Panasonic's Affordable Video BEAST | Panasonic S5 IIX Hands-On
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Chapters:
Intro - 00:00
Physical Changes - 00:38
USB-C SSD Recording - 01:13
Internal ALL-I Compression - 04:24
RAW HDMI Output - 06:44
Streaming Options - 08:19
Who Is The X For? - 09:24
Conclusion - 11:11
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Let us know what you think of the Panasonic LUMIX S5 IIX & if you have any other questions let us know down below!!
I dont get why they didn't give us the rear screen mobility of the s1h and instead used the inferior flip out only screen. what's it cost like an extra 5$?
Is there a way to reduce the latency down to acceptable levels? I've heard about turning off audio over HDMI but the reduction isn't enough. Would it help to reduce the output resolution? Is that even possible? Is it a hardware issue? If so, could it be fixed by replacing a component?
@@kevinforget549 The flip-out screen is great because it allows you to mount a V-lock battery on your rig without blocking it. You can then use the flip-out screen to navigate menus while you use an external monitor to film with. A 3-inch monitor is way too small to film with anyway. They just need to fix the HDMI latency issue.
@@bjarkisteinnpetursson9736 the only other way to further reduce latency is to increase framerate. you can film at 48 fps and do a 2:1 pulldown and it will look the same as if filmed at 24p.
@@kevinforget549100% agree. I’m sick to death of the side hinged flippy flappy screen. I mean, how many filmmakers need to film themselves?
Thanks for such a detailed explanation into the All-I and LongGOP formats as well as the streaming options. Your the first TH-camr to specifically talk about these things in such clarity with the S5 IIX. Definitely on my buy list
Great review! Very excited about this X model!
I'm really excited for Panasonic now; Now that PDAF is solid and Dual Gain ISO is available, their next Cinema Camera (BS1H II) is going to be amazing! I might have to switch again!
Many thanks for your detailed hands-on!
I own the original S5 and recently bought a Lumix S5 II and S5 IIx. Unfortunately I had to return both units, because they had exactly the same audio issue:
If you connect an external microphone via the jack audio input, there is a high frequency pulsating sound that doubles its frequency when you switch the frame rate from 25p to 50p. This annoying sound can only be heard very quietly, but it is disturbing in quiet passages during interviews, for example. And yes, it does not go away as soon as you hit record.
This is a step by step guide to reproduce the problem:
1. Set the camera to movie mode in a quiet room
2. Connect an external microphone to the Mic-Port (if it is a battery powered device, you can leave it switched off)
3. In the audio menu, set the „Sound Rec Gain Level“ to „Low“ (in „Standard“ the issue is less pronounced)
4. Set the Audio Level to Zero or + dB to emphasize the issue
5. Put your low impedance headphones on (e.g. EarPods) and note a pulsing high pitched interference sound
6. Press the lens lock/unlock button to make the sound disappear for some seconds
7. Toggle the Movie Recording Options from 25p to 50p to double the speed of the pulsing sound
8. Switch the dial “Movie Mode“ to Manual "M“ to hear the sound change it’s frequency
Please note: This interference do not occur using the onboard mics or the DMW-XLR1 unit.
another amazing review guys. i have been waiting for you guys' review. Thank you!!!! :D
Hands down this camera is the best in it's class and price range, Well done Panasonic.
Makes me hopeful for a S1Hii with internal prores with a new sensor with faster readouts. 🙏
Me too. Now that Panasonic is starting to clear the autofocus hurdle, I feel like the slow readout is one of the last remaining obstacles. If it gets a faster readout, the S1H II would be very close to my dream hybrid camera. I would upgrade from my S1 ASAP.
@@Write_Film_Edit not just "clear" they are already better then nikon and probably canon aswell...
Global shutter, internal BRAW and 32 bits float audio for me ;-)
@@theshortlist global shutter cripples the dynamic range and also the color gamut. Sony has gotten around this by have incredibly fast readout speeds on the Venice 2 for example.
But the S52 has a quick readout of 10ms in super35 mode, but double that 20ms in full frame. I’m not sure if they can get Venice 2 level readouts (3ms FF) in such a compact body.
We have to keep waiting. But if you want maximum dynamic range and color gamut we are stuck with rolling shutter CMOS sensors 😫
@@AlexDerrick_DP you are probably right, but years ago there was the war in digital backs style... CMOS, Dalsa, CCD... and my Leaf backs (22mp, and 33mp) were so much better in term of color compare to 50mp sensors with live view... nowadays i'm using Fuji GFX with live view, nice colors, long exposure ok... so, all is possible, just a matter of time i suppose...
