BATTLESHIPS VS STURMTIGERS - WHAT DOES IT TAKE? (+Bonus Round w/ All Ground Tech) - WAR THUNDER
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ต.ค. 2024
- Hey guys! Welcome back to the Thunder with Muffin channel. A new challenge in War Thunder is waiting for you in this video. BATTLESHIPS VS STURMTIGERS; USS WYOMING, USS ARIZONA, SHARNHORST + IJN HARUNA!!! Stay tuned!
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Whoever requested to have him show a clip of the Tanks spawning inside of each other has had there wish granted lol.
We meet again.
@@FishyFishaz ahhh, the legend of Fishaz. A worthy oponet you are...
@@Nativeat1YT When the hell did I become a legend or a worthy opponent. I am a shit player who posts crappy shorts on TH-cam when I am bored.
@@FishyFishaz if you are still able to live after playing wt you are both of those things, or someone who has nothing better to do lol
Lookin like sturm mitosis
Respect to my man, FrightRider07 for choosing to go hand-in-hand combat against battleships with a PT-76
Boat vs boat
Funnily, that's the best place to be, right up until the crew notices and grabs rifles and grenades.
You see comrade to beat battleship you must become battleship
@@deathwolf_gaming4697 b o o m b o o m s
@@stillcantbesilencedevennow Well then the PT-76 crew will board the ship and literally go hand-to-hand combat
"Who knew an aircraft carrier would be so deadly against battleships"
Yamamoto, I guess
Usually aircraft carriers are far superior to battleships tactically… unless your HMS Glorious.
That line from him was so dumb is this TH-camr ok? At least it sounded dumb-tzun tzu
@@gabesisneros136 he doesn't have a clue...
The game isn't able to figure this fight out...the battleship would dominate those little tanks.
@@Docthewrench those little tanks are shooting the equivalent of 250kg bombs, that can for sure heavily damage a battleship and even sink it.
@@hashteraksgage3281 yeah but the battleships out range with all their guns. In this fight the battle ship gave up it'd range...put the range at several thousand meters .
Loading a 1000lb warhead
But what do I know, I am responding on youtube.
I mean, I'm pretty sure the Sturmtiger's gun was a naval mortar to begin with.
Depth mine charge launcher/ dispenser. Same difference
Isn’t it like the eq of 14 inch he?
It was around the same size as the shells of the Bismarck
Its 11 inch rocket gun was strong enough to blast through 8 ft of concrete . So it has the firepower to blast through most things . The sturmtigers is basically a walking anti ship gun with a 3.5 mile shooting range
Wow. You managed to get all 4 naval players together. Hats off to you
I wasn't invited damnit
@@laff__8821 me neither
loool
ngl those small boats (I forgor how it's called) are fun
@@user-fe7bo5mm1o weakest coastal fleet enjoyer
I think this showed some of the limits of WT; even if a 12" or 14" shell doesn't penetrate, that tank is going to get launched into orbit from it. I noticed once you introduced ships with lots of AA guns, they fared much better, ie they can start to put a lot of rapid heavy fire (40mm cannon is no joke).
Yep I'd expect tanks to flip over just from the kinetic impact. No penetration means much of the kinetic energy of the shell is transferred directly to the sturms.
Those 14" shells weigh around 1,400 lb.
Agreed, and anyone inside a tank that is shoved that hard, that quickly, is gonna be mince from the sudden acceleration.
It'd be like sitting in a parked car and having a supersonic wall of bricks smash in to you.
When the Battleships POV in the second round was shown it made it clear as to why the sturmtigers were blocking shells. He was using pure HE at the time and hitting the 180mm plate on the sturmtiger.
Yeah that made sense once I noticed that from that player
Shouldn't have overpressured the crew?
@@quarkedbutt3957 🤷♂️
@@quarkedbutt3957 realistically, yes, but also gaijin
@@quarkedbutt3957 well yeah, but you can't have your premium tanks getting killed via reality
I think being able to fire into spawn in the round of chaos was a little unfair but this is maximum silliness and I love it
At the same time, that's a very Guardsman like moment. Spawn my tanks, so your corpses can form a wall for your brothers to hide behind!
