Alex O'Connor' Best Arguments Against Religion
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- In this compelling video, Alex O'Connor (aka Cosmic Skeptic) delivers his most compelling argument against religion, challenging centuries-old beliefs with clear logic and critical analysis. With his characteristic eloquence, Alex dissects the foundations of religious doctrine, examining their coherence and relevance in the modern world. Through thought-provoking examples and rational discourse, he invites viewers to reconsider their perspectives on faith and reason, sparking a dynamic dialogue on the role of religion in shaping our understanding of morality, society, and existence itself.
Join Alex as he navigates the complexities of religious belief, offering a nuanced exploration of why skepticism and secular thought are crucial in our pursuit of truth. Whether you're a skeptic, a believer, or simply curious about the intersections of philosophy and religion, this video promises to challenge your thinking and inspire deeper reflection on the nature of faith in today's global discourse. Don't miss out on this insightful exploration into Alex O'Connor's most compelling argument against religion yet.
I'm so happy to see Alex's content get more views and seeing him become more popular makes me so happy. We need more reasonable voices like his in this world.
Smart young man. I've followed him for years.
Foolish n' lost
@@elsantoschalbi4459 You are?
@@HughJaxident67 no comic
@@elsantoschalbi4459 No post from you that has any merit, but you still insist on posting.
@@HughJaxident67 do you even know what a post is? lmao
Bros so popular that he's getting compilations of him 👏
For me, the add before this video was “hey I know you’re busy but if you could take a second to pray with me” 😂😂😂
I come across this add all the time. It's exhausting but also kinda funny, like chill out I just want to watch some videos about this topic.
The sin-sacrifice-resurrection story implies a superstitious God who values blood-sacrifice. Obviously the superstitious early folks, who valued blood sacrifice, created the God of the Bible in their own superstitious image.
Alternatively, God met the folks where they were and offered a better, perfect sacrifice that made all the other other ones redundant.
@@ChrisSmith-xh9wb
The Bible is the goat herder's guide to the galaxy.
@@AtamMardes hahaha, well said!
Circular reasoning fallacy
The sacrifice was voluntary, and was NOT accomplished on the cross. It was accomplished the night before in the Garden of Gethsemane where Jesus bled from ever pore upon suffering the vicarious pain of sin for all mankind. The cross was just window dressing for the Roman soldiers who accomplished the crucifixion.
A well constructed and informative dialogue.I’m at a loss to understand how anyone who listens, without bias, could possibly believe that the Bible is an accurate account of a historical event
Oh plz this video is years old… Alex doesn’t make these arguments anymore becuase they’re just questions that are easily explainable with a proper theological understanding. He’s refined his arguments over the years after sitting down with Christians
@@Monkeydfitzy How do you 'refine' direct contradictions? And some of the footage/dialogue in this video is recent
@@Monkeydfitzythis video is 2 weeks old man
@@SSJGaelY0right but the sources the video uses are much older than two weeks. Particularly the slew of questions from Alex right at the beginning.
@@hackerj23 asking as an amateur to theology as a whole, what would you respond to these questions with? i fail to produce an adequate answer that isnt just “god knows”.
Yeah but look at the trees..! Or whatever strange ramblings definitely proves only my specific deity.
Yes, example: my Mother Nature Goddess and my Father Cosmos God. 😊
@@Forest-jj7pj What a great family. Have a nice day, btw.
@@Forest-jj7pjCosmos is just an alternative name for universe we still need proof of these gods The idea that nature operates like a code, often referred to as the "universe as a simulation" or the "universe as a computational process," is a speculative hypothesis rather than a scientifically proven fact. Here are some perspectives on this concept:
1. **Digital Physics**:
- **Concept**: Digital physics proposes that the universe can be described by information and computational processes. This suggests that the fabric of reality is digital, akin to computer code.
- **Proponents**: Scientists like physicist John Wheeler have suggested ideas like "It from bit," implying that information is fundamental to the physics of the universe.
2. **Simulation Hypothesis**:
- **Concept**: Proposed by philosopher Nick Bostrom, this hypothesis suggests that advanced civilizations might create highly sophisticated simulations of reality, and our universe could be one such simulation.
- **Speculation**: While intriguing, this remains a philosophical and speculative idea with no empirical evidence to support it.
3. **Mathematical Universe Hypothesis**:
- **Concept**: Physicist Max Tegmark has proposed that the universe is not just described by mathematics, but that it is mathematics. This means that the universe is a mathematical structure.
- **Implications**: If true, this might imply that the universe operates according to fundamental mathematical rules, akin to a code.
4. **Quantum Mechanics and Information Theory**:
- **Quantum Information**: In quantum mechanics, information plays a crucial role. Quantum bits (qubits) and the principles of quantum computing suggest that information is a fundamental aspect of physical reality.
- **Holographic Principle**: This principle suggests that all the information contained in a volume of space can be represented as encoded data on a boundary to the region, similar to a holographic projection.
5. **Current Scientific Consensus**:
- **Lack of Proof**: While these ideas are intellectually stimulating and provide interesting frameworks for thinking about the universe, they are not scientifically proven. There is no empirical evidence that definitively shows nature is a code or that we live in a simulation.
- **Active Research**: Theoretical physicists and cosmologists continue to explore these ideas, but they remain hypotheses and thought experiments rather than established scientific facts.
In summary, while the idea that nature operates like a code is an intriguing hypothesis explored in various scientific and philosophical contexts, it is not scientifically proven. It remains an area of speculative inquiry and theoretical research.
It's just a bunch of fables borrowed from many cultures that existed centuries before Christianity. It's a bronze-age view of life. This is the 21st century not the first century.
This. Back when no one knew what an eclipse was or why droughts happened ppl made up that it must be an almighty being not just the earth doing earth things. Theists don’t want to hear that what they believe is nothing special, it’s been recycled time after time virgin birth, divine being, resurrection it’s like the bingo card of religion.
