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I’m a L3 PA and I keep telling people there’s no way I would become an L4 AM. Getting paid once a month, working up to twelve hours a day, no holiday or overtime pay. And you have to come in on your days off and you’re not getting paid for it. I see why college graduates do it but unless you’re starting me off at 80k I can’t do it.
Shout out to the PAs! #salute And Emory please don't tell me salary employees don't get holiday pay at amazon, don't say that, are you serious? 👀
AM's get paid once a month??
I've been a L4 for about 9 months now, we don't get paid holiday but we're entitled to a comp day. Which is like a day off with pay, in California we get paid biweekly and so far I enjoy it and it's worth it.
@@liamluciano6555interesting, are u 6 am to 6 pm shift?
@@ASUV3323yes literally once trust me
There's a manager at my warehouse that is literally walking around and looking for people to write up. Like every day he's pretty much writing people up.
The certain people he doesn't write up even though he sees them on the phone he keeps walking. He only writes up the ones he doesn't like
The main reason I've heard for why they include stocks in your compensation package is to keep you invested in the performance of the company. The stocks aren't actually a part of your base pay, it's a hiring bonus that vests over 4 years. You get 5% your first year, 15% your second year, then 40% for the third and fourth year. This apparently encourages people to stick around as it'll seem as if your getting a raise for the first 4 years before "fall off the cliff" and start to only receive your base salary the 5th year.
Its a part of my base pay and others that I know as well and instead of them using my money to keep me invested in the company they should operate with the best practices and "highest standards" to ensure great performance from the company in which I want to be invested in the company. And yea I heard about that fall off the cliff as well pretty crazy.
I’ve been an L4 for 2 years for a small SC (external) but in my eyes the L6 role is CRAAAAAZY. Long story short as you move up, you do your boss/supervisors job for half the pay. PA’s got it made since they’re still hourly and can get OT/UPT etc.
I'm a current Packer, looking forward to moving over to Receive Vendor. Keep the videos coming.
Great video! I’ve had several supervisor roles and this happens in all industries. It’ll break you down. Lol
A.M got into a argument with op manger then the A.M just walk away and said I can’t do this no more but he came back the next day like nothing happen 😬
Yeap I've seen that happen a few times myself LOL crazy haha
You definitely have a point. I also thought about that.
Too much for me.
I was a supervisor at several DC's and I moved to different companies until I made DC Manager. I had to move because the opportunity to become a manager wasn't an option at a few of the jobs, so I decided to take my show on the road. Before I left any of my previous supervisor roles, I would get all of the knowledge I could, and I spent time with different managers to see how they moved in their role. Once the opportunity presented itself...I seized the moment! You have to be willing to move on and it doesn't hurt to embellish a little bit on your resume.😆
Definitely seen people move around to climb the ladder faster for sure! Good stuff!
Im in transportation right now (Tom Team). I love transportation, so I see myself staying here for awhile.
Is kind of like when you become a blue vest and get no extra pay but then all of the sudden you running everything cause if you don't then nothing gets done right. You learn everything and PA is the only logical solution... authority.
Also, bad managers can make working at Amazon absolutely suck. This includes lead PAs that like to micro manage. Ask me how i know.
I still think the PA position is the happy middle ground but if you want to eventually go executive your going to need that AM position. If you don't want it then stay PA.
Prefect break down fam! 100 percent agree!
I’m a 3 year RT AA.when I work OT with 5 ,10 $ or less incentive I get paid more than PA and AM. When you break down the logistics for the week. I do that ALOT..I’ve built a schedule doing days mon tue MET then RT nights to balance out my week. I do singles,smartpack,slam they move me around often so I’m not stuck ever doing the same thing which makes my job feel normal like 1450 a week
this is the way
In my eyes, if someone is willing to relocate at the drop of a hat every year or so (with that nice relocation bonus) an L4 area manager opportunity (typically becomes L5 AM pretty quickly) it becomes more worth it….. I keep meeting level 5 AMs at my new site (I just got promoted to Sort PA after 2 months as a T1, so I’m more so seeing the bigger picture now) who seem pretty happy with moving every year or so chasing relocation bonuses. These people seem happy with the pay, and actually seem like they are developing faster than level 4 or level 5 AMs who just stay at the same site for years. Thoughts?
I agree as long as they see some light at the end of the tunnel and have a path to get to that L6 then I think its worth it and I've seen the ones who bounce around move up faster. And if for the pay I think if its "good" or not is going to vary from person to person have any of them ever told you what their take home is after taxes etc?
The stock is also set up to have you not leave. You are awarded those RSUs a year in advance. I just got stock award for 2025. So every time you think of leaving, you think, wait...I have 50 or so stock shares coming up, so I should stay. It's kind of an abusive relationship. Stockholm syndrome. Continued luck to all. It can be a great place, but there are a few positions and a few bad managers that can really cause issues. I've met a bunch of great people and I have enjoyed a lot of the work I have done.
LOL rriigghhtt wow I didn't even think of that I received more stock like two months ago and yeap... its for next year smh. And I agree with your statement 100 percent those things play a big part on how you enjoy your journey with the company.
