Collector cars don't have to be expensive: in defense of budget dream cars
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Today we just kind of bull**** our way through some user-submitted listings from Discord. There isn't a single 240SX for sale in this whole bunch. Is this the S Chassis Report? Is this Collector Car Feed? Is that a Saab 900? What's a Saab SPG? What's a Packard? What is this and why are we doing this? Who do we think we are? What? Why is this 12 minutes long? Was that Craigslist?
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While I agree with Netgear on the ability to find a deal on lower end popular cars, I can't say the same applies to the top halo cars, they're pretty much unattainable anymore to the average person. Even lower trim model skylines are overpriced by association. 10k for an r32 sedan with a single cam automatic 🤮
Finally someone says it. While my current dream car isn't expensive (KE70 Corolla), the specific version I want is very rare (LHD Corolla 2 Door Wagon), and the mods I want to do (Newer interior, 2ZZ or 4AGE, Disc brakes) would also take a lot of time. So while the dream car wouldn't be expensive, it would mean a lot to me to build still
Based and e70 pilled
As much as I'd love a 4age for my ke70
If the 4k engine you get it it runs good.. run it not at "powerful" but a dime a dozen and super easy to work on.
wow, that is an old pick. Respect
I still see those cars from time to time. Even 2 door wagons. Theyre ugly as tits as 2 door wagons though
wake up babe new CCF video just dropped
But it’s reused material 😒
The facts this channel hasn’t blown up yet is insane
Man the old falcons are awesome, while they may not demand collector car prices (unless it's a sprint), they're killer little cars. In Canada they sold like nuts and back in the day you saw a good chunk of drag racers run them due to how light and disposable they were. If you think 240 shell asking prices are nuts, try looking at classic cars in Canada. The crack floating around in the Canadian classic car market is WILD.
Same in the U.S, I think it's like this all over the world.
Its a shame you lot did get the Australian falcons, heck I think the mid 2000s BF falcons look better than the comparable mustang.
It would be cool to see more videos like this one* thats just all the 'non collector' cars like the S12, where the value is probably topped out. These types of cars are my favorite because the low barrier to entry allows new people to get into a sports car to tinker with for cheap, another example would be the RA64/RA65 Celicas.
All the ingredients for a slow sports car for very cheap to mess with for noob 'car people'.
Hey it's you! 😎
@@wr1ght939 Hey! its me, Nimbus!
Noob cars for noob drivers are a field that needs to be remembered! That's how people used to get into cars for decades and it seems like only now does everything have to be locked behind a lease or loan.
a rare nimbus appears!
I had an 05 Cobalt SS 6 years ago, it was actual really quick when you stuck an upgraded pulley on it. It was fully loaded and had the Recaro's that people like on the supercharged half of the production run. I had lots of memories with friends and had some great roadtrips. I need another one.
Ever think AB getting the turbo next time around?
@@toddthezondalover645 I have actually. I wanted a Turbo originally, But no Dealer would go down on their price. I checked as far away as California(I lived in a small ass city in Kansas at the time) and no one would budge on prices for a very clean and unmodified Turbo. I was also looking a ones with 30-60k, No one would budge. But the supercharged one. A ford dealer up in Omaha dropped the price by 5k with just under 40k on the dash.
But I also loved the Supercharger whine, Its tough to choose. But I would definitely love to try a turbo at some point. Has to have the big spoiler though, Thats a must for me.
@@joshuakhaos4451 I don't think the Turbo came with the square spoiler, only the lower profile one, but I could be wrong. Easier to swap a spoiler than an induction system lol. I've been looking too bc I want a quick fwd car but all Hondas are too expensive and SVT Focus' are rare
@@toddthezondalover645 I pretty sure some were made with the big Spoiler, but more were made with the tiny one than not. The Sedans are cool too, and fairly rare. Seriously, these cars are so underrated. And can put down some impressive numbers when tuned right.
Oh yeah, I want to also try a Honda Hatchback so bad, But with car prices and finding one that isnt completely trashed or completely modified and 9k is hard. And the EP3 SI's are running between 4-8k depending on condition and mileage(Still want one though). And Theres a few SVT Focus's near me, they're pretty cool and unique. Definitely not a common car. Especially nowdays.
