There Are Only 2 Tyres Worth Buying
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- Tyres are always the talk of the town, but over the years I've found the solution.
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It's really hard to take the advice of someone who dresses like Vincent and Jewels after they shot Marvin in the face in Pulp Fiction...
Lol
I'm glad it isn't fashion advice, but your man is talking tyres. I agree his basic point. I run my 701 on Michelin Trackers and been happy with Motoz Rallz and Anakee Wilds. Summer in the dry, my road wheels have Avon Treks which are fine on our dry earth and stone tracks. I run my Tiger on Dunlop Trailmax which are good until they get to a muddy incline but really good on the road.
I agree with you. He should respect his audience and wear proper clothes.
Hahahaha that's a great comment. And no, I will not be wearing 'proper' clothes @saadstrips6573
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I guess I went the different route. After years of enduro, I found it easy to get a bigger ADV bike thru tricky offroad areas just from balance, momentum and weighting the bars/pegs instead of full knobbies. Having a bike comfortable on long pavement stretches was a newfound pleasure being able to explore anywhere all day knowing u got the skill and experience to get in/out of anything offroad within reason. Or on a hot day after work, just go for a little rip around town to cool off without the worry of wearing out those $270 "offroad only" tires. I found myself riding my bike twice as much with cheap 50/50 tires and adjusting the psi on/off road.
Hey it's whatever works for you. Which tyres are you running?
Agreed, I think with big adventure bike riding, unless you are really going for very challenging, steep or muddy terrain, relying more on rider skill, and balance is the way to go. The blocked up knobby tires are just too loud and unpleasant on the pavement for me. The Dunlop Trail Max Missions and the Scorpion STR's are both great versatile adv tires, the will perform great off road except in Mud.
Smaller dual sport, I like the Dunlop D605. Cheap, soft rubber for rocks/wet pavement, and the sidewall is soft enough to do anything u want with psi adjustment.
@@superflycatchermtb Im on a smaller dual sport, but heard a lot bout the Missions. And I go a long ways to avoid mud, I hate it
@@tieoneon1614 I don't think the Trailmax Mission is a good tire for a smaller dual sport. It's way too stiff and heavy, you need that for the power and weight of a big ADV bike, but there are better, litter more compliant tires for smaller dual sports.
Yep agree with you. I do a lot of long road rides with mates and then live to go hit the dirt back roads for a weekend by myself on my 800de. The Trailmax Missions are perfect for me
Good to hear mate. Haven't heard a bad thing about the trailmax missions
Got a set of Pirelli trail master 2 ‘s …for Versys 650… compared to the stock tyres …they are brilliant , great for power slides on dirt, confidence inspiring on road
For the way I ride my VStrom 1000XT, mostly pavement and good gravel/dirt/rock roads, Dunlop TrailMax Missions have been fantastic. I have over 37,000 miles (60,000 km) on 3 sets of them. Your advice is spot on for the way you ride (as seen from your videos). Good video!
Another note, I prefer reinforced bias ply tires for tubeless tires. Their sidewalls are stiff enough you may be able to ride them flat to a safe area to plug them.
Good point and something to consider for everyone. That's some good mileage!
Wow, I would never call the AX41 a wannabe tire. I really enjoyed them. In the deep sand of Utah and also in the mountains of Colorado. They don’t last long, but perform quite good especially on my Africa Twin. For longer distances I would go for a AX41 at front and a Motoz Tractionator Adventure at the rear. You may get more out of a set of Dunlop Trailmax Mission, but in wet conditions for me they become unpredictable.
I didn't mind the front at all, it's mainly the rear I have the issue with. It just didn't last for me
I agree, AX41 Adventurecross are on my T7 and my 850GSA. They perform very good off-road, everything from muddy ATV trails in Wisconsin and rocky rutted backcountry roads in Colorado. They also perform very good on pavement, twistys and rain is no problem.
This is my opinion… everyone has one. Ha!
@@Hallnadventure that's it, they are like assholes 😂
@@onthebackwheel Thanks for your insight. First thing I do on all my vehicles, motorcycles or pickup trucks is fit the proper tires for my purpose.
On a side note, I had the opportunity to travel to Australia in 1996. My son was a professional mountain bike racer from the USA. He qualified for the World Championships in Cairns, Australia. I traveled to Cairns, we had a heck of a good time, stayed at a resort on the beach. Great people, Jeff finished 17th in the World.
I stayed a couple extra days and rented a 650 Yamaha Enduro. I rode up the coast to Cooktown, then I rode inland in the outback. Got stuck in a creek and decided with all the crocodiles in the area that I better stay outta the creeks… haha! The whole adventure in Australia for me and my son, who is 47 years old now was a real highlight! Ride on!
@@Hallnadventure sounds like a bloody good time to me. Cairns is a good spot
Solid recommendations! I've been running the dual venture front and I love it. Had that front wheel slip you mentioned on my KLR with stock tires and decided to get rid of them right away. For the back I got the motoz adventure which is just a bit less aggressive than the rallz.
