As an INTJ, it's funny to observe we and you INTP guys tend to end up in the same circles (of deep thinking, science, philosophy, sometimes art as a way to explore the world), and can run into similar problems of being misunderstood and not seeing ourselves and our priorities much in others, while we have no function in common and think very differently! I get so puzzled when an INTP explains how they approach things (systems? That Ti-Si confuses me to no end), but once pushed and refined our reasonings tend to end up towards the same conclusions, because we're observing the same world, ultimately? And I find it super interesting
Firstly thanks the algorithm for letting me see this, and thanks to myself for not denying this video thinking I wouldn't acquire anything useful from it. This is a very good summary of some stuff that's in my mind that I haven't found the language to phrase yet. My experience as an intp: growing up was hard as my mindset is really different from the majority and I was seen as strange, weirdo, intimidating, outcast. I slowly figured out how to act in front of the external world through tryouts, analyzing human psychology, summarizing patterns. That took a lot of work, I'm glad to say I am at a decent enough spot now, and I feel confident just being myself sometimes just like now. There is definitely still communication and persuading skills to work on however that is not one of my top priorities at the moment and I am quite fine with how I am like right now to get through the current situation. As for the Sisyphus metaphor you used, I totally relate. As I got into my teens, I happen to be able to get pretty good grades and got an offer from an prestigious uni, but after trying that (working hard for prestigious uni) out I find a lack of meaning and motivation to repeat what I did again to conceal the offer, so eventually I missed the offer. I am a person that needs constant new experiences as data to help me mature and understand the world, and that thirst balances out with the unproductive side. Despite the prospecting nature of me, I still manage to do stuff for the sole purpose of doing things. I keep busy to stop the depressing state I go into when I am nihilistic, I keep busy to keep moving externally and not stay in the same place stuck internally. A summary of the video with some personal organization and understanding: • Nature: We are introverted, intuitive, rational, prospecting (flexible and opportunistic). We spend a lot of time inside of our own heads, thinking, explaining, analyzing, connecting the dots, summarizing the patterns, trying to make things into systems, trying to find the deepest truth we can, trying to figure out the universal theories and principles that we can apply in a certain situation, trying to understand to the absolute fundamental essence of things. • Critical: We consistently criticize. think outside of the box and are not afraid to break habits instead of truth when it doesn't make sense. We are not scared to pursue what is really the way we should do things. The world is full of problems, and we have the solutions, in our mind. We have principle-based decision making. People don't always want what they need people just want what they want. And we have solutions and teaching to give to the world. • Emotions: We honor emotions and feelings, but it doesn't get in the way of our thinking. • Downsides: We have strengths and downsides. Such as being bad with people, being easily distracted, being unproductive, being strange and isolated by the world, being a perfectionistic procrastinator, being hyper analytical. We don’t share our ideas persuasively because we lack people energy, and we might nit share our ideas at all because we are outcasts. • Passion: When we are given a task that doesn't make sense or is not what we love, we become like Sisyphus, accepting the rock but deny the mountain we need to walk to get there and eventually failing the task. • Unleash potential: We more than anyone else in the world can solve the problems. We have the the intellect. It's just about working on the things that keeps the intellect from flourishing. Realizing that all the things we think about is actually doable. Realizing to achieve all those things, all we need to do is work on our weaknesses, and get to work. We can fix our bad habits by doing it same way we research and learn other things: learn the reason, the pattern, learn what to do. • Power and responsibility: We have great strengths and if we work out how to unleash our potential, we are powerful. With great power comes great responsibility. "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Edmund Burke. Don’t just sit there and wait for what is gonna happen happen, be proactive and do something. Hope this helps or inspires.
What makes you think that the people who own the world deserve the benefits of our work? Honestly I think a big chunk of the narcissistic and selfish world needs to experience the full consequences of their decisions.
You care about humanity, a lot. You were angry when you wrote this or, I think, frustrated anyhow. I’ve felt that way, so forgive me if I think I am empathizing but only projecting. I do the work that I do because it is in my Nature to do it, to explore, study, understand, distill, reconcile, systematize and then teach. Is it vexing to you that people choose to suffer what they need not endure merely because they refuse to “think slow?”
