I just started getting hook on those right side straighter shots. Definitely finding the pockets, reading the lanes for slick and dry spots. Now I’m starting to stay on the left side and hook the whole lane. My hand position and release are much better and now I can focus more on the lanes themselves. Your videos have been SUPER helpful and I just bowled my highest game of 214 last night. Thanks guys and keep ‘em coming!
I started playing straighter about a year ago and it transformed my game on the house shot. Literally 20 pins on my average. Now I am supremely confident when I step into league night
I uploaded a video of me bowling recently and I got made fun of for how short my shorts were. Even though in my opinion they are a good length. So I felt this one but both were funny for sure.
@@20alphabet Bowling tech has improved. And yes, it has become easier for newer bowlers. But it is still hard to master and overall succeed at. Don't shit on someone for bowling well after only a couple months man. Not cool.
@@justinmaxwell4329 You think a high score due to loaded equipment equates to bowling well. You've proven my point, and will never succeed at anything in life with that view.
@@20alphabet Someone never succeeded at what he wanted to. Jeez man. Idk what your problem is. All I said was bowling tech is more inviting to newer bowlers. I would know, I coach new bowlers and young bowlers. People like you with your sinnical views that shit on anyone's achievements in what is a sport and a hobby must have such awful lives. Are you mad thst you never bowled that well, mad that he did after 3 months, or mad that he is putting in the work to enjoy something in life?
@@20alphabet Also, let me quote your bio. "Profane or Vulgar blather will not be welcomed". Youre just being inherently shitty so I guess that isn't profane but, you have some very mixed morals bud.
So now I’m an Up 10 Dumper LOLOLOL Love it...now just need to perfect it. Played in my 2nd ever Mixed Doubles Handicap Tournament this past Friday with a new Purple Hammer...my league average is 172.... I rode 10 like a champ on 41 ft pattern and we won!!! Was pretty exciting...just didn’t know I was a dumper until now. Good tips, keep up the good work.
Want to say thank you for this video - I have been struggling with carry at 1 particular center this season and I tried to use this concept to keep my angles straighter and my hand up the back of it more to keep things more in front of me and my carry improved tremendously last night shot 720s and finally feel like I helped the team and didn't hurt them. So wanted to give you a shout out for the help.
Great advice on house shot bowling. I've bowled for 60 years now and this advice is spot on. When I am confronted by dry lanes, urethane is the way to go but sometimes I also need to use less hand and roll the ball more end over end to get to the pocket. Pin action is less when doing this but it can be the only way to get to the pocket and have a chance for a strike. Make me a shirt that says, "10 pins... GRRR!" lol
Coming from resident up 10ish player, my goal has always been to find where I can miss left a board and have it hook in the dry, hit my mark and go flush, and miss in and let the oil push the ball toward the pocket. Once I have this set up, it can be automatic 220-230 games.
Best advice I ever got was from a pro shop owner who gave me this piece of advice about bowling on a THS, "most people buy a ball that hooks to much for the conditions " I use bowling balls that people scoff at and they stop after I'll bowl a 245 with a brunswick twist 😆
Thank you for this video. It inspired me to move my target from the second arrow to the third (and I may move to the middle) and the results have paid off (when I manage to actually hit my target). Hope to see you at the Spring Hill open / pro-am. Would be amazing to actually bowl with you now that I have watched every video you have put out.
I love how you guys explained this! This has been a problem for me and last night I noticed it being more of a problem as someone was throwing urethane right on my same track. Thank you for showing an easy solution to getting out of that
I needed this. Thank you, thank you, thank you. I’ve returned to bowling (competitively) since my teen days. I bowled a 184, and when my family and I bowled in the house pattern, I guttered almost every shot, and finished with a 79. Ooooch!!!! Will definitely try this strategy. I’ll give you an update. In the meantime, I’ve subscribed and liked your Channel. You guys are great instructors. 🤗
@@iceman5117 Sir, it’s written in my initial comment. I had not bowled since my teens when I competed in high school. I’m 43 years old. Cut me some slack. I’m trying to get back into it. My father never supported me regardless of any sport I played and he threw away my bowling ball. Now I’m starting again, and I’ve purchased a Altered Reality. I love this ball. Allot of spin action. I’ll take any advice you’re willing to give me. Just don’t shoot me down, okay? 🥹
@@yanniaviation8087 this iceman guys a clown keep it up man play a bit straighter if you are having trouble throwing gutters. Also if you are watching videos to help learn dont watch sport patterns if you are throwing house shots it will mess with your head.
I don't know how much this will help anyone else, but I was always given the general rule of thumb about house shots having 2:1 moves where you move your feet twice as much as your eyes (target). Essentially a 2 board move left would equate to a 1 board move in your target and a 6 board move would be a 3 board move with your eyes. Most of the time with harder oil patterns and oil patterns where the ratio is a lot lower between the middle and outer lane I was given the general rule of thumb to make parallel moves, which equates to more 1:1 moves where every board you move generally moves your target the same amount. Again, a general rule of thumb but I think it goes well with the straight angles talked about in the video.
