How to Ride Your ADV Motorcycle Over Obstacles - No Need to Turn Around and Go Back - R1200GS
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- Your adventure bike is capable of overcoming all kinds of stuff that gets in your way. Learn how to control your bike, safely ride over obstacles and continue forward on your journey! Bret demonstrates on his fully loaded R1200GS adventure bike.
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oh that front-end drop looked vicious.
He killed the power too quick by pulling the clutch. You need to stay on power and keep weight back to keep the front up for longer. That will rpevent going otb
After 3 months , i woke up in an hospital to comment on this.
That jump looked violent 😅
I've used the ramp method to overcome a wayward tree with a beautiful Ocean Blue GSA (shame-fee plug!) like Bret uses near the end. This ramp was constructed after my buddy tried to Kamikaze the large dead trunk with his Tiger 800XC much to my amusement, getting righteously stuck. I told him sometimes it's better to stop and think instead of just nailing the power and screaming. I hope he learned his lesson.
I found that a small "ramp" on the discharge side of the obstacle creates a smooth landing as well. Nice video Bret, thanks!
the gs has always amazed me with its ability to be so gosh darn big and still be ridden over things by an experienced rider.
Hey Brett,
You just make things look so easy and that’s important to motivate viewers to go out and try and learn. If I could, I would give you the “Best Motorcycle Instructor” award for making such easy to learn videos. 🙏🏼
Lol i really thought for a second he was gonna hit the difficult side 😂😂😂
Great work with this tutorials!!!!!! production and post-production !!!!! Love from Mexico!!!
Thanks, Pedro!
Good info ..thnx mate ..keep it up
Hahah the opener!
Good technical detail! very underrated, cheers to you folks - subscribed
Great, thanks!
Superb... A lovely way to get over such an obstacle.. learned this for the first time... Thanks
Luv from India
Bulu Biker good to see one motovlogger watching and promoting other bikers
bulu bhai....
Try this on our new VERSYS buu bhai..
Thank you so much for the teachings bro ❤️
Outstanding demonstration gentlemen.
Excellent Video . Subscribed and lot of Useful Information . Cheers from Video
Excellent explanation of the "rolling point (?)" of an obstacle like this. Have seen the use of a "kicker" from other channels but never with a bike this big and heavy. Also, good to see the clearing the log following a stall. It's apparent that ADV rigs are like beauty -- in the eyes of the beholder -- and really dependent on how off-road your travels may take you. For me, the question was: how much weight do I want to lift more than once a day by myself in the event (predictable) of a get-off?
osimnod there is nothing practical about riding one of these things offroad ;-)
Wonderfully jumped...you are great
EXCELLENT
Dude, respect
4:54 ''So we follow the fucking dollars'' lmfao nice speech to text
Thanks for pointing that out! Fixed it :)
Great demo
thanks
Now I want an adventure bike lol
Great tips as always!
these videos are perfect! thank you
Srly, where can I buy a cap like that?
Nice vídeo, im learning a lot with your channel, i ride my Africa Twin off road thanks to you.
Man that R 1200 GS is not a bike it is a frikin transformer!
So simple and effective. Just throw some sticks in as a ramp. Going to use that idea next time
Practice on small obstacles first, Sam.
MOTOTREK no prob mate. I often go over stuff on my kawasaki 330 dual sport. Just ur idea of the ramp opens up alot more.possibilities out in the jungles here
i wonder how quick one has to let lose of the clutch and when exactly and how aggressive i I should open the throttle...?
Almost broke the first log! :)
Olis she is a big girl and those logs were rotten
Nice good all to know
That was awesome, I can see that would take practice!
nood
EXCELLENT video and EXACTLY how it should be done on a 500 LB adv bike!
Climbing the Yuletide Log.
Man! You‘re good.
What Jacket are you wearing there? Looks really nice
is there any similar technique to use with DCT motorcycle?
Great video! The question I would have is when do you know if the obstacle is impassable? I have come upon some rock sequences that are about the height of that log. After the first one...more rocks. So the equilibrium is difficult to maintain. Any demos of that setup? Thanks!
not currently... the only place I have done that was near Colorado Springs on an F800GS. I will keep an eye out for something local
I think that comes down to personal skills and comfort level. These motorcycles are often more capable than we are as riders. Sometimes it is better to turn around and live to fight another day.