This is the best camera review channel period!
Another excellent comprehensive video🥂🦘
Excellent video! Do you know if the internal 1080p prores is downscaled from 4/6k? The internal 1080p prores is great when I need to deliver in 1080
do look forward to its video potential Thanks CVP.
It's an awesome camera! Thanks for watching John. Jake
Thanks for another great review folks. Any suggestions on preventing moiré on the S5 range?! I get it sometimes when shooting architecture, clothing (denim jeans!) or even upholstery/furniture. Have tried mist filters...
Meanwhile, looking forward to the ALL-I at 4K and 1080p higher frame rates. Been shooting ProRes Raw 4K 50p recently (S5 + Ninja to get better than 10-bit 420), but ALL-I 4K 50p 10-bit 422 would be plenty good enough and ProRes Raw just too much data! :P
Great video! Excellent information as usual. If you were on this side of the pond (US), I’d buy gear directly from you!
Any chance of getting a detailed BTS of your coffee shop shoot? Lenses, settings, lighting & grade? The quality is outstanding and making me think of jumping from Sony.
Excellent video. I've really been impressed with all of the videos I've seen of the S5iix. It's definitely a game changer. My question is, if I wanted to adapt Canon EF lenses which adapter would you recommend?
Thanks in advance.
Thanks for watching and I would suggest the Sigma MC-21. Jake
Very tempting. I shoot the old S5 into the Ninja V, so I already get Full Frame 5.9k RAW Prores 422 at 12 bit. The image is poetry. I shoot narrative film and don't use AF so while PD AF is a fabulous new offering from Panasonic, it does not affect me. The internal codecs and improved IBIS could provide some redundancy for the Ninja and the Ronan Gimbal and that is always welcome, so I am still deliberating. I started out on the old Panasonic DVX 100A, so what I already get out of the old S5 is already mind blowing. What I would really like to see is better handling of rolling shutter, (global shutter full frame???) but I am not complaining. I might have complained if I had bough the S5II and realized I had to pay extra fro RAW while the older model came with RAW on board, or that the S5IIX was going to arrive so soon after as a much better deal.
Thanks guys for the video! Have you considered the idea of doing a deep review of the DJI ronin 4D with the flex module? I'm considering of buying it from your store but there's no tecnical review of the sensor, colors, how the d-log works and the functionality of the flex module. I saw a lot of reviews and videos but they are all very "general user experience". Love the channel
Thanks for watching and yes we should be at some point, we've been waiting for the 8K version to hit the market, so fingers crossed it does soon and we can get something out there! Jake
u r the best camera reviewer
Do you guys use a lut to color grade your videos? I thought it was because of the Red Komodo you guys using but man, your color grade look awesome.
Welcome sir thank for this camera rew I'm waiting for this camera i🎉
I love this upgrade! But I am going to wait for GH7 or GH6ii.
The Image/Shots look beautiful. Am Canon user, but the footage looks very good.
Your footage looks great, even on youtube.
We got exactly what was announced with S5II's release, but I'm torn between this camera and the (still unannounced) successor to S1H as I prefer the look of 60fps footage whenever possible (I'm an amateur). One could argue that I could buy now and upgrade later, but it's a hassle I'd gladly skip.
Know that the S1Hii might not be available till 2024. All we got right now are some very unreliable rumours.
Now waiting for S1H IIx :D
Panasonic should have implemented led light up that function button. AF is also improve 1080P over S5ii.
Thanks! How do you guys think it compares to the s1h image quality?
Thanks for this great review! Just wondering what would happen if you use a EF lens with IS and turn it on? On the GH5 if I adapt a EF with IS you can only have either body or lens IS. They don't work both at the same time. Thanks again
when do you think we will see cameras that can record in av1 encoding? would be great to get the image improvements with the same datarates as x265
Gerald Undone mentioned that the AF in the S5 II whilst using the HDMI lost some of its subject detection. Apparently, this is not a problem in the S5 IIX, but I'm wondering if Panasonic might fix the issue in the S5 II with the paid upgrade, or potentially in a firmware update. I'm eager to hear any information you guys might know. If the issue is fixed, I'd happily stick with my S5 II and a paid upgrade.
I've noticed that panasonic cameras consistently have darker blacks on Prores files. Likely a little less DR. If you relook at the test shots for sharpness, the difference really wouldn't be that strong in the 6k h265 vs 5.8k prores if the 6k simply had contrast added to match. I don't believe the prores is actually much sharper looking at the font. Just darker.
