Beastmaster Teimos: "I was working with my animals one day and by Crom I blinked and all of a sudden I was in a strange barn with a bunch of other people who look to be me. We all stared at each other confused. This woman would come up to us and tell us to say. She force fed me and others and wouldn't stop while she let others starve. I saw her make another person who looked like me appear than she investigated him and he was so confused, but then she killed him with a stare. We all grew quiet and began to pray to Mitra this would end. I do not know from what world or alternate realities these brothers of mine were from, but I could see they were all afraid just like me."
So using the higher grade cooked food pictured on their inventory table, gruel to improved gruel, roast haunch to exotic feast… They don’t give higher than 14% do they?
@FireSpark81 the ironic part about this video is that the food buff you gave them is +14% chance of Vit and after all the testing, your food group gained 4 more points in Vit (on average), which was a growth of 14%. You went on to ask if it was worth it because it was only 4 points but 14% is 14%. No one expected it to be greater than that, did we? =P
Nope this is bs, as I went unamed City with my dalinsia today and her strength starts on 15 but I got her to level 20 with her strength sitting at 51 not including perks thats 36 points she gained, thats almost 2 points each level....
i feed all my pets/thralls before i take em out training and i do exactly what you said Fire, i start with low lvl threats and work up to the more powerful feeding after each lvl. glad im doing it right for best results :D
Good one FS, I congrat you on the scientific approach you took. As for is it worth it, to go through the hurdle of levelling them slowly, feeding them almost one food at a time, I would say a middle road approach is to give them a bunch of food once they are past a certain level, because it will also let them regenerate HPs, in a tough fight it can make the difference between losing the thrall (or the fight) or keeping him/her. The unnamed thralls could probably be considered 'nobodies' and that's it. But for a few selected ones, might be worth the pain. Also if you don't consider health regen and only the buff to stats, gruel is not that bad, so a stack of 100 to each thrall can do the trick. Last, you might want to check which foods are giving a bonus to damages etc., I believe there is a whole study to do on this point :)
@@Firespark81 a day without a Sparky CE vid is a day without sunshine. Or not, cause its raining right now and looks like the Mounds of the Dead, so WTF.
Impressive info. Super detailed. I always thought I was insane cause I do excel sheet charts on most games I play to get the most I can out of all details, Seeing someone else do it was very gratifying. Lost of details I had no idea about. you just earned yourself a new sub.
This is how everyone I know levels thralls. Do you find people who don't know this? I dont take food in and out though, too much trouble. Just put it in and leave it. The only thralls I use are teimos and relic hunters. Because duh, they are the best and very ez to collect. So this is the absolute fastest way to level them up. 1) Take fresh thrall and put them down, put on good armor and weapon then fill their inventory with steak if you want them more vitality, gruel if you want them more strenth. Personally I always use gruel because they DONT need the extra vitality. 2) Have them follow and go to the Midnight Grove. Do a quick runthrough, takes 20 mins to finish tops. You inevitably fight ez creatures to start and your thrall will take damage so they wont miss eating for a level before you get to any bosses. ITS THAT EZ By the time you get out with a fresh relic hunter he will be level 9-11. The Beastmaster will be level 12-14 usually, they level much faster. At this point you can take them anywhere you like. I've taken them straight from this point to do wine cellar which is probably the hardest place for a thrall as the bosses do SO MUCH damage to them and they have no problem finishing this dungeon. At this point its impossible for them to get enough XP from a boss kill even to skip a level. After wine cellar I'll go hit Warmakers for a quickly 10 min run through, and then roam around the unnamed city to finish them off. All in all you can easily level up a fresh thrall from 0 - 20 in a couple or three hours.
I've always fed them after every lv up, especially if the stat growth chance was under 90%, for that very reason. It's nice to see that someone took the time to do the science. It's not a big difference but I think every point, even just a few more, can have a big impact. You never know.
You don't have to check whether the thrall is eating every single level, if they are getting damaged they are eating, you can see if they are eating with the plus sign over the stat bar. At low levels, hit them every time after leveling when you don't see the plus sign, because if you have them equipped with good armor and weapon, they might kill before taking damage. Also, do the same with your mount, after they level, get off the mount and hit it, just make sure nobody is looking so they don't call Peta.
Except for the "starting all with the same stat doesn't matter when we want to find the difference" part. I get what he means, but for what he wants to test here, it does matter.
What's actually more important is the initial % of the Stat Increasing, if it starts at 48% then the 14% only takes it to 62%, I normally use those as basic base guards and take them to L10, if its a Thrall I wanna get to L20, I only use Thralls with 70% + in Vitality. You notice in the Group where you fed them the ones in the mid 30's mostly started at 70% +
for those thinking about if its worth it or not a 4 points difference, i have WoW experience here... this makes me remember ppl that are in hardcore guilds doing Mythic content, u always have to bring flask or elixirs to increase your stats, and ive meet a lot of ppl that says its only 50 more strenght it wont matter... well in fact even if its a little ammount its extra damage, even 1 point difference is 1 point you didnt had before, so dont worry about it being 4 points difference, if it were a higher ammount anyways, that would make thralls even more insane... at leaste its a 4 points difference that your enemy might not have, and thats still an advantage, of course if we are working on high quality thralls
I think it's still worth to use food when leveling. It's only a "problem" for admin console users that just want to "level up to 20" and be done with it. When you don't have admin console, then leveling thralls is a long process. And you most likely will have some sort of food on your thrall anyway, so It doesn't take that much extra effort to force-feed them a steak or gruel once or twice on low levels.