Dont doubt and hesitate applying power when needed
@MOTOTREK which bike do you ride?.. Also which 800 cc adventure bike do you think is the best?
Prakash Didla I hope you like the new video about my bike. I like the F800GS allot. I ride my F800GS for 100,000 through north and south America. I miss that bike often.
nice
5:10 that gs looks sexy ..
Sub'd and T-up! Good stuff. What year BMW are you riding?
Thanks, David. th-cam.com/video/KYLp-TgK4-U/w-d-xo.html
hello, what kind of tyres you use on this video?
'Wings are not Adventure bikes, but we do go into forests and other odd areas often so I wanted to watch to see if it would help us at all, I believe we can also use this approach within our limitations.
It will help, Jeff. Checkout these guys th-cam.com/channels/lS7VlOLbHRX04uHmJTidaA.html
If you make a small jump over a hill with an ADV Bike I am seeing the tendency for the nose to come back down very heavy. Is that just how these beast handle or is it possible to load/unload the suspension or use mid-air throttle to regulate the pitch of the motorcycle before the front forks take a pounding?
They can land heavy. The issue the day of this shoot was the new suspension was not dialed in and the compression and rebound were too much and the bike needed more spring sag.
It's better now, but still a 600lbs bike
So how often you changing oil / filter in miles?
wouldnt it also help to preload the suspension before going over? (my trials back ground} makes me think that even tho it does use a little effort, the reward would be beneficial. your thoughts?
J, thanks for hunting me down at Puget Sound Safety... the conversion was good
In theory yes however on a large ADV bike that is less effective due the fact the rider has less effect on a heavy spring and bike than that of a trials bike, the duolever suspension on a BMW makes it a completely useless. On a trials bike you can hop the tires off the ground without even moving... not so on an ADV bike. So yes the theory is good but I have yet to see it effective in this riding.
Bret Tkacs~
i shut the throttle abruptly on the approach, just before goosing it. That preloads the front.
👍👌
what tires do you use?
Clutch-in as soon as the front hits the log is wrong and leads to nosedive. Rear must be under power when it's clearing the obstacle - the rider must maintain open throttle.
To avoid whisky throttle, proper neutral standing body position must be maintained: body over center of mass, knees slightly bent and gripping the bike, hands relaxed on the bars. Practice clearing small logs until you can get the bike to land on both wheels at the same time
open throttle when the rear hits can cause the bike to buck the rider off by kicking up at the rear... also and ideal landing would be front tire leading so the bike rolls onto its suspension
He almost got bucked off because he grabbed the clutch. Watch the slo mo of his head whipping when the front wheel hits the ground.
You are absolutely right Y_a_R. Let the throttle open just a bit longer (no clutch) until after the rear tire climbed the obstacle. Landing on the rear wheel would be much more comfortable and safe anyhow. ... Interesting though that these basics still have to be explained to riders of such expensive bikes.
"Interesting though that these basics still have to be explained to riders of such expensive bikes."
Everybody needs to learn at some point right?
Many/Most people who are doing this with these big heavy bikes are road riders who've bought them so they can get off the tarmac on something like a forest service road. Once you start doing that you want to take your skills farther, not in the attempt to be an enduro rider, but to be more skilled and competent when our road runs out be we want to keep going. What he's teaching might be basic on a 200 pound enduro bike, but it's an advanced skill on a 700 pound fully loaded ADV touring bike.
Y_a_R Take a Chris Birch course and he'll tell you the same thing as Bret, although Chris says clutch in as soon as the rear tire hits the log. If you don't believe Bret, then you certainly should believe Chris Birch. More throttle before the log will launch the bike more and land both wheels about the same time. This is harder to do on a big adventure bike, and much harder for a newer rider to do, and much, much harder for a newer rider on a big adventure bike. If, for example, the log no longer had any bark on it and it was wet (and therefore slippery), having the throttle on when the rear tire hits the log would most likely end badly for you with the rear end kicking out as it spun out on the log.