@@BubblefishOfTrem Take cover behind the pile of dead bards
The sheer amount of firepower from a battleship from WWII was most aptly displayed in the final round. I feel it was the most realistic.
Yeah I agree
Yeah people only think of the main guns, but forgot about the whole AA and auxiliary arsenal + the amount of HE they can carry to demolish an entire town
WT's damage model cannot accurately model the destructive force of a battleship's main armament. The kinetic energy alone from one of its HE shells can destroy any tank in game, even if it impacts armor plate that should on paper resist it's explosive force, nevermind the overpressure, the sheer kinetic energy would be enough to turn it into scrap.
Misses from BB guns were in reality known to throw tanks into the air, even from AP shells with small explosive filler charges.
@@Procrastinater that's also a problem for derp guns and arty calls. Any HE bigger than 150mm should make any tanks fear for their life, shake them around and break shit. But we only got a hit on direct hit that isn't exactly on the thinnest part of the tank
Which is why i always wanted bomb logic to be integrated for guns above certain caliber. They shake and flip tanks, destroy shit on near miss, and guarantees destruction within a radius
@@piscessoedroen I heard somewhere that there were Abrams in the Gulf war that were hit by old Soviet 152mm artillery, and they were badly damaged.
16:10 is probably the best thing about ww2 battleships and cruisers, the sheer amount of lead it can throw at you when all its guns are in range.
I'd shit my pants if I were in an open top.
About 32,000kg per minute on a full broadside from an Iowa class with all guns in fact. They are basically throwing a whole car worth of metal and high explosive at you every 2 seconds, even more if you also count the batteries on the other side of the ship
It was awesome to see the sheer volume of tracers being fired from the ships. Would be cool to see if the jagtiger could go against destroyers
IRL? Not a chance.
Whenever you see a battleship light up light up like a christmas tree, then a billion tracers come straight at you.
The AA from the warships was frighteningly deadly in that last round. So many tracers.
Crazy, as a former World of Warships player learning the sheer scale difference between tanks and ships was mindblowing!
though for this challenge, I'd probably use my AVRE, you can basically artillery the ships from safety, and enough protection that anything that isnt a main battery should not hurt you.
Another thing I am impressed the game can handle the amount of firepower those ships put out!
I mean, if you want to do it that way, make it fair and let the ship engage from their optimal range as well, which is about 10km - 20km with their bi plane as reconnaissance unit......
@@Yayaloy9 Most spotter planes were monoplane designs, not biplanes.
@@grahamstrouse1165 Eh my mistake, i meant float planes. But still my point stands.
16:11 this scene looks more like it's a flak fire and view is from the plane's bombview perspective
Fun fact: the 38cm Sturmmörser was based off of a naval launcher
Depth charge launcher i find that funny
12:47 Bro used an anti tank missle against a battleship I started laughing so hard
I mean if it penetrates and hits the ammo then it could 1 shot it
@@cideltacommand7169 I’m not a historian or a naval expert so take what I’m about to say with salt, anyway the uss Texas had a belt armour of 305mms of armour so let’s assume this atgm has 1000mms of rha penetration for simplicity now first I’m pretty sure the armour on a battleship is spaced which severely lowers the effectiveness of heat warheads plus after it goes through the belt it would have to get through a well protected barbette which is where I’m pretty sure the ammo would be stored plus there’s a lot of space whether it’s armour or air or anything in between there is a lot of space between the armour and the ammo making it very unlikely the heat would reach the magazine’s,
I would like to mention that I took a lot of assumptions and simplified it a lot since there are just so many variables and as I said I am not a expert of any sort and know very little relating to history the navy or the military but from what I know it would likely never make it to any of the magazines.
not sure on why I even posted this but hey here we are now.
