It's not just the new car. Its the point system, playoffs, stage racing, and forgetting about the fans that got them to where they were. This is just my opinion.
Do away with stage racing and the playoff nonsense. I would argue the last race of the year is the most important one...not the Daytona 500. Most points at years end win. Get rid of dirt at Bristol and go back to the oval at Indy. Want a road course how about mid-Ohio and Laguna Seca. Indy should be an oval. Now we're going to Chicago, yet Fontana is done. When Martin goes, I am gone. Losing Harvick also sux. Good luck nascar with 22, 23, and golden boy Elliott.
We're 63 year old grandpas who went to the races with our grandpas and we're slowly growing extinct. If NASCAR are heading for electric cars & hybrids and hoping the fan base comes from teens with a boner for Natalie Decker, it may not be worth saving.
Hey, his opinion is the only one that really matters because he knows how to do that sing-songy voice speaking from the diaphragm thing and sounds nice on the radio.
Hendrick, Gibbs, SHR could leave nascar & start their own series tomorrow & nascar would be F'd. I havent watched a nascar race since 2015. I will not support a corrupt corporate business that it has turned into. I still follow people who make nascar videos sometimes cuz I love racing but I DO NOT support nascar at all anymore. I think nascar already died, it just hasnt happened yet
When you watch the championship final race you aren't seeing the best racecar driver in NASCAR who will be crowned the champ. You're seeing the luckiest one...
Couldn’t care less about “championships” anymore. As Kevin Harvick said they’re not the ones Petty and Earnhardt used to win. Only Motorsport where the best team of the season won’t be the champion.
@aaroh3031 Back when Petty was winning championships the winner of a race was often the only one on the lead lap. Fans don't want to spend money and fight traffic coming and going for that! The playoffs were a reaction to Matt Kenseth who won the Championship without winning a single race. When Winston was the series sponsor, RJR Nabisco had astro bucks and limited places to spend it. They were throwing sacks full of money at NASCAR and the NHRA. The quality of the racing product never entered into the equation. They were more about elevating the facilities and the series. Once "evil" tobacco was forced out of sports marketing, sponsors were more interested in the bottom line, and the quality of the racing actually mattered. In both NASCAR and the NHRA, it was possible to lock up a Championship long before the last race of the season. Hard-core fans might not care, but you need the less than rabid fans to survive! If the final race had no special meaning, fewer tickets were sold and fewer people tuned in to watch on TV. NHRA started playoff racing and NASCAR followed. In the NHRA, it's still possible to be crowned World Champion before the World Finals, if you dominate the final 6 races, but it's almost impossible. Same went for NASCAR. The current NASCAR playoff system GUARANTEES the final race matters! Look EVERY championship points system is, to a certain extent, contrived. How you award points and what you award points for. At one point NASCAR, before the playoff era, would award points for leading a lap, and didn't care if your teammate moved over so you could, and also handed out points for most laps led. Thing is, the championship now often goes down to the last lap of the last race. How the hell is THAT not exciting! NHRA did similar things, awarding qualifying points at each event, extra points for low elapsed time and fastest mph in each class, as well as points for setting a new World Record. Anyhow, I'm old enough to remember when the NHRA "world champion" was simply whoever won the World Finals. A couple of "world champions" won their first, last, and ONLY NHRA race to take the crown! Still, that was the system at the time, so historically, those championships are just as legit as any other. Anyhow, their are bigger worries to fret over!
I don't watch much racing anymore. I'm not too fond of the way NASCAR has gone in the 2000s. I raced Late Model Sportsman in the mid-70s for 3 years and then for another 9 years after our track dropped our NASCAR affiliation. I really dislike all forms of spec. racing. We had rules but the NASCAR rule book was very small back then. Now it has become what I hate the most and is probably the worst form of spec. racing I have ever seen. Whatever happened to the concept that they were supposed to be Stock Cars with safety modifications required for good reason. These are not Stock Cars any longer at all. There are also all the other changes like the chase for the playoffs, racing in segments, etc. Why can't we go back to "run what you bring".
@@trev3971 That is correct but till the car of tomorrow, they weren't really spec cars like they are now. When I raced LMS There were still performance modifications that were allowed but the chassis and basic body were stock but sometimes modified.
@@trev3971 I agree but when I raced the cars were still mostly stock with a few performance modifications allowed, racing tires & wheels and most important were safety modifications.
Who ever seen a professional sport sell charters for millions of dollars, run 3/4 of a season declare a mid season champion, than take the top 16 and run for another championship. If i owned a charter and didn't make the top 16 i would park the car and let the 16 cars run and see what kind of a crowd that would draw
Kurt Busch is the perfect example.... slaps the wall coming out of the corner costs him his career. How many head injuries will it take? Were already at 4?, 5?, 6? now? Harvick and KB#8 have both been vocal about driving these turds. NASCAR has shitloads of cash but dont wanna do a proper car to keep their drivers safe. It will take a fatality to cause change sadly.
Nascrap has been going into the toilet for years."Car Of Tomorrow" "Lucky Dog","Playoff Points","Stage Racing" now cookie cutter cars and penalties for everything, have not watched a Nascrap race in years.
I am not a supporter of the Confederate flag, but if someone wants to fly that flag NASCAR has no right to band this expression. The can simply say on their web site that fans expressions do not generally represent the viewpoints of the management and staff of NASCAR and leave it alone. They are bending to the left wing crazies. What's next - banning the national anthem or no longer allowing the pledge to be said/sung? And a crap rap group (hopefully with no foul language or "hate cop speech" during their performance? Crappy music choices! B-NASCAR FAN-Gardner
Thats pretty ridiculous when someone suggests cracking down on rules will cause fatalities Lol. Clickbait at its finest That bit aside, theres nothing wrong with cracking down on rules for spec cars. The entire origins of "cheating" in NASCAR was to get your car more competitive because your Monte Carlo might not be as fast or stable aerodynamically as the Thunderbird behind you (or you could just take it into the grass i guess 😂). This entire culture of modifying your car came from the non-spec roots. Now that its a spec series you dont need that to be competitive. Just look at what Indycar has done over the past decade. They have identical spec cars and their racing has quickly become the best and most closely competitive racing series in the world. For NASCAR its a big change and a different era for sure but not necessarily for the worse Now all of NASCAR's other changes? Thats a different subject. Almost all of their other changes like stage racing and the playoff system and all that crap is just them throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks. All of that is a completely seperate issue
I follow Formula one as my favorete sport and people say it should go spec with one body and identical airo. So in order to do well you need to cheat and bend rules. NASCAR has a strict inspection process for all car's before the race and after Race. This would be harder to do in F1 as all teams do things different inside car. And word can get out that team A is doing this and tell team B. So spec racing is easier to regulate as it is obvious when something is different than something else. I have a short attention span so it is good as it chops race into 3rds (well a little less so you get a longer stint to finish) But at the end of the day i don't care who won stage 1 or stage 2. I just care who gets the over all win.
Nascar is so full of it's self I am about done with the sport. If they want everything even they should supply they car's so the drivers and pits guys show up a hour before the race and leave the junk ass Next Gen car there for Nascar to fix. They dont have practice or happy hour any more so why should the whole team show up 2-3 days before the race. Nascar should supply the cars and pay the drivers & crew for the day then those guys can go home and Nascar can get them ready for next week. That would leave the drivers more time to race other sanctioning body's like World of outlaw's, SRX, & etc, etc. Frankly I am really getting into the Sprint cars & SRX series. If Nascar goes Belly up it's there own fault and if you really think about it it all boils down to Greed. Nascar has gotten way to greedy. Nascar has more Drama than just about any drama show. Some may like it but I'm sick of it.
NASCAR needs to remember one thing…. Hendrick, SHR, RFK, Gibbs, 23II and RCR can always decide to pull an F1 @ Indy and park their cars in protest. And hopefully, it’ll happen sooner rather than later.
Except the owners asked for a cheaper car, cheaper racing, and cheaper track expenses. The owners wanted the single source part rule so they could save money on R&D. They car is tougher so they don't destroy a whole car when they hit the fence. It's modular so they only have to replace a front clip or rear clip if it gets damaged during racing. And oh yeah, the clips BOLT on, they are not welded together.
@SteveTheExploiter and you left out, the new car sucks, terrible racing, would be much better for a demolition derby, oh wait that is what nascrap has become.
