2023 Chevy Silverado Will Be A Better Truck Than 2022 Toyota Tundra?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ธ.ค. 2022
- One of the more often asked questions lately is if I will miss the 2022 Toyota Tundra after buying a new 2023 Chevy Silverado? Publisher Tim Esterdahl tackles this question to give you his unique insight into owning both trucks.
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This is one of your best segments I’ve ever watched. Good honest unbiased commentary. The good the bad and the ugly. Awesome job keep up the good work.
that is what i like about tim, he say's what is on his mind. No one "owns" him.
I agree 100%. I like the looks of the Tundra, but there are some big misses as a truck with the rear bumper, no tow hooks, and no hybrid rear seat storage.
I agree with you 100 💯 percent, this episode was by far the best commentary in which Tim has done.
In my opinion this is quite possibly the best video you’ve made. Given the rarity of Tundra redesigns, many people including myself were eagerly awaiting the 2021 model. All points you made were spot on, especially the ones identifying real truck deficiencies that the Toyota possesses.
I don’t know how other folks feel and it matters not but I sort of wish Toyota would have updated the interior technology within the old tundra and simply installed the new 10 speed automatic transmission to the old 5.7 L V8. In so doing, they could of reduced the rear axle ratio down to something more reasonable that I bet would of yielded very similar gas mileage without the overall complexity of the twin turbo V6.
If ford can get 17 city 24 highway on their V8 Toyota can too.
Very much agree that it would have been nice to keep the V8. I have a 2013 with the 4.6L V8 and already get 19 - 20mph at 75mph on long trips. If that engine was paired with a 10 speed, it would be even better.
I'll note that the push for small displacement turbos is more than just for mpg ratings. It's mainly driven by emissions and making the V8s meet emissions is getting tougher, more expensive and making the V8s less reliable (cylinder deactivation, complicated valve trains, etc.) and it's hard for them to justify spending money to research and modify V8 engines to meet emissions when only a few models can use those engines.
The turbo V6 can be used and share parts across more models than the V8 engines and that helps their bottom line.
I don't necessary like it, but understand it. I usually keep my pickups 10 years, which is coming up for my 2013 Tundra, but perhaps I'll change my mind and keep this one 15 or 20 years. I'll see what pickups are out there in a year or two and decide then.
Well said .
@@MeliorIlle I own that truck and I can’t get anywhere near that fuel economy. I’m basically getting the same fuel economy with my 21 f150 as I did with my 16 tundra. Trucks are being used in the same way as work trucks.
@@carbb5760 That's nice, EPA means more than anecdotal accounts.
The Tundra is a bid hard to love on stock suspension & tires. With a slight lift & 35 inch tires, the Tundra looks so nice!
I'm not even a big truck guy but I love watching your videos. It is refreshing to listen to an honest and open minded individual. Great job!
One of your if not your best videos I have seen. I love your honest review and fair approach to both vehicles. It really helps me to be an informed buyer when I decide on my next truck purchase. Keep up the good work!
I love your long term owner reviews!! I wish all car review channels would do the same 1 to 2 year owner reviews.
Tim i liked that you talked about how well the heated seats and wheel work because most reviewers dont. I think many people care about small stuff like that and it should be included in all reviews IMO.
I have the 22 Silverado redesign and it’s true the wheel and seats are the hottest I’ve ever felt
They’ve been hot for a minute, my 06 Silverado heated seats are the same
I was hyped up to buy a Tundra, but I didn’t like the plastic front and rear bumpers or few other things you mentioned too. I’ve been looking at Chevrolet and GMC, just not sure on trim and engine. For me, you buying and reviewing this new truck over the next few months will be a big help.
There’s some healthy competition these days. The RAM, F150, Titan, and older Tundra’s are nothing to scoff at. GM’s QA continues to be worst in segment according to consumer reports.
After my last 2 Gm disappointments(I have loved and driven GM trucks for 22 years!) Id steer clear of a GM if you're looking for a long-term truck. This guy can afford a new one every year because it's wrapped into his business costs. Gm still has the lifter issue (that will cost you 5k when it happens) 16 years later and has no fix except it to fail out of warranty so they can take more of your money. Gm transmissions are also still terrible. Ask me how I know. I had one of each in the last 10 years with 2 different GMs. Both out of warranty at just over 100k miles with perfect maintenance. I bought a Tundra in 2019 and its had 0, count them, 0!!! issues towing 6 days a week for almost 50k miles. I'm not sure I can go back to having a truck in the shop every couple of months again. Gm has a long way to go to gaining my trust again. The 3.0l duramax might be ok? but any gas truck engine gets a big fat no
Don't buy a Nissan titan. Just look up the transmission.
