It doesn’t matter whether someone has bought 40 year’s worth of vans, or 1 van. The customer service should be the same. Unbelievable let down from ford. Ditch the brand for good.
I mean, their engineering and packaging are terrible. On a 20 plate focus, their ecu is placed behind the front wheel arch. So when you tab your front bumper in the corner, it bends the and destroys the mounting for the ecus, causing the car to be written off.
100% agree this also goes for a few other makes such as B.M.W. in my humble opinion PROFIT PROFIT PROFIT AND SOD ALL ELSE !! GOOD LUCK YOU GREEDY BAS....TARDS
The Transit went downhill after the manufacturing was moved from Southampton to Turkey. I drove Transits in my work and the difference between the 2004 Transit and the 2007 Transit was disgraceful. The engine in the 2007 model was wholy inadequate for the size of the vehicle and not very reliable.
Honda's small generators EU2200 et al use a rubber belt running in the sump oil... and these Hondas do thousands of hours...without a problem. Perhaps Ford needs to talk to Honda and buy belts from Honda's belt supplier????
@@JohnSmith-pl2bktheres a big difference between a generator engine running at a constant rpm to an motor vehicle engine being put under load. Being at a constant rpm powering building site things it might be suitable (I dont think they are) with a wet belt system, being taken up and down the rev range constantly under all different sort of loads its completely unsuitable!
@@JohnSmith-pl2bkWell Honda designed the civic 1.0 turbo fk6 badly as thats a wet belt and i was a honda tech and did a few engines from wet belt failure. At the training center the engine has been speculated that its a ford engine but its definitely not as its an alloy block and all the 1 litre eco boosts are iron block but it could possibly be a ford design they've bought.
Honda's small generators EU2200 et al use a rubber belt running in the sump oil... and these Hondas do thousands of hours...without a problem. Perhaps Ford needs to talk to Honda and buy belts from Honda's belt supplier????
They've lost their plot when they ditched their cars for trucks, SUV's, Crossovers and EV's, lol But even then they already lost their ot years ago before that, lol
I have a 17 year old Nissan Micra, serviced it correctly, have driven it 5 days a week, every week since 2009. It has never broken down, starts first time and is economical giving me 54mpg. I have done 180,000 miles and you know what; it has a timing CHAIN, good old fashioned metal chain. The poor old girl has a bit of Tin Worm round the front wheel arches but I love her to bits. You can stuff modern cars, I'll stick with my old banger thats worth £600.
I don't think I've ever had a major issue with a car that was older than me, had one modern car (ironically Ford) that only lasted a couple years and then I went back to old "junk" I've never had a something go wrong with my several 1980s Toyotas that I couldn't fix with $10 and a screwdriver set 😂
Should buy sprinters We have a fleet of them run hard, heavily loaded doing 70k a year some have 300k with 0 engines issues never had a engine light on any of them. More expensive initially but last way longer, dont see any supermarkers with transits? Wonder why. The service schedule is endless mileage it has axle oil changes every 200,000 miles do ford do this? No because they dont care or build them to last I hate whats happened to Ford in europe in the last few years, waiting for them to pull out soon. No fiesta, no focus soon, who are Ford now ? And people say Renaults and Citroens are bad, I think Fords are worse.
@@shatbad2960 They started rusting bad again from 2014 onwards. Clearly cut corners again. Theres a 2015 sprinter near me that has actual holes everywhere on the body (mainly the front) where the rust has eaten away at the metal. Terrible that a van that old is falling to bits like that. Seen many with similar rust too. The white paint seems to be the part of the issue. Maybe they're not laying it thick enough compared to other colours as they don't tend to rust as quickly from my observation.
It's not just the wet belts either. It's the DPF's EGR's, undersized engines with twin turbos, gearboxes made of cheese, Ad-blue nonsense, cheap pointless overcomplicated electronics, the dashboards constantly flashing up warning sensor lights. Even in the manufacturers service centres they only have a few mechanics capable of fault finding and working on these pile of junk.
1999 sprinter possibly 500,000 plus miles as 1st speedo clock wore out. Think I changed an alternator 3 years ago.bought £80 worth bits for last mot. No flashing lights or buzzers unless I leave headlights on. I am dreading what modern piece of crap I will have to replace it with when it eventually dissolves.
I have never owned a car less than six years old. I buy *after* the bulk of depreciation. Even so, I do not expect mechanical failures which amount to a write-off.
@@TheRealWindlePoons These newer vehicles with all the electronics are rubbish. They just don't last like they used to. I've driven so many slope front and smiley face Transits with close to 300k miles, and they were all going strong. The new ones don't have a chance of getting close to that mileage. You're much better off buying an older vehicle these days, preferably pre 2009. Anything newer isn't worth having.
By Design. In Built Obsolescence. Keeping the Factory's open. Wall Street. Blackrock. Vanguard. Wolves on Wall Street. Banksters. Scamming the public, for repeated multiple profits.
Paying £8000 , for a new engine is criminal as she says for a van that’s worth less the new engine itself , I’d try Iveco ? Or that new van made by MAN (looks like VW)
You've had a good experience with the 2.2, a lot of people still had problems with those engines. The 2.4 in the mk6's were probably one of the last decent engines they made.
@@jamespicking1140 the mk7 2.4 was pretty good, I’ve had three 2.4s mk7 and got 285,000 +out of all 3 with no major issues, I’ve never really had any issues with every model and have done huge mileage on all of them
Ive got a mk7 2.2 been a gd waggon , a 66 plate 2.2 are now more expensive than a 2020 transit here inside the ulez as there still compliant, im after one myself in a tipper but there selling instantly if there low mileage
european made Fords were kind of fine...if you forgive them putting a mustang headgasket in the 2016 focus rs both engine have different cooling ducts "oopsies"
ALL wet belt engines are rubbish and ALL the manufactures should repair/replace the engines... the wet belt design is rubbish and the manufacturers should do something NOW
Honda's small generators EU2200 et al use a rubber belt running in the sump oil... and these Hondas do thousands of hours...without a problem. Perhaps Ford needs to talk to Honda and buy belts from Honda's belt supplier????
I only found out about wet belts when I was researching a Ford Ecosport on Y/T, looked up my present car, a 2014Citroen C3 Selection 1.2 and found it also has a wet belt, never had a problem with it and had it replaced at just over 10 years, hopefully good for another 10 years
@@macraghnaill3553 What oil change schedule did you run? Was the oil and filter done at a Citroen dealers? When it came time to do the belts...did Citroen suggest it or did you have to tell them? What did the belt replacement cost? Did they do both wet belts oil pump drive belt as well?
@@JohnSmith-pl2bk I have my car serviced every year at my local "Citroen Specialist" garage, as my car was 10 years old I asked to change the belt, cost £515 they only changed the timing belt
@@JohnSmith-pl2bk Honda's 1 litre petrol from the civic had a wet belt. I gave the keys back. 1000 hours is only about 28,000 miles or less round town.
Honda's small generators EU2200 et al use a rubber belt running in the sump oil... and these Hondas do thousands of hours...without a problem. Perhaps Ford needs to talk to Honda and buy belts from Honda's belt supplier????
@@JohnSmith-pl2bk "Honda's small generators EU2200 et al use a rubber belt running in the sump oil" And they also crack & fail, plus generators tend to have oil changes every hundred hours or so and when the belt fail, as the engine is a non-interference design it normally doesn’t damage anything … In a car or van you are more likely to do over 300-400 hours between oil changes, also modern diesels often have oil fuel dilution due to failed/incomplete passive DPF regenerations. The Diesel in the oil degrades the belts even faster than the oil!!
Just sold my 18 plate transit after you made me aware of the issues with the belts contacted ford dealer to get a price for changing my wetbelt for prevention they never even got back to me found it very difficult to find any independent garages to even do the job crazy. On the upside get my new VW Crafter tomorrow Thanks for making me aware of this issue keep up the good work.
