What Is *Good* Queer Representation in 2020?
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Sense 8~Netflix
Lost Girl ~Showcase
Teen Wolf~MTV
Kipo & The Age of Wonderbeasts~Dreamworks Animation
She Ra and the Princess of Power~Dreamworks Animation
Wynonna Earp~SyFy
Merlin~BBC
The Legend of Korra ~ Nick
Adventure Time ~Cartoon Network
Glee~Fox
OUAT~ABC
Pose~FX
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[about bow's dads] “and they're not stereotypes at all” it's worse than that. they're not black or gay stereotypes… they're *dad* stereotypes! (dramatic musical sting)
I love that though
Poor Bow. He has to deal with twice the normal dad puns as folks who don't have two dads. This is truly the worst timeline
Do they have dad bods tho?
dun dun DUN
@@moeezS Dream daddies maybe
Spinerella and Netossa aren't just girlfriends, they are married. Netossa calls Spinerella "my wife" openly and no one in the show makes a big deal out of it, and even before then Bow's parents aren't just parents but also husbands and they must have been married for a long time if their youngest son is a young adult
She-ra acknowledges same sex marriage in a very normal, just a regular part of life and something people need to realize, is that not _everywhere_ that these shows air *have* same sex marriage as something we can aspire to unless we run off somewhere else
Experiences are not universal, so it is important for possibilities to be presented to us
The Dragon Prince also does in a very normal way. E.g. having 2 moms and biracial relationships. They're just like a casual mention that imo makes them so normal
I remember when I was watching in the living room my mom was caught off guard when a netossa said "my wife" and asked, "is she gay?" and we had a conversation about gay married women being on kids shows and I think it did some good
*ned voice* mah wife
My favorite scene of She-Ra is the "Lunch" scene. The perfect combo of hilarious and adorable.
Yes. I watched She-ra a little before president of my country, running for re-election pushed for amendment for Constitution to make sure, that gay people could never get married and be parents (for now we don't have any legislation for it and against it, so we cannot have it, but with that it could be even harder to get to equality).
I listened to Warriors by AJ Michalka as I went to protest yesterday. So... yeah, I absolutely adored this show, I couldn't shut up about it when I watched it, the same way I cannot stop talking about situation in Poland...
I personally don’t like Riverdale at all. The main reason being Jughead and Betty. I’m not saying Bughead is awful. Just that when they started dating I was wary and disappointed, but when they started sleeping together I was devastated. The comic Jughead Jones is the only canonically ace/aro character I can name of the top of my head. Riverdale took that away.
i even remember reading that Cole Sprouse pushed for them to make him ace but they shot him down
Same with Sherlock. Sherlock Holmes is canonically ace, but the writers thought that was boring so they made him ambiguously straight. The search for an canon ace character in mainstream media is still on (other than Spongebob, cause I don't watch that show).
Yeah, right now the only ace character I know of is Raphael from Shadowhunters
@@_jian_7621 Todd from Bojack Horseman gets brought up a lot but he is actually a very well-executed ace character. It can be a tough show to get into for some tho.
@@marinasw2488 Oh right I think I've heard of him, I've never watched the show though. Is it any good?
every time i think about what finnpoe could've been, how both actors confirmed they were playing their roles as if they were in love with each other... we were ROBBED
the movie could have redeemed it's self, but nooo it had to be straight 😥😂😂
Bothered me so much that this awesome gay couple got rushed into a relationship with an underwritten woman of the same race so JJ Abrams could say nohomo
100%, I will never let this go, and I will never stop shipping them and being sad that's all it'll ever be. Stormpilot forever.
@@gaby-zf8jj I would have been equally happy with FinnRey being canon, but we still unfortunately live in a society where people are enraged by the existence of cishet mixed race couples.
Yup. In X-Men, Charles and Erik moved in together, so my Cherik heart was satisfied. StormPilot? Nope.
God, I love She-Ra.
When I saw that kiss at the end, I was kicking around the sofa and screaming. I was so happy. Honestly, probably my favorite kids show ever.
When she was listing all the diversity at the end, I got goosebumps. Maybe I need to go watch it again.... for the 6th time 😂
a show that demonstrates the power of lesbians in love and its capacity to quite literally save the universe? a moment that will go down in history!
@@hobihope2981 I high key lost track of who she was talking about after a certain point. Usually there's so few that you know who's who off the top of your head.
Look at the cast of the show makes me almost as happy as watching it. Various shades of diversity and like 1.5 straight white men in the whole thing. Brilliant
As a bigger bi girl, its so disheartening to only see thin lesbian/bi representation. My heart absolutely swelled when I saw Netossa/Spinerella in She-Ra because I finally saw a part of myself on screen.
you should get into the owl house. it’s about the main human gal learning witch magic and it gets gay, i promise. i really like it.
Good point. I agree. We are still not able to see larger body types and when we do, it is usually as a side character and Bestie role (like full figured lesbian in the series In the Dark from CW). I want to see more size diversity for women in main character roles and not just supporting roles.
sourkiwichair marceline Umm its gay AND Alex Hirsch is a voice actor in it???? I'm sold, officially watching this tonight.
Hobi Hope it was made by Alex Hirsch’s wife, who’s a bisexual woman!
@Jeff Bridger i can telll you right now- representation is incredibly important. when the world is majority what you are not, it is so important to see yourself on screen. what do you consider a personality type, then? most gay people, their sexuality has been a huge part of their life bc of how much it affects our lives.
Shoutout to the og japanese Sailor Moon. All the way back in the 90s, tgey had a lesbian couple and a trio of gender non-conforming singers.
Like no one in that show was straight, there was so much girl on girl blushing
Usagi is canonically bi herself.
@@Laeiryn wait canonically really???
@@Laeiryn Yo awesome!
@@billbuttlicker1248 In the comic and in the original Japanese anime. Usagi will always point out who she's attracted to. You could argue that when she does this with women like Rei/Sailor Mars it's only platonic however when Haruka is introduced literally everyone is obsessed. When Haruka is first introduced the inner senshi believe she's a boy and all crush hard they then find out she's a girl and they all are still crushing hard (if not harder). With Michiru i could see an argument that Usagi just admires her but 🤷♀️. In the 5th season/arc Seiya is introduced. In the comic Seiya is afab and presents as a man in the Anime he is male as a civilian and female as sailor star fighter. Tuxedo mask is absent from most that arc and Usagi is clearly attracted to Seiya and they have a lot of sexual tension through out the season/arc.
I would really love to see more good non binary rep that are actually human
Yes! I love aliens and robots but PLEASE throw me some humans, already!
agreed. Also in case you haven´t seen it yet, I would recommend "one day at a time". Season two has a nonbinary character.
So true! Too many enbys in fiction are literal monsters who use it pronouns
Yeah the only non-binary human I remembered in media is Sadie's partner, who only appear in one episode.
The anime Stars Allign has a side character who finds out they are non-binary. I think it was handled really well. (sorry if you aren't an anime fan)
I’m ok with messy couples the only thing I ask is that they don’t perpetuate harmful stereotypes. For example, having a bisexual character cheat or have commitment issues is a harmful stereotypes and is pretty common in media already. I wouldn’t have a problem with such portrayals except there are so few bisexual characters that don’t follow harmful stereotypes.