This actually makes more sense. I'm a lefty and once I keep it more in the middle I have a better chance getting at least 8 pins down or more. Thanks again. 👍
I think this will really help me out, my problem has been trying bounce it off of the friction to create a big hook, but I need to do this to gain some control. Love you guys❤️
Great information! For me i bowl better after the transition. My games tend to go to every game. I struggle on fresh house shots as I don't get much carry early
This is exactly the problem I have been having in league. Overhooking, crashing the headpin and leaving game derailing split. I was surprised to hear you guys say the house shots can be difficult once the lane transitions. I thought it was me being inconsistent (sometimes it is). Now I'm realizing the guys who bowl well are either playing straight up 10 or playing across the lane and getting the ball all the way out 3-5 and letting it hook all the way back. Playing 17 to 8 isn't the right move, which is about what I've been trying to do (it works well when I'm throwing the ball perfectly).
"Down-Ten Dumpers" Simply Priceless! And Surprisingly True.... Thanks for this Vid --- I will certainly try to apply these suggestion to my League strategy!!!!
Bowled in MD Senior Tournament and you guys have been living in my head. Played straighter angles and shot -3 for a 6 game block. Should've had 6 200's but missed spares (video suggestion on the importance of great spare shooting) cost me a chance to at least get to 1300 scratch. Keep up the great work. Proud to support The House!
Great advic I'm 80 yrs old took ur advice.my speed is turtle speed 8 or 9 mph I first shot in League was 8 mph after the ball hit the pins as I walked back my whole team was asleep
Good video, Saved for later reference. when I bowl house shot, I like practicing TECHNIQUE. Ok, like what does this one look like? Experimenting, ok different balls, approaches, etc, is critical to getting going quickly.
OMG!!THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS!!! This has opened up so much for me. I just started bowling and was super confused cause I would see people hook the entire lane but because I have no “hand”(which I just learned was a phrase) I would just try and bowl up the 10 arrow standing at the 18 19ish..but after seeing this video I kinda understand now the difference in angles...thanks a lot for this one guys
Wish I would have caught this video awhile ago. Started bowling seriously about a year and a half ago and took me almost a year to figure this out on my own.
Had rotator cuff surgery a couple of years ago. When I got back into bowling had trouble “chicken winging” and over turning my wrist. Any suggestions on how to overcome this problem.
This is spot on. As a youth I was a up 10 or out to the gutter back when they didn't have a rule about units of oil on the outside. I was a mechanic at a bowling center not too far from Brad and Kyles area. Blue Springs to be exact. I must have practiced half my teen years throwing at the 10 board. Second arrow was my comfort zone. The problem with that is it is everyone elses also. I don't have a lot of hand...I consider myself a tweener. I like to stay up the back and have a high track. With the newer reactive balls it is almost a miracle to stay at 10 and bowl 3 games....It gets burned up. That being said with all the influx of 2-handers the middle can become a mad max of roads also. It used to be....bounce your blue hammer off the dry and clobber the scores. now the equipment is soo strong you have to learn to move in where hardly nobody is playing and avoid the pitfalls. if you get lucky you wont have to move much all night like in the old days. Might get some weak 10's so what. Learn to pick them up. It is better than a bounce off the dry greek church..These guys know their stuff. They are telling us the secret.....most just don't want to listen. It is hard to go practice and throw 15 or 17 board when ya know you can go swing it to the dry and hook it more and be cool cause the cliff is at 9 board. I know it hurts my ego but dangit they are right.
I'm 64 so I bowled same as you up 10 or 5. Just started after 40 years off. Looking to buy a ball . Are the reactives like a phaze2 to much ball for a house shot? Is a hybrid better ?
Adventures. Like you. 64. Learned from Dad in '68. Very little bowling since '71. Bowling now. Rip Van Winkle. I missed everything between then and now. I need help understanding what happened with bowling. In those days the only hook we saw was Carmen Salvino on TV!
I can’t thank you enough, i’m just an intermediate bowler getting better but I always wondered why my ball would hook hard when I got it too far right thank you so much.
Great video. I bowl in a local league and found that a lot of time, straighter angles help me strike more. I use both urethane and resin and I'm going to try this when I practice over the summer. Thanks guys!
This is amazing. Thank you. I would love to see you talk a little bit more about exactly where your foot work starting boards are. I can see that in the beginning shots you were working the 15 arrow but where are your starting boards with your footwork? 15? 20? 25? That would be incredibly helpful. Watched the video twice and I am certain to watch it again to see if you mentioned it and I missed it. I have watched a few of your videos and they are all helpful but this practical "every day bowler" session is priceless. Thank you.