Tim. You are right on point. I WANTED a Tundra. I waited an extra two years to see what the new Tundra was going to do. I was able to swallow the design. But when the fuel economy came back to be on par with the existing F-150 and the Tundra didn't push any envelopes except the cooler button for the tailgate, I looked elsewhere. I really appreciate the Toyota design engineer Mike Sweers and his honest candor in interviews at the Tundra releases, but the one item he mentioned that I shook my head in disbelief was that: "their focus groups complained about fuel economy but Toyota showed it didn't change buying decisions." Next time you talk to the Toyota Team, tell them to get a new focus group. I put in an order on a late '22 1500 Sierra Duramax (LM2) AT4 and have enjoyed my upper 20's to low 30's fuel economy on the highway. I look forward to hearing what you find with the LZ0.
I'm a Toyota guy, am on my 3rd Tundra (17), big fan of Mikey, but have to agree with you on this one. I went to the dealer to look at one they allocated in my spec preference, and the seat was broken and the mirror cap was gone from transport... Crazy. I do think it will get better - you know those guys are watching. Always coming at us with those good unbiased vids :)
Spot on, Ty for sharing. Good Luck with the new Truck
I really like your channel. Unfortunately, you’re in for an experience with the GM. My last two trucks were a 3500 HD Sierra (single rear wheels) Denali and a Silverado 1500 with the diesel. The 3500 HD was an okay vehicle. Uncomfortable, but I needed it for towing. Unreliable because the injectors had to be replaced after 7000 miles. And again after 13,000 miles.
My towing requirements changed and I got the Silverado 1500 diesel. Great mpg’s. But constant electrical gremlins from day 1. Push button start failed after a week. HVAC controls died after 3 months. Windshield wiper motor died after 6 months. Then on month 8 I had a loss of power issue while driving down the road. Limp mode. Was told I needed a new engine. Truck sat for 3 months waiting for an engine. I sold it and bought a 2023 Tundra last week. I love the Tundra. I don’t have the window trim gap. It drives down the road better than the Chevy. I’ll take the Toyota over the GM products any day. I had a 2018 Tundra and wish I’d never sold it.
I have a ZR2 Silverado, axles, shifter, engine problems
GM is a fucking joke of a company.
The new Tundras are built so solid, it's a truck that will actually last 10 years. I don't see the average GM truck lasting more than 3 without major repairs. Garbage.
Well. My son is still driving my 2002 tundra I bought new. So I’m a huge Toyota fan. But I’m going Chevy or ram. I test drove a tundra recently and thought it was an unimpressive drive. Couldn’t see anything. Was very unnerving. Then when I see the broken seat issues. Bumper. Remote start subscription. So many more. I am leaving Toyota. Plus you can hardly find a tundra they won’t even talk to me at dealership. Their attitude is we don’t really need you. I’m out.
@@alanross2243 😂 if you think for a moment your experience with a Chevy or RAM will be better then best of luck to you. Chevy will be okay but you’ll have big electrical gremlins. RAM is super comfy but you’ll have to fight tooth and nail for anything repair wise.
Tundra owner here and you hit the nail on the head. Finding it very hard to justify trading my 2014 Crewmax limited for a new one. Test drove one and it didn't blow me away the same way it did with my current one.
Great video because it was your honest and fact based personal experience - well done Tim! I have 1K miles now on my '23 1794 Tundra (with AVS) and I still love it. We'll see... IMHO I DO think you would be happier with a higher trim-line however some of your negatives (heated steering wheel, no front hooks, etc.) won't make a difference no matter the trim. Keep up the good work!
Excellent video, Been a 2022 Tundra owner since May and you are spot on about everything. The only thing that you missed is that the factory spray on bedliner is about as durable as tissue paper. I'll be keeping mine since none of these are deal breakers for me but I will be adding/changing things as they come to market to make up for the deficiencies. Hopefully Toyota is watching and makes some changes in an early refresh. I love that you called out the Hybrid as a "Diesel Replacement" that's put it in a half ton truck that is not a "HD truck replacement". The regular twin turbo has plenty of power to haul or tow up to the 1/2 ton capacities. For a half ton the hybrid should be getting you more mileage and features, it does not need the torque. Either that or make a heavy half to make use of it. Thanks for your truthful and straightforward commentary.
Thanks for bringing us honest non bias reviews. I've been disappointed with my 23 tundra. Very interested in 23 Silverado High Country 3.0 duramax. Will be watching your upcoming videos for a detailed review.
I’ve been trying to talk myself into a tundra. I needed this. Thanks.