* cough * Maya and Carina * cough *
Hi! You might not want to watch it because it is in Spanish and you'd have to read subtitles, but there's this thing called Skam, a web series originally from Norway that has a lot of remakes, and there is a Spanish version. In the Spanish version (Skam España) there are two bi girls that fall in love with each other (mild spoiler) and it is actually really good. You can find it on TH-cam and I'm pretty sure there are English subtitles available. Also, you'd have to watch season 2. Season 1 is not available on TH-cam, but it is more boring. You would miss out on couple of details about other side characters, but that's not really important. I know it is not much, but i loved it (I might be biased because it is a Spanish show and I am Spanish, but still). I think it does a great job at representing bisexuality and coming out to your friends and deals with mental illnesses too... Idk i loved it, you should give it a try :))
I'm the same way. Like, I know people love Sterek but wasn't Derek a grown ass man when people started shipping him with a child? Yeah, no - that shit ain't it lol.
It's like people think asking for quality representation means I want the exact same shitty rep straight couples get - girl, no. No I do not want what the straights have lol.
@@luckyrubia812 i had heard about skam france but not a spanish version I'll be happy to check that out, it'll help me get better at Spanish too, thx for the rec :))
I agree, it's hard for me to be excited about a lot of bi representation because they way the show tells the audience the character is bi, is cheating with the opposite sex :/ I do think there's less of that in a lot of current portrayals, but then also all of those portrayals are, like Melina said, beautiful white/light skinned cis women.
The absolute exhaustion with which SuperWhoLock is referred to 😚👌
my reaction to hearing the term "SuperWhoLock" is gagging
I'm having flashbacks
Oh, I felt that in my bones. Tumblr in 2011-2012 was... something.
The cursed time!
Felt that in my bones
I think it's really interesting that Kylo Ren/General Hux is the most popular Star Wars ship (at least based on AO3 stats) when FinnPoe is right there. Like ship what you want but it's a little suspicious that so many fans have passed over lead characters who are black and Latino and have such amazing chemistry in favour of an all white ship with Hux being barely a character
Yup
So frustrating
Forever gonna ship stormpilot
Exactly... smh. And quite honestly, I'm so here for FinnPoe. I wish there was more of that.
I like both? But I got to admit the biggest allure behind kylo/hux for me was the fan fiction and how the authors manage to make it happen. There were tons of beautifully written fics that I devoured maybe a year or two ago?
TheSteelalchemist It makes me sad that this well written fanfiction could have been dedicated to a pairing with more chemistry but instead is dedicated to one that’s more conventionally attractive
Btw speaking of interracial couples, it was also really disheartening to see how the fandom handled Rules in Euphoria which is a couple between a Black girl and a white trans girl. Everyone was like "it's so toxic" - yes it's toxic, they are teenagers discovering their sexuality and identity, let them breathe.
You know, I'm happy to hear that. Hearing only that narrative made me as bit afraid to start euphoria. So that's good to hear.
Toxic? I might have to watch it again but it seemed like the only wholesome and healthy relationship on the show but maybe that was just by comparison to everything else that was so messed up.
@@toshomni9478 Well i mean Rue was using Jules as her replacement drug and was suffocating her and relying on her to be her entire emotional support system. They were cute, but it wasn't healthy. Rue needs professional help.
am i really the only one that didn't find it toxic? like maybe unhealthy at times, but how is it toxic? they literally love each other and do nothing malicious against one another
@@niklasss toxic is not necessarily synonymous with abusive and sometimes relationships become toxic not because of malice, but because of people's insecurities
The owl house has a ship being set up in a disney show where its the main character, a more androgynous female, and another female. The creator has been outspoken about her intent for the ship to happen
Lumity steals my soul everytime
@Lauren Victoria fingers crossed, I hope so too🤞🏽🤞🏽🤞🏽
I don’t think disney will allow it, but I can’t let go of hope.
Enchanting Grom Fright was the cutest! And Luz is a POC too so that’s nice. The creator said that she is pushing for this so that’s good.
Luz and Amity are my gay babies... In Wing it like witches, Amity is super gay over Luz. She has lost the ability to keep her thoughts in. 🏳️🌈👩🏾🤝👩🏼❤️
The tribute at the end made me emotional. Santana was the character who finally made me confront my bisexuality. Seeing a latina who had to reconcile with her family’s values and her own experience was groundbreaking for me.
definitely
Yeah, me too. She was amazing and the character who made me realize I was okay (even though I have both an aunt and an uncle in the LGBTQ+ community)
The only thing I don't like about her experience is her coming out story. She literally outed by Finn and then she forgave him because he sang a song.
@DarthYuYevon That- is not true. Although there are definitely people who think that, they're very few (and they're wrong). To call out such a large group is completely unfair. I myself am a Lesbian feminist and I know quite a few as well, and none of us have any doubt in the validity of bisexuality. It is very much a real thing, the only doubtable thing would be pure heterosexuality or pure homosexuality. Please refrain from generalizing such a large audience.
When I saw the ending of She-Ra, it literally made me cry. I'm not lesbian but I am pan, and to see this complicated childhood relationship evolve into a beautiful wlw relationship at the end reflected my own romantic experiences with femme people growing up. It was just this incredible moment of feeling seen. A lot of the wlw relationships you mentioned throughout this were super important to my teenaged self too, I just didn't realize why that was at the time.
@DarthYuYevon Ehh, sexuality is a spectrum. Besides it did have a bunch of opposite-sex couples if someone was looking for that. Although I think the straights could also enjoy the fantasy/sci-fi/adventure and just friendship parts.
@DarthYuYevon it's still may be for everyone, most adults won't watch the show because it's cartoon but even if their are not majority of audiences it still can be for them.
It's also important for straight kids to see the show so it will normalize lgbtq+ in their life.
@DarthYuYevon I only said that as argument to your ,, its not for straights", I just wanna say that everybody can watch the show and take something from it.
And, not to accuse you of anything but I recommend for you not to brining stuff like pedo next to lgbtq, it may come across as you are comparing the two.
Also, ,,Cuties" is this that weird film abut tworking kids? Yhe, that concept sounds really sketchy, I don't think any kid needs to learn how to express their sexuality.
@DarthYuYevon ok, I'll end it here cause it doesn't seem like you understand anything. No one is making you watch anything, I only wanted to say anyone can enjoy she-ra for different reasons and take something from it. Anyone from every part of the show. That's it.
I’ve felt so much better about my (mid)fat body because of Glimmer, She-Ra is such a good and important show!
No it isn’t
squattingheads excellent refutation. Powerful and brave. I liked the amount of detail you went into.
@@squattingheads yes it is
Same, I have a boxy yet mid-fat body
That was actually the first aspect of the show I completely fell in love with. Seeing Glimmer and Mermista’s character design made me soooo happy as I’d never thought I’d see princesses that kinda looked like me
This conversation is so interesting. I find it most interesting when I think about why I, a trans woman, have decided to stop watching Rupaul's Drag Race. I genuinely have stopped because it increasingly is catering its show to a more cis het audience. I don't know when exactly it happened but I used to love it and now it just feels all like a show not for *us* anymore.
i feel exactly the same way! i'm not cis either and both my partner and i are bi so we loved the earlier seasons of drag race. we still watch it but mostly to complain about how forced and obvious the editing is or to make the millionth fracking joke about rupaul. we enjoy being exposed to all of the great skill and talent of the queens so that's why we continue but it is frustrating to see how certain bitches get spotlighted because ru & co know exactly how their cishet viewers will respond.
i don't know if you've watched it already and it's definitely not perfect either but i highly recommend dragula!