Great choices mate
I have a Ktm 690 enduro r and run Dunlop Trailmax Missions on it. I was burning through knobbies in 2000 miles or less on the roads so I switched to the missions. They are much better on the road, fine on gravel and dirt but not good in mud for me. That’s fine because I’m no fan of mud either. The better road performance has been great. It seems a 50/50 tire suits my riding better than the knobbies and the extra mileage I’ll get out of the is a bonus
Good to hear mate. They seem like they are doing the job for a lot of people
“Check out the big brain on Brad” 🤣. Can’t stop thinking about the movie now! I definateky like the Motoz rear on my T7.
"Aw, man, I shot Marvin in the face!"
I've done the D606/MT21 pair for a bit and they work well although the MT21 wore out quickly. I switched to the Shinko 700 with a MotoZ Rallz front and that has worked so good for me for all types of terrain, even amazing in snow surprisingly. I think when the Shinko wears out I'll try the RallZ rear.
The Rallz rear should get pretty big kms depending on your bike. Fair few ppl like the Shinko, very solid for the price
Wise words Curtis. 👍
Most of my riding comes large chunks of pavement riding and the Dunlop Trailmax Missions have worked well for me there or even on gravel.
Nice Pinkie, good to hear I'm not recommending crap!
Interesting as I've decided on the motoz rallz and dunlop missions for the same reasons. I've yet to use the Missions as their for a long upcoming trip, but the rallz worked great on difficult off road trails.
Great description brother 👊 seeing what you do on the bike I'd take your suggestions any day
Thanks mate
Aussies are the best! Who else would do a motorcycle tire guide video in their underchunders! 😂
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Thanks Curtis i ride predominantly road with occasional gravel road coming off "stock tyers" on 2023 KLR adventure i'm going for the Michaelin Adventure probable a bit over kill but i'm expecting high milage form these tyers with good wet weather grip 😊
They look like a great upgrade from the stock tires mate
Agreed, same issue with dual sport, go full knobby, it gives you a real dirt bike and still rides pavement. Add rim locks and balance weight as needed for street
Exactly 👍
FWIW, on a 1250 GSA i have used Trailmax Mission front & rear. Excellent sealed road tyres. The front was marginal on unsealed and the rear surprisingly works better than i imagined it would on both dry & wet surfaces. Used 3 TMM rears. And they last. 15,000 kms for a rear. I was impressed.
A Motoz DualVenture front and TMM rear and this was a good combo. I don't mind the rear getting a bit loose but i need the front to go where i put it and best it can, stay there. The front wheel of a GSA tends to go where it wants to go sometimes.
Mitas E07+ pretty good too. Front is great sealed road tyre, OK unsealed. Rear Mitas was good sealed & OK unsealed. Rear did not last. The front does last.
A Mitas front & TMM rear was a good combo.
It's a matter of finding the tyre(s) that work for what you ride, how you ride, where you ride and on what surfaces. And then ride to what the tyres will let you do. When it comes to choosing tyres, some expensive wastes of money eventuate.
So long as no hospital visits eventuate.
Great comment mate and good to hear from some real world experience
Great advice. I ride mainly on road and use Avon Trekriders on my Husky TR650. On the road they are magic but don't point them at sand on gravel. My 1290 is about to go the Motoz route. I can't wait to try them.
Nice mate, I haven't run Avon in years they always made good tyres. You'll definitely need something meaty for that 1290 rear!
Top vid and timely. I run Michelin Anakee Wild front a rear on the T7 but are getting the Michelin anakee adventure but they will be doing a road only trip and will be coming off as soon as I get back. Might consider the motoz you recommend when I fit the dirt tyres back on….
How do you freaks not know how to spell “TIRE”??
Sometimes I'm not sure if you yanks are joking or not!
I have the motoz on my t7 , and can’t be much better👍 awesome on tar ! And high speed …. Its a 80/80 tire 😂
Great info when it's time to re-tire.....I will need to do that on the KLR soon as I rolled over 3000 KLM before putting away last fall.
Cheers. Hopefully you'll be out riding soon enough
Well said advice. I'm a 60 yr old who rides a lot of highway but needs to be able to scramble forest and fire trail roads. I certainly don't go as hard as you though Curtis
on sigle track and the like- mostly solo riding.
Easily the best tire I've found for what i do is the Motoz GPS- long lasting, reasonable to good grip on and off pavement, reasonably priced and ozzie designed.
The best 50/50 i,ve found. Won't budge from these on my KLR.
Allabest mate. PS- i can get up to 10'000 plus Kms out of them on the rear easily.
Thanks mate. Sounds like the perfect tyre for you (and lots of others)
I found the Motoz GPS downright dangerous on wet roads after riding Tasmania in the wet weather
Wet roads are dangerous on any tyre. I find myself when wet riding, not pushing it far enough to find out!!!@@waynedrew3334
So far I have tried Michelin Desert Race and Mitas E12/E13. Both has very good grip, but mitas seems to last longer.