I know the place and I'v spoken to that owner, South African fella super tall. Can I say I really liked this video, the pace and flow.
He's lovely and the coffee's great too! Thanks for watching Mashud! Jake
The S5 is a video beast so makes sense the updated version would be
if raw dng is added, I will buy it
if shooting BRAW only with manual lens, using a blackmagic video assist in 4K Dci... is there an advantage of the S5 Iix vs the regular S1 ?
Is there a way to reduce the latency down to acceptable levels? I've heard about turning off audio over HDMI but the reduction isn't enough. Would it help to reduce the output resolution? Is that even possible? Is it a hardware issue? If so, could it be fixed by replacing a component?
I really want to buy this camera but the HDMI latency is an absolute dealbreaker for me as I always use an external monitor, never rely on autofocus and often have a 1st AC pulling focus.
If theres an internal braw update, im sold
I think a lot of people would be! Jake
what we really need is something like a Panasonic version of the Nikon z8. 8k 60 stacked sensor with a 14 ms readout speed or 4.6 ms line skipped 4k and internal raw and prores, do away with the crops, the slow readout speeds, and external raw to give us a clean setup in a powerhouse of a camera. hopefully that will be the new S1H2.
what lenses did you use for the coffee house shoot?
Make a video on the G9II please.
Can you ask Panasonic to make intermediate resolution? It's like you can either 1080 or 4K and then more . But no 2.7 K or 1440p.
How good is the auto-focus on this camera now?
How muchs sharp is the HD 180fps and is there an option for 120fps but with more resolution?
Will the braw files from this cam match the blackmagic footage from bm cameras (6kpro & ursa g2)? I already have a 6k pro but looking at picking up one of these to pair with it for times where I need autofocus.
Was these videos shot before color grading?
one thing I hate about my s5 is that it doesn't down convert 4k signal to 1080p so I can't use a lot of cheaper monitors and transmitters, even the GH5 has that feature. Is it avaiable on the s5ii and s5iix?
can i use a usb c hub so that i can charge with power delivery and also use an external usb drive?
Good Day, I am interested in the name of the SSD enclosure
I would be interested if they used C-Fast type B like the GH6. It’s disappointing that everything useful needs an external SSD, because that USB C port is so damn useful for keeping a charge in the camera during long event shoot days
I think the CFExpress Type B, 4K 60p un cropped reserved for SH2.
@@udy0243 Probably. I’ll just keep running with the GH6 as our primary systems for now.
dummy battery, and an external battery, duh. Must be a bitch getting thru life with such a limited intellect
Internal RAW recording patent is with RED. Smart and early patenting is still holding the cameras of this day.
Not Nikon
2:14, i dont understand that chart, you cant use the whole sensor on higher resolutions than 1080p? Why is APS-C in front of higher resolutions, even in 24fps we will have a cropped APS-C format??
Big fan of the GH line, this looks great but this needs internal BRAW, please Panasonic 👍
Can I record in 8 bit 4k on the Panasonic S5 Mark ii x as I would like to do long form interviews in 8 bit
Rolling shutter performance?
Great overview thank you. I don’t mind the blacked out branding in front but on the buttons is a bit mad. Tipp-ex time! We need much better rolling shutter and UHD 50fps Full Frame, like the A7SIII. Without those it’s not as compelling an upgrade from my S1H. Great for a first time Panny user though. Bring on the S2H!
I'm so excited to see what the update to the S1H brings too! But yeah, for the price, this is ALOT of camera for the money. Thanks for watching/commenting Oli! Jake
I use an S1h and would probably buy a mark ii. My favorite image.
besides phas detect autofocus, this is the same sensor and performance as s1h, plus a less-quality body, worse viewfinder and screen flip mech, so wait for s1h ii as s5ii is giving u the s1h-spec with great price tage, s1hii will be the next gen flagship
Have you really tested it side by side?
How's autofocus on this camera?
Hi there, great review. You mention things, that the vast majority of the other reviews don't have on the screen. You have some really useful overview-tabels. Would it be possible to publish the links or pdf in the shownotes? Would be awesome. Thanks!!!
This will be my first lumix camera, and hopefully a good addition to my Varicam family.
Thanks for the review. Answered a lot of questions.
I’d Would love to see what kind of image this camera can render w Zeiss Otus lenses 🔪 👀
s5 mark 2 does have prores?
Can it do no crop in 4k60 with ssd?
does it still lose pdaf at 1080 50?
