I'm NEVER buying these light stands again!
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The old adage applies; "buy cheap and buy often..."
_Buy it nice, or buy it twice._
A while ago, I had a similar situation - all my e-bay-amazon-newer-linkstar-walimex-noname stands one by one fell apart. No exceptions. Only the air-cushioned Mannfrotto (cant remember the number - will look up) bought in 1999 still rocks. Then I bought some C-stands (from Bresser -BR-C24) for 4 years - still strong. There are some caveats with tightening / losing screws, but tolerable. But then my employer bought Kupo light stands (C-stands, juniors, roller-ups). Well - that's a completely premium class stands to work with. And the price is about the same as Bressers... You should try it out.
Thanks you! I have exactly the same problems. Lookednthese too. I would love to see how you are getting on with these . I cant find a strong yet light stand
Thanks David. I have a couple of Neewer stands also ,along with other brands of stands. I will keep a close watch on those Neewer stands.
You might want to look into "C-stands" for your studio needs. Neewer usually has an Amazon lightning deal on a pair of them for $300.00 and they will stand the test of time. But they are not as portable. I don't know who makes a true professional grade collapsible fold-able stand like the ones you've shown, but the C-stands are definitely no joke! Cheers 🍻
Very good review - thanks :)
Dave, you are in danger of under estimating your needs, lighting stand wise. I too started off with cheap and cheerful lightweight and decidedly light duty light stands but eventually grew out of them. They are ok for small lightweight softboxes or bare bulb setup but really struggle to stay upright with anything else. I have since invested in a c-stand with a turtle base from Manfrotto's Avenger line up. I couldn't be happier. They are amazingly versatile and really solid. You can dismantle most designs of c-stand foe easy storage. Mine will go under the bed when not in use.
Go with the Matthews Maxi Kit Steel Stand (or some combination of those words). It's a little heavier than typical aluminum kit stands, but not by much, and it's WELL BUILT.
C stands are expensive but worth every penny. I like avenger c stands
Those Lencqrta stands look decent I may have to look at a couple of them for location. I do have 3 c-stands in case on wheels that I can take out but sometimes you really don’t need that much weight so a couple of lightweight stands would be great.
Hey Dave....I picked up a pair of heavy duty stainless steel light stands a few years ago and they still look and work like new. They were about double the cost but worth it in my opinion. I'm sure Rusty would approve as well.....Thanks for theses videos.
post link to your stands please
I use the Manfrotto 1004BAC and they’re great 👍🏻
Thank you Mr McKeegan. Hi Rusty.
You're welcome Mr Bailey
Ten years ago, I bought speaker stands to hold my lights. Their tubes are twice as thick as a normal light stand and hold over twice the weight as a light stand would.
The reason for the scraping at the tops of the tubes is because of flexing from the tension that the weight of the lights caused. Like right before a plastic bends and kinks.
Have same stands for light. But with air cushion. And in one day it stop collapsing at All. It just stuck and that’s it((( don’t know what to do
for studio work I can highly recommend so called C-stands. They mostly made of stainless or chrome plated steel and they are quite heavy and very stable.
C stands are much pricier and, indeed, "quite heavy"-much heavier-but anatomically are less stable, as the leverage point is lower.
@@oasean C stands are time tested and will last much longer, the down side heavier. They are more stable because you can put weights over the tops of the legs. You can put them closer together or on top of each other because the legs don't hit each other. They are superior in every way, but they cost more. Buy the cheap light stands for what they are, cheap, light and disposable.
@@IAmR1ch: Not "superior in every way," a C stand, you note, has the "downside heavier" and "they cost more."
Even then, as you explain, "They are more stable because you can put weights over the tops of the legs."
You also cite, "You can put them closer together or on top of each other, because the legs don't hit each other."
But, rarely done in a photography in studio or on location, that is mainly narrative filmmaking, where C stands originated.
Perhaps coming to your senses, you implore, "Buy the cheap light stands for what they are, cheap, light and disposable."
Yes, three lightstands, two speedlights, a softbox, and a reflector all "cheap, light and disposable" may be a better start than one speedlight and one C stand for the money.
Otherwise, a quality lighstand can last for decades of personal use with powerful strobes, all while more portable per height and more stable per weight than a C stand.
A quality lighstand, such as Adorama's store brand Flashpoint or B&H's store brand Impact may be 12' tall with a 5' long boom arm for less money than a C stand 7' with a 3' long boom arm.
C stands were built to endure a Hollywood studio's bevy of busting workers and equipment while getting moved, set up, and torn down, moved, set up, and torn down, for 12 hours daily by workers whose trade is moving as fast as possible and yet achieving maximal safety feasible.