@@LavaDa1shi Tl:DR size is a defence all its own
It was a lot of fun playing in this event, can't wait till the next one
I think it would be cool if all 3 vehicle types were in the same battle. But ships can only be a few miles away and instead of arty you just ask a ship to hit a certain part of the map instead of artillery coming from nowhere. This may be a dumb idea but I think it would be cool for a event just to see if it could work
If you have real players in the ships, they are absolutely going to ignore the arty calls and instead spread as much mayhem as they please until they run out of ammo
Fair enough
@@joey_f4ke238 I would do that mayhem seems fun
Just make it so the tank battles happen fairly far inland
9:35
That’s seeing your death 3 seconds before it hits you 💀
As a naval player I'm not sure if these battleships had additional limitations but I feel like a better battleship player could have survived longer and eliminated more targets. Was entertaining to watch however
This video is really awesome and funny to see lots of ground vehicles get turned into scrap metal. 🎆 I do hope you can make more of these amazing challenges.
Best strategy would have been Katyusha behind a hill and moving around a lot (the more Katyushas the better) I think
I don’t think katyusha rockets are big enough to do significant damage to a battleship.
@@vaccuumrolls7243 nope, to small. You are correct
I would love to see helicopters versus Battleships. This video was great
Awesome video man! For sure the most exiting and unique event so far!! 🤣
Seeing the ships in Thermals from the Lav-AD POV is very cool
I'm the LAV lmao
That was absolute madness and I loved it,
I dint play WT anymore, really should, I love naval history but life...
I wonder how the invincible would of done in this scenario
I’m surprised I didn’t see any Object 279s in the final round, their hull and shapes would have made them a bit more difficult to knock out, especially with the rather ludicrous armor values one would have from an elevated position.
any of modern MBTs will have much better protection, due to composites etc
@@КанистраКеросина except for the fact that these shells often will cause overpressure because they’re either HE shells or armor piercing with huge amount of explosive filler, most MBTs would find themselves overwhelmed pretty fast and probably killed pretty fast thanks to overpressure hitting weak roof armor on their hulls or just side armor, I chose the 279 as something that would do well because it lacks any real weak roof armor for the hull along its frontal arc and is extremely blast resistant against explosives like bombs and High Explosive shells.
@@Mrskydoesminecraft1tbh someone tested the object 279 and believe or not it can survive the Lancaster biggest bomb so like it made to be he invunrable
The ship doesn't have to be stuck in the coastal waters that would be quite different
well, yes, IRL, battleships were feared at shore bombardment, they can safely bombard from 10km+ distance
@@zahylon5993 and imagine 10 canons raining on you
@@zahylon5993 Battleships would be overkill, a "small" destroyer would be enough to rain Hell on almost everything on the ground.
@@Noooo23523 Imagine a car dealership's worth of HE shells being rained down on you over the course of 30 minutes
This is fun. But also shows how much work naval needs in terms of damage models and how fire and flooding works
I'd imagine ground and naval aren't in the same normal game mode because blue water ships can stand off outside the range of almost any ground vehicle's ordinance and hammer them with their main guns. Also, very few ground vehicles have ordinance that can penetrate the side armor of blue water ships, so damage would have to be starting fires and possibly disabling guns via penetrating turret armor.
No way a 3-4” gun is gonna make a dent in the turret armor of a major warship.
@@grahamstrouse1165 most modern tanks with 500-700mm of penetration be like
@@DeadAccount53885 probably gonna a few turret crew which can be replaced. The massive space inside of naval vessels is a problem for tank shells
@@sherlocksinha2435 Yeah you are right there. It would definitely not do much damage but it could easily penetrate.
@@DeadAccount53885 Good luck hitting the magazine of a ship while going through its main belt, coal /diesel tanks , second belt and then a metric fuck ton of bulkheads to reach your destination
Seeing a Baltimore lobbing 203 super heavy from a mile away is perhaps the last thing I would wish to experience...
you should do planes against battleships
The Arizona is is a monster of a ship and it's cool to be in game i think it a good tribute for the irl Arizona's fate
I’m surprised that I didn’t see the otomatic or the Swedish automatic artillery.
more modern smaller ships could be used in a ground v air v naval game mode
I have an idea, could be neat but mayb not. Try taking the U.S.S Alaska vs a bunch of reserve bi planes, or some lower tier aircraft. The Alaska has CRAZY amounts of AA so it might make an interesting fight
Might aswell recreate the Bismarck incident.