Plus, RuPaul is transphobic, so the less people watching him the better.
Such an important observation! RuPaul has always angled his show for mass consumption, it is more of a window into the community (in an unflattering way) than it is actually about representation of drag culture. That is, at least in part, why the transphobia seeped in...
Also, cishets sometimes ruin things by simply having an opinion about it. That is what I think is also happening with Drag race...
I would say it started in AS2/S9 when it went to VH1 and then it went full force after the Emmy win the funny thing is Ru was at first against having drag race be so commercial and the switch is really apparent in the acting challenges
omg, that struck a chord in my heart that made me sad, yea you're so right
Crazy how the superwholock phenom feels like an eon ago when really it was, what... like five, six years? Internet time moves so fast.
Superwholock was really at its peak like 6-10 years ago. It has been a while at this point.
Even wilder is that while I clearly remember SuperWhoLock (alas), it has since spawned a MASSIVE subgenre called Omegaverse that I completely missed and has also... kinda died out again by now...?
@@NIRDIAN1 omegaverse is definitely not dead lmao. It’s probably the most popular smut au.
@@NIRDIAN1 not dead still popular with people even publishing actual books on it. Mostly m/m and some m/f. There was even a giant lawsuit and controversy over it.
I was fourteen sitting a library watching the LOK finale on my laptop because we didn't have wi-fi at home. When it happened, I felt numb. I thought I was dreaming or that I had superpowers and I had changed the ending in real time somehow. It was a historic moment, that often gets overlooked for the flashier, cough let alone more cartoony cough, Steven Universe.
I was crying on the phone with a friend lol
Purple Waves From a writing perspective, Korrasami actually makes sense, Asami was the only one who comforted Korra after her battle with Zaheer leaving her broken, she even offered to go with her to the Southern Water Tribe while she healed; and Asami was the only person who Korra wrote to during her final year of recovery, in this time they both realised their feelings for one another, Korra knew when Asami talked to her at the end of book 3, and Asami almost confessed to Korra in a letter(this was confirmed in the comic). We do see some signs in books three and four, Korra and Asami spend quite a lot of time together in book three and we see Korra blush at Asami in book four. It was rushed yes, but it wasn’t out of nowhere; it was rushed because Nickelodeon wouldn’t allow the creators to establish the relationship earlier in the show, and they were forced to do a non explicit lgbt ending.
I actually cried when it happened. I knew I felt it in my gut and to actually see it realized was just, wow. My gay ass was felt a lot of things that day.
@Purple Waves yeah that was my problem with Korra
@Purple Waves i feel like if nickelodeon wasn't homophobic and let korra and asami have more moments then it could have been so much better, but sadly no 😥. i still love the ship tho
can we talk about how Crazy Ex-Girlfriend had THREE bisexual main characters, on top of a bunch of other gay and bi main and supporting characters
Wait 3 bisexual mains? I'm counting two rn
Is heather bi? Or is that wishfull thinking?
@@anzaia2164 Darryl, Maya, Valencia. (also Rebecca as a 1.8 on the Kinsey scale according to herself).
@@nokocchi1983 i wouldn't call Maya a main character, but I do like that tho her sexuality started as an offhand joke (not at the expense of bisexuals), it becomes an important plot point in one of the last episodes
@@marias-i3333 thats fair
God I feel old seeing these shows being called someone's childhood.
It's normal but it hits you in unexpected ways.
Nearing thirty, I feel this.
@@Ghost-lt4sf I'm 32. When I grew up lgbtq+ representation was even worse
@@ArninoStorm I'm 40 this october. I mean, my thing was Buffy and Cardcaptor Sakura. How's that for old
I feel like from 20 and upwards life never stops hitting you with moments like these
@@ArninoStorm I'm turning 30 in a few months, and I remember as a teenager shows like South of Nowhere being so controversial, but so important for all of my female friends who were lesbians, bisexual and pansexual. We still need more, but I'm happy there's more representation now than a decade ago.
i've never seen that show but that clip of those two girls proposing to each other nearly had me in tears
Sense8, I'm guessing - I just started watching the actual video but it's a memorable scene. 😆
Great show. It's a shame we had to fight so much for it to at least have a decent ending.
It's sense8 and it's amazing
For real, that SOLD ME on Sense8
Sense8 represents so many segments (diverse in everything), written amazingly well (imho). It's very adult, doesn't shy away from anything, and is addictive.
As it should. Sense8 is such an amazing, brilliant, emotional show
I really love how the animated show 'kipo' handled one of it's main characters benson being gay
Kipo is amazing! I don’t see nearly enough love for it. Benson is adorable and I just want him to be happy, omg.
Everything about Kipo is awesome 💖
SPOILERS FOR S2
I was rewatching w my partner just now and I am now appreciating that Benson did the anchor stuff. Wolf had been established as close to Kipo by then, and they could've just dropped Benson into Benson-and-Dave when with Kipo and Wolf.
Im so glad to find people appreciating the beauty of kipo be it characters, storyline, design, i was genuinely blown away by it! And jamack gave me uber over the garden wall vibes which is an instant like!
@@alphabettical1 agreed, i was worried that they weren't gonna build up on the bond between benson amd kipo established in s1 but the writers really pulled through
There's actually an anime called "Bloom Into You" that has a character who is possibly asexual because she doesn't feel sexual feelings for her partner but still may have romantic feelings for her and her partner is very clearly a lesbian or even possibly bisexual. And they not just make for good representation for how they are portrayed positively but also, their relationship is one that is complicated and explores many important ideas of what it means to love somebody.
My friend really loves that story, I've heard nothing but good things
@@TheCreed1217 I highly reccomend it. It's a very beautiful anime. I was genuinely surprised the first time I saw it.
@@nanananananananananananana9430 She isn't asexual (maybe graysexual, but it's not made very clear), but I can definitely see where that impression comes from with only half the story being adapted in anime so far. One of her friend (Maki I think he's named?) is explicitly asexual and aromantic though, so you can still find that representation there.
@@legrasmartin200 I think she still falls on the ace spectrum. demisexuality (feelings of sexual attraction only beginning to develop after a deep emotional connection is made) is still aspec. If someone was watching the anime alone, there'd be no indication she wasn't ace.
@@dominiqueknight6707 Agreed, she definitely is somewhere in the ace spectrum (especially with only the show in mind), but she isn't as explicitly portrayed as such as her friend. I've seen people getting a bit disappointed by that in the past, which is why I'd rather specify that it's not really clear cut in her case (even less so in the manga)
Personally I would love to see more gay trans couples because it represents me. Sense 8 was AMAZING! More people of color would be huge to see in media, especially gay and trans characters in show where the majority of characters aren't white.
