In All Seriousness, WHERE IS SUPER MARIO ODYSSEY 2???
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Super Mario Odyssey 2 is a game that, by all rights, should already exist. So WHY DOES IT NOT
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Always bro
Also damn uploaded 7 days in advance
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Arlo, you probably are right. Indeed, to move the next system MP4 and MO2 though I would leave off the 2 and just call it "Mario Odyssey World Tour" or something since adding a sequel moniker would hurt sales on a new system while an incorporative name would do so less. Indeed, they might make it similar to MO but give it a new name entirely.
That all said, I wonder why I'm the only person Who thinks the next system will follow the original Nintendo naming convention and be called: "The Super Switch"
@ArloStuff what's the name of the song from your beginning monologue? It's beautiful!
Shoot, sorry guys, I left Super Mario Odyssey 2 in the trunk when I was unpacking groceries and it melted. My bad.
This happend to my buddy bees where he ate all the copies of Pokémon X and Y so now no one can play it sadly 😔😔
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It’s ok my man. Just don’t do it again. Especially not with galaxy 3
@aparadoxicalone This is a certified underrated comment.
I remember there being a time when I was 100% sure Odyssey would get DLC and now I'm worried we're never going to get odyssey gameplay ever again
Technically balloon world was DLC
@@runstarhomer2754 No.
Odyssey was awful. Visually it looked nice, but it was awful otherwise. 64 and Galaxy are still vastly superior.
@@ItApproaches awful how? It might be the most polished Mario game yet, and unlike Galaxy 1 it doesn't have a nasty camera bug
@@ItApproaches I personally think Odyssey is one of my favorite games of all time but you do you
One possibility that you haven't brought up: It IS coming, but they held on to any announcement or trailer up until now to avoid casting any shadow or distract from Tears of the Kingdom. It's best to have only one major title in the spotlight at a time so as to keep the public's attention focused on it.
And that's a smart business decision on nintendo's part. Keep focus on one of your biggest IP's to maximize profits instead of them combat each other for sales
It's literally how they did the switch release with BOTW - than later that year dropped Odyssey.
That was my first thought as well-they pushed (and are pushing) TOTK hard. Maybe next month a surprise direct? 👀
So when can we at least even get an announcement? I’ve been waiting for years.
@@jorgem.9690 Probably next direct. That is, if my theory is correct.
Every time I watch this channel, which I love, by the way, I can’t help but think to myself, this man really built a whole brand out of being the Cookie Monster
His name is Arlo you uncultured swine.
Right??? 😂
Grover
@@skinbhad Grover is a one arm puppet, whereas cookie monster is 2 arm. Arlo is a 2 arm puppet, so he's closer in design to cookie monster, but his head shape is more reminiscent of Grover.
@@killingmewillnotbringbacky9177neeeeeeeeeerd
On the Switch 2.
@@istealpopularnamesforlikes3340Was galaxy that revolutionary tho?
@@sonymicronin no it wasn't
Switch 2 releasing in 2055 😂
@@sonymicronin it didnt change the industry or anything, but what other platformer has done what the 2 galaxy games did?
You mean on the New Virtual Boy.
I am absolutely stunned they didn't release a new Mario game around the time the film game out and was shattering records.
True
* Stares at "Ratchet and Clank" remake and movie
History tells us much.
I'm not, honestly...It feels like they wanted the film to be the next big Mario thing, and now that it's out...well...Maybe we'll get a new game now?
Well nintendo has a good track of not using marketing opportunities to their advantage.
This aged somewhat poorly
I wasn't big on odyssey the first time I played it cause I found it to be too easy, but after a subsequent playthrough where I engaged with all the extended hat throwing mechanics it's one of my favorite games of all time and I think one of the greatest video games. I feel like it isn't as talked about as a lot of other games these days which is unfortunate, I think it's a masterpiece
Nice name dude
definitely my favorite switch game
It's MID
Yeah, easily the best Switch game. Shame it isn’t recognized as much as it should be.
Honestly, I think Bowsers Fury was like a demo for what they want to do for the next Mario game. A completely, new, open world, interconnected Mario game. Where all the worlds are connected together and all have many individual puzzles and platforming challenges just like Bowsers Fury. If that’s what they’re doing, I’m all on board
More like Bowser’s Fury but with Odyssey’s moveset would be perfect to me
Yeah I don’t even want odyssey 2. I want something like bowsers fury
I sure hope so, since the power up aspect was very fresh and exciting
This is probably the case. The main structure of odyssey was close to the other sandbox marios; open world but still split between separated "levels". It's still gonna be kinda sad for me that we probably won't see capture mechanics or the movement from odyssey again though.
I liked that game but I really hope not.
THATS WHAT IM SAYING! My cope these past few years was that it was just being held for around the Mario movie but nope, no 3d or 2d Mario in sight
I'm way more curious for a new 2D Mario given how much time has passed and what they can do if they can rebrand it and learn from their mistakes.
@@CraitMerc Same, especially if they were confident enough to give us all they did in Mario Maker 2
Better kept as a release title for the next console. It should either be that or the next Mario Kart, so they turn into a system seller
@@MeMelon A MASSIVE graphical change would be needed tho, so sick of the plastic NSMB style lmao. Would love something in the sameish vein as Puss in Boots 2
fancy seeing you here stranger
Arlo is asking the real questions out here
Odyssey is too damn good not to get a sequel or at least a spiritual successor.
