205 - Energy balance, nutrition, & building muscle | Layne Norton, Ph.D. (Pt.2)

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    Layne Norton holds a Ph.D. in nutritional sciences and is a physique coach, natural bodybuilder, and previous guest on The Drive. In the first half of this episode, Layne dives deep into the topic of energy balance, including the role that macronutrients and calories play in weight loss. He describes how many people struggle with tracking food and calories on their own across a variety of diets and how all of this can impact nutritional habits and behaviors. In the second half of the episode, Layne discusses the importance of protein and weightlifting for improving one’s body composition and increasing muscle mass. He explains how he would prescribe different training and nutrition programs for two hypothetical clients-a 50-year-old female who is entering menopause and wants to improve her health, and a 40-to-50-year-old male who wants to maximize muscle mass. Additionally, Layne discusses a number of supplements that could potentially benefit a training program including whey protein, branch chain amino acids, creatine, nitric oxide boosters, and more.
    We discuss:
    0:00:00 - Intro
    0:00:08 - Defining energy balance and the role of calories
    0:06:16 - Defining a calorie, whether they are all created equal, and how much energy you can extract from the food you eat
    0:10:57 - Factors influencing total daily energy expenditure
    0:23:45 - The challenge of tracking energy expenditure accurately, and the thermic effect of different macronutrients
    0:36:39 - Challenges of sustained weight loss: metabolic adaptation, set points, and more
    0:43:00 - Weight loss strategies: tracking calories, cheat meals, snacks, fasting, exercise, and more
    0:56:28 - Sitting in discomfort, focusing on habits, and other lessons Layne learned as a natural bodybuilder
    1:07:07 - Commonalities in people who maintain long-term weight-loss
    1:09:25 - Does a ketogenic diet result in greater energy expenditure?
    1:22:23 - The metabolic benefits of exercise, muscle mass, and protein intake
    1:28:17 - The impact of lean muscle and strength on lifespan and healthspan
    1:37:03 - Hypothetical case study #1: Training program for 50-year-old female
    1:41:07 - Muscle protein synthesis in a trained athlete vs. untrained individual following a resistance training program
    1:47:50 - Protein and amino acids needed to build and maintain muscle mass
    1:54:00 - Nutrition plan for the hypothetical 50-year-old woman starting a program to build lean muscle
    2:08:53 - Dispelling myths that excess protein intake increases cancer risk through elevations in mTOR and IGF
    2:18:39 - Hypothetical case study #2: Training program for a 50-year-old, trained male wanting to increase muscle mass
    2:27:20 - Maximizing hypertrophy while minimizing fatigue-is it necessary to train to muscular failure?
    2:32:38 - Ideal sets and reps for the hypothetical 50-year-old male interested in hypertrophy
    2:39:34 - Maximizing hypertrophy by working a muscle at a long muscle length
    2:41:08 - Recommended lower body exercise routines and tips about training frequency
    2:47:26 - Nutrition plan for the hypothetical 50-year old male wanting to add muscle
    2:52:42 - Cycling weight gain and weight loss when building lean muscle mass, and expectations for progress over time
    2:58:17 - Supplements to aid in hypertrophy training
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  • @PeterAttiaMD
    @PeterAttiaMD  2 ปีที่แล้ว +88

    In this episode, we discuss:
    0:00:00 - Intro
    0:00:08 - Defining energy balance and the role of calories
    0:06:16 - Defining a calorie, whether they are all created equal, and how much energy you can extract from the food you eat
    0:10:57 - Factors influencing total daily energy expenditure
    0:23:45 - The challenge of tracking energy expenditure accurately, and the thermic effect of different macronutrients
    0:36:39 - Challenges of sustained weight loss: metabolic adaptation, set points, and more
    0:43:00 - Weight loss strategies: tracking calories, cheat meals, snacks, fasting, exercise, and more
    0:56:28 - Sitting in discomfort, focusing on habits, and other lessons Layne learned as a natural bodybuilder
    1:07:07 - Commonalities in people who maintain long-term weight-loss
    1:09:25 - Does a ketogenic diet result in greater energy expenditure?
    1:22:23 - The metabolic benefits of exercise, muscle mass, and protein intake
    1:28:17 - The impact of lean muscle and strength on lifespan and healthspan
    1:37:03 - Hypothetical case study #1: Training program for 50-year-old female
    1:41:07 - Muscle protein synthesis in a trained athlete vs. untrained individual following a resistance training program
    1:47:50 - Protein and amino acids needed to build and maintain muscle mass
    1:54:00 - Nutrition plan for the hypothetical 50-year-old woman starting a program to build lean muscle
    2:08:53 - Dispelling myths that excess protein intake increases cancer risk through elevations in mTOR and IGF
    2:18:39 - Hypothetical case study #2: Training program for a 50-year-old, trained male wanting to increase muscle mass
    2:27:20 - Maximizing hypertrophy while minimizing fatigue-is it necessary to train to muscular failure?
    2:32:38 - Ideal sets and reps for the hypothetical 50-year-old male interested in hypertrophy
    2:39:34 - Maximizing hypertrophy by working a muscle at a long muscle length
    2:41:08 - Recommended lower body exercise routines and tips about training frequency
    2:47:26 - Nutrition plan for the hypothetical 50-year old male wanting to add muscle
    2:52:42 - Cycling weight gain and weight loss when building lean muscle mass, and expectations for progress over time
    2:58:17 - Supplements to aid in hypertrophy training

