BATTLESHIP VS BIPLANE SWARM - How Many Does It Take? - WAR THUNDER
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 เม.ย. 2023
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The key to battleship AA is to manually control the secondary guns with timed/VT fuse shells and let the AI handle the actual AA.
Here I was in the 'reccomended for you' section seeing this going up, and I was wondering if the twin 127mm turrets double as AA guns, as they historically should, and if they have the VT fuze. Thanks for the answer =)
@@DJVC1985everything can work as an AA gun :')
@@dosidicusgigas1376 even the main guns should, as Bismarck used them, firind them to create huge splashes to try to down planes(caused damage to at least 1 plane), and Yamato with those Beehive rounds, and Kongo and Haruna had AA rounds for their main guns when they bombarded Henderson field, so i guess there was something they could have used if they needed to.
Unfortunately for the Haruna, only the casemates are considered secondary guns, while the six dual 127mm turrets are grouped with the AAA. She also does not have her beehive rounds :(
If you are ever going into a ship vs aircraft battle as the ship, always pick the most heavily armed US ship you can. The US Navy had an interesting habit of covering every available inch of deck space in AA guns.
What can we say except *40mm Bofors Online*
open deck space? no more space for guns? yes
Drachinifel did a segment on the US Navy's thinking during the war. I think it goes like this.... Is there an open space on the ship? If yes, then why isn't there another gun bolted on. The attack on Pearl Harbor definitely had an effect on naval thinking.
@@avian68tb And now that’s the philosophy of Russian ships.
Prinz Eugen:
This should really have been played in the open ocean instead of the San Francisco Bay to give the BB free room to maneuver instead of being sitting ducks.
The Bismarck looking at this with bad flashbacks all over again
During the Taranto raid the Swordfish flew so low that one returned to base with part of the radio aerial cable from one of the Italian ships wrapped around the undercarriage, Talking about anti-aircraft guns and the Italian navy during an unexpected night engagement between the Italians and British warships in the Mediterranean (which seemed to be the result of both side trying avoid a night engagement) which included ships from the famous Australian 'Scrap Iron Flotilla' one of the Australian ships had replaced their British Pom-Pom guns with salvaged and much more effective Italian anti-aircraft guns. during the night battle which took place at knife fight range for some of the ships. The Australian ship found itself sailing between two larger Italian warships, with nothing left to loose the Australian ship opened fire with everything it had including the AA guns. The Italians used a very distinctive three colour trace set up on their AA guns. The Italian ships seeing this and in the darkness and confusion thought that they had opened up on an Italian warship and ceased firing and mistook each other as British ships firing on a fellow Italian ship and open fire on each other while the Australian ship took the opportunity to get out of there.
It goes to show what a confusing thing night fighting could be without access to modern technology.
The germans had nightvision Devices but late war and only On Tanks and fir Infantry
Actually Royal Navy in WWII were quite good in night battle due to Jutland experience, plus some new technology like radar, and Italian learnt that painful lesson at Matapan.
@@raginio germany only focus on ground if they focus more on the sea i think they could win
@@No-de6wt if they didnt go to war with the ussr
@@No-de6wt germany never could have won no matter what happened germany was fucked
When the IJN Yamato gets added you need to reenact Operation Ten-Go for a historical battle. Can players save the Yamato and
beach their ships on Okinawa, completing their mission, or will history repeat itself with Yamato's death?
Hell yeah brother that’s would be amazing
@@SoldierSteve01 ye it would be vary cool cant wait for Yamato
This would be cool
Are they going to add the Yamato? I thought that they were going to stay away from the super battleships.
@@ShawnF6FHellcat IIRC, they confirmed it in a past interview.
I think the Italian navy got the answer to this question in WWII... Edit: The Bismarck wasn't sunk by a Swordfish, rather one got a lucky hit on it that jammed the ship's rudder, leading to it being sunk by the guns of the British fleet.
Or by scuttling charges of its crew after the guns of the British ships damaged it but failed to properly sink it
@@Gencrossbones yea it was a nazi ship, but goddamn was it a masterpiece of engineering.
@@TriggerVR657 yeah it even took forever for her to actually sink despite getting disabled by the most interwar and modern ships of the royal navy
@@Gencrossbones Unfortunate for the crew of the bismarck, who could not withstand such unrelenting firepower. By the end of it, there wasnt much of the crew left; if the bismarck sank earlier, im sure more crew would have survived instead of being turned into tomato paste
@@TriggerVR657 Its on the top three list of every naval historians list of german engineering disasters
Muffin: "I wonder why there are so many biplanes hitting the ships."