I've been saying this since a year after Odyssey's release. The game is so awesome and fun and creative and there's no reason NOT to do a sequel. Its been so long and not even a hint of a sequel and it's crazy to me
Same
Exactly
Except Mario never does sequels, outside of Galaxy 2. Nintendo tends to only have one main Mario game per console and Odyssey was the Switch’s.
@@darkstorm2579 "Mario never does sequels"
The Super Mario Bros. series had five entries - 1, 2, 2USA, 3, and Super Mario World is SMB4 in Japan.
The New Super Mario Bros. series has four entries - and if you want to get nit-picky, 1 and 2 can be treated as their own thing and Wii and U can be treated as their own thing.
*Mind you* , you could say "3D Mario never does sequels outside of Galaxy 2" and your argument would be more correct, but even there, SM3DW is basically the NSMBW to SM3DL's NSMBDS.
@@Rot8erConeX Funny that outside of the Super Mario Bros games, which were on the NES and SNES (and maybe the 64), which are all really old games. Outside of 3D World and Galaxy 2, none of the mainline Mario games have gotten sequels. Kinda proving my point that Mario doesn't do sequels, especially in the modern era. I'm sick and tired of people saying that there will be an Odyssey 2. At this point in the Switch's life, we would have heard SOMETHING about it if it was real. But no. All we've gotten is dead silence.
THANK YOU! This is the longest it’s been since an actual new 3D Mario. I was in 7th grade when Mario odyssey came out. Now I’m graduating high school next week. I wanna play some new real Mario.
I've never felt more old. Thank you.
Uh bowser’s fury came out like 2 years ago
Dude wth that’s the exact same for me. Like exact same. Congrats on graduating for you too I guess!
@@senatorarmstrong1233 that’s was a really small 6 hr game
I was a Junior in High School when Mario Odyssey came out I'm 23 right now a adult this comment makes me feel as old as a Redead.
I think one of the other things to consider is Miyamoto himself. The man has been reported to deny or delay games himself if they don't have that certain gimmick or feel that he is looking for. That's the biggest reason why we've never had another F-Zero game and why Star Fox Zero was the way it was. His stubbornness with games always having to have their own thing I think is both good and bad. Good that we tend to get quality games, but bad in that sometimes we wait forever for something to finally come out.
Exactly.
Miyamoto doesn't even really work a lot in games anymore. I'm pretty sure that he was fully concentrated on the Mario movie and the amusement park (Super Nintendo World).
Yeah
miyamoto’s 71, i seriously doubt he’s still heavily involved
I don't think this has been the case for about 5 years now.
Odyssey was a fantastic game. The only thing I missed was a hub world where you enter the levels like the castle in Mario 64 and Sunshine. I love being able to have a home world to come back to and get familiar with.
i think it really fits the tourist/travel aspect of odyssey not to have one. The odyssey works as one and although i see why you miss it, the odyssey gets filled with a lot of things that imo make it really cool and iconic that it doesn't have one! Fits the vibe yk?
I kinda liked that the Odyssey was sort of that familiar home. Sure, it was just one small room, but it kinda gave me comfort knowing that somewhere in this grand new unfamiliar place, whether it be a desert or a city, there was just one room you could call home. And only after all of that craziness was over, you got to go back to Peach’s castle, which gave you the feeling of coming back home after a long and exhausting but fun trip
@@eliben4066 The Odyssey was just too small. I like when the hub is explorable and you open different areas as the game progresses.
@@eliben4066 Exactly! I loved it!
My personal assumption is just that the next 3D Mario will not be an Odyssey sequel, which I kinda always figured. I never really expected an Odyssey 2. The story wraps itself up nicely and the major 3D Marios essentially NEVER get sequels. Yes, we got Galaxy 2, but 64, Sunshine and 3D World all skipped out on sequels. And Galaxy 2 only happened because Miyamoto approached the staff with the idea about it, not from Koizumi (who produced or directed every major 3D Mario after 64).
I think this is the most likely possibility. I think Nintendo are working on a new Mario game, that's still coming to the switch. If it's still coming on the switch, they'll probably announce it next month, for a release date of late this year or early next year. If not, then it's coming for the next console.
Let's not forget about the Mario movie! A game releasing around the same time might've stolen its spotlight.
bro, 3D World is a sequel itself
Mario games never cared about continuity or story
theres also that cancelled mario64 sequel for the dd
Well, on that same vein, Zelda main games did never get sequels until BotW, which was a redefinition of Zelda the same way Odyssey was a redefinition of Mario. I think we will get Odyssey 2 on 2024/2025 with the next-gen console
It’s so weird to me that they’re not capitalizing on the Mario Movie by selling a game. Like, it doesn’t have to be a tie-in, just any new mainline Mario would make so much sense, and it would sell like hotcakes. I think if we don’t hear of the next game by the end of this year, it’s definitely safe to say that they’re saving it for the next console
Who exactly is this going to sell the game to?
