Alistair: So that's the child. Morrigan: I told him his father was a good man. I thought you deserved that much. Loghain: So that's a child. Morrigan: I didn't tell him shit, and I ain't gonna. The less he knows about you, the better.
bah, Loghain is the man. Yeah the game steers your against him. But after recruiting him in a couple recent games I don't regret it. The King did engage in a battle that could not be won. That said, how do you get Loghain to appear in Dragon Age 3? I had no idea he could be in the game. I'll have to continue playing the series through.
@@jimmym3352 In Origins, at the Landsmeet, you have to make Loghain a Warden. He then has to survive the Blight, so either Alistar or the Hero of Ferelden kills the Archdemon or the Dark Ritual happens. Doing the Dark Ritual to save Loghain's life is a waste, he's only redeemed in my eyes if he dies killing the Archdemon. *DA: Inquisition Spoilers* He can also redeem himself if he dies in the Fade and allows Hawke to live, who is a much better person.
@@jimmym3352 king didn't engage in a battle that couldn't be won. Loghain betrayed Cailan primarily for 2 reasons; he hated Orlais and Cailan wanted to merge the royal houses. He also didn't believe this was the Blight nor did he consider it a threat. He was aware of the faults in the strategy before the battle and used them to his advantage to kill Cailan. Loghain nearly caused the total annihilation of Fereldan and more due to his arrogance. Not sure how Loghain is, "the man"
Im guessing that it was originally going to be a cutscene that happens when the Inuisitor initiates a conversation and shows Kieran out of earshot but still visible somewhere in the garden, and they just decided to scrap it.
Inquisitor: "Hey Josephine! Josie! listen: Queen Anora has a half brother! And Morrigan is the mother!!" Josephine: **spits drink all over her desk** Cassandra: [Disgusted noise]
Hear me out - Anora and whoever marries her have no children, even after ten years, because it's supposedly nearly impossible for a Warden to have offspring. If that doesn't change, Kieran, as the queen's brother, may actually be the closest thing to a royal heir Ferelden has.
Wow, the old god soul inside Kieran must be screaming things in his head, because there's no way he can't hear them (or Alistair) talk from that distance....
To be fair, outside of Loghain calling him "the child," they speak in generalities and children can lose interest in something they don't understand pretty quickly. Or Loghain just doesn't care and Morrigan, in an improbable moment, demurs so she doesn't risk further informing Kieran by protesting.
Reminds me of the line he says in Origins "Daughters never grow up, Anora. They remain six years old with pigtails and skinned knees forever" the way Simon Templeman delivered that line was sooo perfect
@@rayjaymor8754 I'm pretty sure he didn't as well. Just like Bhelen most likely didn't kill his father with poison. Origins is clever in how they have these deeply morally flawed characters, that still get portrayed by their enemies as even more monstrous than they actually are.
@@RidlleForest From a broken heart losing his two sons. So indirectly Bhelen kills his father, but from his plotting against his siblings and not directly administering the poison.
Socialist Sociopath i was laughing the whole time after my warden pushed Loghain to the dark ritual. He looked so terrified I bet that Alistair would have a grin on his face thinking about that.
I'm sure she didn't plan on sending any Bday cards anytime soon. But to be fair, she made Alistair renounce his claim and his heirs claim on the throne too.
Mm... They've really matured, especially Morrigan. Loghain also seems demure, probably from all those years as a Grey Warden. Thinking back on his life, accepting his fate (I mean, he already had but... How to put it... He's accepted it less of a 'this is my punishment and mercy' and more 'this is my life now and I hope to live it a good man'), trying to earn trust and respect from his comrades.
I hope Loghain's voice actor got paid triple the amount the others did because no one told him he doesn't have to put so much effort into his role. Every fucking word is said to perfection with clear emotion to what Loghain is thinking inside and what he means when he says it yet subtle enough to be wearing his emotions on his sleeve.
He definitely deserves all the praise for his performance in Inquisition. It's actually quite different from what he talked like in Origins. Back then, even when he was calm, there was this undertone of tension and quiet rage. In Inquisition, he sounds more gentle and pensive, like he's at peace with himself for the first time in years. His vocal evolution is right up there with Solas', who gets progressively deeper and more gravelly as you go from DAI to Trespasser and Veilguard.
Loghain and Solas are particularly interesting DA villains, and both for the same reason. They did heroic things to try to make the world a better place, but the longer they fought for that better world, the more morally ambiguous things they had to do. Eventually, they both did things so morally gray that they were declared villains and became widely hated. Both had to see the terrible, unintended consequences of their actions.
The problem with that is that Loghain was plotting against Cailan before the Blight began and set his coup in motion the moment Cailan started planning to go to Ostagar. His moves against Arl Eamond and Teyrn Cousland both happened well before the battle. Unless you play the mage, anyway. In that case, in the time between you leaving the Tower and you going to Redcliffe - especially if you go there first - your buddy somehow managed to get to Denerim, meet and be hired by Logain, get all the way across the country to Redcliffe, ingratiate himself into the Arlessa's employ as a tutor, and poison the Arl. That's one really tight timeline right there.
To me, Kieran actually looks like he's Loghain's son. It's a little weird having him be Alistair's because to me he still looks like Loghain more than he looks like Morrigain.