If it’s new it’ll have the later Euro6 engine. VW like JLR has been messing around with oil pressure to comply with Euro6. Both of them are suffering engine failures due to this. 😩
People may buy the vans without being aware of the faults. Maybe crowd funding large billboards outside the dealerships warning the public to avoid purchasing products from the dealerships would affect sales significantly enough for Ford to react fairly. Also a flyer to all fleet managers. Class action law suit is an excellent idea. Being realistic it would be for the principle of punishment rather than adequate compensation. The outcome in our legal system is usually like the post office scandal, most money goes to the lawyers and the process might take decades rather than years. Forget not buying wet belt engines, just don't buy Ford's, why buy anything from a company that treats it's customers that way.
I have customer with a Vauxhaul corsa fitted with wet belt, and she's had a nightmare. Rubber particles, blocked oil filters. Constantly been chasing for a fix. 😢😢
It's destroying the used van market too and taking a lot of self employed and small businesses down with them. Buying anything after 2014 is like picking up a grenade with a matchstick as a pin. There's a reason that despite all the clean air zones, half decent pre 2011 euro 4 van are holding their high price.
The recall they change timing from belt to chain HOWEVER the oil pump is still a wet belt which will STILL degrade and clog oil filter and break engine.
@@DaleSteelNope, no chain conversion for the wet belts, I’m running such a van, 2.0l eco blue 130ps & I love it, concerned about the wet belt issue like everyone else. But on a positive note, it drives like a dream. Very sure footed, exceptionally nimble & very precise. Stops on a 6 pence. I drive very gently, 42 mpg overall in 44k miles, had a wheel bearing go at 32k (expensive job) & the steering pump go at 42k = this should not happen. If it doesn’t go before, I’ll get the wet belt changed at 60k
@@Key-Wound I only know bits about the 1.0L version as we sell alot of fiestas but stay away from the 1.0L it's a shame because we once had a fleet of them in 2010 and they were fantastic little engines. Back then they were new so the problems were unknown lol. My understanding is... if you use the correct oil prescribed by Ford and belt then they can be okay and I have seen well serviced versions on big miles so maybe their is so e truth
@@DaleSteel the newest version of the 2.0L EcoBlue diesel still uses the same wet belt. There has been no update to a chain. The 1.0L and 1.5L EcoBoost petrols have chains now since 2019, but still a wet belt for the oil pump drive.
I am a retired machanic the problem here is that if the servicing is not done by them they use this as a out Even though they say you can have a independent garage to do the servicing As long as you use there parts these belts are useless but still carry on using them its a total disgrace
Just also would like to say cars built these days are only built to last 3 to 5 yrs that's the warranty period once that's up its then your problem to fix it at your cost so when it comes to spending large amounts of money the then becomes scrap so this then keeps the motor industry going and they talk about waste and pollution it takes a lot of pollution to make thee cars in the irst place so stick if you can to older cars
"I am a retired machanic the problem here is that if the servicing is not done by them they use this as a out" A bit like Kia's 7 year anti-corrosion warranty. You have to pay for an annual inspection at a Kia dealer AND have any rust they find repaired at your cost. No more Kias for me - VW/Audi/Skoda cars will usually go 7 years without rusting anyway.
I’ve heard Ford are even dodging it even if their own dealers have serviced the vehicles. If the oil type isn’t on the service record then it’s not covered.
@@robertwest5999 manufacturing pollution! funny how they gloss over this. electronic manufacturing is incredibly toxic (worked in the industry for two decades) and vehicles are increasingly becoming electronic... Combustion engines are the problem?! Don't make me laugh.
Honda's small generators EU2200 et al use a rubber belt running in the sump oil... and these Hondas do thousands of hours...without a problem. Perhaps Ford needs to talk to Honda and buy belts from Honda's belt supplier????
I am a retired engineer and spent much of my career building custom machines. Two phrases which make the board of directors nervous are "law suit" and "smouldering ruin". Of course, one may lead to the other...
@@JohnSmith-pl2bk "Honda's small generators EU2200 et al use a rubber belt running in the sump oil" And they also crack & fail, plus generators tend to have oil changes every hundred hours or so and when the belt fail, as the engine is a non-interference design it normally doesn’t damage anything … In a car or van you are more likely to do over 300-400 hours between oil changes, also modern diesels often have oil fuel dilution due to failed/incomplete passive DPF regenerations. The Diesel in the oil degrades the belts even faster than the oil!!
When I was in the market for a van, I checked the internet to find-out how reliable my chosen Ford van was, and I had the shock of my life reading about the mess and all the problems involved with Ford engines with their now "FAMOUS" wet cambelt. So NO FORD FOR ME, and I do feel terribly sorry for the poor people that thought that they could not go wrong with a FORD, BIG AND VERY COSTLY MISTAKE !
Belts under no circumstances should be failing like this. They should last for a good 100,000 miles plus. Ford, like JLR, have completely lost control and it appears to have correlated with this EV nonsense.
I know internally that JLR is a mess as one of my relatives works there currently. Apparently its pretty much run like the civil service with plenty of woke meetings, more managers than hot dinners and those managers are always trying to get top brownie points by making themselves sound good but don't follow up there idea's they thought of.
Which Einstein thought it was a good idea to run a belt made of rubber, leather or whatever under tension inside an engine in red hot oil. Then which Einstein passed it off as good to manufacture the wet belt engine. In one word, insane.
Honda's small generators EU2200 et al use a rubber belt running in the sump oil... and these Hondas do thousands of hours...without a problem. Perhaps Ford needs to talk to Honda and buy belts from Honda's belt supplier????
@@JohnSmith-pl2bk a generator will be running at mostly a single speed. I think the factor of the car wet belt engines is due to the varied speed and as you correctly stated the belts being used aren't suitable.
@@JohnSmith-pl2bk same copy-paste response to multiple comments on here. There are many many people with this issue. Maybe say your retort to those people too?
@@stinker1000000 Unlike you and I many people do not read all the comments... so they regard their comment as the be all and end all. So for the same comment from many different commenters I post the same reply for their individual benefit...
You don't get even that much MPG is like 0.5 tops. Also makes the engine slightly quiter too until it starts to fuck up that is. I'll be sticking with my chain driven Toyota engine.
I have been noticing increasing issues with Ford having all kinds of problem. with blown up engines and transmissions, and electrical shorts causing fires. brake failures and many other issues. and people have been going to other manufacturers. especially people that have fleets. it won't be long and Ford will be out of business. actually they should out of business already. Ford is done.
Not only Ford, there's a tool you put down through the oil filler cap to check the width of the wet belt in Citreon, Peugeot, Vauxhall engines. If swollen too wide needs changing, stupid design mixing oil and rubber.🤔🙄🇬🇧
Totally agree Geoff. Engines should be bullet proof these days but many manufacturers seem to produce fragile engines which give up prematurely. All the talk of lifetime warranty for main components is a joke, when "lifetime" really means it runs out between 50k - 100k miles.
I was thinking of getting a transit but the wet belt puts me off. I had one at my previous job and I loved it but now with all the wet belt stuff I couldn’t risk it. It’s good to hear the lady is changing brand
Thank you Geoff for highlighting how poor Ford's Customer Service is and how poor these wet belt engines are. You've absolutely summed it up in your closing statement. People... Don't buy Ford and don't buy any vehicle with a wet belt engine. Simples really.
It’s life in the UK these days, weak consumer law, deregulation, overpriced crap everywhere you look. This lady is finding out the hard way what is behind all the promises while they take your money. Change is well overdue.
" had a Ford in 1971" Wow. A Ford in their most rusty period. My father-in-law always had Fords but I remember him taking a brand new Cortina back to the main dealer with a list of rust patches to be fixed. Hadn't even owned it long enough to put petrol in it. When they brought out the Sierra it was too wide to fit down his drive (between two buildings) so he switched to Volvo. Permanently.
@@macraghnaill3553 We had a Cortina. By the time it was 8 years old you could put it away with a yard brush. Just the paint holding the rust together. Ignition system devoured points so quickly that I kept a spare set in the glove box. As a result of that experience, we have had VWs, Volvos and Skodas. All relatively reliable and rust free.
Metaphor for modern life! More sophisticated but worse off! Companies (and politicians) are now so inward looking they fail to complete the task for their clients!!!!!