Kyle completely agree straighter is greater on the house. My house at the start of 2020 decided to start using Stonehenge oil pattern. Carry down has become a huge problem. Can we take this video one step further and talk about layouts (generically maybe high rg vs low rg) to play these straighter angles throughout the night on a house shot.
I always liked a 2 & 1 move, feet 2 boards left, & spot at the arrows 1 board left. Or something similar angles. Really enjoying your channel. Keep up the good work!
Instead of moving left , can u just go from reactive to urethane and play the same line and if gets super dry , I gotta 1951 black diamond rubber and play the same line with that to 😁🎳???
This is basically what I do, daniel. I have a solid and a pearl that are good for medium-heavy and medium-light respectively, then a urethane for if it's extra dry, and I'll use the same line all day, switching between the balls.
This is wonderful information, I experienced this last night, were I shot a 144, 183 and then a 234 and it was only when I started going straighter that my success improved. I talked to the mechanic earlier and he shared that he calibrated the machine so there was a consistent oil pattern on all the 40 lanes. A lot of people struggled because they most like went through the wet and the ball did not come back or went through the dry and over reacted. I love the challenge. But I do like to score high some times when things are easy:)
I bowl at this house. The wet/dry can be a little confusing. Use light surface so your ball doesn't overreact when it hits the dry. I use 3000 grit on an asymmetrical pearl with pin up layout. Gives it more of a smooth arc reaction. Of course I play up 10 to start. I will move left and open up my angles some when the lanes break down but don't get your ball into the dry area too quick or it will over hook.
I’m a senior age 65 intermediate (200) average bowler and struggle playing steeper inside lines. Some tips on lining up on approach while squaring up to target at release would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Brad and Kyle.
Perfect video. My friend and I were struggling in league where the house shot is medium to light volume with a lot of friction along the sides. We opened up too much and sent the balls out instead of the “paralleling” that Brad was talking about. I ended up taking my spare ball and just playing up 5 and was striking more consistently.
How do you achieve this for a backup bowler such as myself? I get a lot of tips on this channel for the "normal" bowler, but for the unorthodox bowler, some of these tips are hard for me to adjust my play due to how I throw. I'm a right handed bowler throwing backup. Thanks in advance for any input! And love your channel and you both!!! ❤️
good instructional video but disappointed no holiday videos. I think the reason the two of you are popular is because you’re very likeable people. I don’t care if it’s going out for pizza or playing xbox, I think a lot of us would love to hear how you’re doing. anyways, merry Christmas.. hope you guys have a great 2021! 😊👍
This information will come in handy for me. I just recently got back into bowling, after not hitting pins for at least 10 years. My old strategy was to send my Columbia Messenger (early 2000's vintage) straight down the 5 board and hooking into the pocket. My second night out, I managed to roll a 210. The next week I didn't break 150. I couldn't figure out the lane.
Thank you for the video. The last couple of weeks i have been trying to bowl more straight in league (2 different centers) and i have been hitting the pocket more often. This video made me want to join your online coaching
You guys rock. I was just getting back into bowling after 20 years 60 now back then I was throwing the black Danger Zone shot 2 300 down and end bowler any suggestions on what ball so many to pick from will be bowling on house shot.Love the black danger zone
You guys are spot on with this video. My "home" center switched to kegel ice on older amf hpl lanes and I am higher rev. It made the center which already played like an enormous cliff even more so and the only way I can control it is to keep my downlane target a bit more inside and keep my angles shut down. Stay away from the cliff! Another thing which helped me was switching from a ball that looked good in the center previous to the switch to my trusty green quantum which blends the lane even if I have an oops shot and get it wide because of its smooth motion when it sees early friction. I was throwing a "highlight show" ball in the early weeks of league as it used to be the only thing I could get to clear the front of the lane but after the change it just went dead sideways no matter where I played. Also I feel playing the lanes like this gives me good practice for tournaments when I don't have as much free hook. Happy Holidays guys!
just crushed my high score and bowled a 247 just with this strategy, been bowling for about 3 months now and seeing crazy more consistency with this, i gotta say though sometimes its more fun to hook the whole lane ;)
I'm attending a company night out, and guess what...we are going bowling. I've never bowled in my life, but with the help of your tutorial videos, hopefully, I'll be victorious. PS, when do I release my grip on the ball after the run up?
As I've gotten older I've had to change equipment to keep my angle from getting away from me. I love the straight down the ten board then turning into the pocket. The less angle I have to create the higher I score. Thanks for the tips I really appreciate you guys taking the time to share the info.
Sometimes I like playing up 10 dumper. Other times I like swimming in the shark zone where the big shark prather normally swims at. It's tough and uncomfortable, but you learn to get used to it and better at it with a lot of patience and practice.
You’ve talked about using urethane on short patterns, or on dry lanes... so what about a cliffed house pattern? Would urethane be optimal? And if so, would it need to stay close to the pocket like you said, or move a bit into the dry?
