I’ve been getting a lot of comments that I’m incorrect with my measurements at around 1:46 when I say 3 kilometers. 3 kilometers is 3000 m which is 1.86 miles which is correct so I don’t know why there’s so much confusion on the measurements I’m stating in the video. However at 2:50 I did mean to say 2500 m and not kilometers.
I feel like the Abrams might have had better luck with HEAT - part of the issue with balancing Maus is that it's no good against post-war HEAT-slingers.
@@jebediahkerman3826 The M830 still goes through 480mm of armour - twice as much as the Maus has on its hull. I think it would probably be more consistent at messing up the crew and other things inside the tank than just punching a hole through it would.
@@1stViscountessNivlac apfsds spalls more than a heat shell because it travels inside the tank making spall when the apfsds hits an armour plate or module while heat only creates a single jet that can be caught by magic fuel tanks. Apfsds is superior than heat unless its an extremely long range engagement where apfsds has traveled so far it cant pen a maus but wt dosent have big enough maps for that
@@jebediahkerman3826The M830 can pen at angles the APFSDS can’t in game. In real life it wouldn’t be bouncing as much as it does in game. But in game the HEATFS would have more post pen damage, and pen at more insane angles.
Realistically, in a tank battle, if your tank is penetrated there is like a 95% chance your crew is bailing out regardless of how bad the internal damage actually is. This was especially true with how much worse most of the German tank crews were towards the end of the war due to attrition. This is why heavy tanks died after WW2. One penetration and all the effort that went into manufacturing the behemoth went to waste. When APDS and later APFSDS were developed, armor penetration became so effective on guns that could be mounted on a medium chassis that massive tanks were made redundant. Even tanks that weren't penetrated had crews bail out, like Tigers that had all their optics destroyed
Pretty much why Battleships fell out of favor. Anti-ship missile warfare over the horizon that far outranged big battleship cannons, far more accurate, and vastly superior armor penetration, not to mention carriers with entire airwings that carry anti-ship missiles. Heavy and thick belt armor as well as massive cannons became obsolete to lighter faster missile cruisers and carriers.
@@Mcree114you know what’s funny because of that. Modern ships would have a decently hard time sinking like an iowa class battleship. They aren’t designed to penetrate that belt armor anymore
Also note too, in real life situations, most single-pen events are enough to make the tank crew bail. They arent going to stay in a tank if the driver and gunner get plastered, and the tranny is metal shavings. So i dont think it would have mattered as much.
Muffin is a true amarican 🦅 Buuuuut he mess up between meters and kilometers, Yes an Abrams can shot up to 3 meters, but what he want to say was 3 kilometers (3000 meters)
@@ThunderWithMuffin the right maus at 0:12 seems more like the mauerbrecher, from wot lmao And yes mauerbrecher was its name, and it had a prototyp, it was the maus but the tower at the front, not the back
We don't use imperial. We use US customary, because our take on Imperial actually does differ a little bit from Imperial. And no, sorry. It's a fixture that's here to stay forever, though we might consider it if all the smelly loser countries that use the decimal comma and thousands separator point decide to stop being smelly losers that are utter laughing stocks even amongst metricese speaking nations.
One thing that really peeved me was that in the first battle the abrams could have used commander sight to fire and peek over the hill line while remaining covered. Though, he could have been using commander sights and the match replay wasn't displaying it
@@jackschoonover6418 the only way a .50 is able to kill a maus by shooting right down the barrel to damage the breach and possibly kill a crew member. no where else can the .50 pen the maus as the the penetration on the .50 in WT is about 36mm's and the maus has at least 100mm's to 200mm's of armor all around. so please if you don't know what you're talking about shut up
Do you think you could do some more overhead footage for the next one? I like the close up action but some more views of the overall battle would be cool since that's a perspective you don't get to see very often as a player.
Yeah I’ll try to do more in the ones to come after the next vid that comes out since I already recorded the footage and a major game update doesn’t let me go back to record more
Bit of some info the maus we have in game and in real life is a mixture of 2 different models one of a turret where the hull was destroyed and one where the turret was destroyed but the hull survived. Both being completed and fully operational at that.
