We're Making A Tape Orchestra!!!
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- SANDY'S NEW CHANNEL: / @dobsonslab
Thanks to the guys at Control for letting us film, check them out here: www.ctrl-mod.com/ (cool URL) and to find out more about the Echo Fix delay unit get chatting to these guys! www.signalsoun...
Sounding absolutely fantastic. Will it be a labs instrument (as suggested), or part of the new Albion?
L A B S ! ! !
Christian Henson Music 🙌🏻 Thank you! I was worried on behalf of my bank account
Christian Henson Music OMG. Can’t wait!
@@TheCrowHillCo AWESOME, and thank you SOOOO much Christian!!!
The long tape means if you switch off (or otherwise modulate) the erase head the signal will come back much later. In the good old days we used to hang tape from the backs of chairs, running through the recording machine then into a playback machine on the other side of the room. Echoes that come back minutes later rather than seconds. Oh, so much has been lost!
I'm a tape lover (and user) my whole life. I was almost hoping that you'd forgotten about the Echo Fix and I could be done with lusting after one. No such luck! The reason for making an "endless loop" of tape as long as possible is two fold. As others have mentioned, it's to avoid the inevitable wear you get from running the same meter or so of tape across the guides and heads over and over (each centimeter gets played every few seconds unlike a reel of tape thats up to 3600 feet long). No matter how precise the machine is, the wear and stretching is irregular. If the tape is too short, the listeners brain will perceive the "rhythm" of the pattern of wear which will be proportional to the tape speed.
I don't think that's why the tape is so long.
I (and I'm sure many others) would love to see you and LookMumNoComputer having a chat! He's a very inspirational fellow.
Gah, your videos have me so excited about making music. Thanks so much for your time, and good luck on your album!
I was laughing at the “drummy drummy drum drums” like a child in a sweet shop
Sandy, would love to see a ‘from concept through to build’ of some kind of unusual synth or effect in a short form 10-15 minute video, with a way longer deep dive version available. Or maybe a series for your channel following the process of learning how to design and wire your own gear, in bite size chunks. Found myself being curious about building my own synths, amps and effects, but its still way off the deep end for me, and I struggle to hold my attention when it comes to electronics and engineering videos. Watching look mum no computers vids, thinking I’d love to build smaller versions of some of that kind of stuff, but can’t seem to find an approachable way. A video series going through that stuff, so even drummers could understand 🤪, might be a winner!
Those looping tapes sounded ace Christian! Looking forward to this new labs!!!
Great idea Sam!
Dobson's Lab Thanks Sandy! Looking forward to your videos 😁
The comment that really resonated with me in this video was that you felt doing your own music would be an indulgence.
I too feel guilty when I consider being "selfish" and embarking on my own compositions. I don't think twice of dropping everything at a moments notice for a client - but to grant myself time to be creative for me would seem luxurious. It's even more ridiculous at the moment as two of my large clients went bust recently so I have spare time. But because it would normally be "work time", I feel it is undeserving to use that time for fun, even though I have done all the tasks I need to do.
Tsk! Oversharing again! Apologies, normal service will be resumed shortly.
Loving it! Can't wait to hear what you guys come up with next! Seeing your studio kit was like Christmas x 1000000
Great to see Sandy in a bigger role, he's been ultra helpful to me over the years
Love the idea that you're going back to your roots with the drummy, drum, drum, drums. And the new LABS instrument sounds very exciting - especially since my resolution is spending less money on software this year! Many thanks.
Beautiful! I’m currently modifying a Matantz pmd-222 into a stand alone and controllable tape echo machine. Tape saturation is so beautiful. Nice a Nagra in the passing shots :) good luck with all of this. Will follow for sure.
I've had the Avalanche run in my pedal chain ever since Knobs did a video of it years and years ago. Lovely pedal.
I read a story that, back in the day, Delia Derbyshire would work late at the Radiophonic Workshop so that she could string tape loops up and down the corridor outside the studio.
WOW those sounds are absolutely beautiful!
Hello, I suppose the long tape make it wear out less fast. The delay time is determined by the combination Motorspeed + distance between record and playback head. The piece of tape between the last playback head and the first head (erase) doesn have any effect on the delay time. (one exception will be the RE501 or SRE555 which has a loop/sample option which disables the erase head. In this case tape lenght + motor spead determines sample/record time.