Just got a 2023 limited TRD in lunar rock…the silver on the grille isn’t the best…but I don’t think it’s ugly. I’ve had nothing but compliments. No issues with any of the heat, thing gets hotter than hell
I couldn't have said it better myself. I have ONLY had Toyota trucks for the past 35+ years. I started with a 1985 Toyota Extra Cab SR5 and never looked back. I currently own a 2007 Tundra Crewmax that was one of the first Gen 2 off the line in Indiana. It has been flawless for a first year model.
I was all set to buy the gen 3. I followed and read many articles over the years about the "new refresh". In summary, I was shocked by the launch and what I saw. I really tried hard to like it and even tried to convince myself.
Long story short, I ordered a 2023 GMC Sierra AT4 with the Duramax. I kind of feel like I have to go to confession and talk to my priest for what I have done.
I am sure that Toyota will have to do a redesign but I do not see that happening any time in the next 5 years.
I have photos of the new Tundra at the dealership, Platinum, TRD Pro and it is really sad to see how poor the fit and finish really is. My 2007 is put together with tighter tolerances than the 2022 I drove.
Good to hear Nelson. I went to Denver in Aug to buy a 2007 CM with 213k. Haven't been disappointed yet......
@@donnovicki4104 You will not be disappointed. I bought mine new. I did put a two inch leveling kit and that is it. Change the oil religiously, brake pads, etc. and it will serve you well.
That’s why am keeping my 2015 Tundra 5.7 looking at 3.0 too
Totally agree! I too had a 2007 Tundra Limited Crewcab and love it. Mine did suffer from some gremlins. Tried telling myself I wanted a new Tundra. Ended up with a 2022 GMC Sierra SLT. I love everything about it. I hope it turns out to be as reliable as my 1990 GMC Jimmy (14 years and 200k+ miles)
So how do you like your new D-Max? I absolutely love my 23' 3.0!
I guess living with a truck for a year gives you some perspective. I remember your interview with Mike Sweers(sp?) when the Tundra first came out. No mention of the obvious “misses” at that point. I had a deposit down on a 1794 for 6 1/2 months and gave up. I purchased a 2023 GMC SIERRA SLT with the 3.0 Duramax. I pick it up tomorrow morning. I will provide feedback if folks are interested. Keep up the great work.
Wow, what a brutally honest review. I’m a Toyota guy and you gave me a lot to think about. Thanks Tim.
Just purchased essentially the same truck you have. Coming from a 2013 F150 XLT. Didn’t have remote start before so don’t care much about it shutting off when I get in. All the fancy bumper stuff didn’t start until the last couple years. So no issues with the bumper. Step up on the tire or sit on the tailgate and then stand up. Love the heated and cooled seats. My complaints are with the rear floor space/storage and transmission hump coming from the flat open floor in the F150.
LOL, I wasn’t considering the new Tundra until the redesign because I thought the old was was ugly. I guess beauty really is in the eye of the beholder.
I was able to try out the heated seats in my 2021 TRD pro for the first time this week. They work great!
Absolutely spot on honest review…Nicely Done My Man!!! 🙏🏼👊🏼🇺🇸
Great job explaining what is good and bad. I agree with your points that there were too many misses on the Tundra. Concerning the seats. Does your family like the leather seat comfort better of the truck you have now compared to the cloth seats on the 2021 F-150 XLT?
The cloth seats in the 21 are still the better ones for comfort. The leather is easier to clean though.
Hey there, Tim.
All the complaints you are telling us about here in this video about the 2022 Tundra are the reasons why I ordered a 2023 F-150 Platinum instead of a 2023 Capstone.
We the audience are very fortunate to have some very fine folks such as you doing all the research work for those of us who want a new truck but yet haven't made up our minds on which brand to buy.
The Capstone interior is terrible
Although I agree the capstone isn’t great. The f150 platinum isn’t either. $80k and no heated steering wheel, park assist or smart scales. And better get an extended warranty
I’d probably go King Ranch over Platinum in the F150. The Capstone interior is so bad I would take any other trim in the Tundra if I had to get one.
@@danielc3510 I didn't order the F-150 Limited cause you may not get the FX4 package and you may not get the Black Appearance package either with the Limited.
Another great video Tim, The reason you listed is why I did not buy the new tundra as well (sold a 17 Tundra for the 23 AT4 3L), I was looking a TRD Pro, even though it was cheaper that the AT4, the AT4 has more tech and features that I liked over the Pro, Also I got 0% 36M finance through GM.
Got hyped up about the tundra over the last few months from your videos. Put a deposit on the 2023 platinum. Got really nervous after the review showing the broken seat, but my deposit was already down. It’s definitely a learning curve from my old 2013 Genesis coupe. So far it’s been great. I take a lot of caution getting in and out and got the bed step added before I even picked it up. Really appreciate your videos so I can look out for the red flags and avoid them.