I’ve always felt the true all powerful being is the universe itself, not some imaginary friend.
Worse the Brits mistranslated the Latin with the KJV and ruined everything when you understand Hebrew in context.
@@thinkIndependent2024 copies of copies of copies over centuries and many translations make room for many errors and mistranslations.
new testament was written in Greek.
No game of 'hide n seek' as ever lasted this long.
Yep. These gods are pretty good at hiding. Makes you wonder if they even want to be worshipped at all.... Hm....
God is not a show-off, but He did reveal himself to Israel.
@@claesvanoldenphatt9972 Wanting something to be true doesn't make it true. Empty your mind of such superstitious nonsense. Of course there is no god. Please educate yourself.
@@mryorkshire3623 suggest you take your own advice and get some knowledge.
@@claesvanoldenphatt9972 Put the bible down. It wasn't written by any god. Go to a library and learn physics and biology and it will open your eyes.
God's intellect is always equal to that of the believer. So you can say god is not very smart.
Why is that the case?
@@Cubevision1 Whoosh!
@@davidbelway6076oh I see. Lol.
@@Cubevision1 - The only thing such people prove is that they're less wise and intelligent than God.
😂😂😂😂
Alex, of course you’re perfectly spot on, the problem is, religion grips America like an octopus’ tentacles.
Religion serves people, and teaches mutual love, which is NOT something atheism can accomplish.
Atheism in entirely self-serving just to fulfill a narcissistic hedonism. It makes atheists positively giddy to declare that God does NOT exist.
@@scotthullinger4684it makes theists positively giddy to declare (to anyone who doesn’t subscribe to the same fairy tale as you) “You are going to hell”
@@itsaboutthattime4425 - Hell is not a place, but a state of being, a condition wherein "weeping and waling and gnashing of teeth" occurs as an result of being defiant and disobedient, and rejecting something better - meaning the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
- Hell is not a place, but a state of being, a condition wherein "weeping and waling and gnashing of teeth" occurs as an result of being defiant and disobedient, and rejecting something better - meaning the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
@@itsaboutthattime4425 - Be damn sure to document that for me the next time you hear a sermon on Hell. Where might I see this? Fools pay heed far more to the negative than to the positive with regard to existence, to God, and to everything else under the panoply.
An invisible man in the sky who grants wishes. Yeah. That checks out.
Nicely done. 😊
Thanks! 😊
For me the very first question is a big one and a very very good question. Why would god make such a massive universe to only care about a microscopic piece of it. It was funny to hear this as the first question because I was just thinking about that very question not long ago. I was also wondering if anybody else has pondered this question. Well, this video just answered that. Good to see I'm not the only one asking Why is it?
“The stage is too big for the actors” (Feynman)
So to reflect and glorify the greatness of God
THe question was pondered millennia ago. It is in the Bible (psalm 8).
@@ChrisSmith-xh9wb
Ah yes the bible also known as the goat herder's guide to the universe. I am sorry but you seriously have me mistaken for someone who cares what your holy book has to says. They should of kept pondering because they got a lot, and I mean a lot just flat out wrong.
@@ChrisSmith-xh9wb It's a book that describes a flat Earth with a solid dome covering it.
Yes, the Bible does indeed describe a flat Earth with a solid dome covering it. This was the standard cosmology of the ancient Near East.
Look up the below from a Biblical scholar:
*"Genesis 1:9-10 - God Creates Dry Land not the Planet Earth!"* - Dr Steven DiMattei
Also, watch Professor Christine Hayes who lectures on the Hebrew Bible. Watch lecture 3 from 34:10 to 35:17 minutes.
Thank you for this video. I really enjoyed it.
My grandma's response to every one of those questions: God knows why. Leave that to him.
The brainwashing is strong with your grandma.
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@@johnsmith-tq5zn Notice how they try to make an universal claim as an atheist, as a finite being. In other words they act as if they are the all knowing God. In order to judge why God does or don't do something would require someone to be all knowing so your grandma is not brainwashed.
They are arguing how they think things OUGHT to be and since they are not then God doesn't exist.
If the god believers have no answer, never expect an honest "i dont know" answer.
Most god believers will just use braindead apologetics or cop out answers.
@@smidlee7747Notice how you’re scared to question your god… coward.
Christopher Hitchens and Alex would have gotten along famously!
What was the Abrahamic parental deity's spiritual plan for the dinosaurs? Why did he create them? What precisely was his spiritual intention for their creation? And then why did he destroy them after he created them. Did he get angry at them? Is that why he destroyed them after creating them. Or did he perhaps make a mistake? Did he simply change his mind?💙
A dinosaur named Eve tempted her mate called Adam with some fruit from a tree. That's why "the Lord" got very angry and decided to send a meteorite to destroy the whole flock.
He did spare some small mammals which after a long long time produced primates...
The rest is History 😂
Great stuff mate 👍
Thanks 👍
Noone ever lost a person they deeply loved, and said and unequivocally believed yay they are in heaven and we will be reunited.
Humans are not that naive at their core.
Denial, escapism, and their numerous negative attendant methods of coping become a crutch to avoid the deep down truth.
Nobody can argue that god did not speak to me, If he hadn't I would not have found my car keys, and my favorite football team would have lost big time If not for his intervention.
😅😊😅😅
I dropped my keys into a volcano, and your team beat my team in that big game. ☹ You think god is trying to tell me something? 🤔
Are you serious??😂
@@fernangalindez5188 I would say redloh is not serious. That said, here in the USA the #1 most frequent prayer request would be for lost keys. And here in the state of Georgia (for example) football related prayers are probably in the top 5. And good luck finding a Baptist preacher that doesn't work football into their sermons! 🤣
He makes a lot of sense. 🇦🇺 😊
IT'S ONLY A MYTH !