So glad I stumbled across your channel, I have a ford custom 2.0 TDCi 60,000 miles full history 2018, I still owe £6.400 if I were to buy it, I can’t hand it back know the wet belt has gone, I’ve subscribed to your great channel for future updates
I was doing cars in the late '60s, early '70s. Ford were the first company to do away with drain plugs on gearboxes and rear axles. Ford were the first company to do away with grease nipples. Ford were the first company to do away with replaceable headlight bulbs (sealed beam headlights), light lenses (you had to buy the whole light) and carburetter parts (you had to buy a new carburettor, because they were badly designed). Anyone who buys a Ford needs to know they are disposable 5 year life vehicles then throw them away.
I own a 2016, Ford Connect, I have clocked up 170.000 km. I have no idea if it has a wet belt, but I intend to find out. I will definately think twice before buying another Ford Van. Thank you guys.
I take it to Ford for servicing. It is actually a 2017. 1499CC. TDC1 100CV. The last service was 160.000 KM. I need to check on the timing chain/belt. Thanks for your info.
We have a Ford Ranger in Australia. It kept having failed door latch mechanism where a tiny plastic peice inside keeps a spiral spring wound up. The doors would be unable to be close and I would have to rope the door closed and unplug the battery as the car constantly thought the door was open. Food denied any issue despite keeping plenty in stock and there being a online seconds spares market for them. So each one was $400 every time they failed eventually working through each door. On the 4th one Ford told me there was a recall and I had to wait 3 weeks to get the car in. My wife instructed them to give us a replacement car until repaired due to the car being unroadworthy in which they did. 4 hrs later the car was repaired with all door latches replaced.
Even though Ford are fixing one of the van's the problem's with that van will be far from over because of the length of time it's been parked up, it will probably need new brakes and tyres as well as the new engine..
We had a customer that had a 17 plate transit tipper with 33k miles on it, It was 3 months out of warranty and serviced by the dealer. The belt slipped due to the timing belt loosing its teeth but it didn't snap. The first signs are the vacum pump fails giving no brakes
It takes a concerted effort to turn it around to be in the current situation. About 20 years ago, we were headed toward an automobile industry where it was becoming difficult to buy a bad vehicle. Even my 2001 Kia Rio Cinco lasted me 10 years and still going strong before I got tired of it. My 2015 Transit Connect has a couple of odd things that made me wonder about Ford. (Wasn't "Quality Job 1" at Ford?) Seems to be an industry-wide problem now.
Hi Geoff, I’ve got an old 2007 Citroen berlingo with 170 000 miles. It’s a 1.6 Hdi DV6 engine and it’s still going strong!!! 17 years later… PSA group Citroen and Peugeot I believe are having similar problems on their new engines… they have replaced the wet belt with a chain but I believe it’s made out of thin material and are snapping way before they should… I do know PSA group have recalled some of the vehicles back… For your interest
think there is a recall in the US for this, but only because when they fail and the engine cuts out you loose brake vacuum (i think), but as its a safety issue the recall\class action only is for ford america. - just something to look into.
The Transit went downhill after the manufacturing was moved from Southampton to Turkey. I drove Transits in my work and the difference between the 2004 Transit and the 2007 Transit was disgraceful. The engine in the 2007 model was wholy inadequate for the size of the vehicle and not very reliable
Scotty Kimler recently did a video on wet belts and even he said it was the most stupid idea and a scandal, internally, engines always require metal chains not rubber belts, that's the last application you'd use for internal use. Rubber belts are solely for exterior application for the obvious reason, engine oil destroys rubber belts regardless of their robustness, rubber seals are a different matter all together as they work totally differently in terms of friction, lubrication etc, they're seals that counter friction differently to something that is put under the mechanical stresses cams go through etc. Outside it's called a cambelt, inside it's called a camchain. Ford has lost the plot totally, not the first time and won't be the last, they always seem to get away with all their corporate bs... I'll never have another Ford, learnt my lesson from the mk2 Mondeo, Ford, never again.
Part of the issue is the sheer number of vehicles will always have a larger number of problems Bottom line though is the service life should be half what they have claimed due to how numbers work in business I did fleet for a number of years and the extended service intervals are just a joke to make the tax breaks and on the road costs look so much better to the lease companies
Great video Geoff what happened in the USA they brought a class action against Ford which they were going to loose so they gave in they need a big law firm to take the case on for everyone 👍
Never liked fords but had two great fiestas not the new ones which are crap. I wont ever have a ford again on the basis of the two videos Geoff and Polly the fleet manager has done. ❤ Thanks for the catch up Geoff quality.
So the adage Found on Roadside Dead is as appropriate as it ever was. I had a few mk3/4 escorts including a whitesocktastic XR3i with RS wheels, my first ‘fast’ car. The timing belt thing happens with other brands. We had a £500 bill for a replacement Cam belt on our Panda Twin air, which has a chain and not a belt. If my wife had collected the car she’d have paid the bill as she knows nothing about cars. I wonder how many people Vospers have caught out by doing that.
Hi on Screwfix community there are a lot of posts about wet belt falling. On one post they have said THERE IS A Ford Recall. But I have not been contacted and mine is a 71 plate I have done 50k in mine should I be looking at changing it now?
First I knew about this problem, I had a brake failure due to the vacuum pump disintegrating. Four months later, exact same problem. Took it back to the ford dealer where i purchased it from new and they told me it needs a new engine( transit 2018,2.0 74,000 miles). They have offered a 32% contribution that would still require me to fork out over £5,000. Full ford service history and they tell me they wont budge on the 32%
I have a 21 Plate Vauxhall Mokka (new shape). Its just had its 3 year service and the timing belt is swollen and needs to be replaced. The car has only done 31k miles. Of course this is a wet belt and unfortunately i didnt know about these issues when i purchased the car. Luckily its still under warranty.
i remember when doing belts it stated that if new belt was or got contaminated by oil dispose of it and go buy a new one irrespective if that one was new.... wet belt? worst idea ever.
PSA, Ford and to a lesser extent Honda are running wet belts in most of their modern engines with the same result. Commercial wise beware that the new VW Transporter is in fact a transit with VW badges, so will also have a wet belt engine.
Wouldn’t say “most” of their modern engines. Ford has them in a lot of engines, sure. But PSA has moved back to a chain, and Honda only ever made one car engine with a wet belt which was discontinued years ago.
@@YZJB so has Ford, but left the oil pump to run on a wet belt, same potential for fod in the oil pump inlet. The Honda 1.0 turbo in the civic is a wet belt, also subject to similar failures, it's an awful idea
Ford have totally blown it. Also, been a lot of coverage in Car Mechanic magazine here in the UK on the wet belt issues (across various makers). Funny now that when looking for a used car many people want to know whether the engine is chain, belt or wet belt. Those makers who went down this route have totally lost it, and will never get their customers back.
If a vehicle has a mileage at when an item should be replaced and the manufacturer then lowers the mileage the vans bought before they change of mileage should be honoured if the component fails before the previous mileage has being reached. The manufacturer/dealers should write to all owners of the vehicle if they change the conditions at when a component of a vehicle should be changed. If the vehicle has done more miles than that stated for the component to be changed they should have it in to change the component ASAP. If the component that's replaced then fails before the suggested mileage then the repair should be done free of charge. Manufacturers get out of things too easily by saying the person used the wrong oil or fluid or other stuff so they won't do the repair for free.
We are going to see more of this with all ICE vehicle manufacturers because they have to keep up with the much more difficult and harder to meet Euro standards. Best to keep the older vehicles on the road
Government salt UK roads six months of the year. Sadly my car is rusting away fast. One night they salted our roads when the lowest overnight temperature was 8c.