Liara Games if you look at Kierans face in profile Kieran's got Alistair sharp profile and nose and general shape of face. if you look him straight in the face He's also got Logins wider Brow and forehead high cheek bones and deep hollowed set eyes combined with Morrigans soft faced features and Morrigans pouty lips, chin and doe eyes. I think the developers intentionally gave him a little bit of all the Possible "fathers" Except for the "warden" since he could look any way you desired and then went heavely on more dominant and defining facial features that mirrors Morrigan's.
Alistair after everything he was a companion, maybe a friend. Plus there is possible she slept with her sister - like bestie for saving their life, and honestly it wasn't cute for all people involved
But it seems Morrigan totally loathes him, with Alistair she seemed eager to have sex with him, with Loghain was, let us hurry and get over with this. With then son, she doesnt tell kieran anything about Loghain, with Alistair she tells the kid his father was a good man, and that at least she wanted to give Alistair that.
@@SeventhheavenDK I think she grew to respect Alistair after a while. Clearly, she never had any respect for Loghain, but there wasn't much time to get to know him if you do recruit him.
+Saltiest Walrus Spending the last ten years in Orlais as part of an order he mistrusted, combined with already realizing his actions during the Blight were wrong, gave him a new perspective.
Additionally, in spite of his service he is reviled and distrusted by his peers and countrymen, driven to isolation for refusing incompetent, panicked orders, lost his wife young, lost his first love to his best friend, saw his best friend wither on the vine and saw his king, who was essentially his godchild, almost sell-out everything he and the boy's father accomplished for some foreign trim. Dude just needed some time to vent, I think.
elitefencer777 Come to think of it, he was actually a lot more mellow in the Stolen Throne. I mean sure, there was that one time where he stabbed a nobleman in the middle of a meeting, but for the most part he was a lot more calm and collected. It was only in The Calling that we first see him become loud and obnoxious... and that's largely because Rowan had died and Maric was too depressed to effectively run the kingdom. I honestly don't know why he speaks so fondly of Maric. Maric was an idiot. When Loghain first met him, he was a lot like Cailan, and by the end of the book he is still only like Hardened Alistair. His claims of not seeing Maric in either Cailan or Alistair are ridiculous - they both have Maric's humor, optimism, and courage. It's kind of funny though. To harden Maric, Loghain had to manipulate him into killing the woman he loved (before you non-book readers judge, she had betrayed them in the past) so that he would go back to Rowan. To harden Alistair, we only had to tell him to grow a spine. Probably thinks we youngsters have it easy these days.
@@Former_Halo_Fan theres a theory going around that maric love interest was morrigans mother and morrigan was king maric child. But you probably think its a dumb theory no knows who morrigan father was to me morrigan looks like loghain because the hair color but she probablyb it got from her mother.
Reading The Stolen Throne gave me a better understanding and respect for Loghain's character. The situation is not as black and white as Origins tries to make it appear.
@@anthonymurano4775 It's sometimes effective for a story to portray events and people through the main characters eyes. To the main characters of DA:O Logain is completely spiteful, so that is how we see him regardless of what is actually true. That may not have been the writer's intentions, but it is a valid method.
I’ll be honest, in all my DAO playthroughs Loghain never survived, mainly cuz he was too much of an asshole, so I honestly didn’t even know he could be the one to sleep with Morrigan lol
@@rayjaymor8754 loghain is a compelling villain because, as he said much of what he did seemed necessary at the time from the perspective of a guy haunted by the bygone days of slavery at the hands of the orlesians at least, you can follow his logic. from a dude with no horse in that race he just comes across as a dumbass bigot.
@@rayjaymor8754 in my first playthrough I just thought he was just being an asshole. After I read The Stolen Throne, it somewhat changed how I viewed him. Though I still disagree with some things he did (mainly one involving Katriel) I understand why he did it.
@@rayjaymor8754 yup, cause last time he saved a king at the cost of an army, that king called him a dumbass and made him promise that next time he will be saving the army. Guess what, Loghain kept his promise.
Interesting.... I know Morrigan thinks super little of Alistair but if Alistair is the father she admits to telling Keiran that his "father is a good man.... I figured you deserved at least that much..." So as much as she hated Alistair.... she clearly thinks even less of Loghain...
(SPOILERS) (Btw I didn't get this scene, but I'm assuming it happens after Adamant. 'Scuse me if I'm wrong) This scene is so heartbreaking for me because I left Loghain behind in the Fade. For some reason, it shatters me knowing Kieran will never meet his father.
You tell me... I named the mabari Loghain just to spite him... Then we had two Loghains on the team and suddenly it didn't seem as good of an idea was before...
Simon Templeman has been acting since at least the 80's and doing video game voice work for over 20 years (check out Legacy of Kain if you haven't already).
Stark Sorta right. you can have king Alistair and keep Loghain alive, Alistair will leave the Wardens and basically disown The Hero of Ferelden but he can still be king. The politics of Origins was so much better than the other games
scott jones wait does Alistair hate the Hero if you recruit Loghain but make Alistair king? Can you still be married/lovers with him? I’ve never let Loghain live so I have no idea 😂 I just never had it in me to lose Alistair
"He knows nothing of you..." "Will you tell him." Bro he is 5 feet from you, like wth bioware acting like it's a private conversation away from the boy lol
@@fandomtrash6016 Loghain joins wardens. Alistar is mad and leaves the party. Warden bangs Morrigan. It is possible, the question stands. Would Loghain comment if Kieran was the son of the hero of Ferelden?