Would be really funny to see a noob player (maybe even someone who’s never played the game before) in a top tier MBT fight a bunch of experienced players playing reserve tanks
It’s not funny to see play literally any top tier game right now it’s full of sub level 10 retards who purchased the m1a1 aim and numerous t80s that spawn once and leave when they’re inevitably blown to shit
The problem with this sim is that the Abrams was never designed to hold a line. It was designed to punch through them. High speed, rapid firing engagements. It's the modern take on the panzer 3 and panzer 4's. Yes it is designed to take hits from RPG type projectiles but never to get hull down or sidescrape a building.
It is also designed for hulldown, why would it not be designed for hulldown? all the crews are on the turret for maximum protection, along with a 9 or 10 degrees of depression, and a very thick amount of turret armor. That said, most tanks are designed like that because they are also designed for hulldown if they have to hold a line. The high speed of abrams also lets it take a position and hold the line, and if needed to retreat or push, it can do what needs to be done. It's not singlehandedly designed to punch through enemy defense line.
The Abrams was designed to do all the roles. So what you said is factually incorrect. If what you said was true it would no longer be an “MBT”. But a “Light Tank/Medium Tank”.
the biggest problem with these "comparisons" is they get to use video game controls for wwii vehicles that would have been so much less coordinated and responsive. not to mention the situational awareness difference between using sight glass back then compared to cameras and thermals.
You have to take the stats from any game with a grain of salt as there is bound to be some amount of balancing for fair play. In reality, an APFSDS round from any modern MBT would punch through a Maus like a hot knife through butter and easily destroy it in one hit. The first battle would have been over before it even began.
The Abrams can kill tanks further than 4k meters. We just get told not to engage until about 3,500 and in depending on the target also it seems these players have never heard of a berm drill or how to maneuver as a platoon
Great video! Really got me wondering now how they would really fair in RL... this reminds me of the battle of 73 eastings. Where M1 battle tanks faced off against a more sizeable force of russian tanks and got stomped because of the technology that the M1 had...
imagine a Modern day MBT that weighs 188 tons, it would have to be the most valuable asset to defend as a single bomb could kill it, (yes it should have APS for slower projectiles)
Modern Main Battle Tanks weight as much as King Tigers, but move faster than Panzer IVs and Shermans. Their front armor is stronger than the Maus because of advanced composite armors.
Dumb, just like the original. Not only are planes still very much a thing but guided missiles are a huge factor on the modern battlefield. A gigantic, heavy, crawling vehicle like the Maus would be a perfect target for any long range guided missiles to delete off the face off the Earth.
@@ddandymann Just put a laser system on it that shoots down the big missiles and it will be fine.Something like the one Rheinmetal made for drones.Or you can just mount a 20-30mm hmg on its back and have it fire shrapnel shells at incoming missiles like the next generation AA of Rheinmetal
@@creatorchris712 A laser of that power requires too much energy to ever be mounted on a tank. That’s why the only working ones are either directly plugged into the power grid or on naval ships. The auto cannon would take up too much space to be of use. That’s why no one puts extra auto cannons on tanks after they tested that idea in the 60s and 70s. And that still doesn’t solve the issue of transporting or maintaining the obese thing. Modern tanks are already on the verge of being to heavy.
2C bis horde vs Abrams when? They survive very well at top tier because of just how many crew they have (and they're compartmentalized too like a battleship). The relatively thin armor also spalls less from APFSDS.
should of done 4 abrams vs them cause in US Army we have 4 tanks to a platoon also as i dont play warthunder so im not sure how realistic it is but i was a crew memeber in an m1a2sep in early 2000's with the abrams you can fire on the move, it seems like the guys driving the abrams stood still to much you should always be moving in and out of cover every shot
Wow an actual member of a tank crew ! If they moved out of cover they would be dead in seconds because a far bigger portion of the tank would be exposed and with a single lucky shot disabling the tracks everyone would turn and shoot and most probably kill.Hull down theyre unpenetrable from the ww2 gun on the maus and thus safe.Although with enough hits of that calliber the armor of the abrams would turn to dust and eventually get penned but this is a game.On a final note yes they do have a stabilizer in game but they would miss more shots if they moved also as i said earlier expose themselfs a lot more.
