me) seem to like more. The games that offer less influence over progression and are more random are the ones we gravitate less to. Both Isaac and RoR2 are masterpieces of their own right, but the baseline combat in both games are flat for me compared to some of the rest of the list AND the progression has less agency. Both games also take many hours invested before you really start to appreciate the game on a deeper level but the combat/progression never really let me personally get to that level of appreciation for either game.
I hate to say it but a large portion of this list is affected by a lack of skill in some games, while more in others. For example, you never showed yourself fighting ror2 Mithrix. Not to mention you didnt talk about artifacts at all. Even worse, you didnt talk about the true ending of the game, becoming so powerful, God has to shut off your game in fear of you going to kill him. (This was just a rant defending ror2)
All Valid points, I stopped playing Risk of Rain cuz I didn't find myself enjoying it too much after 5 hours. So I honestly never beat it. I plan to give it another shot though since everyone seems to love it.
I can't WAIT for Windblown. Very little gameplay has been shown but what was shown looks incredible. To me it looks like a Dead Cells spin on Hades. I am so down for that.
Isaac use the EID mod with Repentance DLC you get the Alt floors and the Alt paths you have 713+ items and 100 trinkets and Alt bosses. The Dead god achievement is one of the hardest achievements to get because it is impossible to speedrun it by the way the game is intentionally made. It can take you years to get it just cause RNG and shit. The end game bosses such as Delirium, Hush and Mother are ridiculous in the DLC. Not to mention the tainted characters recontextualizing the understanding of each character. This game easily expands each run with every item. The game has stats and DMG multipliers too you can show them in the extended hud settings. There's so much that can't be explained in a simple comment.
I think the appeal for isaac for most players (other than the mods and dlc) is the randomness. The game will never be the same no matter how you play it due to the items. Also the massive amount of content and replayability. I'm over 400 hours in and have 57% of achievements.
As someone with 450 hours in isaac i would also put it at the bottom, that game is the definition of stockholm syndrome. Also, if you ever wanna play more roguelikes, either for a video or on your own, here a couple that id recommend (in order of how much i recommend them): -Revita, a platformer twin stick shooter where health is also your currency, also has an upcoming update that will make lots of improvements and add lots of new content to it. -Dicey Dungeons, an insanely strategic "card game" roguelike where you have abilities that you put dice (which have random values) into to deal damage to enemies. Doesn't have much variety inside of a run but makes up for it by the amount of characters and character variants (which are all basically COMPLETELY unique). -Going Under, an action roguelike where you have to constantly pick up new weapons in a room because your current one broke, also has a really good story and characters. -Brotato. Have you seen Vampire Survivors? Well Brotato is that game but with much more variety and much more strategy, it also has modding support to get even more content. -Blazing Beaks, a twin stick shooter that's all about risk and reward, enemies drop items that make you weaker and then you can remove those items in a shop to get ones that make you stronger. Has kind of a variety problem but is fun enough for it to not be that bad. -Crypt of the Necrodancer, one of the classic roguelikes, a rhythm game tile based roguelike with an absolutely insane soundtrack. -Downwell, a platformer roguelike (though it doesn't really have the feeling of one) where you fall down a well with boots that can shoot, using them to either kill enemies or slow your fall. The game is all about getting the highest combo you can without touching the ground. The only problem is that it doesn't have much variety and unlocks. -Mana Spark, an action roguelike that has a more strategic/soulslike feel to its combat. Does kinda struggle with variety too, with the main change in runs being the character you pick (which are all very different). -Destropolis, an arcade twin stick roguelike where you just shoot at enemies, try to survive and aim for highscores (pun intended). Your score also gives you progress for unlocks, which there aren't a lot of but they take quite a lot to unlock. Has kinda eh variety too but I think it affects it less than the others.
Isaac can be really fun, but mostly once you’ve gotten a bit better / unlocked cool items / found a character you like. And External Item Descriptions is almost necessary And more games, very different from the ones in the video: Luck be a Landlord SNKRX Peglin Edit: I first played Binding of Isaac after 2 of the DLCs were already released and have mostly only played with all 3 DLCs
Revita is an amazing experience that everyone has to try at least once, amazing art and designs, fun and difficult battle, and managing your health throughout the run to not die from being too underpowered or overpowered. There are a few bugs that you might find when playing runs although they are very rare and require very specific item setups
Gunfire reborn is actually the best game of all time and now I gotta go buy it again because of you but still got my full skill tree and that turtle mfkkkkkka damn good video brother got my sub!
The main problem with Hades is that each run feels the exact same. it’s always the same 4 maps with the same 4 bosses, and there are only 6 classes to pick from. on top of that, when playing Hades i’ve never once had to contemplate a decision whether it was which door i go in or which boon to pick, whereas in Slay the Spire, picking a route and deciding what to buy at the shop and picking which card if any to grab constantly has me thinking. Basically Hades is a game that gets insanely hard carried by its story and aesthetic and slow skill curve, but the roguelike genre is one where the main focus should be gameplay.
True that Hades does get a bit repetitive because there are things that don't change much. I think the gameplay itself is very fun though, so I can forgive that flaw.
There is a game that's in early access now that I am interested in called witchfire that apparently is like a roguelike but it also looks like it plays similar to doom
I agree with the binding of Isaac placement. I just.. don't get why so many people love it. It just feels rough to play for me. The items aren't interesting and the actual gameplay is way to simple. Also you should try voidigo it's pretty cool and wildfrost but that game is ridiculously hard but not in the bad way
merc on ror2 feels the best out of everyone, i use to love doing Monsoon carries before console got artifacts, i could do full party carries pretty easily but i also had like 1k hours on merc and its kinda hard to mess up when you have so many s.
Ok im not hating but playing isaac withot any dlc is like playing a re textured flash game, i know its not for everyone but have you seen this many people with this many hrs in a single player game?? Isaac is a masterpiece of a game and while its like the father of all roguelikes still is THE BEST rogulike l, isaac has a huge content dlc plus an actuve modding community. I recommend really giveing it a second chance with item description mod. Isaac has alot of thinking there for alot of "break" potential and combos u can abuse and is fun to play with. These breaks are the reason for ppl to have this many hrs. Anyways just my opinion as i said no hate u didnt give isaac a chance and didnt play what was supposed to be played.
I'd be willing to put a few more hours into Isaac after seeing so much support for the game. But I feel that if I can't enjoy myself after a few hours then I can say that the game is probably not for me.