I'm looking forward to the new mitas xt+ that's replacing them
Love the jarmies 😁 Sorry could not resist. 👍 Good chat, I forked my MT21 not running enough air while doing too many highway and twistie Ks. Rear 606 has stood up well and still giving good feel. Cheers. New bike coming in March, but calls for a 140/80-17" not a lot to chose from. 606 130/80-17 ? Or Trailmax Raid 140/80-17, don't know it.
There's a few out there, e07, 805, tkc80. I think you'll be right running a 130 too which gives you a ton more options
Hi mate, I'm about to throw on my 4th set of MOTOZ Adventure, great tyres, like you said, big mileage, around 10-11k out of the rear on my 2018 R1200GSA. The front did scallop when going back onto bitumen after the dirt and I didn't raise the pressure. Off-road they are nothing but confident, on the road they are still pretty good, I slow down in the wet, I don't want any $hithouse moments.
Good to hear mate. I slow down in the wet too, not a fan of stacking it on the tar
I have Motoz dualventure front and Rallz rear on my Tuareg. They are awesome off road. Totally confidence inspiring. They are noisy on road, but we should be wearing earplugs anyways. The dualventure does wobble some on road when you unload the front during acceleration.
Did you find it wobbled from the start or after a little bit of time?
Enjoyed the tyre talk… now lets cover 2T oil 😂. But the go is second set of wheels for knobbies and swap as required.
That's some big brain stuff mate. And castor oil forever!
After trying the mission trailmax tires, I really don’t see myself going to anything else, unless it’s full on knobbies (for pure dirt work) …
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Good tyres
I use Maxxis Desert IT for my dual sport KLX 250. Works great everywhere except when it rains you need to be mindful of grip on pavement.
Nice mate, sounds like most knobbies on the road
Running Motoz gps tractionators on my Tiger 1200 RP. Good mileage, just need to back it off a touch on wet bitumen 😅🍻
She'd have some grunt too that big triple
I had the Motoz Ralzz tires, I detest the front tire that makes an unsayable horible noise on the road , the rear tire is less noisy and has a good service life . For my road trip or you have to do a lot of road to go in the mountain paths, I take Michelin Anake wild or Pirelli STR that work very well on road and paths, and pebble pat and gravel 👍✌
I don't think you're alone with your thoughts on the front Rallz
I just switched from the Pirelli Rally STR to the Metzler Tourance Next 2. On road they are much better than the Pirelli Rally STR and on gravel up to 1" thick they perform as well as the Pirelli Rally STR.
@@briangc1972 thank you for the information 👍
This was great. Thankyou pal. I ride a Tenere off-road and agree the scorpion rally pirelli is garbage off-road - like riding a supermoto in the dirt !
What psi do you recommend on a Tenere for aggressive off-road?
Cheers mate. Depends on the tyre. 28/28 isn't a bad place to start
7000 miles on my rear Rallz on the old klr!.. didnt love my new dv front, but adjusted to it
Goodness that's some decent mileage
ATAS 1000, manual. Motoz Tractionater HT F&R for around home, in the woods, rocky roads, and GPS for long trips. Best tires ever.
I just went on a ride with a bloke running the HT rear, he liked it too
Have you tried the Mita E07 Plus? I have them on my Pan Am, find them fantastic in the dirt, not flash in the mud but okay, and good on the road in the wet. 90% of my riding is commuting on sealed roads.
Mate not yet. I was tempted by the e07 rear and would like to try the new enduro trail. Certainly lots of love for the e07
I have E7's and they are great on dry(ish) dirt, but in UK winter mud lacking a bit ..
Good and informative video. I'm definitely thinking Motoz. I like the Mission trail max too. You're the only guy I've ever heard though not lke the Bridgestone Battle Axe. The only gripe I've ever heard about them was the wear rate,everyone seems to like the performance though?
Cheers. Performance was solid for the style of tyre, but the rear wear rate was horrible
Tried the RallZ front? Seems people dont like them, but I've found it a good tyre so far over 7000ks on the ftont and still plenty of life left, no traction issues so far. Run 28psi and never drop or inflate pressure.
Nice mate, glad to hear they are working for you. I've heard really mixed with them. The dualventure seems to just be a newer, better version
Mate the Rally Dual Venture TT front tyre is amazing. It is more aggressive than the tubeless version and it sticks like shit to a blanket and lasts ages both on and off road. I am on my 3rd rear tyre with it and only just turned it around to even up the wear. Definitely buying this one again.
Really liking my front dualventure so far mate, good to hear you've had luck with them
I run Motoz dual venture in front and tractionator adventure in the back and they are amazing.
Good to hear mate
@@onthebackwheel good thing is, for the front you can rotate to prevent scooping and extend life.
Hey. Thanks for the video. The tyre answer for medium weight, like 701 690 tenere etc, is... the motoz Rallz for 50/50 or michelin tracker for nobby. easy,
Good combo for sure
have heard great things about the motoz lineup, too bad they are a bit hard to get in the US still. really would like to try the GPS on my 800GS. my shinko 705s have been a solid commuter tire, but every winter when things start turning to mud I really wish I had something with better off-road manners. I think my 705s are more comparable to the missions, do you think the GPS would have better manners in sand/mud, if even just a little?