I’m sure it’s in the works but I’d love to see a battleship or like 2 heavy cruisers vs a swarm of old torpedo bombers like swordfish
Watching a volley of battleship main gun shells coming towards you looks utterly terrifying!
I also believe that if a 15 inch AP shell hit a sturmtiger on the front it would simply go through the entire thing and just leave a mangled wreck.
Epic my gosh the Sturmtiger is just amazing, great video
40 (or more) p.108 A vs 1-2 battleships?
In real life everyone in those tanks would have gone deaf fr
My god the last round, when they all unleashed all of the guns so epic.
i personally would've taken my object 279, as it has the firepower of some heavy cruisers, good reload aswell as the armor to bounce a full volley of battleship rounds
Maybe he hase more the firepower of a light cruiser than heavy cruiser, and I don't think he can make bounce a full volley, maybe some shell but not all
@@amaurycap8034 the chances of all 9 battleship rounds hitting a target that small are basically 0
16:00 holy shit, the amount of ammo being shit from those ships.
Superior ships!!!!!
Also what ground vehicle would bring?
Probably su 152.
I haven't got very far in war thunder so it's most likely the best I've got.
Chaos probably would have not ended so poorly for the Tanks if they were given time to prepare and also had multiple respawn locations.
The funny thing was is that there is multiple spawn locations near the same spot and I mentioned to people there was but I think some were having too much fun spawning in the same spot
@@ThunderWithMuffin That is interesting to hear. Still, great content, I look forward to the next one.
@@ThunderWithMuffin I bet it was the Katyusha truck that enjoyed being briefly an airplane.
IRL if a battleship hit a tank directly you wouldn’t even know the tank was there 😂
I thought of an interesting challenge: The Most Heavily Armored Ground Vehicles vs The Most Heavily Armored Bluewater & Coastal Ships
Woah this video is nuts, now I wanna take it up a notch and see tanks that use naval guns ( OTOMATIC, Stürmtiger, SU-100Y) against a bunch of ships
I would destroy you in a second with sf40 boy
damn the battleship's light arms is quite the firework show and completly obliterated the tanks.
Bonus round: "it's raining tracers, hallelujah!"
I would say the maus tanks vs costal ships or reserve ships would be a interesting match up.
The sheet volume of fire at 16:00 minutes is amazing. Surprised any actually bounced thst much
Dude 3:54 those sturmtigers having fun? I'm missing out of the group
For the memes I would have picked the LVT. But for effectiveness, the 15cm SiG mobile artillery piece.
Reminds me of the Golden Gate Bridge Destruction scene from Godzilla 2014
Let the ships go full auto on their secondaries and see how long anything lasts...
5:03 Vehicle on left violating the no smoking rule of the vehicle on the right.
I’m surprised nobody chose Alaska
And next one planes vs ships
Link to dowload this map?
I love the multiple tracers in the last round
The first time one of those Sturmtigers landed its Mega Tic Tac of Doom on me I thought my game had glitched. Then I realized it had actually happened and couldn't help but laugh my ass off. It looked like a cartoon. XD
EDIT: "HEEHEE! Boat go BRRRRRRT!"
Loved the video but the ships probably could have lasted alot longer if that fires and flooding was managed
Stroomtiger like💀
Edit the strumtiger was originally gonna be a warship calliber
The last minute fireworks are as the name suggests in WoWs.
Can't believe I didn't see an SU-100Y since its literally a naval gun in a casemate
What absolute chaos
When the map called "Explore Alaska" would pop up in the custom battles tab, I would take my M4A3 (105) Sherman there and sit on the beach just to shoot at the naval ships that were camping by the back of the map and they would be so angry with me because I kept blowing their wheelhouse up with heat shells. I even exploded an ammo room once on a ship with a very lucky AP shell placement.