Hi @@TABRO284 are you serious? They’re still salting the roads in the UK.? When it’s frozen and cold, they put gravel down on the roads to give traction and the stop people having problems. This also doesn’t cause any damage other than stone chips to the vehicles. Salt was banned years ago downunder
I understand her frustration, I had Ford vehicles for nearly 40 years and in the last 5 years they have given very poor customer service and I pulled all my vehicles from Ford and went to other suppliers
15 years of driving for a living ive only ever been in sprinters id never consider anything else we habe just got a few new transits at work riddled with issues at 30k miles
I’ve bought a few of these vans now. I just get the timing kits from Ford direct and it takes one of my mechanics all day to do one so the average price of doing the job is between £750-£900 depending on the year as the front timing covers vary between £150 +Vat if available. The old 2017 plates seem to be a little cheaper. It’s a bit off putting but most of our vans have done 90k to 120k from 2017-2019 plates. I’ve just purchased 3 more custom vans with 11k-13k-17k Only problem is there 2018 so do I do them or sell them as they are.
Keep going girl we need a good solicitor firm to take Ford on and I only got one van 19 plate 41k on clock had it checked by Ford and advised to change belt cost me £935 to change
does anyone know if Focus mk4 (2018-) 2.0 ecoblue is also affected? I have not heard about a single belt failure case, but arent they the same engine as in Transits?? My local Ford dealer (in Croatia) told me they had problems only with Transits owned by a foreign construction company, but not Focus (though Focus 2.0 are rare here, so that might be the reason). I am asking because I just bought a 2.0 Focus (late 2019) with 107k miles which I believe is still on original belt (I have already booked it for belt replacement, but I am curious). Owners manual specifies required oil is 0W-30 that meets WSS-M2C950-A standard.
Although this isn't good it is awsome as a mechanic iv noticed the build quality of cars drop like a stone while prices going up and up until now the manufactures have been sitting in there ivory towers looking down as dealers and garages deal with the sh!te they produce and by deal with the sh!te I mean receive the abuse from p!ssed off customers because things are never right with there car and the blame ends up square at the garages door but this is what we need we need people to be knocking at the manufacturers doors with the pitch forks.
Don’t know if anyone has mentioned this previously, but there should be a record of the parts department supplying the workshop with the grade of oil. Maybe this would assist with proof of work carried out?😅
I have said this before at stalantis engines.. they also have a wet timingbelt setup.. rubber and oil dont mix.. if you want a lasting setup.. put a timingchain in it.. as a chain benefits from oil.. but they need to make a quality chain that doesnt stretch as quickly..
Lots of horror stories regarding transits, especially those with this stupid wet belt arrangement. I am on my 2nd transit in 8 years now and I've done over almost 300k between them. The 1st was the 2.2 and all I heard was the injectors will give up and the doors will fall off. The dpf failed once and that was it over its 153k life, great van. The one I'm in now has just turned 140k. Its the 2.0 with the wet belt and its never missed a beat. It gets serviced regularly, probably more than it should, and the belt was done at 90k.
Great vids , but we went to trade in our 17 plate Fiesta car ( 15,000 miles only ) and they didn't want it ! its like we are sitting on a time bombe , I just hope that Ford gives in and sorts something out
Its called built in obsolescence, they are made with a fault which will eventually make the vehicle a write off, the belt snapping will wreck the whole engine, i have heard of electrical products which will only last a number of years then will have to be thrown away due to component breakdown.
I got a Y Reg ford transit mk5 Welfare bus 15 seater its used on school contracts ive had it since 2015 its never had a problem wheelchair lift works its a Radcliffe Palfinger one the 2.5 Diesel runs well and sounds great its been on the road 23 years and passed all MOTs But these modern ones aint lasting 5 years like what the hell has happened
My everyday runabout is a 2009 ford fusion with an old fashioned 4 speed torque converter automatic transmission. Its done 100,000 miles and dosent let me down. No turbo or fancy technology. More modern cars would be more economical but theres far more to go wrong and that would be expensive to repair. My other car is 2003 Honda legend and that never goes wrong. I cant think of anything modern that I'd replace them with that would be as reliable so I'm going to hang on to them.
Up to 2006 I used to be a 'Ford Man' and spent hours fixing/repairing as they were cheap and simple....Switched to Japanese and have never used my breakdown cover since!....where I worked had nothing but issues with Ford, and they switched about 5 years ago to Toyota.
It’s not only ford Peugeot have a similar problem my sister and here husband up in Aberdeen have got rid of their Peugeot as it had this wet belt problem it hadn’t snapped yet but was starting to come apart and ended up getting a electric BYD.
The only place where rubber and oil coexist without problems is the adult movie industry. Allegedly.
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Not even there…. Oil and rubber no matter were do not mix!
@@fbboringstuff Water based lubricants. Exactly. Oil destroys rubber and latex items.
Internet winner of the day😂
And some of those adult pistons have done thousands of miles.
It doesn’t matter whether someone has bought 40 year’s worth of vans, or 1 van. The customer service should be the same. Unbelievable let down from ford. Ditch the brand for good.
I mean, their engineering and packaging are terrible. On a 20 plate focus, their ecu is placed behind the front wheel arch. So when you tab your front bumper in the corner, it bends the and destroys the mounting for the ecus, causing the car to be written off.
100% agree this also goes for a few other makes such as B.M.W. in my humble opinion PROFIT PROFIT PROFIT AND SOD ALL ELSE !! GOOD LUCK YOU GREEDY BAS....TARDS
I agree
Built in obsolescence and greed by Ford UK.
The Transit went downhill after the manufacturing was moved from Southampton to Turkey. I drove Transits in my work and the difference between the 2004 Transit and the 2007 Transit was disgraceful. The engine in the 2007 model was wholy inadequate for the size of the vehicle and not very reliable.
Twenty years ago I heard of these new wet belts and knew it would end in tears, a retired mechanic.
Honda's small generators EU2200 et al use a rubber belt running in the sump oil...
and these Hondas do thousands of hours...without a problem.
Perhaps Ford needs to talk to Honda and buy belts from Honda's belt supplier????
Shame Peugeot and Ford didn't foresee this as well
@@JohnSmith-pl2bktheres a big difference between a generator engine running at a constant rpm to an motor vehicle engine being put under load. Being at a constant rpm powering building site things it might be suitable (I dont think they are) with a wet belt system, being taken up and down the rev range constantly under all different sort of loads its completely unsuitable!
@@maybenot6075
Well let's se if Ford gets some belts from Honda's suppliers....
and runs them...
say in this company's vans????
@@JohnSmith-pl2bkWell Honda designed the civic 1.0 turbo fk6 badly as thats a wet belt and i was a honda tech and did a few engines from wet belt failure. At the training center the engine has been speculated that its a ford engine but its definitely not as its an alloy block and all the 1 litre eco boosts are iron block but it could possibly be a ford design they've bought.
Wet chain... yes...
Wet rubbery belt... no!
Sadly the plastic guides on some wet chain engines can also degrade in similar fashion although takes longer
Honda's small generators EU2200 et al use a rubber belt running in the sump oil...
and these Hondas do thousands of hours...without a problem.
Perhaps Ford needs to talk to Honda and buy belts from Honda's belt supplier????
The concept was foolish
How many more times are you going to post this irrelevant comment?
@JohnSmith-pl2bk
@@JohnSmith-pl2bkremember Honda is primarily an engine manufacturer, it just happens to make cars, bikes, jets and robots
FORD have lost the plot.....and it will loose customers
They've lost my girlfriend and I. Been ford drivers all along.
They've lost their plot when they ditched their cars for trucks, SUV's, Crossovers and EV's, lol
But even then they already lost their ot years ago before that, lol
No they won't !,the fanboys will still buy them.
Customer service is disgusting now. They just want your money & then wash their hands of people
I’d like to add JCB to that list
I have a 17 year old Nissan Micra, serviced it correctly, have driven it 5 days a week, every week since 2009. It has never broken down, starts first time and is economical giving me 54mpg. I have done 180,000 miles and you know what; it has a timing CHAIN, good old fashioned metal chain. The poor old girl has a bit of Tin Worm round the front wheel arches but I love her to bits. You can stuff modern cars, I'll stick with my old banger thats worth £600.
I don't think I've ever had a major issue with a car that was older than me, had one modern car (ironically Ford) that only lasted a couple years and then I went back to old "junk" I've never had a something go wrong with my several 1980s Toyotas that I couldn't fix with $10 and a screwdriver set 😂
Noticed the price drop in second hand ones.
I think no one will buy them now.