I read through your comments on people comments on risk of rain 2 and the fact you didn’t know you could sprint but rank the game low and boring is wild 😂😂😂
honestly this list just feels like you made it in a couple weeks trying to squeeze content rather than really trying the games out... placing isaac in the bottom really just shows how you made like 10 runs and called it a day instead of taking your time to... you know... play the games.... roguelikes are complex, demanding, time consuming but the key thing about them is just hopping on them from time to time to try and master their mechanics, not something like a singleplayer game with a 10-20 hour campaign. These are games you usually need to dive into to fully understand their appeal and try to master, dealing with unexpected shit and trying to play your cards to get a clear advantage and if you know what you're doing you will start to get runs that takes hours of just pure fun and chaos. yeah I get it, you probably dont have the time or motivation to really play these games but if that's the case what's your point? the game you can get the most satisfaction with just a couple hours playing it? because these are games you need a couple hundred hours to really try and talk about them. they are meant to be extremely replayable and you really should consider this the next time you evaluate them
You are right, I don't really have time to put 50 to 100 hours into every game just for a single youtube video. This video itself already took me nearly 2 months to make as it is. As a normal gamer you'll usually be able to dedicate a lot of hours to a single game to enjoy. But when making content, most of the times people will only put 5-10-ish hours into a game, especially those who make videos about a variety of games rather than just 1.
Why I QUIT the Best FPS Roguelike: th-cam.com/video/QbvVbzNGzoc/w-d-xo.html
Nice YT channel very underrated def subbing
@@DarlexGardenWarden Thanks a lot man.
@@phryd No problem
btw do you got Twitter so I can follow you there?
@DarlexGardenWarden I don't use Twitter. Sorry man. Tho I do once in a while post dog pictures in IG
having risk of rain 2 be called mediocre is just begging for everyone to kill you.
According to the comments section, you are very correct.
well... it is. its boring as fck
Isaac is a masterpiece with a very steep learning curve, but once you get past that it becomes a game that will accompany you for life. Isaac is like wine, he doesn't age, he gets better.
I don't think that'll ever happen to me. I don't wanna spend tons of time learning a game. I also didn't really enjoy the movement and shooting... The concept of the game just isn't my Jam regardless of what else the game holes.
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@@phrydYour review of all of these games seem kinda empty. You would need to put ton of hours on each of these games to give actual review. Not just ”4 way shooting, Isaac bad” or ”ROR2 too floaty, its bad” Roguelike games are really deep and fun with alot of mechanics and if you just tip your toes on each one and say thats it, your not gonna make a good review.
@@hoesmad6219 I played the games and gave my opinion and ranked them how I saw accordingly with my experience. I don't see anything wrong with that. Be happy I didn't ranked the games according to how Woke or not Woke they were... Haha.
@@phryd Roguelike is essentially the art of learning a game in and out.
That is what in hindsight makes them so fulfilling.
Even going as far as adding to your game iq with each game beat.
Coming in fresh not a clue, to absolutely dogging on every mob and boss, no more satisfying feeling than that.
Placing RoR2 at 6th is actually criminal. I have about 230 hours in it and it is definitely my favourite rogue like. Just try to get characters and items, as theres characters and builds for everyone. The more you play, the better the game will get, be it new characters, items, build ideas, or just straight up experience with the game.
One rogue like that I've been loving recently (although in demo) is Balatro. Its a poker based rogue like where you have to earn chips by playing certain hands. The game tells you all the hands, and how to make them, and after you beat a stage, you get a Joker. The Jokers are whats really going to power you up, giving you bonuses for certain cards, or more money per turn. Theres also tarrot cards which are one time use and change up your deck a little. Its a really fun game, but can be a bit hard to get into.
Interesting, I've never heard of Balatro before. Maybe I'll check it out.
I think, this might be a hot take, if a game doesn't hook you within the first 5-ish hours like they said then it's just not for them, movement in a 3D Game is huge and them saying it feeling off, just wont ever change and can be a dealbreaker to some. I myself love RoR2, I have uh too many hours I think on it and it never gets old, shoutout all my modders out there. But Yeah sometimes a game is just not for you and the placement is subjective. I'd probably put it 1-2 as well, just bc I love it so much.
@@TheTotallyNoob That's exactly how I feel. If I'm not feeling it after a few hours I'll just stop playing. I don't really wanna keep playing it and hope it'll get better when I can just play a game that I enjoy more.
@@TheTotallyNoob even if a game does get good after a certain amount of time, having to chore through it is 9 times out of 10 actually bad design.
@TheTotallyNoob 5 hours for a rougelike is nothing lol
if ur gonna make a video beings so critical about a game you should atleast beat it first before just talking about how you had a bad first impression
Bro forgot the THREE DLC's that Isaac has
if you give it time Isaac turns into such a fascinating game, even for people who tend to get bored of games quickly. When I discovered Isaac I spent atleast 2-3 hours each day for 4 months playing it. At one point I broke my hand and I still managed to continue playing it. It's just so sublime and intricate, like, there's no other roguelike with even a similar amount of content, like yes, hades is very polished but you cannot playit for 500 hours, you'd just prolly get bored at some point. Not only the best roguelike by far but also in my opinion the best game I've ever played.
I just don't have that kind of time to dedicate to a game, especially one that I don't immediately find fun.
@@phrydcompletely respectable man, it’s a game that’s most fun when you invest literal HUNDREDS of hours into, not everyone has that kind of time 👍
@@phryd...then why are you playing roguelikes? That's kinda the point. I mean I get the genre not being for you, but like, complaining about the insane replayability in the genre literally built around it is... an opinion.
That's like attacking a multiplayer shooter because you don't like fighting other people.
roguelike players have such differing taste i love it. gunfire reborn is probably in my top 2 worst roguelikes but its nice to see there are people that enjoy it. would be cool if you made a indepth video on it!
A video on Gunfire Reborn? That'd be fun.
How tf do you have a top worst list lmao
@@Huckle777 roguelikes are the first genre i ever played so i have a lot of em and a lot more opinions about em.
@@siduxjxhdgzhdjxhxuuxxyhgg1079 What is your top 3? I'm pretty shocked you find gunfire fitting of "top worst" when it is objectively an incredible game
@@Huckle777 Isaac is currently in my top worst list... Along with Darkest Dungeon 2. Haha.
I feel like Wizard of Legend is criminally underrated. Almost never hear people talk about it and it feels amazing to play.
Never heard of it. So you're probably right.