    • @richierich4239
      @richierich4239 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Hello Peter, you mentioned in the video you would post the articles / meta-analysis that Layne recommended. Can you provide the name/links to those articles?
      Thank you!

    • @dondajulah4168
      @dondajulah4168 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@richierich4239 waiting for that too

    • @Amy-xu2yr
      @Amy-xu2yr 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks Peter. Viewer from Egypt here. Appreciate more discussions on women health, workouts and nutrition. You nailed it here. Keep up all the good work.

    • @lf7065
      @lf7065 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I wish you didn't constantly interrupt your guest when he's trying to finish his thought/sentence! You really have a bad habit of doing that.

    • @manuel233
      @manuel233 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      😊o😊😊

  • @carlaharmon4552
    @carlaharmon4552 2 ปีที่แล้ว +323

    This was a very good podcast. You almost hit my sweet spot...a woman in 50's. I understand that isn't your focus, at the same time, I can assure you if you did a podcast that focused on women over 50 in menopause that covered weight management and building muscle it would be extremely popular. I do really enjoy your podcast and I thought Dr. Norton was very good. Keep up the good work.

  • @One-Ring-To-Rule-Them-All
    @One-Ring-To-Rule-Them-All ปีที่แล้ว +57

    I am a 41 year old woman and I have been doing cardio, yoga and some fun sports, mostly aerobic for most of my life. I started weight training 2 months ago and boy oh boy it is amazing. Whatever issues I had doing all other activities just disappeared. It was like the last piece of puzzle making my training complete. Back pain gone, I am faster running, I can sit way longer with straight back to meditate, getting a heavy box of a shelf, skiing without having burn in my thighs immediately and more and more. I cannot even emphasize enough how much benefit I am getting from strength training. Please, everybody, do it! 💗

    • @nikitaw1982
      @nikitaw1982 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Simialar for me. i started doing back squat 3 times a week and felt like 2 months i'm lifting 100kg wit 80kg body weight. I thought i would be stiff, not at all, strong in most positions. Took a labouring job and normally i'd be the walking dead after 2 hours, after got strong with back squat was a walk in the park.

    • @vantarpon6849
      @vantarpon6849 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Had the same experience in my 30s/40s. I played racquetball 3 times per week. Always would have aches and pains. When I started lifting weights (just a modest weight lifting routine), the aches and pains went away - quickly - and my results on the court improved immediately.

  • @musicsavedtheworld
    @musicsavedtheworld 2 ปีที่แล้ว +67

    Easily one of the best podcasts on the energy balance model and lean mass/mortality risk/health. Couldn't look away for the whole 3 hrs! Layne is such a gun!

    • @alxdava2004
      @alxdava2004 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mortality risk?!

    • @musicsavedtheworld
      @musicsavedtheworld 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@alxdava2004 Yeah they spoke about the correlation between lean body mass and all cause mortality

    • @thrillerkrill5777
      @thrillerkrill5777 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      1 g per 1b protein more than enough to maximize hypertrophy

    • @chadh8632
      @chadh8632 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Except two PhDs don’t even realize we use chemical energy and the whole podcast they yammered on about heat energy.

    • @oolala53
      @oolala53 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@alxdava2004 are you asking what the risk is or whether it’s actually a mortality risk or not?

  • @WorldsBestGuys
    @WorldsBestGuys 2 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    Peter expends more energy in head nods than I do with my bmr

  • @carrielight3535
    @carrielight3535 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Love this so much! I am women who is 59 years old and in the health business! Fitness has been my business for 42 years! That is all I have know all my life and so thankful for it. I love learning from you and your guests! Just AMAZING Podcasts! Thank for all your education! I am a member and it is the best money spent! Thank you again! I look forward to ever new pod cast!

  • @GregKingston
    @GregKingston 2 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    As a professor of Exercise Science, I found this conversation extremely useful. I'll be using this with my students for sure.

