Here's a quick tip for ya. When mounting ANY big bike, either tall or weighty (works even with the 2.3 triumph) First turn the forks towards the side stand, this alters the seat height by upto 50mm honest. Mount the bike by standing either on the side stand flick or the foot peg and swing your leg over and immediately turn the forks (whilst on its stand) straight ahead with your right leg outstretched. This stops the bike overbalancing to the side stand side. Then put your left foot on the ground your right foot on the right foot peg and then swing the forks/bars to the right. Gently push on the right foot peg and straighten your left leg and the bike effortlessly stands upright. Once upright straighten forks to maintain balance. This works really well when heavily laden and with a pillion and takes the load off of your shoulders or any dicky hips joints etc... Its a matter of lever principles 🤔😊👍
I have rolled off my center stand while seated with EVERY bike I have ever owned and never in all my 42 years of riding had an issue with it wearing out or have it collapse or had any other of the horror stories that you may have heard of happening. Keep it well maintained and you never will! Good maintainance , as with all things bike, is key!
May have gone for this but bought a Himalayan with panniers £4700 and must admit its superb, I ride every day and tour but this maybe a future contender
Great video and good banter, this will age well, and also good job on your bike reviews, other channels just tell people about Ducati, BMW, etc and nothing smaller that one could use
Great video as always.. Looks a tidy bit of kit . But sorry to say this review came 6 weeks too late for me, I've just bought a second hand Vstrom 650 paying much more than the cost of the Sinnis. I would have definitely have considered the 380. It makes the Strom look soooo outdated ☹️☹️
Looks really good that bike! I think in Portugal it's called the Vortex RX3S, at least the same engine and headlight but the vortex comes with spoked wheels and not a droopy exhaust.
Well 4599 same 37hp and less 30kg ill take the zontes t310 any day as i don't need boxes or extra weight thanks great review helped me choose the zontes.
pre ordered my sinnis 380, been biking for over 40 years, first real bike a silver kawazaki z250 scorpion, my last bike is a silver 380. im 5 foot 8 and it is a funny swing to mount it, plus the dash and front of the bike is constantly straight ahead as i turn, i cant see my front wheel , i dont fancy this on off road on narrow tracks
Looks very good but your thing about changing a sprocket to alter the gearing is flawed. The gearing is set within the gearbox a different sprocket will just raise ( or lower) depending on the sprocket, all of the gears. So 3rd, 4th and 5th will still be the same relative to each other just higher or lower. Or am I missing something?
These two are a real comedy duo...that's one of the best reviews I've seen them do...even more comedy for your next one if you please...more hand gestures from behind....
@@bleepfakes Same as the 125s then :-( 4000 miles is just too short these days it should be at least 6000. If you do reasonable mileage especially as it's an adventure bike then the extra expense of servicing means it's not as cheap as it first seems.
Awesome vid lads, love the banter you both have haha, good to see you trying out the chinese bikes, got myself a sinnis apache 125 and I feel like sinnis make excellent bikes. Not had any issues at all with mine, I want sinnis to make a apache 380 now haha
I’m a new rider, ridden an auto scooter for a year, really want to do the A2 and like the look of these, will a bike like this perform better in more adverse weather conditions (wet/icy)? as need it to commute
Like the look of this bike, maybe on the look out for an adventure style bike next year some time. This bike unfortunately not available in my market. It is in so many markets round the world under different names, that price is an absolute bargain too! Especially when you compare it to the Cyclone RX3S price. Also great to see Malcom back! The dynamic duo!
Suppose a Comparison between the RE Himalayan, the T380 and BMW 310GS is in store. Having owned a Chinese bike (Kymco K-Pipe 125) I'd recommend a liter or so of Locktite as my first purchase after bringing the bike home, as China apparently has no clue about keeping their bikes from vibrating apart.
With a 17” front wheel, is it really going to see any off road action? With a good tank range I could see this as a good bike for the NC500 but so is my CBF1000. Sadly it’s one of those bikes that seems to fall between two worlds and yet.....I like it! I like what they are trying to do and I cannot understand why Suzuki didn’t do this with the Vstrom 250. Imagine that bike with a V twin 400cc engine and a nice wedge of torque low down. Now you’re talking.
@@motorsforthemasses I stand corrected sir. It didn’t look like a 19” front. Right. Sod the NC500, let’s all get one and do the Paris Dakar course. Does it have a machine gun mounting point as an option rather than a 12volt socket? You could use those cans as ammo boxes!! 😁
Have they priced it just a little high considering that the Zontes 310 looks just as good but is £500 cheaper. The real fly in the ointment is the Cfmoto 650mt which is available for 5k and to me would be the better option
Why do people worry about the off road capabilities of ADV bikes? After all they are just as likely to be taken off road as the average BMW X5 or Range Rover Sport.