@@phryd i also recommend it but it is pretty difficult ngl
226 SUBS??? BRO, the quality of this video, the funny references, the way it's fun to watch you deserve hundreds of thousands i swear
Haha, maybe someday?
huh? 29 subscribers? i thought you would at least had a couple 100k when i checked… you are THE most underrated youtuber EVER.
Thanks a lot man. Gotta start from somewhere right?
Imagine it like a ceiling raised real high. That’s basically it
Woah wtf, I thought this was one of those typical 80k-250k sub gaming channels. That's the impression the video gave, so you'll probably go far dude. Kudos.
Wow, thanks a lot man. Always nice to hear some good feedback.
@@phryd Yes, just clicking through videos, I thought you were another Mythymoo level channel. Keep at it.
This list so interesting coming from someone who loves Rougelikes/rougelites
Like most people I know that love this genre (Myself included) sees Gunfire Reborn as mediocre; And RoR2 is one of the best rougelike out there.
The floaty movement gives you so much control with mobility,one of the items you want in the game is an item that makes you way more floaty. Variety it offers run after run is way greater than in Gunfire Reborn.
I feel like the problem that people outside of gerne feel is being lost in the beginning; Ror2 just throws you out there, you don't which items are good and which to avoid, you don't know what you're building up to and many more. And it's why games like Hades that streamline your first run into it's most bare hooks people.
What you say does make a lot of sense. As someone who explores a lot of new games often for youtuber purposes, but also enjoyment, I don't want to always have to invest a lot of hours of playing and research just to enjoy a game. So I do appreciate the streamline and ease of access given to us by Hades.
Yeah he right. I first played RoR2 5 years ago and though "what a piece of trash, getting guitars and droned and shit for a bit of lightening, and what even is the point of me shooting mobs" and overall felt confused, coming from an isaac background.
Picked it back up recently and i have been addicted for 3 months now.
@@phrydrisk of rain 2 and 1 has great lore
I dont understand the floatiness really. You just try to get movement speed items and you're guchi.
Someone saying rougelite shouldn't be able to have an opinion on the genre.
love seeing all the risk of rain 2 defence in these comments haha. it's up there for one of my favourite games full stop, not just roguelikes, so I was sad to see it so low! no roguelike I've played has given me loot that feels as good as risk of rains loot system
I'm not too surprised people are defending Risk of Rain 2. But I am surprised that no one has threatened me about it yet... Haha.
I feel like I love isaac this much because i watched youtubers play it for years before playing it myself (the flash version) but after playing repentence knowing it was the final DLC it just makes it a perfect balance of skill and knowledge-based gameplay. You CAN win a trash run with just your skill, but you probably won't. You CAN lose a broken run, but you probably won't. A beginner and an expert on the same seed of isaac can achieve completely different results. It's deep AND wide as an ocean.
I don't think I'll ever understand isaac.
@@phrydit has a deep learning curve. You’ll probably need hundreds of hours to understand
@@phrydyou just have a issue of skill
@@phrydif you genuinely don't like it it's fine but once you get the hang of things it is definitely not simple as you said in your review and actually has quite a bit of depth and insane amount of synergies and replayability, especially with the expansions, I beg you give it more of a chance rather than just brushing it off.
In Isaac there is an item called Analog Stick that lets you shoot diagonally on keyboard, and if you are playing on controller allows you to shoot 360 degrees with the stick
Haha, interesting.
as a person who has played isaac 1200+ hours, the thing that really makes me love it, is the variety of items ( especially with repentance ), bosses and enemies. no run is the same, which gives it basically infinite replayability. i also really like the story that is told through its many endings and i think the progression system ( beating endbosses unlocks more endbosses ) is probably one of the best ive ever experienced. For me isaac would definetly be number one but i do respect your opinion :)
Yeah man, to each their own.
Subscribed when I heard the CrossCode ost
And nice video, roguelikes are my favorite type of game
Nice! To be able to recognize the CrossCode OST is impressive.
started playing isaac in early 2022, and I got so addicted. I have around 960 hours in it now, and that number is only going up. what I love about it is how you can play it super casually as well as really try hard. you learn someting new in literally every run, even with 1000s of hours, but not knowing things doesn't stop you from winning. the amount of item variety, synergies, and enemies is second to none. as for the gameplay itself, the shooting is limiting, but it has a surprising amount of depth, utilizing the knockback to slip through tight gaps and angling your tears by giving them momentum.
in addtion, the game has a massive amount of achievements, most of them are really fun to go for and making progress towards 100% is really rewarding if that is something you care about. everyone i know who's played this game plays it on and off and then one day it clicks and they can't stop playing it for days or weeks. did i mention how every time you do something in game it unlocks a brand new item or game mechanic?
im honestly quite impressed if you're still reading this comment, but if you are, the point of this is to say that isaac is a lot better than it appears on the surface, especially if you get the repentance dlc, and worth giving another try.
even though i don't agree with all your opinions, i still liked the video, and i will be watching this channel in the future :)
Yeah it seems that everyone is saying you need to spend a lot more time playing and learning Isaac to enjoy it. I guess I get it but I highly doubt I'd ever do that. I just doesn't appeal to me and I don't feel like I really have the time for it either.
I read all my comments.
I totally get bouncing off a game lots of people like, I really did not get hades at all. But I think blaming this on the game being older and people still playing are doing so for nostalgia is silly. isaac is still beloved and maintains a huge community with consistently over 10000 concurrent players.
PS, I disagree with people saying you need to play the game a lot to enjoy it. the early win conditions are much more reasonable and help beginners learn the game without making it some daunting task that requires tons of game experience, which imo makes it one of the more accessible roguelikes
I know this just joins a sea of comments of people defending their favorite roguelikes, but hopefully this adds some unique insight and was worth your time reading
@@glacique I think with any kind of list there's always gonna be ones defending what's at the bottom and those praising what's at the top.
Fantastic video, very well done editing! But I would love a revisit of this after you put a little more time into some of these. A lot of them don't truly open themselves up until you've put decent time into them, and they all have "rules" to learn that allow you to optimize your runs kind of like Hades does just not as overtly obvious.
