27:25 - "7g for 6 seconds could make a person black out" - After accelerating at 7g for 6 seconds, you are going 920 mph, so I don't think this will be a concern
They don't take full payment. Cybertruck for example was $100 deposit and the roadster was a $5000 deposit. Reality being if you can afford the roadster, 5k is like 20 bucks
The last time Tesla prematurely unveiled something, all their competitors started designing, producing, AND shipping pickup trucks before Tesla could. Watch Dodge come out with a gas thruster Charger before the Roadster 😂
Tesla could still be the first to ship a bev truck that they make a profit on tho. Ford is still losing 40k per truck and gm will never make a profit on the hummer ev. I think the cybertruck is cheaper to produce than those.
@benedictuswinner3995 nothing to worry about, if you look at pictures of deloreans that have been sitting abandoned outside for years, the stainless still looks great. Plus, ive seen plenty of f150s with a lot of rust.
I was talking with a Porsche salesman one time and I asked him who would ever buy an electric Boxter and he answered, “all those people that never got their tesla roadster, they can go buy one”
Better late than never. It's difficult to do things that have never been done and Tesla is in the business of doing this, as is SpaceX and any other Musk company. Your comment regarding underperformance is extremely false, and none of your comments will age well, so I hope you saved them somewhere, and that you admit how wrong you were in the future.
@@somersetwealthstrategies9406 so far it's aged perfectly. Owners are reporting a multitude of problems from software glitches to trouble with suspension components. Virtually nothing from the cyber truck, with the exception of the "high voltage" architecture was new from the beginning. Electric steering, 4 wheel steering, stainless body panels, and a retracting cover have all been on vehicles in the past. There is a reason that so many cancellations for orders have occurred
I had a deposit down on a Foundation Roadster, but a year later when it became obvious that the product would not be delivered any time soon I requested and received a full refund. And it's clear now that if they ever actually ship this car, like the Cybertruck the vehicle delivered will not meet any of the extravagant claims they made pre-release.
There is pretty much 0 chance any insurance company will accept a policy on a car that is designed to lose contact with the road surface - and the impact that has on direction control and braking. But cold thrusters that turn on briefly to shorten braking distances from higher speeds (by thrusting against the direction of travel or vertically downward), increases cornering grip or provide a bit extra acceleration during passing...that will be of great interest.
You just gave me a totally different perspective on the thrusters. If they are omnidirectional and help with stability and performance in breaking and turns, this car could break so many track records!!
It's highly unlikely that there is sufficient volume available in the car to allow for a long duration impulse from a thruster with sufficient force to aid cornering. Last thing you'd want is to lose grip part way through a turn because the thrust only lasts a fraction of a second. Realistically, this would only be beneficial for acceleration runs, the tank would be completely emptied with each launch, and it would take a few minutes between runs to refill the tanks and reheat the thruster system. The thrusters would also be incredibly loud, so you'd definitely want ear protection for anyone nearby. Just think about how loud an air blow gun is (108db), and those only produce about 1 pound of thrust. Sound regulations limit passenger cars to between 85 and 95db.
The Top Thrill Dragster roller coaster at Cedar Point does 0-60 in 1.2 seconds. Lots of people, including myself, have experienced that. I can’t imagine being in a car that could even match that acceleration.
I kind of decided a few years ago that anyone defending Tesla’s ridiculous promises was no longer trustworthy about anything. I say that as a long time Tesla owner.
Your g force calculation ignores the standard 1 foot of rollout distance given to 0-60 times. Its extremely important as you get faster. The model S plaid with a 1.99s time gets up to 6mph in the first 1 foot of travel before the clock starts. Plaid really goes 6-60mph in 1.99s
I'm over Elon's attempt to once again make the ants scurry. It seems like every time he needs a stock bump or he's not the center of attention we get the Coming Soon shtick. Booooring.
@marceldiezasch6192 You just don't get it. Musk is so genious, he not only invented the robot car,.but also the robo human. So you just can't see the robot cars because they drove away to live with their robot passengers
And coincidentally all of the executives who have recently quit cashed out around a quarter billion in stock. The same amount they took in for this roadster. Dudes going to jail for fraud On top of all the other bulshit he lied about
Roller coaster enthusiast here, the fastest accelerating in the world is Do-Dodonpa in Japan, it goes 0-112 mph in 1.56 seconds. Roaster is slow as shit aha. Do-Dodonpa is currently not operating though as people kept sustaining injuries from the acceleration G force (and probably not having their heads back). The fastest accelerating coaster currently operating is possibly Stealth at Thorpe Park which does 0-80mph in 1.9 seconds, so most likely thats 0-60 in under 1.5 too. Also at 26:49 this is incorrect, these G force numbers refer to vertical acceleration, not forwards. The reason you black out is the blood draining from your brain which only happens at these G forces when it's vertical. So this would only happen in a fast car if you were laid on your front.
i was very impressed with Teslas back then but man it's really just been one disappointment after another ever since... a delayed semi, very delayed and more expensive Cybertruck, full self-driving still not anywhere close to being a thing and then whatever happened to the roadster. and that all while the competition didnt sleep if not surpassed tesla...
@@Jengo621what did he say was wrong? The semi sucks and theyve made 86 when they claimed theyd make 50,000 by 2024? The cybertruck having less range, less towing capacity, higher price, and missing features? “Fsd” coming “next year” for the last 9 years? Tesla having first market advantage for EV’s that they blew to BYD and soon KIA and Hyundai because Elon is too busy taking ketamine while in power? deliveries are falling and Q2 2024 is supposed to be even more difficult for tesla than Q1. But yea, the company is doing well when the vice president and chairman quit/sell a bunch of tesla stock, when the stock has fallen over 60% since its peak. Because that’s what the leaders of a company do, sell when the stock is low, unless they know it’s gonna get even lower 😂
At this point, the scale of Elon Musk’s deception is huge and it would be awesome for MKBHD to do a bit of research and point it out. This is going to be at the scale of Enron.