I’ve been getting a lot of comments that I’m incorrect with my measurements at around 1:46 when I say 3 kilometers. 3 kilometers is 3000 m which is 1.86 miles which is correct so I don’t know why there’s so much confusion on the measurements I’m stating in the video. However at 2:50 I did mean to say 2500 m and not kilometers.
i see that aim bot....
why the reticle is having a Parkinson's ???? is that a bug from Gaijin!?!?!?!
@@zarthemad8386 it’s called Gaijin’s reply system
@@adspie it's probably because the tank is moving, so it's shaking like that because Gaijin.
Remember that people thought there was more burger in a quater pounder than a third pounder.
I feel like the Abrams might have had better luck with HEAT - part of the issue with balancing Maus is that it's no good against post-war HEAT-slingers.
M829A2 APFSDS of abrams has more pen that M830 HEAT shell.
@@jebediahkerman3826 The M830 still goes through 480mm of armour - twice as much as the Maus has on its hull. I think it would probably be more consistent at messing up the crew and other things inside the tank than just punching a hole through it would.
@@1stViscountessNivlac apfsds spalls more than a heat shell because it travels inside the tank making spall when the apfsds hits an armour plate or module while heat only creates a single jet that can be caught by magic fuel tanks. Apfsds is superior than heat unless its an extremely long range engagement where apfsds has traveled so far it cant pen a maus but wt dosent have big enough maps for that
@@jebediahkerman3826The M830 can pen at angles the APFSDS can’t in game. In real life it wouldn’t be bouncing as much as it does in game. But in game the HEATFS would have more post pen damage, and pen at more insane angles.
@@llthk138HEATFS has higher dmg multipliers. It’s not 105 HEATFS but yeah depends.
"The abrams is able to hit a target accurately from 3 meters away. " 3:41
avg americans knowledge on the metric system
@@ok-70707LOL
Thats not wrong actually
"WHAT THE FUCK IS A KILOMETER?!"
@@ok-70707 metric system this metric system that, brother show me a system where someone asked
Realistically, in a tank battle, if your tank is penetrated there is like a 95% chance your crew is bailing out regardless of how bad the internal damage actually is. This was especially true with how much worse most of the German tank crews were towards the end of the war due to attrition. This is why heavy tanks died after WW2. One penetration and all the effort that went into manufacturing the behemoth went to waste. When APDS and later APFSDS were developed, armor penetration became so effective on guns that could be mounted on a medium chassis that massive tanks were made redundant. Even tanks that weren't penetrated had crews bail out, like Tigers that had all their optics destroyed
Pretty much why Battleships fell out of favor. Anti-ship missile warfare over the horizon that far outranged big battleship cannons, far more accurate, and vastly superior armor penetration, not to mention carriers with entire airwings that carry anti-ship missiles. Heavy and thick belt armor as well as massive cannons became obsolete to lighter faster missile cruisers and carriers.
Heavy tanks died because technology improved and the benefits of it compared to mediums were getting less and less
@@Mcree114you know what’s funny because of that. Modern ships would have a decently hard time sinking like an iowa class battleship. They aren’t designed to penetrate that belt armor anymore
@@roachwerks3043They'll just use anti ship missiles? Or do classic bombings on the ships
Also note too, in real life situations, most single-pen events are enough to make the tank crew bail. They arent going to stay in a tank if the driver and gunner get plastered, and the tranny is metal shavings. So i dont think it would have mattered as much.
The trans is just kaput
Very specific way of giving the transmission a nickname.
@@MaxMTTpm I didn't even know thats what he meant LMAO
Muffin is a true amarican 🦅
Buuuuut he mess up between meters and kilometers, Yes an Abrams can shot up to 3 meters, but what he want to say was 3 kilometers (3000 meters)
dont forget the 2900 kilommeters between abrams and maus (2:50) 😂
@@ThunderWithMuffin the right maus at 0:12 seems more like the mauerbrecher, from wot lmao
And yes mauerbrecher was its name, and it had a prototyp, it was the maus but the tower at the front, not the back
Imperial and metric, the eternal struggle. Join the dark side already😂
@@slavking992 Yep and the funny thing is the imperial system we use in the US isn't even purely imperial it has metric integrated in certain parts.
We don't use imperial. We use US customary, because our take on Imperial actually does differ a little bit from Imperial. And no, sorry. It's a fixture that's here to stay forever, though we might consider it if all the smelly loser countries that use the decimal comma and thousands separator point decide to stop being smelly losers that are utter laughing stocks even amongst metricese speaking nations.