I'm kinda sad that Loghain and Alistair don't actually say anything to Kieran you think they would at least want to speak to the wardens/their son at least once.
+Simran Whitham Maybe a hardened Alistair. I would feel an unhardened Alistair would feel bad and want to speak to his son a little. I also wish King Alistair got to see him, even if he couldn't tell the kid hey I'm your dad! I know my Queen Warden would've liked to meet Kieran too...which makes me not like Witch Hunt too much as a woman...I don't have the choice to go with her or at least meet him before going back to my King.
demonangel918 I'm sad King Alistair never meets his son it's such a shame thankfully I never had that problem my canon Warden is my human mage who romanced Morrgian and performed the ritual and then left through the eluvian with her so they got to be happy together and raise their son so in my playthrough Kieran knows his farther and is happy :)
I role-played Witch Hunt with a Warden that romanced Morrigan but refused the Ritual as a nightmare. She felt guilty that she couldn't convince him to have her child (what if she been more convincing? Why couldn't he trust her...) These questions plagued her mind. Then, he stabbed her through it. It was all a dream of course because the Warden was dead.
It seems Morrigan totally loathes him, with Alistair she seemed eager to have sex with him, with Loghain was, let us hurry and get over with this. With then son, she doesnt tell kieran anything about Loghain, with Alistair she tells the kid his father was a good man, and that at least she wanted to give Alistair that.
Fluffy! I saw you have managed to unlock several cut scenes thought impossible! Are you able to perhaps restore Loghains cut content with Alistair in Origins? :)
Sadly, no. I had to edit saves to get them, 1 flag doesn't import correctly and you can't get it to trigger without editing it. So if it doesn't trigger for you, it means that this flag is set to False when it should be set to True and it won't trigger. So don't waste hours and hours trying, like I did.
FluffyNinjaLlama So even the Keep doesn't solve their "import flags" problem, huh? So it was completely pointless for them to NOT include save game transfer? Oh, that is so deliciously funny. X)
Assassin's Den Some people were able to trigger it on consoles (not sure which ones) so it's not a general problem, and IMHO even with broken flags DA Keep is still a whole lot better than traditional saves importing, especially for people like me that like to experiment with plenty different world states.
FluffyNinjaLlama Oh, I've got no problem with the Keep, because it allows me to do some of the same things; like send Isabela with the Arishok, or send Fenris back with his former master, despite remarks I made earlier. But I find it amusing that the flagging issues they were trying to resolve with the removal of save game transfer remain despite their attempts to solve it.
Assassin's Den Ah right, for a moment there it sounded like you were one of those people that hate the Keep :D Sadly, this flag isn't the only one, there's plenty!! The Keep is still in beta though.
Wait, *WHAT?!?* You can make Morrigan have sex with... LOGHAIN? I mean, i chose that Alistair was the father because i was in a romance with Leliana and Alistair and Morrigan just had that perfect (hate but are still good friends) relationship that was just too funny, cute and perfect. But with Loghain... 🤢🤮
this route is kinda gross. Warden pimping out morrigan to save their own skin. Alastar was one thing, you could say there was a bit of toxic chemistry in the hate-hate relationship, and it actually results in a weird comradery by the end. Logain tho.. eww. a bit too old. a bit too left field.
Interesting, next time I play I will let him live to see him deal with the consequences about what him believe. It will be awesome to see other perspective.
I really love the freedon of choices DA origins give the player but damn, no one in his right mind would spare loghain twice to see this, only changing the keep imo
+Izaiah Rios But think of possibilities! You could have the Hero of Ferelden marry Anora, take Morrigan as your lover, and then have your father-in-law produce a questionable old god child with said lover
ItoFumika Or have a non-old god baby with Morrigan, send Loghain to his death against the Archdemon, make Alistair a wandering drunk and essentially have a guaranteed bastard Cousland heir to the throne that is less likely to grow up to be a super evil dragon person
Nah the kid is at least 10 years old so...oh wait it is 30 years difference anyway. Ew. How did Loghain managed to...ew! Not gonna continue that line of thought.
Robert Simmons That's modern culture and I am aware of that of course but still...ew. Mordern culture is a bit far from thedas culture however. I'm just trying not to imagine Loghain and Morrigan in bed. Morrigan is exactly the type who would do it if it furthers her goal but Loghain is a gentlemen (sort of). It was the unique circumstances I think. But I'm making a bloody novel here so I should stop. One las t thing: I actually know someone who's little brother is 22 years younger then she is so I can imagine what Anora's reaction was if Loghain even told her. So it's double EWW!
combinecommando001 Well unless 1 of your patents were about 10 when you were born it's still eww. In my opinion it's stupid to have kids when you're older then 40.