Ive been playing alot. And no cheats just leveling Normal but darn does it take long time to level them up. The first 10 goes by kinda fast but the next twn takes forever. So it sucs when i lost 2 level 20 Thralls. Both times i died and for some reason they stood there and got mangled. I ran as fast as possible and my last thrall was standing in the middle of the Dregg Cannibals just getting destroyed not fighting back? When im alive the could wipe them all out alone. Anyways i just keep food on them at all times. Mainly enhanced Groul and hoping it makes a difference but haven't played long enough to tell. You would think the better the food the better the stats but i guess that's not so. Thanks for all the info. You put lots of time in making these videos.
thanks for the informative and entertaining content, when it comes to getting the best out of a build i always look for your vids first thanks again for the great content
What i do as a PvE boy is getting Lian in the conan lands, select only 85% growth in str, going full gruel in and out between each lvl when the +14% doesn't show (because you don't know if it's a bug or not well it's conan) and hope they go for 60-70+ str. Start lvling with low monsters like turtles, then after lvl 5 it's time to spam the unamed city skulls. Lians are T2 for lvling so it's quite done in few hours In siptah i just go with northmen and do the same process
For a long time, I did steak with thralls that had less than a 70% chance in Vit. Yes, feeding them every time they leveled up, because I found that they'd lose their food buff so often. The downside to steak is it's a slow healing food, so it takes a long time for thralls to get their hp back if they get hurt of have a Vit jump. At some point, I just went with gruel, since the fast/cheap healing ended up being as worthwhile as a few extra hp, in the end. And on the Siptah thralls, strength actually helps them do more damage (they need all the help they can get).
A 4 point increase from 24 is 16.6% or very close to the 14% increase indicated on the thrall status page. I'm too lazy to do all the math, but I suspect that it is well within the expected range given the low level of statistical significance you are getting with only 20 samples. TLDR: The size of the increase in vitality you saw from giving them grilled steak every time is pretty much just what it should be, about 14%.
This DOES matter, especially consider the thralls who get a massive HP boost per each point of VIT. It's still a gamble, but even a 4 point difference can mean hundreds or thousands of hit points on the right thrall. And if you WIN that gamble, you can end up with a Teimos who has tens of thousands of HP. That's worth the time and effort, especially given how easy he is to get.
true , the same can be said on a relic hunter which usually have a poor STR on start same for vit . and yeah 4 points is a deal especially if u get poor perks . Anyway most of us level their thralls like that . Useful tips are always useful , now we know what we get by training as efficently as possible our thralls . I'd say that everybit of stats does matter in a long run, just my opinion on this we can argue bout that ofc .
I always take the time to feed thralls after each lvl up and when first placing them, and will continue to do so. A 4 point difference does not sound alot, but in my opinion still worth the effort. That and praying to holy Set they don't get a thrall breaking perk lol. Great video thanks for the upload
If you have more than one stack of food in your Thrall's inventory then taking all the food out and putting it all back in, will lead to losing one food item of each stack. A good workaround to avoid waste is to move just one of the stacks to a free slot in the inventory to get the +% growth chance buff back.
To get yer thrall to eat between each level you can remove/equip a HP boosting armor to make them want to heal, or you can wait an hour for their damage buff to expire to make them want to renew the damage buff from food.
All this is well and good, but RNG made a Bearer III of mine end up having over 11k health. No idea how it happened, but her stats make all my named thralls look weak and she is a pack mule too. Her vitality growth is 34 or 39%, but it seemed like she got it every level.
Probably worth mentioning that this is the same for pets. The food is different, but the boost/effect is the same. At least in my experience of training horses.
Every little bit counts in Conan. Especially on official pvp servers. I personally level strength on my thralls but 14% higher on any stat that you are leveling is worth it. Makes it really worth it when you get that god roll thrall with tons of the stat you are shooting for.
After they level I just smack them with my pick a couple times and then they eat that's the fastest way I found to make sure they eat after every level
This makes so much sense. I was wondering why sometimes when I looked at my thralls stats that I didn't see the buff even though they had food. I thought it was a glitch.
Ever since the thrall leveling system came out and you did a video about the correct way to feed them ive been doing it the right way ever since and my thralls have always been fukn better than others in so many raids or fights lol And That was like a year ago lol
Took you a while to do this one man. I did my own tests like this when levelling thrallls first came out. Have a few runs where I levels them and take advantage of the food. I even hit my own thrallls to make them eat to get the bonus. Just didn't want my meticulous system let out of the bag.. 😉
Statistically speaking as a rule, the lower the base chance the more impact the eating the food will have. Obviously, with it only being 20 levels the variance may not even be noticeable. However +14% chance matters way more if the base chance is say 36% than if the base chance is 72%
You can force feed them like you would to give them the sated buff to heal after a fight. I've also noticed that occasionally, that old bug where they will not eat no matter what (even when hurt) can appear and you have to remove the food from their inventory and add it back in -_-
Hmmmm.... I have generally had the policy to add food for Stats for which the Thralls chance is low, expecially Vitality and Agility (sometimes also Survival). I think that generally you want a Value above 10 for Agility and Survival and between 15 and 25 for Vitality. I usually start off killing Crocs.
Best you could possibly have for a good thrall is every single bonus going towards strength. With decent armor vitality, agility, none of that is an issue. So the only thing that matters is how fast they can kill things and thats all in strength. For example I give my thralls silent legion armor and a telith's sorrow, pack them full of gruel and send them to work. When I hit level 10 I check their perk. If its not strength or at least health, i strip their armor, kill them, and drop a fresh thrall. If they get any archery or survival perks same thing.
@FireSpark81 Question : Conan Exiles have you done a video on the Minion Damage Taken Modifier and Minion Damage Modifier I was told both those settings have been disabled since 2017
I can't help to wonder if other foods will give better perks. You think better food would. I tried putting enhanced gruel in the wheel of pain, thinking in a way like more protein the stronger the thrall. Imagine Arnold being feed grass or enhanced Gruel while he was on the wheel of pain, of course the enhanced would make him way stronger. Guess i putting to much reality in it lol. Didnt work that way though. Wish i had a Pc because doing these test are so much easier. I guess the better foods are only good after leveling a thrall to 20 for the health bonuses.