I haven't used the 705's, but the Motoz are a little bit more off-road oriented. Definitely worth a try
I'm still a Learner on a Klr650 adventure and now have d605 rear and irc trail gp 21f. Much happier now than the stock tires with 8000km on them.
Hand heard of those specific irc tires. I didn't like the 605, glad you don't mind them
I got 605 for road and getting through some dirt/mud sometimes. Irc from crf300l given to me new and for free couple days ago. I'm literally and beginner rider on a big girl. Go big or go home...lol
@@zerotheklr650 haha that's the spirit mate 👊
Great stuff crazy V-Strom dude🤙
Haha thanks bud
I love my Karoo 4 , I have a lot of confidence in them.
What kind of mileage you expecting?
@@onthebackwheel The last set I got 10,000 on front till it was spent , i kept it on till 12,000 because iI got 6000 each out of two rears, I look for dirt where ever I can but there is always a lot of tar to get to there. They are excellent on the tar and they handle better than i ride on the dirt
@@Biggiesbikes good to hear mate, that's pretty decent. Sounds like it's exactly what you're after
Tires, tires, tires....Great video! I'm a cheater, I have two sets of wheels for my 1250 GS. When I am heading out to do a BDR or Baja I run a 90/90-21 Trailmax Mission (trying the Trailmax Raid in Baja in two weeks) up front and Motoz adventure in the rear. I switch wheels when i get home and use my stock wheels with mostly street shoes for commuting and such.
Best of both worlds there mate
On my WR250R I love Kenda Trakmaster Rear / Washougal Front. Mainly ride off-road, they're cheap to replace. I'll keep buying new ones more often then sacrifice off-road performance.
Ran similar on my klx250, not a bad way to go
Good video. Michelin Enduro Mediums are excellent full on off road tires that are street legal.
Great suggestion mate, serious tyres those
Hi Cusrtis, greatings from UK. What is your opinion on motoz tractionator adventure tyres front and rear on Aprilia Tuareg. Going to do TET sections in Poland this year. From what I've learned around 40% of those sections is sand. Now to get to Poland me and my mate will be traveling through few countries mainy on motorways. So I need bit of a advice regarding what tyres to put on. Thanks in advance for your opinion.
Hi there. I'd go with the dualventure front tubeless. Makes it easy for you with the tubeless rims. Depending on how hard you go off-road you could go the tractionator or Rallz
I‘m living in Germany. Right next to the border of Poland. And mate, here in this area it’s sandy everywhere. 😤 I would recommend till the border of Poland just on your old set of tires and change them to something aggressive in any border town you want. Maybe the RallZ or D908. What ever you will do, don’t forget to have fun! 🤣
Now you set a benchmark may have to have a different set of board shorts at camera angle change hay wonder if rip curl will sponsor that. 😮
Love the vids just got a triumph x400 scramble mainly been just touring 👍🏻
Mate I'm tempted to accept that challenge 😂
Amen! I ride sand about 80% of my km and i FINALLY went to a full dessert tire and its a world of difference. Still street legal and its noisey on the hwy but im mostly offroad
They do get a bit noisy once they wear hey
I am now using the Motoz Desert Tractionator ? I forget exactly what they re called. My Aprilia Tuareg 660 seems to be really difficult to control the front tire in the sand, all my friends who have more experience then me say the same thing, it's a really difficult bike to ride in the sand, gotta be 100% aggressive ALL the time and then it's okay.
@@mennonitemoto5941 must be the tyre mate because I didn't find the Tuareg too bad in the sand. Certainly not easy still! I think you might have the desert ht?
Yeah that sounds like the right tire. I'm a very new rider so I know that's part of my problem. But when I switched to my cousins Harley Pan Am it was WAAAAAY easier to ride in the sand! We have deep heavy dand where I live in canada
I've also had fooled around with the suspension a lot and found that keeping things super stiff on the front is helpful and softer in the rear, but maybe that's wrong? Advice?
I run Motoz duelventure and Motoz Adventurer done 6k of mixed dirt and road tons of tread left , Great tyres cost a little more than the D606 or pirelli scorpion race .either way great tyres sets
Good to hear mate. Interesting that the dualventure and scorpion rally are the same price for me
I don't know about Australia but in Europe the mechelin tracker is a street legal enduro tyre and really cheap !
Some Motoz enduro tyres are olso street legal but more expensive and hard to find, at least in france...