    • @MMAoracle
      @MMAoracle 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      How are you gonna use it?

    • @shawnpatten6515
      @shawnpatten6515 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MMAoracle he is going to make his students watch this and then tell them “everything you just heard was incorrect!” J/K

  • @susannastromberg6221
    @susannastromberg6221 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    I'm that 50+ menopausal woman, and the one thing that made me get back in shape was eliminating carbs and increasing protein. I'm eating a carnivore diet, almost no fruits and veggies except coconut cream and coffee and tea. I keep myself in ketosis, meaning that I use fat for fuel instead of carbs, keeping my blood sugar and insulin low. and the fat is saturated fats and medium chain triglycerides, no polyunsaturated seed oils. I lost 10-15 kg, I eliminated all so called age related ailments, muscle stiffness, achiness, and joint pain. I improved my cognitive functions. my brain could not use glucose for energy, just like in Alzheimer's disease. I went from barely able to go for long walks to now running 10 km without a problem. I was insulin resistant and on my way to diabetes. no more. my body responds to exercise better than ever. I don't need recovery time after a long run, can run two days in a row and the second day is just better than the previous day. I rarely get sick, so I can just keep on with the progress in my exercise. before going carnivore I would constantly get sick, or getting a stress fracture or other injuries that halted my progress and constantly made me have to start all over again. calories are not calories. it's what the food does to your insulin levels and your satiety hormones that matters. protein is not an source of energy, and fat is a better energy source than carbs. I can recommend Dr Ben Bikman's talks on metabolism, brown fat vs white fat, or on insulin vs glucagon.

    • @stevend481
      @stevend481 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Um no. A calorie is a unit of measure. Caloric balance is the main factor. Carnivore is just an elimination diet. Not magic. Listen to Layne and Peter

    • @purplegirl8036
      @purplegirl8036 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I can’t figure out why that doesn’t seem to work for me and I feel better vegan.

    • @clauschristoffero
      @clauschristoffero 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      A calorie is a calorie that is true, meaning the energy contained at near perfect combustion.
      The problem is that the calories acheived at near perfect combustion cannot be translated into physical work in the human body.
      There are so many reasons for this that it does not make sense to use calories, examples not in any particular order:
      1. The body cells will adjust their energy expenditure depending on macro composition and other hormonal factors
      2. The body will not use all calories for energy
      3. Some calories will not be used for energy, example fibre and fat in case of bile exhaustion
      4. The actual number of calories will vary in foods

    • @natashacro8148
      @natashacro8148 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The calorie is not a calorie. Period. If it was, then it wouldn't matter what one eat. Body builders pay attention to the quality of their food. Why would they, if a calorie is just a calorie?

    • @HappyCats17
      @HappyCats17 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@purplegirl8036 Because everyone is different. I'm pretty hard core carnivore, and the changes in my overall health have been mind-blowing, but there a over a billion people in places like China, Japan, etc who eat rice every day and are among the slimmest and healthiest people on the planet. I went vegan for about 6 months in my 30s, felt horrible and gained 28 pounds. I am also a very high fat carnivore. For whatever reason, I do best with lots of meat and fat, especially rib-eye steaks, salmon, and bacon. Our grocery bill is staggering, but my husband and I are in our 60s and have never felt better. Labwork is excellent. He does fine on leaner meat, but I need the fat. Who knows why?

  • @MPAscends
    @MPAscends 2 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    Layne really communicates the science effectively and is great at dispelling common nutritional myths.

    • @Subs1338
      @Subs1338 ปีที่แล้ว

      His prose is really clumsy

    • @JamesSmith-cm7sg
      @JamesSmith-cm7sg ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ​@@Subs1338 Refute his points.... I'll wait

    • @nichtsistkostenlos6565
      @nichtsistkostenlos6565 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Subs1338 I don't know if you've ever tried to distill complex scientific topics into something that can be understood by a lay audience, but it's extremely difficult. If you could do better, we'd probably know who you are, but alas, you're an internet nobody like the rest of us. Have a little humility.

    • @marinaalex0510
      @marinaalex0510 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Subs1338 Anything but clumsy

  • @emilymiller1427
    @emilymiller1427 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I am a 55 (in Aug) year old postmenopausal breast cancer survivor who's 30 year old son shared both of your platforms with me. Love the fact that we are both science/health nerds. I have read your book, Peter (awesome) and always worked out- lifting and cardio (since college). Loved hearing you both together here...continued motivation to lift those weights! The one thing that concerns me personally is the risk/loss of benefit for HRT given my cancer diagnosis at 40. I continue to follow, learn and appreciate. Thanks for sorting out the nonsense.