I think the upper level trims like the platinum are better.
@@koryscullawl8895 I hope so. But I’m very self conscious about getting in and out of it. Time will tell
Love your videos because of your research and honest opinions.
Thank you, Tim. Really appreciate the honesty in this video. I agree on most points and hope Toyota makes the necessary changes to the Tundra to make it a better truck. NOT being able to get into the bed after spending $61k is ridiculous. It's a TRUCK for goodness sakes!!
Just traded in my 2007 Tundra Limited (15 years 206,230 miles) for a 2022 GMC Sierra SLT Crew. I tried telling myself I wanted a new Tundra but I couldn’t swallow the new look. Every time I told myself I like it, my brain screamed back LIAR! Test drove a RAM… nope. Ended up with the 2022 GMC Sierra SLT. I love everything about it. I hope it turns out to be as reliable as my 1990 GMC Jimmy (14 years and 200k+ miles)
Spot on my friend. I had a 14 tundra which I think the 14-21 tundras are the best exterior looking trucks but the lack of everything u stated is why I switched to a 17 f150.
Ive had my tundra for a little over a year now and love it, the same trim and options you had on yours but mine is army green. I respect your opinions and agree with some, like some people with the horrible mpg. I've noticed that if I start my truck with the keyfob instead of remote start and let it run for a let's say 5-10 minutes, the computer takes that and computes that into your mpg. So the display will tell you you're getting 11-15 mpg on the highway but look at your real time guage beside that number and you'll see your true mpg. I get 21-23 on highway consistently with the trd air filters. Hope that's the case with a lot of those complaints. But I have watched your journey with it and enjoyed it and can't wait to watch your journey with this new truck. Good luck and stay safe.
I agree! I had a 22 trd pro and hated it. Turning radius sucked, mpg sucked, price sucked! It was payed for and I traded it in on a 23 frontier and also a nice check back. Love the frontier, 6 ft bed, great mpg, 310 hp v-6! Totally happy!
Eagerly awaiting your 6-month ownership report!
Probably the most spot on opinion of both the Tundra and the Silverado. I have owned both, and this is the most real, and honest assessment ive ever seen. I truly wanted to love the Tundras, and in the end i just cant.
Thanks!
I've owned every truck brand and each are good in their own right. My last truck was a 21 F150 that was totaled and saved my life, loved that truck. Currently have a 22 F150 that I will be keeping for as long as I can. XLT with the 3.5 and max tow. I get 24mpg on the highway and 21 in town. Definitely takes a hit while towing, but don't know of any vehicle that doesn't. Only regret with the F150 is I didn't get the Powerboost, but we had to replace the totaled truck and inventory was non existent. The Silverado is a nice truck, well built and I actually really like the look of it. But the 19 I had I couldn't get comfortable on long drives. The dead petal was an issue for me, my left leg would go numb. Other than that, it was a fine truck. The Ram is a good truck. The previous model Tundra was a fantastic truck but boy was it thirsty. This new Tundra, though, I just can't behind. Not only is it ugly, but the reported fuel economy, issues with the infotainment and consistent QA issues make it DOA for me. I used to love Toyota, but they're not the company they once were.
You are spot on with everything.
I for one need to keep my vehicle for a very long time. I currently have a 07' GMC Sierra 2500HD with 210,000 miles and am always looking at these new trucks. After looking and researching I always run back to my good ol'reliable 07 GMC
I bought a 2012 Silverado LTZ new with the 6.2 and max towing package and it’s been the best trouble free vehicle I’ve ever owned . After talking to numerous mechanics I just don’t want a turbo engine since I keep a vehicle for longer than average ( if I like it) . The Toyota Tundra front end just doesn’t grow on me at all .
i purchase my 2023 tundra SR5 4x4 on NOV. 16 2022 its FEB 23 2023 today.. IVE had my truck for ONLY 8 days 4X4 ISSUES.. So far they've changed my transfer case and they might have to change my front axle as well. I will find this out tomorrow . I've owned many TOYOTA''S since 1976 and you are right they've changed many things to the negative side..You're honest unbiased keep up the GOOD work..
Can’t wait for the new series of videos on the Silverado!
I have owned the 2022 Tundra since Feb. First few months I loved it. It wasn’t long until all the little details caused me to miss my previous Trailboss. The most important thing here is the ownership experience. So many little details I could list but I don’t want to write a novel. Long story short I am very close to jumping back into a GM truck as soon as it comes in and I have a brand new appreciation for all of the little things I took for granted previously. This is a fantastic video and completely agree with everything you said. Toyota is a fantastic truck just not for me. As an enthusiast, I need to love what I own and have that emotional connection. Just don’t “love” this new Tundra.