I just had a look and yes, we get them. Nice looking tyres
Haha did you just wake up in your tent thinking....lets make a video 😂. Thanks for the advice never the less
Lol I did just wake up prior. Two young kids and shift work, not the best for sleeping
I'm with you on the motoz tyres. So far there are unicorn on my 2nd set. Around 5k to 8k. Doing long fast straight Highway riding, twisty wet Rangers bitumen and Dirt. Just to get to the riding destination. A little bit more expensive then I would like but safety first. Far North Queensland riding
I hear the riding is pretty good up there
Great content as always. I do a little off road with my DE but mostly on roads. I ride with 50/50 tires. I use Hidenau K60 Scouts. They are pretty good tires and very well priced they are similar to Motoz GPZ. Unfortunately Motoz stuff is just unobtanium in Canada where I live. I even have them on my Royal Enfield Int650 and I really like them in it, the bike handles logging roads very well. The K60 scouts are good for my area because the side lugs, unlike where you ride we got nothing but sharp blast rock and loose gravel. There is no going fast on this stuff because the DE just digs in with the skiny front tire and the 530 lbs of weight, I think a wider 19 inch would do better. This is another reason why I don't ride with hard luggage, I almost busted my leg more then once. Any who great content. Not sure if you took a look at the k60 scouts, K60 rangers are more nobby but very loud on the road.
I'm not a fan of hard luggage at all for the rough stuff either. My local stores don't have a lot of Heidenau. I can get the KLR size rear but not for the big 800DE
@@onthebackwheel Well Motoz is made in Aus isn't it? The k60s scouts are pretty inexpensive its 120 for front and 220 for rear. Motoz are like 160 front and 420 for rear. Crazy.
@@Happypillz ouch, that's mental. This set was 480 aud. No doubt the scouts would be cheaper here too though
I have an Africa Twin 1100 AS and I am running K60 Scouts on it and I really like them. I'm pretty much due to replace the rear one but I do have about 22,000Km on it and just over 8000km of that I was loaded very heavy and made it up to just north of the Arctic Circle to the NWT border, and it was wet and snotty all the way up the Dempster and back down and my bike stayed under me where it belonged. lol. I am sure a more knobby rear would have been burnt off just from the trip alone.
Done about 800km on ax41's. I'll probably get that again out of the rear and I'll be replacing it with desert ht's.
That's some ROUGH mileage
Great Video, I have been running the Bridgestone AX41 on my Norden 901 expedition and your right , the wear rate is shit 3000 km and i am one of the old farts that's now venturing off road and loving it . But I am very happy with the grip both on road and off . My question is does the Motoz rall z have a similar grip leave on road wet and dry . Cheers Dave
Gday Dave. It's slightly less in the dry and a fair bit less in the wet. Thing is, WAYYYY better mileage
@@onthebackwheel Thanks that's helps heaps
I think this is a fair review. RallZ or Tractionator are both are good. Not much difference between the two for size 150/70-18.
Cheers. Good how they come in 17 and 18s
Love the 908RR on the rear on my 1090 but the matching front Dunlop gives me wobbles on the road.I’m still trying to find a tire as good as the TKC80 for the front. Any recommendations for a knobby good for 180-200kmh?
Mate I don't think any are 'officially' rated for 200, but the tubeless dualventure is better performing off-road than the tkc80 and still not too bad on it
I kind of agree with most of this.
There are just two issues:
A) most knobby tires are only abailable as tube types. And since many modern ADV bikes only come with TL wheels (because customers are always dissappointed if they don't, which is actually very misguided exactly for this reason), not suitable for those bikes. Only exceptions that I know of: Motoz Rallz / Desert HT and Mitas Enduro Trail XT+ (successor to the E09).
And since Motoz are very hard to find in Europe, my only option for my Tuareg is the Mitas.
B) Longevity is a double edged sword. Many tires that are famous for their good mileage (like the yellow stripes/Dakar Versions of all Mitas tires and all Motoz except for the Rallz/Desert HT) achieve that with a hard rubber compound (low silica percentage). That makes them a menace on wet roads and you should only consider them if you live in a dry climate like Australia / Africa or some sunny US states. In central Europe you should really value your safety higher than good mileage.
Of course there are also tires with good mileage AND wet grip (TKC 70, K60 Scout,...) I am just saying: don't make longevity your main priority if you expect to see rain from time to time
Good comment mate and you make some very valid points. I thought Motoz would be more prevalent in the UK and Europe, must be still getting a foot hold
I am speaking mostly from my experience here in Switzerland and neighboring countries. The only Swiss importer stopped selling Motoz last year, and I couldn't find any in Germany, France or Italy either. I tried to import some from Spain, but they delivered the wrong sizes and in TT and then went radio silent..
So I am going to stick to Mitas for a while.. they are actually pretty awesome, try them out if you can get them in AUS.
And yeah: I think that Motoz are easier to get in the UK than the rest of Europe.
@@chukku2175 that sucks, but good you can still get other good brands 👊
Just put the rally and the rallz on the 690. Good to hear as I ride seq trails. Cheers mate
Great choice! I'll let you know how the dualventure TT goes
@@onthebackwheel sweet. I nearly chose it too. But I was curious to try the pirelli first. Love your work mate. Cheers
@@craigwade8054 thanks mate. I loved the Pirelli, will definitely be using it in the future
Just don’t get a flat. Ever changed a Motoz yourself?