Alot of dealers are replacing the belts so people will buy them.
I worked for Ford Motor Company in the quality control department. I left after three years, never having found any.
Should buy sprinters
We have a fleet of them run hard, heavily loaded doing 70k a year some have 300k with 0 engines issues never had a engine light on any of them.
More expensive initially but last way longer, dont see any supermarkers with transits? Wonder why.
The service schedule is endless mileage it has axle oil changes every 200,000 miles do ford do this? No because they dont care or build them to last
I hate whats happened to Ford in europe in the last few years, waiting for them to pull out soon.
No fiesta, no focus soon, who are Ford now ? And people say Renaults and Citroens are bad, I think Fords are worse.
Sprinters were notoriously bad for rust for a long time lol
Rust buckets
@@Notyourtype8890 transit rust is legendary. I have seen six year old transits with structural rust issues.
The Vito and sprinters up to 05' or so rust, they then improved the metal treatment. My 2010 Vito is rust free.
@@shatbad2960 They started rusting bad again from 2014 onwards. Clearly cut corners again. Theres a 2015 sprinter near me that has actual holes everywhere on the body (mainly the front) where the rust has eaten away at the metal. Terrible that a van that old is falling to bits like that. Seen many with similar rust too. The white paint seems to be the part of the issue. Maybe they're not laying it thick enough compared to other colours as they don't tend to rust as quickly from my observation.
It's not just the wet belts either. It's the DPF's EGR's, undersized engines with twin turbos, gearboxes made of cheese, Ad-blue nonsense, cheap pointless overcomplicated electronics, the dashboards constantly flashing up warning sensor lights. Even in the manufacturers service centres they only have a few mechanics capable of fault finding and working on these pile of junk.
Pre 2015 is better, pre 2000 best!
2013 sprinter 70,000 miles third egr unit!
1999 sprinter possibly 500,000 plus miles as 1st speedo clock wore out. Think I changed an alternator 3 years ago.bought £80 worth bits for last mot. No flashing lights or buzzers unless I leave headlights on. I am dreading what modern piece of crap I will have to replace it with when it eventually dissolves.
@@ridbanner1407 Thats good to hear its still going but sounds like its rusting away to nothing?
@@Dave7heRave i give a mate about £300 every 2 years to plate bits. the plates are starting to join up now.
Scraping a 5 year old vehicle is insane. To me, a 5 year old van with 70k on the clock is a nearly new vehicle. This type of waste is criminal.
I have never owned a car less than six years old. I buy *after* the bulk of depreciation. Even so, I do not expect mechanical failures which amount to a write-off.
@@TheRealWindlePoons These newer vehicles with all the electronics are rubbish. They just don't last like they used to. I've driven so many slope front and smiley face Transits with close to 300k miles, and they were all going strong. The new ones don't have a chance of getting close to that mileage. You're much better off buying an older vehicle these days, preferably pre 2009. Anything newer isn't worth having.
By Design.
In Built Obsolescence.
Keeping the Factory's open.
Wall Street. Blackrock. Vanguard.
Wolves on Wall Street. Banksters. Scamming the public, for repeated multiple profits.
Paying £8000 , for a new engine is criminal as she says for a van that’s worth less the new engine itself , I’d try Iveco ? Or that new van made by MAN (looks like VW)
That's still a £20k van at present
My mk8 transit jumbo has done 330,000 miles now, it was the last of the 2.2 chain driven
You've had a good experience with the 2.2, a lot of people still had problems with those engines. The 2.4 in the mk6's were probably one of the last decent engines they made.
@@jamespicking1140 the mk7 2.4 was pretty good, I’ve had three 2.4s mk7 and got 285,000 +out of all 3 with no major issues, I’ve never really had any issues with every model and have done huge mileage on all of them
Ive got a mk7 2.2 been a gd waggon , a 66 plate 2.2 are now more expensive than a 2020 transit here inside the ulez as there still compliant, im after one myself in a tipper but there selling instantly if there low mileage
Answer is , do NOT buy any Ford products
european made Fords were kind of fine...if you forgive them putting a mustang headgasket in the 2016 focus rs both engine have different cooling ducts "oopsies"
I’ve bought my first Ford a Ranger last year - having said that it’s a 1978 one and runs like a dream. Very simple. ☺
It's not just Ford. Ask any dealer before buying.
Unfortunately, they are all building hot garbage these days. Buy something older and run it until parts become unavailable.
I've joined a USA Ford transit blog site and put out this podcast to spread the word... must be a worldwide problem?
Doubt youll find many Diesel transits in the US they seem to favour the 3.5 ecoboost V6 or the NA 3.5
Almost certain the 2.0L EcoBlue diesel isn’t sold in the USA
@@stumo8681Ford has wet belt engines in North America as well, the 5.0L Coyote for example
In the US ford uses 2l (petrol) wet belt engines. And they fail just like these diesel engines. And Ford's in trouble there too.
My Sprinter - 400,000 miles, engine never opened, uses no oil, no water, drives like new. Quality.
Mine too 99 3 litre turbo.on its second speedometer ! Apart from tin worm issues costs almost nothing to maintain .
Same 260,000 drives like new day we picked it up only 1 clutch and 1 alternator everything else original amazing
Unlike the crafter version. They're crapp!
ALL wet belt engines are rubbish and ALL the manufactures should repair/replace the engines... the wet belt design is rubbish and the manufacturers should do something NOW
Honda's small generators EU2200 et al use a rubber belt running in the sump oil...
and these Hondas do thousands of hours...without a problem.
Perhaps Ford needs to talk to Honda and buy belts from Honda's belt supplier????
I only found out about wet belts when I was researching a Ford Ecosport on Y/T, looked up my present car, a 2014Citroen C3 Selection 1.2 and found it also has a wet belt, never had a problem with it and had it replaced at just over 10 years, hopefully good for another 10 years
@@macraghnaill3553
What oil change schedule did you run?
Was the oil and filter done at a Citroen dealers?
When it came time to do the belts...did Citroen suggest it or did you have to tell them?
What did the belt replacement cost?
Did they do both wet belts oil pump drive belt as well?
@@JohnSmith-pl2bk I have my car serviced every year at my local "Citroen Specialist" garage, as my car was 10 years old I asked to change the belt, cost £515
they only changed the timing belt
@@JohnSmith-pl2bk Honda's 1 litre petrol from the civic had a wet belt. I gave the keys back.
1000 hours is only about 28,000 miles or less round town.
Wet belts, 🤦🏻♂️another example of if it ain’t busted don’t fix it
Just blew out a wet belt Puretech late plate car 2014 DS3 for 550. Garbage. Needed clutch and more
Honda's small generators EU2200 et al use a rubber belt running in the sump oil...
and these Hondas do thousands of hours...without a problem.
Perhaps Ford needs to talk to Honda and buy belts from Honda's belt supplier????
@@JohnSmith-pl2bk
"Honda's small generators EU2200 et al use a rubber belt running in the sump oil"
And they also crack & fail, plus generators tend to have oil changes every hundred hours or so and when the belt fail, as the engine is a non-interference design it normally doesn’t damage anything …
In a car or van you are more likely to do over 300-400 hours between oil changes, also modern diesels often have oil fuel dilution due to failed/incomplete passive DPF regenerations. The Diesel in the oil degrades the belts even faster than the oil!!
Just sold my 18 plate transit after you made me aware of the issues with the belts contacted ford dealer to get a price for changing my wetbelt for prevention they never even got back to me found it very difficult to find any independent garages to even do the job crazy. On the upside get my new VW Crafter tomorrow Thanks for making me aware of this issue keep up the good work.
2.0L Diesel Crafter? Has a wet-belt driven oil pump…
VW vans are shite, Crafter of old was a good work horse but I wouldn't have much faith in a new one
If it’s new it’ll have the later Euro6 engine. VW like JLR has been messing around with oil pressure to comply with Euro6. Both of them are suffering engine failures due to this. 😩
@@YZJBso do lots of Volkswagen engines and they never give bother
People may buy the vans without being aware of the faults.
Maybe crowd funding large billboards outside the dealerships warning the public to avoid purchasing products from the dealerships would affect sales significantly enough for Ford to react fairly. Also a flyer to all fleet managers.