I don't understand why the panniers don't come off with the force of that hit when the rear comes crashing down
how many times you can do it before your front forks DIE and start leak oil ... ?? 5 times ?
I'm so scared to even try this, perhaps on a small bike
Pretty Scientific. I have to wonder though if one needs to carry all this equipment he might well get an atv or small 4x4 car.
How do I get some of your decals for my bikes?
They're free in-person or if you send a self-addressed, stamped envelope. Or there's a PayPal option on Mototrek.net.
Vry awsom, but we won't stop n bull ramp during traveling 😋, anyway thx 4 da knowledge
should be standing or sitting on approach? or does it matter?
I'd say almost certainly standing. You'll have a lot more "body language" control over weight distribution on the bike. You can lean back as you blip the throttle to lighten the front wheel then use your legs to mitigate that front wheel piledriving into the ground when you stick it.
I like the body armor on the beemer, and very well advised...:) Seer
That's all you need to know about BMW, 20 cm beam it's already a challenge for adventure bike, lol
KTM or Suzuki manuals just saying - drive carefully for such obstacles:)
Why didn't he make the "ramp" from the side that he originally approached?
If you are truly in a bind, the bike's too heavy, you can always unpack your load. Get over the obstacle, and then repack.✌🏽
Did you mention fork seals ??
“So...what did I do wrong?”. You bought a Tenere and expected it to be an adventure bike?
Ronan Rogers Bahaha...ok, you win today.
...I think he expected it to be an XR100R.
Can I try this on your rental bikes 🥺
Yes - after you sign the waiver :)
I would go around
I think the technique would be the same as on a smaller lighter bike...but because of the weight of a bigger bike the reaction of the bike will be different. ..honestly its just going to require good skill courage and muscle
superb, but needs lots and lots of practice.
Don’t worry about the limp sticking up
You will never fall and land on it
That only happens in the movies
Right?
Well you should probably be aware of it, but like most things motorcycle you probably shouldn't let the possibility of something bad happening freeze you into inaction. BTW if it's right next to your engine it'll be almost impossible to fall on, just don't spear your foot!
Well, that landing didn't look smooth or safe. I'm not experienced at all in off road, but that just doesn't look good or comfortable.
I would think that a little more throttle to try to "jump" and land on both tires instead of that jerky motion and hitting the front so hard.
The thing i worry about the landing is the front suspension if it breaks a seal there is no way you can rebuild it on the path unless you have tools and the replacements
I totally agree with JustThaor. I made several time this trick with mountain bike and definitely I wouldn't love to land in that way with the wheigt on the front wheel!
It’s because he didn’t jump the log correctly... he was talking about pulling the clutch in and letting the back tire roll over.......... Well, that landing is exactly what you get! Search double blip technique. Double blip is how you properly get over a log. I don’t care how big the bike is.
And yes big bikes can wheelie
th-cam.com/video/6oh95eTdsNs/w-d-xo.html
The new KTM’s will have turbo-boost, so this is unnecessary.
when they run . . . and
not in the shop!
Jejejejeje, si intento yo eso me despachurro en el suelo, por eso llevo una moto ligera, es caso extremo la cojo bajo el brazo y paso el obstáculo que sea.
Nice video
I'm 165cm tall with a 30 inch inseam. Will a GSA be comfortable for me?
Bret I'm waiting for your reply
@@najmabibn8188 A TW200 might feel more comfy, and the bike is so small it could go under that log. More seriously, that's a big bike for your inseam, which doesn't mean, if you have good riding skills that it wouldn't do, but may be something lighter with lower seat height might feel more enjoyable, like may be a DR650 or KTM 690.
Takes some skill that does
Walking pace my ass. At 3:11 and 3:18 you can see the rear wheel kick almost a foot above the log from hitting it so hard and fast and to make matters worse the clutch pull sealed the deal with a near face plant. Extreme whiplash on the riders neck if you watch his head whip forward and back. I have an ADV course and prefer to go just fast enough to keep the momentum going to slide the skid plate over the log. Yes you need a kicker. And if you go too slow you will be hung up. Bike will be stuck on the log and will not be pretty getting it off. Too fast and you break your neck. This as stated should be practiced on small logs first and only used if there is no other option around. Even if going around is a pain in the ass it is better than getting hung up on log. Or face planting. Practice at home then know your limitations when on the trail. I would stay on throttle a bit and try to lessen the nose dive.