Enter the Gungeon for example has both synergies (where having two or more items will cause an extra effect to occur for one or both of them) and interactions that you learn as you progress, as well as being feasibly possible to beat the game with just your starting equipment so long as you get good at walking around bullets which makes even the worst luck manageable depending on how good you are
I highly recommend trying Isaac again, but downloading the External Item Descriptions, Mod Config Menu, and Stats+ mods from the Steam workshop before playing. This makes a description of every item appear when you are near them so you can decide if you'd like to pick it up or not. You can also use these mods to disable curses and identify pills. I felt essentially the same way about the game as you before these mods, now it's one of my favorites.
That's a lot of mods, haha.
You can actually see your stats without a mod ever since Repentance came out! Which is so great and so useful, yay
(Although maybe you meant 'download stat+ so you get /all/ the stats', because the in-game stats don't show the Planetarium stat, so it's definitely still useful obvs! Just wanted to let people know that, if they're fine with not having the Planetarium stat, they can just go to the options and get the stats straight from the game (: )
nah the beauty of isaac is learning little by little of your mistakes and picking the wrong items makes that, the next time u see it u won't prolly take it, then when u have played 100 hours u know what most of the items do, and u don't need no mods.
I only recently started playing The Binding of Isaac so nostalgia has nothing to do with my thoughts on it.
It is amazing because of the amount of variety and items you can obtain on a run, the music is amazing, the art style is incredible and supposedly the game offers dozens of bosses, hidden by completing a certain amount of runs. It's almost an endless experience.
Just different taste in the end, haha.
i just picked up isaac a couple of days ago so there really isnt much nostalgia for me there but i still really like the game. so i guess it just comes down to different tastes
it’s popular because it’s great, there’s a good reason for sure why it’s the most sold roguelike :)
Never let bro cook again 😂😂
What's the point of making a video if you can't express yourself right?
I was just joshin. Everyone entitled to their own opinions, and the video quality was really good. Enough to get a su. From me.
I really understand why you didn't like Isaac but I completely disagree with your argument about people just liking it for nostalgia's sake, I played it for the first time last year and easily put in over 200 hours of gameplay, the game is just good
1,100 hours here :D
Yes it’s simple but is really complex too it’s awesome
So I honestly disagreed with almost all of these 😂 particularly Isaac and Risk of Rain 2, which are my number 1 and 2 Rogue Likes. That said, I really enjoyed your video. The quality of your editing and story telling and presentation are absolutely top notch, humor is on point, everything here was great and truly shocked me that you aren’t a much, much larger channel. Easy sub. And even though I disagreed with a lot of your takes, you explained yourself well, so I can at least respect that 🤝🏻 looking forward to seeing more from you!
I think most people disagree with me because of what I said about Risk of Rain and Isaac. But thanks a lot man.
@@phryd Even if I disagree it doesn’t really matter too much because your arguments were well presented and your video quality was top tier. I don’t have to agree if I’m enjoying it all the same 💪🏻
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@@pk251 yooo what’s good PK!
Very few of the guns in Gungeon are actually bad. Like that bubble gun you specifically complained about, it actually has some of the highest DPS in the game and can be very strong if you learn how to space with it properly.
Yeah, I noticed it was good damage but I'm way too trash at the game to make good use of it. Haha.
@@phrydsame
Although Im upset at your ROR2 ranking, I get it. Its definitely really weird because there is no other game like it. Your biggest enemy in the game is the timer and Monsoon really teaches you that. I too only played on Rainstorm for my first 25 hours and pretty much quit the game after beating it a couple times. Eventually came back on a hunch maybe a year later, played on Monsoon and it kind of just clicked to me. Actually understanding the game and getting consistent runs made me fall in love. Its extremely rewarding to be rewarded for your efficiency as well since no other game really has a difficulty system such as ROR2. I hope you give it a shot again and if you ever decide to play on Monsoon (which is the best part of the game) definitely focus on your movement above all else. Biggest tip I can give is to run in circles. Its obviously more nuanced than that, but its a good start.
I actually tried playing it again and I got motion sickness. It was weird.
Put 600 hours in the first 6 months of owning risk of rain 2 because it just had me in a death grip by the balls after learning item combos but I couldn't get hardly any of my friends to play it. A few actually had motion sickness as well, another couple the just didn't like learning and remembering what all the different items do and the last few just straight up don't like the genre of game. Which is unfortunate because a lot of roguelikes imo have more replay ability than most AAA games lmao
I had never played binding of Isaac and I had the exact same opinion of you before, but I gave it another chance and now I’m fully addicted. So it’s definitely not just because of nostalgia
ror2 6/10 is blasphemy
the binding of isaac is my favorite game of all time not just rogue-like, i do not understand how so many people rank it so low. maybe its hard to get into? breaks my heart
From what I've read in the comments, it does seem like it takes a lot to get into it. I just don't have that much time and motivation to get into it. Haha.
@@phrydbro, you misunderstood. Isaac's point is that even after 500 hours there is still tons of unexplored content in it
@@racoon7657that's not really misunderstanding, that's just not liking a niche game. People don't care to invest 500 hours if they aren't engaged at hour 5
Impressive editing. One of the few videos I watched instead of just listening. You earned a subscriber
I worked very hard on the editing to keep it entertaining. Means a lot man, thanks.
bro your editing is so good, im suprised you only have just over 1k subs. w vid tho
As unfortunate as it is, you're probably going to need to buy the DLC alongside Isaac to truly enjoy it. I wouldn't judge your ranking for just having Rebirth as it seems you did, but when you have everything, the game is STILL being updated, and feels a lot better, with a LOT more content. I can't really justify telling somebody who doesn't like it to spend another $50 to maybe like it though. But it's my favorite game
Yeah, I definitely won't spend more money just hoping that I would enjoy it more.
It's funny how basically every single one of these games has a different perspective. From 3d 3rd person to isometric to side scroller to top down 2d.
Decent variety of games.
Just saw u have 270 subs and only 4 videos atm. Keep going your going to make numbers
Thanks man.
Love your takes man, keep up the good work!
Thanks a lot dude.
Hades and Dead Cells are the best two imo. Only rogues I ever put 300 hours + into, plus Skul. Skul the hero slayer deserves mention, it’s actually great and right up there w the best imo. Playing Summum Aeterna and loving it right now as a side note
I've debated on trying Skul, but every time I just find another that looks more appealing to me.
Oh wow this is acctualy really good im suprised this has so few views
Keep It Up!
Thanks a lot man.
Mate i love your take on these games. I agree with you 💯 on some of them and even thought i was alone in not totally loving some of these. Thank you for the vid and look forward to your content
Thanks a lot man. Yeah my takes aren't very popular but it is what it is.