I have that at the house I bowl at , outside is always dry and from second arrow in is always oil and the ball skids no matter what you do , and it doesnt help that I am a left hander who usually has that side to myself , so it doesnt track fast
Great tips guys! Actually i learned a lot from you two to remind me how the basics works. Had a 16 year break from bowling, and now i tried my first game a week ago.. Going To the finals at first place 😂
How do you know when to use the angles in front of you or to open up the lane? Cuz the general rule is to move left, but there is only so far left you can go. Even if you move right, everyone has already used up the oil there. Let's say we are using our light oil equipment.
this video touches on a great point i need more help understanding! i am a lefty and when my line breaks down i have to move my feet right. but i have always kept my same target line. what is the ration for moving your eyes with your feet? is it a 1:1 ratio?
Thanks for the video! Still not sure what can help me! I like to be an "Up 10 Dumper" (or 5 or 13). I go around 13 on most Sport Shots and do very well. However, I usually get to bowl weekends on old REAL wood lanes. They are oiled once weekly and the weekends are scorched dry hell! Just about anything is a direct hook to the 7 pin. 2 handers with monster revs and hand have no problem. Me at 64, not much hand, 14 mph am a different story. Today after wasting two games (one under 100) decided to use dad's 1968 Ebonite Tornado rubber! Straight to the pocket from the corner the way he taught me in '68. If it hadn't been for a couple of chopped spares i'd have broken 200! 181. I want to hook the bowl and be 2022 but i'm just not getting it! I have a Roto-Grip Hyped Hybrid. Apparently that ball is much too strong for these lanes. It does pretty well on the synth lanes in the next town. What can I do for a hooking normal ball on the old fried REAL wood lanes? Thanks from Indiana!
Been waiting for this! As a cranker im ripping the rack one shot than fighting the 'oops bounced too hard off the dry" the next shot. Meanwhile the "up 7, no revvers" are somehow hitting big scores. Inconsistent swinging to the dry with a big asym...try going up the dry with a solid asym you are going through the nose...pearl sym or asym up the dry way too squirely. Curious, is there a shot in there for urethane? Also, for your "straighter but inside and away from that cliff" suggestion are you going solid sym or asym to start?
Just buy a non aggressive low end pearl and solid n youl be good to go. A ball thats not violent strong and is easy to control with a nice smooth reaction. I find that with alot of revs you can get in trouble with strong equipment on a house shot. Get that hockey stick reaction thats tough to predict and tough to control looks great one shot the next it hooks right threw the nose. I just ball down to stuff thats alot smoother all around and try to control the pocket more like they were talkin about. Happy bowling 🎳
I just started getting hook on those right side straighter shots. Definitely finding the pockets, reading the lanes for slick and dry spots. Now I’m starting to stay on the left side and hook the whole lane. My hand position and release are much better and now I can focus more on the lanes themselves. Your videos have been SUPER helpful and I just bowled my highest game of 214 last night. Thanks guys and keep ‘em coming!
I have been having problems with being consistent on my approach, but I will try throwing it straighter and see what happens.
I started playing straighter about a year ago and it transformed my game on the house shot. Literally 20 pins on my average. Now I am supremely confident when I step into league night
Freddie Mercury is back to teach us more bowling tips
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Not even Santa could have a belly laugh like I did after reading that.........
I uploaded a video of me bowling recently and I got made fun of for how short my shorts were. Even though in my opinion they are a good length. So I felt this one but both were funny for sure.
I'd buy an "Up 10 Dumper" shirt.
That shirt describes my entire house shot game
Did they make this shirt?? Lol so great
So I bowled a 214 today after only 3 months bowling I've watched tons of yalls videos thank you guys so much and keep it up
Further evidence that bowling has been
dumbed down irreparably.
@@20alphabet Bowling tech has improved. And yes, it has become easier for newer bowlers. But it is still hard to master and overall succeed at. Don't shit on someone for bowling well after only a couple months man. Not cool.
@@justinmaxwell4329
You think a high score due to loaded equipment equates to bowling well. You've proven my point, and will never succeed at anything in life with that view.
@@20alphabet Someone never succeeded at what he wanted to. Jeez man. Idk what your problem is. All I said was bowling tech is more inviting to newer bowlers. I would know, I coach new bowlers and young bowlers. People like you with your sinnical views that shit on anyone's achievements in what is a sport and a hobby must have such awful lives. Are you mad thst you never bowled that well, mad that he did after 3 months, or mad that he is putting in the work to enjoy something in life?
@@20alphabet Also, let me quote your bio. "Profane or Vulgar blather will not be welcomed". Youre just being inherently shitty so I guess that isn't profane but, you have some very mixed morals bud.
So now I’m an Up 10 Dumper LOLOLOL Love it...now just need to perfect it. Played in my 2nd ever Mixed Doubles Handicap Tournament this past Friday with a new Purple Hammer...my league average is 172.... I rode 10 like a champ on 41 ft pattern and we won!!! Was pretty exciting...just didn’t know I was a dumper until now. Good tips, keep up the good work.