I normally feed them one type of food and switch in between them one at time after each level no matter if its gruel or grilled steaks then I use healing arrows on your thrall give back to full health. Does the cook pork rings still work because I give that to with gruel.?
Yeah, I think most people already knew this, but I'm not sure if anyone created a video about it and explaining it in detail, so the video still serves a purpose, but the title of the video is a tad presumptious. I take that back, not the title of the video, but the giant warning on the video thumbnail, which is what I noticed, not the title of the video.
when i level a new thrall i make sure to only attack very low level mobs like baby shale backs and regular shalebacks. the worst part is because its a % chance, even feeding them can fail to get a high stat score.
I've been doing this for a long time anyway, noticed if you didn't remove food that the percentage to gain wasn't there after a level up, so I started removing food and re-feeding.
Makes the difference if the result is 28 or 34, because the 30+ gives the thrall a perk that the 28 will not give. Thralls get the same perks that the player so it's important to know that 29 and 30 has a big difference even when is just a +1. Also right now with the new attributes and perks, with +20 on authority and the thrall benefit of the 1st 20th authority's perk he will take a nice boost on the attributes, if you have 20 on strenght he will gain +20 on strenght too.
I've been using gruel and thought the same thing, so I started taking food out sliding it into another inventory as I go witch did until I get them to lv 10.
How to increase the chance to improve Vitality? The Grilled Steak increases Strenght :o. Also, can I make my thrall vomit the wrong food when I made a mistake?
Hey Firespark81! I'm doing my first series of videos on TH-cam ..Barbaric difficulty nomadic playthrough (no crafting or building) and I followed your video (easy levelling) buying the Thrall in flotsam for 100coin. My goal is to remove the bracelet without dying once or my thrall dying. I want my thrall with as much Vitality as possible....so every level up counts then...interesting...
Idk if it matters that much as long as they dont die and you just keep food on them because the potion that rerolls thier stats can make all the difference. I had a bearer 3 that ended with around maybe 7k hp feeding them a mix between steak and gruel then just used the potions until i ended up with like 14k hp
So food variety no longer makes a difference in thrall progression?? Generally confused. Was doing the exotic shellfish and gruel combo but hear thats absolete after the update that came with siptah
The diet shown gives them better healing values as it moves across the table listed on the thrall. Each type of food gives a different type of "chance" bonus buff (some is no buff) for the type of stat that you want the thrall to gain points in. That is not a guarantee it will get those points, just a percentage buff. Food recipes matter more for your sated buff or level 20 thralls. Meals typically give better HPS regen than steaks or just berries. He was using steak because it gives the VIT buff he wanted. If you want them to have some other stat buff feed them other foods and check the stats. You can force feed them food, sigils and potions (not wraps) by using it while the item is in their inventory.
I’ve been doing this all along. I’m glad you confirmed what I was doing to be correct. I do wonder if the rate of leveling impacts the Perks though. I tend to speed level them with the Ice Giants. Clan mates have leveled with lower hp and had better results with perks...coincidental or not?
Thralls should level passively as well. No, not that they gain an x amount of xp/h but that they get experience for every fight they take a part in. Sure, a non-follower /guardian thrall should get reduced xp, but the thrall should get at least some xp. As it is now, thrall-leveling is tedious and hardly worth it. I'd even argue that it should be easier to level up an exile t1 thrall than a relic hunter t1. So, with each tier of thrall they level slower, but you'd also gain more out of it in the end, so while an exile thrall levels the fastest, this thrall could never be best, but let's say can end up at best in the low-mid section, having better results with each increase in faction. This way you would still "upgrade" your thralls, but even early thralls would have somewhat of a place.
The question I have and cant seem to find an answer to (hopefully in this video and i havent gotten there yet) is, when they level do they only level into 1 attribute at a time? Or can they level in multiple attributes at the same time. Example: if they have 100% chance to increase strength and vitality, 65% in accuracy and survival etc, will strength and vitality increase as well as having a 65%chance that survival and whatever else will increase too? Or do they increase in only 1 stat at a time? Like if 1 stat is at 100% obviously that stat will increase but if it rolls at 45% for another will that increase as well? I'm sure I'm butchering this and making it sound confusing lol. Any answers or help would be appreciated. Just started playing the game and am pretty hooked lol. Love the videos man.
In my experience, every stat (strength, agility, vitality...etc) roll independently per level, so they can all go up per level. I also noticed my undead that starts at 0 strength is now level 15 with 20 strength before perks, so it seems some stats roll more than once per level
@@Hematite-Heart I was hoping that was the case. Best way to put it! They roll independently. Thank you! Could have summed up my post so much better lol. I really do hope that is the case. If not I'll just keep pretending it is lol. Thanks for the reply!
i'm a bit late but the wiki says something about that: "upon leveling, each point of several will be added to a base stat. The number of added points is random, but seem to average around 5 per level.". It's under the "Combat Thrall Leveling" section on conanexiles(.)gamepedia(.)com/Thrall
Meh, just going to keep throwing gruel on them and hope for the best. Maybe I'll do your method for a Dalinsia or Lian but it just seems like too much effort for such little gain.
Yeah as he said himself in most cases if they take any damage they will eat anyway. For the first 1-3 levelups you can also just move the Gruel to another spot within their inventory to make sure.