This whole "Morrigan's child" thing is idiotic. There is no reason for you to give her a child in Origins. "You were called upon to submit yourself to the taint for the greater good. From this moment forward, you are a grey warden" That used to mean something in Origins, you are a grey warden, a weapon, a tool for the salvation of humanity. You don't get to have a family or a comfortable life, that's the weight of your sacrifice. Dragon age 2 and 3 are a joke for children. And 4 will be no different, bunch of SJW softcore bisexual fantasies.
That’s why it’s a choice. It can be refused and no child is conceived at all; the Hero of Ferelden dies in Origins and that’s it. the creator of Origins even mentioned that Grey Wardens could still have children it’s just they most likely will die before really even knowing their kids
By that logic, the Warden shouldn’t have been able to romance anybody. Just because the Wardens have a code, doesn’t mean every Warden will follow that code completely. Also what the hell is a softcore bisexual fantasy? An Oscar Wilde novel? If you don’t want to have a love interest, then don’t romance anybody. Simple. The Warden can choose to sacrifice themselves and not give Morrigan a child.
What a cursed playtrought leds to this events? Always do this: Kill Loghain, Alistar King, Romance Morrigan, Go through the Elluvian with her... That's the way
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Alistair: So that's the child.
Morrigan: I told him his father was a good man. I thought you deserved that much.
Loghain: So that's a child.
Morrigan: I didn't tell him shit, and I ain't gonna. The less he knows about you, the better.
I feel like she has to as some point. Loghains kid does change him and his personality to better.
Warden: So that's the child.
Morrigan: Put the knife away.
bah, Loghain is the man. Yeah the game steers your against him. But after recruiting him in a couple recent games I don't regret it. The King did engage in a battle that could not be won. That said, how do you get Loghain to appear in Dragon Age 3? I had no idea he could be in the game. I'll have to continue playing the series through.
@@jimmym3352 In Origins, at the Landsmeet, you have to make Loghain a Warden. He then has to survive the Blight, so either Alistar or the Hero of Ferelden kills the Archdemon or the Dark Ritual happens. Doing the Dark Ritual to save Loghain's life is a waste, he's only redeemed in my eyes if he dies killing the Archdemon. *DA: Inquisition Spoilers* He can also redeem himself if he dies in the Fade and allows Hawke to live, who is a much better person.
@@jimmym3352 king didn't engage in a battle that couldn't be won. Loghain betrayed Cailan primarily for 2 reasons; he hated Orlais and Cailan wanted to merge the royal houses. He also didn't believe this was the Blight nor did he consider it a threat. He was aware of the faults in the strategy before the battle and used them to his advantage to kill Cailan. Loghain nearly caused the total annihilation of Fereldan and more due to his arrogance. Not sure how Loghain is, "the man"
I'm guessing Kieren isn't suppose to be right next to them when they have this dialogue
Morrigan and Loghaine: discuss boy right next to them.
Kieren: am I joke to you?
He's off in his own little world.... because he's never paying attention, not because he's half-god.
hes always right there, idk why they did that like he cant hear lmao
Im guessing that it was originally going to be a cutscene that happens when the Inuisitor initiates a conversation and shows Kieran out of earshot but still visible somewhere in the garden, and they just decided to scrap it.
Inquisitor: "Hey Josephine! Josie! listen: Queen Anora has a half brother! And Morrigan is the mother!!"
Josephine: **spits drink all over her desk**
Cassandra: [Disgusted noise]
legit happened! 😁
too bad it happened off screen
Not to be rude loghain is hot
@@XParthurnax no dip Sherlock he looks like fucking Willem Dafoe
I made it 666 likes...Iam so proud of myself
Hear me out - Anora and whoever marries her have no children, even after ten years, because it's supposedly nearly impossible for a Warden to have offspring. If that doesn't change, Kieran, as the queen's brother, may actually be the closest thing to a royal heir Ferelden has.
Wow, the old god soul inside Kieran must be screaming things in his head, because there's no way he can't hear them (or Alistair) talk from that distance....
Yeah, it would have been best if they walked somewhere else to talk, at a safe distance from Kieran. I think that Bioware simply got lazy.
To be fair, outside of Loghain calling him "the child," they speak in generalities and children can lose interest in something they don't understand pretty quickly. Or Loghain just doesn't care and Morrigan, in an improbable moment, demurs so she doesn't risk further informing Kieran by protesting.
Loghain's last line is so haunting and sad. It's so beautiful - thank you for posting, I wouldn't have gotten to see it on any of my own playthroughs!
Reminds me of the line he says in Origins "Daughters never grow up, Anora. They remain six years old with pigtails and skinned knees forever" the way Simon Templeman delivered that line was sooo perfect
@@SirUlrichVL I actually wonder if Loghain knew that Howe had imprisoned her? I actually legit think Loghain didn't know.
@@rayjaymor8754 I'm pretty sure he didn't as well. Just like Bhelen most likely didn't kill his father with poison. Origins is clever in how they have these deeply morally flawed characters, that still get portrayed by their enemies as even more monstrous than they actually are.
@@SuperHipsterGamer wait… How Bhelen Father died? I thought he was murdered by his son.
@@RidlleForest From a broken heart losing his two sons. So indirectly Bhelen kills his father, but from his plotting against his siblings and not directly administering the poison.
bet anora was... thrilled to learn she had a half brother
Before vomiting on the carpet about how it was concived.