It’s incredible we are still debating this. The stupidity needed to believe in god is stopping us all from evolving.
intention and function exist. Our body has full of intention and function and these things can only be created through a intelligent being. Christians provide a lot towards science like 54% compare to other religions . Thats not how evolving works at all you cant evolve without faith.
Hey you believe what you believe but pls don't be an even more idiot by calling the need to believe in God stupid so pls respect
@@CasualStreamerSerpentno, it doesn’t need a designer, and also just because some scientists are Christian, the progress that they make isn’t because they are Christian, it’s because they are great scientists
@@meraldlag4336 really explain to me how it does not need a designer. Even tho 24/7 creation, intention and function need a designer and it can be proven in our day to day life. Its YOUR burden of proof on WHY IT DOES NOT NEED A DESIGNER.
Prove to me that intention, function and creation can be created without a designer.
@@meraldlag4336 Christianity is what nurture the world Th reason why they make progress its because of their life value and wisdom.
my favorite future Christian :)
Facts 😂
He's more likely to convert to Gnosticism if anything
@@weedlolone could say that Saul, before becoming Paul, would have been a perfect Gnostic (had Saul been in the 21st century). Yet, somehow, he chose the most illogical path possible when he could have been a famous Jewish scholar or even leader, and followed the most hated new religion by his countryfolk. But he became a Christian believer. Weird
not for a lack of trying is he not a present Christian, i do appreciate the optimism that he will one day suddenly be struck by a divine visitation, since God is being so quiet
Gowwww on then...yer back. Been some while. Hope you've more on the way.
Why dump all living things in this thunderdome-esque game of Survivor to watch us cannibalize each other for survival? This shit sucks.
I'm amazed at how experts keep portraying the gospel of Luke as if it were Matthew's... One wonders what other mistakes might here be presented... Guys, "The Maggi - the Killing of the Babies - the Flying to Egypt" is the tale of the Gospel of Matthew... On the contrary, the Gospel of Luke says that baby Jesus was taken to the Temple and back to Nazareth in PEACE... NO EGYPT HERE...
Love it!
Having a debate or argument about God is a total waste of time. A believer will not change their mind on any form of logic. You might as well attempt to explain classical music to your dog.
Atheist are deceived and think they are on some higher ground. Atheism can't even explain logic. Mathematics works so well in the universe yet if you use that same math it will go against the belief of the universe actually existing. It's refer to as the Boltzmann's Brain Paradox.
I have no reason to believe reason came from that which has no reason.
@@smidlee7747 If reason comes from that which does have reason, it cannot come from the god of the bible because the said god is the most unreasonable character of all …
@@DeliaFasta96 Are you trying to make an universal claim about God as an atheist?
I'm an atheist skeptic, very skeptical of atheist's skeptism who thinks they can make universal claims about God pretending they are all knowing.
@@smidlee7747 Please read my comment again … slowly. You completely failed to go into it.
@@DeliaFasta96 You need to justify your claim reason can't come from God of the Bible.
You dogmatically claiming God of the Bible is the most unreasonable being without any justification of that claim.God by definition is the ultimate source of all reason. Basically you are playing God.
You are pretending you are the ultimate source of all reason and the ultimate judge as a finite being.
Read slowly and think about what you are claiming as a finite being.
Wasn't Paul secretly working for the Flavian Dynasty? Weren't all of the original Roman Catholic Saints' members of the Flavian Dynasty? Weren't all of the original symbols used by the earliest Christians identical to those of the Flavian Dynasty? And wasn't the earliest iconographic image of Jesus The Christ, in a catacomb, under the city of Rome, which was owned by a Flavian Princess? Weren't all of the original Jesus cult texts produced under the oversight of the Flavian Dynasty? Didn't the Flavian Dynasty posses the only remaining copy of the Hebrew Tanakh other than the Greek Septuagint translation? Isn't there Flavian typology in the Gospels? Weren't the canonical texts all back dated like the historical fiction of Gone With The Wind? Wasn't Emperor Vespasian known as the Jewish Messiah? Weren't the Flavian's descended from King Herod? There was no separation of Church and State in the Roman Empire. And Christianity is clearly a Greco-Roman hybrid form of Judaism created by the Flavian Dynasty as an attempt to adapt, pacify, and integrate the rebellious and defiant Jews into the rest of the Greco-Roman Empire. Then finally Neo-Flavian Constantine chose the Flavian family religion to be the official religion of the entire Roman Empire. In order to consolidate power in his fractured Empire. And then Eusebius edited and rewrote the history of the previous 3OO years. It isn't history it is all simply Greco-Roman mythopoetic literature. Today it is known as Historical Fiction.💙
And the any apologist responding will be, in effect, saying, Nah, my bible telsl me differently, gives me all the answers I need or similar.
I'm trying to listen to this at night, and the camera shutter sound is driving me fucking insane.
Other than that great vid
While I had to go back to hear what you were talking about. I guess I was too focused on his words.
If we were "created" in his image...why are we born flawed and into sin?
Humans were without flaw when they were Adam and Eve. After they ate, they became flawed and their offspring after.
@@AdrianDanielGuardwhy did they eat the apple if they were “without flaw”?
@@damienschwass9354 because they had free will
@@AdrianDanielGuardhow can they use free will to disobey and make a poor, wrong, immoral decision if they are “without flaw”, like you claimed? And weren’t they tempted and deceived by a serpent? More flaws, no?