So ik its a bit late and it wouldnt make sense to post this on a not conan video but my thrall has an 85% vit growth and hes getting 2 per level... is there a separate growth leveler thats hidden? Hes lvl 3 and gained 5 vit already
Not meaning to make this sound like an insult because I know your love for spreadsheets, but I think Funcom kept that food buff that low to keep the game fun and to keep folks from playing "spreadsheets with swords" and also to trim down the previous problem of thralls being the bigger heroes than the pcs.
I don’t believe that you can put them on the station after you have set them out to level them up. I think they have to go right from the wheel to your inventory to the station they are going to work on.
@Firespark81 are you sure the bonuses are completely random? I have not used a control group, but it seems as though if thralls are fed specific foods the bonuses they get are usually related to the stat I'm aiming for. Like, it might not always be the best vitality bonus they could get, but would have something to do with it.
Every tame has a list of foods that gives em bonuses. Its up on the wiki if you wana look it up but for example the reaper queen gets 14% from exquisite meat but 14%vit from savory meat. Also human is 7% agility and 7% vit
You're 100% right. They're not that random. Only partially. I've been doing this since I started this game and have consistently noted that you can directly affect the types of perks you're going to get. You obviously can't determine the exact ones. So that's random, but you can gauge if you're working toward your vitality perk, or if you're causing your thralls to get perseverance too often, or agility perks, etc. You can affect those, by helping certain stats reach certain thresholds in time, and not over level or be under leveled too far above/behind other stats. It's also noticable that Accuracy and partially vitality don't affect that threshold above/below thing though for some reason. Although You can tell if you get vit perks as a potential outcome or not, and you can tell if you might get archery stuff, which that stat seems to correlate somehow to relatively even stats with too high STR, or overly low Agility when the Acc is below or at 9/10. Etc. So it's not that random.
Sooo much time an effort im happy you did this must have took a fair enough of time much appreciated. Can thralls get bonuses to there professions for leveling up?? Or can you not use them in that way if you do (smithy, alchemist)
Anyone know how to prevent thralls/animals from grabbing all the food from the feeding box? i specifically gave gruel to my thrall and later i find her with steak or cooked fish in their inventory, i need to know if theres a way to exclude some followers from feeding
if you go to the wiki, different foods give different bonuses. You can get a +14% buff on a single stat or a +7% buff on two stats. I know for some pets, you can get a +7/+3/3 % buff on three stats. Anyways, go to wiki and make sure you a pop up blocker or your eyes will bleed. I recommend that you look over Wak and Kiah's videos as well and experiment in single player game with the Sys Admin panel to see what happens so you are comfortable with 'rules as written' by the developers.
Idk what console ur on but for ps4 I just hold square on the chest. So just hold square or whatever ur interact button is on the chest and one of the options is to lock
After the thralls have a few levels (gators, shalebacks, etc.), you can loop around The Forgotten City pf Xel-ha area killing apes and gorillas endlessly.
Beastmaster Teimos: "I was working with my animals one day and by Crom I blinked and all of a sudden I was in a strange barn with a bunch of other people who look to be me. We all stared at each other confused. This woman would come up to us and tell us to say. She force fed me and others and wouldn't stop while she let others starve. I saw her make another person who looked like me appear than she investigated him and he was so confused, but then she killed him with a stare. We all grew quiet and began to pray to Mitra this would end. I do not know from what world or alternate realities these brothers of mine were from, but I could see they were all afraid just like me."
Good show sir!
Excellent
sounds a drowish adventure to me . . .
this journal are more misterious than razma journal
🤔 Looks like this is the Witch Queen's doing....
Thank you for taking the time to do this
So using the higher grade cooked food pictured on their inventory table, gruel to improved gruel, roast haunch to exotic feast… They don’t give higher than 14% do they?
@FireSpark81 the ironic part about this video is that the food buff you gave them is +14% chance of Vit and after all the testing, your food group gained 4 more points in Vit (on average), which was a growth of 14%. You went on to ask if it was worth it because it was only 4 points but 14% is 14%. No one expected it to be greater than that, did we? =P
start your fighter off slow, make sure they eat every level, earn that extra 4 vit....then watch them get the -5 vit +8 acc perk at 20 lol
Never fails lol
You don't have to level them slow for them to eat the food, after leveling my dalinsia today her strength is insane
Nope this is bs, as I went unamed City with my dalinsia today and her strength starts on 15 but I got her to level 20 with her strength sitting at 51 not including perks thats 36 points she gained, thats almost 2 points each level....
I swearrrr bro
THAT IS LITERALLY JUST WHAT HAPPENED TO MY THRALL JUST YESTERDAY! RUINED THE FOOL
Great that I learn this AFTER I level 24 thralls to level 20...
Better to have leveled 24 to 20 than 1 to 8 lol
i feed all my pets/thralls before i take em out training and i do exactly what you said Fire, i start with low lvl threats and work up to the more powerful feeding after each lvl. glad im doing it right for best results :D
Good one FS, I congrat you on the scientific approach you took. As for is it worth it, to go through the hurdle of levelling them slowly, feeding them almost one food at a time, I would say a middle road approach is to give them a bunch of food once they are past a certain level, because it will also let them regenerate HPs, in a tough fight it can make the difference between losing the thrall (or the fight) or keeping him/her. The unnamed thralls could probably be considered 'nobodies' and that's it. But for a few selected ones, might be worth the pain. Also if you don't consider health regen and only the buff to stats, gruel is not that bad, so a stack of 100 to each thrall can do the trick. Last, you might want to check which foods are giving a bonus to damages etc., I believe there is a whole study to do on this point :)
Miss your conan videos back in the day I'd wait for them made me the pro I am today thanks for everything you did
Glad you like them!
@@Firespark81 a day without a Sparky CE vid is a day without sunshine. Or not, cause its raining right now and looks like the Mounds of the Dead, so WTF.
Thanks FireSpark, that was a hellofalotta work for you to do! appreciate it!