Just so you know fellas YOU DO NOT WANT YOUR CAR TO "CATCH AIR" You're car guys or at least car adjacent so you should know when your tires no longer touch the ground you no longer have control over where that car goes.
@@slopedarmor 32:23 second it is on the slide and Elon says it for the Tesla Semi and Roadster Unveil. So you are just wrong. @nightshadowblade I can't find the exact video. However I followed this shit hard, and he said the Roadster was able to do 200kwhr with current (at the time) battery tech and would not require the new cells.
@@slopedarmor1000km range requires 3x the battery of a tesla car which is on average 75kwh. Doing the math makes it roughly 200kwh which is why elon mentioned it when he unveiled the roadster
Love my Model 3, but everything they have announced and produced since the Y/3 has been a bust. Semi/CT/Roadster - all delayed and haven’t contributed anything substantial to the company.
There's a big difference between using a cold gas thruster (i.e. a canister of compressed gas) to change the orientation of a rocket in free fall or give a light push to a maneuvering unit weightless in space, and then using the same technology to lift an entire car with a heavy battery in it off the ground in full Earth gravity - as in: the latter isn't going to happen. (Also it's an absurdly stupid idea to do it, even if you could)
You can calculate the teoretical limit of a car's acelleration, based on weingt, tyres, power etc. For the Tesla, it's higher than what Elon claimed. Yes, with thrusters, you can do better, but they were not a talking point at the reveal.
It could have come out in 2017, if Elon hadn't opened his mouth and began promising features that didn't exist yet. 200kW battery with 1000 miles of range? Very difficult to do even now, years later. A sensible roadster with a 80 or 100kW battery should be able to go 400-500 miles if they can keep the weight down, and shouldn't take more than 12 months to deliver. Hell, give me a bare platform and I could hand build one in 12 months!
Just wanted to say that the color grading in this video, especially on Miles, is excellent! As a person of color myself, I'm critical on how often color grading doesn't take into account darker skin tones. TH-cam channel editors are especially egregious here. Good job!
That has always been a point of discussion with Marques, pointing out how darker skin tones come out in phone cameras and such, with him being a person of colour its no surprise!
Are you sure it’s not just good lighting and cameras? But then again, this looks like any other TH-cam video to me… so I don’t know what special “color grading” might be doing.
Do you realize that Elon just got you to talk about this rocket vaporware for a half hour to millions of people? This is part of his mastery of performance and persuasion. Not saying it is bad, but just so you know that you totally just gave him free promotion to millions of viewers. (See MadMen's VW Bug scene).
I get where you're coming from, but when even people like them who don't seem to hate Musk are saying to expect it in 2030 and only half joking, I don't know if that's particularly effective marketing for Tesla
I do remember that there was a new report a few years back of an officer in California taking someone's registration because the car has a track mode. Normally it's accepted that such features are legal as long as they're not used on public streets, which this guy did do, but the officer and the department argued just having the feature made the car illegal due to the noise level limitations. I could see similar happening with the Roadster if the law is followed the same way.
The roadsters main issue was the plaid coming out. O-60 in 2 seconds in the sedan set the bar so high they have to absolutely crush it to make the roadster really appeal
It's sad that people associate sport cars only with 0-60 time. You can have way more fun and better experience in slower cars, that handle well, are more agile, lighter and so on. Roadster still would make sense even with similar 0-60 time with model S. Roadster would be proper sport car, model S is just a fast sedan...
@@AngryAppleThe Model S Plaid, despite its enormous weight, can complete pretty much any track just as fast, if not faster, than a brand new Porsche 992 911 Turbo S which many people consider the “funnest, best handling” car on the planet.
@@MrRandomguyTomIt’s not about 0-60, this isn’t 2016 anymore. The Model S Plaid can go 0-200mph (300km/h) in just 14 seconds. In comparison a $400K 2023 Porsche 992 GT3 RS takes 25 seconds to hit 290km/h. The Plaid even has a higher top speed.
Cold air thrusters. The air was supposed to be pressured into a carbon wrapped pressure chamber at about 6000psi (crazy high) and if you want this package you lose the back seats. I can imagine 2 thrusters pointing down to give downforce. 2 pointing back to give back to improve acceleration. 2 up-front for braking. and 2 each side for steering.
I don’t think the car will be able to jump. I think the thrusters are there to keep the car on the road instead, and perhaps help with the acceleration. I just don’t see much point to it otherwise, you’ll lose control of the vehicle and I doubt it’s capable of actually flying with cold gas.
Makes more sense to aim the thrusters up and momentarily increase downforce in turns then to point them down and make it hop. could even thrust only on the inside of the turn to increase the grip on the inside unloaded tyres. But the point is mute, the size/weight of the tanks required to last a lap/multiple laps would be impractical, street use would be moronic. On board compressors would just make this worse.
21:00 - the most powerful roller coaster launch in the world, Do-Dodonpa in Japan, is 0-112 mph in 1.56 seconds. No way the roadster is even going to sniff that acceleration. Still going to be super cool, though.
what lies bro? teslas are best cars out there, fsd is the best supervised autopilot, their batteries are the best (cars, home, AND commercial), etc etc. Stop hatin, start readin
At this point, why should anyone even care about 0-to-60? (Or, as I would prefer, 0-to-100 kph.) It's going to be somewhere near 2.0 seconds-unless, of course, you turn it into a rocket. That's not what distinguishes the Roadster, not much. It's the top end. Obvious question: Where are you going to drive such a car at its top end, somewhere around 400 kph? And BTW what do you do, at that speed, if you blow a tire? Probably should be wearing a protective suit and a helmet, at a minimum.
