The answer is from 9:33, but you won’t get it unless you watch from the start! Timestamps: 0:00 Definition of Angel (this will be important later) 1:35 Jacob meets Yahweh at Bethel (keep watching, trust me) 6:34 The Angel of God says he met Jacob at Bethel (getting there, you’ll be 🤯) 9:33 Now the passage you’re looking for (Jacob wrestles a man) 14:11 And now the inspired exegesis of what you just read (Hosea 12)
Good video Sam. But it's too bad that you didn't discover what is in Genesis 28:15 too. I believe that you are using the Legacy Standard Bible which translates the Hebrew as "not forsake you until", where the King James has translated it into English as: “for I will “not leave thee, until” I have done that which I have spoken to thee of” This is from the Masoretic Hebrew text, כִּי ”לֹא אֶֽעֱזָבְךָ עַד“ אֲשֶׁר אִם־עָשִׂיתִי אֵת אֲשֶׁר־דִּבַּרְתִּי לָֽךְ This is the first time that the Divine have ever Spoken the Words, *I will not leave thee, until*, and this was certainly never spoken to Abraham or Isaac, the other Two Patriarchs. Did you ever happen to notice that the Theophanic Man/Messenger that you're are speaking about here, only stayed and wrestled with Jacob *UNTIL the LIGHT*? The vow (the very first recorded vow) is a Quid Pro Quo vow. The Divine cannot lie, but Jacob didn't trust and have faith in YHVH yet. YHVH had to first fulfill His Promise, before Jacob would consider Him to be his God. So, the real question would be if Isaiah 55:11. is true, then why did Genesis 35:10. occur after Genesis 32:28.??? The reason that YHVH struck Jacob's hip is because it's a foreshadowing (damah from Hosea 12:10.) of the relationship between the future Israel and the Divine. Jacob (the first Israel) was lame and (they) didn’t “walk correctly”. The “striking” of Jacob’s thigh fulfills Amos 3:7., and it also foreshadows all of the punishments that YHVH would levy upon the first Israel for always being “stiffnecked” and “wrestling” with Him. The reason that Jacob asked YHVH what His name was, was because Jacob didn't personally know YHVH nor His Name “El Shaddai” or “God Almighty”. The Name “El Shaddai” was what the other Two Patriarchs, (Abram/Abraham - Genesis 17:1. and Isaac - Genesis 28:3.) knew YHVH’s Name as (see Exodus 6:3.), albeit both of them knew “El Shaddai” as being their “Nurturing Sustainer”. So, God replaces Jacob’s name with *Israel before the LIGHT*. Because God had only replaced Jacob’s name with Israel based upon the following criteria: • Jacob had shown his determination to struggle and to constantly fight against God. • And he had flaunted his rebellious propensity to disobey a Tôwrâh Commandment. This is a damah that warns of the divisive relationship between God and the first Israel, where the LORD “casts them out” (after *YESHUA the LIGHT*), for their rebellion, iniquities, and transgressions. I'd be happy to provide you with more brother, (I am almost 20 years older than you are). We all can learn more, Sam. Just ask.
P.S. The text "he (Jacob) wept, and made supplication unto Him (YHVH): He (Jacob) found Him (YHVH) in Bethel, and there he (Jacob) spake with Us (the Divine);" in Hosea 12:4. is referring to the Genesis 35:10 encounter.
The answer to who Jacob "wrestled" is here: Ephesians 6:12 The victorious struggle took place before God, from which Jacob received the name "Israel". Thus, "Israel" means a victorious struggle ("wrestle") before God on a spiritual level (against dark powers).
@@Lund.J No, Jacob did not wrestle against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, and against spiritual wickedness in high places. Jacob wrestled against YHVW!!! Also, *so you believe that the created can be victorious over their Creator then* Wouldn't this make far more sense? Genesis 32:28.: “And He said, “Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power (שָׂרִ֧ית - the root verb שָׂרָה - sârâh; Qal stem, “to persist, to struggle and contend”) with God and with men, and hast prevailed.” (וַתּוּכָֽל - the root verb יָכֹל - yakol; Qal stem, to be “victorious, overcome, prevail and *endure”, where *endured* would be the correct translation.) Why *endured* instead of prevailed is the correct translation, is because it would be impossible for Jacob, or any created being, to somehow be victorious and to miraculously “prevail” over their Unfathomably Powerful, “Creator God”! Jacob *endured* because God simply “spared” his life. (See 32:30.) Genesis 32:30.: "And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my “life” is preserved (the verb וַתִּנָּצֵל the root נָצַל - natsal; Niphal stem, delivered, or *spared*).” Jacob didn’t “prevail” over God! Instead, God simply *spared* Jacob’s life for a future Purpose.
I was puzzling over this just this morning and asking God about it. He has sent me the answer this evening, praise be to his name. And thank you Sam for expounding the precious word to us.
Only those who don't know structure and language of the old testament could say the angel is god...... the prophets were also speaking as God, were they god?..... obviously the angels spoke as God because they are messengers of God and quoting the word of God. How does it make any sense that "God" cannot Prevail a man and "God" asked a man Permission to go?..... the Hebrew text doesn't Necessarily say "God" it says ELOHIM/El which doesn't always mean "God," the Definition of these words means "mighty" which could be angels, so jacob Is wrestledwith an angel, not with God.
That is why we mortals can never comprehend God, being the mighty one, he can manifest himself to we mortals in many ways to show us his might. I had been also disturbed by this verse and thought how could God wrestle with a mear man, was prepared food and ate then he was called an Angel, I thought to myself it was impossible but now I perceive it, If God cannot reveal himself in any form as he pleases, the he isn't God and he does this for those with Faith to indeed he is God.
He revealed Himself as El Shaddai to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. but to Moses He said THE Divine Name (HASHEM is Hebrew for it) “I AM THAT I AM”. or YHWH
This is what i always say to the jews. If Jacob wrestled with just an angel. His name should be IsraMalakh. But he wrestled with God. That's why his name became Israel.
The problem is el and elohim DO NOT MEAN GOD. When are Christians going to understand this? it literally tells you in Hosea exactly what he fought with and it clearly calls this an angel, not God. And it calls this angel, elohim. How much clearer could you get that el does not mean God? It literally spells it out for you.
@@nothingbutthetruth613 seriously you know nothing. Genesis 1:1. Elohim created earth and heaven. So an angel created earth and heaven. Not God?? Please stop this.
@@menderkoure6442 So let's go through a little basic Hebrew. Every word in Hebrew has a root. The root of the word elohim is el. The word el does not mean God at all. There is NOTHING in this word that means God. El means strong or mighty. That's it. Look at Psalm 29:1 "sons of the mighty". It is simply conveying the idea of strength and power. Spiritual beings are called this because they have power beyond what we have. Yes, the majority of times this word is used, it is referring to God but not always and not even close. Look at Exodus 7:1 taking about Moses "I have made you elohim..." Is Moses god too? Look at Exodus 21 and 22. Elohim is referring to judges all throughout these chapters. And here you see clearly that elohim means an angel. The crazy part of this video is that most Christians bring up Jacob wrestling because they don't know Hosea and they believe the lies they are told. However, this guy actually quotes from there and quotes the very verse which tells you it is an angel. Just incredible that he could do this with a straight face. Then you have people that actually still fall for it. It literally says what this being was and it's not any God. What is he talking about? Just amazing!
@@menderkoure6442 So let's go through a little basic Hebrew. Every word in Hebrew has a root. The root of the word elohim is el. The word el does not mean God at all. There is NOTHING in this word that means God. El means strong or mighty. That's it. Look at Psalm 29:1 "sons of the mighty". It is simply conveying the idea of strength and power. Spiritual beings are called this because they have power beyond what we have. Yes, the majority of times this word is used, it is referring to God but not always and not even close. Look at Exodus 7:1 taking about Moses "I have made you elohim..." Is Moses god too? Look at Exodus 21 and 22. Elohim is referring to judges all throughout these chapters.
@@menderkoure6442 Here you see clearly that elohim means an angel. The crazy part of this video is that most Christians bring up Jacob wrestling because they don't know Hosea and they believe the lies they are told. However, this guy actually quotes from there and quotes the very verse which tells you it is an angel. Just incredible that he could do this with a straight face. Then you have people that actually still fall for it. It literally says what this being was and it's not any God. What is he talking about? Just amazing!