Hey man - I’m wondering what your thoughts are on this camera in comparison to the C70…I found a c70 bundle for $4200. C70 worth the extra, or is the S5iix capable enough for the $2k less? Looking to do short films and client work.
Get the C70. The fast Leica primes you would want to shoot with this are more than the C70 bundle.
@@michaelbell75 c70 bundle didn’t come with any lenses, just batteries cage and EF to rf. I was thinking of pairing with sigma art f/1.8 but worry the Panasonic will be close enough and cheaper in image quality plus full frame. Thoughts?
@@philrodfilms If my main focus was video, I would take the cinema camera every time.
@@michaelbell75 why specifically? S5iix full Dean with external ssd support and external raw support and more codecs. Devils advocate here but for about half the price, why still choose super 35 c70?
Great video! But is over $2K (body only) really affordable? 😅
LOL get a better job or take up a different hobby/profession
The big question I have is can you stream rtsp/rtmp locally to OBS on a laptop over ad hoc wifi from multiple s5iix's for easy wireless multicam monitoring with no extra hardware? Frankly the only thing added that seems useful is the streaming and the only thing it seems useful for would be using the wireless video feed on a local network.
Streaming wired HDMI via phones or laptops and a $10 dongle is so trivial these days the streaming capabilities otherwise seem fairly pointless and the massive prores and intra formats seem like a somewhat poor fit with such an inexpensive camera with a fairly old sensor. Anyone with the budget to handle massive files will probably look to other cameras that don't record over a flimsy USB cable, and in practice the intra files never seem worth it for 4x larger files with no noticeable quality improvement in practice. Proresraw and braw both seem somewhat software-limited and praw is so huge and doesn't offer that much benefit for cameras that record with dynamic range and noise that fits quite well in a 10b log container anyway.
ROTFLMFAO right slick
I’m sure you heard this before Sony fx 3 or this ? (LUMIX s5iiX) 😅
Does it have TC In?
the new g9 mark 2 will have prores kinda weird the s5 mark 2 doesn't have it
Panasonic s5 2x vs bmpcc 6k pro ?
Nice
They already did what I usually do. Blacked out the label
You can get 8TB Gen4 SSD for as little as 170 USD (not a typo) now a days, grab an external case for around 20 USD and say bye to SD cards. Also, someone should release a RAID 1 version of the external enclosure for redundancy backup, professional filmmaker would very much like that.
What camera do you use for youtube?
This is a mix of Panasonic S5 II, S5 IIX and RED KOMODO. Jake
is this better then the xh2s for video? i do weddings and realesate
I think the big difference between the two is the usability and tools available when shooting video, the S5II X is much better in this regard! The IBIS is also incredible in the S5IIX which will be good for run n gun work like Weddings. Jake
Seems like a great camera, but I'm not a fan of the blackout branding. It's fine on the logos, but not on the buttons, I like being able to see my settings clearly and quickly. Wish they had gone with red if they wanted a different color
Learn your camera, I never look down at my dials unless I am totally unsure of what I am doing and that is rare. It's called practice
SF IIX or FX30? 🤔
Really? If you value extended firmware support, much better built, better sensor and video specs to work with, there is only one choice: 5IIx
Why didn't they include a low pass filter 😢
Does this camera have real time eye autofocus... For video...????
Yes it does. Jake
@@CVPTV 🤔
I thought it can record raw to an ssd, but I guess I want too much for the price
Afraid not :( Jake
S5IIX seems like a reality affordable BEAST of a camera but rigging and memory support will be a big added expense cause why else would I pay extra for those codecs and not use ‘em! Sad none off the higher resolution modes aren’t supported in CF express Type B card. Just invested in those cards for my gh6
Is it possible to charge the camera and Record to SSD at the same time?
no. you can but wiht a dummy battery.
I would have been all over this camera if it could do 4k60 without crop. But I will keep my S5 since I don't care about af.
I think you can record to ssd without crop
It’s not possible for the S5ii or S5iix and not because Panasonic doesn’t want you to have it, and is software blocking it, but rather that the sensor readout speed is not high enough to facilitate full frame downsampled 4k with no crop at anything higher than 30p
even the sony a7iv cant do 4k 60p without crop. the only camera in this range that can do 4k 60p without crop and oversampled from 6k, is the canon r6ii. even the canon r8 at $1500 also with same sensor can do 4k60p without crop.
Get the canon r8 or sony then.. No crop
@@thebramputra The Sony doesn' have 4k 60p w/out a crop. Sure you could get the R6ii, but you would loose out on a lot (!) of professional video tools (eg. Waveform, spot metering, codecs, ...)