If you own the Switch, care for the movie, and care enough for a Mario game you'd likely get it regardless or buy one already out. The Switch is relatively speaking old and isn't a good investment at this point compared to a whole new system unless Nintendo drags their feet.
Nintendo sometimes do and don't like money
They have plenty of existing 'evergreen' mario games on the Switch that probably saw significant sales spikes since the movie. Zelda is enough to carry the Switch along for this year. They should save SMO2 for a launch game on Switch 2 to show off the new hardware
Making a game and making a movie are both very difficult and take several years. You don't know how long it's going to take when you start, and even a few months before release you may decide you have to delay it. There are also considerations like picking a good launch window with little competition. Releasing two such products at nearly the same time would cause a lot of issues.
@@ChicagoBulls1984 They are not making SMO2, why do they want to announce a sequel of previous console game for a new console, the Wii U launched with NSMBU and it flopped. Unless they really don’t want to go with the blue ocean strategy and focus on a high-powered switch sequel for the fans, it would not make sense as a launch.
I think it's being saved as the first big game for the next system. It makes a lot sense if you ask me. Despite the lack of games at the moment, the Mario franchise itself is keeping itself very relevant with the movie, while in the meantime, they save a killer app for their next system.
I'd also bet a new 2d Mario is in the works. I can possibly see the 2d Mario being on Switch and maybe even cross-gen.
I feel like it could be possible for a galaxy 2 port to switch just to keep fans happy until the next system
In my dream scenario, Nintendo would launch their Switch successor with a "Definitive Edition" Tears of the Kingdom, a sequel to Metroid Dread, and a new 3D World-style Mario game.
@@royceturner9522 That would be a real slap in the face after they left it out of 3D All Stars. Imagine if they tried to charge for a Galaxy 2 port that could have just been included in that collection for no additional cost
@@adrianpadin1840 they already had the balls to charge $60 for very old games running at a higher resolution *for a artificially limited period of time,* i doubt they would have a very big moral quandary over reselling galaxy 2 standalone lol
@@uglybad4 I think they would resell the game on 3D all-stars and galaxy 2 with $20 each.
Actually, in an interview about the Mario movie, Miyamoto was asked a question about the next Mario game and he said to keep an eye out for future Nintendo directs. And then he chuckled.
My gamer senses are tingling
Hmmmmmm
New Doctor Mario.
well we know what it is now
@@kolvis6626 YESSS AND IT'S SO HECKING COOL
And the fact that the switch was so successful and they're gonna have to work very hard to justify the buying the new one, really lends plausibility to your theory on the lack of reveals.
I had a theory about this a while back. I believe that Bowser's Fury was, at some point in time, the next 3D Mario game after Odyssey. Then, sometime during development, the team decided that for whatever reason it wasn't going to work as a full game. So they decided to take what they made, turn it into Bowser's Fury, and sell it alongside the 3D World port. After that, development on the next 3D Mario game basically restarted, which is why we haven't heard anything yet.
Or... They did Bowser's Fury as a tech demo/exercise on a true open world mario and decided to sell it anyway.
I’m tempted to believe this, but Bowser’s Fury directly uses 3DW’s engine and mechanics. I don’t think they would have gone that route if it was planned to be its own game, and I especially don’t think they would have scrapped and restarted development on it just to make it use that engine. Also, with the way the game is structured and the whole fury bowser mechanic, I feel like it should have been pretty obvious from the start that it wouldn’t work as a full game (and this is coming from a massive Bowser’s Fury fan).
Bowsers Fury uses so much of 3D World that I find it very hard that this was the case. It would seems more plausible if they used Odyssey’s base as a way of prototyping an open world game rather than 3D World. Bowsers Fury seems like it was intentionally made as an add on to 3D World and an opportunity to experiment.
@@david_03.13 in retrospect I think you're right.
@@seraph4581 I actually believe your theory more. After Zelda's success, I have a feeling that they want to attempt an open world mario in a similar vein to Bowser's Fury.
Although, my theory is that Bowser's Fury wasn't so much a tech demo but rather they wanted to see people's reactions to an open world mario before deciding if that's what they should do.
I can only assume it's taking this long because, like with the gap between 3d world and odyssey, they're cooking up something big. I hope.
That was only four years. This is nearly six years, so it better be MASSIVE!
Galaxy was the only 3D Mario to get a sequel. I think Nintendo decided that every new console needs a big Mario game at launch, so they drag it out.
@@mariobroultimate1808 Yeah! I bet it is! I bet it’s going to be very massive indeed too!
The gap between 3D World and Odyssey wasn't an abnormal gap, that was pretty standard. Only a little bit longer than the gap between Galaxy 1 and 2.
@@legoboy7107 I'd say 3 years 11 months is notably longer than 2.5 years. A year before 3d world was mario U (and new smb2), a year before that was 3d land, a year before that was galaxy 2, a year before that was mario wii. They used to crank out main-series games pretty rapidly, unless you only count the 3d games as main series after 64.
Iove when you make these videos because shortly after the games usually get announced! Its like you're magic 🎉
I did not know about the Twilight Princess 2 thing.