@tgreg9542 Even despite the fact we can't see God (The Father ) In his loving kindnesses, He still revealed Himself through The Lord Jesus Christ. "HE WHO SEES ME, HAD SEEN THE FATHER" WOW!
"The Bible is so clear cut, how do people not understand", WOW, what a pompous and presumptuous question. 1st of all, the bible is translated into different languages, and the translation of certain words shown by Sam in many examples on this very channel have different meanings, hence the phrase "lost in translation". Second, everybody has different learning curves. I am so glad you have a full and complete understanding of the Bible, but many of us do not. Maybe you should create your own channel and enlighten us. I would check it out.🙂
@@jaynuckels STOP getting triggered by Truth... Bible is clear cut brother... And he asks How comes "people" don't understand?? 1: he never counted himself out of the said quote "people!" 2: He never claimed He himself understood All of the Bible 3: He's but making the imperative that we are lagging behind by our own making, by not striving to know and to understand the Bible... Not That Bible on himself confusing... Calm down and digest people's opinions before rhetorics
@@dominicomeh7219 Wow, you really read alot into his little sentence. He did say the bible, correct? Which means the whole bible is clear cut, correct? I guess he should have reworded by writing, that one specific phrase is so clear cut, not the bible. I dont know what you mean by triggered by the truth, that makes no sense to me. Im pretty sure your not my daddy, so telling me what to do really isnt going to work with me my brother.
He wrestled with Jesus. Also the way i think of it since the Hebrew word for angel means messanger and this particular angel is called "the angel of Yahweh" it can be conflated to be "the message of Yahweh" which can also be rephrased as "the Word of Yahweh".
Another mind blowing before I go to sleep (time check 8:30pm Philippines time) I hope I dream this also just like Jacob. God bless Sam.. Thank you very much.
It literally says this was NOT God and it is an angel. It says it black and white in Hosea that it is an angel. What in the world is this video showing except how what they have taught you is a lie? He's trying to prove something from the very verse that disproves it. Amazing!
@@nothingbutthetruth613 Then why would Jacob say "It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared” (Genesis 32:30, NIV)?. Hogan explains why it is Jesus, " . He also say's for you have striven with God and have prevailed? Catch that from minute 12
@@Dankioko Because it doesn't say that. You think he saw God's face? You think he fought with God and won? Does that really make any sense to you? The word is elohim and this does not mean God. It means power or might and could be referring to many different beings or people including judges, royalty, and angels. He fought with an angel and he prevailed and he saw the angel face to face. This is exactly what Hosea is telling you. He literally spells it out for you. It was an angel. Very simple!
Only those who don't know structure and language of the old testament could say the angel is god...... the prophets were also speaking as God, were they god?..... obviously the angels spoke as God because they are messengers of God and quoting the word of God. How does it make any sense that "God" cannot Prevail a man and "God" asked a man Permission to go?..... the Hebrew text doesn't Necessarily say "God" it says ELOHIM/El which doesn't always mean "God," the Definition of these words means "mighty" which could be angels, so jacob Is wrestledwith an angel, not with God.
AMPC And God said to Moses, I Am Who I Am and What I Am, and I Will Be What I Will Be; and He said, You shall say this to the Israelites: I Am has sent me to YOU
As I read more and more bit by bit, it is being revealed. When I come across this video, you confirm what I just read. Confirming what I was understanding? Wow, thank you, Lord, for continuing to open my eye heart and hearing. In Jesus's name amén. Thank you, Sam, for all that you do to teach the Lords work. God bless you always.
Only those who don't know structure and language of the old testament could say the angel is god...... the prophets were also speaking as God, were they god?..... obviously the angels spoke as God because they are messengers of God and quoting the word of God. How does it make any sense that "God" cannot Prevail a man and "God" asked a man Permission to go?..... the Hebrew text doesn't Necessarily say "God" it says ELOHIM/El which doesn't always mean "God," the Definition of these words means "mighty" which could be angels, so jacob Is wrestledwith an angel, not with God.
SAM! I hope you read this, thank you for displaying Christ like characteristics, and teach lessons through Christ, it’s a heavy burden to deal with any religion as it may seem , but, people like myself are soldiers of christ! I am a trinitarian , and read my bible everyday!!! Your passion, as well as Jay, GodLogic, PC , and many others have made me tune in and learn more intellectual knowledge about Christ and our word. Thank you Sam!
Only those who don't know structure and language of the old testament could say the angel is god...... the prophets were also speaking as God, were they god?..... obviously the angels spoke as God because they are messengers of God and quoting the word of God. How does it make any sense that "God" cannot Prevail a man and "God" asked a man Permission to go?..... the Hebrew text doesn't Necessarily say "God" it says ELOHIM/El which doesn't always mean "God," the Definition of these words means "mighty" which could be angels, so jacob Is wrestledwith an angel, not with God.
Only those who don't structure and language of the old testament could say the angel is god...... the prophets were also speaking as God, were they god?..... obviously the angels spoke as God because they are messengers of God and quoting the word of God. How does it make any sense that "God" cannot Prevail a man and "God" asked a man Permission to go?..... the Hebrew text doesn't Necessarily say "God" it says ELOHIM/El which doesn't always mean "God," the Definition of these words means "mighty" which could be angels, so jacob Is wrestledwith an angel, not with God.
Only those who don't Is structure and language of the old testament could say the angel is god...... the prophets were also speaking as God, were they god?..... obviously the angels spoke as God because they are messengers of God and quoting the word of God. How does it make any sense that "God" cannot Prevail a man and "God" asked a man Permission to go?..... the Hebrew text doesn't Necessarily say "God" it says ELOHIM/El which doesn't always mean "God," the Definition of these words means "mighty" which could be angels, so jacob Is wrestledwith an angel, not with God.
Keep up the good work sir. Awesome Awesome Awesome. Sir I pray for more of God's grace and power, even as you continue in spreading the gospel of JESUS CHRIST THE LORD. AMEN AND AMEN. ❤ Much Love from NIGERIA.
Only those who don't know structure and language of the old testament could say the angel is god...... the prophets were also speaking as God, were they god?..... obviously the angels spoke as God because they are messengers of God and quoting the word of God. How does it make any sense that "God" cannot Prevail a man and "God" asked a man Permission to go?..... the Hebrew text doesn't Necessarily say "God" it says ELOHIM/El which doesn't always mean "God," the Definition of these words means "mighty" which could be angels, so jacob Is wrestledwith an angel, not with God.
Your message is true, and I find you very funny (I mean well). Your enthusiasm is infectious. You come across as an Italian gentleman, character-wise, even though you are not Italian. I love that you are so educated about the quran and the Holy Bible. Thank you for spreading your messages.
If his Message is true, can you answer why the prophets were not god even though they spoke as God?.... How does it make any sense that "God" cannot Prevail a man and "God" asked a man Permission to go?..... the Hebrew text doesn't Necessarily say "God" it says ELOHIM/El which doesn't always mean "God," the Definition of these words means "mighty" which could be angels.
12:04 I don't think men(plural for man) was referring to God as a man but rather Laban and Esau(men) or maybe it also includes god as man and served as a final test for Jacob to fulfill the part where he has sufficiently striven with men for his name to be Israel. I cannot think it means all men, otherwise it would roughly translate as "all men" or "man".
Only those who don't know structure and language of the old testament could say the angel is god...... the prophets were also speaking as God, were they god?..... obviously the angels spoke as God because they are messengers of God and quoting the word of God. How does it make any sense that "God" cannot Prevail a man and "God" asked a man Permission to go?..... the Hebrew text doesn't Necessarily say "God" it says ELOHIM/El which doesn't always mean "God," the Definition of these words means "mighty" which could be angels, so jacob Is wrestledwith an angel, not with God.
Your message is incredibly important.. the philosophical approach is enjoyable.. boarders language and culture define a people.. your program discusses the culture I'm interested in.. keep up the good work..
Only those who don't know structure and language of the old testament could say the angel is god...... the prophets were also speaking as God, were they god?..... obviously the angels spoke as God because they are messengers of God and quoting the word of God. How does it make any sense that "God" cannot Prevail a man and "God" asked a man Permission to go?..... the Hebrew text doesn't Necessarily say "God" it says ELOHIM/El which doesn't always mean "God," the Definition of these words means "mighty" which could be angels, so jacob Is wrestledwith an angel, not with God.