@@damienschwass9354 Again, free will can be used in whichever direction the user decides/is deceived into deciding. Yes, even being capable of evil. The only living being incapable of committing evil is God the Father (and his Spirit, and after the Ressurrection-> Jesus). Because the Father is the Creator. Adam/Eve are images, Jesus' before-Resurrection body (also in the image of the Father) were capable of sinning. Jesus lived a sinless life by choice while Adam/Eve succumbed to sin by their own will. I only brought Jesus up for a comparison, because he also had a physical body and mind, like Adam/Eve. A creature created in the image of its creator is just as flawless as a picture is an "image" of the landscape it portrays. Maybe the metaphor is a bit stretched but i wanted to portray how I view this issue. Anyway, to continue, it would not surprise me that a creature, even if flawless initially, to become flawed. Same goes for Lucifer, who according to the Scriptures, overstepped his boundaries of authority, despite being also, I would say, flawless.
Final note: Yes, I am aware of what the Father commanded in the Old Testament for the Israelites to do (wage battles, mass murder, take slaves etc). But I have my own perspective based on the texts, as to why these instructions do not make the Father evil.
The important question is why God will die for sinners?
psychological guilt tripping…. If someone does something for you, you owe them a favor.
The gov creates physical laws to keep you in check, while religion creates psychological ones.
Well, god screwed up and then had to send himself as his son self to save us from himself……..
@@Ex_christian😂😂😂
The flight to Egypt was only in Matthew, not Luke, he’s got those gospels flipped flopped
So, you've done all of this inquiry yet you never mention looking into non-western understandings about the nature of G-d. Have you ever studied Nagarjuna or other great Buddhist thinkers/writers? I think that you will find that they provide a very wonderful way to re-interpret the western traditions as being fundamentally parallel albeit less precise (and therefore perhaps more broadly accessible).
This is from back in the early days. Look at who he's interviewing now...
Some of it is and some is newer. His questions from the debate with Dinesh D'sousa is very recent.
They are still good questions.
Sounds like a lot of wasted time in a search that never made sense (per his questions). The hidden god question is the most powerful to me. Why not just show everyone, or more simply, just make every believe and know? Then we’d all know exactly what is expected of us-we’d all have the one true religion. So very easy for any god.
Come on god, a lot of questions to answer here.
history has been a hotbed of gods..even today there are many gods,(esp Hindu gods) spirits and small obese men who are revered by millions. methinks they are manufactured to fulfil a human desire for safety,health, wealth and longevity...amen
Especially the wealth and you forgot to mention political influence and control
I would love to see a discussion/debate between Alex who is inquisitive and open-minded and a former atheist now devoted Christian who knows about and can explain the ins and outs of the Bible.
"Former atheists" tend to be very confused. Have anyone in mind?
“ Explain the ins and outs of the bible” “god” clearly never thought th8nfs through properly did “he”?
Dawkins and Ahli ( former atheist) had an encounter. Her reasoning was personal experience related to depression lee her to Jesus.
There is no rational reason to religion. It is all emotional
You know what Christians say about converted ex-christians? "S/he wasn't a real Christian"
Well, what exactly is a "real Christian" ? even Christians can't agree on that hence the thousands denominations with different practices, the atheistic position is very easy to understand and clear to follow, so I don't see how anyone who exercise critical thinking could stray from atheism in favor of Christianity from all things, in other words, they weren't a real atheist so I doubt such discussion would be worth your time.
i like Alex and support his channel but he hasn’t quite come up with his “own” arguments at least in this video. he sounds like a young sam harris or hitch. no disrespect though. i think all these points are worth repeating to new audiences. i just wouldn’t title it “alex’s arguments against religion”
How did humans get a brain so advanced that that we can do particle physics? Someone from 20 - 50 thousand years ago could learn quantum mechanics?
He did all that stuff so you wouldn't believe.
FYI Michael Murray is an author that picture is of Chad Michael Murray from One Tree Hill.
For his comment on Matthew 2:23, where it says that it was prophecied that Jesus would be a Nazarene, it may just be the translation he was reading.
In ancient times, names had meanings, and many times the meaning was derived from the base words those names were built upon. Nazarene in Hebrew was Notsri', probably from ne'tser, which means sprout.
Matthew was in all likelihood meaning scruptures such as Isa 11:1; Isa 53:2; Jer 23:5; Zec 3:8 when speaking of the fulfillment.
So, it is the english literalism of the treanslarion that is messing things up. Matthew didn't need to say that Jesus was literally predicted to live in the town of Nazareth, but that he would be associated witb the prophecied term sprout.
No need for religion in order to survive needed contact to The Almighty
GREAT point about just starting humanity with Noah & his family since they were all that survived the Flood anyway. But I guess that falls under the "God's ways are not our ways/God works in mysterious ways" category of Biblical ridiculousness.
Omniscience is the greatest power of God -
It is in fact via omniscience that God possess his power, and can do all things.
Those who deny this only turn it into a circular argument.
God knows the Beginning from the End, simply because ...
because God IS the Beginning and the End -
The Alpha and the Omega, from A to Z.
And it surely serves us RIGHT to educate ourselves regarding God's omniscience.
First of all, how do you know this? How could you possibly know this? And what does it mean? What does it mean to know everything? So God can't gain knowledge? There is no mystery, nothing to figure out? No surprises? How can you even have a relationship with someone if you know everything they are thinking? What's the point?
I don't think this claim can be confirmed or "denied". Does God know how much people are suffering until they sometimes give up hope and "leave'? Why not intervene?
If God's knows everything and can do everything, isn't he letting millions of people down every day who are hungry, being abused, being tortured, being degraded, have severe mental and physical problems. Isn't this one reason people can't believe? If you were a parent and you knew your child was about to be seriously harmed and you had the power to stop it, would you? Even if you had a heaven awaiting, you would allow a child to be sexually assaulted? Beaten to death? Put into sex trafficking?
This is too much for many people to accept logically and emotionally.
@@joecheffo5942 - Quite right. There's NOTHING which surprises God.
Our job is to achieve things for ourselves with God's help. It's not God's job to supply everything we need with NO effort from ourselves. God's foreknowledge is immaterial. On the other hand, our own ignorance is very MUCH material. God intervenes by teaching us how to behave and teaching us what needs to be done. We serve one another, to start with.