Last September my buddies and I did the Idaho BDR, my close friend had the moto z and i had the Anakee. At the end 2066 miles I probably had 20% till bald and he was 50%. He was on a 2023 Africa Twin and I was on a 1090 adventure r, his bike also had more luggage and the CVT so quite a bit heavier than me. The Anakees were amazing in everything even a stream with silt on the bottom. I will try the Moto z after this front tire wears out, but man are changing tires on the KTM terrible with that inner seal.
Adventure tyres are bloody hard to change!
Hopefully you can test out the tusk 2track adventure tires sometime soon, they have good reviews so far from a lot of channels.
So far we don't get Tusk into Australia. I'll keep an eye out
After trying most of the more aggressive adv tires I’ve come tot he same conclusion: scorpion race (mst) front is amazing, and the rallz works well in most condition and also outlasts most of its competition. Have to say though, I slightly prefer the michelin desert rear. But man it’s an expensive tire! My choice between those two tears would only come down to price and availability at the time as they’re both great tires.
Yeah right, yet to try that one. Price is definitely a real breaker sometimes
First video I've ever seen narrated by a buy so comfortable in his boxers!😊
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Great information. I agree with it all, except the AX41 not being good. Just because it only lasts 1500 miles doesn't mean it wasn't amazing "for a little bit." Motoz RalllZ rear 100% and the Dual Venture are great.
Cheers mate. I didn't mind the front, but if something isn't going to last I reckon you should just put a knobby on and get great grip too. I was running the tube type rear though, certainly a little different
@@onthebackwheel for sure!!!
Good coverage. Dual Venture are no better than the Adventure front they replace EXCEPT that you can flip them around to mitigate the horrendous scalloping the are prone to on heavier bikes (all adventure bikes). Motoz Adventure rear gave me 14,000kms…front Dual Venture without flipping gives you half that, with flipping you’ll get an extra 2000kms. I’ve personally run TKC80s, Trailmax Missions, STRs, K60s, and can say my Motoz Adventure rear has been the best but am still hunting for a front with off-road bite that doesn’t shake at 135kmph+ (DV and Rallz do). STRs and Trailmax Mission are good to 200kmph+ but have little dirt bite. My new 1290R (0kms) comes with AX41s and I expect them to evaporate like TKC80s.
That big 1290 might be a bit rude on tires mate 😂
Good talk 👍🏼 but hey! Do you know if it’s possible to convert these rims to accept a tubeless tire?
You can put a tubeless kit in them, people love them
@@onthebackwheel You da man! Others told me the front wheel wasn’t set up to be converted
@@iynvfy1536tubliss.com/tubliss/. Check them out. Mates run them and love them
I run Shinko 244's on my KLR and DR650, Michelin Anakee Wild on the Africa Twin. Happy with them ao far, but looking at the new Tusk 2 Track for the ATAS. Half the price of the Michelin. I run street tires on my cruiser, Metzler 888 on the Yamaha Raider. Wife says I have to many bikes, I was thinking about a T7. Go figure.
You can never have too many!
Mitas EO2
They do it all and give me 20k/mi. Used to use Heidi K60 but the center rib keeps them from hooking up in mud, sand, snow. Mitas front and back.
Had to look them up, solid looking all-rounder
If someone don't know how to choose his tire type, he mast go to the tire store, say to the supervisor how he is driving ,and the supervisor can tell you your best options and the prices.
He can explain in person , what you can and can't do with a tire ,
On you tube you can take thoughts , but you don't know how the rider drive !!!!! so it's not so objective....
for my type of driving the best is a low life soft tire and Motul 300V factory line oil.
If I'm aggressive and love fast turning driving, I have to pay for it..................
If I can have two pairs of summer and winter tires , is the best.
If I want traveling , I go with a hard tire compound .
If I am a regular everyday user ,an all round Tire can keep me satisfied.
If I go track days is another discussion..........
What about Michelin Desert
I use the Desert on the front and Dunlop 606 on the rear talking DR 650 no Michelin Desert in 17”
Yeah they are only an 18. I'd steer clear, they are an FIM tire from memory and can only have limited tread depth
Michelin desert race is am awesome tyre. Rode the Portugal ACT on it & am in Morocco currently. Covers all surfaces very well even the mountain twisted like a supermoto!
@@Brad.Atv. nice mate. They certainly perform well
Great vid. I gave you a sub Gonna try the 909 rr soon
Cheers mate. I was just speaking with the tyre shop and you can't get the 908rr in Aus anymore. Looks like the trailmax raid is replacing it
I run Anakee adventures on my CB500X, they grip far better than they should ,pretty good milage too.
Nice mate. I might be trying them next month on an AT, keen to see how they hold up
It is literally impossible to find a front tire for my bike (110/70 r17)... can I put a rare 120/90 17 as a front tire ? thank you
I wouldn't think so, that's a very different size
So far I'm a huge fan of the Tusk Dsport tires. They are a DOT legal aggressive knobby and they seem to do great on and off road on my DRZ400 and they're cheap!
There have been a few people really rating them. Sound like a really good small bike option
Good points however I definitely disagree with the Starcross very flimsy side walls. If rapid deflation occurs during a puncture then this tire can cause loss of control within a few meters. It is the total opposite of a 606 and other heavy duty fronts that can be ridden to camp flat.