  • @knight9464
    @knight9464 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    What i liked most is how sometimes Peter kindly interrupted to keep the discussion classy. Kudos to your background Peter...

  • @DebiDalio
    @DebiDalio ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I found this podcast and the one with Don Layman to be very pertinent to me. I am a 64 year old female with weak muscles and osteopenia. I have recently upped my protein intake to try to get 20-30 grams of protein per meal. My protein of choice is fish, so I try to eat roughly half a pound per meal. I am supplementing with whey and collagen. (My current whey of choice is Ascent Native Fuel vanilla whey, which contains minimal ingredients, no artificial sweeteners, and no gums.) I have also started doing free weights, yoga, and some easy jogging. Thank you so much, Peter, for your "show me the data" practical, rational, and non-agenda approach to biological science and for sharing interviews with such fascinating and highly informed individuals. You are helping me improve my life.

  • @timothycaldwell9753
    @timothycaldwell9753 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Great session.
    Easily at a PHd level.
    Which is what I fear separates our audiences; teaching with a level of assumption.
    Love the talks gemtlemen

    • @zed5129
      @zed5129 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hmm, PhD it can't be, I can understand it all no problem, I'm sure I'm exceedingly far below PhD :)

  • @kristintallman3508
    @kristintallman3508 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I am also 48 and have been exercising for years! I prefer working out at home and your workouts are fantastic! My body doesn’t feel as young as my mind, but I know I gotta move it move it, so I do my best every time I workout! I never say I can’t…because I always try! Thanks for always providing great conversation and workouts for us❤️

  • @Backyard_Gardener365
    @Backyard_Gardener365 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is a really good podcast, full of useful information for someone who is really interested in health & longevity. It’s really long, best suited for a long road trip, I will definitely come back & listen to it again!

  • @nathanredmon96
    @nathanredmon96 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I’ll probably listen to this a few times and take notes. Really, REALLY good!!

  • @PrestigeSurvivor
    @PrestigeSurvivor 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    As always, excellent source of information. Thank you!

  • @Fletch_and1
    @Fletch_and1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Amazing content again. I really enjoy when these 2 get together. Peter has amazing questions and insight and Layne is just world class when it comes to these subjects. Look forward to the next one

  • @senthilnathanpalaniswamy3463
    @senthilnathanpalaniswamy3463 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Fantastic conversation! Minute by minute informative. Both legends, I am subscriber to their channel too.Three hours did not know how video passed

  • @AdnAwd24
    @AdnAwd24 ปีที่แล้ว

    One of the Great episodes on this podcast.
    can't wait for part 3!
    Thank you so much

  • @lennonptpaul
    @lennonptpaul ปีที่แล้ว

    This is simply awesome. I could've listened to another 3hrs. Thank you both!

  • @heavyjunkops
    @heavyjunkops 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I'm listening to this while meal prepping for the week. I'm weighing or measuring EVERYTHING, down to the tabs of butter going on my potatoes. My OCD is showing, but I'm a firm believer that in order to make my best progress, I must have solid data points. The best way I know of doing that, is by removing every variable I can, starting with measurements.

  • @docblue8081
    @docblue8081 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    great podcast , thanks for bringing layne in!

  • @dr.dmitry.sokolov
    @dr.dmitry.sokolov ปีที่แล้ว +11

    BRILLIANT podcast! Thank you so much, gentlemen! Really admire you both.
    One question: if this is "Pt.2" then is there a Pt1?

  • @andrewsaunders7966
    @andrewsaunders7966 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    So important because any success in life, no matter the definition, requires energy to do so. The more energy you have the higher your ceiling.

  • @nicorellius
    @nicorellius ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Watched both episodes with Layne and I am so happy I did. These 5+ hours of content taught me so much. Thanks both for being courteous and efficient communicators during these podcasts.

  • @kellrockets101
    @kellrockets101 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great episode..very informative!

  • @Thegreat772
    @Thegreat772 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I lost 2 stone in 2018 using my fitness Pal over 6months. It was great. Got a new job, different routine and sleep patterns and it all went to hell lol. Put two stone back on and now getting back to loosing it again. I would add using fasting was a help in loosing weight. 16 hour fast is really achievable and keeping an eye on calorie consumption in a 8hr window makes it easier for me.

  • @FitnessToday69
    @FitnessToday69 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    this was absolutely fantastic 👏

  • @jacquesthebeau9380
    @jacquesthebeau9380 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fantastic podcast. Learned so much! Thankyou !!!!!

  • @Seanonyoutube
    @Seanonyoutube 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I’ve been waiting for this one!