I miss the older way of doing things. It’s been getting worse since the COT (gen5). We are at the point where this is spec racing. IROC. One of the coolest things about NASCAR in the 90’s and 00’s was when one team would figure out an innovation and then start beating everyone. It would take weeks sometimes but then another team would figure it out. And then the rest of the teams would and the field would level again. But it was something you tuned in for. Is anyone going to beat them this week? It forged rivalries. It galvanized fanbases. And for some stupid reason no one can explain, NASCAR has been doing everything it can to stamp this out for the last 30 years. Notice that every time they update the cars and rules to makes the playing field more even and the cars more the same, the ratings and attendance drops? Hmm.
You’re spot on. My wife and I went to Darlington this year, my first race in years, and I was stunned at how slow these cars are. In 2004, my parents and I got hot passes for the spring race there (for the price of a regular ticket these days I might add), and on pit road, you could see the subtle differences between cars like the 8, 20, and 24 even though they were all Monte Carlos. THAT is a big piece that’s missing presently.
I think all fans enjoyed this system, but it does disproportionately favor the richer teams. If a team finds an exploit and Hendrick can replicate it, they can afford to put it on all their cars. Many teams can't. If an engineering arms race goes on for too long, smaller teams will give up and drop out.
One of the things that maybe you don't know. The team owners asked for this new car as well as stiff fines and penalties for cheating. They got what they asked for and now they are crying like babies.
The NASCAR fanbase is the problem. They cause these problems by endlessly complaining about everything. Then, when NASCAR listens to them and make a change, the fans then complain about the change. The fans have no right to whine about these changes because they themselves are the ones who demanded them in the first place. The playoffs/chase, the new car, the stage racing. It’s all on the collective fanbase, who jumps on Twitter and TH-cam to complain after every single thing that happens in the sport.
NASCAR has lost it for me. Can’t watch the races unless you have four streaming services, or a ridiculously expensive XFinity/Comcast bill. Then, make all the cars the same except for the stickers. Then add stage racing, and playoffs?!? Racers used to have be consistent over a grueling, long season to win a Championship. It’s not exciting anymore, and is almost predictable with bully’s on the track and whiners instead of racers. They’ve near lost me. Regulate the engine (EFI, V8) and let the innovators make improvements. Regulate the body some… but let the body shop build winners. Safety should still be job one for NASCAR, but let the teams innovate and win. The fans will appreciate the competition. Get the access to TV fixed. We can’t afford to watch, much less buy tickets to more than a race or two. Support the fans too!
Don't need 4 streaming services at all. You should be able to have just one that gets fox, FS1 and NBC and USA Network. If you're talking streaming services like peacock that a different story
@@johnhaas2523 And have you seen the cost?? It just keeps going up and up and up!! IF NASCAR wants fans and viewers, it needs to be as accessible as possible. OTA (over the air) TV is when they had the most viewers and fans in stands. Don't assume every fan has broadband, almost 1 in 4 don't. It's pretty cavalier to just tell people subscribe to this, that, or the other when even if they could, they can't.
@@johnhaas2523 Please let me know what ONE streaming service allows you to get all those channels. I only have internet, so streaming is my only access to TV/NASCAR (all three series). Thank you!
When he says fatalities and injuries... He's not talking literally. I'm fairly certain he's talking about teams shuttering and people's jobs on teams and in the sanctioning body.
from 10 million avg viewrers in gen 4/5 to barely 3 mil in gen 7. Its pretty obvious what Nascars goal is. Get rid of the fans because were a nuisance. Replace us with high money sponsors. Just like F1
@@ronemotorsports3008 and yet, here I am a former diehard fan of 25+ years who’s given up my season tickets to Bristol, quit spending thousands of dollars on merchandise a year, and never missing a race on tv to comment on a video that popped up on my feed about the issues Nascar and it’s dumbass clown leadership has caused that has undoubtably shrunk its fan base by huge numbers. Keep drinking their “we like what we’re seeing” kool aid, shill. I’m one of those people that helped make the people in this sport a ton of money when they weren’t shit. I’ll comment on whatever the hell I like. 🖖
You can tell that Dave Moody has never raced a lap in his life, never worked on a race car with his own two hands, never crewed, never anything but announced. NASCAR has been campaigning that it’s “lost track of local short track fans” and wants to “return to its roots”. The entire local circle track atmosphere has always had a foot in the outlaw circle. It’s a way of bucking conventional hobbies like watching sports to risk money and physical harm for an adrenaline rush and the hood of winning glory. Outlaw and rule abiding don’t mix and never will. And to think nascar is the only racing series with cheating, just look at formula 1, IMSA, the trans am series, any drag racing series etc. Dave Moody had a piss poor take as always.
Haha I know I about died when I heard that. I raced from 4-25yrs old. My6 kids do also. But he doesn’t understand. Watching equal cars race is like watching paint dry! Anyone that says diff. Has no clue what’s going on. You can have the best driver in 15th but it’s impossible to pass. Also the point of racing is build a mouse trap and we will see on Sunday who did the best job! Today with the aero blocking and equal cars this isn’t true anymore. It’s literally slot machine racing.
It's not even cheating though. Trying to find an advantage without breaking the rule book is hardly cheating. That's why NASCAR now needs a 10,000 page rule book so that even sneezing on the car can be called "cheating". You know what's really cheating? Going up and intentionally crashing a guy out of the lead and taking the win because you didn't have the speed or talent to pass him. And that's 100% legal in NASCAR.
@@johncalla2151 that is part of their history as well. Moving guys out of the way is legal, wrecking them allegedly is bad form but often the aggressor always says "it ain't my fault he doesn't know how to drive". I think a little push and shove is fine but if you put guys into the wall to pass, that is over the line and too much of it has gone unpunished. And in the road races, leading with two to go means you are dead meat. The ability of these guys to pass is tossed aside and they just flat out run you over. Guys like Mark Martin are the exception, not the rule
NASCAR worked hard to shed its image as a 'southern redneck sport'. Well...turns out, it was alot more entertaining when it was a southern redneck sport.
Why don't they just go full on IROC and stop acting like they aren't already there. Do away with crew chiefs and garage teams, let PRIDE-ful NASCAR do it all. No innovation, no experimentation, no advancement, just total parity like most sports are already pushing for anyway ! At least it will be a quicker death than what they're doing now !
You are correct. Nascar use to be about creativity, bending the rulebook. They might as well be IROC. I think they are already there. But....IROC had much much better racing imo.
The team owners were looking for a way out of the problem that having a organization too heavy with engineers created. The cost was too much for them. They complained to NASCAR once to often and NASCAR offered to solve their problem. Be careful what you wish for. The team owners crawled into bed with a rattle snake. NASCAR is a governing body period. It has NO experience actually building race cars. It has an R&D center. But it does not have an organization of dedicated professionals who actually build race cars for a living. WHY, would you want to change that? The team owners opened a Pandora’s box they cannot shut now. NASCAR always wanted an IROC series. Now they got one. All they have to do is do away with the crew chiefs and pit crews. Shorten all the races to less than 200 miles to fit into a better time slot for the networks. Bring all the cars in for mandatory 5 minute pit stops for safety. Now NASCAR has exactly what they want everything is all equal and boring. The sooner this new turkey is fried and eaten the better for everyone.
Nascar's R&D center as well as their upper management is full of people who "built race cars for a living".They have been cherry-picking the best and brightest guys in the garage for important positions since Nascar's inception,so to say they have "NO experience actually building race cars" isn't really true.
Same, i could name all the drivers and the ones that didnt qualify back when red bull was starting as a team. From 1990 until then. Now i only know who Alex Bowman is because of Cleetus. I also just got home from a dirt track race.
Not happening. Where would they race? Marcus Smith owns most of the tracks and NASCAR the rest. With so many sell out crowds this season, I can't see Smith pissing off NASCAR to go rogue. It would cost hundreds of millions of dollars to build new tracks, if you could find land to build them on, and afford to buy it. We're losing tracks to warehouses and housing tracts now! The only cheap land is where no one (including fans and infrastructure) is!
The teams have the power, Nascar needs them more than they need Nascar. They get pissed enough they could walk away and start their own leagues. Honestly, I think they should give teams certain parameters, and let them do as the may. No rocket fuel in the engine, or any changes that impact driver safety. Other than that build your best T-Rex car and lets see what happens.
@@jamestone265 I suspect we end up either with tracks like Winchester, Oswego, and other old ASA tracks driving on the short ovals, or we'd end up with a V8 Supercars or Stock Car Pro Series in Brazil where it's all on road courses running alongside IndyCar. Edit: Actually, that might lend to more exciting racing with 25-30 cars on a mixture of the various courses NASCAR doesn't own.
I say let the most "innovative" teams win within the restrictive horsepower parameters. Any team who finds a racing edge outside of the mandated hp/aero range should be fair play.