Interesting, I've had one person say otherwise but I haven't had personal experience with them going flat
@@onthebackwheel not so much having it go flat it is the lack of a substantial sidewall that causes the loss of control. All tires can go flat but with this one you can loose control within meters
Thank you for this
Hope it helped
I have a Rallz on the rear of my T7, but after trying 3 different front tires I settled on the Dual Venture. A buddy of mine loves it on his bike, but when I exceed 100km/h I find it has a tendency to wobble, headed for outright tank-slappers as you continue to accelerate beyond 120. Still looking for that ultimate “dual” tire.
Hmm I haven't found that yet. How was the balance? The shop did my balance both top/bottom and side to side. I had it up to 170+ the other day and it was good
Better get it checked again then…. That is exactly what I am looking for. A tire that is good off-road that can handle those speeds on road.
@@davewatson1727 mate I was sitting on 100-140 in a rush and it was good. Sure it was no street tyre, but rock solid for a knobbie
Yeah, I am always having to steer out of a wobble as soon as I give it a good twist on pavement. Annoying as hell.
Given you guys have better luck I will challenge the shop to rebalance it.
This is solid advice if you are heavy in the dirt, and run some pavement to get there, but for somebody who runs 90% pavement and their "dirt" is just forest roads I think the 80/20s, 60/40s, etc. have a place. At least here in the USA. As I've never been to your beautiful part of the globe I take you at your word and would follow your advice!
I'm in this 90/10 category myself. I live down a mile long dirt road that is washboards, potholes, and a bit of gravel, so a pure street tire won't work for me. Every time I ride I have a minimum of 2 miles of stuff that street tires suck at, but I may not ride any other "dirt" than that 2 miles in a day. I'd much rather have a tire that can handle my road and others like it on occasion, but can also run 80 MPH (130 KPH) for a few hours on the interstate highway without vibrating, being obnoxiously loud, or disintegrating in 2000 miles (3200 km) like a knobby tire would.
I should add, I love the channel and am subbed. Really just commenting to boost interaction and try to help you grow!
Thanks mate! Sounds like you've got it sorted
I’ve been riding for 40 plus years and have found you get what you pay for. Bridgestone, Dunlop and Michelin all have served me well over the years. Avoid the cheap China tires
The Shinko's are getting a fair bit of love now days. But yes, can't skimp on tyres
Hi there! What do you think about the Michelin anakee wild?
I've only used them briefly and they didn't seem too bad
Echoes a lot of what I've experienced on the T7!
The stock "adventure" tires were really only half decent on road, and even then the pirellis smoked fast. Taking the stock pirellis offroad was......well there were better ideas that could have been taken.
I ended up with two wheel sets. One with Missions for daily riding/commuting, and the hooligan set with a Motoz DV front and adv rear. Even with the closer lugs it still tractors through mud.
The motoz I've found to be great tires overall for knobbies. Decent grip and they last fooooooreveeeer lol. 6kmi+ on a rear and it still had tread😮
The missions have kinda meh wet traction, but always surprise me how well their tread grabs offroad. Just stay away from soft muck like any other "Adv" tire.
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bro, i don't know... but i loved the AX41's... they were great....
I didn't mind the front, till it got muddy. The rear just didn't last for me though. Lots of people seem to not mind them though
I have enjoyed my Tusk brand enduro tires on my 01 KLR 650.
They get a good wrap. Shame we don't get tusk gear in Aus
@@onthebackwheel
They are aggressive but are lasting longer than I expected. Both including a front inner tube were right under $200 USD. I have about 2500 miles on them, mostly pavement, and they are not quite halfway done. They are quite loud at highway speeds but my pipe is much louder!
@@upsidedowndog1256 haha that'll do it
I was wondering, anybody run, for BMW Boxer GS, Contonental TKC80 front, Continental TKC70 ROCS rear. Make any sense for highway, and off road??
I know the 80 gets some love, not sure about the 70
do you still say mt21 frontd606 rear for the klr if i ride more ofroad ?
Certainly the best value/performance. The Pirelli rally front is better and the Motoz Rallz or adventure is pretty good too
Just saw this video after buying Pirelli Scorpion MT90s. 😮
What are your thoughts on those?
If you're doing road riding and basic dirt/gravel, they'll do the job!
Just ride them, and see for yourself! Then decides if you like them or want something with more bytes...
- as long as you adjust your expectations (and speed), stay away from the mud pit, you ought to be ok.
@@michelt4390 I think you're absolutely right. I did a jeep trail and the Mojave Desert with them with really deep sand and they did fine. I do just my riding just a little bit.
That being said, I've been through some crazy mud with them and they are lacking there. It's all about the right expectations and having the knowledge.
Have a great night!
So Mitas 07+ on the rear is a no go?
There are very good reviews on the nets for them.
They are good if you aren't doing much off-road. You're right, lots of people love them
I have them on my Pan Am, they are pretty good, not fantastic in the mud, but great on dirt and sealed roads, even in the wet, then most of my riding is commuting or road touring.