Germany suffers, gaijin pls move maus to 5.7
I've been telling them since maus entered the game but the gaijin snail demands suffering
Any tank with heat (licks jaws): looks like meat is back on the menu boys
Is this a joke or are you serius?
@@Filo181. I think it's a joke
REAL😭😭😭😭😭
I like that you say increase or decrease the amount of Abrahams when there's only one.
One thing that really peeved me was that in the first battle the abrams could have used commander sight to fire and peek over the hill line while remaining covered. Though, he could have been using commander sights and the match replay wasn't displaying it
Also ISS
I would love to see a horde of 2C's take on a Maus or two.
Literally cannot damage a maus
@@scottkesselman5138 sir a .50 cal can kill a maus do not even claim a 2c cant damage it
I remember that the 2c was so op that it could one shot a maus
@@jackschoonover6418 the only way a .50 is able to kill a maus by shooting right down the barrel to damage the breach and possibly kill a crew member. no where else can the .50 pen the maus as the the penetration on the .50 in WT is about 36mm's and the maus has at least 100mm's to 200mm's of armor all around. so please if you don't know what you're talking about shut up
@@scottkesselman5138 the one with the 155m? Overpressure.
9:33 I am sure he angled today. Dollar is very proud.
Thx for making this, I've been curious for a year thinking about this match
Oh an Abrams cant kill a muas in 1 shot? Time to leak secret documents - war thunder forums
Afterlife:
Maus: who are you
T - 72: I was going to ask you the same question
Do you think you could do some more overhead footage for the next one? I like the close up action but some more views of the overall battle would be cool since that's a perspective you don't get to see very often as a player.
Yeah I’ll try to do more in the ones to come after the next vid that comes out since I already recorded the footage and a major game update doesn’t let me go back to record more
2:58 he is using the wrong round use heat fs if you’re in the same situation
Bit of some info the maus we have in game and in real life is a mixture of 2 different models one of a turret where the hull was destroyed and one where the turret was destroyed but the hull survived. Both being completed and fully operational at that.
cool
Would be really funny to see a noob player (maybe even someone who’s never played the game before) in a top tier MBT fight a bunch of experienced players playing reserve tanks
Considering how bt5’s troll at top tier, it would be a massacre 😂
@@catt0215 Some of the AA vehicles are brutal too.
@@news_internationale2035 fr
It’s not funny to see play literally any top tier game right now it’s full of sub level 10 retards who purchased the m1a1 aim and numerous t80s that spawn once and leave when they’re inevitably blown to shit
@@news_internationale2035the crusader AA is crazy
3:47 think you meant kilometers there my friend (3 meters is less than 10ft), other than that great video XD
Yeah an at 2:50 he said 2900kms away. It's all good we all know Yanks have brain aneurysms when talking metric
Haha oops
We cant forget that 1 of the protótipys survived a inside explosion with no Scrach
Like to see versions of m48 and m60s duke it out to see who's better (not sure about the ambt though, seems pretty op)
Yeah it shouldn’t go any higher than like the (AOS)
The M-60 obviously because they have stabilizers… Only the M-48 super and German 105 M-48 (basically a M-60) have stabilizers..
@@BARelement and maybe cm11
Sabot shell eviscerates the entirety of the maus. Somehow still alive with 2 crew members
Abrams gets one shot lmao
After the tiger 2 the guns had a velocity of 2000 m a second , makes one hell of a spalling effect
It’s WW2 technology against 2023 technology
The problem with this sim is that the Abrams was never designed to hold a line. It was designed to punch through them. High speed, rapid firing engagements. It's the modern take on the panzer 3 and panzer 4's. Yes it is designed to take hits from RPG type projectiles but never to get hull down or sidescrape a building.
I feel The M1A2 turret front would be impenetrable by the MAUS gun (especially with lack of apdfs) from a normal distance.
It is also designed for hulldown, why would it not be designed for hulldown? all the crews are on the turret for maximum protection, along with a 9 or 10 degrees of depression, and a very thick amount of turret armor. That said, most tanks are designed like that because they are also designed for hulldown if they have to hold a line. The high speed of abrams also lets it take a position and hold the line, and if needed to retreat or push, it can do what needs to be done. It's not singlehandedly designed to punch through enemy defense line.