Class action law suit is an excellent idea.
Being realistic it would be for the principle of punishment rather than adequate compensation. The outcome in our legal system is usually like the post office scandal, most money goes to the lawyers and the process might take decades rather than years.
Forget not buying wet belt engines, just don't buy Ford's, why buy anything from a company that treats it's customers that way.
Thanks for sharing this story i nearly bought a new ford van , after running ford vans for 20 years....
Never again
I have customer with a Vauxhaul corsa fitted with wet belt, and she's had a nightmare. Rubber particles, blocked oil filters. Constantly been chasing for a fix. 😢😢
It's destroying the used van market too and taking a lot of self employed and small businesses down with them. Buying anything after 2014 is like picking up a grenade with a matchstick as a pin. There's a reason that despite all the clean air zones, half decent pre 2011 euro 4 van are holding their high price.
Got a modern kangoo maxi, it's been an absolute diamond, nothing beyond consumables.
The recall they change timing from belt to chain HOWEVER the oil pump is still a wet belt which will STILL degrade and clog oil filter and break engine.
They do not replace the belt with a chain. They just replace the belts with new belts.
@@YZJB I'm talking about the updated engine I'm not sure about recall I explained that wrong so your probably right
@@DaleSteelNope, no chain conversion for the wet belts, I’m running such a van, 2.0l eco blue 130ps & I love it, concerned about the wet belt issue like everyone else. But on a positive note, it drives like a dream. Very sure footed, exceptionally nimble & very precise. Stops on a 6 pence.
I drive very gently, 42 mpg overall in 44k miles, had a wheel bearing go at 32k (expensive job) & the steering pump go at 42k = this should not happen. If it doesn’t go before, I’ll get the wet belt changed at 60k
@@Key-Wound I only know bits about the 1.0L version as we sell alot of fiestas but stay away from the 1.0L it's a shame because we once had a fleet of them in 2010 and they were fantastic little engines. Back then they were new so the problems were unknown lol. My understanding is... if you use the correct oil prescribed by Ford and belt then they can be okay and I have seen well serviced versions on big miles so maybe their is so e truth
@@DaleSteel the newest version of the 2.0L EcoBlue diesel still uses the same wet belt. There has been no update to a chain. The 1.0L and 1.5L EcoBoost petrols have chains now since 2019, but still a wet belt for the oil pump drive.
I am a retired machanic the problem here is that if the servicing is not done by them they use this as a out
Even though they say you can have a independent garage to do the servicing
As long as you use there parts these belts are useless but still carry on using them its a total disgrace
Just also would like to say cars built these days are only built to last 3 to 5 yrs that's the warranty period once that's up its then your problem to fix it at your cost so when it comes to spending large amounts of money the then becomes scrap so this then keeps the motor industry going and they talk about waste and pollution it takes a lot of pollution to make thee cars in the irst place so stick if you can to older cars
"I am a retired machanic the problem here is that if the servicing is not done by them they use this as a out"
A bit like Kia's 7 year anti-corrosion warranty. You have to pay for an annual inspection at a Kia dealer AND have any rust they find repaired at your cost. No more Kias for me - VW/Audi/Skoda cars will usually go 7 years without rusting anyway.
I’ve heard Ford are even dodging it even if their own dealers have serviced the vehicles. If the oil type isn’t on the service record then it’s not covered.
@@robertwest5999 manufacturing pollution! funny how they gloss over this. electronic manufacturing is incredibly toxic (worked in the industry for two decades) and vehicles are increasingly becoming electronic... Combustion engines are the problem?! Don't make me laugh.
Why would anyone think that a wet belt is a good idea??? What planet are they on??
wet belts need a class action....
Honda's small generators EU2200 et al use a rubber belt running in the sump oil...
and these Hondas do thousands of hours...without a problem.
Perhaps Ford needs to talk to Honda and buy belts from Honda's belt supplier????
I am a retired engineer and spent much of my career building custom machines. Two phrases which make the board of directors nervous are "law suit" and "smouldering ruin". Of course, one may lead to the other...
@@JohnSmith-pl2bk
"Honda's small generators EU2200 et al use a rubber belt running in the sump oil"
And they also crack & fail, plus generators tend to have oil changes every hundred hours or so and when the belt fail, as the engine is a non-interference design it normally doesn’t damage anything …
In a car or van you are more likely to do over 300-400 hours between oil changes, also modern diesels often have oil fuel dilution due to failed/incomplete passive DPF regenerations. The Diesel in the oil degrades the belts even faster than the oil!!
When I was in the market for a van, I checked the internet to find-out how reliable my chosen Ford van was, and I had the shock of my life reading about the mess and all the problems involved with Ford engines with their now "FAMOUS" wet cambelt.
So NO FORD FOR ME, and I do feel terribly sorry for the poor people that thought that they could not go wrong with a FORD, BIG AND VERY COSTLY MISTAKE !
Great video-keep em coming 👏. It's not rocket science that a rubber belt in oil won't last the same (and I'm 68 and female with no 'ology')!!!!!
Belts under no circumstances should be failing like this. They should last for a good 100,000 miles plus. Ford, like JLR, have completely lost control and it appears to have correlated with this EV nonsense.
I know internally that JLR is a mess as one of my relatives works there currently. Apparently its pretty much run like the civil service with plenty of woke meetings, more managers than hot dinners and those managers are always trying to get top brownie points by making themselves sound good but don't follow up there idea's they thought of.
@@bentullett6068 I've heard the same from my son who used to work in Jaguar's design studio. The firm is run by egomaniacs.
Which Einstein thought it was a good idea to run a belt made of rubber, leather or whatever under tension inside an engine in red hot oil. Then which Einstein passed it off as good to manufacture the wet belt engine. In one word, insane.
The one who has never had any practical mechanical knowledge and have only read about mechanical engineering in a book.
Honda's small generators EU2200 et al use a rubber belt running in the sump oil...
and these Hondas do thousands of hours...without a problem.
Perhaps Ford needs to talk to Honda and buy belts from Honda's belt supplier????
@@JohnSmith-pl2bk a generator will be running at mostly a single speed. I think the factor of the car wet belt engines is due to the varied speed and as you correctly stated the belts being used aren't suitable.
@@JohnSmith-pl2bk same copy-paste response to multiple comments on here. There are many many people with this issue. Maybe say your retort to those people too?
@@stinker1000000
Unlike you and I many people do not read all the comments...
so they regard their comment as the be all and end all.
So for the same comment from many different commenters I post the same reply for their individual benefit...
It seems the new VW T7 transporter (basically a rebadged ford transit) will also use the wet belt engine. Massive faux pas from VW.
Feel for this lady. Horrid effect. On business. Stress. All for a wet belt tech improving MPG 1-2
You don't get even that much MPG is like 0.5 tops. Also makes the engine slightly quiter too until it starts to fuck up that is. I'll be sticking with my chain driven Toyota engine.
I have been noticing increasing issues with Ford having all kinds of problem. with blown up engines and transmissions, and electrical shorts causing fires.
brake failures and many other issues. and people have been going to other manufacturers. especially people that have fleets. it won't be long and Ford will be out of business. actually they should out of business already. Ford is done.
Not only Ford, there's a tool you put down through the oil filler cap to check the width of the wet belt in Citreon, Peugeot, Vauxhall engines. If swollen too wide needs changing, stupid design mixing oil and rubber.🤔🙄🇬🇧
Totally agree Geoff. Engines should be bullet proof these days but many manufacturers seem to produce fragile engines which give up prematurely. All the talk of lifetime warranty for main components is a joke, when "lifetime" really means it runs out between 50k - 100k miles.
I was thinking of getting a transit but the wet belt puts me off. I had one at my previous job and I loved it but now with all the wet belt stuff I couldn’t risk it. It’s good to hear the lady is changing brand
Thank you Geoff for highlighting how poor Ford's Customer Service is and how poor these wet belt engines are. You've absolutely summed it up in your closing statement. People... Don't buy Ford and don't buy any vehicle with a wet belt engine. Simples really.