Not asking for a novel but would you mind casually mentioning some details that made you miss your trail boss?
@@Salvitrojan7 Sure. Remote start not shutting off at unlock. Easy to see and turn off auto start stop switch. V8. Radio stays on when turn off vehicle until you open door. Quiet and solid drive feel on highway. Better fit and finish (It’s true). Better turning radius and easier to park. Shorter front end so not nearly as much good glare, rugged appearance with 2 in lift and all terrain tires from factory. Easier bed acces with bumper steps. STEEL BUMPERS. auto 4x4. Volume and seek controls on back of steering wheel. Dual glove boxes. Stuff like that.
@@josephkraft5640 well it looks like I won’t be visiting a Toyota dealership anytime soon!! 😂, thanks for the feedback!
@@josephkraft5640we’re in the same boat! I also think I remember you in the tundra group? I think we got our tundras at the same time. I sold my tundra over a month ago, just couldn’t do it anymore. I was so disappointed on the quality of the truck, among many other things!
@@Salvitrojan7 Yeah the air vents blow way better in the Silverado. The seating position is better. Operation of climate control system is easy with hard buttons. The heated steering wheel button is ON THE STEERING WHEEL. Has tow hooks. 2nd row has an almost flat floor. You have the multiflex or multi pro tailgate option. The window seals seat with no gap or popping out. The center armrest console don’t squeak every time you put your arm on it. The fuel fill is cap less. There’s no warped trim pieces or trim pieces popping off. Infotainment system easy to navigate. There is storage on under sides of center console that convenient. The front windshield is larger (taller) providing better visibility. The cup holders don’t have a death grip on beverages making them easier to use and clean. The new infotainment screen is slanted slightly towards the driver making it easier to see and making you feel important. Lots to appreciate there.
Thanks for the mention of Fort Wayne, that's where I live. Great to have the Silverado manufactured here.
Agree. The front-end on the Sequoia is so much nicer. Not a fan of the interior either. It's ok but not great. Functionality is missing too you're right. I saw several small quality issues that will be worked out. Saving grace is 'potential' reliability. Resale is good. Seems like they're all having issues here and there. I was waiting with high hopes. But I'm disappointed.
Good stuff! constructive criticisms for a better tundra refresh.
Spot on Sir! Thank you!
Tim, I love your channel. And I agree with a lot of your misses. My only different would be styling. I really like the looks of the Tundra. Every time I see one on the road I think that. I know that's a subjective thing, but the looks are that wow factor, you mentioned, for me.
I’m really curious how you feel about your new Silverado vs. the Hybrid F-150?
Which Truck’s appearance and drive do you prefer - detailed response much appreciated!!
Keep up the good work!!
I understand what you’re saying about Toyota, for instance, I bought a RAV4, LE, who in their right mind designed the windshield wipers below the defrost heat line. If the vehicle is parked outside, what a hassle, it is to deice the wipers I’ve gone through a couple pairs already.
Tim that was well said as always. For the money we spend on these things we want them to be the best Swiss Army knife (do the most) that our money can buy. The Tundra doesn’t feel that way right now. I think it’s a good looking truck just missed it on the things you listed in this video. Can I add one more 😂, why can’t Toyota put “4 Auto” on their transfer cases? The domestics figured that out a long time ago. Works great for all the days you almost need 4HI which is like 350days per year for me.
Greatest honest video!!! Hey Toyota are you listening??? Owner of 2020 Tundra and 2 4runners. Very Happy with them. I hope they improve the new Tundra and make it #1 again and consumer reports to recommend it again with all green very good!!! Thanks!!!
I have a 2021 lt trail boss with the 5.3. I love my truck. I have had it for almost 2 years. Yes I have has the lifters and rollers replaced 2 times and had the battery die. But other than that it’s been amazing. On cold days it warms up inside really fast and still put together great. Had a 2019 1794 and had rattles from the start
I have a silverado but with the 6.6 gas. I’d be selling before warranty is up though if I had to have lifters and roller rockers replaced twice in two years.
The hell with having lifter & rollers replaced. Thats junk imo.
@@Txcowboy80 He's only had the entire top end of the motor rebuild twice in two years. No biggie....
I'll take the rattles over replacing lifters all day every day.
Great Video Tim. I would love to be a fly on the wall in Toyota boardroom after they watch your video. Imagine the infighting between Engineering, Corporate and Legal. Everyone blaming someone else. LOL.