The Abrams was designed to do all the roles. So what you said is factually incorrect. If what you said was true it would no longer be an “MBT”. But a “Light Tank/Medium Tank”.
@@syrez156The turret armor is way stronger than the hull anyway. An MBT is designed to do ALL roles somewhat. Not “one thing”.
Excuses
Video idea: The first MBT (Centurion Mk.1) vs the best tank in the world (Leopard 2A6)
That’s a spicy comment because it’s quite debated for both those statements
@@donovanchau3483 that's the fun part
@@donovanchau3483 I mean I guess you could include 11.0-12.0 MBT’s
at 3:45 you said 3 meters away from it
Nice video, I really enjoyed it! Would it be possible to do the same but against IS7 for example?
the biggest problem with these "comparisons" is they get to use video game controls for wwii vehicles that would have been so much less coordinated and responsive. not to mention the situational awareness difference between using sight glass back then compared to cameras and thermals.
3:34 Time to leak some classified Abrams documents
How did he put the armor around the Abram’s .50 cal machine guns
Someone seems to be very confident about their ambrams tank. 😂
A Maus's Side plate is 200mm and when fully angled its equivalent to 500mm or higher
@2:53 Maus closing in at 2900 Kilometres away... You mean 2900 Metres?
How much do you wanna show that you like the Abraham?
He: Yes
You have to take the stats from any game with a grain of salt as there is bound to be some amount of balancing for fair play. In reality, an APFSDS round from any modern MBT would punch through a Maus like a hot knife through butter and easily destroy it in one hit. The first battle would have been over before it even began.
This feels like a documentary series 😂😂
Would it be possible to make a vid witg e100 vs maus ?
1 German modern Gun VS 32 WW2 ones.Nice. 👍
When the Imperial Guard position is assault by Chaos Land Raiders.
abram : "barely scrath"
crew : turn into poridght
Uh did people really think the maus had a chance
0:21 use the upgraded versian hitler wanted that was going to have a longer cannon or at least he wanted it to because i like the mause
Hey muffin, lets see how the leo2 does vs maus
Probably almost the same
The poor mice, they could’ve used to be a beast
Muffin, are you able to do a challenger 2 related video by chance? Or maybe a mirage-2000?
2900 KILOmeters?! Tanks are amazing! 😂😂😂😂
I'd love to see a video of Abrams V M22 or BT5/7 swarm
Abrams have .50 cals! They would all die horribly!
Wow hitting targets at THREE METERS away? lol 3:45
The Abrams can kill tanks further than 4k meters. We just get told not to engage until about 3,500 and in depending on the target also it seems these players have never heard of a berm drill or how to maneuver as a platoon
HE would have been better for the Maus's to use, 128 HE to the shot trap under the turret, guaranteed kill.
If this was going to be accurate for the Abrams, they would have called in air support.
This was an interesting video to see Maus and Abrams fighting.👍
0:52 is it just me or is that maus packing?
I think you should try to recreate more greatest tank battles!
Great video! Really got me wondering now how they would really fair in RL... this reminds me of the battle of 73 eastings. Where M1 battle tanks faced off against a more sizeable force of russian tanks and got stomped because of the technology that the M1 had...
Thank you!
Iraqi tanks, not Russian.
love the abrams man
In the first scenario, the Maus tanks wouldn't have even gotten a shot off before the Abrams destroyed all of them.
That’s because the abrams had a massive skill issue
Someone had an artificial aiming esp hack on. One of those Maus had to of. Those were hardcore corner shots they already kept predicting.
Next video: bt-5 vs abrams. I look forward to the humiliation of the Abrams in the city.
this is how tp tier looks like after war thunder's birthday
i wish you showed mause perspective
Lol at the turret ring weakness of the Abrams being way overexaggerated in WT.
That shows the germans might, if not for their lost battle, i wonder what kind of tabks they would produce
im interested when you test 5X vs 32X is it real PVP?
what technology tree is the abrams?
America
I'm very disappointed that the abrams user never used the commander sight to get a higher camera angle for better targeting of the maus
You should do a video on the three big nation heavies to see which is the best all of which are 7.7 too. The maus, m103, and IS4-m.