That Tape Echo EF-X2 is fucking mental!
Ah the smell of a freshly cleaned tape head. I miss the old days.
I love the reflection about working with the gear just to explore sounds and musical ideas because...the love of music takes you to a very happy place, basically. I don’t feel like packaging tracks these days as much as seeing where the sound(s) takes me musically. That makes me musically happy...for now...at 9:25, is that the new labs??? ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️ That is crazy beautiful sounding tape trashed Gold😍
Christian's kid at the end: "Like and suscr..[abrupt cut]"
He switched the camera off, not my brutal editing chops honestly guv'nor. You can see two of them in the shadow!
@@TheCrowHillCo just brilliant!
I may be wrong, but isn't the reason for the long tape loop so that it lasts longer? I know that the tag line for a certain tape brand was "rerecord, not fade away", but every time you record onto tape, there is a small bit of physical wear. Having a ridiculously long tape loop minimises that, and any possibility of the tape stretching because of unwanted tension
A long tape also allows for longer experimental effects, llike Sound on Sound, if supported. See here... th-cam.com/video/Z5F9SeiY_4s/w-d-xo.html
Avoiding tensioning issues I believe is one of the reasons also for the seemingly excess amount of tape required.
Thanks.
Also more tape media means less wear and lasts longer before swapping out.
Cant wait for LABS!! Spitfire rules!!!
I miss Control was there every freaking 2 weeks, i see Max was still there, mix him too.
Sandy - Yes! to demoing in VCV. Or perhaps a compromise would be using hardware with free VCV equivalents available and listing them at the beginning of the tutorial.
So. Much. Gearporn.
Beautiful stuff!
Sandy its a bit different but I'd love too see a look at circut-bending, the amount of crazy stuff you can get from it blows my mind and I'd love to see your approach!
Great start to 2020, thanks Christian. Could we see more of how those 15 & 30 sec tape loops were used?
I came back to see this video again after trying out the tape orchestra LABS today. Absolutely great job, I really liked the Wind Loops! Did anyone came up with an answer to why the tape loop is so long on the tape echoes?
Great stuff excited to see what is going to come of your continued adventures into modular. I myself have started this year by starting my journey into eurocrack. Keep up the great videos
Hey Chris, I've been searching all around and couldn't find out. Can you please tell us what's the main keyboard you are using? Or what keyboard do you recommend for proper velocity response for scoring? Thanks a lot!
Man, that sounded luuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuush.
Nice to see Max Ravitz a.k.a Patricia at Mod+Ctrl. Surely one of the last time to see him selling something there before he goes to Asheville NC to work in Moog's HQ Nasheville. -) Also Nice words about Space Echos -)
@7:37 you bought the Joe 90 box...marvellous!
'Nastier and noisier' That's my kind of talk. Yes Sandy as Mr Shrimpton has said - concept to build, plus how do you compose/set up using your Elektron units with the modular nonsense, I mean units?
I'm totally new to all this stuff. I was wondering if anyone could explain sort of simply what is going on with the tape, or how this is all working. It sounds awesome, but I have no idea how to do something like this myself.
really excited for this one!!
Put that Erica drum sequencer where you can reach it.
love the shadows 😊
Aha! Sandy!! Wondered what had happened to Sandy! We love Sandy - he's the only guy I know who can actually read an Apple error report! Quite a remarkable skill! We love Luke too, btw, at Spitfire - but Sandy will always the first. You never forget your first Tech Support "Superhero" .....
Hi Sandy, Use VCV Racks please. Let's go back to basics. I'm massively confused by modular as an oldskool musician used to playing a note on a keyboard and a sound happening!
Yes you can make great drums and put the stickers on the side of the case thats what i do.PS use Maths envelope on the pitch input of drum modules for ultra snap
I left my wife and kids in Brooklyn Botanical Gardens and grabbed an Uber to Control in July, was a good thing to do :)
Synth 101 series request: VCOs, VCAs and also the third thing, yes, but also the flow from sound generator to modulation to sequencer. I still feel there must be something I haven't heard of, some missing link.
Oh, and at 4:38 I thought I heard you say 'I'm gonna but my money where my wife is'
I've finally settled on the list of things I want my modular setup to be able to do and located modules that are able to do those things, and with that this year I hope to get it started. I suspect that all-told it'll end up being around 4k Euros though, so that's a problem...