We learn to be like God by behaving like God and following his example -
Seems like a good chunk of these arguments could be waved away if the religious follower views the Bible’s contents as mostly metaphorical but still divine pieces of work
What about the first one
-I get you said a good chunk, but even then I think a useless bible is an argument of it’s own
@@meraldlag4336 I don't claim to the know the mind of God I enjoy these convos so the question was "Why would God make the vast majority of the universe uninhabitable?" Nothing about this question refutes the existence of a God and it makes argument this question is posing weaker as there is a logically conceivable answer. The potential answer which is to highlight the vibrant beauty of life in an otherwise lifeless void.
There are strong arguments against the existence of God, these questions aren't really it.
@@Ripred0219 yes, of course there’s no direct link to an evidence of absence, but it seems illogical for a god to create a universe that is suspiciously almost identical to what we’d expect from a universe without a god. If this god wants us to worship it, this is not what it should do
@@meraldlag4336 Yeah I don't like these questions because the answers can be subjectively argued for either side. By that I mean one side can always create a conceivable answer in rebuttal to the other sides conceivable answer. We know so little about the universe I mean just look at the 2022 nobel prize in physics. Therefore I think it is presumptuous to say that the universe is how we'd expect it to exist without a creator. At the end of the day both sides can only really say "i don't know" although spiritual experiences are an interesting avenue for solidifying the idea what is true to an individual but that knowledge isn't really transferable.
@@Ripred0219 Probably not the strongest argument. But it seems odd that a God would have so many of these questions fall in the middle. Apparently cosmologists somehow have reason to believe most other stars have planets, Views differ, but with that many planets, it seems likely life could arise if abiogensis can happen. But we have seen the precurses to abiogensis, the proteins forming all by themselves, but not full abiogensis of course.. So if there is no abiogensis, why make it look like a possibility? Why have evidence for evolution, but yet enough gaps to make some people not accept it?
Why give evidence on both sides? Only humans have souls, we are so many special qualities. Then we find primates can learn sign language, chimps orchestrate wars, orangatangs definitely seems like they are laughing when amused, elephants mourn their dead. Dogs seem so beatiful and emotional and understanding. They even have ethics. Are we so different? What about Neanderthals and the other extinct humans? Are they just as special, almost as special?
So much confusion on so many issues for so many centuries. A world of confusion.
Blood sacrifice not specific to that period… meaning to bless…
The gladiators, the mayans, the wars that followed & then question why the human population is as it is… weird mindset… torture for forgiveness of sins, blessed, not by the looks of it
Why would you have English captions for someone speaking English, if you're not even going to bother to make sure they are correct?
I believe they're auto generated.
@@Burntayo they're not TH-cam's.
Bc not all people understand british accents 🤡
@@Shayistic lol, which makes it even worse if the captions are wrong.
I think even Alex would have to agree that most of these questions are weak and surface level and are all answered by actually reading the Bible
This video should just be titled "Alex O Connor vs. Christianity" cause then it would be more understandable why there is such a massive ego-stroke in the comments section lol
Are these really the best arguments that can be mustered against religion? I switched off after the first point which was based on an unjustifiably anthropocentric assumption about God's "prime focus". Why would God bother about making the universe habitable? If you stand back and consider what an awesome piece of creation the vast universe is, what does something as insignificant as human life matter? Having said that, our existence is such an unlikely and miraculous even that we should forever be in awe of the fact that we can stand on this minute speck of dust with awe and wonder. We might even look deeper and consider the proposition that all we experience is as fleeting as a lily blossom and dependent on a deeper reality that transcends time and space. Questions such as these are at the heart of religion and the pursuit of them far more fruitful than fretting over discrepancies in an ancient written text.
sounds like you got scared and ran
First off, keep in mind that this is a compilation someone random has made of some of Alex's arguments. I'd bet Alex O'Connor's own list of his best arguments would be different.
Second Can you specify what religion you are a part of? Cuz your statement about the insignificance of human life directly opposes one of the core Christian messages. To God, the relationship he desires with humans is so significant that he supposedly sent his only Son to die to rectify this relationship. With such emphasis on the value of human life, it is worth asking what purpose the rest of the universe serves when humans make up such a miniscule part of it. When it comes to the earth specifically, the fact (and as far as our technology allows, we know this to be factual) that animals have lived for millions of years under evolutionary predation, directly goes against the mainstream belief stemming from Genesis of death entering the world through the fall (caused by humans). This is no small thing to point out as it undermines the basis of the JudeoChristian religions.
Third. Just as a side now: I reject atheism. I think there is more evidence pointing to an intelligent designer(s) than evidence against none. I also reject the Abrahamic faiths in the same light because I find far more evidence pointing against their claims to divine truth. I say this because in your comment, you refer to God in a nebulous fashion. What are you referring to by "God"? This video is evidently focused more on criticizing the Christian definition of "God".
“… what an awesome piece of creation the vast universe is”: in order to classify something as awesome, you would have to have some standard of comparison. In the absence of such standard, the universe just is the way it is.
@@weidchar1646 The title of the video implied a wider view of religion than Christianity, but I concede that most of the video is mainly focussed on the Christian BIble.
The Bible writers were not unaware of the apparent conflict between our cosmic insignificance and God's intervention in our destiny. See for example psalm 8:
"When I consider your heavens,
the work of your fingers,
the moon and the stars,
which you have set in place,
what is mankind that you are mindful of them,
human beings that you care for them?"
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@@DeliaFasta96 Good point. Our views of "awesomeness" are largely subjective and not based on any objective yardstick. It always intrigues me how casually rational celebrity astrophysicists talk about, not just the awesomeness, but the "beauty" of, for example, the solar system. As a biologist I can understand, from an evolutionary perspective, why we would be attracted by the beauty of a human female form, but what is the survival value of seeing "beauty" in Jupiter or Saturn? How has this irrational trait evolved?