@@joshuakhaos4451 SVT with a 2.0 EcoBoost would be a cool sleeper. A Cavalier with an EcoTec would be cool too.
im probably few younger people interested in old packards but that’s just cause of the cool styling and there are lots of classic car meets around me
classic cars are cool as heck! only sad part is that parts are becoming increasingly hard to find and, when you do find them, it’s usually super expensive or used (needing rebuild)
Packards aren't even desirable from the "classic car" crowd tho
You're not alone. I'd own one. I'd even take one of them old late 40s Hudson Sedans. About a decade ago, I had the chance to get a stupid good deal on a fully functional and recently mechanically restored 58 Cadillac Sedan. Body had very minimal rust, glass was perfect, chrome was still very shiny and all the electronics inside worked flawlessly. All it needed was a new interior, a little bit of dent repair along with some missing trim pieces and a respray. It drove beautifully and basically fired up with the turn of the key. They wanted 8k for it... I kind of hate myself for not taking that when I had more than enough cash to buy it and make some repairs.
But I decided to take the money and more states and start a new life.
@@carfriendsimulator9981 What?? Depends on the year and model but there are plenty of desired Packards….
34 packard 12 is literally my all time favorite cars… im 19
i was actually considering getting that saab 900 and even spoke to a local saab guy about it. he said if you had the money to throw at it then it would be a worth while fun car
If you can find any parts.
The parts to Saabs are easily obtainable, this is well known on the east coast. However I have Family in the midwest and he says mechanics panic and claim it's so hard to find parts and are terrified to work on his 9000 Turbo and 900 turbo. I also have/had both and have never had issues getting parts or having repairs done.
I'm a cheap car guy. It doesn't even have to be a performance car. I drive a Ranger with all the miles, old as dirt, and I love it.
Old beater trucks are finally getting love, why not shitbox cars?
Former Ranger enthusiast here, most reliable vehicle I have ever owned.
@@CollectorCarFeed They say the Ranger model after mine is the Miata of the truck world.
I had the modern equivalent, the D40 Nissan Frontier. Simple trucks are based.
There's a whole category of these topped out, non-collector cars.
RA64/RA65 Celica, ST162 Celica, AE92 Corolla GTS and SR5, Paseo, Mazda MX-3 and MX-6, Ford Probe, Pontiac Fiero, Nissan Pulsar NX (the US Pulsar), S110, S12, 300zx Z31, Subaru XT, XT6, and SVX.
There's a bunch cars like this that are very attainable. Some are forgotten for a reason, like the SVX or Fiero. But some genuinely are REALLY, REALLY good platforms without all the markups of more popular chassis. I've owned three RA60 Celicas, and only JUST now bought my first AE86. I spent 3k on the AE86, and I've spent 4.7k on my nicest RA65 lol.
Some of these cars aren't "cope cars", especially Toyota products. The RA60 is a completely different driving experience, and I honestly prefer it. Not having an anime, or drift tax, or 2000s shitty blockbuster inflate the prices just leaves more of these interesting cars to people who want to put in the work.
One thing I don't think I've ever heard you guys mention, is how deliberate price inflation keeps some of these chassis from absolutely becoming extinct. The AE86 is such a good example of deliberate price inflation to keep knuckle-dragging brainlets who just got off the tofu hype-train for wrecking more of these chassis.
I would definitely like to see more of a spotlight on these attainable classics for sure. Maybe do a video talking about the RA64/RA65 Celica?
Based take.
I think a suzuki swift gti could be put on that list
I kinda dig the Probe, and the AE86 was originally in this class of car. The underappreciated under powered car. If you watch the anime, that was even the point. The 86 was trash. I don't think he raced a single car that wouldn't have beat the car 2x over on any other type of race, and often far worse than that.
I think it's cool, but I don't get why people want to race it, and while I'd enjoy one, I'd never go out of my way for one. I mean, it's an over priced low tier car.
@@LegendStormcrow yeah honestly all the ea86 has is the engine, which does better in kit cars like in the super 7 replicas but even then there are better engines to run now days anyway. Heck I wouldn't even think of getting a AE86 just due to the fact of the GT86 and GR86 existing and better parts availability
@@GTSW1FT If it were not for 1 legendary driver and 1 anime, no one would know it. The AE86 is a memecar.