Want to say thank you for this video - I have been struggling with carry at 1 particular center this season and I tried to use this concept to keep my angles straighter and my hand up the back of it more to keep things more in front of me and my carry improved tremendously last night shot 720s and finally feel like I helped the team and didn't hurt them. So wanted to give you a shout out for the help.
Thanks guys, The wet/dry is what I struggle with. This information will help my average go up. Go blues!!!
So true. Finally found this concept out. Been averaging 200+ ever since
Best advice I've gotten in years, you guys rock. Thanks
This video helped me bowl my best game ever! Thanks for the videos!
Great advice on house shot bowling. I've bowled for 60 years now and this advice is spot on. When I am confronted by dry lanes, urethane is the way to go but sometimes I also need to use less hand and roll the ball more end over end to get to the pocket. Pin action is less when doing this but it can be the only way to get to the pocket and have a chance for a strike.
Make me a shirt that says, "10 pins... GRRR!" lol
Coming from resident up 10ish player, my goal has always been to find where I can miss left a board and have it hook in the dry, hit my mark and go flush, and miss in and let the oil push the ball toward the pocket. Once I have this set up, it can be automatic 220-230 games.
Yes, I call that the ‘garden spot’!
Nice job guys! You are speaking gold to us house shot bowlers. We appreciate you both very much.
"Up 10 dumper" may be the best description I have ever heard...
Great teaching method guys. I can't wait to try this when league opens again.
Best advice I ever got was from a pro shop owner who gave me this piece of advice about bowling on a THS, "most people buy a ball that hooks to much for the conditions " I use bowling balls that people scoff at and they stop after I'll bowl a 245 with a brunswick twist 😆
So true. You can use nothing but Hyped and Hustle balls and be very successful on the THS.
Thank you for this video. It inspired me to move my target from the second arrow to the third (and I may move to the middle) and the results have paid off (when I manage to actually hit my target). Hope to see you at the Spring Hill open / pro-am. Would be amazing to actually bowl with you now that I have watched every video you have put out.
I love how you guys explained this! This has been a problem for me and last night I noticed it being more of a problem as someone was throwing urethane right on my same track. Thank you for showing an easy solution to getting out of that
I needed this. Thank you, thank you, thank you. I’ve returned to bowling (competitively) since my teen days. I bowled a 184, and when my family and I bowled in the house pattern, I guttered almost every shot, and finished with a 79. Ooooch!!!! Will definitely try this strategy. I’ll give you an update. In the meantime, I’ve subscribed and liked your Channel. You guys are great instructors. 🤗
What the hell were you bowling on for your 184 if not a house shot? It's either a house pattern or a sport shot
@@iceman5117 Our bowling alley has two sides. One side is for PBA competition (Right), the other side (Left) is for non-PBA.
@@yanniaviation8087 so from the time you started bowling until then, you had never thrown a house shot?
@@iceman5117 Sir, it’s written in my initial comment. I had not bowled since my teens when I competed in high school. I’m 43 years old. Cut me some slack. I’m trying to get back into it. My father never supported me regardless of any sport I played and he threw away my bowling ball. Now I’m starting again, and I’ve purchased a Altered Reality. I love this ball. Allot of spin action. I’ll take any advice you’re willing to give me. Just don’t shoot me down, okay? 🥹
@@yanniaviation8087 this iceman guys a clown keep it up man play a bit straighter if you are having trouble throwing gutters. Also if you are watching videos to help learn dont watch sport patterns if you are throwing house shots it will mess with your head.
Very easy to avoid that issue. Bowl on the left side. I have the same spot since 1984. ;-P
I can only aspire to stay behind the ball and be as clean as you are, Kyle. Good stuff.
I don't know how much this will help anyone else, but I was always given the general rule of thumb about house shots having 2:1 moves where you move your feet twice as much as your eyes (target). Essentially a 2 board move left would equate to a 1 board move in your target and a 6 board move would be a 3 board move with your eyes. Most of the time with harder oil patterns and oil patterns where the ratio is a lot lower between the middle and outer lane I was given the general rule of thumb to make parallel moves, which equates to more 1:1 moves where every board you move generally moves your target the same amount. Again, a general rule of thumb but I think it goes well with the straight angles talked about in the video.
Congrats brad on your sportsmanship of the year award your a great dude and it's well deserved
This actually makes more sense. I'm a lefty and once I keep it more in the middle I have a better chance getting at least 8 pins down or more. Thanks again. 👍
I think this will really help me out, my problem has been trying bounce it off of the friction to create a big hook, but I need to do this to gain some control. Love you guys❤️
Great information! For me i bowl better after the transition. My games tend to go to every game. I struggle on fresh house shots as I don't get much carry early
Looks like Frontier Bowling lanes in St. Peter's, MO. This is where my family grew up bowling from the 80's to about 2015. Many great memories there.