If you haven’t seen it already, there’s “Her Story,” (not the game) a miniseries on TH-cam for free. It’s about two trans women navigating love; one is in an abusive relationship and is tentatively entering another one with a gay woman (and both have their own hesitation about what that means for their respective identities) and the other might’ve found a great guy, but struggles to disclose her identity to him out of fear of losing what they have.
It’s not only stars trans actresses, but was also written and directed by trans women.
I haven't finished Sense8 but season 1 Nomi and Amanita stayed making me cry.
Spontaniously I think of the (upcoming?) movie "Unsound". It is about a gay relationship and one of the men is trans. I personally think a lot of it is handled with a lot of sympathy, which I like. Also the plot about deafness, deaf culture and politics was very interesting. On the other hand, the majority of the cast is white (at least I read them as such) and the trans male character is played by a woman.
Let us never forget Nomi and Amanita
Haha when i was younger i always thought about how if a girl trans to a guy and likes guys is she gay or straight? Now i realize it doesn't matter, whatever it is, It's not my problem.
Mulan deserved to get over Aurora and have a lovely princess wife in a spin-off where she, Dorothy and Ruby investigate crime together.
I'm a bit sad Robin & Alice are always put under the rug. When they are technically the only good gay couple of the show. They are very cute. And yeah it took almost a decade for ouat to arrive to that lol but those two were really good representation (Still white, but good representation nonetheless).
I love Mulan and I love Jamie Chung with all my heart. The scene were Mulan gets heartbroken had me shook and meant so much to me back then, because it was freaking mulan!!!! and because I was still hanging to every shred of representation I was given. How so very little felt so huge? I actually dropped once upon a time before the Ruby found Dorothy bit. I loved Ruby, but yeah dorothy was an unknown and it was very like straight gay, as I recall, since they were too afraid to upset the dumb straights at the time. Their only scene I recall is the kiss one.
Anyway, I only saw the Robin & Alice part via youtube clips but dude, it's actually freaking good !
So anyway, can Alice & Robin be part in the spin off? I think Robin would make a fine apprentice for Mulan.
Bruh, the toxicity from Supernatural.
Nomi and Amanita will always be my main reason for watching Sense8
Yuuuuus! The whole time got me freaked-out paranoid that they were gonna kill Aminita tho. Stressful!
Bringing up them trying to discount someone because they are half Mexican hits close to home. I'm mixed african american and irish. But because I much lighter I have always been pushed out of being considered a PoC. It especially hurts because my mom, who is black, encouraged me to just say I'm white my whole life. I always hated that but as I get older and experience more things it's hard to say if she was right or wrong.
Point is the "not X enough" thing is hurtful imo
Im mixed african and irish and its so painful when each side of the family “rejects” you because you’re not black enough or white enough
I’m Native American and Irish and am MILK WHITE but am fully a tribal member and ethnically native as well. My whole school career was being told by teachers and other kids that I’m not “really” native and that i should just pick the white bubble. So many people can’t handle the nuance of being mixed race because you don’t “””””””””look””””””””” enough one way or the other.
I relate to that so much... and growing up in a country that pressures you into assimilation made it really hard for me to push back and assert myself and not let my culture be erased and it fucking hurts when people say I'm not "diverse" enough, as if my culture and heritage only matters when it comes from my white side... it's just the same bs I got from white people, but with woke language slapped on it. Also I am really racially ambiguous so people get to just project an ethnicity onto me to fit the narrative they want to see me within...
@@nealeellis4455 wait holy shit I can relate kinda. im mixed kenyan on my mother's side and english/irish on my father's side and im either too black or too english to be irish (despite the english and Irish parts literally being the same, I just have an english accent because I grew up there). it sucks because I want to talk about ALL of the countries my family is from but people always try to erase at least one of them and it sucks
@@meandkitty8387that sucks
The tribute to Naya!!! ❤️ I said on twitter last month how it dawned on me how at one time, the most visible lesbian character in media was an Afro Latina woman and how amazing that was. I really hope adult and live action media starts catching up to children’s’ animation in terms of diversity on and off screen. I know it’s not easy (and people like Stevenson and Sugar have suffered extreme stress fighting for themselves and us) but considering “think of the children” is literally the excuse used to exclude people, it’s just odd that it IS children’s media making leaps and bounds over things for grown adults.
Representation through side characters just doesn't give the audience the same thing as a main character or mc couple being gay, though. Shows are usually giving you the message that the side character is expendable and replacable through their use of them, and they don't get fleshed out as well. That makes investing in them, or inventing ships more difficult for the viewer.
This, I’m so happy to see more queer characters and couples but it bothers me that to this day it’s usually a bestie type of character rather than a nuanced one unless I dive into drama which is not my jam
"wincest" oh no i do not like that name
Melina: *mentions asexuality*
Me: "What's this? I've been noticed!"
exactly
frrr
screams from the depths: i've been awakened
Everyone seems to remove ace rep when it comes to Entrapta, everyone says she’s bi but she’s never shown any attraction towards anyone
I love your profile pic
Kaite McGrath just exudes WLW energy in every roll she plays. Her Lucy pining over Mia in Dracula is so real. Also Alex and Kelly are adorable
I really wish that Dansen and Nia got more screentime. I feel like they didn't get very much at all in S5
Me, who has not seen almost any of the shows mentioned: YOU TELL EM! You're right! Brilliant perspective!
She-Ra, Steven Universe, The Dragon Prince, Kipo and The Owl House do lgbt representation right!
DarthYuYevon There weren’t really many options, what did you expect? Callum and Soren? Rayllum is a good relationship, it’s not forced
DarthYuYevon What they’ve done with Rayllum is good, and we’ll probably be seeing Amaya and Janai in a relationship
I love the dragon prince so much
@DarthYuYevon They definitely didn't force a hetero relationship. Rayllum was set up from the start. I myself am gay and I would have loved to see the show focus around an LGBTQ+ relationship, but they went with Rayllum. They were well set up, each character was written as individuals rather than as love interests, and they make sense together. It's not much, but the two queens and the blooming ship between Amaya and Janai feels natural and is enough representation for the fandom currently. Nothing in TDP has felt forced so far, nor have I seen any of the "others" you are referring too.
wait there was lgbt representation in the dragon prince? WHERE
Thank you for discussing asexuality. It would be amazing to get any representation. With that being said, I would love to see more transgender representation. Especially transgender relationships.
She-Ra was amazing for representation and diversity. I'm so sad it ended and we won't get more.
A trans ace could be a great character.
@@evlynm I would literally cry for joy if a well represented and written trans Ace character was created.
I think Tod in Bojack was an amazing exploration of asexuality. I am Pansexual so... I’m open to being corrected. But I liked how it was a central part of his identity that wasn’t fetishised or treated as something that needed fixing. Anyhow I think BoJack Horseman shows that we can have dynamic asexual characters and it can be a positive contribution to a show’s narrative. I hope other showrunners follow their lead.
Yeah😢 I love She-Ra! I'm definitely rewatching it
It's ridiculous that the f-ing Love Boat TV show was more trans-forward in the 1970s than any show now.