CARS Tour is just a framework and starting point for Junior, Burton, Harvick & Marks…something’s cooking and it’s gunna be catered to the taste of real stock car racing fans but portioned appropriately to be a money maker for the owners…don’t have to be the biggest and definitely don’t have to be everything to everybody to be high action and high profit
The injury and fatality will be NASCAR itself. No matter who tries to hype the New NASCAR, it will fail and the rating and empty stands prove it. I have never seen such incompetence!! I have never seen such arrogance telling me what I will like or I can pound sand and am not a real fan. I'm also losing respect for these former drivers telling me that what I'm watching is the best racing ever when it isn't. I didn't even bother to turn on the 600 this past Memorial Day. I've tolerated the "chase" and all the idiotic changes to try and draw people in. Almost half the field qualifies for the playoff now!!! But I will say the Next Gen car may be the nail in the NASCAR coffin. Don't try and tell me what I need to like. Don't tell me "I don't get it". NASCAR has been slowly killing itself for the better part of 2 decades and is blaming the once loyal fans for it's demise because it doesn't get it. If I don't like what you're selling... I AIN'T BUYING IT!!!
Nascar will do stuff like give us this piece of shit spec car and in the same breath Trump out names like Junior Johnson and Smokey Eunick as legends and laugh and smile about there “innovations” give me a break
Moody plays up to his not so sharp audience. No doubt guys will get hurt in this car as it has already happened several times with concussions but a fatality aint happening in these tanks
They should just do rules similar to F1. Teams can build the cars within certain stringent regulations. Take a stock chassis and engine then build it up. As long as it meets the more stringent requirements good to go.
I'm with woke car. Afraid to discipline Bubba Wallace. I compare Bubba the Punk to Anton Brown in NHRA. Anton is a true Champion with class. He started his own team, won lost and won again with NEVER A HINT of the race card Bubba should be gone considering his mouth and actions on or off track.
Sooner or later teams will break away from NASCAR and start a whole new series. NASCAR is killing themselves. NASCAR is altering the points championship so whoever wins it is just a fake championship anymore. Dont believe a thing Dave Moody says since he works for NASCAR and thinks his shit does not stink.
It will not be long until NASCAR will be like going to the amusement park and driving those governed down go karts. It is not racing when the race is won on pit road or gas mileage. The car in front cannot be passed on the track unless someone stays out on old tires during a caution.
Getting uglier before it gets better. I'm getting 1979 CART/USAC vibes right about now. Go read Gurney's white paper. Go read it, and read it in the context of 2023 NASCAR. Am I the only one seeing similarities and feel like if enough team owners are at their breaking point, we may well see Hendrick, Gibbs, penske, et al walk? probably not Penske since they were around in 79 and 96, but....
Penske probably wouldn't be a leader in a split. But, given he now owns Indycar, and it is already in direct competition with NASCAR many weeks, if a number of other teams pull out, it may be beneficial to join them and schedule some stock car-Indycar double-headers.
People angry at this culture change are idiots. Why has it cost so much to race? Because of TEAM SPENDING of which the rampant cheating is a very significant part. NASCAR teams have no business objecting to the mammoth fines. They should instead police themselves and each other. Police each other to stop the spending, to stay in the rulebook. Staying in the rulebook is actually simple. Teams brought all of this upon themselves. No one else did. Yes the culture should change. Replace if-you-aint-cheating with stay in the rulebook because you make it worse for everybody otherwise. Replace speed-costs-money with balance your books better and build your cars to blast into the lead, not to be “the fastest car,”
Stop pretending that change doesn't and shouldn't happen. Time stands still for no one. Every racing season is next gen. These cars are the most pleasing looking and raciest cars in years. I've returned to watching NASCAR with this modern car. If the dominant teams with their bottomless pits of money don't like racing with strict rules, then move on, your crying is embarrassing. The same teams, same drivers, same manufacturer controlling the sport was predictable and boring. I say yes to new younger drivers, new cars, new rules, new tracks and maybe new fans, stock car racing isn't going anywhere it's just moving into the twenty first century. Thank God!! I'm sixty nine years old, I've seen change, you may not like it but it happens and you just might as well roll with it and stop acting like the world is coming to an end.
I am a NASCAR purist, and we will prevail, one way or another! ALL of this nonsense started with "the playoffs". It's stupid and gimmicky! Read the room NASCAR! You are abandoning your entire fanbase that got you where you are now!!! Might as well call it the "bud light cup series" at this point.
Yeah last I heard they admitted to the fact The part wasn't supposed to be on the car but somehow it was on there anyway. So how was it legal if they admitted it wasn't?
NASCAR has no credibility in serious racing circles because of their culture of cheating, phony yellow flags, and the other gimmicks they use to gin up their "sport", I think NASCAR has decided stop being the equivalent of WWE with tires.
I MHO NASCAR is acting like a parent whose kids ran wild until the parents cracked down on them. The teams want to be able to modify the cars. NASCAR is telling them no you won’t. They’ve had enough of 60% of the field not being competitive. The pie is shrinking and the top tier teams resent being told to let some underfunded teams have a chance. But, the money is not coming in like it did 10-15 years ago. M&M/Mars, gone. Tide gone. Sponsors are unwilling to pay for publicity like they used to. The money isn’t there. The underfunded teams are in more trouble than ever. Drivers are losing money. That hurts. So, the pressure has been ramped up, drivers are taking more risks than ever before. Sometime, there’s going to be a super bad wreck. The current generation 7 car is less safe than the generation 6 car. The cars aren’t as powerful as they used to be. Passing on some tracks is more annoying. Drivers are motivated hard charging guys. Piss them off, one of them’s going to go out and take a chance, and kill another driver. Worse, they have been lulled into a sense of security and safety that isn’t warranted. Driving at high speeds is and always been dangerous. Too many drivers can’t comprehend just how dangerous it truly is. Piss one off too many times, and boom. Wreck. Fire kills. Safety devices fail in a crash if it’s bad enough. They have been flirting with death and death just might come calling for an unwary driver, crew members, fans or the media talking heads. There are drivers out there that are flat not good enough to handle these machines. We know who they are. Inexperienced, hungry drivers will take unnecessary risks. It is Russian roulette and there might be a bullet in the proverbial chamber. Drivers can expect to be caught taking one unnecessary risk too many times. It’s scary. A fatality’s going to prompt some states to ban NASCAR or other motor sports. Legislators are going to hit motor sports hard in the event of a fatality in their state.
If there is a rule against it, then dont do it. But have to let these teams be creative to make their cars better. I get it, costs were getting out of control. But teams should be allowed to tweek things to make it 100th better. THATS NASCAR!!
"We expect everyone to get in line, and we'll learn together." Yeah, buddy. "Learning together" isn't about "getting in line." Another corporate beatdown. Time for a new league.
Want to see how to ruin a sport? You have it right here. Bill France sr. Had it right. Nascar handles the racing. Sponsor's sponsor the racing. Winston did it right. I stopped watching nascar when corporation's started controlling the racing. The point system during Bill France sr's reign was as perfect as it could be.The racing was awesome. The old tracks were awesome and created great racing. Now it is a clown circus. RIP nascar.
Used to watch every second since the early days of ESPN and weekly live casts of the whole nascar circus….more $$$ spent than I’d hate to admit. Now? 3-4 laps here and there, that’s it. Going to be less….
NASCAR IS DYING!! It's their own fault. I WAS a diehard fan. I haven't watched NASCAR in several years and I don't intend to EVER watch again. I'm not alone!!
Sad to say but I lost interest in NASCAR quite a few years ago. To much politics. I think the power went to NASCAR's head. I feel bad for the drivers and teams.
So, the culture change is forcing teams to stick to the rules, implying everyone was cheating in the past? Hmmm? I guess to sign a new network contract, there must be no cheating.
The REAL problem is the looming tv deal and revenue sharing. That WILL get ugly, and do not be surprised is you see one or more series land on a streaming platform. Teams will figure it out w the single source parts,
Personally I think the only thing that should be messed with in the car is the seat or the type of seat used in the car. Whatever seat a driver is comfortable with and as long as it’s in the height/weight limit while also making the driver as safe as possible. I like the fact almost every car is the same, it shows who the damn good drivers are to the ones that aren’t at that level yet/will ever be at… but anything to make the sport safer I wouldn’t mind budging that part of the rule book. Anything to make this sport safe I feel should always be tried whatever it may be
It seems that the phrase single source part is a distraction from the fact that nascar is close to being a full spec series like IROC was. Even the engines are close to identical. It’s a shame. I miss the days of the rubber mallets adjusting the rear spoiler on the last pit stop..