That makes me sad about lost potential 😢
9:13 Arlo's constant deadpan expression has never felt more powerful and emotional than this
Don’t worry, it’ll still come out before silksong
I think Bowser’s Fury was what they were working on, and that was basically a test for what the next Mario game will be. It will likely be an original game with open world elements
Finally, and Arlo recommends I actually agree with. Soundfont swaps/high quality rips/fusion collabs go hard
Since bowsers fury continued to show off how good an open world can be, I could assume that the next game will have one giant world and could introduce some mechanics related to the new world
I would sure hope so. Also it’s amazing how bowser’s fury was
Open world + Mario gameplay with Powerups
Making all your games open world is NOT a good thing. There are A LOT of fans who do NOT like open world games, they all start feeling samey.
@@ItApproaches I agree not everything has to be open world. I for one really enjoy the way mario odyssey was setup
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Idk. I feel like every time Nintendo incorporates an open world, it works! They put a ton of work and passion into their game worlds, so it feels special. I think that no matter what direction they go in, it'll be great! Including the open world direction!
@It Approaches that's the one thing Metroid does best. It separates its 2D and 3D. Zelda is only putting out open world. Mario is getting bigger and taking longer. I miss the Wii/DS Era where we got a platformer and still had the New Super Mario Bros to give the 2D experience. I miss when we had a nice variety every few years instead of big waits for one or another.
I'm almost certain we'll get _Super Mario Odyssey 2_ whenever the Switch's next of kin drops, probably within the next 18 months or so, and hopefully as a launch title. One can only hope.
Yeah totk was originally supposed to come out around 2021/2022 I believe, so I could see Nintendo scheduling a new console release a few years after that, 2024 or later (assuming it’s one of the last major first party releases for the system). So maybe we’ll get it in a few years? Or maybe they’ll pull a game boy and support the system for some 10 years and we get the next game in 2027
Maybe Odyssey 2 will be a launch title for the next system AND be the final first party game for the Switch?
Why do we have to keep using previous titles. Super Mario “Something Else” would be preferable.
It's been to long and Nintendo is targeted towards kids and Mario Odyssey is no longer as relevant as it used to be so there's no point on them banking on a sequel
@@Lord_Vadr it’s just that odyssey could be expanded even more and so much more could have been done. But if we just get a new 3D Mario game, I would be fine with it
The reward for finding every korok in Tears of the Kingdom is a copy of Super Mario Odyssey 2
I feel confident about the big reason: Bowser’s Fury. Not the development of Bowser’s Fury itself, but the potential of the gameplay style it uses. I feel that Mr. Koizumi’s team used Bowser’s Fury as a proof of concept for what an open Mario game could be like, and so they decided to change course from a potential Odyssey follow-up to an expansion of the format introduced in Bowser’s Fury.
Hearing Arlo say the words “Radiohead’s In Rainbows” and “Boards of Canada’s Roygbiv” is the crossover I never knew I needed
Same. Clearly a puppet of taste.
also the fact you can see references to aphex twin, beach house and death grips is pretty wild too
Yes, Past Arlo. Tears of the Kingdom is INCREDIBLE.
Was literally talking about this to my girlfriend yesterday. It’s crazy how long it’s been since main line Mario game.
The story of Twilight Princess getting Crossbow Training instead of a sequel really irritates me to this day, and cements why my love (but not respect) for Miyamoto has dwindled over the years.
it’s also worth noting that it’s been 10 years since the last new 2D mario. they could give us odyssey 2 on switch and still have a new 2D game for the next console’s launch
Tbh it’s really hard to market 2d Mario to the target demographic nowadays
Technically Mario Maker 2 had a whole campaign mode. That plus the fact that people make new courses for the game everyday probably make Nintendo think a New Super Mario Bros. would be redundant.
I didn't know Mario Maker 2 came out ten years ago
@@boopityb00p Metroid dread sold millions and it’s no where near as popular as Mario. A new 2d Mario would make alot of money
@@boopityb00p I don't think so Mario maker is the new formula. It comes with its own campaign mode which plays like traditional 2d and then gives limitless play after it's over. It doesn't sell like 3d Mario but it's still very successful and plenty of people will buy another
It's 100% gonna be a launch title for the next system
Also the launch tittle could be the rumoured Mario kart 9.... Who knows 👌
I don’t know cause Miyamoto said that look out for the next direct for the new Mario game
@@carlosj.hernandezr.2872 I wish.. but the deluxe course pass makes me think otherwise
Great video! Just a small note, but in regards to Super Mario Galaxy 2, only Miyamoto really wanted to make more Galaxy content. Galaxy 2 went through development hell and many devs were said to have struggled mentally during that time. It's likely that Odyssey 2 is not going to be a thing unless the whole team is on board so as not to have a repeat problem. My thought is that a totally new Mario game is coming with aspects of Odyssey and Bowser's Fury in it.
Super Mario Odyssey's all-time sales really puts TotK's 3-day sales into perspective.
That Doug Bowser line was a zinger. There's no way you got that first take! Thinking about that makes me laugh. Keep up the good work. Your effort shines through in spades.
The closest we got to a Super Mario Odyssey 2 was Bowser's Fury. But I really want a sequel.
At least we got Bowser's Fury, that game is a strong step forward for Mario
Yeah the 3D World controls really hurt that game's ability to be seen as any kind of Odyssey follow up.