For sillies; I'm driving a Year 2000 Nissan Terrano II 2.7TDi running 24 ~ 31 MPH Diesel and have owned it for 21 of those years.
It’s life in the UK these days, weak consumer law, deregulation, overpriced crap everywhere you look. This lady is finding out the hard way what is behind all the promises while they take your money. Change is well overdue.
I had a Ford in 1971, I've had everything else since that, but never gone back to Fords.
I had one in 1988, Never had one since, I swapped it for a Lada Samara, one of the most reliable cars I have owned
" had a Ford in 1971"
Wow. A Ford in their most rusty period. My father-in-law always had Fords but I remember him taking a brand new Cortina back to the main dealer with a list of rust patches to be fixed. Hadn't even owned it long enough to put petrol in it. When they brought out the Sierra it was too wide to fit down his drive (between two buildings) so he switched to Volvo. Permanently.
@@macraghnaill3553 We had a Cortina. By the time it was 8 years old you could put it away with a yard brush. Just the paint holding the rust together. Ignition system devoured points so quickly that I kept a spare set in the glove box. As a result of that experience, we have had VWs, Volvos and Skodas. All relatively reliable and rust free.
@@TheRealWindlePoons I remember the days of cars going rusty in a few years.
@@macraghnaill3553 The floor of my Ford didn't rust, it was plywood. 😂🤣😂
Insurance is a scam! Mines doubled from 500 to 1000. It's a rip off, I have 40 years no claims. They are trying to force people off the road.
Metaphor for modern life! More sophisticated but worse off!
Companies (and politicians) are now so inward looking they fail to complete the task for their clients!!!!!
So glad I stumbled across your channel, I have a ford custom 2.0 TDCi 60,000 miles full history 2018, I still owe £6.400 if I were to buy it, I can’t hand it back know the wet belt has gone, I’ve subscribed to your great channel for future updates
I was doing cars in the late '60s, early '70s. Ford were the first company to do away with drain plugs on gearboxes and rear axles. Ford were the first company to do away with grease nipples. Ford were the first company to do away with replaceable headlight bulbs (sealed beam headlights), light lenses (you had to buy the whole light) and carburetter parts (you had to buy a new carburettor, because they were badly designed). Anyone who buys a Ford needs to know they are disposable 5 year life vehicles then throw them away.
I own a 2016, Ford Connect, I have clocked up 170.000 km. I have no idea if it has a wet belt, but I intend to find out. I will definately think twice before buying another Ford Van. Thank you guys.
if its 1.6 or 1.5 - it has not got one
Thanks for the info.
@@Al-Gor-Rhythm. it will be due for the drybelt was due before 160,000 km
I take it to Ford for servicing. It is actually a 2017. 1499CC. TDC1 100CV. The last service was 160.000 KM. I need to check on the timing chain/belt. Thanks for your info.
Get that drybelt changed ASAP mate. They go about 110k miles
I worked for a fire service, who used transits, all the later ones had untold problems.
We have a Ford Ranger in Australia. It kept having failed door latch mechanism where a tiny plastic peice inside keeps a spiral spring wound up. The doors would be unable to be close and I would have to rope the door closed and unplug the battery as the car constantly thought the door was open.
Food denied any issue despite keeping plenty in stock and there being a online seconds spares market for them.
So each one was $400 every time they failed eventually working through each door.
On the 4th one Ford told me there was a recall and I had to wait 3 weeks to get the car in. My wife instructed them to give us a replacement car until repaired due to the car being unroadworthy in which they did. 4 hrs later the car was repaired with all door latches replaced.
Even though Ford are fixing one of the van's the problem's with that van will be far from over because of the length of time it's been parked up, it will probably need new brakes and tyres as well as the new engine..
We had a customer that had a 17 plate transit tipper with 33k miles on it, It was 3 months out of warranty and serviced by the dealer. The belt slipped due to the timing belt loosing its teeth but it didn't snap. The first signs are the vacum pump fails giving no brakes
I've got a Ford Transit, and never ever had any engine problems, it's gone round the clock three times, oh did I mention it's a smiley.😊😊
It takes a concerted effort to turn it around to be in the current situation. About 20 years ago, we were headed toward an automobile industry where it was becoming difficult to buy a bad vehicle. Even my 2001 Kia Rio Cinco lasted me 10 years and still going strong before I got tired of it. My 2015 Transit Connect has a couple of odd things that made me wonder about Ford. (Wasn't "Quality Job 1" at Ford?) Seems to be an industry-wide problem now.
Hi Geoff, I’ve got an old 2007 Citroen berlingo with 170 000 miles. It’s a 1.6 Hdi DV6 engine and it’s still going strong!!!
17 years later…
PSA group Citroen and Peugeot I believe are having similar problems on their new engines… they have replaced the wet belt with a chain but I believe it’s made out of thin material and are snapping way before they should… I do know PSA group have recalled some of the vehicles back…
For your interest
think there is a recall in the US for this, but only because when they fail and the engine cuts out you loose brake vacuum (i think), but as its a safety issue the recall\class action only is for ford america. - just something to look into.
I was going to pop down to local Ford TCH to look at a custom, I guess I need to do some research.
I’ve had the same transit 350 2019 plate 75,585 miles! Serviced by for four out of the 5 years full service history
The Transit went downhill after the manufacturing was moved from Southampton to Turkey. I drove Transits in my work and the difference between the 2004 Transit and the 2007 Transit was disgraceful. The engine in the 2007 model was wholy inadequate for the size of the vehicle and not very reliable
There's Facebook pages dedicated to the wetbelt fiasco
Scotty Kimler recently did a video on wet belts and even he said it was the most stupid idea and a scandal, internally, engines always require metal chains not rubber belts, that's the last application you'd use for internal use. Rubber belts are solely for exterior application for the obvious reason, engine oil destroys rubber belts regardless of their robustness, rubber seals are a different matter all together as they work totally differently in terms of friction, lubrication etc, they're seals that counter friction differently to something that is put under the mechanical stresses cams go through etc. Outside it's called a cambelt, inside it's called a camchain. Ford has lost the plot totally, not the first time and won't be the last, they always seem to get away with all their corporate bs... I'll never have another Ford, learnt my lesson from the mk2 Mondeo, Ford, never again.
Part of the issue is the sheer number of vehicles will always have a larger number of problems
Bottom line though is the service life should be half what they have claimed due to how numbers work in business
I did fleet for a number of years and the extended service intervals are just a joke to make the tax breaks and on the road costs look so much better to the lease companies
Great video Geoff what happened in the USA they brought a class action against Ford which they were going to loose so they gave in they need a big law firm to take the case on for everyone 👍
Dear Geoff, Rubber and Oil are not compatible, wet belt will dissolve fairly quick. Many thanks, from Christopher Bird.
Never liked fords but had two great fiestas not the new ones which are crap. I wont ever have a ford again on the basis of the two videos Geoff and Polly the fleet manager has done. ❤ Thanks for the catch up Geoff quality.
No the message should be “do not buy any Ford vehicle” if Ford don’t give a shit about a big customer what chance does the average customer stand
So the adage Found on Roadside Dead is as appropriate as it ever was. I had a few mk3/4 escorts including a whitesocktastic XR3i with RS wheels, my first ‘fast’ car.
The timing belt thing happens with other brands. We had a £500 bill for a replacement Cam belt on our Panda Twin air, which has a chain and not a belt. If my wife had collected the car she’d have paid the bill as she knows nothing about cars. I wonder how many people Vospers have caught out by doing that.
Hi on Screwfix community there are a lot of posts about wet belt falling. On one post they have said THERE IS A Ford Recall. But I have not been contacted and mine is a 71 plate I have done 50k in mine should I be looking at changing it now?
First I knew about this problem, I had a brake failure due to the vacuum pump disintegrating. Four months later, exact same problem. Took it back to the ford dealer where i purchased it from new and they told me it needs a new engine( transit 2018,2.0 74,000 miles). They have offered a 32% contribution that would still require me to fork out over £5,000. Full ford service history and they tell me they wont budge on the 32%
I have a 21 Plate Vauxhall Mokka (new shape). Its just had its 3 year service and the timing belt is swollen and needs to be replaced. The car has only done 31k miles. Of course this is a wet belt and unfortunately i didnt know about these issues when i purchased the car. Luckily its still under warranty.
i remember when doing belts it stated that if new belt was or got contaminated by oil dispose of it and go buy a new one irrespective if that one was new.... wet belt? worst idea ever.