I still have nightmares about Loghain's terrified expression....
Socialist Sociopath i was laughing the whole time after my warden pushed Loghain to the dark ritual.
He looked so terrified
I bet that Alistair would have a grin on his face thinking about that.
I'm sure she didn't plan on sending any Bday cards anytime soon. But to be fair, she made Alistair renounce his claim and his heirs claim on the throne too.
Bet Anora doesn't even know it at all.
Why the dialogues of Loghain are so good?
Because he's a boss.
Badass voice actor.
It´s to make us that kills him in our cannon world regret our decisions.
You should check out Legacy of Kain, where he voices Kain. There is a LOT of it. And the story is beyond magnificent.
Just one of the world's finest voice actors man. Old school, and bad ass voice.
It feels so... quiet. And soft. Kind of mature and somber. Makes sense for them.
Not for the them of origins, but after ten years? Yeah. I liked seeing them so... grown.
Mm... They've really matured, especially Morrigan. Loghain also seems demure, probably from all those years as a Grey Warden. Thinking back on his life, accepting his fate (I mean, he already had but... How to put it... He's accepted it less of a 'this is my punishment and mercy' and more 'this is my life now and I hope to live it a good man'), trying to earn trust and respect from his comrades.
I hope Loghain's voice actor got paid triple the amount the others did because no one told him he doesn't have to put so much effort into his role. Every fucking word is said to perfection with clear emotion to what Loghain is thinking inside and what he means when he says it yet subtle enough to be wearing his emotions on his sleeve.
thats simon templeton for you
Too bad, I always kill him.
He definitely deserves all the praise for his performance in Inquisition. It's actually quite different from what he talked like in Origins. Back then, even when he was calm, there was this undertone of tension and quiet rage. In Inquisition, he sounds more gentle and pensive, like he's at peace with himself for the first time in years.
His vocal evolution is right up there with Solas', who gets progressively deeper and more gravelly as you go from DAI to Trespasser and Veilguard.
Loghain and Solas are particularly interesting DA villains, and both for the same reason. They did heroic things to try to make the world a better place, but the longer they fought for that better world, the more morally ambiguous things they had to do. Eventually, they both did things so morally gray that they were declared villains and became widely hated. Both had to see the terrible, unintended consequences of their actions.
"you either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become a villain" I find this quote from The Dark Knight to summarize these two really well
The problem with that is that Loghain was plotting against Cailan before the Blight began and set his coup in motion the moment Cailan started planning to go to Ostagar. His moves against Arl Eamond and Teyrn Cousland both happened well before the battle. Unless you play the mage, anyway. In that case, in the time between you leaving the Tower and you going to Redcliffe - especially if you go there first - your buddy somehow managed to get to Denerim, meet and be hired by Logain, get all the way across the country to Redcliffe, ingratiate himself into the Arlessa's employ as a tutor, and poison the Arl. That's one really tight timeline right there.
To me, Kieran actually looks like he's Loghain's son. It's a little weird having him be Alistair's because to me he still looks like Loghain more than he looks like Morrigain.
Liara Games if you look at Kierans face in profile Kieran's got Alistair sharp profile and nose and general shape of face. if you look him straight in the face He's also got Logins wider Brow and forehead high cheek bones and deep hollowed set eyes combined with Morrigans soft faced features and Morrigans pouty lips, chin and doe eyes. I think the developers intentionally gave him a little bit of all the Possible "fathers" Except for the "warden" since he could look any way you desired and then went heavely on more dominant and defining facial features that mirrors Morrigan's.
He looks more like Alistair.
plot twist: it's alistair and loghain's secret hate sex love child
He looks like morrigan ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ dark hair, fair skin. There isnt any specific trait relating him to any of the possible fathers
he looks like my warden haha
/Whoah./
That's quite a difference from the way she reacts to Alistair.
Alistair after everything he was a companion, maybe a friend. Plus there is possible she slept with her sister - like bestie for saving their life, and honestly it wasn't cute for all people involved
Loghain speaks like a man longing to know his son. The pain in those words...
But it seems Morrigan totally loathes him, with Alistair she seemed eager to have sex with him, with Loghain was, let us hurry and get over with this.
With then son, she doesnt tell kieran anything about Loghain, with Alistair she tells the kid his father was a good man, and that at least she wanted to give Alistair that.
@@SeventhheavenDK I think she grew to respect Alistair after a while. Clearly, she never had any respect for Loghain, but there wasn't much time to get to know him if you do recruit him.
Morrigan, despite calling Alistair dumber than the dog, still respected him as a friend and ally. Loghain actively tried to kill her.
Is it just me or has making Loghain a warden just sorta.. Mellowed him out?
+Saltiest Walrus Spending the last ten years in Orlais as part of an order he mistrusted, combined with already realizing his actions during the Blight were wrong, gave him a new perspective.
Additionally, in spite of his service he is reviled and distrusted by his peers and countrymen, driven to isolation for refusing incompetent, panicked orders, lost his wife young, lost his first love to his best friend, saw his best friend wither on the vine and saw his king, who was essentially his godchild, almost sell-out everything he and the boy's father accomplished for some foreign trim. Dude just needed some time to vent, I think.
elitefencer777 Come to think of it, he was actually a lot more mellow in the Stolen Throne.