Yikes, I got mine for $3000AUD, which is like £1600, why is camera so much more expensive in UK??
i have the S52X. 50 FPS Fullframe is not possible, only in APS-C. I hate this so much, if I had known that before purchasing, I wouldn't have bought it.
So you can't record BRAW directly to an SDD?
No, only to an external Blackmagic Video Assist. Jake
@@CVPTV OK thanks Jake. Still getting the camera but now have to think about rigging it out more.
Disappointed there’s no FF 4:3 in ProRes or All Intra! 🤦🏻♂️
Is there an option to output open gate to SSD?
PS: Am I correct that it's impossible to output open gate braw because of HDMI limitations and it's never going to happen?
Now put the AF in the micro four thirds cameras ffs
How future proof the L mount is?
well how long has Leica been around? duh
@@silbay Yeah, sure, Leica is a beast hard to kill, but it has nothing to do with its longevity in the camera market, it’s a matter of alliance between Leica and Panasonic and Sigma. If, at some point they decide the L mount isn’t profitable enough, they can shut it down.
And as for the history, the classic Leica is the M mount. Duh.
But OK, maybe I’m being paranoid🙂
Well now that Blackmagic 6k is in L mount, I think its safe to say there will be a long future.@@doctorkj5640
Does it have OLPF ????
No it does not :( Jake
@@CVPTV hey thanks for the reply, learnt lot about stuff from your channel,. During COVID it helped me keep mind out of the whole damn stupid situation🙏🏽🙏🏽
So. Now Panasonic too using the canon hammer ?? Haha I guess I'll have to wait for a perfect camera somewhere around 2-3grands,..
c70 seems a perfect all round camera but it around 6quids
So sad the condor blue handle uses Sandisk SSDs of all options available. I bet they are quite annoyed about the whole Sandisk scandal...
is it as good at computational videography as my iphone 14 pro max in cinema mode?
Why the heck can't they make it record 4k120 with no crop? Would be perfect. Same frame rates as previous generation, sigh
It can't even do 4k60 without crop. 4k120 is asking for much.
@@nigerian-nightmare a7s3 will be 4yo this year, it can do 4k120 no crop. Why Panasonic guys cant include this feature tho? My fav cam is Lumix S1, so we need the S1m2 with 4k180 :)
@@TonyLaPron because the a7s3 is a 12mp camera and this one is 24mp and costs a thousand dollars less.
Maybe cos the price, at 2k usd none full frame camera that can do 4K 120 (I think) so probably they are reserving that feature to more expensive model like the s1 :p
the a74 has a crop at 4k60 as well. In order for them to bring down the cost of the camera they need to use an affordable sensor. its a limitation of the sensors read out speed. The rolling shutter is about 21ms when recording 4k FF. When filming in 24fps each frame lasts for 41.664ms (Milliseconds) If were to film at 48fps each frame would last for 20.832ms. With a rolling shutter of over 21ms it is not possible for this sensor to film at high frame rates without a crop. There is nothing they can do about the 4k60 crop through firmware, however I do hope they are able to at least reduce the crop in 48/50fps modes to a 1.2X crop.
Can you take photos to external SSD?
Yes
lens use in shoot
Zeiss Otus 85mm f/1.4
Zeiss Milvus 100mm f/2.8
Panasonic 50mm f/1.4
Panasonic 20-60mm
@@CVPTV thx
Bro you look like indian bollywood actor hrithik Roshan ❤😂
Saved $200... bought a black sharpie instead.
Why crop at 4K 60?? It's nearly 2024
Be careful with the All-intra recording. It doesn't always mean better quality, as the compression less efficient that long-GOP. I guess the All-i files will always be easier to read, but the quality of an H265 long-gop recording is way better than the one of a Prores All-i with the same bitrate.
Uhm no.
@@RubenStuveling ok
I wish for a Sony version of this camera🥹
FX30 VS S5IIX?
Do you own any lenses already? Jake
@@CVPTV *Geoff. No I do not. I usually rent gear to do my projects.
@@GeoffClarkeCovenantPrez If you value extended firmware support, much better built, better sensor and video specs to work with, there is only one choice: 5IIx
I do. I guess what I prefer with the Sony it’s the body is a lot less hybrid and way more video centric. However, they seem very different to me and I really wanted a direct comparison. No one has done though.
they really need to include some kind of SSD bracket in the box if they're really touting the external prores function. Pretty lame too that Panasonic is again charging for arbitrary firmware locked features like Prores RAW. The original S5 already came with it on board and it was one of its main value propositions.
so buy a Sony and never get updates