This is a really good video! One reccomendation I would make is to talk a bit slower, but overall your editing and mic quality is great for a very small creator. Keep up the good work!
I'm glad you enjoyed it! Thanks a lot for the input dude.
Imo I felt he spoke perfectly fine and it matches his editing and video style, but I kinda understand what you mean cause usually review videos are lengthy.. I still loved it though!
@@bestwishestoyou940 To each their own I guess.
Hello hello from your old E7 adventures! I didn't realize where your videos went until i saw this channel.
Super glad you're making a variety of content now and super excited to watch it all! Loved this video! But RoR2 deserved better. You did her dirty XD
Haha, welcome back man.
You simply cannot judge Isaac if you have played it for a small amount of time cause the variety it has is insane. For example, you CAN shoot diagonally. There's an item that lets you do that
Yeah, but I just generally didn't like how the game felt or played.
He didn't have repentance also so kinda explains it but I too think it's not fair ranking it this low if u played like 12hrs
@@ViktorTrifonov_ why do you even CARE if he ranks it low or high? how is his ranking important to YOU? I'm soooo tired of this BS. Someone tells you their favorite ice cream is vanilla, and you all have to spend hours trying to tell them they are wrong. it makes no sense.
@@thomasneal9291 this game is father of roguelikes, by ranking it so low is like not giving it credit, I don't care about rankings, all I wanted was to help him and explain why he didn't like it ast much and give the game another chance because I think he'll like it. Basic isaac is preatty okay ish of a game, its not the masterpiece it is now but it without this mid base game roguelikes as a whole wouldnt be as popular nowadays. By no means I cock suck on any game or anything my opinion is my opinion and it's fair for him and everyone to have their own.
"You have to spend hundreds of hours playing this game you don't enjoy playing or your opinion is worthless to me" do you see how stupid you seem now?
I’m happy for people who enjoy Isaac so much, but I agree that playing it just feels bad. Maybe it’s nostalgia, or playing it when it released…but it’s just not for me with how much fun other games are from the get go.
Apparently not enjoying Isaac just means you're trash at all games and have bad taste.... haha.
I actually use the mod that tells me what items do in Binding of Issac. I do not enjoy randomly picking up items just for it to be terrible lol. Luckily you can still get a achievements!
That would be really useful for people just starting the game, for sure.
Man, I have never had a TH-camr list be the EXACT opposite of mine
Cuz I'm not just a youtuber, I'm also an old man.
@@phryd OH NO!!! That’s the people my mom warned me about… OLD MEEEEN
I started playing the binding of Isaac about a year ago, so I can't really say I'm nostalgic for it, but I enjoy it as a game you don't need to commit time to play. Since the game is built off its simplicity, you don't need to invest a lot of time in a day to follow a story. You can take week long breaks from it and go back right where you left off. I feel like many of the other games on the list become too complex to really enjoy. Along with this, a big aspect that adds to Isaacs replayability is how the game genuinely feels more fun the more you play. The item pool increases after nearly every run changing the gameplay and making it feel fresh. This can go for most games on the list, but personally I feel Isaac does it the best. I tried to play every game on this list, but the only ones I found myself returning to were Isaac and enter the gungeon.
Yeah, I think the simplicity of it is kinda what turns me away from it I think. And I think that's the charm for a lot of people.
Insane production quality, you deserve some recognition !
I play Gunfire Reborn non-stop and I think the gameplay loop is the most fun in this list :>
Yeah dude, the game is so fun. Though honestly if there wasn't multiplayer I think I would have ranked it a bit lower.
@@phrydYou're right, and I don't see a lot of people discussing the game in the comments section, but I'm sure the team will keep optimizing the overall gaming experience
My favorite rogue like is cult of the lamb. I find the town building mixed with the replay loop of the dungeon very fun
Trust me, play isaac with all three dlcs and you will (most likely) love it
While being the definition of a casual player,you are still giving them rating.The first ten hours of roguelike is a tutorial my friend,its not the real game at that point. You cant judge the game if you not even 1/10 way to complete it.All you can afford in your video is saying your first imperession.Of course you will not like every single thing you play for the first time.When you talk about what you like about a game (especially in ror2, isaac, Etg), you often retell the text from the game’s page on steam. This suggests that you played the game because “well damn, we need to insert more games into the video and don’t care how much I understand what I’m talking about.”I hope that all this was just misunderstanding from my perspective,but this is what I feel after watching this video.
There is more things that i disagree in you with, but its more of a personal factor.But the soundtrack... You didn't even mention the soundtrack. The ror2 have a godlike one.And ETG too.
I don't think you've very wrong. I had the idea of making this video, so as I stated in the video... I just gathered the games that other people deemed the best and played them myself. They were specifcally games that I had interest in playing. It would also take way too much time to dedicate 50 hours to each game. I am kinda casual since adulting takes too much time.
I agree that you shouldn't judge a game off just a few hours of play. But in my opinion, I feel it's fair to dislike a game after a few hours but hard to recommend a game after a few hours of play.
My personal list is going to be:
1- Isaac
2- Hades
3- Risk of Rain 2
4- Slay the Spire
5- Gunfire Reborn
6- Gungeon
7- Dead Cells
Isaac has so much depth to it between Lore, Items, Enemies, and Characters it's kind of insane being placed last. The one thing you really pointed out was that you can only shoot in 4 directions, but that alone made you ignore almost every other aspect about it. Obviously some random comments can't convince you to love it, but it's community is way more than people who play it for nostalgia, it's genuinely one of the best games ever made imho. (Not to mention the INSANE modding community it has, far more than any other game I've seen, besides skyrim)
In another note though, you should absolutely check out a game called Astral Ascent, it's still early access but official release will be early 2024 adding the final touches to the story and bosses. Everything about that game is wonderful in my eyes, and it has the exact progression you seem to love.
I mostly just don't like how the game plays. The graphics and anesthetics don't really do it for me either.
I didn't like Isaac because you either feel like a slug or a god. At least at my brief playtime of a 15-20 hours, with the item desc mod, the start of all the runs was super slow, especially due to the 4d shooting, and if I reached endgame it had no challenge. I beat the game twice, and after the second victory, deleted it. Is it just the variety that you like? Genuinely curious not hating
@@TheFuckingKrayz The variety for sure helps, but I mostly love how challenging it is and how you can win any run despite a bad start. It's definitely a slow burner, I won't deny that, you can't quite grasp the full scope of the game with just a couple "wins" because past those first wins, there's even more bosses to unlock, opening more and more floors and items to experience. Start speeds, while somewhat dependent on items, are also heavily influenced by which character you're using.