One of my favourite portrayals of queerness is the entirety of the show Black Sails, which no one gives a fuck about anymore except me and maybe three lesbians on tumblr. The way in which it was messy, gut-wrenching, complicated, emotional and so rich but also explicit, central, so well written and not limited to one singular character (literally WHO is straight in Black Sails tho) rocked the boat for straight people (pun intended). The show ran from 2014 to 2017 and it was in the vein of shows like vikings and game of thrones, or at least that's how it baited people into watching, thinking it was another period show about macho men killing and politics or smth. It's by no means perfect but to me it means that we can have queerness at the core of any show and have it be just "like a straight show" in the sense of plotlines and aesthetics except it's not, and it's lgbt elements are intrinsecal to it. Another show that has groundbreaking rep and i don't see it being talked about nearly as much as it should is Everythings's gonna be alright. The show is a drama/comedy created by Josh Thomas, who is gay himself and it's about him and his two half sisters dealing with some heavy family stuff (minor spoiler warning i guess), it not only features at it's centre, a mlm interracial couple that's not only hilarious but also very real-like feeling, but also a wlw couple between two autistic women, played by ACTUAL women in the spectrum (who are also, sensitivity readers for the show!). I cannot recommend it enough for so many reasons other than this, it's fantastic.
We are allowed to demand more without down playing what we already get from the media we watch, and what we get should be allowed to be complex and rich and silly and interesting.
Completely agree about Black Sails! It gets left out of conversations about representation so often which is mind boggling to me.
Black Sails fucking SLAPS
this sounds interesting, thank you for the rec
Black Sails is AMAZING!!! James Flint is one of my favourite characters in all of fiction!
For a show with gratuitous lesbian scenes in the first few seasons, Flint's storyline was fucking incredible.
I remember when I fond out the "twist" to his story, i pretty much cheered (and I'm a straight white dude).
my favorite animated LGBT rep is Tuca in Tuca & Bertie. as a bi woman, i feel like so many people (both inside the bi community and outside) are so fearful or having bi characters that are really sexually active, have casual sex with people, cycle through many relationships etc. while i know this is for a valid reason, i’ve always been kinda sad that we weren’t getting the same representation that straight women have access to. when i saw Tuca being so wild and free and making mistakes while still being true to her messy, sexual self, i felt so heard. can’t wait for S2.
This problem has a simple solution from my perspective as an artist. The issue is writers trying to please everyone until no one is happy. I write for me. My story is written how I want. Simple as that. My characters are lesbians if I say they are. They're bi when I say they are,gay when I say they are. This also applies to my straight characters. If I say they hetero,they hetero. You have to be arrogant enough to feel that you know the truth of your own characters. They speak to me. They tell me what their racial and sexual identity is. If you don't have a precise vision of your characters,if your not hearing them like their nigh external,alive on their own,then it's not good yet. People in real life don't please our praxis. You meet a cute girl that you adore and she's straight as a ruler. Market symmetry isn't writing because life doesn't ever work that way. Characters should never be exactly what an audience would want.
This is why I appreciate Dana Terrace and her views when asked about Owl House. “I’m a bisexual woman and want to write a bi character that’s like me.” Writing a character that resonates for you because you want you. I am overjoyed that we are getting to a place in media where a creator is able to do that and have it go forward, without pressure in any direction.
Very helpful advice. Thanks so much!
I do have to admit that in some cases it gets complicated. Animation/TV series is not only collaborative because it requires a lot of writers giving their opinions to the creator/show-runner, but it also depends on if the studio will give you money to continue on.
The only thing that would have made this better as someone who’s not involved in any fandoms, is photos and show titles for ship names because I only recognised kora, superwholock, and bumbleline. Great video and super interesting and informative!
Same. Loved the topic and content but the abbreviations/codenames lost me sometimes 😅
Same
Yes, this would've been a great help in an otherwise very interesting video.
Can I add the Umbrella Academy? They have very great pansexual and bisexual representations so far, my favourite, really.
I love that Klaus never apologizes for or explains his sexual orientation
I won't say a relationship happening offscreen in season 1 good representation, though.
Nitenshi I agree, though I’d say they represent Klaus as a pansexual person really well. But the struggle against discrimination and homophobic beliefs in the 60s from season two is done really well.
@@Medatreeme Yes, I agree, season 2 was pretty good in that regard.
I was so happy when Vanya got a girlfriend in s2. Watching her date Leonard I'm s1 was painful (not cuz he was a man, but because he was a piece of shit and they had zero chemistry).
As someone who came of age in the 90s, I’m consistently amazed by how critical young people are today about representation. It’s a good thing, I’m glad we now have enough that we can afford to be critical, but it does shock me sometimes. Never thought we’d get here. Steven Universe would have blown my mind as a kid.
She ra made me cry the first time i watched it a yr and half ago. Came of age in the early 2000s when it was mostly queerbaiting and some subtext if ya closed your eyes and ignored or twisted some stuff. I think south of nowhere was my only good representation.
"Plan to stay the night, I like to cuddle" best pickup line ever.
God they did Danny so dirtttty he was my absolute faveee
"Until they killed Allison"
I loved the horrifying and sudden moment of Allison's death. It felt so like "this is the cost of fighting evil" kind of moment.
But yeah, I will never forgive them too. >:(
Melina, we are going to need that ATLA/LoK video. Even more so if Netflix's adaption keeps on.
Shadowhunters the tv series has a secondary character who is canonical asexual. The vampire Raphael is both a person of color and asexual. I love it so much.
Also an interracial main mlm couple.
The show Raphael is not asexual only book Raphael. In the show they Made him have a very toxic relationship with izzy
@@sergiovela7686 didn't he clarify he didn't want sex out of said relationship?
@@luiza.limaneves I don't remember exactly, but drinking blood is coded as an erotic/sexual experience. Also book Raphael is probably aromantic since he doesn't want any type of relationship
@@sergiovela7686 ah i see, thanks for the clarification!
The Legend of Korra was so great in so many ways. This show changed my life and continues to do so today.
Thank you for including Amanita and Nomy, I just finished Sense 8 and being a person of trans existence Nomy might not have lit fire up my loins but my god was it well written. and the ending of both of their storylines felt so beautiful and it was one of my biggest crying moments in media.
So glad we didn't get into the Clexa thing because I'm still salty about that. I didn't even watch the episode I was spoiled on instagram when I was like two episodes behind and decided you know what I'm going to go re watch Carmilla for the millionth time.
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I'm just salty over this entire show to be honest. It's could have been a pretty dang good story about coming together and building yourself back up but it's just super colonialist and makes me want to throw up all over myself.
Lexa deserved more than this show.
i don't know if you've seen atypical (its a netflix original) but i was kinda annoyed about how they made two characters bisexual; izzy and casey, but had them both cheat on their boyfriends in order for this to happen
Atleast Cassie confronted the fact that she needs to come clean about her relationship to her bf
We need good stories involving asexual people. Stories involving asexual characters can explore truly unique philosophical ideas.
Yes, and also aromantic characters.
honestly i think featuring the stories of ace and aro characters would definitely help dampen society's obsession and fixation with romance and sex, namely this weird idea that people (specifically women) require romantic relationships in order to be truly three dimensional beings, and that sex is the ultimate goal for men and if you are a man who isn't having sex then there's something wrong and less than about you. it would be beneficial for everyone to see these kinds of stories and experiences on screen!