@@danielarputharaj9918 Agreed
Bowser's Fury is very good but too short - we need a full serving :P
@@danielarputharaj9918 felt more like a side step to me
Didn’t Miyamoto tell us to stay tuned for the next Direct for Mario news during one of the Mario movie interviews?
Cross your fingers 🤞🏻
That's generic PR speak that doesn't point to anything one way or another, that doesn't necessarily mean an announcement is coming soon.
Mario is very slowly going the route of Sonic. Divided fanbase as a result of making multiple different gameplay styles in one series.
I think this idea fits very well with your Metroid prime 4 idea. Now that Zelda is out on switch it might be half way into the switch 2’s life span that we get the next new Zelda. Having Metroid be a first year launch might be able to fill that gap as a big first party adventure game to go along side Mario as first year/ launch titles!
Definitely gonna be a launch game for next generation
1:36 When you said roygbiv my mind immediately went to that roygbiv is a colorful man song that I listened to forever ago
My theory has always been that Bowser’s Fury started life as Mario Sunshine themed Odyssey DLC (thus all the water and Bowser Jr.) and morphed into something bigger that made Nintendo decide to pivot and go with a 3D World theme instead.
Nah, the level design is so cubic that it had to be 3DWorld-themed from the start, and all the mechanics are also from 3DWorld or at least work in tandem with them
Nope, the only thing why Bowser‘s Fury exist is that they didn‘t want people think they spend 60 bucks for a cheap Wii U port game.
Seriously, what world do we live in where we get a ZELDA sequel before MARIO?! 😳
Yeah, like FOR REAL!
BOTW is an excellent game but it is not a Switch game, it was conceived under the idea of WiiU.
The same thing happened on Wii, we had a TP that came from GCN and then an SS.
N64 and Gamecube would like a word
I mean SMO came out after BOTW
Also zelda games have traditionally come out pretty quickly, MM was two years after OOT, WW was another two years after that, and it was 4 and 3 years to the next two games. They were coming out rapidly in the early 2000s
That question lives rent free in my head every single day. Odyssey's my favourite video game, and it brought so many fresh ideas and concepts to the franchise, so I'd kill for a sequel.
It’ll never happen though. Outside the Galaxy games, Mario doesn’t do sequels.
@@darkstorm2579 On the contrary, because Galaxy got a sequel, another 3D Mario getting a sequel isn't impossible.
Also, 3D Land got a sequel; it's called 3D World.
@@shareef3.14 Those are exceptions, not the rule.
@@darkstorm2579 But it's not a hard and fast rule.
@@shareef3.14 Those games are still exceptions. Face it, if we were getting Odyssey 2, we would have heard something about it by now.
Honestly, I feel like a lot of people forget that while Galaxy and 3D Land got direct continuations, they also did do a remake of 64 on the DS with a decent bit of new content, which means that out of all 5 of the non-direct succesor 3D Mario's, which would be 64, Sunshine, Galaxy, 3D Land and Odyssey, that's 3 out of 5 where they've done some kind of revisit, and that's not's even counting Bowsers Fury, which heavily used 3D World assets. It might not seem like much, but it does increase the likely hood a fair bit that Odyssey 2 could be a thing, on top of the insane potential it has.
It'll likely come out as a launch title for the "Switch 2". They'll need a big launch game, and there's no other bigger title they could have than a new Mario game for their brand-new system. Not just that, but there would be a "2" in the title, which would work nicely for a "Switch 2".
I don't think Bowser's Fury significantly cuts into their time frame considering that the same 3D Mario team made Captain Toad for the Wii U as well, and that was a much bigger game than Bowser's Fury.
You'd think with the movie's success they'd have a game in the works to capitalize on it.
I think we could possibly get a 2D Mario game this Holiday, but I don't think its proximity to the Mario Movie was ever considered.
One of the few things Sega was decently smart about
Super Mario Odyssey is one of the most breathtaking games I've ever played. The design of each world is so unique and pretty to look at, and the sense of intrigue as you explore every nook and cranny to find all the moons is exactly what I was hoping the (at the time) newest 3D Mario game would be. Every year I look forward to the next 3D Mario game. Bowser's Fury was not enough to satiate me.
To be fair, we DID get a second & THIRD odyssey-like journey with Mario earlier this year...
...in the cinema & in Universal Studios. ;)
With a library of games and IPs as large as Nintendo’s, I think it’s safe to say it’s that with every wild breath we receive from them, their kingdom will never be without tears.
Pure poetry.
Socrates has nothing on this.
This is true Philosophy!
Zeldy
Beautiful poetry at its finest. Pure gold.
Beautiful. I cried tears of the kingdom.
My guess is they are making an open world mario oddesy 2. I mean open world is the next big leap for mario, and having a shiny new open world game to launch with your console works wonders. And that could also be why it took so long.
If the next Mario game is open world, then isn't Mario Odyssey 2, its a totally new game.
@@wogardrodriguez2671 it would definitely be as big a step up as mario oddesy, but I don't want them to throw away the new hat mechanics especially as it would work perfectly in an open world setting.