I think more than anything, I enjoy that the game never seems to end. 17 characters (Plus alternates, making it 34) all having 14 individual unlocks each (alts having 7), makes it really unending, not even taking into account the secrets and whatnot. I've put in hundreds upon hundreds of hours and I've yet to complete everything, so I know that any time I pick it up, there's always something to accomplish.
@@Aerix_Bay I guess it comes down to if you enjoy the gameplay loop. Trying to unlock all those characters etc sounds like torture to me. But hey, if you enjoy go for it. All that said I can appreciate the game from a design stand point. Coming up with all the hundreds(maybe thousands? Idk) items, characters etc is a feat by itself, definitely for an indie title of its time.
I have like 50 hours in Astral Ascent and I love it. Its art and combat are fantastic and the story is really interesting, at least from the little bit I have been able to glean from hearing characters talk in game.
Robo Quests would be a perfect game to place near the top. It has a good story, different characters, and many upgrades.
For me, The Binding Of Isaac got me interested in the genre. I remember playing Dead Cells a few years ago but it never stuck. However after looking into some more roguelikes after Binding Of Isaac, man Slay The Spire sent me down the rabbit hole. I fell in love with the game. Maybe it's just the Pokemon fan in me though
If Binding of Isaac was my introduction into Roguelikes it would have made me sad, haha.
love this video and especially the editing super smooth and professional
Thanks man, I'm glad you like it.
ofc, keep it up@@phryd
1. Gungeon/Isaac
2. Gungeon/Isaac
3. Risk of Rain 2
4. Dead Cells
5. Gunfire Reborn
6. Slay the Spire
7. Hades
Isaac has a lot more depth than you think, you can get some really flashy and broken runs. And depending on your knowledge of the game, you can tip the odds in your favor. Shooting in 4 directions is just part of the game, and Repentance is definitely the definitive version of the game.
Yeah, Isaac has a lot going for it in terms of variety and stuff like that. But I just didn't really enjoy how the game plays in general. Hades at the bottom though? Oooof.
@@phryd yeah, I just don't like the mirror system, it makes the game feel grindy to me.
Maybe I'm weird, but the grind kinda gives me purpose. It feels like a reward from playing.
Great video. Im beyond hype for HADES 2. HADES was my introduction to the genre. Dead cells is fucking awesome too
+1sub
Same here man. I can't wait to play the crap out of it.
One thing u should do when it comes to ror2, play it with friends, it makes the experience so much more fun, and funnier, i think thats what it was built around, whole reason i sunk 200 hours into it, other then that i do agree with most of the list, except for gunfire reborn but thats because ive never played it
I would have to find friends then... The struggle.
@phryd bro I'll play wit ya then, give u the true risk of rain experience
@@phryd you could always do a youtube stream where you play with subs, so long as you are fine with making that type of content that is. Gives you an opportunity to play with people and make content at the same time
@@roguelikes_are_my_roguelife I'll start streaming again someday. Haha.
give it a shot, for shits and giggles@@phryd
you should try nine sols mate..i think you would enjoy it
It's been on my wishlist for a long freaking time.
About isacc I feel like you coud get that grip with the dlc and 50 or so hours (even less) but yeah I get why it feels old, you will probably never try it out again but still I woud really give isaac a second chance with all the dlc since isaac surely deserve it. still a great video man keep it up
I've been thinking about it here or there, but I always find something else to play instead. I do feel 50 hours is way to much to put into a game before enjoying it.
@@phryd fair, I mean cant really change your taste, i cant really do much about it. A shame but still I did my job as an isaac fan lmao. Also my bad for the 50 hours, cant really estimate hoe much time you need to get into the game, so my bad on that lol
In my opinion it's night of the full moon, slay the spire and Hades are my favorite. I'm gonna add a new favorite its overrogue after i myself finish it.
I almost forgot about Alina of the arena
Great editing and literally everything, wanna see more of your content keep it up, because I know you're going to get somewhere big, the video was catchy and on point with great reviews and literally just your own opinions!
Also I really enjoyed the video because all of the thing you talked about was right, isaac is my most played rogue-like but its better with mods, Risk of rain 2 is my second most played one and its also better with mods. I think what makes them "The top rogue-likes" because of their replayability and their mod support. For me gunfire reborn was also the game that I most enjoyed among them, hades was the visuals and everything is just mixed up great and felt good playing. Slay the spire was the one who I couldn't play that much because of the gameplay wasn't meant for me, Dead Cells wanted me to keep playing and playing again to upgrade my stuff and its considered "Rogue-lite" because the gameplay is most focused on its upgrading system. Also ive Tried the Enter The Gungeon but it didn't really catch me somehow even though i've tried it again and again and in 10 hours of playing it, still didn't really catch me.
I can't rank any of them in specific order because they are all the same "Rogue-like/lite" Genre but they are also all different from each other which made me play and love them all, they are all similar and different from each other thats why everyone should give each of them a try before giving their thoughts of it, I really enjoyed playing each one of them.
Nowadays im just really looking forward to games with modding supports because for me, thats what makes the game better, the community itself adding some of their creativity and love on it makes it a little bit better and also makes the game more replayable and enjoyable for me.
Thanks a lot man. I guess I never really looked up much into game mods.
@@phryd Yeah the mods add up to the game way too much, every single youtuber uses mods on their gameplays
I have more hours into Dead Cells and Hades than I care to admit. But Dead Cells is where I still come back to almost daily.
After this video I will give Gunfire Reborn a shot as it looks fun.
My top 3 would be: Risk of Rain 2, Isaac, Hades
I didn't like RoR2 much first at either, but it got way more fun once I understood how to influence my builds with scappers/3D printers/lunar items, and especially once I started playing on eclipse!
Yeah, the game seems to have a decent learning curve.
Enter the gungeon was the first roguelike that I played, and honestly it's one of my least favorites. Definitely not saying it's a bad game, it's great, but I love the sense of being thrown into a world of unknown and learning yourself how things work, because I find the information I learn that way sticks with me better than when someone or something tells me how things work. That's why I really REALLY enjoyed ROR2 when I was addicted to it, it felt amazing learning how different items worked all by myself.
Yeah, a lot of games seem to go with the whole "figure it out" as you go learning. I feel that a little bit of tutorial could go a long ways in getting someone to initially enjoy a game, which is the most valuable time.