E-07+ is nearly as good as a knobby with almost 2x the life. Plus no knobby squirm on the road with the big block pattern.
I probably could agree on the front for a t7, very interested in how the motoz dual venture goes.
As for motoz on the rear, well they are ok, but on my T7 I only got 3000km at very best and it was kind of awful for half of that.
On dry hard packed dirt roads with that baby head type gravel the motoz was absolutely terrible, and quite often you would have to eat up hundreds of km on such a surface.
After about 1500km I found they are like a slick on those roads.
Best rear off road I found was the MT21, but be prepared to buy another one pretty soon, they don't last, but they are $150 so....
I'm using a pirelli rally race on the rear atm, not perfect, great on road, not bad off road, although haven't used in wet conditions, handles the aforementioned surfaces much better than the motoz, just over 2000km and still looking pretty good, might get 4000km, that'd be a record for me.
Great vid, brave man to do a tyre vid with an opinion 😂.
Keep up the good work 👍👍
Haha yep, it cops some heat. The 18 rally race rear is mean, good choice
Haha yep, it cops some heat. The 18 rally race rear is mean, good choice
Use what you like for the conditions you're in. Experiment. Personally I like certain Kenda products but for years I used Metzler then Pirelli MT16. I also used Dunlops. All had their good and bad points.
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Good point 👍
I run shinko 705 on my adventure bike. I don't do single track or mud.
Nice mate, lots of love for the 705
100% correct!
Trailmax Mission or Pirelli Rally STRs? Thank you in advance… for 70/30 (road/offroad).
Dunlops for sure. If the Pirellis are much cheaper and you get free changes or do it yourself they are a very solid tyre
You ride large, heavy dual-purpose bikes. Aggressive bite is critical on these sleds off road. Especially if you ride at any speed at all. However, if you ride small, flyweight type dual purpose - like an XT225 as I do - a more balanced 70/30 dirt/street tire can work great offroad and on road. The bike's low weight, limited power and calmer speeds means the limitations of not having full knobbies is a very reasonable compromise in exchange for decent roadability and much longer wearing tires.
Good point. I used Dunlop 605s on my klx250 and they worked quite well. Tried them on my big KLR and they were terrible!
Mitas co2 stoneking is the best all round rear tyre hands down
I hear they are great on the smaller bikes
I just switched from the Pirelli Rally STR to the Metzler Tourance Next 2. On road they are much better than the Pirelli Rally STR and on gravel up to 1" thick they perform as well as the Pirelli Rally STR. The Pirelli is better in the deeper sand and gravel up to about 2" deep. More than 2" deep and I would choose a different tire. I wish the manufacturers would rate tires by how deep of sand they perform well in instead of this stupid 70/30, 50/50 etc rating. What if your 30% off road time is in 4" deep sand? The current rating system is worthless.
💯 agree
Motoz tires. Australian tires made in Thailand 😄 The best out there...👍
Got to keep them costs down I spose
I will stick with metzler karroos i had them on my 2002 varadero 1000cc and loved them and the life i got from them on and off road in ssand and mud but also on road . I will be outfiting my new bike suzuki vstrom 1050de with karoos for my trip
Which karoos are you using bud?
@@onthebackwheel I was using karoo3s at the time . And I also used karoo streets they where more of an aggressive 70street/30off Road.
But I will be going with the karoo4s or karoo5s if they come out in time.
When I had the karoo3s on my varadero I would ride my varadero like a big trails bike and it would just hold great
@@Badlander87X I had the karoo 3 on a review bike and found they really struggled in the muddy stuff. I'm looking the look at the karoo 4 rear
@@onthebackwheel yeah I never found the had a struggle on muddy stuff I did find very light grade sand there was some annoying slippage but I had countered that with standing up with my torso more positioned towards being inline with the rear wheel helped on that problem
Thanks. Yet. For now, I will stick to my KENDA 60/40. I will keep those in mind.
Which Kenda are they mate?
@onthebackwheel 60/40. My motorcycle came with the noby. It was all over the place. Very hard to handle. Just under pressure. My doul sport is like driving a normal vehicle. DP 4.10-18 58P for the rear. Outside saying made in Taiwan. Dirt and oil on the road. I should have lost the bike. It was never a problem. To me, personally. They are scary. They are that good. As long as they are not at full pressure. Like 5lb under.
I used up 2 MT21s and 3 D606s on my wr250r. I will not buy the mt21 again. I will buy d606 rear again. The d605s on the front and rear of the xt600 I'm liking.
Interesting, why didn't you like the mt21? I've had the 605 a few times and they were ok on my small bike but not quite aggressive enough
@@onthebackwheel they wore out every other knobby while the rest were still half left. They performed awesome off road and on. They just wore funny.
@@randomlife718 yeah right. How many km and what pressure?
@@onthebackwheelI don't remember milage on my first MT21, maybe 4,000 miles. My Second made it 3600 miles at 17psi I believe. It is documented on ADV rider WRing a little".