Is4 def
the abrams has a massive technical advantage the maus was good for its time it would have crushed any russian tank back then
2:47 29,000 KILOMETRES! DAMN THEY SHOOTING FAR
imagine a Modern day MBT that weighs 188 tons, it would have to be the most valuable asset to defend as a single bomb could kill it, (yes it should have APS for slower projectiles)
My only question is how he managed to find so many Maus players.
Paid actor thats how
The Maus is not that rare is see it almost every round at 7.3
Imagine what a modern day maus would be like
I could imagine... And its a terrifying thing.
Modern Main Battle Tanks weight as much as King Tigers, but move faster than Panzer IVs and Shermans.
Their front armor is stronger than the Maus because of advanced composite armors.
Dumb, just like the original. Not only are planes still very much a thing but guided missiles are a huge factor on the modern battlefield. A gigantic, heavy, crawling vehicle like the Maus would be a perfect target for any long range guided missiles to delete off the face off the Earth.
@@ddandymann Just put a laser system on it that shoots down the big missiles and it will be fine.Something like the one Rheinmetal made for drones.Or you can just mount a 20-30mm hmg on its back and have it fire shrapnel shells at incoming missiles like the next generation AA of Rheinmetal
@@creatorchris712 A laser of that power requires too much energy to ever be mounted on a tank. That’s why the only working ones are either directly plugged into the power grid or on naval ships. The auto cannon would take up too much space to be of use. That’s why no one puts extra auto cannons on tanks after they tested that idea in the 60s and 70s. And that still doesn’t solve the issue of transporting or maintaining the obese thing. Modern tanks are already on the verge of being to heavy.
2C bis horde vs Abrams when? They survive very well at top tier because of just how many crew they have (and they're compartmentalized too like a battleship). The relatively thin armor also spalls less from APFSDS.
why the abrahams glitching all the time while aiming ?
Just wanna know, you’re the same guy as blitz with muffin right?
How much armor do you want?
Yes
Must redo this when we get SEP V3, and better Thermal modeling in game.
"Now when the tanks are closing in at about 2900 kilometers" (same distance as Paris - Moscow) I think they will be going for a while xdd 2:45
americans
You should do the 2C vs Char 2C bis and then a joined battle against other tanks!
My man you got to write a script you got meters and Kilometers mixed up so so many times
2:50 2900kms lol. Yes sir we have an American here.
🤦🏼♂️
Why was the sight on the Abrams soo shaky?
Unfortunately war thunder’s replay system is like that sometimes
The Abrams is good in the right hands
Fire, FIRE H.E.A.T. ?!
From experience is being a tanker I know that Abrams is easily destroy those mouses in under 5min
I played in the event prob the most annoying was driving the maus
Big W muffin
Can we do something similar with American T-34s/M6s and Leopard2s?
Why the war thunder spectator mode so bugged it’s shaking
Why did you want the Abrams win so much?😂😂😂
I think if your tank cant hit anthor tank at 3 meters, you have an issue
you should add that to a tiger it is ike putting a feather weight boxer against a heavy weight in boxing match
comparing an abrams to maus is fun in game but lets be real here man
should of done 4 abrams vs them cause in US Army we have 4 tanks to a platoon also as i dont play warthunder so im not sure how realistic it is but i was a crew memeber in an m1a2sep in early 2000's with the abrams you can fire on the move, it seems like the guys driving the abrams stood still to much you should always be moving in and out of cover every shot
Wow an actual member of a tank crew ! If they moved out of cover they would be dead in seconds because a far bigger portion of the tank would be exposed and with a single lucky shot disabling the tracks everyone would turn and shoot and most probably kill.Hull down theyre unpenetrable from the ww2 gun on the maus and thus safe.Although with enough hits of that calliber the armor of the abrams would turn to dust and eventually get penned but this is a game.On a final note yes they do have a stabilizer in game but they would miss more shots if they moved also as i said earlier expose themselfs a lot more.
So in the last round you said 9 abrams but on the map there's like 13 or so
21 hundred km away then acurate to 3m away haha bro
29 hundred km away? wow 2900km are 1801 miles.
The abrams is now officialy a VERY long range artillery piece
3:46 3 meter range confirmed
I wanna know why the Abrams isn't using smoke screen to its advantage
My goal is to get that sweet Abrams