Nascar began to lose its way a long time ago when they became a big business that forgot about the fans back home who built it into the cultural and sporting phenomenon that it was. Get rid of the spoiled frat bros from up North and come back home and race.
"We want you to compeat where it matters like pitstop strategy." What pitstop strategy? You mean pit at the stage break? Just like everyone else does? There's no strategy there just trash.
The whole “cheating is what built the sport” argument is so dumb, cheating isn’t a good thing. I do not care who has done it in the past, Petty, Johnson, whoever. I don’t care, that’s not a sport, breaking rules to get a competitive edge on your opponents isn’t a sport. The competition with the Gen 7 is the best it’s EVER been in NASCAR’s history. Does it have issues that need to get fixed? Absolutely it does, it took 22 years for NASCAR to move into the 21st century and i’m glad they did
I am taking a break from watching the 24 Hour of Le Mans and caught your vid. If the NASCAR crowd isn't watching too, they are missing the explosive impact that Car 24 is having on the 300,000 people who bought tickets for Le Mans and the tens of millions listening to Radio Le Mans and watching on TH-cam and tv. Garage 56, the NASCAR entry car 24 is HUGE. The sound clips on TH-cam are extremely popular. If NASCAR wants to stay alive it has to get new viewers and if they can keep running a road car like 24, which is FASTER THAN EVERY GT CAR IN THE FIELD, they will have a much broader tv audience, at least. If NASCAR takes this experimental car on the road to general audiences and fields twenty more like them they might have a winner on their hands.
I have been a Fan since Tim Richmond came on the scene in 1980. I have always supported the sport, Racers, races ect. But I think the WOKENESS is KILLING NASCAR! It has become about - Do as I say OR ELSE! I believe NASCAR will bankrupt some teams! Rules, penalties, politics, supporting WOKENESS, - I am all about being diverse, I love anyone racing! but I was a RACE FAN, I’m not a WOKENESS fan! Of yea- I’m a 99 Fan- or was anyway.sad state of affairs!
Back in the day, as a kid from the North, the "innovation" was half the reason I was ever drawn to NASCAR in the first place... The "corporatization" of every little thing turns fans off. It makes things feel cold and inaccessible, instead of friendly and relatable. You'd think that you'd want to reward creativity and ingenuity, which would happen naturally by winning the race. Then, if you deem it cheating, make another rule afterwards. Taking points and food off of peoples' tables for using their brains to find an edge just seems absurd. Especially as an American.
I think that I'd like to see NASCAR change the rules to compensate for minor car innovation. Allowing teams to modify certain faucets but aim to keep an overall consistency in car performance
NASCAR lost me when they uprooted and went Hollywood. The car's are butt ugly and look like Matchbox toys, the penalty's can be a death sentence and the driver's have to (act) in the show. I'm trying to reignite the fire I once had, but please go back to regular racing and let history hopefully repeat itself.
If all parts are coming from one manufacture approved by NASCAR and some of those parts are deemed illegal, then its really NASCAR picking and choosing which drivers and teams they feel like penalizing to keep their fledging business model afloat...
For all of you still watching NASCAR , I would suggest that you abandon it and head back to your local tracks and support local talent.. The best racing was the Midget Nationals at Belleville High Banks
Nascrap only cares about money and any way they can get it is okay. It was a more fun/interesting series when the cars looked like real and there was cheating. That was what made the series interesting. If you want to see how far the series has left its roots, try to buy a 2-door Toyota.
I do think the over aggressive drivers is a due nascar fault.. they require equal equipment plus a few years ago they said boys go at it on the track .. so that only gives the green light for divebomb moves. So they help give birthday this new way that the older gen style don't like
Nascar is 100% responsible for it and I’d say that’s what they wanted to create. The playoffs and win and you’re in encourages wreckless driving. Its now better to junk the leader and finish 1st than race him clean and risk finishing 2nd.
I dont like the kit cars, but the Teams asked for them sobthe Teams need not complain. As for the championship system, it is whst it is, but a driver can win the first 35 races of the year, then lose the championship by finishing 2nd for any number of reasons completely out of their control
Some of the greatest legends of this sport were the innovators to downright cheats. It's so ingrained as to be part of the fabric. But then again, NASCAR has done everything possible to get rid of and drive away the old chasing the new.
Frankly, I don't give a hoot in Hell what these people do. I haven't, since about 1982 - when the cars that the "National Association of STOCK CAR Automobile Racing" had running around in little circles - weren't even remotely stock cars any more. As for what "NASCAR" has running around in little circles now? They should just stop lying to us fans who remember what NASCAR was supposed to be about; change their name to IROC; and call it a day. And I'll watch what I grew up watching - sports cars - REAL, actual production cars - racing on a road course.... As it is now? The France family has finally done to NASCAR what Bernie Ecclestone did to Formula 1; turned it into a toy for their own amusement, where they can make rule changes on a whim, and screwing with it simply because they can.
It's not just the new car. Its the point system, playoffs, stage racing, and forgetting about the fans that got them to where they were. This is just my opinion.
Do away with stage racing and the playoff nonsense. I would argue the last race of the year is the most important one...not the Daytona 500. Most points at years end win. Get rid of dirt at Bristol and go back to the oval at Indy. Want a road course how about mid-Ohio and Laguna Seca. Indy should be an oval. Now we're going to Chicago, yet Fontana is done. When Martin goes, I am gone. Losing Harvick also sux. Good luck nascar with 22, 23, and golden boy Elliott.
Oh, it’s not just YOUR opinion. It’s seems like the majority of fans feel that way.
@@mlwilliam213 hearing that NASCAR has tweeted out about how proud & accepting they are of pride month.
We're 63 year old grandpas who went to the races with our grandpas and we're slowly growing extinct. If NASCAR are heading for electric cars & hybrids and hoping the fan base comes from teens with a boner for Natalie Decker, it may not be worth saving.
@@GregBrownsWorldORacing good point
Dave Moody has been one of the main appologists for every single idiotic changes nascar has made in the last 20 years.
Hey, his opinion is the only one that really matters because he knows how to do that sing-songy voice speaking from the diaphragm thing and sounds nice on the radio.
He’s a company man and never takes a real stand
Hendrick, Gibbs, SHR could leave nascar & start their own series tomorrow & nascar would be F'd. I havent watched a nascar race since 2015. I will not support a corrupt corporate business that it has turned into. I still follow people who make nascar videos sometimes cuz I love racing but I DO NOT support nascar at all anymore. I think nascar already died, it just hasnt happened yet
@@TheeGlocktopus I can’t listen to that guy.
@@TheeGlocktopus Bagley is way better
When you watch the championship final race you aren't seeing the best racecar driver in NASCAR who will be crowned the champ. You're seeing the luckiest one...
By that last race , your getting four of the best drivers.
Couldn’t care less about “championships” anymore. As Kevin Harvick said they’re not the ones Petty and Earnhardt used to win. Only Motorsport where the best team of the season won’t be the champion.
Hasn't that always been the case?
@aaroh3031 Back when Petty was winning championships the winner of a race was often the only one on the lead lap. Fans don't want to spend money and fight traffic coming and going for that!
The playoffs were a reaction to Matt Kenseth who won the Championship without winning a single race.
When Winston was the series sponsor, RJR Nabisco had astro bucks and limited places to spend it. They were throwing sacks full of money at NASCAR and the NHRA. The quality of the racing product never entered into the equation. They were more about elevating the facilities and the series. Once "evil" tobacco was forced out of sports marketing, sponsors were more interested in the bottom line, and the quality of the racing actually mattered. In both NASCAR and the NHRA, it was possible to lock up a Championship long before the last race of the season. Hard-core fans might not care, but you need the less than rabid fans to survive! If the final race had no special meaning, fewer tickets were sold and fewer people tuned in to watch on TV.
NHRA started playoff racing and NASCAR followed. In the NHRA, it's still possible to be crowned World Champion before the World Finals, if you dominate the final 6 races, but it's almost impossible. Same went for NASCAR.
The current NASCAR playoff system GUARANTEES the final race matters!
Look EVERY championship points system is, to a certain extent, contrived. How you award points and what you award points for. At one point NASCAR, before the playoff era, would award points for leading a lap, and didn't care if your teammate moved over so you could, and also handed out points for most laps led.
Thing is, the championship now often goes down to the last lap of the last race. How the hell is THAT not exciting!
NHRA did similar things, awarding qualifying points at each event, extra points for low elapsed time and fastest mph in each class, as well as points for setting a new World Record.