Yoo CCF you had to be absolutely blasted when you open up with "we got a 2004 Scion Ion Redline" 😂😂
Edit: OH MY GOD YOU SAID IT AGAIN BRO STOP
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Ive recently fell in love with a 660CC turbo 3 Cylinder FWD convertible, the Daihatsu Copen. Its not fast, its not big, its just cute and makes you smile.
netgear sus for the middle school girl comment 🤔
wtf....
that intro go hard 🔥🔥
I didn't know this mindset existed. And when I did it converted me to being a "car guy" like what you like. It's about art on wheels. Art is subjective. I'm a black guy that grew up poor and adore Volvo's. My dad had a turbo brick that he got because it was safe and built to last. They remind me of my dad. Classy and sensible.
Yep, exact same thing happened to me. When I realized that a “cool car” I could enjoy driving didn’t have to be an expensive sports car, it changed the game. I have a mid 90s Oldsmobile wagon and love basically everything about it, for me it’s absolutely an enthusiast car.
That Flat brim cap joke killed me.
I can’t unsee it now
no shot you're going to find an 88 saab for 3900 where i'm from, jesus christ.
the euro spec S12 from the thumbnail tho. euro spec tail lights are incredibly difficult to find and look sooooooo good on USDM mk1 cars with a mk2 SE lip kit and spoiler
Look in Australia, we had them for the last bit of its lifetime, I'm guessing they're all in wrecking yards now because I see one every 8 years lol
Any plans on another Hard Truth video? I miss seeing mr gonzo’s luscious locks
We need an "Angel NetGear' Video lol
Sooner than you think (the soonness may shock you)
Last year I picked up my affordable dream car which was a 1989 lx mustang. Not very fast stock but I’m swapping a built 351w in it. Never fails to make me smile driving it around.
Saab SPG stood for Special Performance Group it was an uptrim optional package on an already expensive for the time car.
(Edit for spelling)
Love this channel
My budget dream car would be a 4th gen Honda accord coupe with the 5 speed. Don't know why I like this specific accord so much, but I do.
Had a cobalt SS. So much fun. Also my first car was an S12 notchback. Wish i could get one again.
Got my XR4Ti for $1500USD in 2015. Still find them in the $2-$4k range, even today. The Sierra Cosworth parts, that bolt on, are worth more then the car value.
My 5k car story:
Last summer I got an mk5 supra and wanted to find a reliable car for the winter to keep the supra put up.
Took MONTHS. But I found a 1 owner, gigantic folder of maintenance, 30 pages of carfax, including gaskets which are the number 1 problem.... buick century. With 85k miles. I felt like I hit the lottery. It's immaculate, grandpa maintained. It's certainly not fun or cool... but it's perfect. And cheap, easy maintenance.
So it's hard but you definitely can find good stuff!
i got my rust free running and driving 1988 S12 notchback/coupe for $1500, last year. The CA20E is gutless but the car was really clean and cheap and fun.
I like how not only are all the cars in the video ones I posted in the podcast chat, I seem to be one of the only two people who actually got excited over that packard. If I had the money, I'd buy that sucker and have a great time fucking about with it.
What would you do with it and what gets you going for post war sedans
The Packard is dope. There's so many old 40's and 50s cars that I'd be down to own. And outside of the Tri Five Chevy's, I think that market by in large is about to seriously drop off. And prices my really come down on most of the cars of that era.
@@CollectorCarFeed I'd find a way to daily it by either sourcing wear components for the drivetrain or immediately planning a swap for when the engine can't handle me. Something about pre-war and early post war car design just sings to a time where things had to be built to satisfy the kind of people that made do with as little as possible.
The way the car looks, that old school aero design, calls back to boy racers of the 20s and 30s who had to juice their rides to get business done in a harsh time. Plus, a set of fat wheels under a skirt makes for a seriously cool silhouette.
If I had that thing, I'd drive it til one of us kicked the bucket either as a daily or a funday car. Of course, I'd have to have a source on wear parts like plugs, and finding a gasket for that things smoking could be a real bitch, but the fact that it runs means that the major stuff is still there and in running condition so the biggest headache would be updating spark so im not relying on a shitty distibutor from the land of cheap steel.