@@danielgrezda3339 I think the next game will be bigger than a direct sequel to Odyssey could ever be, if it's the "BotW" of the franchise then I think it will have a new name so people don't think that "Oh, its just MORE Odyssey and that's it".
@@wogardrodriguez2671 I did say it would be a big step up, and it would probably be a big as botw or even totk. I just want them to keep the hat mechanics as it would be perfect in an open world setting.
i remember you talking about ambient music in your BotW review, and it's really sweet to see you talk about BoC here
If we don't count Bowser's Fury (not a full game) or Mario Maker 2 (not exactly a standard game, either), this is the second longest gap between Super Mario platformers since the series started in 1985, and it will become the longest in November, which we're almost certain to reach because we don't even have a game announcement right now.
Speaking of announcements, it occurred to me that they might not have wanted to announce a new Mario game in the runup to Tears of the Kingdom and steal its thunder, so who knows, maybe we'll have a sudden announcement of a holiday '23 Mario title after TotK has had some breathing room.
Yeah I’ve been wondering this for a while too. Zelda always has and always will be my favorite game franchise so waiting and speculating on TOTK has kept me busy these past years but I am shocked they haven’t even announced the next 3D Mario game. I think because there are so many Mario spin off games coming out all the time the wait feels shorter than for Zelda but it’s still been way too long. Hopefully they’ll announce something soon.
My belief is that the rumours of a new 3D Donkey Kong Game made by the Mario Odyssey team were true, however. The team was split in two, one would develop Odyssey 2 and the Other would make a new Donkey Kong game. One, most likely both took longer than expected so they’re going to be dual releases like Breath of the Wild.
I think part of the problem is that botw was released on the Wii U and ported to the switch where it exploded in popularity. Mario odyssey was released on the switch exclusively, so assuming a similar dev time to totk, it would come out later, and this late it’s probably best to save it for switch 2 or whatever comes next.
My vote is on the third possibility. With how Miyamoto is gameplay innovation first, seeing the lack of games like a new sequel in the F-Zero series due to lack of new ideas besides "more racing". I agree fans would buy, similar to how fans have for years with Pokemon, but I feel Miyamoto tries to keep some of his series under key and chain so each game is trying to be unique and special.
A mix of Odyssey and Galaxy would be THE game
I really hope it is being held back for Switch 2, not just because “where the heck is it otherwise”, but because when you launch a new system you absolutely need heavy hitters to sell systems right at the start.
I am sad that my parents don't have money to get Tears Of The Kingdom, but when we do, I am gonna play the HELL out of it
You could do some side jobs this summer and help them out with the money. Would likely make the game even better for you if you helped pay for it.
Don't make my mistake with Odyssey and watch too many lets plays, spoiling the game and making it underwhelming to actually play.
I just got it today. An I like it..
if your switch is old enough, hack it and pirate totk
My theory is that Miyamoto was so involved in the movie that he was just too busy and didn’t want anyone doing it without him
Miyamoto is barely involved with development of the games these days. He just oversees them.
0% chance that this is the explanation. And I guarantee that they've already been working on the new Mario game. Just because we haven't heard anything yet doesn't mean it isn't being worked on. It definitely is.
@@MarkHogan994 Yeah. And like I said, Miyamoto is barely involved with the game development these days.
I'm thinking the reason why we haven't heard anything about a Super Mario Odyssey sequel is because the Super Mario Bros movie was such a huge endeavor that they wanted to solely focus on it. I don't think a lot of people really realize how big of a project that movie is. Not to mention tears of the Kingdom was also releasing this year, which is possibly the most anticipated game of the switches entire life cycle since breath of the Wild was released. I don't think that an announcement for Super Mario Odyssey would have overshadowed the release of tears of the Kingdom, but I think that tears of the kingdom would definitely have overshadowed the hype for a Mario Odyssey sequel.
Don't think I've ever commented on your channel before but I love your videos. I spend way too much time watching a dude puppet a scrawny Cookie Monster and I don't regret it at all. Also, my dogs name is Arlo but that's after the folk singer.
The fact that they haven’t even announced it yet is a bigger crime than them taking 6 years to release TOtK
Because it doesn’t exist.
I just beat this the main story of this game for the first time and enjoyed it!
Honestly if you choose to go for most or all of the moons and collectibles there’s a lot of content in the game.
That being said, I am genuinely surprised that there has not been a new platforming Mario game on the Switch since the console came out.
Edit: Bowser’s Fury was great too!
Thanks for reminding me that I should get back into Mario Odyssey. I played for 15 or 20 hours when it first came out and landed in New Donk City, then I got busy with other games and then covid19 happened (which actually made me busier with work). I never went back and finished it. For that matter I never played either of the Mario Galaxy games other than barely starting the first one, and I have both of them. And I've only played a few hours of 3D World + Bowser's Fury... Man, I have a ton of Mario to catch up on (too busy with Zelda games).