A lovely bike, my only concern are the headlights, when you switch on high beam the dipped head light goes off decreasing the amount of light on the road , Why do some manufacturers do this.
@@motorsforthemasses I know the high beam is brighter and has a different beam pattern, but if the dipped beam stayed on ( as with BMW'S) you will have better total illumination.
'Cracking seeing Malc again' and what a corker of a show, you guys really are the leaders in comedy, they say you know a bit about bikes as well!!! ps, won't be buying the Sinnis, no hand guards!!!
Looks a great bike.swap out the crap tyres for some decent rubber and you will gave a great bike. Be nice to get a service manual to do you own tappets as 4k service intervals is a bit short. Another couple of years and these Chinese guys will be seeing off honda and suzuki. I've had a cb500x and that look everybit as nice and has more standard equipment for 2k less
Light aluminium boxes are bad! The slightest knock or bump puts dints and scratches on em, had some on a works BMW some years ago, pain in the ass! Although I'd admit that at the price they would be a bargain
Nice review. However, there is no information on possible reliability if actually used for travelling other then your review. If used in other countries, availability of spares or repairs or folks to repair the engine as say using a honda for which there are many dealers. What of space for adaptation such sump plate or lighting. It would be interesting to see the lights at night. How about using the bike actually off-road and its handling for the job other than posing and reviews. If you don't use it for off-road then surely you would get a road bike. How does it handle fully loaded on and off-road? Are tyres tubed or tubles and how do those tyers supplied measure up in grip? I enjoyed the review but off-roaders need to know more of the bikes handling although it is nice to know you don't get monkey butt over a distance although find
3 questions.. 1, does it have a light clutch (think Versys 300X light). 2. Can you remove the panniers/topbox easily? 3. What are the service intervals?
Without checking, think it is 1000km, then every 2k. Clutch is pretty light, although I think the Versys is uber light. Panniers can be undone from the inside with turn knobs.
I've just sold my X300 Versys and your right about the clutch super light and a great bike all round tbh. I love the look of these synis but the intervals between services are ridiculous and would cost me a fortune servicing 3 times through the summer.
Interesting, enable video, oh I decided to considerably downsize after three Harley-Davidsons over the last 10+ years. I did think about a 250 Bullit V Bob. But in the end I traded in for the Vespa GTS 300 Super Sport HPE, to arrive in a week or so. The Harley's were great but time marches on.
@@aidens04 It certainly will, mind you I also have a new Honda Z125 Monkey Bike. One point that is part of me winding down from the Harley was the effort it took to get the bike both out and into the very small back yard of my terraced house. The Vespa at almost exactly half the weight of the Harley's 600+ lb.
First off this bike fully kitted is £1000 cheaper than a Honda CB500x but it won't have the reliability of the Honda or serviceability, then my first MOT bike failed on excessive rust and corrosion on chassis,it's a rust bucket for £4500,if I'd have bought a Honda this wouldn't have been an issue, conclusion spending extra £1000 buys you a lot better built bike that will last 10x longer, Now don't get me wrong I loved this bike when new and I still think it looks great when new but a bike that's worth scrap after 2years is not a well built bike,plus them panniers unscrew them self's when they rackle off road
@@motorsforthemasses true, but they remind me of a set we had years ago at work on a BMW GS650 they were terrible for dints ect at the slightest bump or knock, which means they end up in 6 months looking bad!
I believe Sinnis is a UK company, not Chinese. Quote: "At Sinnis Motorcycles, we design award-winning scooters and motorcycles. As the UK leader in small-capacity motorcycles and scooters, we’re driven by a vision to get more people on two wheels riding the British streets. We manufacture our bikes in Suzuki, Harley-Davidson and Yamaha partner factories to achieve a leading edge in small-CC machine engineering. We build our bikes around people and we’re proud of it." www.sinnismotorcycles.com/
I don't get it , you guys have all these cool bikes and across the pond were stuck with the same old same old and stinky Harleys , I think I need to move !
Here's a quick tip for ya.
When mounting ANY big bike, either tall or weighty (works even with the 2.3 triumph)
First turn the forks towards the side stand, this alters the seat height by upto 50mm honest. Mount the bike by standing either on the side stand flick or the foot peg and swing your leg over and immediately turn the forks (whilst on its stand) straight ahead with your right leg outstretched. This stops the bike overbalancing to the side stand side. Then put your left foot on the ground your right foot on the right foot peg and then swing the forks/bars to the right. Gently push on the right foot peg and straighten your left leg and the bike effortlessly stands upright. Once upright straighten forks to maintain balance.