On the bright side, there are plenty of old fossils that still love this era and have a monthly meet where they and the younger scene showoff their cars. There's 20's all the way up to present day cars most of the time, a neighbor at the other house I lived had a 66 mercury comet custom that I talked and helped out with when I replaced my trucks power steering pump and radiator. At the time he decided his kids wanted to keep it and started working on it again to drive it to the show instead of him and his shop buddy trailering it looking for buyers. If I had the stones to pony up the 4k he asked for it, I woulda bought it and start messing with it to make it a second daily or just a fun off day car.
@@joshuakhaos4451 I'm so looking forward to it, I'd love to do an engine swap in a wartime coupe or sedan, build my own ratrod, even.
@@LukemDakuwa Ive actually thought of getting one of those old Chevy Fleetline torpedo coupes and swapping out that I6 and sticking in a Buick 3800 Supercharged engine along with a 5 speed manual on the floor. And up grade the brakes to something a bit more modern. I'd have one hell of a fun runabout and even a cool roadtrip worthy classic.
That or I do a Turbo setup on a 60s GM 292 I6 on one or an early- late 50's Truck/Suburban.
You nailed exactly why i like old JDM cars better than expensive cars. More style, character, but overall and most importantly, attainable to the working man
i managed to get a zc swapped 88 CRX HF, with the center console, parcel covers, euro red crx seats, no rust/damage, floor mats, Si wheels, and only 300,000 miles on the chassis with ~120k on the drivetrain for 5500 in july 2023. Still runs great. The interior parts i listed are worth around 2.5k alone due to rarity. most fun car i’ve ever driven
i noticed on that 200sx turbo it had 4 lugs then the red one had 5. i had a few dodge daytonas and chrysler lazer turbos back in the day 1985-87 the first year had 4 lug then they went to 5 early cars they always work out the bugs i really liked the turbo front wheel drive for the snowy salt lake i moved to. i grew up in la and had several fox body mustangs and capris the turbo was fun and the 86 svo was a much better deal than the 5.0. turbo fox body tbirds and cougars would be a cheap route to go and the mark lincon with the 5.0 would be another cheap hot rod and you can’t forget your panthers and GM caprice and Buick’s twin
Straight 8s with equal length headers sound AMAZING and unique in person. You put that car on bags and have a comfortable time with great engine noises.
For me my dream car has always been a Mitusbishi Eclipse 2nd Gen "as stupid as it sounds i know lol" but you can barely find one in a good and unmolested running condition nowadays since most of them either are rusted to hell, have a blown engine or are Paul Walker's tribute car projects "don't get me wrong about the last one, the guy was a cool actor and stuff but haven't we seen enough of those tribute cars already?"
I also understand the "Get a GS-T/GSX dude, AWD 4G63 engine bro, so sick no cap frfr" but here's the thing, the latter is pretty much impossible to find here in Puerto Rico therefore you'll have to settle with the weaker Chrysler engine one unless you swap it for something better. But as they say beggars can't be choosers
I love the 98-00 Imprezas. I have 2 wagons but I'd love to have a coupe someday.
For me my obtainable dream car is literally my neighbors mustang. Sure, one day I want a Blue C5 Z06, but I love that 01 Bullitt a hell of a lot more. Even if it's slow, even if the interior is cheap and it needs a lot of cosmetic work, it's what I fell in love with.
94 wrx dream car, got it now, dealing with the common issues, next i can throw on a hks exhaust and get a chip soldered on for a tune, then mess with the wheels and that’s it i think
yo bro im thinking about buying this toyota cellica st205 gt4 wrc edition, the guys selling it for £3.8k about $4k, its mostly stock with just some simple suspension upgrades and theres only a tiny bit of rust on the ineer right fender, thoughts on it?
Sounds like an easy buy
Hey, your website is actually awesome, but is it possible to add some sort of "choose your own car" custom search for cars not listed? Or perhaps request a car?
I don't know how difficult the programming is to add cars if there's some sort of assisted AI learning it has to do or if it's as easy as typing in a new car name.