A cool feature would be to somehow charge the compressed tanks from braking the car. Basically the inertual energy ofthe cars to stop will push air into the tanks abd charge the thrusters. It should be possible in theory. Even to push a slight amount of air inside it due to being high pressure would make that feasible. This would limit the possibility to use the thrusters very often but would not require charging anymore. And would use the kindetic energy lost when stopping the car either way. Instead of charging the batteries.
No need, the compressor will compress the air around the car for a while, to fill the compressed air tank and then that compressed air from the tank will be used.
I thought "Sousian" comes from the renowned composer and music conductor John Philop Sousa. You know, the guy that wrote The Stars and Stripes Forever and many other marches. He was most well known for his marches which primarily accentuate the brass instruments like the trumpets and trombones.
Engineering Explained did a great video on the feasibility of the thrusters a year or two ago. The tanks and compressor required would take up a significant amount of space (the entirety of the rear passenger volume) for what would amount to a gimmick. The thrusters would be exceptionally loud and illegal to use pretty much anywhere outside of select dragstrips. They would also be outright dangerous under braking or while turning, as those are times when consistent acceleration/deceleration is vital to maintaining good vehicle control. Imagine going through a long sweeper at high speed and then instantly washing out and crashing because you no longer have the lateral acceleration from the thrusters helping your tires...
@@antman7673 I think you messed up km/h and m/s there. 100km/h is 27.77 m/s. A car doing 0-100 in 4s is pulling 0.7g's. 2 g's gives you a 0-100 time of 1.4 seconds. Thats not achievable using normal road tires and even many trick tires without any downforce tricks.
@@larryc1616 sorry, but that makes no sense. The only way that gas thrusters will have an effect is when they point in the opposite direction of the direction in which you want to accelerate (they can be angled, but doesn’t make much sense. They are also beneficial when pointing upwards to generate downforce to increase tire grip, but again doesn’t really make sense for acceleration). Acceleration via tires is limited by grip only, not power. But you can add any type of additional acceleration force to the car that does not have to get translated to the ground via the tire. Pointing the thrusters down makes absolutely no sense at all for acceleration. It’s worsening it. Just think in the extreme. When the force of the thrusters is equal to the weight, the resulting weight of the car is 0kg and now trying to accelerate the car with the tires won’t even be possible because the tires are not able to put any force on the road because they will always just start slipping
I have no idea how Elon Musk hasn't been sued yet. Always talks big and makes huge promises but under-delivered multiple times Also I expect a pretty big bump up in the price
Are they maybe using the vacuum technique which is used in the world record car from ETH Zurich? This concept could fit in a street legal car and would be save also I think. Why do you think they would use something like rocket thrusters?
To all those who preordered the roadster: I got some nice beans for you, the grow a stock into the sky over night! Or how about my new „magic musk marvellous medicine“ elixir, made from only the finest rattlesnakes!
Edit: It's titled "2020 spacex tesla roadster 0-60 in 1.1s!" and theres a watermark so it might be an edit. Theres a super grainy short that i come by every once in a while of a roadster with a spacex emblem on the back accelerating and its completely nuts
Transport of compressed gas requires specific licensing. The SpaceX package would require specific licensing to drive on public roads, at the very least.
Pretty sure it's illegal to go over 150kph in every country in the world except for special time in Germany (them crazy Germans) yet a lot of cars are ligal even though they can break the law
Mate Rimac, CEO of Bugatti and Rimac, says that using thrusters to make a car go faster is possible, but it comes with its own downsides. He believes that thrusters are the only way to achieve acceleration from 0 to 60 mph in less than 1 second, but they create weight issues.
It’s obviously easier to land a car than a rocket and the spaceX tech for landing rockets is incredible. When I saw Elon’s tweet that said this is gonna be the coolest tech demo ever, I just imagined them yeeting the car off a roof and it just uses the cold thrusters to re-orient and land itself on the stage. Now that would be cool.
1 month later: If Tesla doesn't think its charging network is important enough to keep building it, then why would it bother with a Billionaires Boys Club boy-toy like the Roadster. The charging network sells a lot more EVs than a halo car like the Roadster, which few can afford even if Tesla puts it into production.
That was a nice, relateable talk! My point of view is, that Tesla under Elon Musk was planning to do the Roadster 2.0, but as they learned more about R&D costs for their core mission cars alone, they found out, that they can not afford it so far. But they used the tech they had demoed and planned to put into the new Roadster into the Tesla plaid instead, as a preview and even more usable and volume selling replacement. As you pointed out - its as useless as most Hypercars in real life and there seems no reasonable way to actually use cold gas thrusters other than the short time downforce enhancing idea. To be honest: I hope the next Tesla Roadster 2.0 Tech demo will be showing an actually electric flying car with cool specs and design.
The issue with a sub 1 Second 0-60 time at a Drag Strip is that Drag Strips have rules. A car with that engineering ability would need a *BUNCH* of safety equipment for a Drag Strip, so... even then, it can't be used?
Agreed, it will probably have 400 miles instead of 621, but they might offer a range extender just like they did for the Cybertruck. With that the CT should be getting well over 400, maybe even 450+, so pretty close to 500.
@@marceldiezasch6192 Not true, fully loaded, at ~82000 lbs, it can do 500 miles at 55 mph with good weather. With bad weather and higher speeds the range will drop of course.
6:46 Those thrusters are NOT CGTs. They burned hydrazine with nitrogen tetroxide. Most RCSs that actually reach space are not cold gas based (performance is kind of crap).