This works really well when heavily laden and with a pillion and takes the load off of your shoulders or any dicky hips joints etc... Its a matter of lever principles 🤔😊👍
Ive tested the T380 and the GS310. For Quality and price, the T38 is the winner
I have rolled off my center stand while seated with EVERY bike I have ever owned and never in all my 42 years of riding had an issue with it wearing out or have it collapse or had any other of the horror stories that you may have heard of happening. Keep it well maintained and you never will! Good maintainance , as with all things bike, is key!
May have gone for this but bought a Himalayan with panniers £4700 and must admit its superb, I ride every day and tour but this maybe a future contender
Great video and good banter, this will age well, and also good job on your bike reviews, other channels just tell people about Ducati, BMW, etc and nothing smaller that one could use
I have the 125cc of this bike and love it
Good to see the old gang back 🙂
A bit heavy for a small capacity machine but still good value, each year Chinese machines are improving.
Another great video and one I've been waiting for.nuce to see Malcolm back.well done to you both.
Great video as always.. Looks a tidy bit of kit . But sorry to say this review came 6 weeks too late for me, I've just bought a second hand Vstrom 650 paying much more than the cost of the Sinnis. I would have definitely have considered the 380. It makes the Strom look soooo outdated ☹️☹️
Yes but I bet the V strom will go on forever with little maintenance and keep a decent residual come sale time.
Yes, Finally a proper review thank you guys 🤣
Are you Sinnis dealers? 🤔 Good to see Malc’ back too...
Yes
Looks really good that bike! I think in Portugal it's called the Vortex RX3S, at least the same engine and headlight but the vortex comes with spoked wheels and not a droopy exhaust.
Well 4599 same 37hp and less 30kg ill take the zontes t310 any day as i don't need boxes or extra weight thanks great review helped me choose the zontes.
pre ordered my sinnis 380, been biking for over 40 years, first real bike a silver kawazaki z250 scorpion, my last bike is a silver 380. im 5 foot 8 and it is a funny swing to mount it, plus the dash and front of the bike is constantly straight ahead as i turn, i cant see my front wheel , i dont fancy this on off road on narrow tracks
Looks very good but your thing about changing a sprocket to alter the gearing is flawed. The gearing is set within the gearbox a different sprocket will just raise ( or lower) depending on the sprocket, all of the gears. So 3rd, 4th and 5th will still be the same relative to each other just higher or lower. Or am I missing something?
A Triumph Tiger 800 at 10 years old for the same money would be 100 times a better buy, 200 kg for a 380??? No thanks.
Yes those triumph engines are a peach and go over 150000 miles.
Looks mint for that price.
Just the handguards to mount on this machine and i'd take off your hands for ya !! Any idea how much they would cost?
These two are a real comedy duo...that's one of the best reviews I've seen them do...even more comedy for your next one if you please...more hand gestures from behind....
Thank you, we will do our best...
excellent video, really, but you didn't mention durability which is the main concern for most when considering a chinese bike
What are the service intervals like on this ? I hope they are better than the Sinnis 125s
@@bleepfakes Same as the 125s then :-( 4000 miles is just too short these days it should be at least 6000. If you do reasonable mileage especially as it's an adventure bike then the extra expense of servicing means it's not as cheap as it first seems.
Awesome vid lads, love the banter you both have haha, good to see you trying out the chinese bikes, got myself a sinnis apache 125 and I feel like sinnis make excellent bikes. Not had any issues at all with mine, I want sinnis to make a apache 380 now haha
I’m a new rider, ridden an auto scooter for a year, really want to do the A2 and like the look of these, will a bike like this perform better in more adverse weather conditions (wet/icy)? as need it to commute
Like the look of this bike, maybe on the look out for an adventure style bike next year some time. This bike unfortunately not available in my market. It is in so many markets round the world under different names, that price is an absolute bargain too! Especially when you compare it to the Cyclone RX3S price. Also great to see Malcom back! The dynamic duo!
Suppose a Comparison between the RE Himalayan, the T380 and BMW 310GS is in store. Having owned a Chinese bike (Kymco K-Pipe 125) I'd recommend a liter or so of Locktite as my first purchase after bringing the bike home, as China apparently has no clue about keeping their bikes from vibrating apart.
Is it a Lexmoto lxr 380 with stockings and suspenders on?
This or zontes t310?