Videos like this really set you apart from the crowd!
Impressive info.
Super detailed. I always thought I was insane cause I do excel sheet charts on most games I play to get the most I can out of all details, Seeing someone else do it was very gratifying.
Lost of details I had no idea about. you just earned yourself a new sub.
Sparky, Wak, and Kiah are real go to's for CE. There is a lot of broken mechanics and Firespark is very good at examining it.
Man your videos are so pro and so good. Gj. Hope you get some money of it, you deserve for sure!
This is how everyone I know levels thralls. Do you find people who don't know this? I dont take food in and out though, too much trouble. Just put it in and leave it. The only thralls I use are teimos and relic hunters. Because duh, they are the best and very ez to collect. So this is the absolute fastest way to level them up.
1) Take fresh thrall and put them down, put on good armor and weapon then fill their inventory with steak if you want them more vitality, gruel if you want them more strenth. Personally I always use gruel because they DONT need the extra vitality.
2) Have them follow and go to the Midnight Grove. Do a quick runthrough, takes 20 mins to finish tops. You inevitably fight ez creatures to start and your thrall will take damage so they wont miss eating for a level before you get to any bosses.
ITS THAT EZ
By the time you get out with a fresh relic hunter he will be level 9-11. The Beastmaster will be level 12-14 usually, they level much faster. At this point you can take them anywhere you like. I've taken them straight from this point to do wine cellar which is probably the hardest place for a thrall as the bosses do SO MUCH damage to them and they have no problem finishing this dungeon. At this point its impossible for them to get enough XP from a boss kill even to skip a level. After wine cellar I'll go hit Warmakers for a quickly 10 min run through, and then roam around the unnamed city to finish them off. All in all you can easily level up a fresh thrall from 0 - 20 in a couple or three hours.
I've always fed them after every lv up, especially if the stat growth chance was under 90%, for that very reason. It's nice to see that someone took the time to do the science. It's not a big difference but I think every point, even just a few more, can have a big impact. You never know.
You don't have to check whether the thrall is eating every single level, if they are getting damaged they are eating, you can see if they are eating with the plus sign over the stat bar. At low levels, hit them every time after leveling when you don't see the plus sign, because if you have them equipped with good armor and weapon, they might kill before taking damage. Also, do the same with your mount, after they level, get off the mount and hit it, just make sure nobody is looking so they don't call Peta.
LOLOLOLOL
At early levels you need to be very careful in making sure they eat. Because sometimes they won’t take damage but level up.
lolz, I am putting your quote in my CE notes. If anyone calls PETA, I am sure a taskmaster can break them on a wheel of friendship.
A very scientific approach to your method of testing Firespark! I'm impressed, good job!
Except for the "starting all with the same stat doesn't matter when we want to find the difference" part.
I get what he means, but for what he wants to test here, it does matter.
What's actually more important is the initial % of the Stat Increasing, if it starts at 48% then the 14% only takes it to 62%, I normally use those as basic base guards and take them to L10, if its a Thrall I wanna get to L20, I only use Thralls with 70% + in Vitality. You notice in the Group where you fed them the ones in the mid 30's mostly started at 70% +
Thank you for taking the time to test this. Great work as always.
the gods praise your dedication, exile.
A great service to humanity. Thank you kind sir.
for those thinking about if its worth it or not a 4 points difference, i have WoW experience here... this makes me remember ppl that are in hardcore guilds doing Mythic content, u always have to bring flask or elixirs to increase your stats, and ive meet a lot of ppl that says its only 50 more strenght it wont matter... well in fact even if its a little ammount its extra damage, even 1 point difference is 1 point you didnt had before, so dont worry about it being 4 points difference, if it were a higher ammount anyways, that would make thralls even more insane... at leaste its a 4 points difference that your enemy might not have, and thats still an advantage, of course if we are working on high quality thralls
Totally agree
I admire how much work you put into testing things out. Much appreciated ☺️
I think it's still worth to use food when leveling. It's only a "problem" for admin console users that just want to "level up to 20" and be done with it.
When you don't have admin console, then leveling thralls is a long process. And you most likely will have some sort of food on your thrall anyway, so It doesn't take that much extra effort to force-feed them a steak or gruel once or twice on low levels.
Thank You, Your videos make playing Conan Exiles more fun.
Ive been playing alot. And no cheats just leveling Normal but darn does it take long time to level them up. The first 10 goes by kinda fast but the next twn takes forever. So it sucs when i lost 2 level 20 Thralls. Both times i died and for some reason they stood there and got mangled. I ran as fast as possible and my last thrall was standing in the middle of the Dregg Cannibals just getting destroyed not fighting back? When im alive the could wipe them all out alone. Anyways i just keep food on them at all times. Mainly enhanced Groul and hoping it makes a difference but haven't played long enough to tell. You would think the better the food the better the stats but i guess that's not so. Thanks for all the info. You put lots of time in making these videos.
thanks for the informative and entertaining content, when it comes to getting the best out of a build i always look for your vids first thanks again for the great content
What i do as a PvE boy is getting Lian in the conan lands, select only 85% growth in str, going full gruel in and out between each lvl when the +14% doesn't show (because you don't know if it's a bug or not well it's conan) and hope they go for 60-70+ str.
Start lvling with low monsters like turtles, then after lvl 5 it's time to spam the unamed city skulls. Lians are T2 for lvling so it's quite done in few hours
In siptah i just go with northmen and do the same process
Very good job man, thanks for a detailed explanation. My respect
Liked and subscribed! Loved how you presented the info.