Anyhow, I'm old enough to remember when the NHRA "world champion" was simply whoever won the World Finals. A couple of "world champions" won their first, last, and ONLY NHRA race to take the crown! Still, that was the system at the time, so historically, those championships are just as legit as any other.
Anyhow, their are bigger worries to fret over!
There's luck in every sport
NASCAR has never made a mistake in Moody’s eyes. God forbid if you call him and question NASCAR’s decisions. 💩
I don't watch much racing anymore. I'm not too fond of the way NASCAR has gone in the 2000s. I raced Late Model Sportsman in the mid-70s for 3 years and then for another 9 years after our track dropped our NASCAR affiliation. I really dislike all forms of spec. racing. We had rules but the NASCAR rule book was very small back then. Now it has become what I hate the most and is probably the worst form of spec. racing I have ever seen. Whatever happened to the concept that they were supposed to be Stock Cars with safety modifications required for good reason. These are not Stock Cars any longer at all. There are also all the other changes like the chase for the playoffs, racing in segments, etc. Why can't we go back to "run what you bring".
Cup cars haven't been stock cars for 50+ years.
@@trev3971 That is correct but till the car of tomorrow, they weren't really spec cars like they are now. When I raced LMS There were still performance modifications that were allowed but the chassis and basic body were stock but sometimes modified.
@@trev3971 I agree but when I raced the cars were still mostly stock with a few performance modifications allowed, racing tires & wheels and most important were safety modifications.
The chassis and engine were where most of our performance modifications were made.
Who ever seen a professional sport sell charters for millions of dollars, run 3/4 of a season declare a mid season champion, than take the top 16 and run for another championship. If i owned a charter and didn't make the top 16 i would park the car and let the 16 cars run and see what kind of a crowd that would draw
That would be interesting to see, because they aren't drawing many now!!
Literally all the big professional sports are like this. Seattle Kraken's expansion franchise fee from the NHL was $650 million.
NASCAR does not sell charters
@@johnhaas2523 But they do control them. If you don't do well, they take it from the team.
Kurt Busch is the perfect example.... slaps the wall coming out of the corner costs him his career. How many head injuries will it take? Were already at 4?, 5?, 6? now?
Harvick and KB#8 have both been vocal about driving these turds. NASCAR has shitloads of cash but dont wanna do a proper car to keep their drivers safe. It will take a fatality to cause change sadly.
nascar just changed all around! thank god i went in the 80s and 90s! have a bunch on VHS 😅
Nascrap has been going into the toilet for years."Car Of Tomorrow" "Lucky Dog","Playoff Points","Stage Racing" now cookie cutter cars and penalties for everything, have not watched a Nascrap race in years.
"Adult" bumper cars on par with TV Texas Wrestling.
Bans the confederate flag and has a rap concert open the season.. Yeah I’d say there’s certainly a culture war.
I am not a supporter of the Confederate flag, but if someone wants to fly that flag NASCAR has no right to band this expression. The can simply say on their web site that fans expressions do not generally represent the viewpoints of the management and staff of NASCAR and leave it alone. They are bending to the left wing crazies. What's next - banning the national anthem or no longer allowing the pledge to be said/sung? And a crap rap group (hopefully with no foul language or "hate cop speech" during their performance? Crappy music choices! B-NASCAR FAN-Gardner
The Klan robe crowd got all riled up and no one else noticed.
We need more drivers like JOHNNY SAUTER who know what real racing is!
Thats pretty ridiculous when someone suggests cracking down on rules will cause fatalities Lol. Clickbait at its finest
That bit aside, theres nothing wrong with cracking down on rules for spec cars. The entire origins of "cheating" in NASCAR was to get your car more competitive because your Monte Carlo might not be as fast or stable aerodynamically as the Thunderbird behind you (or you could just take it into the grass i guess 😂). This entire culture of modifying your car came from the non-spec roots. Now that its a spec series you dont need that to be competitive. Just look at what Indycar has done over the past decade. They have identical spec cars and their racing has quickly become the best and most closely competitive racing series in the world. For NASCAR its a big change and a different era for sure but not necessarily for the worse
Now all of NASCAR's other changes? Thats a different subject. Almost all of their other changes like stage racing and the playoff system and all that crap is just them throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks. All of that is a completely seperate issue
I follow Formula one as my favorete sport and people say it should go spec with one body and identical airo. So in order to do well you need to cheat and bend rules. NASCAR has a strict inspection process for all car's before the race and after Race. This would be harder to do in F1 as all teams do things different inside car. And word can get out that team A is doing this and tell team B. So spec racing is easier to regulate as it is obvious when something is different than something else. I have a short attention span so it is good as it chops race into 3rds (well a little less so you get a longer stint to finish) But at the end of the day i don't care who won stage 1 or stage 2. I just care who gets the over all win.
Good points.
Its Too White an powerful ❤
NASCAR has killed itself! I won’t watch again!!
NASCAR is not dead so do not make false claims
@@johnhaas2523
It’s a far cry from the good old days!!
Nascar is so full of it's self I am about done with the sport. If they want everything even they should supply they car's so the drivers and pits guys show up a hour before the race and leave the junk ass Next Gen car there for Nascar to fix. They dont have practice or happy hour any more so why should the whole team show up 2-3 days before the race. Nascar should supply the cars and pay the drivers & crew for the day then those guys can go home and Nascar can get them ready for next week. That would leave the drivers more time to race other sanctioning body's like World of outlaw's, SRX, & etc, etc. Frankly I am really getting into the Sprint cars & SRX series. If Nascar goes Belly up it's there own fault and if you really think about it it all boils down to Greed. Nascar has gotten way to greedy. Nascar has more Drama than just about any drama show. Some may like it but I'm sick of it.
NASCAR needs to remember one thing….
Hendrick, SHR, RFK, Gibbs, 23II and RCR can always decide to pull an F1 @ Indy and park their cars in protest. And hopefully, it’ll happen sooner rather than later.
Except the owners asked for a cheaper car, cheaper racing, and cheaper track expenses. The owners wanted the single source part rule so they could save money on R&D. They car is tougher so they don't destroy a whole car when they hit the fence. It's modular so they only have to replace a front clip or rear clip if it gets damaged during racing. And oh yeah, the clips BOLT on, they are not welded together.
@SteveTheExploiter and you left out, the new car sucks, terrible racing, would be much better for a demolition derby, oh wait that is what nascrap has become.
I've been watching NASCAR since the 90s and some of the best racing I've seen has been in the last 2 years.
@@populisttrope9385 Drama is not racing. 90% of the races are remembered for the drama not good racing.
@@SteveTheExploiter Yeah you really think Denny's #11 only needs a new front clip from his wreck into the wall at Charlotte?
I miss the older way of doing things. It’s been getting worse since the COT (gen5). We are at the point where this is spec racing. IROC. One of the coolest things about NASCAR in the 90’s and 00’s was when one team would figure out an innovation and then start beating everyone. It would take weeks sometimes but then another team would figure it out. And then the rest of the teams would and the field would level again. But it was something you tuned in for. Is anyone going to beat them this week? It forged rivalries. It galvanized fanbases. And for some stupid reason no one can explain, NASCAR has been doing everything it can to stamp this out for the last 30 years. Notice that every time they update the cars and rules to makes the playing field more even and the cars more the same, the ratings and attendance drops? Hmm.
You’re spot on. My wife and I went to Darlington this year, my first race in years, and I was stunned at how slow these cars are. In 2004, my parents and I got hot passes for the spring race there (for the price of a regular ticket these days I might add), and on pit road, you could see the subtle differences between cars like the 8, 20, and 24 even though they were all Monte Carlos. THAT is a big piece that’s missing presently.
the teams asked for this to help.limit costs
Your 100% right, lets go back to the 70s and 80s and let them race.
I think all fans enjoyed this system, but it does disproportionately favor the richer teams. If a team finds an exploit and Hendrick can replicate it, they can afford to put it on all their cars. Many teams can't. If an engineering arms race goes on for too long, smaller teams will give up and drop out.
One of the things that maybe you don't know. The team owners asked for this new car as well as stiff fines and penalties for cheating. They got what they asked for and now they are crying like babies.
The NASCAR fanbase is the problem. They cause these problems by endlessly complaining about everything. Then, when NASCAR listens to them and make a change, the fans then complain about the change. The fans have no right to whine about these changes because they themselves are the ones who demanded them in the first place. The playoffs/chase, the new car, the stage racing. It’s all on the collective fanbase, who jumps on Twitter and TH-cam to complain after every single thing that happens in the sport.