It doesn't say God created his Son.
I wonder why he is so obsessed with attacking christianity but not the other religions? Crazy how hateful people have remained towards christians 🙏
Attacking christianity ? 😂 because it is the "official" religion of america - uk
Criticising your religion is not attacking. Y’all wanna be oppressed so bad it’s sad
I'd be willing to bet "worship" doesn't exist
God is Santa Claus for adults who refuse to grow up... Be a good boy or Santa won't bring you any new toys at Christmas, be a good boy or God won't give you any new toys when you die.
Btw I’m a Muslim, if anyone wants to know the Islamic answers I’ll be happy to answer them for you (but name one at a time I think you understand that I can’t just do it all at once lol)
The first one would be interesting, as that is fundamental to any religion
@@meraldlag4336 there is a beautiful Quran verse about that, pretty much at the beginning of the book
Quran 2:26
Surely Allah does not shy away from using the parable of a mosquito or what is even smaller. As for the believers, they know that it is the truth from their Lord. And as for the disbelievers, they argue, “What does Allah mean by such a parable?” Through this ˹test˺, He leaves many to stray, and guides many. And He leaves none to stray except the rebellious-
As someone who questioned his own faith a lot, the only things I couldn‘t answer are things related to Allahs (gods) motives, and it makes perfect sense, we humans only see humans and animals, maybe even plants, going through their life that’s completely predestined by their desires, we can’t imagine what a creature that has no desires would be like, neither can we really imagine allmight. Creating this entire universe is easy to him, and to him it belongs. And god is perfect and wants his creation to be perfect as well, thus he created the universe perfect and he even gave us an example to live our life’s perfect, this question that asks about the macroscopic things like the whole universe is the same kind of question in the microscopic level when people ask us why god would forbid us eat with our left hand and only allow us to eat with our right hand, I have no clue how god thinks, but I got the answers for everything else in my religion and some pretty convincing evidence that this is from god, therefore I just believe. We Muslims ask no questions when it comes to Allah, islam means submission in Arabic, we are completely submitting our will to the will of god. We can ask one essential question, is this a revelation from god? If the things that I can prove all tell me yes it is then I don’t need and shouldn’t even question something that relates to either Allahs commands or Allahs way of thinking
I wrote this text on top so you may understand not only the reasoning but also how a Muslim thinks
@@meraldlag4336 I explained in detail how we Muslim think about this issue, but to directly answer your question just read Quran 2:26, it pretty much directly addresses this question.
All the things I wrote after that can be summarized by god is not bound to desires, we don’t know how someone with no desires would act or what motives he would have, humans, animals and even plants are that way, on top of that as the verse say it was easy for god to create it, so why shouldn’t he create the universe in a more perfect way that befits him? Lastly I talked about how me Muslims question our faith, we are allowed to question wether it’s from god or not and we have compelling evidence, but after you’ve accepted that this is a revelation from god, why would you question it further? You can understand everything because you don’t have all the wisdom of this world, god does so he surely knows what better, so we don’t go and ask "why do we pray 5 times a day? Why not 4?" Same with this question I think, if there is an answer to this issue it doesn’t mean that islam is right and if there is no answer for this issue that doesn’t mean islam is wrong, because it’s not in a contradiction with any of the Islamic teachings, so even if there was no answer to this question it doesn’t refute islam either, so we don’t question something like this in the first place, I hope you understand what I mean
@@meraldlag4336 TH-cam won’t let me answer and go in detail but Quran 2:26 is an answer to your question, tell me if you need further explanation
Why do you think women should be property and how would you justify p€d0phiIia in islam?
1st question : maybe he is not ddone yet
smart boy
These are sound arguments (at least for some worldviews of the Bible). But they’re not powerful arguments.
I would rather listen to Wagner.
“Just forgive our sins then”
Lol thats not how that works. If he could do that then there wouldn’t need to be a Jesus to die on the cross.
The age of the universe is very relative to what you theorize, God has a definite plan that he would make to overcome the troubles that would come way, God allows Satan to exist for the freedom of man, animals were made with the same building blocks because those are the blocks that optimally form life
Red pen logic touches on the "contradictions" between luke and Mathew, also the reason Jesus had to die is because God is just and the punishment of betraying your creator is death by your creator
The only way you can see God is through your own heart but you can hear his word through others
You can see evidence of God in the universe itself and contradictions are natural but the concepts that these books share is what shows the legitimate word of God
Alex these arguments are just a whole lot of I would’ve done it differently
And contradictions.
Maybe God is patient?
This video is when Alex was younger on his TH-cam journey and you can tell! There’s a reason why he doesn’t make these arguments or ask these questions anymore… because they’re easily explainable. Glad he’s listened over the years rather than the lot of his fellow atheists.
And yet you answered none of the questions he asked nor responded to any arguments.
@@damienschwass9354Time and space are completely irrelevant to God, so "Why did God created 'x' at 'y' " is completely irrelevant. An artist usually has some form of resemblance across their multiple works, so does God. Evolution doesn't necessarily disprove Christianity. Knowing something will happen and actively changing and interrupting something are completely different things. God is suppose to be all-knowing, so every action he permits and the ones he doesn't have certain outcomes which only he knows. For example, if H!tler died from cancer as a child, most people would argue "God lets an innocent child die, he can't be moral", but if we did know the atrocities he will commit in the future, then we will most certainly allow the kid to die. Not saying every kid dying of cancer is a potential H!tler, I'm pointing out how we merely judge from our limited knowledge, whereas God does know everything. God is a personal being, true, but he also represents everything that is good, to disrespect and to make fun of him would also mean to make fun of all the good that he represents. You not only mock God, you are essentially mocking all the good there is possible. Therefore, it is a serious offense. Erasing Satan is possible, however, his existence serves as a possibility for us to choose. If you simply eliminated competition of your lover so that her only choice is you, that is no true love. The sacrifice of Jesus Christ is extremely important because
1: The price of sin is death, that is set in stone
2:Men commits sin, so his future is death
3:God doesn't want that death for us, but to simply forgive us without passing judgement would meant injustice, like a judge forgiving a criminal simply because he can do so.