"Yup, it's wood."
I drive slower when I'm fully loaded
How about just carrying a chainsaw? I enjoyed the video and thanks for making it, although those sharp branches sticking out on the log would give me pause before attempting to ride over it
If you're riding a 600lb bike, might as well carry one.
By the way he analyzed it through and through, I can assume it's a log
adventure camp?
Dates for 2019 wil be posted soon. Go to TourUSA.us. that is the new host for the next camps
I feel more comfortable with a full cradle and bash plate. Go slow and drag it over whatever.
Jeez that front wheel dropping was horrible. Why wouldn't you stay on the throttle long enough to let the rear tire come down first. Works for trailbikes and I have been known to do it on my street bike over speed bumps and curbs.
Disagree on 1 bit. I take off on throttle and land on throttle. When you took of the big log, you landed on your front wheel because you cut the gas while taking off. We all know that the rear suspension is a lot stronger than the front. So keeping the gas open keeps the trajectory pointing upwards giving the rider a better chance of landing on either the rear wheel or both wheels. Landing on the front is a bad idea.
Thanks for the comments, Mahesh, but these are BIG bikes going over BIG obstacles. The last thing we want to do is go fast. We want just enough momentum to get over the obstacle. We are not flying or jumping over them like we would do on much smaller bikes.
@3:05 you say "Pull the clutch so we get a nice rollover" but that surely looks like a right hand brake shot on the camera.
Feathering the front brake to go "nice and slow", John.
Is it just me or why would you drive over the log when you can go around it? Hehehe.....
I'm just here to learn how to deal with protesters that lay in the road. Thanks.
give it more throttle when going over logs like that, u wont come down so hard on the front
the suspension had just been installed that day before... now that the damping is dialed back properly is lands is much smoother.
Riding a heavy bike into/over such an obstacle is a sure way to damage the wire wheels.
Nice, but keep on the gas.. trust me:)
reckon you almost binned it on the big log.. not saying I could have done any better but I think your rabbits foot saved you on that one..
No offense but when you jumped first time your GS's spine must had cracked
Nothing against this channel, but "adventure" is a word for a motorcycle that belongs on a street at best or a fire trail at worst. They are the RVs of the off-road world. I don't doubt riding one around could be loads of fun, especially with camping/exploring in the mix, but trying to make such a big heavy bike an "off road machine" goes against physics.
True all all counts... But riding a motorcycle in most cases is already not logical :-)
To top it off this GS is certainly NOT even close to the most Offroad capable ADV bike!
I would probably end up getting impaled by that piece of wood that is sticking out
save your tires go around
Not sure why you’re telling people to pull the clutch in before the rear wheel clears the obstacle?! Your own demonstration almost sent you over the bars. shutting the power off will always cause the bike to nose dive, the power should not be shut off until the rear wheel clears the obstacle. This will enable the front wheel to be pushed up and forward, not down and thus enable the bike to land on both wheels with a bit of practice. That’s from 36 years experience, and 28 of those riding competition trials.
The objective is to clear the obstacle slowly and safely, not fly over it.
How many competition trials did you ride with a 600-pound bike?
MOTOTREK I know you know you should not have landed with the nose first, but a better cross should be used as a tutorial.
Or buy a trials bike and yeet over a 6 foot wall with no setup
"Or buy a trials bike..." Says the guy who's never packed a campsite on the back of his bike and ridden a couple hundred miles at freeway speeds before hitting dirt. Street-legalness aside, you'll probably be road pizza the first good crosswind hits you...
very heavy bikes....!
trapne...hhhh
If enjoy drifts, wheelies, jumping over obstacles buy a dirt bike other ways end up damaging a bike made for street use.
That was not nice.... u kicked the rear tire on that log, and brought that front tire down so hard
Nope.