The Angel of the Lord. Is the Word of God. Our Lord Jesus Christ before he became a man. Its the only way to make since of the scriptures. Praise the Name of the Lord.
Only those who don't know structure and language of the old testament could say the angel is god...... the prophets were also speaking as God, were they god?..... obviously the angels spoke as God because they are messengers of God and quoting the word of God. How does it make any sense that "God" cannot Prevail a man and "God" asked a man Permission to go?..... the Hebrew text doesn't Necessarily say "God" it says ELOHIM/El which doesn't always mean "God," the Definition of these words means "mighty" which could be angels, so jacob Is wrestledwith an angel, not with God.
The Angel of The Lord never rebuked those for worship of Him. There was always a distinction between angels and The Angel of The Lord. Just because He could have destroyed Jacob doesn't mean He wanted to. Like a father who wrestles thier kids and let's them win to build confidence.
@@JD-gw3fp how could you say it's like a father let his kids win when the Hebrew text explicitly says he COULD NOT prevail him? The simple meaning of "could not" means simple like that he COULD NOT prevail! Beside this, if it was like a father who let his kids win why did Damage the Socket of Jacob's hip?? Is this what a father does??.... was jacob like a small kid who was looking for some "Confidence" to show up that he's a "Strong guy"?....
@nathankupczyk3125 Do you always read the text plain? Was that my opinion in the form of an analogy? Yes. But regardless a regular angel could have destroyed Jacob. God, could have destroyed Jacob, but did not? Why wrestle? Is there something deeper to the text? This was not a mere angel, and even Jacob said it was God. You saying Elohim does not defeat my argument. What is the context of this verse is the question you should ask yourself. Elohim can mean one thing and then mean something different somewhere else. This was Christ preincarnet that embodied a man to wrestle with Jacob. Also the disjoint was probably a reminder of that day. Jacob is Israel, and Israel wrestled with God throughout thier rise and falls.
"previously the name of the city had been Luz." Interestingly, "Luz" means "light" in Spanish. How does a Spanish word appear in reference to a city in Israel dating back to 1652-1505 BC?
"Luz" in the Bible means almonds (H3868), also separation or turn aside, and departure (H3869) (Hebrew). As almonds, they were abundant there in Bethel during those times. And almonds talk about God being "watchful" of His word to be performed hastily. As "separation" and "departure" prophetically means Jacob is going to separate ways with his brother Esau and to depart from being just a "Jacob" (in hot pursuit of God, "stalker") to become an "overcomer" (Israel, one who rules with God and with men).
@breasofthetuathadedanann6884 Amen brother!! God is no respecter of persons! Galatians 3:16 "Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ." 👉📖🪔☝️✝️👑🙏🙌❤️🔥
A different approach to the text could come considering these facts/points: 1. it starts for the context at Genesis 31:53: God of Nahor (Who is that?). see also Joshua 24:2 2. Rachel still has the teraphim (idols from other religions) with her 3. How can Jacob defeat the almighty God? (verse 29) 4. Why does Jacob want to be blessed by the loser? (verse 27) - Hebrews 7:7 states that the lesser is to be blessed by the better (the weaker by the stronger) 5. Why must the loser get away in the morning? (verse 27) 6. The story is told in a somewhat expanded form in Hosea 12:4-7, where the fighter is referred to as an angel [Malak]. Malak can also simply mean messenger or envoy, as in the same chapter Genesis 32:4. 7. a man [ish] fights. This can also simply be someone beyond the human realm (see, for example, Joshua 5:13, 14). God [elohim] is translated by some Jews and rabbis here and in Hosea as deity, which is permissible. Elohim of other nations, for example, are called gods (as already mentioned in Joshua 24:2 above, also here: Deuteronomy 10:17; Psalm 95:3; Psalm 86:8; Psalm 97:9 etc). Our God [Yahweh] fights against the gods of Egypt and executes a judgment on them (Exodus 12:12). It is in this context that the Elohim appear in the NT, for example in Paul's passage “rulers, authorities, world rulers, spirits of wickedness” (Ephesians 6:12). It appears in many texts that different areas/peoples had their own “Elohim”. 8. The sequence of events could be under these circumstances (especially with Hosea 12:4-7) like the following: The Elohim of Edom wants to prevent Jacob from reconciling with his brother, but cannot defeat him until dawn. He fought with the angel (Hosea 12) and was superior. Jacob wept and begged God [Yahweh] for mercy [help]. Our God helps him and gives him strength (that would be according to Genesis 28 again). The foreign Elohim can just dislocates his hip, but Jacob prevents him from leaving. God decides this battle and Jacob is allowed to enter the land. 9. Blessing [barak] in verse 27 can also mean praising someone. So the foreign Elohim had to admit here that he had lost. Blessing is from the higher to the lower. From lower to higher (as here) one should rather translate praise. You can then translate like this: I will not let you go unless you have praised me! 10. The almighty Yahweh-Elohim [our God] has “no idea” of a change of name. Genesis 35:10: “Your name is Jacob”. The encounter with Jacob in Bethel is completely different from this mysterious battle.)
What a weak "god" is Jesus, he couldn't Prevail Jacob then he asked Permission from Jacob to leave.... I would suggest you to worship jacob Rather than jesus.....
Only those who don't know structure and language of the old testament could say the angel is god...... the prophets were also speaking as God, were they god?..... obviously the angels spoke as God because they are messengers of God and quoting the word of God. How does it make any sense that "God" cannot Prevail a man and "God" asked a man Permission to go?..... the Hebrew text doesn't Necessarily say "God" it says ELOHIM/El which doesn't always mean "God," the Definition of these words means "mighty" which could be angels, so jacob Is wrestledwith an angel, not with God.
Actually the old testament says that. Exodus 33:20. This whole discussion is mute since it all contradicts this clear statement. You can not see God. Period. This negates any notion of Jesus being a divine being.
Indeed, everything that you said, it's TRUE, brother! May YEHOVAH Elohim, bless you! May YESHUA , the King Messiah, bless you! May the Holy Spirit of YESHUA MESSIAH bless you and fill you with even more Light from His Majesty!
Only those who don't know structure and language of the old testament could say the angel is god...... the prophets were also speaking as God, were they god?..... obviously the angels spoke as God because they are messengers of God and quoting the word of God. How does it make any sense that "God" cannot Prevail a man and "God" asked a man Permission to go?..... the Hebrew text doesn't Necessarily say "God" it says ELOHIM/El which doesn't always mean "God," the Definition of these words means "mighty" which could be angels, so jacob Is wrestledwith an angel, not with God.
The Angel of the Lord is also the one that appeared to Moses in the burning bush, the one named I AM, as well Michael the archangel that fought the dragon before the Earth was created (Rev), the one mentioned 3 times by Daniel, the one that fought Satan for the body of Moses, and the one named Israel, who gives Jacob his name.
Only those who don't Is structure and language of the old testament could say the angel is god...... the prophets were also speaking as God, were they god?..... obviously the angels spoke as God because they are messengers of God and quoting the word of God. How does it make any sense that "God" cannot Prevail a man and "God" asked a man Permission to go?..... the Hebrew text doesn't Necessarily say "God" it says ELOHIM/El which doesn't always mean "God," the Definition of these words means "mighty" which could be angels, so jacob Is wrestledwith an angel, not with God.
That is the most brilliant explanation of Jacob's wrestle I have ever heard. Interesting, those who follow Judaism call the angel Esau. As an agnostic,Sam really explains in detail.
How does it make any sense that "God" cannot Prevail a man and "God" asked a man Permission to go?..... the Hebrew text doesn't Necessarily say "God" it says ELOHIM/El which doesn't always mean "God," the Definition of these words means "mighty" which could be angels, so jacob Is wrestledwith an angel, not with God. Those who follow Judaism are saying this was the prince (guardian angel) of Esau.
@@nathankupczyk3125 Not sure what you are saying, do you see Esau in this description? Sam clearly interprets that God can manifest himself as an angel. . Take another example in Exod.23:20-22. Who is this angel? My name is within him. Obey him,for he will not forgive your transgressions. No other angel in the hebrew scriptures is spoken of this way. Read the bible for what it says and try to understand it and not for what others tell you it says.