For a long time, I did steak with thralls that had less than a 70% chance in Vit. Yes, feeding them every time they leveled up, because I found that they'd lose their food buff so often. The downside to steak is it's a slow healing food, so it takes a long time for thralls to get their hp back if they get hurt of have a Vit jump. At some point, I just went with gruel, since the fast/cheap healing ended up being as worthwhile as a few extra hp, in the end. And on the Siptah thralls, strength actually helps them do more damage (they need all the help they can get).
What give a bonus to str when leveling?
@@taiming71 gruel does
@@DoctaMeff Thanks
A 4 point increase from 24 is 16.6% or very close to the 14% increase indicated on the thrall status page. I'm too lazy to do all the math, but I suspect that it is well within the expected range given the low level of statistical significance you are getting with only 20 samples.
TLDR: The size of the increase in vitality you saw from giving them grilled steak every time is pretty much just what it should be, about 14%.
Any plans to do this w/ 3.0 thralls?
This DOES matter, especially consider the thralls who get a massive HP boost per each point of VIT.
It's still a gamble, but even a 4 point difference can mean hundreds or thousands of hit points on the right thrall.
And if you WIN that gamble, you can end up with a Teimos who has tens of thousands of HP. That's worth the time and effort, especially given how easy he is to get.
true , the same can be said on a relic hunter which usually have a poor STR on start same for vit . and yeah 4 points is a deal especially if u get poor perks . Anyway most of us level their thralls like that . Useful tips are always useful , now we know what we get by training as efficently as possible our thralls . I'd say that everybit of stats does matter in a long run, just my opinion on this we can argue bout that ofc .
This a great vid, cheers dude 🤘🏼
I always take the time to feed thralls after each lvl up and when first placing them, and will continue to do so. A 4 point difference does not sound alot, but in my opinion still worth the effort.
That and praying to holy Set they don't get a thrall breaking perk lol. Great video thanks for the upload
If you have more than one stack of food in your Thrall's inventory then taking all the food out and putting it all back in, will lead to losing one food item of each stack. A good workaround to avoid waste is to move just one of the stacks to a free slot in the inventory to get the +% growth chance buff back.
That way you also loose one food item. Its basically the same
lol Another great video from Firespark proving that Conan is totally broken :) Ty
Excellent analysis. Thank you for your thorough testing. Much appreciated - and thanks to Bevan L. saying that he's seen the same apply to pets.
To get yer thrall to eat between each level you can remove/equip a HP boosting armor to make them want to heal, or you can wait an hour for their damage buff to expire to make them want to renew the damage buff from food.
All this is well and good, but RNG made a Bearer III of mine end up having over 11k health. No idea how it happened, but her stats make all my named thralls look weak and she is a pack mule too. Her vitality growth is 34 or 39%, but it seemed like she got it every level.
My Bearer ended up with over 19, 000 health. I call him Malek the Tank. He's my FAV
Yep but they do way less damage than fighters.
Probably worth mentioning that this is the same for pets. The food is different, but the boost/effect is the same. At least in my experience of training horses.
Yup!
Every little bit counts in Conan. Especially on official pvp servers. I personally level strength on my thralls but 14% higher on any stat that you are leveling is worth it. Makes it really worth it when you get that god roll thrall with tons of the stat you are shooting for.
After they level I just smack them with my pick a couple times and then they eat that's the fastest way I found to make sure they eat after every level
True slaver here:-D
This makes so much sense. I was wondering why sometimes when I looked at my thralls stats that I didn't see the buff even though they had food. I thought it was a glitch.
Ever since the thrall leveling system came out and you did a video about the correct way to feed them ive been doing it the right way ever since and my thralls have always been fukn better than others in so many raids or fights lol And That was like a year ago lol
Excellent. I've noticed and suspected all this, now I have confirmation.
It's almost like you could say it's about 14% better to feed every level
Took you a while to do this one man. I did my own tests like this when levelling thrallls first came out. Have a few runs where I levels them and take advantage of the food. I even hit my own thrallls to make them eat to get the bonus.
Just didn't want my meticulous system let out of the bag.. 😉
Always informative, thank you.
that was very articulate of you.
The big take away is the starting %. Most the 30 pluses are from 70% and up.
Thralls should be focused on strength or vitality? As fighters
An objectively useful video. Thank you
Statistically speaking as a rule, the lower the base chance the more impact the eating the food will have. Obviously, with it only being 20 levels the variance may not even be noticeable. However +14% chance matters way more if the base chance is say 36% than if the base chance is 72%
True True.
Not necessarily, I've noticed the closer to 100% (or over) the better chance they have of getting 2 points in one level up.
Have you ever compared choosing a +14 growth food vs a +7.3.3 type food?
You can force feed them like you would to give them the sated buff to heal after a fight. I've also noticed that occasionally, that old bug where they will not eat no matter what (even when hurt) can appear and you have to remove the food from their inventory and add it back in -_-
Yes but force feeding them does not trigger the bonus. Its different. They have to auto eat to get the bonus.
defently have to appreciate your work and calucaltions:)
Hmmmm.... I have generally had the policy to add food for Stats for which the Thralls chance is low, expecially Vitality and Agility (sometimes also Survival). I think that generally you want a Value above 10 for Agility and Survival and between 15 and 25 for Vitality. I usually start off killing Crocs.
Best you could possibly have for a good thrall is every single bonus going towards strength. With decent armor vitality, agility, none of that is an issue. So the only thing that matters is how fast they can kill things and thats all in strength. For example I give my thralls silent legion armor and a telith's sorrow, pack them full of gruel and send them to work. When I hit level 10 I check their perk. If its not strength or at least health, i strip their armor, kill them, and drop a fresh thrall. If they get any archery or survival perks same thing.