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27:25 - "7g for 6 seconds could make a person black out" - After accelerating at 7g for 6 seconds, you are going 920 mph, so I don't think this will be a concern
"I dont think you have the facilities for that mans"
7g for 1 second is 252kmph or 160 mph, that's lots
Oh I get it, the 600 mile range assumed that you wanted to travel the 600 miles in the next 30 minutes.
How dare you doubt Elon’s genius.
well Elon did say that the car will be way better than advertised
It's ridiculous that they took the full payment and didn't deliver the product in a reasonable time frame.
That's what people love about tesla when they make empty promises.
@onsokumaru4663 I bet when/if the roadster actually hits the market...they gonna ask for additional $50-$100k.
It's just a scheme to get free funding
@@jakesiu7773
You have to consider inflation by then.
They don't take full payment. Cybertruck for example was $100 deposit and the roadster was a $5000 deposit. Reality being if you can afford the roadster, 5k is like 20 bucks
The last time Tesla prematurely unveiled something, all their competitors started designing, producing, AND shipping pickup trucks before Tesla could. Watch Dodge come out with a gas thruster Charger before the Roadster 😂
Completely agree 😂😂
Tesla could still be the first to ship a bev truck that they make a profit on tho. Ford is still losing 40k per truck and gm will never make a profit on the hummer ev. I think the cybertruck is cheaper to produce than those.
No one knows the names of all Tesla's competitors' vehicles, but everyone knows and talks about the Cybertruck.
@@slopedarmor they dont rust 😂
@benedictuswinner3995 nothing to worry about, if you look at pictures of deloreans that have been sitting abandoned outside for years, the stainless still looks great. Plus, ive seen plenty of f150s with a lot of rust.
Next gen Tesla Roadster is turning into Half Life 3
Yes pure vaporware ..
Someday Gabe Newell will collab with Elon Musk and release a SpaceX/Valve/Tesla Roadster with Gravity Gun Technology to make it fly.
Just like the Cybertruck right?
I think they were about to release the Roadster at one point, but then Elon took an arrow to the knee.
@@Fissan_Poulsen you seem to be glazing the cybertruck a lot for such a poor quality car
Fun fact Tesla doesn’t have a functioning refund process for the Roadster.
those were deposits, in general deposits are non refundable unless they say otherwise in the contract
They do, stop lying.
@@linkplays2952I just checked on there website “$5k deposits ( Fully Refundable) “ is what it says check your facts before commenting
I was talking with a Porsche salesman one time and I asked him who would ever buy an electric Boxter and he answered, “all those people that never got their tesla roadster, they can go buy one”
I built an electric Boxter
Imagine this spineless youtuber actually critiqueing a brand. Wow.
In true Tesla fashion it will underdeliver in performance, be way behind schedule, and completely overshoot it's price point
Better late than never. It's difficult to do things that have never been done and Tesla is in the business of doing this, as is SpaceX and any other Musk company. Your comment regarding underperformance is extremely false, and none of your comments will age well, so I hope you saved them somewhere, and that you admit how wrong you were in the future.
@@somersetwealthstrategies9406 so far it's aged perfectly. Owners are reporting a multitude of problems from software glitches to trouble with suspension components. Virtually nothing from the cyber truck, with the exception of the "high voltage" architecture was new from the beginning. Electric steering, 4 wheel steering, stainless body panels, and a retracting cover have all been on vehicles in the past. There is a reason that so many cancellations for orders have occurred
@@somersetwealthstrategies9406 I'll full self drive my way back to the original comment when it starts to age poorly.
all there stuff has been pretty accurate hp/acceleration figures. they have trouble withy range tho
I had a deposit down on a Foundation Roadster, but a year later when it became obvious that the product would not be delivered any time soon I requested and received a full refund. And it's clear now that if they ever actually ship this car, like the Cybertruck the vehicle delivered will not meet any of the extravagant claims they made pre-release.
There is pretty much 0 chance any insurance company will accept a policy on a car that is designed to lose contact with the road surface - and the impact that has on direction control and braking. But cold thrusters that turn on briefly to shorten braking distances from higher speeds (by thrusting against the direction of travel or vertically downward), increases cornering grip or provide a bit extra acceleration during passing...that will be of great interest.
Good thing Tesla has their own ins.
You just gave me a totally different perspective on the thrusters. If they are omnidirectional and help with stability and performance in breaking and turns, this car could break so many track records!!
I have unlimited coverage for any vehicle. So it’s most likely possible. But I totally get what you’re saying.
Tesla has their own insurance company lmao
It's highly unlikely that there is sufficient volume available in the car to allow for a long duration impulse from a thruster with sufficient force to aid cornering. Last thing you'd want is to lose grip part way through a turn because the thrust only lasts a fraction of a second. Realistically, this would only be beneficial for acceleration runs, the tank would be completely emptied with each launch, and it would take a few minutes between runs to refill the tanks and reheat the thruster system. The thrusters would also be incredibly loud, so you'd definitely want ear protection for anyone nearby. Just think about how loud an air blow gun is (108db), and those only produce about 1 pound of thrust. Sound regulations limit passenger cars to between 85 and 95db.
Cold gas thrusters is just a fancy name for CO2 canisters lol. So imagine having to find a place to refill your car with C02.
Don’t worry it will have on board co2 generators and compressors too!
And a valve and nozzle
Those CO2 "canisters" are made out of carbon fiber and stainless steel by SpaceX. They have to contain 10,000 psi of air, way beyond a scuba tank.
Just breathe into the gas tank. If they can get it running on methane, eat some beans.