Me: Those are cultured players
Kamikaze
Banzai
6:41 7:13 7:22 7:41 7:48 8:01 Images with HUD OFF are so awesome ! all this planes going down, USS on fire and so on, love it.
Need a movie made just on War Thunder
This looks amazing! It feels so chaotic with 62 planes, I can only imagine how chaotic the battle was with the Yamato, 2 hours and 386 planes to sink it.
Alternate title: cinematic version of birds trying to get a fish
MINEMINEMINEMINEMINE
fun fact about the Haruna, she holds the record for most times a vessel was declared sunk by an enemy nation. she was "confirmed" sunk by the USN and the Royal Navy a grand total of 24 times throughout WW2.
also, for a slight correction. thanks to Britain and the Swordfish Torpedo Bomber there were still Biplanes in use by modern militaries until1947, when they finally decommissioned the last ones aboard HMS Illustrious
good vid btw
Other Alternate title: cinematic version of the flies trying to get my food
😂
The Swordfish didn't sank it, but they had an very big Part in sinking the Bismarck, a lucky Torpedo hit the rudder, disabling it at 6degrees or Something. When the Royal Navy started attacking it, the germans sank it themselves. The Swordfish or the Royal Navy never sank it directly, they Just disabled it
Yep over 300 round fired for over 2 hours at a ship with a glowing red hull due to internal fires and a crew trying to scuttle it
Light aa guns had HE contact rounds but the bi planes armor was so bad it went right through instead of detonating.
Heavy AA guns on bismarck were ment to lead shots automatically which was revolutionary at the time but they were anticipating planes going (at the time) fast speeds instead of slow so they over led their shots.
Seems a tad semantic perhaps? If your opponent scuttles their ship to prevent it's capture have you not effectively sunk it by forcing their hand?
"Its even funnier the second time."
Biplanes look epic vs the battleships AA guns
Great videos as normal!
The Alaska battlecrusier was a formidable ship, especially the AAs
except it wasnt even a battlecrusier
@@anotheralpharius2056 The USN never used the classification of Battlecruiser but most other navies considered it one rather than a heavy cruiser as the USN called it.
@@mattseller148 I doesnt fit the definition of a battle cruiser though
@@anotheralpharius2056 Neither did Scharnhorst and Gneisenau but many still classed them as such.
@@mattseller148usn called it a Large Cruiser
American Shipbuilders in WWII: how many guns do you want on this thing?
American Navy: yes
For fucks sake people...
Here in the US we don't do "Battlecruisers"
Alaska is officially classed as a "Large Cruiser"
Well technically if the as designed Lexington class ever comes it'll be a Battlecruiser but you're correct in that USS Alaska CB-1 is a Large cruiser.
Odd fact but in game also classified as Battlecruisers are the Tsukuba class Armoured Cruiser Ikoma (although during WWI it was uprated to be a Battlecruiser), then the Courageous class Large Light Cruiser HMS Glorious, Project 69 by russian designations was the Heavy Cruiser Kronshtadt and lastly the Scharnhorst class Battleship Scharnhorst.
Then this is the tricky one is the Kongō class Battlecruiser which as a class is referred to as a Battlecruiser but during the 1930's were rebuild into Battleship qualities although many would still call them Battlecruisers compared to later Battleships (kinda like with the Tsukuba class in away heh).
Day 08 : OTOMATIC vs WII planes
as a naval main, this was amazing to watch, thanks!
I would like to see leopard 2s versis however many mouse tanks
Swarms of planes seem to normally be able to take out even large ships. Kinda cool
As soon as I heard the number of bi planes I emetiutly knew that the ship was toast.
3:10 thats me dropping that torpedo
God it’s cool seeing the players dive in from above and from the sides as the aa guns were firing at them
The fact that in round 1 the dude pulls out the most aa heavy battleship in the entire game is absolutely hilarious considering when I do customs with my friends for this specific kind of game mode my Gunners can kill the Jets my friends try to attack me with
The poor battleship in the first round got absolutely punished and murdered for existing in almost 4 minutes
0:35 We already know.
See: The hunt for the Bismarck.
You got to remember a plane is a small and fast target. A battleship is big and slow.
I got a idea. Why not look up the scrap iron floatilla? A handful of obselete dedtroyers owned by the t
Royal Australian navy. Survived swarms of stukas,ju88s and various Italian bombers in the Mediterranean especially during the siege of tobruk. Look it up.