W
NASCAR has lost it for me. Can’t watch the races unless you have four streaming services, or a ridiculously expensive XFinity/Comcast bill. Then, make all the cars the same except for the stickers. Then add stage racing, and playoffs?!? Racers used to have be consistent over a grueling, long season to win a Championship. It’s not exciting anymore, and is almost predictable with bully’s on the track and whiners instead of racers. They’ve near lost me. Regulate the engine (EFI, V8) and let the innovators make improvements. Regulate the body some… but let the body shop build winners. Safety should still be job one for NASCAR, but let the teams innovate and win. The fans will appreciate the competition. Get the access to TV fixed. We can’t afford to watch, much less buy tickets to more than a race or two. Support the fans too!
100%
Don't need 4 streaming services at all. You should be able to have just one that gets fox, FS1 and NBC and USA Network. If you're talking streaming services like peacock that a different story
@@johnhaas2523 And have you seen the cost?? It just keeps going up and up and up!! IF NASCAR wants fans and viewers, it needs to be as accessible as possible. OTA (over the air) TV is when they had the most viewers and fans in stands. Don't assume every fan has broadband, almost 1 in 4 don't. It's pretty cavalier to just tell people subscribe to this, that, or the other when even if they could, they can't.
@@johnhaas2523 Please let me know what ONE streaming service allows you to get all those channels. I only have internet, so streaming is my only access to TV/NASCAR (all three series). Thank you!
When he says fatalities and injuries... He's not talking literally. I'm fairly certain he's talking about teams shuttering and people's jobs on teams and in the sanctioning body.
Yes he is using battle metaphors.
They’ve spent the last several years trying to run off what fans they have left, looks like it’s working.
I agree...favorite drivers are Harvick and Truex...after this year Truex. I am guessing Martin will go 1...maybe 2 more and I am done.
from 10 million avg viewrers in gen 4/5 to barely 3 mil in gen 7. Its pretty obvious what Nascars goal is. Get rid of the fans because were a nuisance. Replace us with high money sponsors. Just like F1
But yet here you are watching a vid about nascar
Inbred ideology
@@ronemotorsports3008 and yet, here I am a former diehard fan of 25+ years who’s given up my season tickets to Bristol, quit spending thousands of dollars on merchandise a year, and never missing a race on tv to comment on a video that popped up on my feed about the issues Nascar and it’s dumbass clown leadership has caused that has undoubtably shrunk its fan base by huge numbers. Keep drinking their “we like what we’re seeing” kool aid, shill. I’m one of those people that helped make the people in this sport a ton of money when they weren’t shit. I’ll comment on whatever the hell I like. 🖖
You can tell that Dave Moody has never raced a lap in his life, never worked on a race car with his own two hands, never crewed, never anything but announced.
NASCAR has been campaigning that it’s “lost track of local short track fans” and wants to “return to its roots”. The entire local circle track atmosphere has always had a foot in the outlaw circle. It’s a way of bucking conventional hobbies like watching sports to risk money and physical harm for an adrenaline rush and the hood of winning glory. Outlaw and rule abiding don’t mix and never will. And to think nascar is the only racing series with cheating, just look at formula 1, IMSA, the trans am series, any drag racing series etc. Dave Moody had a piss poor take as always.
Actually he did work on cars I believe... although not much
Haha I know I about died when I heard that. I raced from 4-25yrs old. My6 kids do also. But he doesn’t understand. Watching equal cars race is like watching paint dry! Anyone that says diff. Has no clue what’s going on. You can have the best driver in 15th but it’s impossible to pass. Also the point of racing is build a mouse trap and we will see on Sunday who did the best job! Today with the aero blocking and equal cars this isn’t true anymore. It’s literally slot machine racing.
It's not even cheating though. Trying to find an advantage without breaking the rule book is hardly cheating. That's why NASCAR now needs a 10,000 page rule book so that even sneezing on the car can be called "cheating". You know what's really cheating? Going up and intentionally crashing a guy out of the lead and taking the win because you didn't have the speed or talent to pass him. And that's 100% legal in NASCAR.
@@johncalla2151 that is part of their history as well. Moving guys out of the way is legal, wrecking them allegedly is bad form but often the aggressor always says "it ain't my fault he doesn't know how to drive". I think a little push and shove is fine but if you put guys into the wall to pass, that is over the line and too much of it has gone unpunished. And in the road races, leading with two to go means you are dead meat. The ability of these guys to pass is tossed aside and they just flat out run you over. Guys like Mark Martin are the exception, not the rule
Dave crewed for racers at Thunder Road in Barre VT.
NASCAR worked hard to shed its image as a 'southern redneck sport'. Well...turns out, it was alot more entertaining when it was a southern redneck sport.
You are more right than you know!!! A bunch of Yankees have gotten control of our dagum sport an ruint it!! Where's that Phelps boy from anyway???
I'm a woke ass gay liberal and I agree
Why don't they just go full on IROC and stop acting like they aren't already there. Do away with crew chiefs and garage teams, let PRIDE-ful NASCAR do it all. No innovation, no experimentation, no advancement, just total parity like most sports are already pushing for anyway ! At least it will be a quicker death than what they're doing now !
You are correct. Nascar use to be about creativity, bending the rulebook. They might as well be IROC. I think they are already there. But....IROC had much much better racing imo.
The team owners were looking for a way out of the problem that having a organization too heavy with engineers created. The cost was too much for them. They complained to NASCAR once to often and NASCAR offered to solve their problem. Be careful what you wish for. The team owners crawled into bed with a rattle snake. NASCAR is a governing body period. It has NO experience actually building race cars. It has an R&D center. But it does not have an organization of dedicated professionals who actually build race cars for a living. WHY, would you want to change that? The team owners opened a Pandora’s box they cannot shut now. NASCAR always wanted an IROC series. Now they got one. All they have to do is do away with the crew chiefs and pit crews. Shorten all the races to less than 200 miles to fit into a better time slot for the networks. Bring all the cars in for mandatory 5 minute pit stops for safety. Now NASCAR has exactly what they want everything is all equal and boring. The sooner this new turkey is fried and eaten the better for everyone.
Spot on.
So true in todays racing, sometime it is really boring. My wife gets so upset how Nascar makes rules up to suit themselfs.
I agree with most of what you said but boring is wrong in my opinion. We have seen some very exciting racing with this new car.
You got a way with words.
Nascar's R&D center as well as their upper management is full of people who "built race cars for a living".They have been cherry-picking the best and brightest guys in the garage for important positions since Nascar's inception,so to say they have "NO experience actually building race cars" isn't really true.
It's been about 15 years since I followed the NASCAR "Product", and I was a huge fan from the late '60s to the early 2000s.
Same, i could name all the drivers and the ones that didnt qualify back when red bull was starting as a team. From 1990 until then. Now i only know who Alex Bowman is because of Cleetus. I also just got home from a dirt track race.
If the teams decide to start a new series, I as a fan will support it
Sounds more plausible by the day.
I agree with you Jimmy. Much like the CART and Indy Racing League split of 1996.
It’ll be run much better than the current regime. Viva la revolution!
I’ve been suggesting an Outlaw series and screw NASCAR
Not happening. Where would they race? Marcus Smith owns most of the tracks and NASCAR the rest. With so many sell out crowds this season, I can't see Smith pissing off NASCAR to go rogue. It would cost hundreds of millions of dollars to build new tracks, if you could find land to build them on, and afford to buy it. We're losing tracks to warehouses and housing tracts now! The only cheap land is where no one (including fans and infrastructure) is!
The teams have the power, Nascar needs them more than they need Nascar. They get pissed enough they could walk away and start their own leagues. Honestly, I think they should give teams certain parameters, and let them do as the may. No rocket fuel in the engine, or any changes that impact driver safety. Other than that build your best T-Rex car and lets see what happens.
Except the team owners asked for this.
And race where??? NASCAR owns all the tracks!
@@jamestone265 I suspect we end up either with tracks like Winchester, Oswego, and other old ASA tracks driving on the short ovals, or we'd end up with a V8 Supercars or Stock Car Pro Series in Brazil where it's all on road courses running alongside IndyCar.
Edit: Actually, that might lend to more exciting racing with 25-30 cars on a mixture of the various courses NASCAR doesn't own.
@@jamestone265 Nascar would go Broke soo fast that they would be forced to sell tracks.
I say let the most "innovative" teams win within the restrictive horsepower parameters. Any team who finds a racing edge outside of the mandated hp/aero range should be fair play.