@@oasean You have your opinion. C stands are superior in every way for what this guy is looking for. He used the cheap stands and they don't work and are disposable. With every choice there are upsides and downsides, if there were no downsides the other option would not exist. For video like Dave is doing, C stands are better. They will eliminate his complaint about cheap and don't last long. Perhaps you should come to your senses and understand Dave's complaints which I was addressing, not your scenarios. I own both and use both so I know what I am talking about. You can go off and give others bad advise because you don't try to understand their problem. Dave was not talking about speed lights, he was talking about his in studio video lights where C stands originated to resolve problems there, and yes they would be more stable in that situation because you can weight the bottoms more easily and they are not hauled around.. Come your your senses and stop speaking in circles or about problems that don't exist in the discussed scenario.
@@IAmR1ch: Please, gain the decency to use paragraphs, not strain a reader's eyes and mind with one giant block.
Anyhow, you open by telling me, "You have your opinion. C stands are superior in every way for what this guy is looking for."
But you feel he's too stupid to notice that? I had made basic claims either factual, erroneous, or debatable about the basic designs, period.
As still undisputed here, I said that a photography lightstand is stabler geometrically, whereas a C stand's greater stability owes to greater weight.
Newly, you grant, "With every choice there are upsides and downsides". But irrelevantly, you add, "Dave was not talking about speedlights; he was talking about his in-studio video lights".
As I never talked about Dave, how does Dave's alleged need reveal that someone mounting speedlights and reflectors needs C stands versus "cheap stands"-your fictitious dichotomy?
I never claimed C stands-built by default for frequent abuse in professional movie production-are lesser to "cheap stands" or even to what options I myself then noted, quality lighstands.
You claim it was "in-studio video lights where C stands originated to resolve problems there". LED video lights of photography's monolight form factor did not exist in decades ago in cinema.
As I said, C stands originated for Hollywood sets, whereby C stands must be set up, torn down, packed up, carted, unloaded, set up, torn down, packed up, carted, unloaded, set up, again-
C stands were designed to sustain abuse 12 hours daily for decades by workers whose job is to do everything as rapidly as humanly possible and yet do it all with as low a liability as feasible.
My photography had Canon fullframe and a tripod but not stands at all when my university's film department had C stands but gave introductory production Rebel T3i, kit lens, and no stands.
My first student film used my first lights stands-three cheap ones-that I had got for stills photography. I used C stands later, shooting scene recreations in the film department's rooms.
Ironically, some classrooms had in a corner a cinema light on a C stand. As I would later learn, classic cinema does not mount such monstrosities on C stands, which mount just accessories.
C stands' legs can go adjacent to other C stands' legs and be sandbagged, yes, but you omit that, not to hold lights, this is to layer scrims and such. Why sandbag a leg just to hold a scrim?
C stands mount lighting accessories on boom arms, which get counterweighted by sandbags. Sandbag on a leg is just extra safety. Photographers favor C sands likewise with boom arms.
I do not recall Dave saying his allegedly "cheap stands" did not work-your allegation-or even that they tipped over. Who has reported lightstands to spontaneously fall over within the studio?
You say C stands "would be more stable in that situation because you can weight the bottoms more easily and they are not hauled around." So why not help Dave drill them into the subfloor?
If an individual in a private studio not booming in a heavy light, you are working wrong-maybe using cheap stands, not good stands-if you feel hampered for lack of a sandbagged C stand.
When needing C stands, I wheeled on my handtruck a used one 5' with boom arm 3' for $100 from Adorama, opened the box, felt my vanity, needing $50 more for wheels, and returned it.
For $100, we can buy a good lightstand-Adorama's store brand Flashpoint or B&H's store brand Impact-12' feet with 4' boom arm plus an empty sandbag to counterweight the arm.
As a member of Amazoncom's Vine Voice nonemployee team of product reviewers, I got several lightstands free. They ranged from cheap stands to mediocore stands to good stands.
Nobody is saying that C stands are useless and have no comparative virtues in a photovideo studio. C stands' virtues, though, are key only in a busy studio or amid heavy or rapid duties.
I think those cheap stands are more for people who are just starting out and are on a tight budget. They'll do until they can afford better gear. I have a couple of cheap stands. One is a little more heave duty than the other. I don't do a lot of portrait shoots just yet.