I mean sure, there was that one time where he stabbed a nobleman in the middle of a meeting, but for the most part he was a lot more calm and collected.
It was only in The Calling that we first see him become loud and obnoxious... and that's largely because Rowan had died and Maric was too depressed to effectively run the kingdom.
I honestly don't know why he speaks so fondly of Maric. Maric was an idiot. When Loghain first met him, he was a lot like Cailan, and by the end of the book he is still only like Hardened Alistair. His claims of not seeing Maric in either Cailan or Alistair are ridiculous - they both have Maric's humor, optimism, and courage.
It's kind of funny though. To harden Maric, Loghain had to manipulate him into killing the woman he loved (before you non-book readers judge, she had betrayed them in the past) so that he would go back to Rowan. To harden Alistair, we only had to tell him to grow a spine.
Probably thinks we youngsters have it easy these days.
@@Former_Halo_Fan theres a theory going around that maric love interest was morrigans mother and morrigan was king maric child. But you probably think its a dumb theory no knows who morrigan father was to me morrigan looks like loghain because the hair color but she probablyb it got from her mother.
Christooger I thought we knew for sure that Morrigan was Flemeth’s blood child?
This makes me not hate Loghain
Reading The Stolen Throne gave me a better understanding and respect for Loghain's character. The situation is not as black and white as Origins tries to make it appear.
@@anthonymurano4775 It's sometimes effective for a story to portray events and people through the main characters eyes. To the main characters of DA:O Logain is completely spiteful, so that is how we see him regardless of what is actually true. That may not have been the writer's intentions, but it is a valid method.
Patrick Macken whole I see the other traits of Loghain the hate I felt when he first betrayed us and let Howe kill my family remains powerful
He sold elves into slavery, and dismissed an Elven Warden as "egotistical" for not getting over it. I'll hate him till the day I die.
@@raggedyanimator754 It's not like he's the onlye character who's been racist against elves but fair enough lol
Simon Templeman is a great talent
Kieren looks like he is supposed to be Loghain’s sons.
"As we all were. Once"
You said it Kain.... er I mean Loghain
I’ll be honest, in all my DAO playthroughs Loghain never survived, mainly cuz he was too much of an asshole, so I honestly didn’t even know he could be the one to sleep with Morrigan lol
You know what is super weird? If you read 'The Stolen Throne' it puts Loghain's actions in DA:O in a totally difference light...
@@rayjaymor8754 loghain is a compelling villain because, as he said much of what he did seemed necessary at the time
from the perspective of a guy haunted by the bygone days of slavery at the hands of the orlesians at least, you can follow his logic. from a dude with no horse in that race he just comes across as a dumbass bigot.
@@rayjaymor8754 in my first playthrough I just thought he was just being an asshole. After I read The Stolen Throne, it somewhat changed how I viewed him. Though I still disagree with some things he did (mainly one involving Katriel) I understand why he did it.
@@rayjaymor8754 yup, cause last time he saved a king at the cost of an army, that king called him a dumbass and made him promise that next time he will be saving the army. Guess what, Loghain kept his promise.
I always recruit him and make Alistair marry anora and become king.
Just the thought of morrigan and loghain doing it makes me wrench
Interesting.... I know Morrigan thinks super little of Alistair but if Alistair is the father she admits to telling Keiran that his "father is a good man.... I figured you deserved at least that much..."
So as much as she hated Alistair.... she clearly thinks even less of Loghain...
Origins was just so dark and brutal, and sad.
It sounds like they are both agreeing that they should keep kieran as innocent of the past mess as possible. Oh the feels...
(SPOILERS)
(Btw I didn't get this scene, but I'm assuming it happens after Adamant. 'Scuse me if I'm wrong)
This scene is so heartbreaking for me because I left Loghain behind in the Fade. For some reason, it shatters me knowing Kieran will never meet his father.
I happens before Adamant, you just need to get Morrigan first at the Winter Palace and then get Loghain in Crestwood, so they're both at Skyhold.
FluffyNinjaLlama Hmm, I did that and this scene still didn't trigger. Glitch, I'm assuming >.
Lea Zoeph
Yes, it's bugged for most people, I had to modify my save file to get it.
FluffyNinjaLlama
Speaking of... Which tool did you use to modify the save file?
FluffyNinjaLlama
How did you do that? I'd love to be able to trigger this scene. Will you please share your secret?
Willem Dafoe meets his son
I hated Loghain once
God damnit
You tell me... I named the mabari Loghain just to spite him... Then we had two Loghains on the team and suddenly it didn't seem as good of an idea was before...
@@floppydisksareop lmao
He sounds so old.
+ryanbelcher25rb But he is old. XD
+ryanbelcher25rb He's in his mid sixties at least.