Eh... I'd like to see them get the 900hp engines back
The teams with unlimited funding for finding the edge... but I do miss the older days
CARS Tour is just a framework and starting point for Junior, Burton, Harvick & Marks…something’s cooking and it’s gunna be catered to the taste of real stock car racing fans but portioned appropriately to be a money maker for the owners…don’t have to be the biggest and definitely don’t have to be everything to everybody to be high action and high profit
The injury and fatality will be NASCAR itself. No matter who tries to hype the New NASCAR, it will fail and the rating and empty stands prove it. I have never seen such incompetence!! I have never seen such arrogance telling me what I will like or I can pound sand and am not a real fan. I'm also losing respect for these former drivers telling me that what I'm watching is the best racing ever when it isn't. I didn't even bother to turn on the 600 this past Memorial Day. I've tolerated the "chase" and all the idiotic changes to try and draw people in. Almost half the field qualifies for the playoff now!!! But I will say the Next Gen car may be the nail in the NASCAR coffin. Don't try and tell me what I need to like. Don't tell me "I don't get it". NASCAR has been slowly killing itself for the better part of 2 decades and is blaming the once loyal fans for it's demise because it doesn't get it. If I don't like what you're selling... I AIN'T BUYING IT!!!
Great points!
Agreed.
Nascar will do stuff like give us this piece of shit spec car and in the same breath Trump out names like Junior Johnson and Smokey Eunick as legends and laugh and smile about there “innovations” give me a break
Moody plays up to his not so sharp audience. No doubt guys will get hurt in this car as it has already happened several times with concussions but a fatality aint happening in these tanks
They have a word for the team that shows up at the track with a 100% by the book race car. That word is loser.
They should just do rules similar to F1. Teams can build the cars within certain stringent regulations. Take a stock chassis and engine then build it up. As long as it meets the more stringent requirements good to go.
Nascar fans will never be happy. It's pretty cringe
I like Moody when he did his history on past drivers but otherwise he is a Rude Robot Company Man that I stopped listening to.
Moody knows who butters his bread. Puppet
Exactly company man hides his head in the sand
I extremely dislike where this sport is now. I know it’s not going back to when the team’s built their own cars but that’s the real sport to me.
Totally fair.
I'm with woke car. Afraid to discipline Bubba Wallace.
I compare Bubba the Punk to Anton Brown in NHRA. Anton is a true Champion with class. He started his own team, won lost and won again with NEVER A HINT of the race card
Bubba should be gone considering his mouth and actions on or off track.
They want do anything to bubbles because woke nascrap invested heavily to support blm, they scared of the backlash from the black folks.
Ok Boomer
My brother in Christ… please don’t reproduce… or do, pass on that double wide trailer debt
Bubba living in your head rent-free
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Sooner or later teams will break away from NASCAR and start a whole new series. NASCAR is killing themselves. NASCAR is altering the points championship so whoever wins it is just a fake championship anymore. Dont believe a thing Dave Moody says since he works for NASCAR and thinks his shit does not stink.
Hahaha
It will not be long until NASCAR will be like going to the amusement park and driving those governed down go karts. It is not racing when the race is won on pit road or gas mileage. The car in front cannot be passed on the track unless someone stays out on old tires during a caution.
Hahaha
"culture", kind of a stretch calling it a "culture", isn't it?
Getting uglier before it gets better.
I'm getting 1979 CART/USAC vibes right about now. Go read Gurney's white paper. Go read it, and read it in the context of 2023 NASCAR. Am I the only one seeing similarities and feel like if enough team owners are at their breaking point, we may well see Hendrick, Gibbs, penske, et al walk? probably not Penske since they were around in 79 and 96, but....
Penske probably wouldn't be a leader in a split. But, given he now owns Indycar, and it is already in direct competition with NASCAR many weeks, if a number of other teams pull out, it may be beneficial to join them and schedule some stock car-Indycar double-headers.
People angry at this culture change are idiots. Why has it cost so much to race? Because of TEAM SPENDING of which the rampant cheating is a very significant part. NASCAR teams have no business objecting to the mammoth fines. They should instead police themselves and each other. Police each other to stop the spending, to stay in the rulebook. Staying in the rulebook is actually simple. Teams brought all of this upon themselves. No one else did. Yes the culture should change.
Replace if-you-aint-cheating with stay in the rulebook because you make it worse for everybody otherwise.
Replace speed-costs-money with balance your books better and build your cars to blast into the lead, not to be “the fastest car,”
Stop pretending that change doesn't and shouldn't happen. Time stands still for no one. Every racing season is next gen. These cars are the most pleasing looking and raciest cars in years. I've returned to watching NASCAR with this modern car. If the dominant teams with their bottomless pits of money don't like racing with strict rules, then move on, your crying is embarrassing. The same teams, same drivers, same manufacturer controlling the sport was predictable and boring. I say yes to new younger drivers, new cars, new rules, new tracks and maybe new fans, stock car racing isn't going anywhere it's just moving into the twenty first century. Thank God!! I'm sixty nine years old, I've seen change, you may not like it but it happens and you just might as well roll with it and stop acting like the world is coming to an end.
I am a NASCAR purist, and we will prevail, one way or another! ALL of this nonsense started with "the playoffs". It's stupid and gimmicky! Read the room NASCAR! You are abandoning your entire fanbase that got you where you are now!!! Might as well call it the "bud light cup series" at this point.
#14 did nothing wrong.. That part identified as legal
Did it shr come out with a letter stating this
Yeah last I heard they admitted to the fact The part wasn't supposed to be on the car but somehow it was on there anyway. So how was it legal if they admitted it wasn't?
I hope you seen that they showed the part over the weekend and explained everything
NASCAR has no credibility in serious racing circles because of their culture of cheating, phony yellow flags, and the other gimmicks they use to gin up their "sport", I think NASCAR has decided stop being the equivalent of WWE with tires.
I MHO NASCAR is acting like a parent whose kids ran wild until the parents cracked down on them. The teams want to be able to modify the cars. NASCAR is telling them no you won’t. They’ve had enough of 60% of the field not being competitive. The pie is shrinking and the top tier teams resent being told to let some underfunded teams have a chance. But, the money is not coming in like it did 10-15 years ago. M&M/Mars, gone. Tide gone. Sponsors are unwilling to pay for publicity like they used to. The money isn’t there. The underfunded teams are in more trouble than ever. Drivers are losing money. That hurts. So, the pressure has been ramped up, drivers are taking more risks than ever before. Sometime, there’s going to be a super bad wreck. The current generation 7 car is less safe than the generation 6 car. The cars aren’t as powerful as they used to be. Passing on some tracks is more annoying. Drivers are motivated hard charging guys. Piss them off, one of them’s going to go out and take a chance, and kill another driver. Worse, they have been lulled into a sense of security and safety that isn’t warranted. Driving at high speeds is and always been dangerous. Too many drivers can’t comprehend just how dangerous it truly is. Piss one off too many times, and boom. Wreck. Fire kills. Safety devices fail in a crash if it’s bad enough. They have been flirting with death and death just might come calling for an unwary driver, crew members, fans or the media talking heads. There are drivers out there that are flat not good enough to handle these machines. We know who they are. Inexperienced, hungry drivers will take unnecessary risks. It is Russian roulette and there might be a bullet in the proverbial chamber. Drivers can expect to be caught taking one unnecessary risk too many times. It’s scary. A fatality’s going to prompt some states to ban NASCAR or other motor sports. Legislators are going to hit motor sports hard in the event of a fatality in their state.
Great comment.
If there is a rule against it, then dont do it. But have to let these teams be creative to make their cars better. I get it, costs were getting out of control. But teams should be allowed to tweek things to make it 100th better. THATS NASCAR!!
"We expect everyone to get in line, and we'll learn together."
Yeah, buddy. "Learning together" isn't about "getting in line." Another corporate beatdown. Time for a new league.
Want to see how to ruin a sport? You have it right here. Bill France sr. Had it right. Nascar handles the racing. Sponsor's sponsor the racing. Winston did it right. I stopped watching nascar when corporation's started controlling the racing. The point system during Bill France sr's reign was as perfect as it could be.The racing was awesome. The old tracks were awesome and created great racing. Now it is a clown circus. RIP nascar.
Used to watch every second since the early days of ESPN and weekly live casts of the whole nascar circus….more $$$ spent than I’d hate to admit. Now? 3-4 laps here and there, that’s it. Going to be less….
NASCAR IS DYING!! It's their own fault. I WAS a diehard fan. I haven't watched NASCAR in several years and I don't intend to EVER watch again. I'm not alone!!
Sad to say but I lost interest in NASCAR quite a few years ago. To much politics. I think the power went to NASCAR's head. I feel bad for the drivers and teams.