@@anishinaabae For sure. We got Sam and Frodo as a great example. It'd be nice to see more women playing off men (and any and all gender expressions) with these kinds of intense platonic love bonds. Like ride or die, but no "will they/won't they" and "friendzone = lose, hookup = win" shit in it.
Yes.
They weren't openly ace or aro, but alot of characters in "Dirk Gently's holist detective agency" present as such, and its just an overall great show if you're looking for something to watch!
Glee was far from a perfect show. It failed in a lot of ways, but Santana really did change my life. It was a big deal to see a young, strong, nuanced mixed-race woman of color go through a journey like her's on primetime TV. And her character went so far beyond her sexuality. It's no accident that Santana went from a stereotypical, expendable background character to so many people's favorite character. Naya continues to put so much strength and love into the world. She saved more lives than just her son's.
I really, REALLY love the emphasis you do about liking something that's far from perfect or even problematic. It feels like an incredibly important thing to talk about enjoying something while acknowledging its flaws (especially with rising levels of labeling in the one-sided extremes). Thank you for that!
I think the end of Bojack had decent representation in Todd and his partner Maude, who is voiced by Echo Gilette an asexual person (who is also on TH-cam!!). While the characters are definitely put up for laughs, their sexuality isn't. There is also a lot of exploring Todd with his ace-ness as he comes to understanding his community and relationship with the community. It surprising how much they actually explored asexuality through Todd's character, that it wasn't only seeing an ace character learn about themselves, but was also teaching non-ace people about the experiences of many ace people when it comes to learning about themselves.
I'm not a cis white man but his experience was super relatable to me, a non-binary white person (I can't speak for non-white experience ofc). It also gave me hope that we may see more explicit representation of asexual people (that isn't super medicalized and viewed as a problem).
Almost all the Teen Wolf Hispanic Scott vs. white Stiles commentary I see comes from people who got into the show after season 1. I got into it mid-season 1 and it was in response to many people I knew going nuts because Stiles was, in their opinion, one of the best examples they'd ever seen of real, not Hollywood, ADHD. I think it points to how that aspect of his character got dropped as time went on that people who started watching later never mention it. Which sucks, because I will never forget that excitement of seeing myself reflected, and the fact that later viewers never seemed to experience that? Is actually sad to me. (The fact that neurodiverse rep is, like, 90% white boys is an issue, though).
How about that last season of Harley, the entire season's arc was about Ivy and Harley coming to terms with their feelings and attraction to each other. ♥️
I'm not even mad that it's a spoiler because it makes me so happy for the next season to come out in my country
Yeah but it was based on cheating
@@shanelysamboy2013 A common enough thing in lgbt anything sadly
@La Maci True but i mean that was kind of the point of this video, that lgbt relationships can be extremely messy and its valid to both love it and not fuck with it for those reasons. it just matters that they're there
@La Maci like hets get the same stuff all the time, and one of which (Pam and Jim) is adored by audiences despite being similar in that it was born through cheating
Your hair is always *mwah* chef's kiss perfecto
Thank you so much for bringing up Ace representation. So often we're left out of the conversation, and it's incredibly othering. I was so looking forward to Jughead in Riverdale being a main Ace character but sadly, we didn't get that. And on top of that, I also feel that as representation increases in complexity we also need to be having better representation and on-screen conversations about sexual fluidity but I don't think we're there yet, sadly.
I love killing eve to death. But I can acknowledge that it's in no way a perfect show, especially in regards to diverse characters and diverse lead characters. It becomes an issue when fans act ignorant about it because they don't want anything to be wrong with their favourite show. No show is ever perfect, no show will ever be perfect, but they can change and listen to fans' responses regarding diversity
I'm sorry could you explain to me how killing eve doesn't have a diverse cast of characters? Genuine question, I'm not being sarcastic
I dont think i've seen a single show with someone who is nonbinary or gender fluid.. i cant imagine how people who are apart of those communities feel, especially younger kids who feel as if its wrong. they need to be shown there is nothing wrong with being who they are !!
WE ARE TRULY BLESSED THAT OWL HOUSE EXISTS OMG- *cries in lumity*
i dont feel like Bubbline got enough credit in this, especially compared to Korrasami. they explicitly kiss, which is not subtext. Marceline is Black. in *Distant Lands* (which i know aired after this video), Princess Bubblegum refers to Marceline as her girlfriend. they have a breakup sequence but they grow old together.
I love Bubbline and yes, I know that they do explicitly kiss but it was four years after the Korrasami moment. Which is why I didn't focus as much on it, but there is no doubt Bubbline is iconic and Marcy being a Black Biracial woman is def important
when I tell you I just rewatched Korra a month ago and started bawling as soon as you played the Korrasami clip... they were so important to me 😭 I was a teenage baby bi girl shipping them since early s3 and never thought it could actually happen. I was crying so much and so excited that day and I'll never forget it.
I'm just some straight white dude, but I feel like I genuinely care about representation, not just with the LGBTQ community but as well as how women are depicted in media. For me, I like when a character can be gay without it defining their ENTIRE character arc. But I also understand there are stories that need to be told where that has to be the main focus, so there's a couple examples of each:
The Wire - Kima Greggs. What an absolute badass character in general, but the thing I really love about her is how her storyline plays out. At the beginning of the series there were a couple comments about her being gay by the knucklehead male cops. But I absolutely love how her relationship with her girlfriend was depicted. She wants Kima to stop being a cop and raise a family, while Kima is drawn to her job and isn't prepared to be a mother yet, but doesn't really convey this properly. It's like normal relationship drama, but played out between two women. Nothing about that stuff had to do with the fact she was gay, and I feel like that's actually proper representation... your sexuality shouldn't make up 99% of your character's motives in EVERYTHING.
Shameless - Ian. I fell off watching this show cause I started to finding every character's decision making to be infuriating...but the first couple seasons I really enjoyed Ian's storyline. Both the way he was portrayed, and Mickey's closeted homosexuality had a sense of realism to it. This is when using a character's sexuality as their main storyline is done properly.
The Deuce - Multiple characters. HBO's show about New York, and the sex industry in the 80s really hit the AIDs crisis over the head, and I enjoyed some of the aspects of that stuff, but a few more specific things really got to me. Firstly there's a closeted politician who goes to underground sex clubs to have sex with men, and when someone mentions the word gay to him he basically freaks out and says "I have sex with who I want, no need for labels". I actually thought this small scene was kind of powerful. Why does having sex with other men automatically make you GAY? I was kind of like "score one for the BI's!!" lol. There was also this cute relationship between a prostitute and her caring gay neighbour. I have a joke where I say "well I'm probably 90% straight...the other 10% just REALLY loves DIana Ross". There's a scene where the gay neighbour (who works in costumes for film) pulls out an original Diana Ross dress like it's a rare artifact. It kind of confirmed my joke is based in some truth lmao. The characer, Reg, is depicted so humanely I just really liked him a lot. On top of all of that, the show manages to treat sex workers with some humanity as well.
Black Sails - Name retracted for spoilers. Someone in the comments already mentioned this show. I remember pretty much cheering when the huge "twist" was revealed for one main character. I don't wanna say too much because it is very spoiler-y. But this is another example of how one's sexuality can be the driving force for their storyline and it doesn't feel shoe-horned in. Of course this show has gratuitous lesbian sex scenes too, but you cant win em all I guess?