Not only what Arlo mentioned could be true but both Mario and Metroid Prime are so drastically different it helps Nintendo see how far they can take the new hardware. Metroid will push it to its utmost limits, while Mario tests every little inch with its platforming
My theory, its been in development hell. Miyamoto isn't happy with it, and isn't willing to release it until he's happy with it. At some point he may (or may have already) can it all together and just take whatever concepts he felt did work in its current build, and start from scratch making use of them in the Switch 2 launch game. But I think if they had a game they liked we'd, if not have it by now, at least have some details about it by now like we did with Tears of the Kingdom, and its unlikely they didn't start working on something after Odyssey, so whether its finally in a good state but they're holding it back for Switch 2, or its still not in a state he's happy with, it just makes the most sense that whatever they worked on just hasn't been good enough to meet Miyamoto's quality standards, and they weren't even willing to talk about it until it reached that threshold.
Miyamoto doesn't even really work a lot in games anymore. I'm pretty sure that he was fully concentrated on the Mario movie and the amusement park (Super Nintendo World).
@@Terranigma23 While I think its likely thats true, I also think its likely he still has new features in Mario games run by him and has to at least give approval on new Mario games during each stage of their development cycle.
So maybe he's not directly involved in the development anymore, but if he doesn't like what the development team has put together or where they're headed, the developers have to go back to the drawing board, they can't just keep moving forward with something he doesn't think works.
I doubt development hell and rather development shift, Miyamoto won’t stop the releasing of odyssey 2 if the team is making a good game. I think they have a couple of idea of odyssey DLC and decided to expand there, but realise the idea is not that related to odyssey so they decided to make a brand new game, they wanted the new areas to be connected and open world but it no longer fit in odyssey’s world travelling theme. They may also tried to make a new champion character and it doesn’t fit odyssey. They may also go back to the single theme of sunshine and had a single theme they want to expanded. Therefore, they ‘cancelled’ odyssey DLC and put all the ideas into a brand new project. I would predict this happened at 2020 as bowser’s fury needs probably a year to develop. Open world games have been traditional long to develop, look at the new donkey Kong which started development probably at 2017, Zelda BotW and TotK took 6 years of development(2011-2017, 2017-2023) Pokémon is rushed we can tell so I would think it’s too late to launch with new console and a new linear galaxy game will be the launch game.
My heart aches for this, and also for a TTYD remaster.
Me too
What is it with people's obsession with remasters, especially for games that don't need them. Do you just mean you want TTYD on the Switch?
@@renaterrier935 Remaster, port, whatever. I just want it on Switch.
@@renaterrier935 a simple HD remaster on the switch would be great. There is a HD mod for the pc rom and it looks way better than the original one. Also it would be great so a lot of people would see what a real paper mario is. It would be a switch mario game, so a lot of people would play it and love it.
@@renaterrier935 Gamecube games are a lot pricy these days. Also this game aged really well, so why not. 😁
i love your humour so much. always puts a smile after a bad day
Interesting that on N64 we got 1 mario and 2 Zeldas, and it's happened again. I wish the more nonlinear nature of the world in Bowser's Fury would be made into a full game and combine with some of what Odessy did with it's mechanics, and story/set pieces. You'd have to do something different than timed attacks from the same boss if it was longer than Bowser's Fury though.
I love every 3D Mario game to death, but it confounds me that there are real, sentient human beings who think Odyssey is a bad game while Sunshine is a masterpiece.
Arlo you always make me laugh thank you so much and this has definitely been one of my favourite videos
*checks under rock*
Mario Odyssey 2: Ya-ha-ha! You found me!
I love watching Arlo when I'm having my meals
My hopes for odyssey 2, if it exists, are that they will combine odyssey and bowser’s fury and have cappy combined with powerup. It will be revealed this summer and release in the early winter.
I think this all the time. I'm happy for zelda fans, but I never was a zelda fan personally. I was always jealous they got a sequel. I loved odyssey and grinded it till I 100% it. I've always hoped for a second one. More captures, more kingdoms, that's it, I just want more!
I'd love for a sequel to have kingdoms tap into other Nintendo franchises. A Donkey Kong Kingdom, a Kirby Kingdom, a Zelda Kingdom. At the very least a world themed after it and not necessarily ACTUALLY IT.
I'd also love a Galaxy Kingdom, a Sunshine Kingdom, a Paper Kingdom where much of it is themed after those games.
@@jonathanblaqk this is amazing and probably one of if not THE coolest idea I’ve ever heard! I almost hate that I heard it because now I want that sooooo badly!
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I was half hoping that something like it was a part of the game since much of the "post game" is like the never ending ending in Lord of the Rings. Aka. it just keeps coming.
I was thinking since we got Mushroom Kingdom wouldn't it be rad if there were something from a other game or franchise?
@Jonathan Blaqk that is such a mind blowing premise and honestly takes the thrill of the original smash and applies it to a mario game, it's seems so fitting!
No joke, I had a dream where Nintendo announced Super Mario Adventure the day after this video, and you immediately screamed "YOU'RE WELCOME!" and analyzed it. I forget exactly what it was like. I think it was more broken-up worlds connected by paintings, with some of Galaxy's planetoids.
back to the beginning real quick, pgom made the entire deftoness - white pony album in sm64 soundfont, which is my favorite album of all time
My theory was that Nintendo would announce it as an end credit sequence in the mario movie, but sadly that never happened even though it would have generated so, so much hype for the movie and the game.