Simon Templeman has been acting since at least the 80's and doing video game voice work for over 20 years (check out Legacy of Kain if you haven't already).
know im late to the party but how young do you think a 60 year old man sounds? XD
So Kieran can be either king Alistairor prince HOF's son or even queen anora's brother
Logain looks like Willam Defoe in Inqusition
WAIT WHAT? LOGHAIN CAN SLEEP WITH MORRIGAN? THAT'S AN OPTION O_o
+Darth Boss If you spare his life, he joins your party and then you can convince him, the same way you convince Alistair to do it.
what happens if you kill Loghain who replace him in this game
Jack Culler If Alistair became king, you meet Stroud. If Alistair is still a Warden, you meet him
Stark Sorta right. you can have king Alistair and keep Loghain alive, Alistair will leave the Wardens and basically disown The Hero of Ferelden but he can still be king. The politics of Origins was so much better than the other games
scott jones wait does Alistair hate the Hero if you recruit Loghain but make Alistair king? Can you still be married/lovers with him? I’ve never let Loghain live so I have no idea 😂 I just never had it in me to lose Alistair
Anora's secret lil bro
"He knows nothing of you..."
"Will you tell him."
Bro he is 5 feet from you, like wth bioware acting like it's a private conversation away from the boy lol
Just too lazy to make an scene of them talking further away and even lazier to just...edit him at a different spot when this scene triggers.
Does Loghain comment something about Kieran if he is NOT his child? Like Alistair comments about Kieran if the Warden is the father.
The other options for Loghain are death by Warden/Alistair or death by archdemon, soooo
@@fandomtrash6016 Loghain joins wardens. Alistar is mad and leaves the party. Warden bangs Morrigan. It is possible, the question stands.
Would Loghain comment if Kieran was the son of the hero of Ferelden?
@@raidenpz no, he doesn't
so...do they not realise he's right there? weird way to meet your dad if you ask me
Alive Loghain? Heresy
I romanced her with my warden, they are to meet back up when this is over, but this is rather interesting, tho I always kill him for his betrayal.
I love this even better because when its ALISTAIR this interaction is so much sweeter
I'm kinda sad that Loghain and Alistair don't actually say anything to Kieran you think they would at least want to speak to the wardens/their son at least once.
Well, both of them didnt really want him lol. Would you really be happy to meet something you your boss forced you to conceive?
+Simran Whitham Maybe a hardened Alistair. I would feel an unhardened Alistair would feel bad and want to speak to his son a little. I also wish King Alistair got to see him, even if he couldn't tell the kid hey I'm your dad! I know my Queen Warden would've liked to meet Kieran too...which makes me not like Witch Hunt too much as a woman...I don't have the choice to go with her or at least meet him before going back to my King.
demonangel918 I'm sad King Alistair never meets his son it's such a shame thankfully I never had that problem my canon Warden is my human mage who romanced Morrgian and performed the ritual and then left through the eluvian with her so they got to be happy together and raise their son so in my playthrough Kieran knows his farther and is happy :)
I role-played Witch Hunt with a Warden that romanced Morrigan but refused the Ritual as a nightmare. She felt guilty that she couldn't convince him to have her child (what if she been more convincing? Why couldn't he trust her...) These questions plagued her mind. Then, he stabbed her through it. It was all a dream of course because the Warden was dead.
if the hero of ferelden is the father will a similar conversation between morrigan and logain happen or does it only happen if logain is the father?
Waaaait...Loghain....Child!? O.o
Have Loghain join the wardens and do the dark ritual in DA Keep.
Good thing Kieran doesn't take after his father lol
Wow.
@@Slothgreedenvy I know right loghain is sexy
It seems Morrigan totally loathes him, with Alistair she seemed eager to have sex with him, with Loghain was, let us hurry and get over with this.
With then son, she doesnt tell kieran anything about Loghain, with Alistair she tells the kid his father was a good man, and that at least she wanted to give Alistair that.
Fluffy! I saw you have managed to unlock several cut scenes thought impossible! Are you able to perhaps restore Loghains cut content with Alistair in Origins? :)
do you have a "what if logain sacrifice himself in ending the blight" video?
Well, he's not wrong.
Oh now you can’t pull out!? Okay.
boo loghain or whatever but omfg his voice kinda😏😏😏
God damn it, Loghain, you were a dick in Origins but Inquisition you is becoming more likeable. DX
if the hero of ferelden is the father will a similar conversation between morrigan and logain happen or does it only happen if logain is the father?
It only happens if Loghain is the father
Is this the only conversation Loghain has with Morrigan
+ryanbelcher25rb They have a small amount of party banter in DA: O
algorithms are so innocent sometimes
I've never managed to get Loghain or Alistair to appear in the garden. What does it take?
why the hell on earth i didn't get this scene....
I never let Loghain live, let alone bang Morrigan so I've never gotten to see this or know it was possible lol
You guys actually kept loghain around?!
Yes. Loghain over Alistair any day.
did they patch the activation of these?
Sadly, no. I had to edit saves to get them, 1 flag doesn't import correctly and you can't get it to trigger without editing it. So if it doesn't trigger for you, it means that this flag is set to False when it should be set to True and it won't trigger. So don't waste hours and hours trying, like I did.
FluffyNinjaLlama
So even the Keep doesn't solve their "import flags" problem, huh? So it was completely pointless for them to NOT include save game transfer? Oh, that is so deliciously funny. X)
Assassin's Den Some people were able to trigger it on consoles (not sure which ones) so it's not a general problem, and IMHO even with broken flags DA Keep is still a whole lot better than traditional saves importing, especially for people like me that like to experiment with plenty different world states.