This is exactly the problem I have been having in league. Overhooking, crashing the headpin and leaving game derailing split. I was surprised to hear you guys say the house shots can be difficult once the lane transitions. I thought it was me being inconsistent (sometimes it is). Now I'm realizing the guys who bowl well are either playing straight up 10 or playing across the lane and getting the ball all the way out 3-5 and letting it hook all the way back. Playing 17 to 8 isn't the right move, which is about what I've been trying to do (it works well when I'm throwing the ball perfectly).
"Down-Ten Dumpers" Simply Priceless! And Surprisingly True.... Thanks for this Vid --- I will certainly try to apply these suggestion to my League strategy!!!!
Bowled in MD Senior Tournament and you guys have been living in my head. Played straighter angles and shot -3 for a 6 game block. Should've had 6 200's but missed spares (video suggestion on the importance of great spare shooting) cost me a chance to at least get to 1300 scratch. Keep up the great work. Proud to support The House!
That is the best video u guys hv made! I think we start trying to bowl like the pros! But this makes so much more sense..thx guys🖤
Make a shirt that says something about leaving ten pins. And kyle that stash is wild.
Great advic I'm 80 yrs old took ur advice.my speed is turtle speed 8 or 9 mph I first shot in League was 8 mph after the ball hit the pins as I walked back my whole team was asleep
Good video, Saved for later reference. when I bowl house shot, I like practicing TECHNIQUE. Ok, like what does this one look like? Experimenting, ok different balls, approaches, etc, is critical to getting going quickly.
Great job guys. Cleared some stuff up for me. Thx!
OMG!!THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS!!! This has opened up so much for me. I just started bowling and was super confused cause I would see people hook the entire lane but because I have no “hand”(which I just learned was a phrase) I would just try and bowl up the 10 arrow standing at the 18 19ish..but after seeing this video I kinda understand now the difference in angles...thanks a lot for this one guys
Wish I would have caught this video awhile ago. Started bowling seriously about a year and a half ago and took me almost a year to figure this out on my own.
Im a high rev low speed guy (500 - 17) and I hate house patterns but will often throw plastic to keep it straighter!
Well, Brad congrats on your sportsman reward.
Had rotator cuff surgery a couple of years ago. When I got back into bowling had trouble “chicken winging” and over turning my wrist. Any suggestions on how to overcome this problem.
I agree with all the people who commented about buying an “Up 10 dumper” tshirt. What say you, Kyle. Will you make us one?
This is spot on. As a youth I was a up 10 or out to the gutter back when they didn't have a rule about units of oil on the outside. I was a mechanic at a bowling center not too far from Brad and Kyles area. Blue Springs to be exact. I must have practiced half my teen years throwing at the 10 board. Second arrow was my comfort zone. The problem with that is it is everyone elses also. I don't have a lot of hand...I consider myself a tweener. I like to stay up the back and have a high track. With the newer reactive balls it is almost a miracle to stay at 10 and bowl 3 games....It gets burned up. That being said with all the influx of 2-handers the middle can become a mad max of roads also. It used to be....bounce your blue hammer off the dry and clobber the scores. now the equipment is soo strong you have to learn to move in where hardly nobody is playing and avoid the pitfalls. if you get lucky you wont have to move much all night like in the old days. Might get some weak 10's so what. Learn to pick them up. It is better than a bounce off the dry greek church..These guys know their stuff. They are telling us the secret.....most just don't want to listen. It is hard to go practice and throw 15 or 17 board when ya know you can go swing it to the dry and hook it more and be cool cause the cliff is at 9 board. I know it hurts my ego but dangit they are right.
I'm 64 so I bowled same as you up 10 or 5. Just started after 40 years off. Looking to buy a ball . Are the reactives like a phaze2 to much ball for a house shot? Is a hybrid better ?
Adventures. Like you. 64. Learned from Dad in '68. Very little bowling since '71. Bowling now. Rip Van Winkle. I missed everything between then and now. I need help understanding what happened with bowling. In those days the only hook we saw was Carmen Salvino on TV!
Thanks for the info been struggling with this exact scenario.
Please do such a lovely video for tough flat oil patterns as well.
I can’t thank you enough, i’m just an intermediate bowler getting better but I always wondered why my ball would hook hard when I got it too far right thank you so much.
Great video. I bowl in a local league and found that a lot of time, straighter angles help me strike more. I use both urethane and resin and I'm going to try this when I practice over the summer. Thanks guys!
That was some filthy info and that's a filthy stasche! Much appreciation amigos
This is amazing. Thank you. I would love to see you talk a little bit more about exactly where your foot work starting boards are. I can see that in the beginning shots you were working the 15 arrow but where are your starting boards with your footwork? 15? 20? 25? That would be incredibly helpful. Watched the video twice and I am certain to watch it again to see if you mentioned it and I missed it. I have watched a few of your videos and they are all helpful but this practical "every day bowler" session is priceless. Thank you.