I don't see anyone going to a track more than 500 times so there is no need to refill
He made a tweet, and got 30 minutes of airtime. He got a screaming deal.
At the expense of the publics view of him and his company, sure
Elon needs to pump tesla stock, he has to sell more shares to cover twitter
The Top Thrill Dragster roller coaster at Cedar Point does 0-60 in 1.2 seconds. Lots of people, including myself, have experienced that. I can’t imagine being in a car that could even match that acceleration.
Don't worry you won't cuz it's never coming out
I kind of decided a few years ago that anyone defending Tesla’s ridiculous promises was no longer trustworthy about anything. I say that as a long time Tesla owner.
Waveform "clips"
Posts a clip of half an hour long
Hahah
I mean, to be pedantic, length is irrelevant, if the original source its cut from is longer, its a clip.
@@magz0808 yeah I guess you're right, but in the context that most people think of when they hear the word clip is a way shorter video in this case
I mean yeah but I’m not complaining! This is great!
I’m just glad it’s not vertical looping trash.
Those thrusters would require tanks so large/pressurized that if ruptured, would explode like a crate of TNT.
And dont forget the car is supposed to have a 620 mile range. Thats a huge battery.
Fire suppression will 100% be in it donr worry. U think they wont think of that
Elon needs to pump tesla stock, he has to sell more shares to cover twitter
Maybe Elon saw that one Tom Scott video of a tiny car doing 0 to 100 km/h in 0.956 second.
*likley
Have you guys heard about Rimac?? Did you know it is a 2 door car that came out of no where??
Your g force calculation ignores the standard 1 foot of rollout distance given to 0-60 times. Its extremely important as you get faster.
The model S plaid with a 1.99s time gets up to 6mph in the first 1 foot of travel before the clock starts.
Plaid really goes 6-60mph in 1.99s
I'm over Elon's attempt to once again make the ants scurry. It seems like every time he needs a stock bump or he's not the center of attention we get the Coming Soon shtick. Booooring.
Full self driving robo taxis have been coming next year for the past 11 years.
During the Semi reveal he said it would obsolete rail from day one. He loves to just lie like thay
@marceldiezasch6192 You just don't get it. Musk is so genious, he not only invented the robot car,.but also the robo human. So you just can't see the robot cars because they drove away to live with their robot passengers
SpaceX is going to fly missions from NYC to Shanghai in 29 minutes, It is happening in 2018! :)
And coincidentally all of the executives who have recently quit cashed out around a quarter billion in stock.
The same amount they took in for this roadster.
Dudes going to jail for fraud
On top of all the other bulshit he lied about
I think this podcast has put more thought into the roadster than Elon or Anyone at Tesla
Roller coaster enthusiast here, the fastest accelerating in the world is Do-Dodonpa in Japan, it goes 0-112 mph in 1.56 seconds. Roaster is slow as shit aha.
Do-Dodonpa is currently not operating though as people kept sustaining injuries from the acceleration G force (and probably not having their heads back). The fastest accelerating coaster currently operating is possibly Stealth at Thorpe Park which does 0-80mph in 1.9 seconds, so most likely thats 0-60 in under 1.5 too.
Also at 26:49 this is incorrect, these G force numbers refer to vertical acceleration, not forwards. The reason you black out is the blood draining from your brain which only happens at these G forces when it's vertical. So this would only happen in a fast car if you were laid on your front.
didn’t expect to see another thoosie here
@@matteoalvarez5532 it's v sad that since writing this they announced that do-dodonpa won't reopen 😭😭😭
@@chrisogrady28 yeah, it sucks
Been on Formula Rossa at Ferrari World in Abu Dhabi. 0-240km/h (150mph) in under 5s, near 5Gs. Pretty fast.
The most common gas used for cold thrusters ic CO2. So finally a Tesla with a larger carbon footprint than an Ice car. Smart!
i was very impressed with Teslas back then but man it's really just been one disappointment after another ever since... a delayed semi, very delayed and more expensive Cybertruck, full self-driving still not anywhere close to being a thing and then whatever happened to the roadster. and that all while the competition didnt sleep if not surpassed tesla...
Low effort bait post
@@Jengo621what did he say was wrong?
The semi sucks and theyve made 86 when they claimed theyd make 50,000 by 2024?
The cybertruck having less range, less towing capacity, higher price, and missing features?
“Fsd” coming “next year” for the last 9 years?
Tesla having first market advantage for EV’s that they blew to BYD and soon KIA and Hyundai because Elon is too busy taking ketamine while in power? deliveries are falling and Q2 2024 is supposed to be even more difficult for tesla than Q1. But yea, the company is doing well when the vice president and chairman quit/sell a bunch of tesla stock, when the stock has fallen over 60% since its peak. Because that’s what the leaders of a company do, sell when the stock is low, unless they know it’s gonna get even lower 😂
This episode begs for an @EngineeringExplained collab
It feels like Tesla lost their ability to move quickly. I think their pivot to making everything about FSD is rearing it's ugly head
At this point, the scale of Elon Musk’s deception is huge and it would be awesome for MKBHD to do a bit of research and point it out. This is going to be at the scale of Enron.
I mean, he dropped the "Model 2".
The roadster could as well be dropped
What was promises is like a child’s bragging , 400 miles range, it can fly with rockets… 🚀 his bullsh*t is getting old
Just so you know fellas
YOU DO NOT WANT YOUR CAR TO "CATCH AIR"
You're car guys or at least car adjacent so you should know when your tires no longer touch the ground you no longer have control over where that car goes.
When they unvailed the roadster they claimed it was 200kwhr with "Today's tech". They claimed they could do everything now.
They never mentioned 200kwh lol.