@@baldeagle-cq2jl rabbinic Commentaries are not always based on the Description. However, you're free not to accept, that's not the point. Sam could "Clearly" interpret, but like I said the Hebrew text doesn't say God manifested as an angel. If I would accept that the angel wrestling With Jacob was god, it's also what others tell me it says, right?.... Regarding exudes 23, I'm just trying to understand. Obviously God forgive Transgressions, if the angel doesn't forgive transgressions how could he be God? According to Christianity that the angel is Jesus, how could this angel be Jesus? So Jesus doesn't forgive sin?...
The small selection about Jacob and God. Is incredibly dense with information. For instance. Genesis 32: 30 In naming the place Peniel. For having seen the face of God. Think about how important this is. Noah asked to see God and was shown his backside. Jacob saw his face. There is likely far more to this story than we realize.
Wait a minute Sam I figured it out on my own. The pope is a transgender version of Mary. And I didnt even need the church fathers to figure that one out. No need to do a post about who the pope is Sam, I figured it out. God bless y'all.
Something I was thinking about the other day. Perhaps God manifested himself as a man, as Jesus, because we mere mortals cannot fathom or stand to see him in his true glory as the Father. Maybe he needed to turn himself into a human so he could properly interact with and around us? I don't know, just a thought.
Or God never manifested himself as a man... nowhere in scripture does it say that. the Hebrew text doesn't Necessarily say "God" Is wrestled with Jacob, it says ELOHIM/El which doesn't always mean "God," the Definition of these words means "mighty" which could be angels, just another thought....
Artscroll is even more self incriminating “an angel of God”/God of Beth-el. It’s right in front of the Jews’ faces but they can’t see it, how?! the Truth is coming back aka the King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
The gateway of God was there. Jesus said I am the door and only through Jesus is the way to life for He is the way. The gate Way. Jesus was there when Jacob anointed the pillar. I love the Lord Jesus. His word is my light
I got another one from this drop. You said Jacob used a stone and made his vow in the old testament l.. check how Jesus fulfills in the new and said I will build my church on this rock….. and the gates of hell shall not prevail💯💯💯💯
John 10:34-35 (KJV) Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
Only those who don't know structure and language of the old testament could say the angel is god...... the prophets were also speaking as God, were they god?..... obviously the angels spoke as God because they are messengers of God and quoting the word of God. How does it make any sense that "God" cannot Prevail a man and "God" asked a man Permission to go?..... the Hebrew text doesn't Necessarily say "God" it says ELOHIM/El which doesn't always mean "God," the Definition of these words means "mighty" which could be angels, so jacob Is wrestledwith an angel, not with God.
probably it was Jesus wrestled with Jacob He wrestles with me a lot. calls me lady mud wrestler and He cracked my hip like Jacob and kept calling me Cracked up Jacob. Jacob being a leg puller means he joked around with God and other people He blesses me daily with benefits and new songs like this one A song Jesus sang about Jacob and Esau from their momma If it be so. Why am i thus? Why all this fighting And all this fuss My belly it moves And wiggles about Inside they struggle wrestle and shout Lord what is this? All about? Two nations He said You carry within One will be stronger The other thin Wiry wrestler little fella A special chosen one The last shall be first The older brother He Will serve the Younger The younger Will be called supplanter Leg puller pranker Esau called him a wanker When deliverance came Behold yes there were two One was big, red, and hairy After that came another Boy too Holding onto his heel And so the boys grew One was a hunter The other tent dweller One the Lord loved And wrestled with him
Exodus 6/ 2- 3 god is it who tald Moses the story about the passt , nobody knows god ( only people with a spirit from him ) thats why he Control which Person with what a kind of a spirit and when they time will come so that these Person will be born here in these world but of course if you have stollen the blessing from you own brother sure Love or not he is god came in the Image of a man kicked the shit behavior out of Jakob , and have no Problem to tell moses about these fight versus a blessin thef .
4:35 Heaven is referring to the skies beyond our sky. Not an extra spiritual dimension. Jesus ascended to heaven. Ascended mean he went up! He did not vanish into another dimension invisible to us. The vocabulary is very specific. If ancient believers thought the skies were up, why should we believe it’s in another dimension, even a spiritual one? They didn’t have the concept of interstellar space… but it doesn’t change what heaven meant for them, it’s not metaphorical language when they said heaven is beyond our sky. It’s very locative language.
To people thinking the subject of heaven’s nature is not important, here is a thinking experiment. Imagine tomorrow Christ appears coming out of heaven and he comes from another realm appearing like a portal formed so he’s coming into our physical reality out from a spiritual one, like out of a stargate (cf. the show Stargate) . Would you accept this figure as Christ or will you check your Bible and see that Christ is supposed to come from the sky, descending on earth, coming from outer space since he should come back just as he went ( cf. Acts 1) and he did not vanish into the air. Some will argue, it’s the same if he appears out from a kind of spiritual portal in the sky… The two scenarios might happen and one might be treated as an alien invasion, so there will be a war in the sky between two Christs that appeared differently and one will be the real Jesus and the other, Satan in disguise.
Only those who don't know structure and language of the old testament could say the angel is god...... the prophets were also speaking as God, were they god?..... obviously the angels spoke as God because they are messengers of God and quoting the word of God. How does it make any sense that "God" cannot Prevail a man and "God" asked a man Permission to go?..... the Hebrew text doesn't Necessarily say "God" it says ELOHIM/El which doesn't always mean "God," the Definition of these words means "mighty" which could be angels, so jacob Is wrestledwith an angel, not with Go
Where is the evidence for all this? Have you personally seen any of this? How can there be 8 billion people on this planet and it's not a worldwide accepted fact?
did he wrestled with God or he wrestled with his old self (represents his baggage and fears) ? ..... over coming it made him a new person and earned him a new name
The answer is from 9:33, but you won’t get it unless you watch from the start!
Timestamps:
0:00 Definition of Angel (this will be important later)
1:35 Jacob meets Yahweh at Bethel (keep watching, trust me)
6:34 The Angel of God says he met Jacob at Bethel (getting there, you’ll be 🤯)
9:33 Now the passage you’re looking for (Jacob wrestles a man)
14:11 And now the inspired exegesis of what you just read (Hosea 12)
Good video Sam. But it's too bad that you didn't discover what is in Genesis 28:15 too.
I believe that you are using the Legacy Standard Bible which translates the Hebrew as "not forsake you until", where the King James has translated it into English as:
“for I will “not leave thee, until” I have done that which I have spoken to thee of”
This is from the Masoretic Hebrew text, כִּי ”לֹא אֶֽעֱזָבְךָ עַד“ אֲשֶׁר אִם־עָשִׂיתִי אֵת אֲשֶׁר־דִּבַּרְתִּי לָֽךְ
This is the first time that the Divine have ever Spoken the Words, *I will not leave thee, until*, and this was certainly never spoken to Abraham or Isaac, the other Two Patriarchs.
Did you ever happen to notice that the Theophanic Man/Messenger that you're are speaking about here, only stayed and wrestled with Jacob *UNTIL the LIGHT*?
The vow (the very first recorded vow) is a Quid Pro Quo vow.
The Divine cannot lie, but Jacob didn't trust and have faith in YHVH yet.
YHVH had to first fulfill His Promise, before Jacob would consider Him to be his God.
So, the real question would be if Isaiah 55:11. is true, then why did Genesis 35:10. occur after Genesis 32:28.???
The reason that YHVH struck Jacob's hip is because it's a foreshadowing (damah from Hosea 12:10.) of the relationship between the future Israel and the Divine. Jacob (the first Israel) was lame and (they) didn’t “walk correctly”. The “striking” of Jacob’s thigh fulfills Amos 3:7., and it also foreshadows all of the punishments that YHVH would levy upon the first Israel for always being “stiffnecked” and “wrestling” with Him.
The reason that Jacob asked YHVH what His name was, was because Jacob didn't personally know YHVH nor His Name “El Shaddai” or “God Almighty”.
The Name “El Shaddai” was what the other Two Patriarchs, (Abram/Abraham - Genesis 17:1. and Isaac - Genesis 28:3.) knew YHVH’s Name as (see Exodus 6:3.), albeit both of them knew “El Shaddai” as being their “Nurturing Sustainer”.
So, God replaces Jacob’s name with *Israel before the LIGHT*. Because God had only replaced Jacob’s name with Israel based upon the following criteria:
• Jacob had shown his determination to struggle and to constantly fight against God.