Owning a commercial studio (where stand get beat up, moved, and generally abused) I quit using the type of stand design you use a long time ago. They don’t last, the footprint of the base is too large, they can’t handle weight or too large of a fixture. I use C-stands almost exclusively (I only use the type of stands you use for bare bulb lighting or very light weight LCD panels) and have some that are 20 years old and still look, and mainly, work flawlessly. Additional, you can easily offset a large soft box or other large light modifiers and solve the problem of the light fixture being impeded from pointing in the right direction by the middle extending pole. Just like your stands, they can easily be weighed down to prevent accidents and equipment damage, and with extension arms you can counter weight and add a remarkable amount of equipment.
It’s almost never a good idea to buy the cheap. You pay many times over what proper equipment cost in the long run. Within your C-stand purchase you can go with the venerable ones and pay for the name or get some like Adorama brands for ⅔ the price and just as good. You should at least try to get some for a review and comparison. Thanks for all the inspiration and work you put into your videos, I really appreciate you.
Dave, I'm sure you get what you pay for. Grip kit should ideally last a long long time. I personally swear by Manfrotto stands. Mathews is pretty good too. Both quality brands, typically made in Italy or USA. Usually at least twice the price of cheapo Chinese, but IMO totally worth it, esp if you can buy on a deal (eg Blk Fri). Just bought some Manfrotto Avenger C-stands (brilliant but expensive).
I have owned several Manfrotto 1051 BAC 'baby' stack-together stands for a decade. Super light, portable, but not for bigger lights. I also have slightly larger Manfrotto (054s I think) which are light and robust, but don't clip together. For anyone serious about getting a good stand(s) I'd suggest seriously checking out a Manfrotto 1005BAC (Ranker) before buying anything cheaper. I'm minded to upgrade and get a set of 3 Rankers (will clip together for transit or storage) and sell/retire other stands I don't like as much.
But, each to their own. Everyone has slghtly different needs and preferences. I'm lucky in that I can afford to buy quality kit, but still remember the days I couldn't. IMPO, best to buy what you can really afford and don't get into debt chasing excellence that you may not currently need.
But, keep in mind that cost is soon forgotten, whilst quality persists. For sure I have bought cheap and needed to buy twice on occasion. Digressing slightly, on tripods, I must have bought at least 15 tripods over 30 years, many which were totally cr*p. I still own about 4 pods (different sizes for different needs) but could have saved a lot by waiting, then only later buying what I'd initially been hesitant about purchasing on account of a high cost. Value is always worth pursuing and is different from cost - especially when balanced against real user needs. That's my two penny worth - I'm a tight fisted bast**d, but now won't stint on buying good quality photo kit as I realise alternatives can be false economy. Try also not to be hostage to marketing hype, aka bulls**t. Few of us really need the latest high-end camera, lens etc and a better balance of funds that embraces..... skill, practice, shooting opportunities, lighting, sound and grip. That's why I'm unlikely to buy a new Sony a9iii - even though I like it can afford one.
it doesn't matter what brand. those cheap stands will fail. If you can afford it buy a c-stand or a rolling stand. Some of the chicom c-stands can be had for around 100 usd. Totally worth it. they are heavier than those cheap ebay specials but they balance well and hold up to abuse.
How illuminating.
A stand up video!
Take a bow :-)
With the amount of money you have spent on cheap stands, you could have purchased two professional C Stands and a boom arm. They would last decades.
True, with hindsight C stands would have made more sense although at the time I thought they were excessive for my needs (I didn't really need a boom arm etc)
I don't have a Studio. I don't need stands.... But of course we watch. ITS A RUSTY VIDEO !!!!
C stand will last a lifetime, but they are more expensive and heavy. Buy cheap light stands for what they are, cheap lightweight and disposable. Adorama on sale sells the flashpoint light stands with boom and pin for $100.
Hello
So I guess that your newer nightstands compare favourably against your Neewer ones? 😳😜
Yes the Neewers are rubbish, no where near as good as the newer ones ... although will have to wait and see if the newer ones fair any better than the Neewer one when they aren't so new any more ;-)
Matthews. Buy once, cry once.
Send the old one to me 😂😂😂😂 i can fix it and use it. To me that stand is Gold...
How do you fix it
"I bought top-of-the-line light stands and they disappointed" - interesting video. I bought cheap light stands and they were surprisingly good" - tell me more. "I bought cheap light stands and they disappointed" - why?
Buy once cry once. Manfrotto is the way to go
For God's Sake, get some C-Stands! Or get some similar stands by respected brands such as Matthews or Avenger. The false economy of cheap light stands is like someone saying the Earth is flat then doing a scientific experiment that proves otherwise.
Some years ago I got 2 Neewer light stands with boom arms. It is rubish! The worst investmen ever. And I own a lot of neewer products that I trust, but their light stands are shit
U shd nit buy any light stand AGAIN . U shd buy once.
Neewer sucks just buy something more premium