  • @Test-eb9bj
    @Test-eb9bj 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent info! I struggle to find versions to train legs effectively but in a conservative way as my my left knee is severely damaged (needs replacement) and therefore unstable, right one also has a meniscus problem and the big toe joint needs an intervention too. Sigh, I try my best to maintainer the leg muscles and mitigate the imbalances resulting from that.

  • @angelocastiglione1
    @angelocastiglione1 ปีที่แล้ว

    Outstanding episode! Thank you 🙏

  • @DrSamsHealth
    @DrSamsHealth 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    What a wonderful collaboration - two of my favorite fitness experts talking science! Love it! PS. Thanks for the reminder, Layne, I’m getting my metabolism chart!

  • @kelkel1816
    @kelkel1816 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome!!! Thank you both very much.

  • @harijeevakumar2218
    @harijeevakumar2218 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What a legendary guest. Full of knowledge and willing to explain in a simple manner.

  • @jefflackas1550
    @jefflackas1550 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Such a good podcast thanks Peter!!

  • @jamesbailey5008
    @jamesbailey5008 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I can't believe how good this channel is

  • @aaronbailey9454
    @aaronbailey9454 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    My two favorites at it again! Love it!

  • @udonloews1301
    @udonloews1301 ปีที่แล้ว

    Pure pleasure on diet and nutrition: THANK YOU.

  • @DSeanLewis
    @DSeanLewis 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I thoroughly enjoyed this conversation.

  • @angelgonzalez1507
    @angelgonzalez1507 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you Guy.. This was a powerhouse of information I could definitely going to apply

  • @itsamodernmess
    @itsamodernmess 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Finally!! Ive been waiting for this haha. I’ve been trying to get my parents to go down to Austin and book an appointment with Dr. Attia - or at the minimum do some weight training. So Thrilled to see Lane on his podcast. Cannot wait to send this to my Mom. I’ve been trying to get them both (more cardio bunnies/old iron men & cyclists & my dad with very large fluctuating BF :/) to lift some weights.
    Doctors & Real Estate people think there are some of the smartest people sometimes LOL or actually I think humans are just stubborn and afraid of change and ironically afraid of death too. That’s why I’m interested in integrating Fitness Psychology & Neuroscience (behavior change).
    Anyway I’m supppppper pumped to listen to this and grateful this finally happened 🙏🏼
    🏋🏻‍♀️🏋🏻‍♂️❤️‍🔥🏋🏿‍♂️🏋🏽‍♀️
    Thank you did your work.

    • @C0d0ps
      @C0d0ps ปีที่แล้ว

      Simply having more muscle will raise their metabolism and therefor allowing them to eat more food without gaining weight.
      As a foodie it is imperative for me to be physically active so I can afford (caloric wise) to eat out more often and not be obese.
      If food interests them beyond just fueling them for their cardio.
      Then this might be a good argument.
      I think it’s 10 lbs of muscle for 300 additional calories per day although I could be wrong.

  • @longliveann9349
    @longliveann9349 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    This was insanely informative! Thank you!

  • @ThomasAT86
    @ThomasAT86 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fantastic podcast, thanks guys!

  • @MooseLoRoose
    @MooseLoRoose ปีที่แล้ว +13

    It's unreal how Layne can just pull studies out of his head. Great episode!!!

  • @diane1504
    @diane1504 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great episode, thank you!

  • @jabon112
    @jabon112 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just amazing-had to watch it a few time as so much information

  • @TheNAJEEBREHMAN
    @TheNAJEEBREHMAN 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks Atia, best show in a long long time

  • @Exodus26.13Pi
    @Exodus26.13Pi 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Some of these topics are deep and detailed. Great content again.

  • @rodcc
    @rodcc 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This has been one of the best presentations that I have seen. The information was amazing, and presented equally amazing - thanks so much. Im a physician who lived most of my life morbidly obese (over 300), and seven years ago I experienced a switch flip in my head - have lost over 145 in fat and gained about 40 in muscle mass - metabolically, I saved myself. This stuff is so important - still pushing hard (and collecting data :-). Im almost 62 and trying like hell to grab on to some extra muscle. Again, thanks for this amazing presentation.

  • @christopheramirian433
    @christopheramirian433 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Yaaay another episode 😀

  • @WanderingSword
    @WanderingSword ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I remember Attia from 10 years ago when he was really into keto diet and was associating with all the big names in the lowcarb world. He was one of the driver of keto back then. He presented all this science about how keto is better, better at recuding inflammation, yada yada yada. Now that he had stopped keto and moved on, a younger crowd are still preaching keto, and these younger gen people are still preaching the same lines Attia was using back 10 years ago when he was on keto. Oh my, some things just don't change. Well good for Attia that he has stopped keto, because nobody can stay on this diet for long, it's like robbing one-half of the food in your life that you've evolved to eat. And yes, calorie does still matter. Calore restriction takes precedence over any diet if losing weight is your goal.