They claimed 200 kWh but not with the tech of 2017. Imho it will be more like 120-130 kWh when it comes out, with maybe an option for more.
@@slopedarmor At the event in 2017 Elon mentioned 200 kWh.
@@slopedarmor 32:23 second it is on the slide and Elon says it for the Tesla Semi and Roadster Unveil. So you are just wrong.
@nightshadowblade I can't find the exact video. However I followed this shit hard, and he said the Roadster was able to do 200kwhr with current (at the time) battery tech and would not require the new cells.
@@slopedarmor1000km range requires 3x the battery of a tesla car which is on average 75kwh. Doing the math makes it roughly 200kwh which is why elon mentioned it when he unveiled the roadster
Why could they not put a roadster body on top of a Model 3 performance?
It would sell like crazy at a premium price.
These conversations are very enjoyable. I'm not an engineering nerd and I'm on the wrong side of 50, but I enjoy this show immensely.
Tesla isn't Rivian lol.
Rivian reveals and produces quality cars.
Tesla reveals and produces hype
Love my Model 3, but everything they have announced and produced since the Y/3 has been a bust. Semi/CT/Roadster - all delayed and haven’t contributed anything substantial to the company.
@@rcmadiax You forgot the "Robo taxies," all of your Teslas should have been making you over 20K a year since 2020. How much money have you lost?
To be fair
Rivian is literally ferrari
And teslas biggest hype man is one of the few famous CEOs
I'm glad that Marques finally called the Cybertruck absurd.
It’s not his call though. He’s just a knock off streamer influencer.
There's a big difference between using a cold gas thruster (i.e. a canister of compressed gas) to change the orientation of a rocket in free fall or give a light push to a maneuvering unit weightless in space, and then using the same technology to lift an entire car with a heavy battery in it off the ground in full Earth gravity - as in: the latter isn't going to happen. (Also it's an absurdly stupid idea to do it, even if you could)
You can calculate the teoretical limit of a car's acelleration, based on weingt, tyres, power etc. For the Tesla, it's higher than what Elon claimed. Yes, with thrusters, you can do better, but they were not a talking point at the reveal.
It's Elmo. Of course he'll just be talking out of his ass. If he opens his mouth, assume he's lying.
I'm fairly sure he was just planning on light weight re-bodying a model s plaid power train, now he's worked out that won't work.
Pretty sure MKBHD put $250k down for the founders series. 7 year interest-free loan to Tesla.
It could have come out in 2017, if Elon hadn't opened his mouth and began promising features that didn't exist yet. 200kW battery with 1000 miles of range? Very difficult to do even now, years later. A sensible roadster with a 80 or 100kW battery should be able to go 400-500 miles if they can keep the weight down, and shouldn't take more than 12 months to deliver. Hell, give me a bare platform and I could hand build one in 12 months!
Bet they will be ready by the end of the year... Like everything EM does.
Just wanted to say that the color grading in this video, especially on Miles, is excellent! As a person of color myself, I'm critical on how often color grading doesn't take into account darker skin tones. TH-cam channel editors are especially egregious here. Good job!
That has always been a point of discussion with Marques, pointing out how darker skin tones come out in phone cameras and such, with him being a person of colour its no surprise!
... you do realize this is MARQUES' channel right?
@@sneauxday7002 I don’t know who edits these videos and I’m a pretty casual watcher. Just paying my compliments :/
Are you sure it’s not just good lighting and cameras?
But then again, this looks like any other TH-cam video to me… so I don’t know what special “color grading” might be doing.
@@codycastexactly, looks like normal black guys in TH-cam 😒🤦
Do you realize that Elon just got you to talk about this rocket vaporware for a half hour to millions of people? This is part of his mastery of performance and persuasion. Not saying it is bad, but just so you know that you totally just gave him free promotion to millions of viewers. (See MadMen's VW Bug scene).
ok?.. i dont think anybody cares bro
womp womp
@@starmanxviyeah exactly who cares lol
I get where you're coming from, but when even people like them who don't seem to hate Musk are saying to expect it in 2030 and only half joking, I don't know if that's particularly effective marketing for Tesla
@@starmanxviit's hilarious watching all these people getting conned by musk
I do remember that there was a new report a few years back of an officer in California taking someone's registration because the car has a track mode. Normally it's accepted that such features are legal as long as they're not used on public streets, which this guy did do, but the officer and the department argued just having the feature made the car illegal due to the noise level limitations.
I could see similar happening with the Roadster if the law is followed the same way.
The roadsters main issue was the plaid coming out. O-60 in 2 seconds in the sedan set the bar so high they have to absolutely crush it to make the roadster really appeal
It's sad that people associate sport cars only with 0-60 time. You can have way more fun and better experience in slower cars, that handle well, are more agile, lighter and so on.
Roadster still would make sense even with similar 0-60 time with model S.
Roadster would be proper sport car, model S is just a fast sedan...
@@MrRandomguyTom exaclty, but what do you expect from MERICA where they literally only drive in a circle or on a straight line while racing?
Elon needs to pump tesla stock, he has to sell more shares to cover twitter
@@AngryAppleThe Model S Plaid, despite its enormous weight, can complete pretty much any track just as fast, if not faster, than a brand new Porsche 992 911 Turbo S which many people consider the “funnest, best handling” car on the planet.
@@MrRandomguyTomIt’s not about 0-60, this isn’t 2016 anymore. The Model S Plaid can go 0-200mph (300km/h) in just 14 seconds. In comparison a $400K 2023 Porsche 992 GT3 RS takes 25 seconds to hit 290km/h. The Plaid even has a higher top speed.
That 500 times comment had me cracking hahahaha
And so dumb because every new sportscar has that.
At what point does the SEC step in and stop their market manipulation?