With a 17” front wheel, is it really going to see any off road action? With a good tank range I could see this as a good bike for the NC500 but so is my CBF1000. Sadly it’s one of those bikes that seems to fall between two worlds and yet.....I like it! I like what they are trying to do and I cannot understand why Suzuki didn’t do this with the Vstrom 250. Imagine that bike with a V twin 400cc engine and a nice wedge of torque low down. Now you’re talking.
As stated in the video, 17 inch rear, 19 inch front
@@motorsforthemasses I stand corrected sir. It didn’t look like a 19” front. Right. Sod the NC500, let’s all get one and do the Paris Dakar course. Does it have a machine gun mounting point as an option rather than a 12volt socket? You could use those cans as ammo boxes!! 😁
Thanks for the video - I'd be interested to know which of this or the new Zontes T310 you preferred to ride (on the road)?
See our latest video re: 3 day trip away
I am out from the other side leg toward the gas tank. So how tall are you guys?. Because I stand at 6 foot four, and push 280 pounds.
Is the Sini Ster deliberate?
Interested in this bike. But I'm in the U.S.A.. do you know if we will be getting this on the west side of the pond.
Haven't heard them going stateside yet, sorry.
I really like the t380 but really love the Honda cb500x... nice review though ...
Can the ABS be toggled off?
No exhaust bash guard fitted ,would anybody take this offroad ?
What's the service intervals ? And are those panniers fixed or easily removed?
See reply above please.
Have they priced it just a little high considering that the Zontes 310 looks just as good but is £500 cheaper. The real fly in the ointment is the Cfmoto 650mt which is available for 5k and to me would be the better option
Very interesting you mention this as we are planning a 3 day trip with the T310, T380 and MT650!
@@motorsforthemasses look forward to that guys
Why do people worry about the off road capabilities of ADV bikes? After all they are just as likely to be taken off road as the average BMW X5 or Range Rover Sport.
Correct!
You would be surprised by the amount of ADV forums for people that do just that....but for the most part, road use is most likely.
Does this come with a spoke wheel version?
Those cast wheels will be more harsh off road than a spoke wheel.
Not at the moment
Looking very suave with the beard 🧔
Great vid guys!
Timsun tyres look a bit suspect!
A lovely bike, my only concern are the headlights, when you switch on high beam the dipped head light goes off decreasing the amount of light on the road , Why do some manufacturers do this.
A brighter, different beam pattern
@@motorsforthemasses I know the high beam is brighter and has a different beam pattern, but if the dipped beam stayed on ( as with BMW'S) you will have better total illumination.
'Cracking seeing Malc again' and what a corker of a show, you guys really are the leaders in comedy, they say you know a bit about bikes as well!!! ps, won't be buying the Sinnis, no hand guards!!!
Very nice bike , all the Best
Super video made more enjoyable with having Malcom in it. Great bike and super luggage to boot. But alas Seat height is a no no for shorter riders.
Which camera are you guys using for 3d selfie videos?
360 vids? Insta360oneR
Thanks.will buy one and give it a go
Looks a great bike.swap out the crap tyres for some decent rubber and you will gave a great bike. Be nice to get a service manual to do you own tappets as 4k service intervals is a bit short. Another couple of years and these Chinese guys will be seeing off honda and suzuki. I've had a cb500x and that look everybit as nice and has more standard equipment for 2k less
Light aluminium boxes are bad! The slightest knock or bump puts dints and scratches on em, had some on a works BMW some years ago, pain in the ass! Although I'd admit that at the price they would be a bargain
Nice review. However, there is no information on possible reliability if actually used for travelling other then your review. If used in other countries, availability of spares or repairs or folks to repair the engine as say using a honda for which there are many dealers.
What of space for adaptation such sump plate or lighting. It would be interesting to see the lights at night.
How about using the bike actually off-road and its handling for the job other than posing and reviews. If you don't use it for off-road then surely you would get a road bike.
How does it handle fully loaded on and off-road? Are tyres tubed or tubles and how do those tyers supplied measure up in grip?
I enjoyed the review but off-roaders need to know more of the bikes handling although it is nice to know you don't get monkey butt over a distance although find
Thank you for your comment. I am discussing with Sinnis (after Lockdown) to get a demo for longer, more in depth testing...watch this space.
By the way, not sure if you saw that we are planning a 3 day trip soon with the T380, Zontes T310 and CF Moto MT650 soon.
@@motorsforthemasses No. i did not sorry, I would be interested in its outcome so hope I see it if you post the trip. Thanks
50kg too heavy; the asymmetric pannier fitting would annoy me; otherwise it looks a great bike.
Hi, please check the zongshen cyclone 380cc same motorcycle!!!!
Sadly can't afford it but it's proper looking grownup bike.