    • @derekconn9950
      @derekconn9950 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I would say keto is good for certain people and certain circumstances

    • @peacenlove911
      @peacenlove911 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Dr Attia is not God! He's also trying to figure it out. Research is very flawed and inaccurate most of the time, particularly when related to diet and its effects on the human body. At least he cares and he's still researching what works. He evolves just like the rest of us. I'm a doctor and tried keto, vegan , you name it, I probably tried it...still trying to figure it out and fine tune what works.

    • @macfin4862
      @macfin4862 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I've heard him say in a few different places that he actually really responded well to keto

  • @karlpk3907
    @karlpk3907 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Peter and Layne, fantastic podcast discussion and I have recently signed up for Peter’s site as result of watching these pods and clips of Peter’s other offerings. As a 70 year old who has been doing Starting Strength for the past 6 years, I found the discussion of programming the untrained/partially trained particularly interesting. Even though it’s probably a bit hazardous to question an elite power lifter like Layne, I will push back a tiny bit on his assertion that an untrained individual shouldn’t start with compound lifts, and instead start with machines.
    Of course, an individual who has never deadlifted in her life shouldn’t go right into HEAVY, even relatively heavy, compound lifts. However, they should START with REHEARSING compound lifts. For squat, just sitting on a box and getting up without using your hands. Then have the seated portion below parallel and have the person get up without using their hands. Then use a very light bar and squat down on the below parallel box, then up. Not in the first session of course, but in multiple sessions over time to increase the adaptation. Then goblet squats…then move on to the rack with empty bar, then add weight slowly but surely over time.
    Same with deadlifts. Bend over and pick up a broomstick elevated from the ground. Then do a light kettlebell, and over time graduate to deadlifting with a barbell with steadily increasing weight over time, in small increments.
    Compound lifts are better than machines. They use full movement chain and recruit more muscle than any isolated lift. The only machine that is arguably OK is the lat pull down.
    And when it comes to measuring strength compound lifts are better. And it doesn’t require complex statistical analysis or p-values. If you start off squatting 25 kilos for 5 reps and add 4 kilos a week, in 14 weeks you are 3 times as strong as when you started. It’s the only objective measure there is for measuring strength gains, even other than increased lean mass.

  • @The_Fat_Bald_Trucker
    @The_Fat_Bald_Trucker ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks!! Great guest!!👍

  • @CozyCottageDays
    @CozyCottageDays 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Excellent interview with a knowledgeable guest.

  • @roselavrinec5421
    @roselavrinec5421 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    top tier podcast with these two gentlemen every time such great information and anecdotes

  • @Joy80JJ
    @Joy80JJ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great interview & info.

  • @anishveigas2514
    @anishveigas2514 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Huge fan of Layne Norton!

  • @negativefx83
    @negativefx83 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great podcast and Layne is always awesome.

  • @OsorioT
    @OsorioT 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What do you think about the studies of Dr. Herman Pontzer about energy expenditure?
    Were you surprised by his findings? Thank you very much for your fantastic content.

  • @velikastoichkova4601
    @velikastoichkova4601 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow. Two titans! Huge fan of you both!

  • @navigodelaney119
    @navigodelaney119 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yes. You are marveling at a beautiful design. God speaks to us through science and mathematics on so many levels.

  • @pamrussell1972
    @pamrussell1972 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Brilliant information thank you both 💙

  • @elsh332
    @elsh332 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is great information.
    I have always weighed myself first thing in the morning, after toilet, before any food or even a sip of water.
    When I track my food, I weigh everything and then record slightly under. For example, yesterday, I was supposed to eat 125g lamb, so I weighed out 112g and stopped there. However, I still recorded the full 125g. I've always done this.
    I over record or overestimate my food and under record or underestimate my activity.

  • @stani2007
    @stani2007 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    amazing both of you, can't thanks enough for sharing the amount of knowledge that you guys have, plus the thing to grab some details to help people on daily basis (like me) and also its super entertainment, at least for me.
    Thanks one more time

  • @danielnuthletics
    @danielnuthletics ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow!! Genius! Amazing! This is everything for me

  • @cleanonly
    @cleanonly ปีที่แล้ว

    Turned up!!
    And thank you for the final challenge to clean out that space that I growl about internally every time I walk past it!! 😂

  • @roadtoredemption15
    @roadtoredemption15 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Enjoyed that brother 🤜🏽🤛🏽 thankyou

  • @bsouza80
    @bsouza80 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    two of my favorite gurus ...Good stuff!