You can go from AM to hourly. Not sure how compensation changes. I've heard different things, I would talk to HRBP/Sr.
I just started as an am from college. I’m already supposed to be running the floor myself with no PA in week 3 and the work load is inhumane.
What department? Every department at okc1 has am's and PA's
How are you doing now with the job?
@@vincentalakija5515 pretty decent I’m 7 months in and I’ve pretty much mastered my role. Your going to need to be mentally strong especially in my building because the training was trash and I had to learn a lot of things my self. You will get overwhelmed and they expect. A lot from you very early. I’ve had more headaches from management than associates. Higher up leadership is out of touch. On the bright side the skills I’ve learned have been invaluable and will be very easy to get a better job once I hit the one year mark.
@@vincentalakija5515 I’m 7 months in. It was a real headache getting started due to the poor training and high expectations. This varies building to building. The higher ups are out of touch. You will get overwhelmed with how much work they expect out you. On the bright side the skills I’ve learned have been invaluable and I’ll be able to use it for my next job after a year. I Don’t plan on staying at Amazon longer that that.
How is it ???
Hey S.B !
Why amazon only open A.M and flex shifts now? Here in tampa I couldn’t get anything else! Any tips to be a blue badge in a week? Haha so I can ask to be transfered to another building?
I'm not sure but I think the open roles depend on business need in that specific building. And tips for the blue badge to use up all your time lol
It’s shade to the managers 😂 they are not happy with their job
Nah never throwing shade lol just speaking on what I've seen from my experience.
😂 bruh you sound like me. I’ve been in LTL for 17 years and when I got into management I was like “ I wanna be a ops manager then Terminal manager” after being a operations supervisor and seeing all the BS they deal with Im good right where I’m at
Lol crazy, glad your happy where you at!
The stock pay is a way to keep talent and make you an owner. It’s your project right? Saves the company or makes the company money, right? Their stock value goes up and if you believe in the company you HODL not “huddle” 🙃 and become an owner even if the stocks are restricted.
For me? No its not my project I would just like to do my job honestly you or "a company" can do their jobs great and a outside circumstance could affect the companies stock and it has nothing to do with your owner ship or how much you talent you have. I would honestly rather just take the pay instead of stock but that's just me.
I was told about a hiring/ promo freeze last year for new L4s. PAs in my region rarely get promoed till this day the cheat code is applying out of state. I don't see much difference of an L4/ L5 its more of expectation i guess with a littttle pay bumb. Amazon is a life style, some days we work less than 10 hours, other days we work more then 10
Yeap I did a vlog about that freeze and I agree I know a few people who got a promo by moving.
Now when you say "I got converted to L4." what do you mean? Did you open a building and were offered an automatic L4 position or did you have an interview?
Interview for the corp. position as a L3 then converted to a 4.
How does the hourly L4 position work exactly? I'm hearing Amazon plans to make all L3 salary positions employees soon, to have more control over time off and shift demand.
As hourly L4s we still get overtime 💪🏾 but we get stock to which is usually for salary. And if they make L3 salary that would be pretty sad that L3 is a come up position for sure
How did you go from "I quit Amazon" to "I'm an Amazon manager"?
Stocks are incentives. Sounds good when the company booms. Reality always points to economy shift. Covid was by far highest RSU spikes. Amazon will get more lean before it belly ups. But thats a long while. If Amazon goes belly up it would shift the economy.
Not in my package lol they were apart of my whole pay and right when the company booms and the opposite when it doesn't and fact that would def. the the econ hard!
@13:45 from my experience, nope brotha man you CANNOT go back to when you crossover to the salary side. You would of have to QUIT to go back. They won’t let you descend without quitting and getting rehired.
I didn't even know that I wonder why that is .
@@S.B. i think theyre just aiming to elevate. Im guessing going backwards down the ladder to them isnt an option and the idea of restarting should encourage one to stick it out.
Ok divide seventy thousand rsu in 4 years by 24 months then divide it by 160 hrs a month. I did not add the overtime they do not get and the tax. I can’t do it I don’t want that responsibility and the stock not adding up when I divide it
I hear you! I'm sure once you hit a certain level it pays off I"ve always been told L6 but yeaaa I'm alright as well.
I’m an AM. I see this position as a way to get your feet in the door to higher positions. Just got my L5 hoping in 6-12 months I’ll be able to get a program manager role. I’ve seen a lot people do 1 year as a L4 then another year as L5 before getting the program manger L5 spot in corporate. From what I hear it’s 20-25% increase from L5 am salary increase.
How much you making now?
@@IFWTC 70k base
@@KingVegeta90I'm curious is it easy to get the job of an AM, right out of college? I'm seeing a job posting for AM and I'm about to finish college in a few months
@@vincentalakija5515 it felt easy for me.
Hey SB just saw you video, im curioua but is it easy to get the job of an AM right out of college?
From my opinion doesn't seem to hard if there is a business need for it at the building your applying for it at they seem to have a lot of collage hires.
The economic portion of the point you’re trying to make. Is true but you have to understand no one controls the economy’s fluctuation. You either take a chance or not. But I understand the point you’re trying to make.