I love the fun facts
The battle with the music makes it seem like a movie before the hero dies 7:07
What a pleasure being able to participate in such events thanks Mr muffin
6:00 battlecruisers (generally speaking) share both size and armament with battleships, but have less armor and more speed.
I sometimes forget that the navy crews are just built different compared to the air crews and tank crews, dudes don’t give a crap about overpressure
Pacific war in a nutshell. Just monoplanes instead of biplanes
Me and my friend used to do this.
2/3 ships vs. A swarm of planes usually only naval aircraft.
I enjoyed this one, although I only got into the night battle. In hindsight I should have submitted my replay for this one, especially since I was apparently 6th place on the biplane team and tied for 2nd in assists... Oh well, lesson learned...
The humble Swordfish didn't just sink "a few ships", they sank a greater tonnage of Axis shipping than any other Allied aircraft during the war.
I love the metal tracks you put at the start of these vids, do you have a playlist for them?
Billy Mitchell would've been proud😂
Wait, some battleships have planes that they can launch, im suprised nobody used that
If I am remembering correctly, even though the USS Alaska was considered a heavy cruiser by the US, it is a battle cruiser. Secondly, it doubles as an AA cruiser
I wonder if Duilio’s AA would be any good in this situation
13:38 it did not sunk it. Günter Lutyens, Captain of the Bismarck wanted to avoid the Torpedos, but gut hit in the rudder wich jammed the ruder in a 12° angle. I think it was 50km before they reached the German airspace where they could have become Support.
a kill is a kill
And great video!
I love these vids
The reason the aa was less effective is actually very realistic. That’s how swordfish had barely any losses when attacking Bismarck in ww2, because the aa range and aim systems were adapted for newer, faster planes, leading to incorrect range gauges
"Quantity has a Quality of its own"
usually credited to Josef Stalin!
You should revisit this when the Bismarck or Tirpits comes out.
I remember hearing that we are still not sure what actually sunk Bismarck.
Didn't the group of Swordfish just cause the rudder to get stuck, causing Bismarck to keep going in circles?
I heard that a Swordfish got the rudder stuck and that the crew scuttled the ship.
Historians believe that Swordfish destroyed the rudder causing it to get stuck in circles. British Battlecruisers and smaller vessels moved in and began picking it apart. The crew then scuttled the ship as they knew it was going to sink anyways.
What?? , the Bismarcks rudder was damaged by the swordfishes after Bismarck sunk the hood, the ship couldve driven all the way to mexico on the damadged rudder course, but they send a Radio message, threw that the british knew the position and send one small Battlecruiser, and the kgv and rodney to sink the Bismarck, they succeded
What?? , the Bismarcks rudder was damaged by the swordfishes after Bismarck sunk the hood, the ship couldve driven all the way to mexico on the damadged rudder course, but they send a Radio message, threw that the british knew the position and send one small Battlecruiser, and the kgv and rodney to sink the Bismarck, they succeded
@@LeroxYT We don’t know what sunk it. We know what attacked it, but we don’t know what destroyed it. I believe the rudder undamaged bit is a myth. New evidence shows that the Bismarck was probably scuttled while under fire from British ships.
This was epic🎉🎉💯💯
Was a lot of fun playing as a battleship lol
Biplanes served until the 30s? The Swordfish has some words for you.
9:07 Night naval battles are very nice.
:O epic
Fun fact: what doomed the Bismarck was... a biplane torpedo.
What sunk a lot of important italian warships were also british biplanes.
A little disappointed it wasn't battleships in the night fight cause it would've been cool seeing 3 or 4 battlesships tracers flying at night but still a cool video regardless
I like how the biplanes were so underestimated.
Average World of Warships experience
Why is it so fun to watch a biplane’s tail come off?
9:54 you wouldn’t even be able to get outside in the first place 💀💀
if u play this video in reverse its a video of some reanimated really kind battle ships using magical bullets to fix biplanes
Actually, the US wanted away from the battleship concept, so Alaska was called a “Supercruiser” when in reality, it was indeed a battlecruiser
This is really cool but (and ima nerd for a sec) I noticed that the IJN battleship didn’t have its repairs or fire extinguishers unlocked (which is basically almost a death sentence) and on top of that (if I’m right I’m pretty sure I’m right regarding the Alaska) the secondary armaments were being controlled by the player instead of letting the ships AI control them and that kinda sucks because most ship’s secondary armaments arm multipurpose meaning they are AA guns and a secondary armament. So…ya…ima go be a pancake now. Still fun to watch.