    • @alxdava2004
      @alxdava2004 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Gurus?! Your gran grandmother should be your guru regarding eating.
      th-cam.com/video/Wq5T0Ouw5EE/w-d-xo.html

    • @erastvandoren
      @erastvandoren 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You mean two of your favorite charlatans...

    • @nichtsistkostenlos6565
      @nichtsistkostenlos6565 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@erastvandoren You can disagree with somebody without assuming they're being disingenuous. The problem that you have is your dogmatic approach to exploring ideas, so listening to anyone say something that challenges your world view is effectively living hell. So, instead of listening, you just plug your ears and call them "charlatans." I wish you well and hope you find a way to fix your psychological barrier to differing perspectives.

  • @chrismichael9556
    @chrismichael9556 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you you guys are awesome

  • @johnhancock8213
    @johnhancock8213 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Interesting findings on "set point", as I use my "roughneck weight" from my 20's as a guideline as we would weigh every week going offshore and find that no matter my workout/diet routine I seem to plateau at that 20's weight range at my age of 70 and actively training. Of course, the muscle to body fat ratio are considerably different at 70.

    • @sarahterry2140
      @sarahterry2140 ปีที่แล้ว

      I used to hate the weigh-ins going offshore!! Being retired, I’m finally at a good BMI 🚁

  • @erwinrogers9470
    @erwinrogers9470 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great conversation 🔥

  • @spitz2000
    @spitz2000 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I guess you used my suggestion I'll have to buy one. Like it!

  • @BluJns
    @BluJns ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I started in the 1970's!
    Every night a grilled ribeye with raw veg & ranch dip. 3 loaves of stone ground whole wheat bread per week, Hot out of the oven slathered with butter! Eating identical diet, I lost weight as needed, my husband gained as needed.
    Jog 1 mile, power lifting at home.

  • @guillermoValdez369
    @guillermoValdez369 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great discussion

  • @healthymoms
    @healthymoms 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I loved this workout. Only had to modify the chest to ground part of the burpees. Not bad for 68 1/2. You both rock

  • @lukeclaydon6670
    @lukeclaydon6670 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love Layne a voice of rational science great Layne

  • @vantarpon6849
    @vantarpon6849 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great show. These two are my favorites. These experts cut through all the BS.

  • @mauriglisson6954
    @mauriglisson6954 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    So the way Layne was describing his low energy when trying to drop the last bit of fat is exactly how I've felt most of my adult life. It has improved the last few years with being mostly Carnivore. But the only time I've had abundant energy was during a 52 day water fast. I had finally tapped into my fat stores.

  • @cherrellsumbler85
    @cherrellsumbler85 ปีที่แล้ว

    3/10/23, just started, looking forward to building up my strength again

  • @barrittstephen2169
    @barrittstephen2169 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very interesting conversation. I'm curious to know if any data is available, regarding this type of training and calorie intake, that has looked at any coalition with pre-diabetes or type 2 diabetes, whether contributing or reversing it for individuals in the 55 to 65 year age groups? What are the effects on the liver, pancreas and insulin sensitivity when stressing your whole body system to these levels in any age group? What are post studies for individuals who have done this type of intensive training for a decade or more, when this type of training begins to wain for subgroups that reduce their training, or stop training?
    Respectfully, this conversation stimulated many questions for me. You had my full attention. Very good content. Thank you!

  • @navigodelaney119
    @navigodelaney119 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I am the woman in your scenario. 5'5", 128 lbs, menopausal, and probably "skinny fat" with more jiggle, less muscle. Can't even do 10 girl push ups! But I've started lifting moderately, 3-4 times a week. Walk every day. Hike 12 miles when I can with hubby. Been doing IF for a year, no more snacking. Recently cut out alcohol and sugar and probably 90 percent of ultra processed food. No named diet, but whole, real, home cooked food (rarely any pasta or bread). Thee changes seem excruciatingly slow, but your notes on morbidity and falling accidents were startling. I'm going to keep going!

    • @macfin4862
      @macfin4862 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      How's your progress nearly a year on?

  • @janicenagao7409
    @janicenagao7409 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is a 5++++ star podcast. Thank you, kudos, such good, scientific info, totally relevant to everyone with a body and understandable to the layperson.

  • @mcfarvo
    @mcfarvo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Layne is a national treasure

  • @user-kd5jx1xd9g
    @user-kd5jx1xd9g 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I mostly just do your step for my cardio 3 x a week but loved the mix up today. I do a hit strength 3 days a week by someone else but am considering adding your longer more focused strength either in addition or instead. How do I know how much store training is enough?