FluffyNinjaLlama
Oh, I've got no problem with the Keep, because it allows me to do some of the same things; like send Isabela with the Arishok, or send Fenris back with his former master, despite remarks I made earlier. But I find it amusing that the flagging issues they were trying to resolve with the removal of save game transfer remain despite their attempts to solve it.
Assassin's Den
Ah right, for a moment there it sounded like you were one of those people that hate the Keep :D Sadly, this flag isn't the only one, there's plenty!! The Keep is still in beta though.
Wait, *WHAT?!?* You can make Morrigan have sex with... LOGHAIN? I mean, i chose that Alistair was the father because i was in a romance with Leliana and Alistair and Morrigan just had that perfect (hate but are still good friends) relationship that was just too funny, cute and perfect. But with Loghain... 🤢🤮
Loghain is a daddy
@@sorasun4917 Based
this route is kinda gross. Warden pimping out morrigan to save their own skin. Alastar was one thing, you could say there was a bit of toxic chemistry in the hate-hate relationship, and it actually results in a weird comradery by the end. Logain tho.. eww. a bit too old. a bit too left field.
Kinda hard to put on the warden when the whole thing is morragian's idea
Ewwwwwww i fucking hate loghain, and you are telling me that HE CAN SLEEP WITH MORRIGAN!? MY MORRIGAN!?
Hahahahaha i am so normal about this old sad man
What??? Seriously? I thought Kieren was The Hero of Ferelden's son, at least my character had a romance with her. Can anyone explain me that?
José Neto It's also possible to convince Loghain or Alistair to do the ritual, so Kieran can be son of either of the 3
Interesting, next time I play I will let him live to see him deal with the consequences about what him believe. It will be awesome to see other perspective.
I really love the freedon of choices DA origins give the player but damn, no one in his right mind would spare loghain twice to see this, only changing the keep imo
I can't have any world state with the hero not being the father.
+Izaiah Rios But think of possibilities! You could have the Hero of Ferelden marry Anora, take Morrigan as your lover, and then have your father-in-law produce a questionable old god child with said lover
+ItoFumika That... makes for a really confusing family tree.
"That makes for a really confusing family tree" sums up Dragon Age perfectly... XD
ItoFumika Or have a non-old god baby with Morrigan, send Loghain to his death against the Archdemon, make Alistair a wandering drunk and essentially have a guaranteed bastard Cousland heir to the throne that is less likely to grow up to be a super evil dragon person
if the hero of ferelden is the father will a similar conversation between morrigan and logain happen or does it only happen if logain is the father?
iugh... i mean, i respect Loghain as an antagonist but making him sleep with Morrigan is kind of... gross
Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww thats nasty he is like 60 and shes 30
Nah the kid is at least 10 years old so...oh wait it is 30 years difference anyway. Ew. How did Loghain managed to...ew! Not gonna continue that line of thought.
Lerquiy of Nirlac what may-december romances are not uncommon in modern culture
Robert Simmons That's modern culture and I am aware of that of course but still...ew. Mordern culture is a bit far from thedas culture however. I'm just trying not to imagine Loghain and Morrigan in bed. Morrigan is exactly the type who would do it if it furthers her goal but Loghain is a gentlemen (sort of). It was the unique circumstances I think. But I'm making a bloody novel here so I should stop. One las t thing: I actually know someone who's little brother is 22 years younger then she is so I can imagine what Anora's reaction was if Loghain even told her. So it's double EWW!
Oh come on now, my parents have a 20 years difference between them and they still had three children, me included.
combinecommando001 Well unless 1 of your patents were about 10 when you were born it's still eww. In my opinion it's stupid to have kids when you're older then 40.
Eww fucking gross why is this even an option, lohgain really?
Well, if you want to save Alistair from Morrigan's claws then u either choose Loghain or die if you play female warden, the choices are quite limited.
This whole "Morrigan's child" thing is idiotic. There is no reason for you to give her a child in Origins. "You were called upon to submit yourself to the taint for the greater good. From this moment forward, you are a grey warden" That used to mean something in Origins, you are a grey warden, a weapon, a tool for the salvation of humanity. You don't get to have a family or a comfortable life, that's the weight of your sacrifice. Dragon age 2 and 3 are a joke for children. And 4 will be no different, bunch of SJW softcore bisexual fantasies.
that qunari pfp is speaking volumes about you bro
@@Xevatro I should hope so. After all that's what symbols are for.
@@erikwolf3479 dont sass me sten
That’s why it’s a choice. It can be refused and no child is conceived at all; the Hero of Ferelden dies in Origins and that’s it. the creator of Origins even mentioned that Grey Wardens could still have children it’s just they most likely will die before really even knowing their kids
By that logic, the Warden shouldn’t have been able to romance anybody. Just because the Wardens have a code, doesn’t mean every Warden will follow that code completely.
Also what the hell is a softcore bisexual fantasy? An Oscar Wilde novel?
If you don’t want to have a love interest, then don’t romance anybody. Simple. The Warden can choose to sacrifice themselves and not give Morrigan a child.
What a cursed playtrought leds to this events? Always do this: Kill Loghain, Alistar King, Romance Morrigan, Go through the Elluvian with her... That's the way