Cold air thrusters. The air was supposed to be pressured into a carbon wrapped pressure chamber at about 6000psi (crazy high) and if you want this package you lose the back seats. I can imagine 2 thrusters pointing down to give downforce. 2 pointing back to give back to improve acceleration. 2 up-front for braking. and 2 each side for steering.
Ultimate battle: GTA 6 before Tesla Roadster?????
I don’t think the car will be able to jump. I think the thrusters are there to keep the car on the road instead, and perhaps help with the acceleration.
I just don’t see much point to it otherwise, you’ll lose control of the vehicle and I doubt it’s capable of actually flying with cold gas.
Miles Somerville 🙌 future MKBHD 🤛 natural talent dude keep it going ✌
Makes more sense to aim the thrusters up and momentarily increase downforce in turns then to point them down and make it hop. could even thrust only on the inside of the turn to increase the grip on the inside unloaded tyres. But the point is mute, the size/weight of the tanks required to last a lap/multiple laps would be impractical, street use would be moronic. On board compressors would just make this worse.
This is so incredibly stupid.
21:00 - the most powerful roller coaster launch in the world, Do-Dodonpa in Japan, is 0-112 mph in 1.56 seconds. No way the roadster is even going to sniff that acceleration. Still going to be super cool, though.
There's Speirling car that does 0 to 60 in 1,4 sec
@@aidilmubarock5394not sure what your point is, do-dodonpa still accelerates faster than that
@@aidilmubarock5394 Impressive. But it's still only about half the acceleration.
Roadster with rockets will be like the Cybertruck boat, a fantasy.
Stop giving Elon Musk credit. I'm so tired of his lies.
Who cares about the timelines, you’re not getting one anyway.
What?
@@joegeezly9613
When it never comes out and no one gets what was promised.
-Will you then care about timelines?
@@antman7673 it will come out..
what lies bro? teslas are best cars out there, fsd is the best supervised autopilot, their batteries are the best (cars, home, AND commercial), etc etc. Stop hatin, start readin
At this point, why should anyone even care about 0-to-60? (Or, as I would prefer, 0-to-100 kph.) It's going to be somewhere near 2.0 seconds-unless, of course, you turn it into a rocket. That's not what distinguishes the Roadster, not much. It's the top end. Obvious question: Where are you going to drive such a car at its top end, somewhere around 400 kph? And BTW what do you do, at that speed, if you blow a tire? Probably should be wearing a protective suit and a helmet, at a minimum.
Great podcast. Roadster will be $400k + on launch
A cool feature would be to somehow charge the compressed tanks from braking the car. Basically the inertual energy ofthe cars to stop will push air into the tanks abd charge the thrusters. It should be possible in theory. Even to push a slight amount of air inside it due to being high pressure would make that feasible. This would limit the possibility to use the thrusters very often but would not require charging anymore. And would use the kindetic energy lost when stopping the car either way. Instead of charging the batteries.
No need, the compressor will compress the air around the car for a while, to fill the compressed air tank and then that compressed air from the tank will be used.
@@nightshadowblade😂😂 none of that is ever happening.
@@joshlewis575 Well, we'll see, won't we?
Yes - it will Marques - You need to review 65square!!!
The world's healthiest social media!
Looks sick
It's just verified socials? Looks like a game haha
wow so 65square is just social media on other platforms and it verifies? or?
Yes do a review MKBHD and trash this stupid nonprofit
How many Roadsters does Tesla owe to customers on the referral program? If it’s a few hundred then Tesla might kill it just to save money.
A 200kWh battery is huge and will never fit into this frame. Its like always „coming next year“
I thought "Sousian" comes from the renowned composer and music conductor John Philop Sousa. You know, the guy that wrote The Stars and Stripes Forever and many other marches. He was most well known for his marches which primarily accentuate the brass instruments like the trumpets and trombones.
I can't go 300mph down Fairfax?...challenge accepted.
Technically, the Cold gas thrusters are still moving the car with electricity, since the compressor is powered by the battery power.
imagine still believing anything Elon says. Dudes a grifter. Most profitable job in America.
When you FINALLY get your hands on that Space X Roadster…you know who to call 📞
Elon has been drinking the kool aid for some time now. I own a Tesla and love it, but someone has to pull the reins soon.
Engineering Explained did a great video on the feasibility of the thrusters a year or two ago. The tanks and compressor required would take up a significant amount of space (the entirety of the rear passenger volume) for what would amount to a gimmick. The thrusters would be exceptionally loud and illegal to use pretty much anywhere outside of select dragstrips. They would also be outright dangerous under braking or while turning, as those are times when consistent acceleration/deceleration is vital to maintaining good vehicle control. Imagine going through a long sweeper at high speed and then instantly washing out and crashing because you no longer have the lateral acceleration from the thrusters helping your tires...
And on dragstrips, there are street cars doing 7 second quartermiles for years now.
What limits vehicle acceleration is the tires grip, you can't do 2G+ acceleration without F1 tires AFAIK
Yes you can. 2G is 20m/s^2.
Old cars doing 0-100km/h(≈ 0-60mph) in 4 seconds, do more than 2Gs.
Those cars are not having F1 tires.
@@antman7673 I think you messed up km/h and m/s there. 100km/h is 27.77 m/s. A car doing 0-100 in 4s is pulling 0.7g's. 2 g's gives you a 0-100 time of 1.4 seconds. Thats not achievable using normal road tires and even many trick tires without any downforce tricks.