3 questions.. 1, does it have a light clutch (think Versys 300X light). 2. Can you remove the panniers/topbox easily? 3. What are the service intervals?
Without checking, think it is 1000km, then every 2k. Clutch is pretty light, although I think the Versys is uber light. Panniers can be undone from the inside with turn knobs.
I've just sold my X300 Versys and your right about the clutch super light and a great bike all round tbh. I love the look of these synis but the intervals between services are ridiculous and would cost me a fortune servicing 3 times through the summer.
@@motorsforthemasses service required every 2k miles?
Do people actually take these off road? sorry I've always ridden sports bikes good video as usual 💯👍
Yep th-cam.com/video/TPsvhS21Um0/w-d-xo.html
I think you guys said £4750 without boxes and £4899 with boxes so that’ll be £150 for the boxes either way sounds like a real bargain.
You are indeed right, in actual fact it is £4650 OTR without boxes
What’re the service intervals for the T380?
Without checking, think it is 1000km, then every 2k
@@motorsforthemasses 😳 Wow! Is that all? 🥴
Malcolm!
Interesting, enable video, oh I decided to considerably downsize after three Harley-Davidsons over the last 10+ years. I did think about a 250 Bullit V Bob. But in the end I traded in for the Vespa GTS 300 Super Sport HPE, to arrive in a week or so. The Harley's were great but time marches on.
Doe, that should of course read interesting ENJOYABLE video.
That is one hell of a change.
I hear you, though the step i took a few years ago wasn't quite as radical as yours when I went from a FLHTCUI to a Honda NC750X.
A harley to a vespa! Bet that felt strange
@@aidens04 It certainly will, mind you I also have a new Honda Z125 Monkey Bike. One point that is part of me winding down from the Harley was the effort it took to get the bike both out and into the very small back yard of my terraced house.
The Vespa at almost exactly half the weight of the Harley's 600+ lb.
From what chinese manufacturer sinnis came from?
Zongshen
@@mattschultz7196 just what i expect because of the design the same with rx3s design,good quality bikes
Where can I get one ?
Lightning Storm Motorcycles.
My next bike
Awesame moto!
Sinister ain't 380?
The looks looks like the BMW GS.
Pity Sinnis discontinued this bike from they're range..
I know, I was surprised.
Chinese bikes are impriving without a doubt but I've seen new KTM Aventure for under £5k which is far, far better...
I thought the KTM started at £5,500..and you cannot get boxes for them, just a small tail bag.
First off this bike fully kitted is £1000 cheaper than a Honda CB500x but it won't have the reliability of the Honda or serviceability, then my first MOT bike failed on excessive rust and corrosion on chassis,it's a rust bucket for £4500,if I'd have bought a Honda this wouldn't have been an issue, conclusion spending extra £1000 buys you a lot better built bike that will last 10x longer,
Now don't get me wrong I loved this bike when new and I still think it looks great when new but a bike that's worth scrap after 2years is not a well built bike,plus them panniers unscrew them self's when they rackle off road
I've seen these covered in rust at the front with very little mileage too.
Way too under powered for that particular market. With the cheap, flimsy looking panniers filled to the brim youd struggle getting much out of it.
The Panniers are certainly not flimsy
Who make sinnis bikes, are they Chinese?
Thanks 👍 enjoyed .
Cheaply built from substandard materials. Those nylon tires are a deathtrap
I think the RE Himalayan is better value...
The trouble with this bike is it won’t have any resale value
Cheap cheerful but no off roader.
Those boxes are made from virtually nothing, the first bump or knock and you'll have a big indentation, what I'd called tikki tacky metal.
There are stronger out there but they are £250; not £1000
@@motorsforthemasses true, but they remind me of a set we had years ago at work on a BMW GS650 they were terrible for dints ect at the slightest bump or knock, which means they end up in 6 months looking bad!
SOMETIMES YOU JUST EXPECT TOO MUCH
Nylon tires
YARRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHH!
I can't see how people can knock these Chinese bikes, just look at the Terrian 125 and the globe trotting their owners have covered.
I believe Sinnis is a UK company, not Chinese.
Quote: "At Sinnis Motorcycles, we design award-winning scooters and motorcycles.
As the UK leader in small-capacity motorcycles and scooters, we’re driven by a vision to get more people on two wheels riding the British streets.
We manufacture our bikes in Suzuki, Harley-Davidson and Yamaha partner factories to achieve a leading edge in small-CC machine engineering.
We build our bikes around people and we’re proud of it."
www.sinnismotorcycles.com/
I don't get it , you guys have all these cool bikes and across the pond were stuck with the same old same old and stinky Harleys , I think I need to move !
Anywhere hot? Fancy a house swap?