PSA, Ford and to a lesser extent Honda are running wet belts in most of their modern engines with the same result.
Commercial wise beware that the new VW Transporter is in fact a transit with VW badges, so will also have a wet belt engine.
Wouldn’t say “most” of their modern engines. Ford has them in a lot of engines, sure. But PSA has moved back to a chain, and Honda only ever made one car engine with a wet belt which was discontinued years ago.
@@YZJB so has Ford, but left the oil pump to run on a wet belt, same potential for fod in the oil pump inlet.
The Honda 1.0 turbo in the civic is a wet belt, also subject to similar failures, it's an awful idea
It's amazing how bad these companies treat the people who made them who they are today..
Ford have totally blown it. Also, been a lot of coverage in Car Mechanic magazine here in the UK on the wet belt issues (across various makers). Funny now that when looking for a used car many people want to know whether the engine is chain, belt or wet belt. Those makers who went down this route have totally lost it, and will never get their customers back.
The wet belt vehicles should all be recalled because they are NOT fit for purpose!!!
If a vehicle has a mileage at when an item should be replaced and the manufacturer then lowers the mileage the vans bought before they change of mileage should be honoured if the component fails before the previous mileage has being reached. The manufacturer/dealers should write to all owners of the vehicle if they change the conditions at when a component of a vehicle should be changed. If the vehicle has done more miles than that stated for the component to be changed they should have it in to change the component ASAP. If the component that's replaced then fails before the suggested mileage then the repair should be done free of charge.
Manufacturers get out of things too easily by saying the person used the wrong oil or fluid or other stuff so they won't do the repair for free.
We are going to see more of this with all ICE vehicle manufacturers because they have to keep up with the much more difficult and harder to meet Euro standards.
Best to keep the older vehicles on the road
Yes, they even produce engines with weak piston rings to reduce drag and then wonder why they burn oil !
@@ghunt9146 sadly totally true
Government salt UK roads six months of the year. Sadly my car is rusting away fast. One night they salted our roads when the lowest overnight temperature was 8c.
Hi @@TABRO284 are you serious? They’re still salting the roads in the UK.?
When it’s frozen and cold, they put gravel down on the roads to give traction and the stop people having problems. This also doesn’t cause any damage other than stone chips to the vehicles.
Salt was banned years ago downunder
I understand her frustration, I had Ford vehicles for nearly 40 years and in the last 5 years they have given very poor customer service and I pulled all my vehicles from Ford and went to other suppliers
15 years of driving for a living ive only ever been in sprinters id never consider anything else we habe just got a few new transits at work riddled with issues at 30k miles
I’ve bought a few of these vans now. I just get the timing kits from Ford direct and it takes one of my mechanics all day to do one so the average price of doing the job is between £750-£900 depending on the year as the front timing covers vary between £150 +Vat if available. The old 2017 plates seem to be a little cheaper.
It’s a bit off putting but most of our vans have done 90k to 120k from 2017-2019 plates.
I’ve just purchased 3 more custom vans with 11k-13k-17k
Only problem is there 2018 so do I do them or sell them as they are.
It's crazy boiling a rubber belt in oil and expecting it to last
No other car maker has done it (I don't think) so why do people think it WOULD work? That's crazy.
my transit 2020 just had wet belt changed in may done 132k need keep eye on oil consumption had oil change march need just add 1/2 ltr oil yesterday
Keep going girl we need a good solicitor firm to take Ford on and I only got one van 19 plate 41k on clock had it checked by Ford and advised to change belt cost me £935 to change
My corsa has a wet belt didnt realise when i signed for it ! 2nd year service at just over 9 k a new belt was fitted i wonder why?
does anyone know if Focus mk4 (2018-) 2.0 ecoblue is also affected? I have not heard about a single belt failure case, but arent they the same engine as in Transits?? My local Ford dealer (in Croatia) told me they had problems only with Transits owned by a foreign construction company, but not Focus (though Focus 2.0 are rare here, so that might be the reason). I am asking because I just bought a 2.0 Focus (late 2019) with 107k miles which I believe is still on original belt (I have already booked it for belt replacement, but I am curious). Owners manual specifies required oil is 0W-30 that meets WSS-M2C950-A standard.
does anyone know if you can get an aftermatket cam chain conversion?
If not, that is sorely needed.
Although this isn't good it is awsome as a mechanic iv noticed the build quality of cars drop like a stone while prices going up and up until now the manufactures have been sitting in there ivory towers looking down as dealers and garages deal with the sh!te they produce and by deal with the sh!te I mean receive the abuse from p!ssed off customers because things are never right with there car and the blame ends up square at the garages door but this is what we need we need people to be knocking at the manufacturers doors with the pitch forks.
Don’t know if anyone has mentioned this previously, but there should be a record of the parts department supplying the workshop with the grade of oil.
Maybe this would assist with proof of work carried out?😅
I have said this before at stalantis engines.. they also have a wet timingbelt setup.. rubber and oil dont mix.. if you want a lasting setup.. put a timingchain in it.. as a chain benefits from oil.. but they need to make a quality chain that doesnt stretch as quickly..
Thanks Geoff 👌
Lots of horror stories regarding transits, especially those with this stupid wet belt arrangement. I am on my 2nd transit in 8 years now and I've done over almost 300k between them. The 1st was the 2.2 and all I heard was the injectors will give up and the doors will fall off. The dpf failed once and that was it over its 153k life, great van. The one I'm in now has just turned 140k. Its the 2.0 with the wet belt and its never missed a beat. It gets serviced regularly, probably more than it should, and the belt was done at 90k.
Great vids , but we went to trade in our 17 plate Fiesta car ( 15,000 miles only ) and they didn't want it ! its like we are sitting on a time bombe , I just hope that Ford gives in and sorts something out
Its called built in obsolescence, they are made with a fault which will eventually make the vehicle a write off, the belt snapping will wreck the whole engine, i have heard of electrical products which will only last a number of years then will have to be thrown away due to component breakdown.
Yes, built-in obsolescence is a common enough thing. I'd suggest Ford got their sums wrong on this one though. Failing much too early.
@@TheRealWindlePoons Sure this is going to cost Fords big time, financially and losing their customer base when people ditch the brand.
A wet, oily & rubbery belt may be considered to be an adult treat to some in Westminster, but I certainly won’t entertain one.
I got a Y Reg ford transit mk5 Welfare bus 15 seater its used on school contracts ive had it since 2015 its never had a problem wheelchair lift works its a Radcliffe Palfinger one the 2.5 Diesel runs well and sounds great its been on the road 23 years and passed all MOTs
But these modern ones aint lasting 5 years like what the hell has happened
I've got a Transit Connect 2019. Do these have a wet belt ?
My everyday runabout is a 2009 ford fusion with an old fashioned 4 speed torque converter automatic transmission. Its done 100,000 miles and dosent let me down. No turbo or fancy technology. More modern cars would be more economical but theres far more to go wrong and that would be expensive to repair. My other car is 2003 Honda legend and that never goes wrong. I cant think of anything modern that I'd replace them with that would be as reliable so I'm going to hang on to them.
Up to 2006 I used to be a 'Ford Man' and spent hours fixing/repairing as they were cheap and simple....Switched to Japanese and have never used my breakdown cover since!....where I worked had nothing but issues with Ford, and they switched about 5 years ago to Toyota.
That’s why we called them Dagenham Dustbins had a few fords would never buy another
We use to be able to fix our own vehicles.
Take them to court, the engine issue needs to be exposed.
Just watching this and the first in video advert is for…… FORD….how bizarre is that!!!
It’s not only ford Peugeot have a similar problem my sister and here husband up in Aberdeen have got rid of their Peugeot as it had this wet belt problem it hadn’t snapped yet but was starting to come apart and ended up getting a electric BYD.