The economy is supposed to be bad, yet our volume keeps increasing, we ship the big expensive stuff as well.
Its wild out here Michael lets just make sure we use this OT to be in best position for anything that could change.
Reason why companies give stocks:
You have skin in the game, so you have incentive to do well, and it’s cheaper to give stock than base pay.
Definitely agree with the latter lol
Its good , bad and the ugly working as a L4 manager .the long hours with no overtime pay .having to pick up the dead weight another manager cannot carry .depends on the business line your work in as a manager .you got Fc ( fulfillment center ) Amzl ( delivery stations) , sort centers and Amxl along with amazon fresh etc other business lines .some can be challenging day in and day out .not all in bad and not all is good and every manager that can talk numbers and get promoted necessarily do not have people skills which can make the job even harder for you cause the associates moral now has been lowered .if you want to be a L4 just look into the business line you are going into and do some research before committing. Thats all i can say
I hear you and i've looked into it and worked with them, its a no for me at this moment.
@S.B. .every man have them own destiny .to get to the level 4 position sometimes a very hard fight dealing with the biasness and when you get there got to deal with all the extra headaches with really no incentives .cause it's tier 1s with overtime making 50k a year .keep doing what you doing and keep the videos coming .
@@S.B. and bad management can make it a very bad experience for the trying person .
What is the starting pay for a level 4 manager and is the pay every 2 weeks or weekly?
60k-75k salary
In the 60’s you get paid once a month.
I'll get the forsure numbers for you, I had them but I'll get the updated info.
@S.B. thank you for taking the time out of your day. Love your videos about Amazon
Wow thats it. All that work for that low pay. Might as well stick to truck driving . Geez. I can make $85,000 to 100,000 easily i just want something different . Been doing it 18 yrs
The favorites get all the critical roles
Every L4 manager I’ve ever met was miserable.
Everyone above that level I’ve ever met was arrogant, but also stressed.
You start going higher and they believe they’re gods.
The management team was always so stressed.
As security manager EVERYONE in the building would stop by and talk shop with me.
The GM would. The senior ops managers would. The area managers. Maintenance manager. Safety manager. Loss prevention. Learning manager. Procurement manager. People were so stressed
Crazy if I could sum up what i've seen with them and how they operate in one word... for sure would be stressed, but eveyone is different so there's definitely some who move well through it and it doesn't bother to much but yea once you get to know them and their comfortable with you they tell you how they really feel.
@@S.B. stressed is definitely the word. I see that some certainly excelled in the environment. Delegated well, and managed the day to day hurdles perfectly. Others would flip out. Usually those are the regional level people on the support side.
Are you ready my Boy
A stock is literally money. If youre afraid of it going down just cash it out once it hits your account.. literally that simple. From what i heard theres a pretty nice bonus you get all in one check when you accept and L4 and 5
Base pay + RSU + signing bonus
so internal promos get stocks now for L4?
At our corporate building yes I think its all corporate roles but not 100 percent sure that just came into play a little over a year.
They give you stock because if you quit before 2 years you lose it . They know most will not stay
That’s a point of view as well!
I lasted 2 weeks. Found a better job. Something a robot couldn't do plus I don't have to stand for 10 hours. If you're desperate for work , Amazon is an easy job to get.
Stock is long term wealth generation
Not with Amazon. Mark my words on that.
Do you have a discord group?
No not at the moment
What 😮!???????
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Salary no overtime
Right!
What is an L4
L4 is a level 4 and there's two types L4 salary or a L4 hourly.
I just quit my first warehouse job at Amazon few weeks ago 😂 couldn't take all the stress of rates with heavy ass items. At least my managers and PAS tried their best to work with me and even had compassion for my emorional ass and i will forever be grateful for them and the lessons. Even grown ass MEN would come up to me and told me i did the right thing by quitting bevause thwyre getting tired of packing all the heavy ass cages and its too heavy for them. While the old ass chinese ladies take whatever they want and got away with whatever. Well im already underweight and big ass men telling me our work is too heavy, i should be proud i even waited 2-3 months to quit. Its sad how work is not distributed properly sometimes so one person have to take more stress then the rest and if ur compassionate and dont know how to put urself first, U WILL GO DOWN AND GET FIRED for not breaking ur back for a company that wants to replace its associates with robots. I felt like i had to walk over people in order to reach the rates which wasnt even too bad (but not with all the cat litter honey) and guess what? I'd take the heavy cages on purpose sometimes cuz I'd see someone else do most of the heavy packing and getting taken advantage of. I guess i aint built for that lifestyle and its okay i just miss the people i loved, all my managers effort of trying to help me and deal with me, went down the drain.
LOL Don't feel bad fam the warehouse is definitely not for everyone and great to hear you actually had a team that cared about you! And that's something I have seen before for sure work not being distributed properly or even. Hopefully you get something even better!
@@S.B. thank you so much for sharing! That made me feel a lil better hearing it from someone like you, who's had all the experience and a lot of knowledge! I hope the best for you as well!
Word, my guy wasn’t tryna become the L 7
Negative not at all