• And he had flaunted his rebellious propensity to disobey a Tôwrâh Commandment.
This is a damah that warns of the divisive relationship between God and the first Israel, where the LORD “casts them out” (after *YESHUA the LIGHT*), for their rebellion, iniquities, and transgressions.
I'd be happy to provide you with more brother, (I am almost 20 years older than you are).
We all can learn more, Sam. Just ask.
P.S. The text "he (Jacob) wept, and made supplication unto Him (YHVH): He (Jacob) found Him (YHVH) in Bethel, and there he (Jacob) spake with Us (the Divine);" in Hosea 12:4. is referring to the Genesis 35:10 encounter.
The answer to who Jacob "wrestled" is here:
Ephesians 6:12
The victorious struggle took place before God, from which Jacob received the name "Israel".
Thus, "Israel" means a victorious struggle ("wrestle") before God on a spiritual level (against dark powers).
3 temptations of Jesus refers to the same thing.
Advasary will fail in the last of them.
@@Lund.J No, Jacob did not wrestle against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, and against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Jacob wrestled against YHVW!!!
Also, *so you believe that the created can be victorious over their Creator then*
Wouldn't this make far more sense?
Genesis 32:28.: “And He said, “Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power (שָׂרִ֧ית - the root verb שָׂרָה - sârâh; Qal stem, “to persist, to struggle and contend”) with God and with men, and hast prevailed.” (וַתּוּכָֽל - the root verb יָכֹל - yakol; Qal stem, to be “victorious, overcome, prevail and *endure”, where *endured* would be the correct translation.)
Why *endured* instead of prevailed is the correct translation, is because it would be impossible for Jacob, or any created being, to somehow be victorious and to miraculously “prevail” over their Unfathomably Powerful, “Creator God”! Jacob *endured* because God simply “spared” his life. (See 32:30.)
Genesis 32:30.: "And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my “life” is preserved (the verb וַתִּנָּצֵל the root נָצַל - natsal; Niphal stem, delivered, or *spared*).”
Jacob didn’t “prevail” over God!
Instead, God simply *spared* Jacob’s life for a future Purpose.
The bible is forever revealing blessings and full of life. ✝️🙏🏽🕊️
Here are the verses that he used: Genesis 28:10-22 , Genesis 31:10-13 , Genesis 32:25-32 , Hosea 12:2-5
Thank you🙏🏽
I was puzzling over this just this morning and asking God about it. He has sent me the answer this evening, praise be to his name. And thank you Sam for expounding the precious word to us.
Only those who don't know structure and language of the old testament could say the angel is god...... the prophets were also speaking as God, were they god?..... obviously the angels spoke as God because they are messengers of God and quoting the word of God.
How does it make any sense that "God" cannot Prevail a man and "God" asked a man Permission to go?..... the Hebrew text doesn't Necessarily say "God" it says ELOHIM/El which doesn't always mean "God," the Definition of these words means "mighty" which could be angels, so jacob Is wrestledwith an angel, not with God.
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Wow! ❤ Revelation upon Revelation! Reading with new eyes and new wisdom. God is Good!
That is why we mortals can never comprehend God, being the mighty one, he can manifest himself to we mortals in many ways to show us his might. I had been also disturbed by this verse and thought how could God wrestle with a mear man, was prepared food and ate then he was called an Angel, I thought to myself it was impossible but now I perceive it, If God cannot reveal himself in any form as he pleases, the he isn't God and he does this for those with Faith to indeed he is God.
He revealed Himself as El Shaddai to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. but to Moses He said THE Divine Name (HASHEM is Hebrew for it) “I AM THAT I AM”. or YHWH
I'm a father of 5. Don't be afraid to send these things to your kids evan your teenage kids.They can understand it.
God bless you and your family 🔥✝️🕊🙏
Especially the teens
This is what i always say to the jews. If Jacob wrestled with just an angel. His name should be IsraMalakh. But he wrestled with God. That's why his name became Israel.
The problem is el and elohim DO NOT MEAN GOD. When are Christians going to understand this? it literally tells you in Hosea exactly what he fought with and it clearly calls this an angel, not God. And it calls this angel, elohim. How much clearer could you get that el does not mean God? It literally spells it out for you.
@@nothingbutthetruth613 seriously you know nothing. Genesis 1:1. Elohim created earth and heaven. So an angel created earth and heaven. Not God?? Please stop this.
@@menderkoure6442 So let's go through a little basic Hebrew. Every word in Hebrew has a root. The root of the word elohim is el. The word el does not mean God at all. There is NOTHING in this word that means God. El means strong or mighty. That's it. Look at Psalm 29:1 "sons of the mighty". It is simply conveying the idea of strength and power. Spiritual beings are called this because they have power beyond what we have. Yes, the majority of times this word is used, it is referring to God but not always and not even close. Look at Exodus 7:1 taking about Moses "I have made you elohim..." Is Moses god too? Look at Exodus 21 and 22. Elohim is referring to judges all throughout these chapters. And here you see clearly that elohim means an angel. The crazy part of this video is that most Christians bring up Jacob wrestling because they don't know Hosea and they believe the lies they are told. However, this guy actually quotes from there and quotes the very verse which tells you it is an angel. Just incredible that he could do this with a straight face. Then you have people that actually still fall for it. It literally says what this being was and it's not any God. What is he talking about? Just amazing!
@@menderkoure6442 So let's go through a little basic Hebrew. Every word in Hebrew has a root. The root of the word elohim is el. The word el does not mean God at all. There is NOTHING in this word that means God. El means strong or mighty. That's it. Look at Psalm 29:1 "sons of the mighty". It is simply conveying the idea of strength and power. Spiritual beings are called this because they have power beyond what we have. Yes, the majority of times this word is used, it is referring to God but not always and not even close. Look at Exodus 7:1 taking about Moses "I have made you elohim..." Is Moses god too? Look at Exodus 21 and 22. Elohim is referring to judges all throughout these chapters.
@@menderkoure6442 Here you see clearly that elohim means an angel. The crazy part of this video is that most Christians bring up Jacob wrestling because they don't know Hosea and they believe the lies they are told. However, this guy actually quotes from there and quotes the very verse which tells you it is an angel. Just incredible that he could do this with a straight face. Then you have people that actually still fall for it. It literally says what this being was and it's not any God. What is he talking about? Just amazing!
Glory to YHWH! Glory to the Father, Jesus Christ of Nazareth the Son & the Holy Spirit!✝️☦️✝️
May God bless you All who's believe in Lord Jesus Christ almighty God Amen always 🙌❤
God bless you and your loved ones!
Praises and Thanksgiving to The LORD GOD ALMIGHTY the LORD of Hosts the KING of GLORY in JESUS name Amen 👑 👑 👑
Jesus transfiguration in the New Testament is a display of his ability to transform from God to man.
I’ve seen the lord and lived🤦🏾♂️ the Bible is so clear cut, how do people not understand
@tgreg9542 Even despite the fact we can't see God (The Father )
In his loving kindnesses, He still revealed Himself through The Lord Jesus Christ.
"HE WHO SEES ME, HAD SEEN THE FATHER"
WOW!
"The Bible is so clear cut, how do people not understand", WOW, what a pompous and presumptuous question. 1st of all, the bible is translated into different languages, and the translation of certain words shown by Sam in many examples on this very channel have different meanings, hence the phrase "lost in translation". Second, everybody has different learning curves. I am so glad you have a full and complete understanding of the Bible, but many of us do not. Maybe you should create your own channel and enlighten us. I would check it out.🙂
@@jaynuckels STOP getting triggered by Truth... Bible is clear cut brother... And he asks How comes "people" don't understand??
1: he never counted himself out of the said quote "people!"
2: He never claimed He himself understood All of the Bible
3: He's but making the imperative that we are lagging behind by our own making, by not striving to know and to understand the Bible... Not That Bible on himself confusing...
Calm down and digest people's opinions before rhetorics
@@dominicomeh7219 Wow, you really read alot into his little sentence. He did say the bible, correct? Which means the whole bible is clear cut, correct? I guess he should have reworded by writing, that one specific phrase is so clear cut, not the bible. I dont know what you mean by triggered by the truth, that makes no sense to me. Im pretty sure your not my daddy, so telling me what to do really isnt going to work with me my brother.
He wrestled with Jesus.