The general idea of the setup is to be able to do a lot with recorded (acoustic) sounds, which I can then adapt in all kinds of ways. It'll be useable as a vocoder and harmonizer, be able to turn sounds into pads and drums on the fly and I'll be able to record directly into it from my daw so I can use any sample libraries I own to then manipulate them with the modular setup. If someone is performing live with an acoustic instrument, I'll be able to take snipets of their performance and accompany them using their own sounds as a base, all on the fly.
That's the concept.
Seems like ableton live setup to me. Just think of clever mappings. For bcr 2000 or couple of them and you probably could pull if off.
@@micindir4213 I'm guessing Ableton can do some of what I have in mind, but taking it out of the computer is also kind of part of the point. Not to mention that the modular setup makes it very easy to control on the fly. (and it probably looks better on a stage)
@@AynenMakino just know that you're going into FFT processing territory, which is CPU intensive and its better to design yourself an interface than to stick to whatever manufacturer has done. That is one part.
Another thing that you might consider splitting the system into two parts -
one is analog processor - VCA, drives, filters etc.
another is digital sampler/FFT processor - delay, loop, harmonizer
@@micindir4213 I'm looking into dividing the setup in smaller segments in order to expand slowly, as finding the funding to get it all in one go is less likely. So I may end up with a segmented setup anyway.
"The length of the loop controls the length of the repeated sound, and combines with the desired content of the composer to create a single tape loop. Very long loops allowed for lengthier fragments of sound."
It also serves the practical purpose of not wearing out as fast as a shorter loop would.
But only if that nasty erase head is taken out!
Great vid Christian. Does anyone know a similar product to Amulet's tape machine?
Sadly not. It’s custom made by Amulets. He has a TH-cam channel, check it out. Also check out Hainbach’s channel.
Yes! 5u format finally
you got a lot of help there Christian .... imagine if it was just YOU . doing everything?
Good stuff
You are crazy.
I like that.
One of the historical reasons for longer loops, was to have prolonged usage... more tape less wear.
Thanks Sarah.
Nice!
This is way I do everything inside the box, cause I was so lost in what he was saying.
I can feel myself getting poorer just by watching this video.
They have a long section of tape inside the machine purely so that an Englishman can call it wiggly-woggly.
Oh how the inner nerd and Krautrock fan is released - We really do the whole Heath Robinson thing great don't we? The feeding of a long tape as designed greats like Delia Derbyshire did back int' day. She had tape up and down the corridors of Maida Vale studios to get that length of echo or repeat I think she said, must go back and watch the interview - documentary.
Oh look what i found! th-cam.com/video/nXnmSgaeGAI/w-d-xo.html
Mark Doney: yeh ! Delia was a true pioneer! 🐂💨
Can anyone link that FB group. Dobson's Lab or something?
Long tape = long delay time
Do they sell that ”book” of tapeloops? Looove tapelooping
I might have to sell my Sony 510-2 taperecordee to fund that Echo Fix 😉
Such a bad influence.... lol I must resist the temptation!
Come back soon!
Hands on
Massive sound 2 and 3 FAB
William. Basinski.....
Maybe just stop making vids for a while and just have camera's on and see what happens. NO DISTRACTIONS. Your album is more important than youtube as far finding your personal expression. We will all still be here when you return :)
Jumeshell Share loll , tiny vilage in the South of France , Man i need Oxsiegen sp yep Dislexsic making to many mistacks its a Space Eco man thats a creative Window you guys are wired the wright way great Video .
Yeah Focus on pricing for everyone hehe =)
With all the hipsters...lulz
2020: Hipsters with no clue abt music try to "compete" with Conlon Nancarrow, La Monte Young, Terry Riley, Stockhausen, Steve Reich and later Tangerine Dream, Popol Vuh and Brian Eno.
Using ultraexpensive and rare equipment to "be someone different". Electronic Music is more than 60 years old , Your Grand Grandfathers did it already and their music was much better.
Our Society is becoming something IDIOCRACY (the movie).
watch this abt tape to tape music th-cam.com/video/4Xjtm-RZaek/w-d-xo.html Frippertronics
Well said man🐂💨💨💨