I bought a 2023 Silverado z71 LTZ last week and really love all the space and comfort. I’ll keep it 5 years and flip it. I don’t trust Chevy transmissions past 100,000 miles but like everything else
I really hope Mike Sweers watches this. I emailed him and never heard back. Everything you said is spot on.
WOW !! I think this was your best video. I think you fully understand what the average truck owner likes, and how they use their vehicles. You just let it loose, and you hit the mark with an outstanding analysis. I own a older Chevy truck and was planning to buy a new "Class Leading" 2022 Tundra. What we learned was that there was nothing "Class Leading". It's exactly as you stated, yeah it will probably be reliable but that's it. I didn't buy. I began looking at the F150 but dealers were selling above MSRP. I decided to wait. I'm not a diesel guy. I love the features with the Chevy, and we thought out design, but wish they had a twin turbo larger than the 2.7. Although the 2.7 matches the power of the 5.3L , how durable will that engine be?
On another topic , you've mentioned several times that the 3.0 is not a heavy duty diesel engine like the bigger displacement engines. When ever you say that I think of smaller diesel engines from the 90's that were cheaply made and didn't last long. I know it's hard to predict but how long will that engine last but do we know anything about its reliability?
I have the 3 litre and i believe the problem areas will be cooling components and DEF Components ,after warranty. But we will not know for a few more years .
Tim, everything you said about the Tundra is true. My issues with it are the same ones you pointed out.
I want to like it, but Toyota has made it difficult to do so.
Your videos helped me decide to trade in my 2004 GMC Sierra Duramax for a 2022 Tundra Limited which I picked up a few months ago. I agree with most of your comments about the Tundra although some of the issues you mentioned like the heated seats and steering wheel have not been a problem with my Tundra. Maybe because mine was built many months later than yours. I spent many thousands of $$$ fixing a host of problems with my Sierra --especially the fuel injectors-- so I could never give GM one more dime no matter how good their trucks may seem. Thanks for your helpful videos. BTW: I thought my Sierra was a very handsome truck and also thought the Tundra was over-the-top ugly. But I have to admit, its looks are growing on me.
I absolutely love the look. Finally getting one next month after waiting a year for what I wanted. Almost bought an f-150 because Ford would actually make what I wanted instead of randomly hoping.
In one of your videos you were talking about high idle. I have a 2020 with the 3.0l Duramax and it does have a high idle. It is variable though. I live in Minnesota and depending upon temperature it will go up to around 1200 rpm. It also uses the turbo to provide back pressure to retain heat.
Hearing from others that high idle setting has gone away.
I went from A Tundra to a GM HD 2500. I was set to look at the 22 and based on pics and reviews I was already not impressed but waited to see it in person. Still wasn’t impressed and knew I’d pass. Hate the direction all the half tons went with turbo V6 engines, start stop, cylinder deactivation etc. just not interested in all that. So I went to a HD. Getting the same miles per gallon as my 5.7 Tundra did but with way more capability. Fit and finish is actually better on my new HD vs even my 16 tundra. The new tundra has worse fit and finish than the 16 for sure. Chunky huge plastic front clip, no recovery hooks, silly suv rear bumper, smaller interior, V6 only with turbos, start stop etc. no thanks.
I have a 08 tundra I bought new and still driving. I was in the same boat. They butchered the new tundra inside and out and will be buying a 2024 Chevy 2500hd with most likely the diesel.
Did you get gas or diesel? I just test drove a used 202 2500 crew with 7 foot bed in high country. Holy cow it rode nice! And trip odometer was showing over 20 mpgs. Very tempted to get it versus a half ton but I worry about maneuverability compared to a half ton crew with 6.5 bed. Thoughts?
You’ll see the differences in a few years, if not yet already. 😂
@@slmjake Gas. A half ton is a bit easier to maneuver through tight parking lots, but that’s about it.
Awesome recap on the 2022 Tundra, as opposed to some other TH-cam channels.
Tim I was excited to see you on national news last night when they ran a segment about pickup trucks in the U.S. I felt so proud of you like a relative being recognized lol! Great job sir!
A loyal fan
As a former owner of a silverado, I personally would not consider another GM product. Not only due to the inflated msrp, but mainly because of GM's inability to build a quality product. Its Tundra for me 100%.
I love remote starting my GMC dessert sand with the diesel in the early morning. I look at my truck everyday and tell myself, damn this is a bad ass looking truck. Then I drive that smooth lil torque monster and love every minute of it.