Also the way i think of it since the Hebrew word for angel means messanger and this particular angel is called "the angel of Yahweh" it can be conflated to be "the message of Yahweh" which can also be rephrased as "the Word of Yahweh".
Thank you for explaining this complex topic.
I needed this today, providential spiritual meat for my walk in the faith 💪
Because he is one with GOD - that was Jesus / Yeshua - our only way to salvation, Amen !
Israel = one who overcomes with God.
Huh 👀 Israel is a Land, Israel is the changed name of Jacob, Israel are the 12 African tribes of Jacob which are a bloodline, a family, a race.
Another mind blowing before I go to sleep (time check 8:30pm Philippines time) I hope I dream this also just like Jacob. God bless Sam.. Thank you very much.
Jesus Christ is the answer brother, i love this Bible passage.
outstanding exegesis.... 👌👏🙏
Good bible study. Thank you lord for wisdom and understanding. You are worthy my GOD!!
I really needed this. Thank you.
When someone say that Jesus cant be man show him this. May the Lord be blessed.
It literally says this was NOT God and it is an angel. It says it black and white in Hosea that it is an angel. What in the world is this video showing except how what they have taught you is a lie? He's trying to prove something from the very verse that disproves it. Amazing!
@@nothingbutthetruth613 Then why would Jacob say "It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared” (Genesis 32:30, NIV)?. Hogan explains why it is Jesus, " . He also say's for you have striven with God and have prevailed? Catch that from minute 12
@@Dankioko Because it doesn't say that. You think he saw God's face? You think he fought with God and won? Does that really make any sense to you? The word is elohim and this does not mean God. It means power or might and could be referring to many different beings or people including judges, royalty, and angels. He fought with an angel and he prevailed and he saw the angel face to face. This is exactly what Hosea is telling you. He literally spells it out for you. It was an angel. Very simple!
Wow... Thank for your wisdom Sham❤❤❤
Only those who don't know structure and language of the old testament could say the angel is god...... the prophets were also speaking as God, were they god?..... obviously the angels spoke as God because they are messengers of God and quoting the word of God.
How does it make any sense that "God" cannot Prevail a man and "God" asked a man Permission to go?..... the Hebrew text doesn't Necessarily say "God" it says ELOHIM/El which doesn't always mean "God," the Definition of these words means "mighty" which could be angels, so jacob Is wrestledwith an angel, not with God.
Thank You Brother 🙏❤️
AMPC
And God said to Moses, I Am Who I Am and What I Am, and I Will Be What I Will Be; and He said, You shall say this to the Israelites: I Am has sent me to YOU
He’s called Lord of Hosts for a reason, his name changes but his Word is everlasting ❤️
As I read more and more bit by bit, it is being revealed. When I come across this video, you confirm what I just read. Confirming what I was understanding? Wow, thank you, Lord, for continuing to open my eye heart and hearing. In Jesus's name amén.
Thank you, Sam, for all that you do to teach the Lords work. God bless you always.
Only those who don't know structure and language of the old testament could say the angel is god...... the prophets were also speaking as God, were they god?..... obviously the angels spoke as God because they are messengers of God and quoting the word of God.
How does it make any sense that "God" cannot Prevail a man and "God" asked a man Permission to go?..... the Hebrew text doesn't Necessarily say "God" it says ELOHIM/El which doesn't always mean "God," the Definition of these words means "mighty" which could be angels, so jacob Is wrestledwith an angel, not with God.
@@nathankupczyk3125 exactly
God the Son begotten not made one with the Father through him all things were made.
Amen🙏 halleliyah, praise the LORD JESUS CHRIST & the FATHER GOD🙏!❤
Glory be to God in the highest for this revelation
SAM! I hope you read this, thank you for displaying Christ like characteristics, and teach lessons through Christ, it’s a heavy burden to deal with any religion as it may seem , but, people like myself are soldiers of christ! I am a trinitarian , and read my bible everyday!!! Your passion, as well as Jay, GodLogic, PC , and many others have made me tune in and learn more intellectual knowledge about Christ and our word. Thank you Sam!
Only those who don't know structure and language of the old testament could say the angel is god...... the prophets were also speaking as God, were they god?..... obviously the angels spoke as God because they are messengers of God and quoting the word of God.
How does it make any sense that "God" cannot Prevail a man and "God" asked a man Permission to go?..... the Hebrew text doesn't Necessarily say "God" it says ELOHIM/El which doesn't always mean "God," the Definition of these words means "mighty" which could be angels, so jacob Is wrestledwith an angel, not with God.
Thank you Sam for the wonderful session
You always explain perfectly bro. Thank you!
Only those who don't structure and language of the old testament could say the angel is god...... the prophets were also speaking as God, were they god?..... obviously the angels spoke as God because they are messengers of God and quoting the word of God.
How does it make any sense that "God" cannot Prevail a man and "God" asked a man Permission to go?..... the Hebrew text doesn't Necessarily say "God" it says ELOHIM/El which doesn't always mean "God," the Definition of these words means "mighty" which could be angels, so jacob Is wrestledwith an angel, not with God.
JEHOSHUA wrestled with Jacob❤❤❤
Its jumping off the page for Mr Shamoun. The grace of God is opening the way for him.
Glory to God & his Son Jesus
Hallelujah ! Beautiful revelation I am blessed with the word of God being taught in such an awesome way GBU Sam
Only those who don't Is structure and language of the old testament could say the angel is god...... the prophets were also speaking as God, were they god?..... obviously the angels spoke as God because they are messengers of God and quoting the word of God.
How does it make any sense that "God" cannot Prevail a man and "God" asked a man Permission to go?..... the Hebrew text doesn't Necessarily say "God" it says ELOHIM/El which doesn't always mean "God," the Definition of these words means "mighty" which could be angels, so jacob Is wrestledwith an angel, not with God.
Keep up the good work sir.
Awesome Awesome Awesome.
Sir I pray for more of God's grace and power, even as you continue in spreading the gospel of JESUS CHRIST THE LORD.
AMEN AND AMEN. ❤
Much Love from NIGERIA.
Yahweh Sabbaoth.
Hosea finished the explanation
The bible is supernaturally deep 😢
May The Holy Spirit guide continuously in Christ Jesus and The Father's Word.
The Right Hand of God...Jesus Christ
This was amazing it's absolutely amazing I need to watch this again my mind is really blown thank you Sam
Only those who don't know structure and language of the old testament could say the angel is god...... the prophets were also speaking as God, were they god?..... obviously the angels spoke as God because they are messengers of God and quoting the word of God.
How does it make any sense that "God" cannot Prevail a man and "God" asked a man Permission to go?..... the Hebrew text doesn't Necessarily say "God" it says ELOHIM/El which doesn't always mean "God," the Definition of these words means "mighty" which could be angels, so jacob Is wrestledwith an angel, not with God.
Your message is true, and I find you very funny (I mean well). Your enthusiasm is infectious. You come across as an Italian gentleman, character-wise, even though you are not Italian. I love that you are so educated about the quran and the Holy Bible. Thank you for spreading your messages.
If his Message is true, can you answer why the prophets were not god even though they spoke as God?....
How does it make any sense that "God" cannot Prevail a man and "God" asked a man Permission to go?..... the Hebrew text doesn't Necessarily say "God" it says ELOHIM/El which doesn't always mean "God," the Definition of these words means "mighty" which could be angels.
12:04 I don't think men(plural for man) was referring to God as a man but rather Laban and Esau(men) or maybe it also includes god as man and served as a final test for Jacob to fulfill the part where he has sufficiently striven with men for his name to be Israel. I cannot think it means all men, otherwise it would roughly translate as "all men" or "man".
Wow, blew my mind.
Only those who don't know structure and language of the old testament could say the angel is god...... the prophets were also speaking as God, were they god?..... obviously the angels spoke as God because they are messengers of God and quoting the word of God.
How does it make any sense that "God" cannot Prevail a man and "God" asked a man Permission to go?..... the Hebrew text doesn't Necessarily say "God" it says ELOHIM/El which doesn't always mean "God," the Definition of these words means "mighty" which could be angels, so jacob Is wrestledwith an angel, not with God.
Your message is incredibly important.. the philosophical approach is enjoyable.. boarders language and culture define a people.. your program discusses the culture I'm interested in.. keep up the good work..
Only those who don't know structure and language of the old testament could say the angel is god...... the prophets were also speaking as God, were they god?..... obviously the angels spoke as God because they are messengers of God and quoting the word of God.