Rear and side Gas thrusters lifts and levitates so the tires will not be doing all the work
@@larryc1616 sorry, but that makes no sense. The only way that gas thrusters will have an effect is when they point in the opposite direction of the direction in which you want to accelerate (they can be angled, but doesn’t make much sense. They are also beneficial when pointing upwards to generate downforce to increase tire grip, but again doesn’t really make sense for acceleration). Acceleration via tires is limited by grip only, not power. But you can add any type of additional acceleration force to the car that does not have to get translated to the ground via the tire. Pointing the thrusters down makes absolutely no sense at all for acceleration. It’s worsening it. Just think in the extreme. When the force of the thrusters is equal to the weight, the resulting weight of the car is 0kg and now trying to accelerate the car with the tires won’t even be possible because the tires are not able to put any force on the road because they will always just start slipping
@@larryc1616 it is absurdly obvious that you have never studied ANY physics.
Will we get the Tesla Roadster before GTA6?
7:27 when it comes to 0-60 it’s about traction, not really horse power, you could give a car 6000hp, it’s not gonna be under a second
I have no idea how Elon Musk hasn't been sued yet. Always talks big and makes huge promises but under-delivered multiple times
Also I expect a pretty big bump up in the price
Since they announced the Roadster, Lucid designed, produced, and shipped the Air Sapphire which already achieved a 9.8 quarter mile and 1.86 0-60
Are they maybe using the vacuum technique which is used in the world record car from ETH Zurich?
This concept could fit in a street legal car and would be save also I think.
Why do you think they would use something like rocket thrusters?
Because Elon called them rocket thrusters several times.
To all those who preordered the roadster: I got some nice beans for you, the grow a stock into the sky over night! Or how about my new „magic musk marvellous medicine“ elixir, made from only the finest rattlesnakes!
8:45 If you are going to put thruster on the car, you make them push the car *forward*, so you don't even have to worry about traction limits....
Edit: It's titled "2020 spacex tesla roadster 0-60 in 1.1s!" and theres a watermark so it might be an edit.
Theres a super grainy short that i come by every once in a while of a roadster with a spacex emblem on the back accelerating and its completely nuts
I’ve broken a decibel meter before with a sound system lol
Elon full of promises
Is that what we are calling it now? 💩💩
Transport of compressed gas requires specific licensing. The SpaceX package would require specific licensing to drive on public roads, at the very least.
Pretty sure it's illegal to go over 150kph in every country in the world except for special time in Germany (them crazy Germans) yet a lot of cars are ligal even though they can break the law
Guys, I think a half hour video can’t be called clips..😂
It can because it’s part of the video but it’s not the full thing , it’s CLIPPED
Why are you seriously discussing something Elon is promising? For the Roadster, no less?
9:30 Maybe the best thing for a car like the Roadster would be a supercapacitor bank. Huge power, minimal concern for range, less weight.
Same scam as the Pi Phone.
Color matching on fleek
The only thing I'd find interesting in the Roadster would be if they advertise it at
Mate Rimac, CEO of Bugatti and Rimac, says that using thrusters to make a car go faster is possible, but it comes with its own downsides. He believes that thrusters are the only way to achieve acceleration from 0 to 60 mph in less than 1 second, but they create weight issues.
I'm not sure who Miles is but he's awesome! Great addition.
So click baity, everyone (except tesla fan bois) knows the roadster will never ever be produced
It’s obviously easier to land a car than a rocket and the spaceX tech for landing rockets is incredible. When I saw Elon’s tweet that said this is gonna be the coolest tech demo ever, I just imagined them yeeting the car off a roof and it just uses the cold thrusters to re-orient and land itself on the stage. Now that would be cool.
1 month later: If Tesla doesn't think its charging network is important enough to keep building it, then why would it bother with a Billionaires Boys Club boy-toy like the Roadster. The charging network sells a lot more EVs than a halo car like the Roadster, which few can afford even if Tesla puts it into production.
The roadster hype is due for a refresh, maybe make it a 2k mile range.
That was a nice, relateable talk! My point of view is, that Tesla under Elon Musk was planning to do the Roadster 2.0, but as they learned more about R&D costs for their core mission cars alone, they found out, that they can not afford it so far. But they used the tech they had demoed and planned to put into the new Roadster into the Tesla plaid instead, as a preview and even more usable and volume selling replacement. As you pointed out - its as useless as most Hypercars in real life and there seems no reasonable way to actually use cold gas thrusters other than the short time downforce enhancing idea. To be honest: I hope the next Tesla Roadster 2.0 Tech demo will be showing an actually electric flying car with cool specs and design.
Carlton and Will making a reunion episode
The issue with a sub 1 Second 0-60 time at a Drag Strip is that Drag Strips have rules. A car with that engineering ability would need a *BUNCH* of safety equipment for a Drag Strip, so... even then, it can't be used?
Can’t wait to see it in the wild
You'll be waiting a long long time
Along with the nikola truck and the blood sampler from theranos!
Add Ten years to the Elon "release date." If Tesla doesn't go bankrupt.
IT WONT have the 500 Mile RANGE wasn't the CYBERTRUCK MENT to have a 500 MILE RANGE ?
One of the many many Musk lies ...
Agreed, it will probably have 400 miles instead of 621, but they might offer a range extender just like they did for the Cybertruck. With that the CT should be getting well over 400, maybe even 450+, so pretty close to 500.
Apparently the Semi has a 400 mile range fully loaded... with Cheetos.
@@marceldiezasch6192 Not true, fully loaded, at ~82000 lbs, it can do 500 miles at 55 mph with good weather. With bad weather and higher speeds the range will drop of course.
It would be nice to see how tight the turns will be. There is the problem of the air jet denting nearby cars, or flesh. 😬
6:46 Those thrusters are NOT CGTs. They burned hydrazine with nitrogen tetroxide. Most RCSs that actually reach space are not cold gas based (performance is kind of crap).