@FireSpark81 Question : Conan Exiles have you done a video on the Minion Damage Taken Modifier and Minion Damage Modifier I was told both those settings have been disabled since 2017
I can't help to wonder if other foods will give better perks. You think better food would. I tried putting enhanced gruel in the wheel of pain, thinking in a way like more protein the stronger the thrall. Imagine Arnold being feed grass or enhanced Gruel while he was on the wheel of pain, of course the enhanced would make him way stronger. Guess i putting to much reality in it lol. Didnt work that way though. Wish i had a Pc because doing these test are so much easier. I guess the better foods are only good after leveling a thrall to 20 for the health bonuses.
Been doing this but good if you tryna tell everyone everything, can’t wait to pvp you one day
I normally feed them one type of food and switch in between them one at time after each level no matter if its gruel or grilled steaks then I use healing arrows on your thrall give back to full health. Does the cook pork rings still work because I give that to with gruel.?
This is exactly how I level my Thralls, I thought this was how everyone leveled their thralls, who doesn’t do it this way?
yes, I do that too. Some love just after the leveling (so before the next) adjust the food.
Yeah, I think most people already knew this, but I'm not sure if anyone created a video about it and explaining it in detail, so the video still serves a purpose, but the title of the video is a tad presumptious. I take that back, not the title of the video, but the giant warning on the video thumbnail, which is what I noticed, not the title of the video.
Has anybody ever thought his intros are like the terms and conditions at the end of a radio advert?
How do you get the Slaveforged Ceremonial that red? When I dye mine it comes out pinstriped...
He might be using the fashionist mod. You can dye items with out resorting to in-game dyes with it.
Who’s the best thrall to use for combat right now?
Lians
@firespark81 how to make horse inf stamina ?
when i level a new thrall i make sure to only attack very low level mobs like baby shale backs and regular shalebacks. the worst part is because its a % chance, even feeding them can fail to get a high stat score.
Late, but this had been really helpful, thank you!
I've been doing this for a long time anyway, noticed if you didn't remove food that the percentage to gain wasn't there after a level up, so I started removing food and re-feeding.
Makes the difference if the result is 28 or 34, because the 30+ gives the thrall a perk that the 28 will not give. Thralls get the same perks that the player so it's important to know that 29 and 30 has a big difference even when is just a +1. Also right now with the new attributes and perks, with +20 on authority and the thrall benefit of the 1st 20th authority's perk he will take a nice boost on the attributes, if you have 20 on strenght he will gain +20 on strenght too.
How do you feed the thrall in a black Smith station, curious
u dont
I've been using gruel and thought the same thing, so I started taking food out sliding it into another inventory as I go witch did until I get them to lv 10.
would you please test this with pets aswell, just to make sure it works for both?
It is. I could have told you this with out the testing
Lol why? Its exactly the same... -.-
How to increase the chance to improve Vitality? The Grilled Steak increases Strenght :o. Also, can I make my thrall vomit the wrong food when I made a mistake?
Hey Firespark81! I'm doing my first series of videos on TH-cam ..Barbaric difficulty nomadic playthrough (no crafting or building) and I followed your video (easy levelling) buying the Thrall in flotsam for 100coin. My goal is to remove the bracelet without dying once or my thrall dying. I want my thrall with as much Vitality as possible....so every level up counts then...interesting...
More important is his starting %. Get 40% in vit and all the pts are going elsewhere. That 14% bump is marginal compared to the starting pt
Idk if it matters that much as long as they dont die and you just keep food on them because the potion that rerolls thier stats can make all the difference. I had a bearer 3 that ended with around maybe 7k hp feeding them a mix between steak and gruel then just used the potions until i ended up with like 14k hp
So food variety no longer makes a difference in thrall progression?? Generally confused. Was doing the exotic shellfish and gruel combo but hear thats absolete after the update that came with siptah
The diet shown gives them better healing values as it moves across the table listed on the thrall. Each type of food gives a different type of "chance" bonus buff (some is no buff) for the type of stat that you want the thrall to gain points in. That is not a guarantee it will get those points, just a percentage buff. Food recipes matter more for your sated buff or level 20 thralls.
Meals typically give better HPS regen than steaks or just berries. He was using steak because it gives the VIT buff he wanted. If you want them to have some other stat buff feed them other foods and check the stats. You can force feed them food, sigils and potions (not wraps) by using it while the item is in their inventory.
You feed them the 14% strength good during leveling. Once they get max rank… then switch to best healing food. Same goes for horses.
I’ve been doing this all along. I’m glad you confirmed what I was doing to be correct. I do wonder if the rate of leveling impacts the Perks though. I tend to speed level them with the Ice Giants. Clan mates have leveled with lower hp and had better results with perks...coincidental or not?
Mmmm look at all those Teimos'. That's a lovely collection of gigantic health bars you have there ;)
It's not really about the average though is it? It is about getting that 35.
Thralls should level passively as well. No, not that they gain an x amount of xp/h but that they get experience for every fight they take a part in. Sure, a non-follower /guardian thrall should get reduced xp, but the thrall should get at least some xp.
As it is now, thrall-leveling is tedious and hardly worth it. I'd even argue that it should be easier to level up an exile t1 thrall than a relic hunter t1. So, with each tier of thrall they level slower, but you'd also gain more out of it in the end, so while an exile thrall levels the fastest, this thrall could never be best, but let's say can end up at best in the low-mid section, having better results with each increase in faction.
This way you would still "upgrade" your thralls, but even early thralls would have somewhat of a place.
The question I have and cant seem to find an answer to (hopefully in this video and i havent gotten there yet) is, when they level do they only level into 1 attribute at a time? Or can they level in multiple attributes at the same time.
Example: if they have 100% chance to increase strength and vitality, 65% in accuracy and survival etc, will strength and vitality increase as well as having a 65%chance that survival and whatever else will increase too? Or do they increase in only 1 stat at a time? Like if 1 stat is at 100% obviously that stat will increase but if it rolls at 45% for another will that increase as well? I'm sure I'm butchering this and making it sound confusing lol. Any answers or help would be appreciated. Just started playing the game and am pretty hooked lol. Love the videos man.