How does it make any sense that "God" cannot Prevail a man and "God" asked a man Permission to go?..... the Hebrew text doesn't Necessarily say "God" it says ELOHIM/El which doesn't always mean "God," the Definition of these words means "mighty" which could be angels, so jacob Is wrestledwith an angel, not with God.
The Angel of the Lord. Is the Word of God. Our Lord Jesus Christ before he became a man. Its the only way to make since of the scriptures. Praise the Name of the Lord.
That Ace Ventura shirt is fire 🔥
I just did the study on the Angel of the Lord and it’s God incarnate. The pre incarnate Jesus. The God in whose image and likeness we are created
Only those who don't know structure and language of the old testament could say the angel is god...... the prophets were also speaking as God, were they god?..... obviously the angels spoke as God because they are messengers of God and quoting the word of God.
How does it make any sense that "God" cannot Prevail a man and "God" asked a man Permission to go?..... the Hebrew text doesn't Necessarily say "God" it says ELOHIM/El which doesn't always mean "God," the Definition of these words means "mighty" which could be angels, so jacob Is wrestledwith an angel, not with God.
The Angel of The Lord never rebuked those for worship of Him. There was always a distinction between angels and The Angel of The Lord. Just because He could have destroyed Jacob doesn't mean He wanted to. Like a father who wrestles thier kids and let's them win to build confidence.
@@JD-gw3fp how could you say it's like a father let his kids win when the Hebrew text explicitly says he COULD NOT prevail him? The simple meaning of "could not" means simple like that he COULD NOT prevail! Beside this, if it was like a father who let his kids win why did Damage the Socket of Jacob's hip?? Is this what a father does??.... was jacob like a small kid who was looking for some "Confidence" to show up that he's a "Strong guy"?....
@nathankupczyk3125 Do you always read the text plain? Was that my opinion in the form of an analogy? Yes. But regardless a regular angel could have destroyed Jacob. God, could have destroyed Jacob, but did not? Why wrestle? Is there something deeper to the text? This was not a mere angel, and even Jacob said it was God. You saying Elohim does not defeat my argument. What is the context of this verse is the question you should ask yourself. Elohim can mean one thing and then mean something different somewhere else. This was Christ preincarnet that embodied a man to wrestle with Jacob.
Also the disjoint was probably a reminder of that day. Jacob is Israel, and Israel wrestled with God throughout thier rise and falls.
@@nathankupczyk3125 Replied
"previously the name of the city had been Luz." Interestingly, "Luz" means "light" in Spanish. How does a Spanish word appear in reference to a city in Israel dating back to 1652-1505 BC?
"Luz" in the Bible means almonds (H3868), also separation or turn aside, and departure (H3869) (Hebrew). As almonds, they were abundant there in Bethel during those times. And almonds talk about God being "watchful" of His word to be performed hastily.
As "separation" and "departure" prophetically means Jacob is going to separate ways with his brother Esau and to depart from being just a "Jacob" (in hot pursuit of God, "stalker") to become an "overcomer" (Israel, one who rules with God and with men).
It’s a coincidence. Luz is not “light” in Hebrew.
Seed not seeds, Jesus is the seed.
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Amen brother!! God is no respecter of persons!
Galatians 3:16
"Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ."
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@@JTHill-ed7qe Bless you in Jesus Christ mighty name
A different approach to the text could come considering these facts/points:
1. it starts for the context at Genesis 31:53: God of Nahor (Who is that?). see also Joshua 24:2
2. Rachel still has the teraphim (idols from other religions) with her
3. How can Jacob defeat the almighty God? (verse 29)
4. Why does Jacob want to be blessed by the loser? (verse 27) - Hebrews 7:7 states that the lesser is to be blessed by the better (the weaker by the stronger)
5. Why must the loser get away in the morning? (verse 27)
6. The story is told in a somewhat expanded form in Hosea 12:4-7, where the fighter is referred to as an angel [Malak]. Malak can also simply mean messenger or envoy, as in the same chapter Genesis 32:4.
7. a man [ish] fights. This can also simply be someone beyond the human realm (see, for example, Joshua 5:13, 14). God [elohim] is translated by some Jews and rabbis here and in Hosea as deity, which is permissible. Elohim of other nations, for example, are called gods (as already mentioned in Joshua 24:2 above, also here: Deuteronomy 10:17; Psalm 95:3; Psalm 86:8; Psalm 97:9 etc). Our God [Yahweh] fights against the gods of Egypt and executes a judgment on them (Exodus 12:12). It is in this context that the Elohim appear in the NT, for example in Paul's passage “rulers, authorities, world rulers, spirits of wickedness” (Ephesians 6:12). It appears in many texts that different areas/peoples had their own “Elohim”.
8. The sequence of events could be under these circumstances (especially with Hosea 12:4-7) like the following: The Elohim of Edom wants to prevent Jacob from reconciling with his brother, but cannot defeat him until dawn. He fought with the angel (Hosea 12) and was superior. Jacob wept and begged God [Yahweh] for mercy [help]. Our God helps him and gives him strength (that would be according to Genesis 28 again). The foreign Elohim can just dislocates his hip, but Jacob prevents him from leaving. God decides this battle and Jacob is allowed to enter the land.
9. Blessing [barak] in verse 27 can also mean praising someone. So the foreign Elohim had to admit here that he had lost. Blessing is from the higher to the lower. From lower to higher (as here) one should rather translate praise. You can then translate like this: I will not let you go unless you have praised me!
10. The almighty Yahweh-Elohim [our God] has “no idea” of a change of name. Genesis 35:10: “Your name is Jacob”. The encounter with Jacob in Bethel is completely different from this mysterious battle.)
*halleluyah*
Peniel/Pineal. As within so too with out, God can be found through the Pineal. ❤
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Jacob wrestled with Jesus. Jesus is the God of the old Testament the entire time.
What a weak "god" is Jesus, he couldn't Prevail Jacob then he asked Permission from Jacob to leave.... I would suggest you to worship jacob Rather than jesus.....
@@nathankupczyk3125 we will see.
God bless you 🙏
Very good!!! Yet in the New Testament says no one has ever seen God face to face
Only those who don't know structure and language of the old testament could say the angel is god...... the prophets were also speaking as God, were they god?..... obviously the angels spoke as God because they are messengers of God and quoting the word of God.
How does it make any sense that "God" cannot Prevail a man and "God" asked a man Permission to go?..... the Hebrew text doesn't Necessarily say "God" it says ELOHIM/El which doesn't always mean "God," the Definition of these words means "mighty" which could be angels, so jacob Is wrestledwith an angel, not with God.
Actually the old testament says that. Exodus 33:20. This whole discussion is mute since it all contradicts this clear statement. You can not see God. Period. This negates any notion of Jesus being a divine being.
The Jews denied Christ in his fleshy body , do not deny Christ in his angelic form.
1 Thess 4:16
The lord is the ARCHANGLE (Commander and Chief)
Indeed, everything that you said, it's TRUE, brother! May YEHOVAH Elohim, bless you! May YESHUA , the King Messiah, bless you! May the Holy Spirit of YESHUA MESSIAH bless you and fill you with even more Light from His Majesty!
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All praise
YAHOVAH who was who is & who will be, the God of gods & His Son Christ Yashua the King of kings.
Only those who don't know structure and language of the old testament could say the angel is god...... the prophets were also speaking as God, were they god?..... obviously the angels spoke as God because they are messengers of God and quoting the word of God.
How does it make any sense that "God" cannot Prevail a man and "God" asked a man Permission to go?..... the Hebrew text doesn't Necessarily say "God" it says ELOHIM/El which doesn't always mean "God," the Definition of these words means "mighty" which could be angels, so jacob Is wrestledwith an angel, not with God.
The Angel of the Lord is also the one that appeared to Moses in the burning bush, the one named I AM, as well Michael the archangel that fought the dragon before the Earth was created (Rev), the one mentioned 3 times by Daniel, the one that fought Satan for the body of Moses, and the one named Israel, who gives Jacob his name.
I wrestled Jacob. The angel of the Lord wrestled Jacob.
Steven wrestled Jacob. But we are friends and Jacob died but he is in heaven right now.
Fascinating!