Probably 6 boards left of the target.
Kyle completely agree straighter is greater on the house. My house at the start of 2020 decided to start using Stonehenge oil pattern. Carry down has become a huge problem. Can we take this video one step further and talk about layouts (generically maybe high rg vs low rg) to play these straighter angles throughout the night on a house shot.
Kyle, you need to trademark the statement 10 board dumpers, lol. Need to merchandise itl
I always liked a 2 & 1 move, feet 2 boards left, & spot at the arrows 1 board left. Or something similar angles.
Really enjoying your channel. Keep up the good work!
Instead of moving left , can u just go from reactive to urethane and play the same line and if gets super dry , I gotta 1951 black diamond rubber and play the same line with that to 😁🎳???
This is basically what I do, daniel. I have a solid and a pearl that are good for medium-heavy and medium-light respectively, then a urethane for if it's extra dry, and I'll use the same line all day, switching between the balls.
I've tried my dad's '68 Ebonite Tornado rubber (in great shape) and that ball has zero hook. Huge pin killing impact so i've been using it for spares.
This is wonderful information, I experienced this last night, were I shot a 144, 183 and then a 234 and it was only when I started going straighter that my success improved. I talked to the mechanic earlier and he shared that he calibrated the machine so there was a consistent oil pattern on all the 40 lanes. A lot of people struggled because they most like went through the wet and the ball did not come back or went through the dry and over reacted. I love the challenge. But I do like to score high some times when things are easy:)
Awesome video guys!
I bowl at this house. The wet/dry can be a little confusing. Use light surface so your ball doesn't overreact when it hits the dry. I use 3000 grit on an asymmetrical pearl with pin up layout. Gives it more of a smooth arc reaction. Of course I play up 10 to start. I will move left and open up my angles some when the lanes break down but don't get your ball into the dry area too quick or it will over hook.
So when you move in do you move your eyes farther down the lane or pick a spot to shoot over
I’m a senior age 65 intermediate (200) average bowler and struggle playing steeper inside lines. Some tips on lining up on approach while squaring up to target at release would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Brad and Kyle.
Hmm good info but i would of liked more ball info for these type of lanes , as house shots a very common on league night play.
Perfect video. My friend and I were struggling in league where the house shot is medium to light volume with a lot of friction along the sides. We opened up too much and sent the balls out instead of the “paralleling” that Brad was talking about.
I ended up taking my spare ball and just playing up 5 and was striking more consistently.
How do you achieve this for a backup bowler such as myself? I get a lot of tips on this channel for the "normal" bowler, but for the unorthodox bowler, some of these tips are hard for me to adjust my play due to how I throw. I'm a right handed bowler throwing backup. Thanks in advance for any input! And love your channel and you both!!! ❤️
I needed to hear this.
I laughed way too hard at the “Up 10 Dumper” comment. I’m proud to be an ‘Up 10 Dumper’!
good instructional video but disappointed no holiday videos. I think the reason the two of you are popular is because you’re very likeable people. I don’t care if it’s going out for pizza or playing xbox, I think a lot of us would love to hear how you’re doing. anyways, merry Christmas.. hope you guys have a great 2021! 😊👍
what is best balls to use on a house shot? urethane? hybrid? reactive?
This is why I love being a lefty on a house shot!!
Daniel Robichaud, bravo to you. I wish I still had my Ebonite rubber Maxim IV, at least for spares. Even plastic can hook too much sometimes.
I am an up 10 dumper on league night! Thanks for the name!
More forward roll. Keeps the pins lower and the carry is better too.
This information will come in handy for me. I just recently got back into bowling, after not hitting pins for at least 10 years.
My old strategy was to send my Columbia Messenger (early 2000's vintage) straight down the 5 board and hooking into the pocket. My second night out, I managed to roll a 210. The next week I didn't break 150. I couldn't figure out the lane.
I love you guys as videos it helps me when I bow I would love to both you guys
Thank you for the video. The last couple of weeks i have been trying to bowl more straight in league (2 different centers) and i have been hitting the pocket more often. This video made me want to join your online coaching
You guys rock. I was just getting back into bowling after 20 years 60 now back then I was throwing the black Danger Zone shot 2 300 down and end bowler any suggestions on what ball so many to pick from will be bowling on house shot.Love the black danger zone
If I had this yesterday it would’ve been a game changer
You guys are spot on with this video. My "home" center switched to kegel ice on older amf hpl lanes and I am higher rev. It made the center which already played like an enormous cliff even more so and the only way I can control it is to keep my downlane target a bit more inside and keep my angles shut down. Stay away from the cliff! Another thing which helped me was switching from a ball that looked good in the center previous to the switch to my trusty green quantum which blends the lane even if I have an oops shot and get it wide because of its smooth motion when it sees early friction. I was throwing a "highlight show" ball in the early weeks of league as it used to be the only thing I could get to clear the front of the lane but after the change it just went dead sideways no matter where I played. Also I feel playing the lanes like this gives me good practice for tournaments when I don't have as much free hook. Happy Holidays guys!
just crushed my high score and bowled a 247 just with this strategy, been bowling for about 3 months now and seeing crazy more consistency with this, i gotta say though sometimes its more fun to hook the whole lane ;)
Just to mention further some straighter seem to get away from you if the house pattern has become very light in oiling the lanes.