Some vehicles that come to mind are GSXRs (you only have Hayabusa and SV650) and the less popular sporty Kei cars like the Subaru Vivio RX-R, Suzuki Alto Works, etc. I'm risking shooting myself in the foot by bringing attention to them, but whatever, I'm also helping to keep tabs and find one I might want.
I came here fir the thumbnail, s12s are my heart
Falcon was test bed for mustang... and AUS falcon are King 👑...my 225hp 98 rustang not rusty... is fun to drive. With spring n bars and brz or Miata style formula for tires . Make fun car
My first car was an auto 1987 200sx , lots of fun . got me hooked on japanese cars
I remember seeing a s12 a while back for around 6k 80k miles and it looked really clean only problem was bent fender and it was 3 hrs away, would've been cool
The car I drove in HS, which my dad has "mostly" restored, was a '67 Mustang (289cid auto). It was pretty fast in a straight line, since it'd had some work done, but I was glad to park it when I got my first of two MR2's. My first was a silver '85, just like the one dude has for sale in Netgear's video, and my second was a red '91 w/t-tops. I know y'all rag on the t-tops, but that shit is FUN! Bitches dig it, too.
S12🥰
Although it isn't rare, I will keep my Volvo 240 wagon as long as it isn't wrapped around a tree, I have a Volvo 164 that's in need of restoration and a Nissan 200B (
Hell yeah cheap classics are cool, they have so much character, and that's what makes them interesting
That packard would make a neat lead sled.
Saw my dream car, an s12 hatch as the thumbnail, decided to watch.
My dream car is a pontiac Fiero, i bought mine a while ago for cheap and love it, I don't care that it will get gapped by a chevy cruze, I love it.
Just an FYI, Maine facebook market place has no shortage of parts fieros
All about the fun where you can find it.
I’ll take the saab first then everything is second on my list thanks for sharing 🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲
the LCN intro 👍
Copyright check taking forever on this one 😬
Yooooo I was looking at that saab!
I pick cool car dirt cheap still. Just make friends with you local tow truck drivers. They all know that if a rx7 ,miats or datsuns come along to call me.
I pay cash and less than 1500 for everything. I gave 1200 for my nb 6speed hard top for example.
This is the way.
Always trying to skip short 350z part of ad and now ad changed and my ff landed on the 350z ad. Good evening.
As a big s12 guy (I had an SE V6 in high school), y'all nailed it. $15k for an s12 is insane. It never got enough exposure to get any clout. There was no Initial D for the s12 and look what it did for a fucking Corolla! If I could get a Grand Prix s12, it'd be worth 15k to me. Only 50 produced for Europe and (possibly) Russia. Widebody fenders and an FJ20et turbo 4 cylinder engine. They're unobtanium though.
Agreed! Give me a second generation Lincoln Town Car... Makes me smile.
i got my toyota soarer mk2 and im so glad, i do not know what else i want after this
you guys shoud do bmw E30 soon :) dream car has been E30 since when i was 8 year old, now 24 years old in 2019 i got it and now it sit's in garage for 2 years still working on it.
Silvia might be slowest car but ppl just love it. it inspire me dream car not just about fast, high tech and advance german car lol
i feel represented lol i think this might be the first s12 thumbnail i have seen in years
“Why are we not funding this” -Peter griffin
saturn sky redline, honda s2000, mk4 supra. my top cars.
I totally disagree about the S12. They're becoming such a unicorn car to get. Those cars are gonna go up in value similarly to the MR2 and the Celica.
Lol no they're not
That Packard could be sick with a bit of work and some airbags.
I've been waiting for y'all to look at a Saab
I bought a 1999 Saab 9-3 Turbo for $1,900 Canadian. Most enjoyable vehicle I've ever owned.
Do C4 Corvettes fit this list? There's plenty of those where I live, but not really any good Miata's. We're talking under 5000 dollars, 4000 even.
If you want to find a deal you have to look for a long time and you have to be willing to drive three or four hours each way
C4s used to fit, but they are on the upswing right now
Netgear is crazy, C4 is a Copevette and does fit this list, they're cheap
Feed is a furry.