Mind you that bridge got in the way too, should have been done in open waters
At the end of the day there is no single more effective anti-ship aircraft then the one, the only, fairey swordfish
I was the first to sing the ship I was surprised as well when I did, but I believe I know what happened I caught the ship on fire and maybe they did not put it out and the fire was what killed it
12:50 Here come all the TH-cam history nerds. I don't really see myself as one but I know a little about naval battles in World War 2.
admiral yamamoto foresaw the future of ocean warfare. Gone are the days when dreadnoughts ruled the sea
now that the Texas is in the game I'd like to see how she fares considering her entire deck is anti-air guns.
Just imagine if the Battle of Jutland had hundreds of biplanes fight there too.
Biplanes vs big boy battle ship was my idea and I wasn't here when it happened 😢
Bismarck seeing flashback xD
You should do a ww2 naval fleet against planes
This is why they had so many aa, they were scared of this
Idea....Japanese Battleships and Zero fighters vs. Small Patrol boats and bi-planes....simulating an alternate history Japanese attempt at invading the mainland after pearl harbor attack.
POV fairy swordfish attacking the bismark
Depending on the biplane bummer, they served until the end of the war
Dang, Yamato vibes...
Fun tip: when you get heavily damaged by a ship and you don’t have a chance to land, do not hesitate to kamikaze. There is no hope for survival. If you see that your plane is capable of landing successfully then try your best to survive if not just crash into the enemy battle bridge. (if you guys know a better place to kamikaze into just tell me and is it only the Japanese planes that are effective for kamikaze or all nations are equal with kamikaze power?)
when there's a new movie called two battleships VS 5000000 bplanes
Love how tracers look at night
The first ship pick being Japanese was pretty funny to me cause historically Japanese AA was abysmally bad.
G'day again, Muffin.
Hm 10:00 Well with that kinda attitude you wouldn't go down in history as the valiant crewmember whom picked up a weapon on their doomed warship as seen by Cook Second Class Doris Miller or Ordinary Seaman Edward Sheean with the former manning an Oerlikon at Pearl Harbour aboard the USS West Virginia BB-48 Colorado class Dreadnought Battleship & the Latter also manning an Oerlikon as their Bathurst class AMS HMAS Armidale J240 sank in battle.
Yep I figured seeing a Köln class Frigate such as Lübeck F224 would be getting a crazy amount of kills since the 100 mm cannons get HE-VT shells along with the 40 mm autocannons getting such as well, OOF thry could've been the coolest kill there if they brought along a few depth charges hah hah hah as depth charges can shot down aircraft & heh missiles as well.
Haha yeah I probably wouldn’t be
You should try another naval video because the Texas has actually been added since you put USS Texas in your thumbnails
This video gives a lot of good arguments for both sides of the quantity vs quality arguments. What do you think is better in this argument?
I'm surprised nobody picked up some ships of the SKR family on the last round.
These are absolute anti-air beasts
8:01 Omg, poor guy
The ones that crashed into the battleship are just doing KAMIKAZE
I give it a fifty-fifty. Bismarck was crippled by a biplane, after all.
I was hoping you can try nevada vs japanese torpedo bomber to make her roll over and sink
Before prediction: the biplanes will do nothing
Feel like the ships would have done better if the guns targeted more then one plane more consistently
In the last 3 weeks I have been noticing watches where a player(s) or bot(s) have died off using up all there spawns and left the match halfway through, and been totally replaced by bot(s) that have a full set of respawns. This usually turns the match.
Also alot of 10 vs 12 matches. 1 side has 9 players and a bot, the other side has 10 players and 2 bots. It is only noticeable by comparing the players in the Player Stat's to the Players Battle Feed.
This just isn't balanced matchmaking or balanced sides. This may also be happening in Ground and Air as well.
I like how, when given the choice, they go with the germans instead of the Americans who perfected AA during WWII
Sinking of the Bismarck flashbacks.
Like to see the biplanes touch me when I go full proxy on a Des Moine
Should have a set of planes go against the Baku Aircraft carrier maybe 2, the Baku has 8x CIWS turrets modeled onto the carrier, would be nasty to see how it fared against modern combat jets.
Btw, sorry for being so, but i have to say that the swordfish’s didn’t sink the Bismarck, the damaged it so that it can’t drive away. Later it was destroyed by several ships of the royal navy and finally sank itself.
In reality the battleships would be constantly moving as well as doing zigzags not staying in one place so I think that this video should be redone but with the ships zigzaging and moving but other than that great video
If you guys could do it like you have an american fleet vs planes, or like 4 Alaska's type of thing?