4: So he took the sentence of death for us, furthur showing how much he loves us and most importantly,how he is a just God who simply doesn't abuse his powers because it is convenient
@@Cguy-bj8ucthe first argument is not addressed here
@@Cguy-bj8uc So if you can't judge anything why are you here? To preach? You to just preach to people like getting people to join a cult?
If we don't understand God why they do you proceed to tell us God's plans? That is completely contradictory, don't you see that? You can't tell the other side not to argue because we have flawed human reason, but you get to argue and tell us all how it is, like you are God's spokesman.
@@joecheffo5942 I don't really believe in God either, but most of Alex's old arguments could be debunked so I did just that
Much questions were: questions that can’t answered such like answers that can’t be questioned. Belittle curiosity, and thus sterilized the unique qualities for individuals to experience living and its wonder.
I'm quite intrigued by the fact that there are no more than 10 versions of the Quran, no less than 3,000 of the bible. Regardless, I cant think of any other subject with such dusty textbooks.
Alex isn't goofy enough for god to speak to
Wt does it take to relate to God of the monotheistic, it is becoming more evident, uncompromising even when they witness the hell themselves raise, everybody deserves it anyhow, I suppose
I'm with you, all the arguments of the atheists or believers mean little to me, I just don't believe.
but the point is that atheists also "don't believe"
To talk about this topic you need to learn first, its ok to have curiosity but all your questions could have been answered by study
He was literally studying theology at Oxford in Britain at the time and has since Finished. He has more than just studied for this.
@@ainzooalgownmomonga6269 as impresive as It might sound he still have to keep looking, still young he Will find his answers
Just cos you have an answer doesn't mean it's good
His question can only be answered in the end times when Jesus 2nd coming. Cause WHY questions is harder to answer than HOW. The point of the bible is SALVATION book not a science book these questions does not need to be answered for it to be true.
2 Peter 3:3
Politics is its own cult. Prove me wrong !-)
Ya es muy tarde para ir al trabajo, lo siento, sufro de depresión y los psicólogos no entienden ni de lo que hablo. En recursos humanos tampoco se enteran de lo que hablo. Se me está tomando el pelo riéndose a mi cara sinvergüenzas. Soy un psicólogo y persona de muchos talentos. Declaro que he descubierto que Dios existe porque lógicamente es imposible la existencia de la creación o finitud sin el creador o infinitud. Estoy hablando de un entendimiento de la realidad diferente que está censurado. Estoy sufriendo la más severa y devastadora censura de la historia intentando dándolo todo probar la existencia de Dios salvando vidas con conocimiento. ¿Por qué se censura el conocimiento? ¿Quién ha descubierto conocimiento que esté censurado? ¿Hay alguien más como yo? Para no desperdiciar este poema de amor digo la verdad es el ateísmo es una falacia lógica que asume Dios es la idea religiosa del creador de la creación y concluye erróneamente que el creador no existe porque una idea particular de Dios no existe. ¿Y si me muero?. Gracias.
sorry..what knowledge is being censored ?
@@skindred1888 I fear you won't get an answer. The man talks about logic yet believers can never come from a point of logic.
Some questions are just dumb.
The best argument against religion is to point out that using any logic and applying it to/beyond the universe is a fallacy of composition
We observe things in the universe adhere to logic therefore the universe must also
The kalam cosmological fallacy
why do you brush your teeth before going to sleep? for what purpose?
For a channel that claims to be about science and innovation, you sure do have an unhealthy obsession with Christianity.
Who is funding you...,mate!?
I think that just about sums it up. And by extension, we can lump islam in to this.
nope, be careful when you know almost nothing about Islam
@@aiya5777 I don't think you are allowed to speak dear.
@@aiya5777 I am careful - so don't worry.
@@Lucy-dn8gn I wasn't even talking to you originally? don't get triggered too easily and then butt in into other people's conversation
@@aiya5777 Thats about the logic you'd expect from a theist, this isn't a private chat sunshine, anyone can butt in if they want, it's not like he was talking to you either, guess you got triggered by his comment and now you're projecting.
i support your questions but all questions should become before the fact that god is not influenced by time/space. Time is a human measure. Free will should be the answer for most of your question. Althoug im not a believer (science facts supporter) there are more fundamental questions of god that those you've made. Just like: "why did we thought of god without seing it."
That about covers it.
Your questions are neither new nor ingenious. Grow up Alex.
How about u answer them then
@@uuproverlord8324 Of course I can't answer them but that isn't my point. Repeating over and over again what he has learned at his seminars isn't impressive. I'd like to see him make his own points beyond being just skeptical. Skepticism never gets you anywhere. It's the young adult's intellectual weapon. Tearing down religion? Fine with me. Where are his own arguments though?
¡Viva Cristo Rey!
The lad Alex wants God to conform to *_all_* his questions, but then says he doesn't believe such a being exist, but then his whole channel is built around such a non existent being, but then again, his fame & wealth is built around such a non existent being, but then again & again & again...🤦♂️ Where would Alex be without God? 🤷♂️
You are confused. There is no evidence that any God exists. He debates believers. These people do in fact exist.
@@MarkoVukovic0 How did you empirically confirm that first statement?
@@johnpacino007 what, that there is no evidence? Are you being serious?
@@MarkoVukovic0 How did you empirically confirm that?
@@johnpacino007 empirically confirm what? If you cannot come from a point of logic, then I will not carry on a conversation with you.
Yeah me neither, not a thing.