Excellent thanks Tim
Well said I bought a 2021 Tundra new last year as I was not wanting the V6. The lack of tow hooks and the stupid rear bumper really bother me. Great points on a new drive train but still getting the poor fuel mileage, what is the gain? Keeping my 2021 for a while not sure what direction I’ll go next. Maybe a Ford. Time will tell I guess. Great honest review. Thank you!
Great video. I hope Toyota fixes most of the issues you brought up! Toyota absolutely needs a Hybrid version that's designed for MPG and light towing.
Looks are subjective for sure,with the front end of the tundra it completely depends on the colour and trim level.
I have a '22 limited like you without the offroad pkg,the grill surround is silver vs shiney chrome and matches the headlight and looks just fine....too my eyes :)
My heated wheel is warm all around and no way I can leave the seat heater higher then 1 without an uncomfortably sweaty crack.
Yep a couple things bug me about the truck,but I doubt there's a truck on the market that will make everyone happy 100%.
Only time will tell of course but 14k in and no regrets or issues or a sense this truck won't last long term.
Keep up the good work Tim.
I like Suburban and want to buy one. However, I own a 4Runner and my wife owns a Highlander because of reliability. I wish Chevy sacrificed some comfort and convenience for reliability. When we owned the Traverse, it’s alternator died at 40k miles on a mountainside on New Year’s Day. It was a monster hassle to go rent tools, buy battery, alternator; replace it…frozen fingers, remove wheel ensuring jack-stand doesn’t slip on sloping roadside…
Driving a 2019 F150 now, no tailgate step...but man I miss my 2016 Silverado with the bumper steps. Just so convenient.
I think you hit the nail on the head. It is all about the little details. Which of those details matter most is a very personal thing. You have a unique view since your are doing this as a business. Probably any brand will last an adequate amount of time if treated well. Different brands and models may have different issues along the way but none of them are perfect and really none of them are trash. I tend to keep my vehicles about the average amount of time and early this year I chose a RAM with the etorque HEMI. I am happy with my choice but I have had experiences with Fords, GMs and Toyota products along with some others. They are all good and it looks like GM is making some real headway with the latest models. I didn't like the GM trucks that were available when I was in the market because of the little details. I think they have corrected much of that with the latest updates. And yes if you are going to be towing heavy or frequently you should indeed have an HD truck.
💯 Toyota doesn’t GAF about what customers want. There has to be some lawsuit behind why they keep the car turning off on unlock. I own a 22 because of the reliability and resale. I’m looking forward to see how this Chevy works out for you!
Love the video Tim traded my 22 tundra for the refresh gmc Sierra best thing I ever did ..
My new Chevy gripe- every time I start the truck, I have to turn the seat cooler on again. On our (older) Toyotas, its a rotary knob that stays where I left it when I shut it off, I like that better. Sometimes I fell like certain things were better on older designs.
I have a '23 Sierra, and there's an option under Settings / Vehicle somewhere to have the heated seats come on when you start the truck.
The F150 heated and cooled seats retain the memory when restarting.
Great video
I felt the same when the 22 came out but it's grown on me. My Limited TRD OR Hybrid I love.
You literally read my mind on this video, spot on!! 100% agree with everything you said about the new tundra.
Here’s another one: why is their no flat floor in the back seat? Even on the non hybrid theirs still this massive hump in the middle. Like come on toyota do you not see what the competition is doing?
And in my opinion the hybrid is a complete flop like we dont need a halfton for performance towing. In my personal opinion if you are pulling more then 10k pound in a half ton you should be getting a heavy duty truck. Toyotas hybid version of this truck should of been more focused on fuel economy not towing!
I've been a Tundra guy for 12 years, but I agree with you on the new model. I noticed the build quality issues just kicking tires at the dealer. I didn't like the visibility and the front is hit or miss for me. I don't use the step on the bumper, but I agree that it's a major oversight. I'll likely go Chevy my next time around too. I don't want the twin turbo or a hybrid.
I saw the Tundra at the LA Auto show in Nov. First time seeing the Tundra up close and personal. I agree with your comments. It was difficult to get into the bed. No wow factor. Interior space seems tighter than expected. Although I do like the way the Tundra looks. But I think the Chevy and GMC looks better and so much more useable with the bumper steps and the flex tailgate.
I think Toyota needs to refresh the Tundra with some of the exterior features on the Silverado.
Good video. I came to the same conclusion about the new Tundra. I’m a Toyota guy through and through. Love Toyota trucks, but when it came to buying a new truck in 2022 I ended up buying a Ford F350 Tremor 7.3L Lariat ultimate with a 12K winch for $69K out the door. The F350 has nearly three times the payload, has tow hooks, a flat floor in the back, looks better, and the Sync4 is very nice. Just can’t see spending over $60K for a new half ton that has limited capability and so many design flaws when Ford gives you all the goodies ready to go. I keep falling more in love with the F350 Tremor. It does everything well except get good gas mileage lol.