@@carfriendsimulator9981 📢📢COPEVETTE 📢📢
man yall awesome
I got my FD RX-7 for $4620, I can't help but measure everything against that. Of course it was kinda clapped out but I was able to sell the spares and drivetrain for more than I paid for the whole car (I'm LS swapping it). I'm using the full Parts Shop Max catalog, Ronin Speedworks subframe, 8.8" mount etc
The Packard would make a cool bagged or lowered lead sled. Then again I like the super old cars
The 84 200sx doesn't list the mileage because it's got a digital dash that probably went out by now 😂
Im thankful my 84 300zx has the analog and cloth. It has withstood the test of time better than its electric/leather counterparts
What a good video
I dunno, i like old cars but i wouldnt be picking up that packard for 8,500 if were talking daily driver
I have owned few Saabs (live in Finland so pretty normal) absolute pain in the ass if you need to do work on them but man they are fun to drive.
The Saab does look like a flat bill hat and I'll never unsee it hahahaha
eyo god yier into song. la coka is one of the best groups to touc a mic. i thank u for beng genteman n scholars for knowing so. btw ccf is dopest shit(both chanell n search engine) ive come across in stupid long
^god tier intro.... tf musta had anurism while typing
Omg. That Mark Roden take is so funny. Hyperlul
As I just work my way through old uploads from one of my new favorite channels, I have to ask why sometimes the "wanna talk some shit?" Isn't beeped, and like t his video it isn't. Are some of them monetized and some not?
id love to see nb2 content. In the market and would love to hear what yalls have to say .
I always remember when the AZ-1 first became legal to import, Everyone was crowding it at this car meet. asking questions, and people were like "this is so fucking cool" and these were boomers, children, etc. people who aren't JDM nuts. This same car meet had lambos, ferraris, higher end vettes, etc. But this little autozam was getting all the attention.
Soo in all honesty.....I bought a 2006 cts cadillac...265 hp...3.5...rear wheel....had some offsets on it shit looked clean..bought it for 1,950.....yes it was lil rough but that's the benefits of being a mechanic
My dream cars are actually the Saab 900 and Volvo 240, sedan.
Netgear absolutely nailed that. I've never cared about supercars, personally. They're impressive, but I'm not really interested.
The s12 saga continues
I’m stuck between buying and building . C5 or C6 corvette are turn key fun.
Sc400 is at least 15k build but are hella cool.
Hard choice
Depends on if you're going to enjoy spending time wrenching and looking for parts to have fun later, or simply just stand on the gas and have fun right away
C5/C6 because they're lighter and you'll have a larger range of be aftermarket performance for cheap.
Sc400 is nice too but it's only automatic and they're pretty heavy, but solid solid cars.
Why are 900 SPGs going for $25-40K 💀
Who wouldn’t want half of a reworked triumph V-8 with a tiny turbo?
maybe its because they are insanly rare?
@@usernamesrpointless1 yeah who wouldnt, find a fwd car that drives better than a saab, ill wait.
Saab sonnet i or ii:) or the vw sp2!
so glad i could get my dream car in perfect spec for 10k easily (not that i have 10k for it)
I like supercars and all but what if my dream car is a VR6 swapped Subaru WRX bugeye wagon? People say dream big? don't, dream fun!
My future VR4 Galant is out there somewhere 😢
Rarity, scarcity, prestige, stories behind a car make it great. Yes I love "basic" cars, speed isn't everything.
4:25 is a beautiful car
if that $3900 saab ran i would buy the hell out of it
the s2000 will one day be on the supra level of unattainable. it’s only a matter of time until people realize how good those cars are and then everyone buys them and become the next 240…which is why i’m trying to buy one right now lol
Yes s2000 is also my dream. You can still get a Supra for 30-40k. You must have confused it with the R34 gtr which is 100k at least
@@unrealmagic6519 u can’t get a good supra for 30-40k, they always have hidden problems. either it’s rhd with hidden rust or hella beat usdm. if u really want a mint s2k u can get one easily for 35-40k with sub 40k miles, i don’t think u can say the same w the supra
the s12 is certainly shooting up in value now. They are just hitting peoples radars.
Bought a z3 for this reason
The S12 is so unknown it's criminal
just got my dream car in october, my family thinks im autistic, but i love my 90 EF hatch
12:00 ah.. packard.. manuals are easily EV Swapped.. it could live again, only waay faster