As someone who used to be an atheist and watching Alex O’Connor for about a year now, I think Alex’s biggest flaw is not only putting God to the Test but thinking that he deserves definitive proof of his existence, that because he has asked God for an answer he is owed one. Our inability to understand the way the creator of creation themselves works is not a criticism for the creator. The immediate intent of “Faith will no longer be my path to God, but undeniable evidence will be.” You are doomed to fail. Because it’s the nature of something matters more than something itself. And faith in God requires Love and Humility ❤️✝️🕊️
Well said
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A child asks why a lot. When people get old they stop asking why. Old people don't know everything, however they have learned to contain themselves in the knowledge they have.
Are no. I got old but I ask questions. Many old people do
What a depressingly incurious position to take on life.
You are incorrect. The intelligent ask why and make efforts to learn. The lazy are content to either make sh!t up or bask in their ignorance.
I don't think that's quite how it works; I think old people generally become more stubborn and perhaps lose the ability to learn new things easily. It's not that they have "learned" to contain themselves with what they have, it's that they "can't" learn anymore, or it doesn't come to them naturally to think that things can work differently. The old ways are tried and true, and the unknown is unfamiliar and uncertain, so they stick with what they have.
There are of course exceptions. It's not like all old folk are like this, but it is common.
Why do people abuse each other?
Why do addicts stop using?
Why won't God work for me on command?
@@whatsup3270 Competition over resources. Tale as old as time.
Because addiction is a physiological and psychological function in which chemical dependency drives behavior.
ETA: I didn't notice you asked why they stop until I got home. That's easy. Because it is partly psychological, a strong desire to modify one's own behavior can override any biological urges. We see this all the time in cases in which criminal recidivism drops. My own wife quit smoking cold turkey. People can take control of their lives, and sometimes, the belief that a deity is helping them will facilitate in that alteration, It's a placebo effect, but effective nonetheless.
We also see it in people who control all manner of biologically driven urges, from sexual, to altruism, to things like base hunger or thirst in everyday life.
Why assume a deity even exists in the first place?
Seems like pretty simple minded arguments 😅
Feel free to counter
Most religions have a portion of truth ... but they deny the power thereof.
Which power?
God's power.
Such people take power unto themselves, and then pervert the teachings of God.
I knew a guy who wrote these Christian poems. Very beautiful, you would think he was a devout Christian. He was from India, either Hindu or atheist, but not a Christian. He had fun writing them, don't think he sold them, maybe gave them away. He didn't believe what he was writing at all, but knew all the concepts and was a good writer.
So anyone can use mumbo jumbo in language and try to sound mystical. So yeah I have seem this before, only better, sorry.
@@joecheffo5942 - What's your point? It has nothing to do with lovely, flowery language; it's about truth vs falsehood. It comes in all forms - fancy metaphor, allegory, and so forth. But the message matters much more than the form it comes packaged in, and it also matters who the author is. How so? Because only particular individuals are genuine prophets of God. If you don't believe in revelatory communication from God, then not much else matters regarding your beliefs, or the lack thereof -
Besides, YHWH was just the god of storms before Josiah made him the creator and erased the other gods like Baal or Asherah....
How come that in the bible it reads that every first son of Egypt died including the son of the pharaoh as Moses saved the jews from slavery but actually Ramses II first son died at 40 years of age in battle?
That is not Christianity
Now your just talking about something that is far far far from the truth because this Josiah did not just promote god cause the bible did not speak of him
@@CometAzure2010 what??? History and archeology proved my point.
@CometAzure2010 is YHWH not the god of christians either?
@@carloscisneros8887 I'd like to see the history and archaeology that you got that from but still there is one god and there was noone before him
I really like Alex but he doesn’t understand anything about the Bible and ancient writing. For instance “Satan and the Devil” they are just Hebrew words meaning adversary and slanderer. The Bible never talks about a physical creation. Creation to ancient people means an ordered system. Nobody was writing about a God physically creating things, that was a given back then.
This was the clip from his old video, I'm sure he has now updated many of his beliefs
So many of these “why would god do this” questions are easily answered with “we don’t know”, which is a valid answer when atheists are asked how the universe started
That's true. We don't know.
But that's the thing, why would we not know? Why did god not give us exact evidence for which he existed if he know that we would believe the said evidence and therefore be saved from damnation and hell?
@@ri5203 it’s all part of his Plan
@@spinnwebe_ "Part of his plan". Why is his plan not good for us then?
@@ri5203 then it would probably go “we are too limited to understand the fullness of god’s plan” or similar
AS YOU HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF THE WAY OF THE WIND OR OF THE GROWTH OF THE BONES IN THE BODY OF HER WHO IS WITH CHILD EVEN SO YOU HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF THE WORKS OF GOD WHO HAS MADE ALL
Ecclesiastes 11:5
You're not louder.
I mean, nowadays we absolutely do have all of those bits of knowledge, it's just God who's being particularly stubborn about hiding.
Yr making the classic mistake of thinking you're smarter than God because you can't figure out why He did things in a certain way. 'Why would God have ... etc'. Rest assured that these types of attacks on God won't change a thing. It is what it is. Yr wasting yr time and energy. All will be revealed one not-so-fine day. Just be patient
"Attacks on God" - sounds like Attack On Titan 😂😂😂😂😂
An almighty god should not be offended by the frailties of man. But, through 70% of the bible, that god was obsessed with floods, ethnic cleansing, cannibalism
not smarter than god at all, smarter than bronze age goat herders. smarter than what people say about it. weird that youre twisting this. attacks lol
You are a real simple person…aren’t you ? Have you ever tried to Think Critically ? I would guess not. Please give it a go.
I dont believe in god, but i think it helps civilization build a culture, which imo is better than the secular culture that non belief breeds. You only have to look at the us abysmal culture to get what im saying.
I don't see the problem with lack of culture