In my experience, every stat (strength, agility, vitality...etc) roll independently per level, so they can all go up per level. I also noticed my undead that starts at 0 strength is now level 15 with 20 strength before perks, so it seems some stats roll more than once per level
@@Hematite-Heart I was hoping that was the case. Best way to put it! They roll independently. Thank you! Could have summed up my post so much better lol. I really do hope that is the case. If not I'll just keep pretending it is lol. Thanks for the reply!
i'm a bit late but the wiki says something about that: "upon leveling, each point of several will be added to a base stat. The number of added points is random, but seem to average around 5 per level.".
It's under the "Combat Thrall Leveling" section on conanexiles(.)gamepedia(.)com/Thrall
Meh, just going to keep throwing gruel on them and hope for the best. Maybe I'll do your method for a Dalinsia or Lian but it just seems like too much effort for such little gain.
Yeah as he said himself in most cases if they take any damage they will eat anyway.
For the first 1-3 levelups you can also just move the Gruel to another spot within their inventory to make sure.
please can you tell me what mod you use for the HP lvl and mobs names etc?
Hasavs UI
It does seem to work right, the number showed about a 14% growth as advertised
Great analysis!
So ik its a bit late and it wouldnt make sense to post this on a not conan video but my thrall has an 85% vit growth and hes getting 2 per level... is there a separate growth leveler thats hidden? Hes lvl 3 and gained 5 vit already
Deang you are just crazy
Not meaning to make this sound like an insult because I know your love for spreadsheets, but I think Funcom kept that food buff that low to keep the game fun and to keep folks from playing "spreadsheets with swords" and also to trim down the previous problem of thralls being the bigger heroes than the pcs.
This has nothing to do with Thralls being bigger heros or not. This about weather the food buff really makes a difference.
Thanks for the great video. What kind of scripting / macros did you use to do it ?
Well done man 🤘🏻
Is it worth leveling blacksmiths ect or just fighters?
I don’t believe that you can put them on the station after you have set them out to level them up. I think they have to go right from the wheel to your inventory to the station they are going to work on.
@@waywardson911 I put him straight on the blacksmith I didn't think I'd be able to get him back in my inventory if I placed him
I couldn't place my carpenter down, had to put him in thrall slot.
@Firespark81 are you sure the bonuses are completely random? I have not used a control group, but it seems as though if thralls are fed specific foods the bonuses they get are usually related to the stat I'm aiming for. Like, it might not always be the best vitality bonus they could get, but would have something to do with it.
Every tame has a list of foods that gives em bonuses. Its up on the wiki if you wana look it up but for example the reaper queen gets 14% from exquisite meat but 14%vit from savory meat. Also human is 7% agility and 7% vit
Yes. Completely random. Seems blah blah blah, no. It's completely random.
You're 100% right. They're not that random. Only partially. I've been doing this since I started this game and have consistently noted that you can directly affect the types of perks you're going to get. You obviously can't determine the exact ones. So that's random, but you can gauge if you're working toward your vitality perk, or if you're causing your thralls to get perseverance too often, or agility perks, etc. You can affect those, by helping certain stats reach certain thresholds in time, and not over level or be under leveled too far above/behind other stats. It's also noticable that Accuracy and partially vitality don't affect that threshold above/below thing though for some reason. Although You can tell if you get vit perks as a potential outcome or not, and you can tell if you might get archery stuff, which that stat seems to correlate somehow to relatively even stats with too high STR, or overly low Agility when the Acc is below or at 9/10. Etc. So it's not that random.
@@jungleinsectspikewall4474 ya, I know. Not what I asked though. Thanks.
Sooo much time an effort im happy you did this must have took a fair enough of time much appreciated. Can thralls get bonuses to there professions for leveling up?? Or can you not use them in that way if you do (smithy, alchemist)
Anyone know how to prevent thralls/animals from grabbing all the food from the feeding box? i specifically gave gruel to my thrall and later i find her with steak or cooked fish in their inventory, i need to know if theres a way to exclude some followers from feeding
Fill their inventories with stones leaving only a single slot for food.
@@Firespark81 But how about pets who grab food they can't eat?
@@Bubbles99718 I would just put food in their inventory, like you are hand feeding a difficult and sulky pet.
So what food gives most xp str vit?
if you go to the wiki, different foods give different bonuses. You can get a +14% buff on a single stat or a +7% buff on two stats. I know for some pets, you can get a +7/+3/3 % buff on three stats. Anyways, go to wiki and make sure you a pop up blocker or your eyes will bleed. I recommend that you look over Wak and Kiah's videos as well and experiment in single player game with the Sys Admin panel to see what happens so you are comfortable with 'rules as written' by the developers.
How do I lock my chests in PvE because I see others have locked things
Idk what console ur on but for ps4 I just hold square on the chest. So just hold square or whatever ur interact button is on the chest and one of the options is to lock
Yes I hold it but it doesn’t show up on the section to pick from
bro chest in pre server auto locked no one take ur staff or something dont worry u can lock on pvp
yoo bro whats the best enemies to level thralls up with fast that want one shot the thrall before leveling
Glowy Ghosts.
After the thralls have a few levels (gators, shalebacks, etc.), you can loop around The Forgotten City pf Xel-ha area killing apes and gorillas endlessly.
Along with the ghosts and apes, kill the white rock donkeys in the brimstone pits and the skeletons around the black keep.
Take fresh thrall to Midnight Grove. Its by far the fastest you can level them.
Skeletons
And if you feed them with a lot for différents food that upgrade différents stats ?
Idn its work?
If I do this on the undead legion could I get him higher vitality?!