Tim you pegged the WOW factor with your Silverado , I was hoping you got the 3.0
Such a great review. I have thought the exact same things on the new Tundra. I've considered buying one, but I'm going to roll into another GMC with the 3.0 diesel. My 2014 Sierra All Terrain with the 5.3 has been a solid truck but I know it's a ticking time bomb. I don't know if people can get 10-20 years out of a truck anymore. Engineering and technology has improved, but there seems to be so many issues with quality and quality control of parts going into vehicles these days. With my GM it's been the AC system and lifter problems which was pretty much just bad manufacturing. Thankfully I avoided these issues...so far..... I do miss my 1972 F-100.
Buy a ‘21 tundra while u can find low mileage ones…prob best 1/2 ton ever built
@@Wellh0wrya Yes. I have a 19 limited after 2 failed GMs in 10 years and have had 50k trouble free miles and it tows like a beast. Drinks fuel but its a tradeoff vs having a truck in the shop all the time and questionable long term reliability
Such a truthful response.
Love your honest assessment, Tim! Toyota fanboys will always think the Big 3 are inferior, and yes that was true in overall quality in the 90s and early 2000s. But Ford, GM, and Ram have decades and decades of experience and they do indeed listen to their customers. Whether it was GM listening to their customers demanding improved interior environments, Ford listening to their customers in NOT taking away the Coyote, and Ram needing overall quality improvements, they all respond.
Toyota has had a long fascination with being a big nanny in their vehicles. I'm reminded of the lawyer screen on the old Lexus products that wouldn't even allow music to play unless you accepted the terms EACH time you started the vehicle. And yes...the Tundra hasn't grown on me and remains the ugliest in the class.
Another thing is most of the Toyota fanbois have trucks in states with no road salt. When I was a kid the Toyotas rotted quickly and the beds were flimsy. And yes, Toyota is ridiculous with the nannies. They ruin any kind of driving fun, especially when you get out and see how horrible they look.
Wish I could drive mine, been in shop for 2 months. Hope you have better luck
I really wanted a Tundra but after sitting in one and seeing how cheap everything felt inside, I went with a High Country. The Tundra I text drove was the Platinum. Unbelievable how cheap and plastic everything felt for a $71,000 truck.
Great video. I am afraid the issues you’re describing with the new Tundra will also happen when they redesign the 4Runner. Not looking forward to a new 2.4L turbo in that platform.
I have a ‘22 Platinum and my experience with the heated steering wheel and seats has been quite the opposite from yours. Both get exceptionally hot rather quickly. I wonder if that’s a difference in design between the two models. Or a mid-year correction.
Tim you are spot on about the Tundra
I’ve been driving my 2015 Toyota for 7 years and 160k miles and really was hoping to love the new Tundra. After watching all of the videos about the details that you mentioned I think I’ll keep mine for another 5 Year’s or so. I had hoped to pass it down to one of my kids next year and get a new Tundra but I can’t see spending $60+ and not get excited when I see it in the driveway and get annoyed at all the nonsense.
Appreciate the honesty you’re right and you do have to spend more money to get your truck the way you want but at least it will be the way you want it and then you got that Toyota reliability. I’ve have 8 new Toyota trucks they all have been gas, oil tires never any problems so far so good on my 22 limited 4x4 crewmax 6.5 ft bed all the options 12k miles on it so far.
Best video u ever made. Check out the 23 Nissan pro 4X. Fender system, totally loaded and it’s engineered right!
I had my 22 SR5 for 5 months and traded it off. Looks aside, the truck seemed to be built cheap, there was multiple air leaks that new seals didn’t fix and the longer I had it the more unhappy I was.
I’ve got a silver 1794 w TRD. I think mine looks great but would agree some others don’t look as good. I love driving the truck around. I love being in it. I used to have a jeep Grand Cherokee so it’s a step up for me. But there are misses. Remote start. HVAC fans are bad (I took it in to be fixed and they said that’s just how it is). back of the steering wheel doesn’t heat up. The app signs me out. The native OS is bad - 14inch screen but no dashboard? They could put lots of different info on it at once. Interior lighting is bad. Gas mileage is bad. All that said, it brings me joy 🤷♂️ I’d do it again.
I like the Silverado can't wait for the reviews
Too early to tell. After a few months we’ll have the answer. Looking forward to the videos
My 2023 SR5 TRD sport comes in at the end of the month. I’ve never owned a truck so might not be as picky. I just hate chrome and love that lunar rock color. Hope i like it!