Even if I highly disagree with your review and your ranking, thanks for the video because it's always when you see how other players see your favorite games that you can step back and think about it (well, I did and still think you're wrong, but that's MY opinion 😉).
Take care 😀
I think a lot of people think I'm wrong, haha.
At least from the footage here, you didn't sprint once in ROR2, which could explain why you disliked the movement and it probably made the game feel slow.
Good chance you're right. But I did replay the game after making this video and I still couldn't really get into it.
@@phryd have u tried every character?
very good video. I don't know why it has 200 dislikes :( You just told us your own opinion and it looks like some people were having a hard time hearing it...
Thanks man. Sadly I can't satisfy everyone... Haha.
And besides, getting hooked in and being intrigued by all the crazy new shit you're finding is a part of the rougeli(k/t)e experience-- if thats bogged down and impeded by aged controls or physics that feel too floaty, then that hurts that important part of the experience.
For me, I'm definitely at that point of discovery with Noita, and its great. Ive had a few tastes of great power, but it can hardly be called godly yet-- I'm still making my way to the final boss, not even to beat it
Smashing poor steve's head with a tablet will never not be funny, though. Scott, on the other hand... well, I've seen him once. I died shortly after.
I have played every game on this list over 100 hours each and I agree with your rankings literally everything is in the spot I’d have it
This is rare, since it seems like most people highly disagree with rankings for Isaac and Risk of Rain.
@@phryd both Isaac and Risk of Rain have a certain “a-ha” moment where you really need to feel the game at a certain level before it clicks and you really love it.
For Isaac, it seems the crazy fun part is the amount of RNG is so high that you can have truly awesomely unique runs many hundreds of hours into the game. For me, like you, the base-layer combat and mechanics are so simple and boring that I never get that excited about the mechanics that get built up on top of it.
For Risk of Rain 2, a lot of the magic comes from breaking the game and feeling like an absolute god. And then learning how to tweak the game to your liking using artifacts and trying to push for winning in harder difficulties with each character. While I have created godly characters in certain runs in RoR2, the baseline mechanics for fighting felt very repetitive and I personally dislike the time mechanic a lot. I much prefer the gunplay in Gunfire and I like the fact that gunfire is about clearing a room and crafting a build whereas RoR2 is more about racing the clock.
One interesting thing about the list in general is that the games that allow for more control and agency over the in-run progression is what we (you and me) seem to like more. The games that offer less influence over progression and are more random are the ones we gravitate less to. Both Isaac and RoR2 are masterpieces of their own right, but the baseline combat in both games are flat for me compared to some of the rest of the list AND the progression has less agency. Both games also take many hours invested before you really start to appreciate the game on a deeper level but the combat/progression never really let me personally get to that level of appreciation for either game.
I enjoyed the video right up until the ranking.
I hate to say it but a large portion of this list is affected by a lack of skill in some games, while more in others. For example, you never showed yourself fighting ror2 Mithrix. Not to mention you didnt talk about artifacts at all. Even worse, you didnt talk about the true ending of the game, becoming so powerful, God has to shut off your game in fear of you going to kill him.
(This was just a rant defending ror2)
All Valid points, I stopped playing Risk of Rain cuz I didn't find myself enjoying it too much after 5 hours. So I honestly never beat it. I plan to give it another shot though since everyone seems to love it.
fantastic video! subbed and nofications on! keep up the good work
Woo! Thanks a lot man.
Tboi is really good, but you gotta play it with the repentance dlc to have it be the best it can be
The older versions have a lot of issues lol
I'll check some videos on it... Maybe it'll convince me.
I can't WAIT for Windblown. Very little gameplay has been shown but what was shown looks incredible. To me it looks like a Dead Cells spin on Hades. I am so down for that.
Oh that. I think it will be either hit or miss.
Potential is there. Such a passionate team behind it. It's early though. Barely any footage.
If you like Hades you got to check Death must die. Its early access but the power ups and gods is very similar
I see, maybe I'll check it out.
Isaac use the EID mod with Repentance DLC you get the Alt floors and the Alt paths you have 713+ items and 100 trinkets and Alt bosses. The Dead god achievement is one of the hardest achievements to get because it is impossible to speedrun it by the way the game is intentionally made. It can take you years to get it just cause RNG and shit. The end game bosses such as Delirium, Hush and Mother are ridiculous in the DLC. Not to mention the tainted characters recontextualizing the understanding of each character. This game easily expands each run with every item. The game has stats and DMG multipliers too you can show them in the extended hud settings. There's so much that can't be explained in a simple comment.
I believe that the game does have a lot of stuff. But I just generally didn't like the feel of how it played.
I think the appeal for isaac for most players (other than the mods and dlc) is the randomness. The game will never be the same no matter how you play it due to the items. Also the massive amount of content and replayability. I'm over 400 hours in and have 57% of achievements.
I get the appeal, but I just don't like how the game plays.
yeah its practically unplayable without mods and dlc too, some of the other characters are way more fun too@@phryd
As someone with 450 hours in isaac i would also put it at the bottom, that game is the definition of stockholm syndrome.
Also, if you ever wanna play more roguelikes, either for a video or on your own, here a couple that id recommend (in order of how much i recommend them):
-Revita, a platformer twin stick shooter where health is also your currency, also has an upcoming update that will make lots of improvements and add lots of new content to it.
-Dicey Dungeons, an insanely strategic "card game" roguelike where you have abilities that you put dice (which have random values) into to deal damage to enemies. Doesn't have much variety inside of a run but makes up for it by the amount of characters and character variants (which are all basically COMPLETELY unique).
-Going Under, an action roguelike where you have to constantly pick up new weapons in a room because your current one broke, also has a really good story and characters.
-Brotato. Have you seen Vampire Survivors? Well Brotato is that game but with much more variety and much more strategy, it also has modding support to get even more content.
-Blazing Beaks, a twin stick shooter that's all about risk and reward, enemies drop items that make you weaker and then you can remove those items in a shop to get ones that make you stronger. Has kind of a variety problem but is fun enough for it to not be that bad.
-Crypt of the Necrodancer, one of the classic roguelikes, a rhythm game tile based roguelike with an absolutely insane soundtrack.
-Downwell, a platformer roguelike (though it doesn't really have the feeling of one) where you fall down a well with boots that can shoot, using them to either kill enemies or slow your fall. The game is all about getting the highest combo you can without touching the ground. The only problem is that it doesn't have much variety and unlocks.