Master of None - Denise. I just love Lena's character in this show. She's like "one of the boys" but through the lens of a gay woman. I saw that character wasn't supposed to be black or gay, but they re-wrote it for her personality, and I feel it really shines though. I think I like this character because she's gay, but she's also the same as everyone else. We aren't so different after all! Haha, but really conveying a gay character like this is important to people who aren't gay. They can see them more as just a person rather than specifically a gay person. Shows like Will & Grace were important for representation, but I feel it made gays more of a stereotype. This kind of character just feels like a real person, and someone you'd like having in your group of friends.
i wrote the black sails comment but totally forgot about shameless! i had the exact same feeling towards it as you. up to maybe season 5 ian and mickey's relationship consumed me, but then it totally lost direction and the writers kept pushing them apart and hinting at them getting back together and getting better because they knew it drew fans in. Mickey is to this day one of my favorite characters on tv.
@@valenfr01 lol I just got fed up with Fiona....and if Lip is "so smart" why does he make such stupid decisions. But still, William H Macy was amazing on that show.
Every time I remember how Superwholock overtook tumblr I feel exhausted all over again. Nothing wrong with the idea in theory, but some parts of the fandom were next level.
I'm so upset about Mulan...even when I was a kid a picked up on the tension she had with other women and I was just so disappointed
"where we no longer need to rely on just subtext"
me, a trans person who literally can't think of any trans representation: 👁👄👁
especially gay trans characters. i've never seen one good or bad.
@@thatoneepicenealex7432 the L word genaration q
Omg I know one!!!
Go watch "cable girls" on Netflix.
It plays in Spain when women weren't allowed to vote and one of our main cast 'girls' becomes Oscar who he was always ment to be and it's amazing to finally see some trans representation.
@@thatoneepicenealex7432 really go watch "cable girls" we get a good gay trans character
This is a weird one but Zombie Land Saga is an anime series about a group of zombie girls who become idols and one of the characters is a trans girl.
I know damn well The Legend of Korra wanted to have more explicit LGBT rep, because in the first issue of the comic taking place directly after the show (Turf Wars part 1) the girls kiss twice, Korra's dad actually mentions homophobia, Tenzin's sister comes out, the Air Nomads and Fire Nation were both accepting of same-sex relationships (until Firelord Sozin canonically invented homophobia). I am upset we didn't get confirmed representation on the show, but whoever's making those comics is definitely trying to compensate for representation lost.
Still sad Torchwood never got the respect it deserved. Jack Harkness was a heroic leader and unapologetically bi.
I think he is omnisexual. That's his official label.
SENSE 8 STILL GIVES ME SO MANY EMOTIONS OH MY GODDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD UGH JUST SEEING NOMI AND AMANITA AGAIN MADE MY BODY SHIVER I MISS THEM TO MUCH WE WERE *ROBBBBBBBBBBBEDDDDDD*
this is why I really wanted to see the Shiro/Adam relationship be developed in Voltron, even if it didn't end in them getting back together, i think it would have been great to see them resolve their issues or at least understand and support one another. i saw many people say Adam was toxic etc, but these issues are hard and it would have been better in my opinion to see these characters with a backstory navigate through that than having Shiro end up with a random character and no development at the end.
I honestly forgot about the Mulan and Aurora thing on OUAT( I stopped watching after a couple of seasons)So when that clip came up, all the pushed down memories of frustration that I had for that particular scene hit me like a truck lol.
I think that there's one more thing to bring up in this conversation, and that is that even with the progress that's been made we can never take that for granted. Push for more, absolutely, but also be on guard for hard regression -- for those who are the anchor trying to drag society to a dark grave will also try to drag us backward in the process. A lot of crazy and fairly unexpected things have happened in the last few years, so I think being wary is warranted.
After all, a lot of the progress in stories only occurred because it _finally_ became profitable to appeal to other groups besides just hetero/cis normative folks. And even still... they hedge their bets a lot of the time.
Yeah. I know people are very excited about the progress, and I am too. Progress does not mean stability, though. Progress isn't an indelible checkmark that can't be erased. Magnus Hirschfeld was doing amazing work in Germany for decades, helping gender nonconforming people to get the IDs they needed to be safe on the street and developing the first hormone therapies for trans people, as well as all of his other research for lgbtq folks. Then 1933 came around. Hitler was elected. Hirschfelds institute and many of its documents were destroyed. We know what else happened. Now there are people claiming that transness is a new fad, in part because this progress and documentation was erased. I don't assume any of this is guaranteed to stay. I want people to enjoy and support progress, but I hope at least some of us can remain vigilant as well.
there's a Japanese movie called His (romanized) that's REALLY great. it's about this man whose ex-bf shows up several years after their break up with a kid from a marriage he forced himself into to feel straight, and the movie is just a really amazing character study of these two men's complicated relationship with each other and everyone around them. it's not hyper sexualized in the way that a lot of mlm Japanese content tends to be (if you know, you know). the characters are messy and conflicted about their sexualities, but they're always treated sympathetically by the narrative without it making excuses for any toxic behavior. I really can't recommend this movie enough. it's been so long since I felt such an intense, personal connection with fictional characters' struggles, and it's an absolute CRIME that it's so hard to find (as of right now the full movie is uploaded on youtube, I legit don't know where else to find it, but if you do, please let me know so that I can support this movie financially!)
Yusuf and Nicky from The Old Guard are the definition of couple goals
Ugh Katie McGrath as Morgana may have awakened fourth grade me
Regina Mills/ the Evil Queen from OUAT (Once Upon a Time) was my lesbian awakening
i relate so much. morgana 👀
boulderarms EXACTLY!!!
Great video. Especially liked the part about “messy, problematic representation.” There's this weird three-way false association a lot of people make between good representation, representation of flawless people, and representation they subjectively like. None of those three things are the same as any other.
Plus, regarding Shera, THEY ALLUDE TO ADORA AND CATRA (especially Catra) being hurt because of the severing of a stronger bond than just having grown up together. I'm ace and it took me a while to pick up on but then when it happened I was like "Ooooooooh!"
I miss sense8 so bad. 😭
I always remember empathizing a lot more with the more 'othered' characters in Disney movies
Which made it awks when people were asking my fav Disney princess and I was like "Ursula"
This whole video reminds me of when I watched "Assassination Nation" and then went on tumblr and despite the fact that it had a trans girl playing a trans girl as one of the main characters and freaking Princess Tiana herself Anika Noni Rose as a mother to two of the girls in the main character group, one of them being her biological black daughter and the other an adopted/foster child, and the whole movie was feminist AF, tumblr was hyperfixated on Bill Skarsgärd!
Another great, timely video! R.I.P Naya Rivera❤️❤️🕊
P.S- I would love to see you cover LOK (and Korrasami) again, but I just KNOW there will a little bit of Bolin slander and I’m not prepared for that😅😂.
Thank you for pointing out She-ra. Watching it with my kids was one of the best experiences I have had.
Boy oh boy do I remember those 2012-2014 tumblr years...
She-Ra is awesome! So glad I watched the 5 seasons on Netflix.