That was an ignorant theory to begin with because anyone who cares about movies as art would hate that so much and it would tarnish the movie's image as just an advertisement for Mario.
@@lukeshioshio i cant, disagree more, the movie from a cinematic point of veiw was not all that great, the characters where very one dimensional, the plot was rather boring, there was very little in terms of character development. The movie already had nintendo trailers before, and the folk who enjoyed it where mario fans and kids, not the general film going audience, if they put an end credit sequence as a trailer for a new 3d mario game the folk who stayed to see it would be long term mario fans and not the film audience
If you see it as too slimey for nintendo just remembered that one movie the wizard. And lastly if not a advertisement for the mario brand what else is it?
They would never announce a game in a movie.
@@tofer1000 the fact that you disagree means nothing tbh, objectively it's not a decision that any filmmaker would ever make, and the people who made the Mario movie are actually artists, unlike you
7:00 saying Super Mario Odyssey alienated a large amount of Mario fans is a bit of a reach. I remember the game being extremely well loved, and it didn't stray at all from the Mario formula, so I'm not sure where Arlo is getting this from. Only complaint I saw (and had myself) was that there were some forced motion controls that meant you couldn't do some things as easily in handheld mode.
New 3D Donkey Kong by the Odyssey team for the Switch's successor is my hairbrained idea. This coming from the rumor from a year or two ago. It was more about the Odyssey team working on a new 3D Donkey Kong than it being in the Switch's successor.
Which could be a thing as Donkey Kong Jungle Beat was developed by, Nintendo EAD, as they were called then. They then made Galaxy afterwards.
Personally Id love it if Nintendo said at there next big huge gaming news event "We know our fans have been eagerly waiting for a sequel to one of our biggest 3d mario games for years now, thats why we are proud and exited to announce, Super mario galaxy 3!" No one would see it coming.
It’s likely going to be a launch title for Nintendo’s next console
I'd rather it be something new entirely.
Or Metroid Prime 4.
@@alexh7513 We're talking about MARIO games. Not Nintendo in general.
Hot take: I'm actually kinda glad there may not be an Odyssey 2. After the REALLY short story it just turns into endless postgame moon grinding for the cheapest reward possible (just an in-engine 5-second firework cutscene). Oh, and the final boss is literally 1 phase of a Bowser fight and then just a moon rock that doesn't do anything.
Odyssey 2 could fix that tho? That’s the whole point of sequels, fixing what needed to be fixed and adding new shit while still having what made the original great. You can’t deny that the controls are worth making another game around.
@@geschnitztekiste4111 Yeah, but still... At that point the sequel will essentially be what Odyssey should've been had more effort been put into it and not felt unfinished.
Odyssey 2 not existing (yet) is an absolute crime.
Regardless of how any given person thought of it, whether you loved it to bits or you just couldn’t vibe with it, Odyssey has a stupidly strong foundation that basically NEEDS to be expanded upon. Like you said if we didn’t get a Galaxy 2, it would be doing Galaxy a massive disservice to just leave it by itself.
For the same to potentially happen my favorite game of all time is… upsetting, to say the least.
Galaxy 2 was the exception, not the rule. Mario doesn’t do sequels and that at this point in the Switch’s life, Nintendo is better off making a totally new Mario game instead of a direct sequel.
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Don’t mind me. Just saving this for future views. This line alone is worth coming back to this video.
The 3D Mario core team (EPD Tokyo) is only responsible for the conceptualization of Bowser's Fury. The production of most of it was handled by the American dev team of Nintendo, NST. Considering this, they have started developing the next 3D Mario way before Bowser's Fury ever released. There's also to consider Mario's taking as much time as Zelda did, and thus could be a title for the latter half of this year. However, it could also be taking so long because it's an open world title like Bowser's Fury or/and a launch title for the next system.
Arlo, with the next system not far away, it makes sense that the next 3D Mario (being system sellers) would be a launch title.
Considering that i wouldn't even expect an Odyssey sequel, maybe they'll go a new route who really knows
WHAT
WE COULD'VE HAD A TWILIGHT PRINCESS 2!!!!
Man, I would've loved a TP 2. I love TP.
The complete entire time I was playing Super Mario Odyssey, I felt in my mind that it was a swan song for the Mario series. They threw everything in that game. Every reference ever! More than the Super Mario Bros movie.
There was a reference to every freaking game even Dr Mario, Mario kart and Donkey Kong. Pauline and Peach we're in the same room. They let you play as Bowser and even..... I almost shed tears when they'd allows you to become 2D Bowser with Peach on your back 🥲.
I was so happy and smiling the entire time I played that game because it was so awesome. I don't know how they can top it and they're probably out of ideas.
I completely agree, where the heck is the game?!
I 100% Odyssey, I'll be more then happy if we'll get Odyssey 2 or smth similar soon
I’m one of the people who Odyssey “didn’t quite do it for” one of the reasons I’ve been GREATLY anticipating a sequel or some kind of new Mario game.
Honestly, I found the game quite disappointing. If Nintendo were to make a sequel to Super Mario Odyssey, they'll haft to change a lot of things from its predecessor
I thought Odeysee was ard it didn't knock my socks off. I did like the graphics tho...
Glad to know arlo is also obsessed with soundfont songs lol