-Mana Spark, an action roguelike that has a more strategic/soulslike feel to its combat. Does kinda struggle with variety too, with the main change in runs being the character you pick (which are all very different).
-Destropolis, an arcade twin stick roguelike where you just shoot at enemies, try to survive and aim for highscores (pun intended). Your score also gives you progress for unlocks, which there aren't a lot of but they take quite a lot to unlock. Has kinda eh variety too but I think it affects it less than the others.
Wow that's a huge list of games. Some of these games I've seen but haven't had too much interest in. Other I've never even heard of.
Isaac can be really fun, but mostly once you’ve gotten a bit better / unlocked cool items / found a character you like. And External Item Descriptions is almost necessary
And more games, very different from the ones in the video:
Luck be a Landlord
SNKRX
Peglin
Edit: I first played Binding of Isaac after 2 of the DLCs were already released and have mostly only played with all 3 DLCs
Revita is an amazing experience that everyone has to try at least once, amazing art and designs, fun and difficult battle, and managing your health throughout the run to not die from being too underpowered or overpowered. There are a few bugs that you might find when playing runs although they are very rare and require very specific item setups
@@raracabra I've never played Revita but I heard it's pretty awesome.
I didnt start playing tboi until last year and never watched any videos. Great game
Playing wat?
@@phryd the binding of isaac
You are WAY too underrated
Thanks man.
Gunfire reborn is actually the best game of all time and now I gotta go buy it again because of you but still got my full skill tree and that turtle mfkkkkkka damn good video brother got my sub!
Thanks for the Sub man! Wish I had more time to go back and play more Gunfire myself.
I love rougelikes and Isaac has the most different synergies and game-breaking potential which I love, plus there's ALOT of content and replayability.
I just don't like how the game plays I guess.
bro how does this video have 270 dislikes, I don't agree with all his takes but the video is really well made
It's what happens when you don't like Isaac. Haha.
@@phryd so fair
The main problem with Hades is that each run feels the exact same. it’s always the same 4 maps with the same 4 bosses, and there are only 6 classes to pick from. on top of that, when playing Hades i’ve never once had to contemplate a decision whether it was which door i go in or which boon to pick, whereas in Slay the Spire, picking a route and deciding what to buy at the shop and picking which card if any to grab constantly has me thinking. Basically Hades is a game that gets insanely hard carried by its story and aesthetic and slow skill curve, but the roguelike genre is one where the main focus should be gameplay.
True that Hades does get a bit repetitive because there are things that don't change much. I think the gameplay itself is very fun though, so I can forgive that flaw.
Placing risk of rain and isaac that low is a crime
I'm a rebel.
There is a game that's in early access now that I am interested in called witchfire that apparently is like a roguelike but it also looks like it plays similar to doom
Take a look at Deadlink, that's kinda like Doom. I have a little video on it.
Have you seen the game Witchfire?@@phryd
his 7th and 6th are my 1st and 2nd
I agree with the binding of Isaac placement. I just.. don't get why so many people love it. It just feels rough to play for me. The items aren't interesting and the actual gameplay is way to simple.
Also you should try voidigo it's pretty cool and wildfrost but that game is ridiculously hard but not in the bad way
Yeah, the gameplay just isn't my thing. I haven't played voidigo but I have played wildfrost and I do really enjoy it.
@@phryd just saw your video with wildfrost. oops.
If you really think about it, all directions are just right or left at the end of the day 😂
merc on ror2 feels the best out of everyone, i use to love doing Monsoon carries before console got artifacts, i could do full party carries pretty easily but i also had like 1k hours on merc and its kinda hard to mess up when you have so many s.
That's a lot of hours...
Yo youre tripping with binding of isaac you CAN shooot diagonally with specific items or characters
add timestamps to videos and write what game you're talking about somewhere on screen.
Hoping RoR2 get's a high ranking
Edit: Oh
I can hear the disappointment in your comment.
@@phryd Lmao It's alright everyone has different views on shit
Ok im not hating but playing isaac withot any dlc is like playing a re textured flash game, i know its not for everyone but have you seen this many people with this many hrs in a single player game?? Isaac is a masterpiece of a game and while its like the father of all roguelikes still is THE BEST rogulike l, isaac has a huge content dlc plus an actuve modding community. I recommend really giveing it a second chance with item description mod. Isaac has alot of thinking there for alot of "break" potential and combos u can abuse and is fun to play with. These breaks are the reason for ppl to have this many hrs. Anyways just my opinion as i said no hate u didnt give isaac a chance and didnt play what was supposed to be played.
I'd be willing to put a few more hours into Isaac after seeing so much support for the game. But I feel that if I can't enjoy myself after a few hours then I can say that the game is probably not for me.
@@phryd respect that after all everyone has taste 👍🏿
bro didn't have his God Run in Risk of Rain 2
Theres a newer roguelike that ive heard is an upgrade to gunfire reborn, ever tried roboquest?
I read through your comments on people comments on risk of rain 2 and the fact you didn’t know you could sprint but rank the game low and boring is wild 😂😂😂
I will not stand for this Risk of Rain 2 slander (i am sitting)
honestly this list just feels like you made it in a couple weeks trying to squeeze content rather than really trying the games out... placing isaac in the bottom really just shows how you made like 10 runs and called it a day instead of taking your time to... you know... play the games.... roguelikes are complex, demanding, time consuming but the key thing about them is just hopping on them from time to time to try and master their mechanics, not something like a singleplayer game with a 10-20 hour campaign. These are games you usually need to dive into to fully understand their appeal and try to master, dealing with unexpected shit and trying to play your cards to get a clear advantage and if you know what you're doing you will start to get runs that takes hours of just pure fun and chaos.
yeah I get it, you probably dont have the time or motivation to really play these games but if that's the case what's your point? the game you can get the most satisfaction with just a couple hours playing it? because these are games you need a couple hundred hours to really try and talk about them. they are meant to be extremely replayable and you really should consider this the next time you evaluate them
Nice point. Totally agree
You are right, I don't really have time to put 50 to 100 hours into every game just for a single youtube video. This video itself already took me nearly 2 months to make as it is. As a normal gamer you'll usually be able to dedicate a lot of hours to a single game to enjoy. But when making content, most of the times people will only put 5-10-ish hours into a game, especially those who make videos about a variety of games rather than just 1.
“Bullet hell game” *shows American school anti shooter pod.*
Fucking 10/10.
Just telling it like it is man.