I wish that there were more trans masculine aligned characters because I only know of a couple from podcasts and from books and I really can’t think of any afab characters from tv shows and it’s so frustrating
And aside from literally one relationship in a podcast (Juno steel and Peter Nureyev) I cant think of any trans masculine aligned characters that are in a gay relationship
Tooru Mutsuki in Tokyo Ghoul:Re is a gay trans man basically canonically. A lot of people argue over whether scenes depicting him describing his gay attraction to the lead as womanly or describing being clocked while stealth as "they knew I was a girl" as disproving it, but he lives his entire life as a man and these things happen in the midst of struggling with huge amounts of trauma.
Not for everyone of course, you could say it's all trauma porn but there's this scene where his friends stop him from committing suicide which is just... It's so powerful. To me he's neurodivergent gay trans male rep.
Note that he's one of two characters in the show who are tortured and the show is full of horror and gore. Also the fan base is very toxic.
@@spirals5159 Oh! And one manga written by Yuhki Kamatani, an x gender asexual author, has a really well written trans male side character. Our dreams at dusk is about a gay boy struggling with bullying who comes to learn about and make friends with other lgbt+ people, has one adult trans man and a kid who's uncertain whether they're a cross dresser, non binary or a trans girl.
Paul Strickland in 911 Lone Star is a transmasculine character played by a transmasculine actor.
sigi notmylastname I just started dusk till dawn I wasn’t aware there was a trans male character in it yet!! Well I’m definitely going to have to finish it then and Tokyo ghoul isn’t super my cup of tea but it’s been a bit since I gave it a shot so I might try it again
As an ace person I don't struggle with representation. Everyone is ace to me until proven otherwise. Maybe that's just me though.
As a fellow ace, it might be just you? I see where you’re coming from, though. In real life, I don’t really pick up on the subtle art of sending “signals” to one’s preferred gender.
I personally struggle with it because I haven’t seen it. If I don’t see it, I don’t identify with it, and therefore can’t fully connect with the characters that uphold the heteronormative standards Hollywood beats into us every day.
“House” had an infamous episode where he basically proved asexuality to be a myth (the wife was lying and the husband had a brain tumor preventing him from being sexually attracted to women). “Brave” was counterproductive because by the end, they still encouraged her to “fall in love” and choose a suitor.
I haven’t really seen any representation that just lets ace characters be alone, which is what a lot of us prefer. Series finales like to end with everyone getting a partner. That’s a whole other can of worms, though...
Except for Todd in “Bojack Horseman.” His choices were treated with respect and he wasn’t infantilized for being inexperienced in adult fun times, and they didn’t give him an endgame partner.
TL;DR: Hollywood as a whole just doesn’t give a shit.
Please tell me if you’ve seen more shows or movies with good ace representation. I neeeeeeeeed iiiiiiiiiit!
@@MaidOfPasta Hey, fellow lesbian ace here. I struggle with the same thing. It took me way longer than it should have to even figure out that I´m ace, because I had no idea it was a possibility. I haven´t seen much representation in the media either. Other than "Bojack Horseman" I only know of "Shadow Hunter" (the tv-show) that has an ace character, who is simultaneously a good and a bad representation. There are also the Hunters of Artemis from the Percy Jackson series. In the books they are basically portrayed as an imortal all girl gang who have sworn of relationships.
I think Harper Collins recently published a book with an ace protagonist called "loveless", but I haven´t read that yet.
As a writer I can absolutely agree that most character should be written like Shrodinger's cat: they're both ace and pansexual until their sexuality becomes relevant.
@@sophiagray8518 Loveless is by Alice Oseman, but the protagonist is indeed asexual and I believe aromantic.
what does ace mean? i’m curious to know
"humanizing lgbtq lives" and lives... can be messy. I love unproblematic relationships in media, they give me life, like garnet or a good friendship like Blanca and Pray Tell. But I still can appreciate the problematic ones like Elektra or Catradora, because it's human to have problems that can spiral, and it gives me hope they actually trying to be better as a person (I mean Catra, I don't know about Elektra)
I was watching Critical Role recently and I realized that I loved the gay representation in it. Two of the characters are lesbians, one of them is bisexual, and these labels are never brought up nor are their preferences ever "othered" within the world. However, I also realized that they all struggle to have meaningful relationships but the framework of the struggle is actually a deeply HUMAN struggle. It asks those questions like "Am I ready to give of myself what this person deserves?" and "Do I deserve to be happy?" which is so rarely a conflict presented in media where cis/straight people write LGBT characters. It's kind of like how interviewers will focus on trans bodies and not trans stories. Sometimes it's important to jump beyond that veneer and ask the bigger questions, and tell the deeper stories.
I'm only 10 minutes into the video but I just wanna mention that as someone who only watched a couple episodes of teen wolf but was deeply involved in the fandom for a couple years, I literally had no idea Scott was Mexican. I don't think I heard it mentioned once and I combed through that AO3 tag countless times. I'm just kind of shocked that this video is the first time I've heard that fact brought up at all, and I feel like it proves your point that the fandom failed to really even acknowledge that part of his character.
part of me wishes you had stuck around with teen wolf for a little while longer to see more of braeden and mason, but part of me feels like it was for the best. the actress who played braeden (meagan tandy, a Black woman) got SO much hate from sterek shippers for ending up with derek, and barely anyone in the fandom cared about mason (a Black gay kid). it was too much for me and i quit the show after season four. being in the tw fandom was EXHAUSTING
the dragon prince is another amazing show for representation of all sorts.
Just a side note: I don't know who you mean most of ths time. I don't really "ship" per se, and only know a handful of these labels through cultural osmosis (SuperCorp and Sanvers, for example). I know they're great shorthand for people in the know, but it's tricky to keep up with the couples when you don't even know the shows necessarily. I am *so* out of my depth. I may not be the targef audience, but I do like your content. I'm just lost, not trying to be mean or rude or anything.
Seconding this
I would've liked pictures or full names of the couples so i at least know what show/ character we're talking about
yeah i wonder if she could put image, names, or show in the background so we could know in future
Agreed!
@@mizjulio that'd help
the old guard looks like a normal action movie but the main characters name is andy and is played by charlize theron and it only gets gayer from there on in (also a black woman directed it so taste 💖)
i love she-ra so much. if you couldn’t tell by my pfp-
Creators confirmed Entrapta = ASD
"I thought that it was going to be Stiles and Derek and then it wasn't." That was my EXACT experience with Teen Wolf too, everything you said.
Man, Nomi and Amanita were real couple goals in sense8 ! I just loved them so much! My favorite was Kalang but let's be real, it's not the relationship I actually want 😂
I just wanted to jump in on the Tara/Willow thing, that's literally written as an allegory for having an addiction, the spell is supposed to be willow effectively gaslighting tara, and once tara finds out (in the following episode that's also possibly the best of the whole show) willow and tara do not get back together whatsoever until like, moments before tara dies. Just factually the order of events you described isn't how that happens.
Thank you! It's a messy relationship because Willow becomes an addict. Willow tries to get over her addiction to try to get Tara back. I loved how Tara (such a soft chacter) set bounderies.
@@ApequH Yeah I really love Tara's softness and the fact she never loses that. You can be strong and soft at the same time.