Try 105 Sherman's next!
I remember beating a lower rank bluewater warship in what was basically a duel on a custom server in my Soviet twin 25mm AA Milk Truck.
I really hope play like this can be played normally in custom battles
I wanna see A-10 vs battleship. I wanna see the cannon try to rip up a deck
M65 atomic cannon, often called Atomic Annie vs USS New Jersey (BB-62)
Ideally, the battleships would all be a dozen or more miles off shore with air or marine spotters guiding their barrages. The ground vehicles might never see what hit them.
Honestly just a lot of the really really big anti tank guns probably would’ve done well
When ground forces are pitched against sea... always bet on the ground forces... they don't sink
Moral of the story: pick a blue water vessel with good secondary armament
Whoever was playing as the ship has trash aim it’s easy as hell to aim in naval
K bud
You weren't lying the last battle with absolute fucking Anarchy among everyone lol🤣🤣🤣
Main battery shells nonpenning on a tank is such a great demonstration of how broken volumetric is.
Thank you for doing this video. Not sure if you did it based off my comment or not but thank you thank you thank you
against these battleships i would have used a Leopard A1A1(L/44) since it has great shell types and speed making it a harder target, plus the thermals make it quite useful during night combat as well.
Sadly the Leo l44 used to get d23 and 33 long ago but they removed those now only the Tam 2ip gets the 23
Yep looks like they made there own D-Day bombardment
There's one thing can handle those battleships, A-222E mobile coastal artellery, effective range 22km, 12 rounds per minute, designed to kill ships. Just not in War Thunder though
Volumetrics are a bane of everything. :x
its been a long time since this vid got out but, Battleships vs Modern/Latest tanks
In reality though, the poor Sturm's wouldn't even have a target they could see available in this battle. But I get it, it's science, yo!
Sturmtiger did It really good!!!
realistically, they couldve just used a tiny/fast boat or a submarine as a loophole
Again there is a lot here that could have been done so the battle ships won like not having the side of the hull (aka most times the weakest point in the hill amor) facing where most of the tanks were that’s just asking to get sunk quickly most good naval players know that when facing a lot of people at once you NEVER try and do a board side cause not only like I said before that part is the weakest point in the hill armor but more then likely people are going to be using HE shells which eat through your crew hella fast even if you have good armor which is why facing the front of your ship towards them can make it harder to set you on fire and plus then you won’t have to worry about flooding for the most part
But good job anyways
part of the issue here is, the battleships guns aren't modeled per say. In truth the battleships wouldn't be fireing AP here, there would be no need to, they would just fire HE.
now the Scharnhorst is a light weight, most US battleships come with 16" guns... but even the little 11" guns on the Scharnhorst had over 250 lbs of explosive filler in them. think about that. thats about the equivilent of a 500 pound bomb landing "near" a tank. 8 of them opening up, they only need to be in the right zip code, and all the tanks there are gone.
So this basically show that war thunder is broken as can be if a battleship cannot take out a tank with one shot with anything but is anti-aircraft gun
Plz do battleships vs planes. The battleships needs to get from A to B and the planes have to stop Them!😄
I was wondering which map would allow tanks, Aircraft and ships
Ive seen a video of a naval cruiser vs a ton tanks in Poland map
I had to download a special map to do this
@@ThunderWithMuffinhow do you download these maps
@@georgeraines9020 from war thunders missions site I believe
@@ThunderWithMuffin ah thanks for the help
I would choose the vehicle RTR kiwi was in.
3:54 funniest shit lol
maybe if the battleship had been firing HE instead of AP during round 1, he would've had more success. lol
i wanna see the KV1000 vs naval ships
The BB fired AP for some reason, didn't ripple fire and looks like a lot of the ST's didn't even rangefind or use their sight indications.
Were the players drafted from preminum only arcade players?
I'd love to see this format done with a proper ww2 air wing vs a ww2 cruiser and destroyer fleet.
I think the fv4005 with a giant hash round might to good at damaging modules