One of the most informative bowling videos I've seen yet. Thank you
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Nice video!! Thanks for the input!
Kyle out here like super troopers.🤣
Just started doing this more. Worked great for my average to go up.
They should make a oil pattern where the middle is dry and the edges are heavy and always make one lane that way without telling anyone
I'm attending a company night out, and guess what...we are going bowling. I've never bowled in my life, but with the help of your tutorial videos, hopefully, I'll be victorious. PS, when do I release my grip on the ball after the run up?
Merry Christmas everybody.. stay safe - stay at home.....
As I've gotten older I've had to change equipment to keep my angle from getting away from me. I love the straight down the ten board then turning into the pocket. The less angle I have to create the higher I score. Thanks for the tips I really appreciate you guys taking the time to share the info.
Those lanes are so dang oily compared to here in PA and NJ.. They are so dry here.
Is the St.Louis region a hotbed for bowling? Im about 2 hours from St.Louis but bowl league. I would love to find some tournaments!
Merry Christmas Brad & Kyle! 🎄
Shoot...I'm an up 10 dumper all day.
Up ten dumper, I'd buy that shirt. That's me gents!
Awesome thanks guys!!!
Sometimes I like playing up 10 dumper. Other times I like swimming in the shark zone where the big shark prather normally swims at. It's tough and uncomfortable, but you learn to get used to it and better at it with a lot of patience and practice.
You’ve talked about using urethane on short patterns, or on dry lanes... so what about a cliffed house pattern? Would urethane be optimal? And if so, would it need to stay close to the pocket like you said, or move a bit into the dry?
I have that at the house I bowl at , outside is always dry and from second arrow in is always oil and the ball skids no matter what you do , and it doesnt help that I am a left hander who usually has that side to myself , so it doesnt track fast
Great tips guys! Actually i learned a lot from you two to remind me how the basics works. Had a 16 year break from bowling, and now i tried my first game a week ago.. Going To the finals at first place 😂
Should we ball up as the lanes transition and we move inside with slower speed and straighter angles, or keep using the same ball we started with?
How do you know when to use the angles in front of you or to open up the lane? Cuz the general rule is to move left, but there is only so far left you can go. Even if you move right, everyone has already used up the oil there. Let's say we are using our light oil equipment.
this video touches on a great point i need more help understanding! i am a lefty and when my line breaks down i have to move my feet right. but i have always kept my same target line. what is the ration for moving your eyes with your feet? is it a 1:1 ratio?
Thanks for the video! Still not sure what can help me! I like to be an "Up 10 Dumper" (or 5 or 13). I go around 13 on most Sport Shots and do very well. However, I usually get to bowl weekends on old REAL wood lanes. They are oiled once weekly and the weekends are scorched dry hell! Just about anything is a direct hook to the 7 pin. 2 handers with monster revs and hand have no problem. Me at 64, not much hand, 14 mph am a different story. Today after wasting two games (one under 100) decided to use dad's 1968 Ebonite Tornado rubber! Straight to the pocket from the corner the way he taught me in '68. If it hadn't been for a couple of chopped spares i'd have broken 200! 181. I want to hook the bowl and be 2022 but i'm just not getting it! I have a Roto-Grip Hyped Hybrid. Apparently that ball is much too strong for these lanes. It does pretty well on the synth lanes in the next town. What can I do for a hooking normal ball on the old fried REAL wood lanes? Thanks from Indiana!
Can y’all grab a non Packy lefty and do this video over? House shots are funny to me once I started bowling sport all the time
Been waiting for this! As a cranker im ripping the rack one shot than fighting the 'oops bounced too hard off the dry" the next shot. Meanwhile the "up 7, no revvers" are somehow hitting big scores. Inconsistent swinging to the dry with a big asym...try going up the dry with a solid asym you are going through the nose...pearl sym or asym up the dry way too squirely. Curious, is there a shot in there for urethane? Also, for your "straighter but inside and away from that cliff" suggestion are you going solid sym or asym to start?
Just buy a non aggressive low end pearl and solid n youl be good to go. A ball thats not violent strong and is easy to control with a nice smooth reaction. I find that with alot of revs you can get in trouble with strong equipment on a house shot. Get that hockey stick reaction thats tough to predict and tough to control looks great one shot the next it hooks right threw the nose. I just ball down to stuff thats alot smoother all around and try to control the pocket more like they were talkin about. Happy bowling 🎳