And they wonder why the stands are empty
Half of Nascar fans have died from fentanyl poisonings in the last 10 years
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So, the culture change is forcing teams to stick to the rules, implying everyone was cheating in the past? Hmmm?
I guess to sign a new network contract, there must be no cheating.
The REAL problem is the looming tv deal and revenue sharing. That WILL get ugly, and do not be surprised is you see one or more series land on a streaming platform. Teams will figure it out w the single source parts,
We talked about Xfinity Series likely going to Amazon in another video. So it’s going to be big.
Tv deal is going to be grate and owners will get over losing the charters that they want made permanent
Getting as penalty for using a part that's not from the specified source? Nascar went full Apple there.🤣 Little bit sad there.
Personally I think the only thing that should be messed with in the car is the seat or the type of seat used in the car. Whatever seat a driver is comfortable with and as long as it’s in the height/weight limit while also making the driver as safe as possible. I like the fact almost every car is the same, it shows who the damn good drivers are to the ones that aren’t at that level yet/will ever be at… but anything to make the sport safer I wouldn’t mind budging that part of the rule book. Anything to make this sport safe I feel should always be tried whatever it may be
It seems that the phrase single source part is a distraction from the fact that nascar is close to being a full spec series like IROC was. Even the engines are close to identical. It’s a shame. I miss the days of the rubber mallets adjusting the rear spoiler on the last pit stop..
NASCAR is starting to lack practice as well. This is bad for the teams.
You don't understand. Reducing practice laps is to save the teams money.
Nascar began to lose its way a long time ago when they became a big business that forgot about the fans back home who built it into the cultural and sporting phenomenon that it was. Get rid of the spoiled frat bros from up North and come back home and race.
The media side of NASCAR has way too much power over what goes on in NASCAR.
Interestingly, there is no front-engine V8 Camry, and there will be no V8 Tacoma either. Watch on Sunday and nothing to buy on Monday
@Zach Hill and Tacoma's are built in Mexico... All these companies are global now.
@Zach Hill well, both the Chevy Silverado and Camaro are built in the states too🤷🏻
NASCAR was around for 30 yrs. Before it it became something...had a great run for 30yrs. Has been dying for 20, I suspect it'll be dead by 2030
The monster truck racing is very successful and the company owns all the trucks. The drivers just drive them.
"We want you to compeat where it matters like pitstop strategy." What pitstop strategy? You mean pit at the stage break? Just like everyone else does? There's no strategy there just trash.
Strategy gets thrown out the window for half the races anyway when you get the NASCAR OVERTIME wreckfest finishes lol
I can’t think of one thing moody has took a stand on or disagreed with mother nascar about. He’s a real company man.
I had to quit listening to the Nascar channel on Sirius. Moody was always rude to the callers. Awful.
Previously, rules were "more like guidelines". Now they are trying to make them all hardline.
The rules are written whereas everything anyone does is a penalty they just rig it by picking and choosing who they penalize like any other sport now.
Hahaha
The whole “cheating is what built the sport” argument is so dumb, cheating isn’t a good thing. I do not care who has done it in the past, Petty, Johnson, whoever. I don’t care, that’s not a sport, breaking rules to get a competitive edge on your opponents isn’t a sport. The competition with the Gen 7 is the best it’s EVER been in NASCAR’s history. Does it have issues that need to get fixed? Absolutely it does, it took 22 years for NASCAR to move into the 21st century and i’m glad they did
Good point.
I am taking a break from watching the 24 Hour of Le Mans and caught your vid. If the NASCAR crowd isn't watching too, they are missing the explosive impact that Car 24 is having on the 300,000 people who bought tickets for Le Mans and the tens of millions listening to Radio Le Mans and watching on TH-cam and tv. Garage 56, the NASCAR entry car 24 is HUGE. The sound clips on TH-cam are extremely popular. If NASCAR wants to stay alive it has to get new viewers and if they can keep running a road car like 24, which is FASTER THAN EVERY GT CAR IN THE FIELD, they will have a much broader tv audience, at least. If NASCAR takes this experimental car on the road to general audiences and fields twenty more like them they might have a winner on their hands.
Super interesting take. Maybe a video idea.
I have been a Fan since Tim Richmond came on the scene in 1980. I have always supported the sport, Racers, races ect. But I think the WOKENESS is KILLING NASCAR! It has become about - Do as I say OR ELSE! I believe NASCAR will bankrupt some teams! Rules, penalties, politics, supporting WOKENESS, - I am all about being diverse, I love anyone racing! but I was a RACE FAN, I’m not a WOKENESS fan! Of yea- I’m a 99 Fan- or was anyway.sad state of affairs!
You don't even know the definition of woke and everybody that wants to claim something is woke has to know the definition by the dictionary
I watch dirt racing now. Nascar has sunk so far down it never will recover
Back in the day, as a kid from the North, the "innovation" was half the reason I was ever drawn to NASCAR in the first place...
The "corporatization" of every little thing turns fans off. It makes things feel cold and inaccessible, instead of friendly and relatable.
You'd think that you'd want to reward creativity and ingenuity, which would happen naturally by winning the race. Then, if you deem it cheating, make another rule afterwards. Taking points and food off of peoples' tables for using their brains to find an edge just seems absurd. Especially as an American.
Great points!
I think that I'd like to see NASCAR change the rules to compensate for minor car innovation. Allowing teams to modify certain faucets but aim to keep an overall consistency in car performance
NASCAR lost me when they uprooted and went Hollywood. The car's are butt ugly and look like Matchbox toys, the penalty's can be a death sentence and the driver's have to (act) in the show. I'm trying to reignite the fire I once had, but please go back to regular racing and let history hopefully repeat itself.
The cars look like cars that the sell today
If all parts are coming from one manufacture approved by NASCAR and some of those parts are deemed illegal, then its really NASCAR picking and choosing which drivers and teams they feel like penalizing to keep their fledging business model afloat...
Teams are knownfor trying to modify parts or make counterfeit parts
75 years of one way... WILL NOT CHANGE in a year or two... No
For all of you still watching NASCAR , I would suggest that you abandon it and head back to your local tracks and support local talent..
The best racing was the Midget Nationals at Belleville High Banks
Clown
From where I sit NASCAR is seriously over managed. Innovation allows creativity by team members that make for a better show for fans in my opinion.
Innovation nearly killed nascar because of cost
I like how car set up wasn't mentioned in working on the things that improve performance
And the culture of the single suppliers kicking money to NASCAR so the teams have to stay with them. Nah, that’s not possible 😆
The team's wanted this
Nascrap only cares about money and any way they can get it is okay. It was a more fun/interesting series when the cars looked like real and there was cheating. That was what made the series interesting. If you want to see how far the series has left its roots, try to buy a 2-door Toyota.
NASCAR is woke that's the problem !
I do think the over aggressive drivers is a due nascar fault.. they require equal equipment plus a few years ago they said boys go at it on the track .. so that only gives the green light for divebomb moves. So they help give birthday this new way that the older gen style don't like
Nascar is 100% responsible for it and I’d say that’s what they wanted to create. The playoffs and win and you’re in encourages wreckless driving. Its now better to junk the leader and finish 1st than race him clean and risk finishing 2nd.
This is what team owners asked for...
I dont like the kit cars, but the Teams asked for them sobthe Teams need not complain. As for the championship system, it is whst it is, but a driver can win the first 35 races of the year, then lose the championship by finishing 2nd for any number of reasons completely out of their control
It’s a shame because I like what nascar is doing with the schedule (minus getting rid of 4th of July Daytona), but just about everything else is shit
Some of the greatest legends of this sport were the innovators to downright cheats. It's so ingrained as to be part of the fabric. But then again, NASCAR has done everything possible to get rid of and drive away the old chasing the new.
its getting as bad as F1 now
Whatever they do -- do not make the race over after qualifying -- They need 2 B careful here !!!
I see a chance for a new series to hit the Shane. How about a no teams run what you bring type of race?
Frankly, I don't give a hoot in Hell what these people do. I haven't, since about 1982 - when the cars that the "National Association of STOCK CAR Automobile Racing" had running around in little circles - weren't even remotely stock cars any more. As for what "NASCAR" has running around in little circles now? They should just stop lying to us fans who remember what NASCAR was supposed to be about; change their name to IROC; and call it a day. And I'll watch what I grew up watching - sports cars - REAL, actual production cars - racing on a road course.... As it is now? The France family has finally done to NASCAR what Bernie Ecclestone did to Formula 1; turned it into a toy for their own amusement, where they can make rule changes on a whim, and screwing with it simply because they can.