Well, done, Sam
Only those who don't Is structure and language of the old testament could say the angel is god...... the prophets were also speaking as God, were they god?..... obviously the angels spoke as God because they are messengers of God and quoting the word of God.
How does it make any sense that "God" cannot Prevail a man and "God" asked a man Permission to go?..... the Hebrew text doesn't Necessarily say "God" it says ELOHIM/El which doesn't always mean "God," the Definition of these words means "mighty" which could be angels, so jacob Is wrestledwith an angel, not with God.
Yeah, Amen! 🎉❤
That is the most brilliant explanation of Jacob's wrestle I have ever heard. Interesting, those who follow Judaism call the angel Esau. As an agnostic,Sam really explains in detail.
How does it make any sense that "God" cannot Prevail a man and "God" asked a man Permission to go?..... the Hebrew text doesn't Necessarily say "God" it says ELOHIM/El which doesn't always mean "God," the Definition of these words means "mighty" which could be angels, so jacob Is wrestledwith an angel, not with God. Those who follow Judaism are saying this was the prince (guardian angel) of Esau.
@@nathankupczyk3125 Not sure what you are saying, do you see Esau in this description? Sam clearly interprets that God can manifest himself as an angel. . Take another example in Exod.23:20-22. Who is this angel? My name is within him. Obey him,for he will not forgive your transgressions. No other angel in the hebrew scriptures is spoken of this way. Read the bible for what it says and try to understand it and not for what others tell you it says.
@@baldeagle-cq2jl rabbinic Commentaries are not always based on the Description. However, you're free not to accept, that's not the point. Sam could "Clearly" interpret, but like I said the Hebrew text doesn't say God manifested as an angel. If I would accept that the angel wrestling With Jacob was god, it's also what others tell me it says, right?....
Regarding exudes 23, I'm just trying to understand. Obviously God forgive Transgressions, if the angel doesn't forgive transgressions how could he be God? According to Christianity that the angel is Jesus, how could this angel be Jesus? So Jesus doesn't forgive sin?...
Judaism calls the angel Esau?? Where do you get that from and what does that even mean?
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very good explanation
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The heel is about Genesis 3:15 the woman seed and Adams seed
The small selection about Jacob and God. Is incredibly dense with information. For instance. Genesis 32: 30 In naming the place Peniel. For having seen the face of God. Think about how important this is. Noah asked to see God and was shown his backside. Jacob saw his face. There is likely far more to this story than we realize.
I plan on buying the Bible and the verses and Psalms and other texts in book form.
Great idea! It's always good to have the printed books...in case the digital versions "disappear!"
@@ValerieGriner yeah the KJV version as well as the NIV versions
Wait a minute Sam I figured it out on my own. The pope is a transgender version of Mary. And I didnt even need the church fathers to figure that one out. No need to do a post about who the pope is Sam, I figured it out. God bless y'all.
Thank you
Something I was thinking about the other day. Perhaps God manifested himself as a man, as Jesus, because we mere mortals cannot fathom or stand to see him in his true glory as the Father. Maybe he needed to turn himself into a human so he could properly interact with and around us? I don't know, just a thought.
Or God never manifested himself as a man... nowhere in scripture does it say that. the Hebrew text doesn't Necessarily say "God" Is wrestled with Jacob, it says ELOHIM/El which doesn't always mean "God," the Definition of these words means "mighty" which could be angels, just another thought....
Artscroll is even more self incriminating “an angel of God”/God of Beth-el. It’s right in front of the Jews’ faces but they can’t see it, how?! the Truth is coming back aka the King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
I read this part in the bible, and it felt immediately different to the sections before and after. I have no idea what was happening.
Jacob must have been a strong son of a gun.
The gateway of God was there. Jesus said I am the door and only through Jesus is the way to life for He is the way. The gate Way. Jesus was there when Jacob anointed the pillar. I love the Lord Jesus. His word is my light
I got another one from this drop. You said Jacob used a stone and made his vow in the old testament l.. check how Jesus fulfills in the new and said I will build my church on this rock….. and the gates of hell shall not prevail💯💯💯💯
John 10:34-35 (KJV) Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
Power full teaching thankyou Sam God bless you
Satan is the god for Muslim PRAY TO POSITIVE GOD IS JESUS
Wow!
Only those who don't know structure and language of the old testament could say the angel is god...... the prophets were also speaking as God, were they god?..... obviously the angels spoke as God because they are messengers of God and quoting the word of God.
How does it make any sense that "God" cannot Prevail a man and "God" asked a man Permission to go?..... the Hebrew text doesn't Necessarily say "God" it says ELOHIM/El which doesn't always mean "God," the Definition of these words means "mighty" which could be angels, so jacob Is wrestledwith an angel, not with God.
This is why Allah can't come down and wrestle with Brock Lesnar
Lol
Amen
Is that pillar marker still around? Or was that where they built the temple?
probably it was Jesus wrestled with Jacob He wrestles with me a lot. calls me lady mud wrestler and He cracked my hip like Jacob and kept calling me Cracked up Jacob.
Jacob being a leg puller means he joked around with God and other people
He blesses me daily with benefits and new songs like this one
A song Jesus sang about Jacob and Esau from their momma
If it be so.
Why am i thus?
Why all this fighting
And all this fuss
My belly it moves
And wiggles about
Inside they struggle
wrestle and shout
Lord what is this?
All about?
Two nations
He said
You carry within
One will be stronger
The other thin
Wiry wrestler little fella
A special chosen one
The last shall be first
The older brother
He Will serve the
Younger
The younger
Will be called supplanter
Leg puller pranker
Esau called him a wanker
When deliverance came
Behold yes there were two
One was big, red, and hairy
After that came another
Boy too
Holding onto his heel
And so the boys grew
One was a hunter
The other tent dweller
One the Lord loved
And wrestled with him
Exodus 6/ 2- 3 god is it who tald Moses the story about the passt , nobody knows god ( only people with a spirit from him ) thats why he Control which Person with what a kind of a spirit and when they time will come so that these Person will be born here in these world but of course if you have stollen the blessing from you own brother sure Love or not he is god came in the Image of a man kicked the shit behavior out of Jakob , and have no Problem to tell moses about these fight versus a blessin thef .
4:35 Heaven is referring to the skies beyond our sky. Not an extra spiritual dimension. Jesus ascended to heaven. Ascended mean he went up! He did not vanish into another dimension invisible to us. The vocabulary is very specific. If ancient believers thought the skies were up, why should we believe it’s in another dimension, even a spiritual one? They didn’t have the concept of interstellar space… but it doesn’t change what heaven meant for them, it’s not metaphorical language when they said heaven is beyond our sky. It’s very locative language.
To people thinking the subject of heaven’s nature is not important, here is a thinking experiment. Imagine tomorrow Christ appears coming out of heaven and he comes from another realm appearing like a portal formed so he’s coming into our physical reality out from a spiritual one, like out of a stargate (cf. the show Stargate) . Would you accept this figure as Christ or will you check your Bible and see that Christ is supposed to come from the sky, descending on earth, coming from outer space since he should come back just as he went ( cf. Acts 1) and he did not vanish into the air. Some will argue, it’s the same if he appears out from a kind of spiritual portal in the sky… The two scenarios might happen and one might be treated as an alien invasion, so there will be a war in the sky between two Christs that appeared differently and one will be the real Jesus and the other, Satan in disguise.
Isra-EL
WOW!!!
Only those who don't know structure and language of the old testament could say the angel is god...... the prophets were also speaking as God, were they god?..... obviously the angels spoke as God because they are messengers of God and quoting the word of God.
How does it make any sense that "God" cannot Prevail a man and "God" asked a man Permission to go?..... the Hebrew text doesn't Necessarily say "God" it says ELOHIM/El which doesn't always mean "God," the Definition of these words means "mighty" which could be angels, so jacob Is wrestledwith an angel, not with Go
I was always amazed at how James wrestled with God and how James grabbed the heal of his brother.
All so-called Angela are The Creator manifest8ng Himself.
There are PORTALS all over Earth where Angels/Demon ascend and desend!!! 🌎🧚😈...many NDEs, Skinwalker Ranch, Jacobs Ladder confirm as much!!!
Where is the evidence for all this? Have you personally seen any of this? How can there be 8 billion people on this planet and it's not a worldwide accepted fact?
did he wrestled with God or he wrestled with his old self (represents his baggage and fears) ? ..... over coming it made him a new person and earned him a new name