  • @zazenforever4940
    @zazenforever4940 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How about information for seniors, 65 years old and older.

  • @samfrances3489
    @samfrances3489 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you have a link to the systematic review Layne mentions around 1:07?

  • @mattarndt4452
    @mattarndt4452 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very smart guys! Interesting stuff.

  • @readyaimeeshoot1914
    @readyaimeeshoot1914 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent discussion, I gave my students this link as a resource for a project.

    • @readyaimeeshoot1914
      @readyaimeeshoot1914 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Also its lysine and leucine that are ketogenic :)

    • @alxdava2004
      @alxdava2004 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You should give this instead of anything that lame has to say. And stay till the end.
      th-cam.com/video/Wq5T0Ouw5EE/w-d-xo.html

  • @kennyglasgow1
    @kennyglasgow1 ปีที่แล้ว

    That was fascinating.

  • @Moxieinmotion
    @Moxieinmotion 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    “Pain is more like an emotion” - please direct me towards any more info you have about this please! Such an interesting topic

  • @BigDees19
    @BigDees19 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow such a great video

  • @luiscarlosmaciel6980
    @luiscarlosmaciel6980 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Cool. Much appreciated

  • @erwinrogers9470
    @erwinrogers9470 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love it 🔥

  • @TheTamijohnstone
    @TheTamijohnstone ปีที่แล้ว

    Challenging but I crushed it! Had to stop & breath, but I didn’t stop & leave! 😂🎉

  • @fahada1921
    @fahada1921 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks a lot

  • @GodfatherLIVE
    @GodfatherLIVE ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm going to name my 1st born child after this pod I loved it so much 🙌🤌

  • @danielrolfe1960
    @danielrolfe1960 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm a 47 year old male who has struggled with weight since I was a kid. I've lost nearly 100 lbs a few times in my life, always manage to put much of it back on. The first time I did it in my 20s and it was all low fat, high carbs, lots of walking. I only wish I did more resistance training back then because I might have kept the weight off. I was 77 KG, nearly my ideal weight.
    Life inevitably happened, stress, transition, moving countries, relationships and I put much of it back on.
    Since then I have lost large amounts a few times, one time I was hardcore into the Primal/Paleo movement and most recently I lost 40 lbs last year (2022) following a Keto diet. Well, sort of Keto, I found it very hard to be in ketosis as measured by a Keto Mojo but I was very low carb. I also had a trainer and I've been pretty consistently lifting weights since 2021. The only break has been for injury and the last injury I trained through it carefully with my trainer. I went into Keto knowing it probably wasn't a long term strategy but I want to to use it as tool to help me drop some weight and transition to a more "make it a lifestyle" approach. For me, Keto is not sustainable long term.
    Life happened again and I regained the 40 lbs I lost, although I kept training. The only thing I can say is at least with the weight training my body is a better shape (aesthetically) but I still carry too much body fat.
    For the last few months I've been trying again to lose weight, but using a more balanced approach. Lots of lean protein, somewhat lower carb, but often 100g of carbs a day. Very little processed food etc. This is what I've learned about myself:
    - Resistance training is life. I wish I had done this consistently since I was a teen, it's changes everything.
    - When I eat low carb, I am less hungry. My recent attempt at eating still somewhat low carb, but including things like some small amounts of rice, high fiber bread, plenty of protein, leaves me feeling much hungrier, but it is nice to be able to have a burger on a bun every now and then
    - Eating a couple of bigger, low carb, high fat meals satisfies me and I don't have strong hunger signals, eating smaller meals more frequently (3-4 meals a day) with more carbs leaves me much hungrier
    - Fasting is much harder when I'm not eating very low carb
    - Losing weight is really really hard
    - Someone who has 100 lbs to lose is looking at a 2 year effort of being somewhat hungry if you use a healthy average weight loss of 1 lb a week.
    I'm now going to do a month of Keto-like dieting (without measuring Ketosis) because I'm really sick of being hungry and struggling, I mean struggling, to keep in a deficit.
    Perhaps it's an indication that my metabolism is deranged and I have prediabetes since eating carbs seems to lead to me being MUCH hungrier. I'm not sure, I just know I seem to be able to stick to a high protein, very low carb diet much more effectively, at least in the short term.

    • @Suzoebas
      @Suzoebas 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You could try putting in a continuous glucose monitor. Try not to eat anything that generates a high glucose spike. Dr Jason fung has a lot of information if you are insulin resistant. High insulin makes weight management difficult.

  • @ArthasMal
    @ArthasMal 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hello Mr. Attia, could you please link me to graph you are talking about at 1:34:04?