The 3 biggest problems are greed, post purchase rationalisation and tribalism. Sorry bud but you can't fix those with intellect. You can't control other people's choices.
a) "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." - Margaret Mead b) Like you said in your other comment, it's likely that multiple societies implode before 2100, and guess what, some will weep, while others will work on rebuilding things. I'd say INTPs are great for that (less concerned with external world, return to principle-based decisions, imaginative problem-solving, rationality). c) I will positively influence the world or die trying.
@FrancoDavis To be fair sometimes the biggest catalysts of change are individuals. But there can be no movement towards improvement when the progress offered by great minds can be hijacked by the malevolent and nefarious. Tesla barely escaped plunging the world into tyranny by sharing his inventions out amongst different tribal factions. If he was a wiser man he would have kept a lid on his work or only shared it with the deserving. Working with JP Morgan was a big mistake. The same goes for all intellectual effort today. If you can't wrest control of the world's capital from it's current, most undeserving owners you would be better finding a way of withholding your path to progress or at the very least use misdirection to accelerate the destruction of our current power structures.
@@FrancoDavis Tesla narrowly averted plunging the world into tyranny by sharing his inventions before the state could swipe them all. If you're smart, be wise and make sure the unworthy don't get hold of your "progress" to abuse it.
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Great stuff man. Needed to hear this.
Happy to hear that!
As an INTJ, it's funny to observe we and you INTP guys tend to end up in the same circles (of deep thinking, science, philosophy, sometimes art as a way to explore the world), and can run into similar problems of being misunderstood and not seeing ourselves and our priorities much in others, while we have no function in common and think very differently! I get so puzzled when an INTP explains how they approach things (systems? That Ti-Si confuses me to no end), but once pushed and refined our reasonings tend to end up towards the same conclusions, because we're observing the same world, ultimately? And I find it super interesting
Different angle, same thing.
Firstly thanks the algorithm for letting me see this, and thanks to myself for not denying this video thinking I wouldn't acquire anything useful from it. This is a very good summary of some stuff that's in my mind that I haven't found the language to phrase yet.
My experience as an intp: growing up was hard as my mindset is really different from the majority and I was seen as strange, weirdo, intimidating, outcast. I slowly figured out how to act in front of the external world through tryouts, analyzing human psychology, summarizing patterns. That took a lot of work, I'm glad to say I am at a decent enough spot now, and I feel confident just being myself sometimes just like now. There is definitely still communication and persuading skills to work on however that is not one of my top priorities at the moment and I am quite fine with how I am like right now to get through the current situation.
As for the Sisyphus metaphor you used, I totally relate. As I got into my teens, I happen to be able to get pretty good grades and got an offer from an prestigious uni, but after trying that (working hard for prestigious uni) out I find a lack of meaning and motivation to repeat what I did again to conceal the offer, so eventually I missed the offer.
I am a person that needs constant new experiences as data to help me mature and understand the world, and that thirst balances out with the unproductive side. Despite the prospecting nature of me, I still manage to do stuff for the sole purpose of doing things. I keep busy to stop the depressing state I go into when I am nihilistic, I keep busy to keep moving externally and not stay in the same place stuck internally.
A summary of the video with some personal organization and understanding:
• Nature: We are introverted, intuitive, rational, prospecting (flexible and opportunistic). We spend a lot of time inside of our own heads, thinking, explaining, analyzing, connecting the dots, summarizing the patterns, trying to make things into systems, trying to find the deepest truth we can, trying to figure out the universal theories and principles that we can apply in a certain situation, trying to understand to the absolute fundamental essence of things.
• Critical: We consistently criticize. think outside of the box and are not afraid to break habits instead of truth when it doesn't make sense. We are not scared to pursue what is really the way we should do things. The world is full of problems, and we have the solutions, in our mind. We have principle-based decision making. People don't always want what they need people just want what they want. And we have solutions and teaching to give to the world.
• Emotions: We honor emotions and feelings, but it doesn't get in the way of our thinking.
• Downsides: We have strengths and downsides. Such as being bad with people, being easily distracted, being unproductive, being strange and isolated by the world, being a perfectionistic procrastinator, being hyper analytical. We don’t share our ideas persuasively because we lack people energy, and we might nit share our ideas at all because we are outcasts.
• Passion: When we are given a task that doesn't make sense or is not what we love, we become like Sisyphus, accepting the rock but deny the mountain we need to walk to get there and eventually failing the task.
• Unleash potential: We more than anyone else in the world can solve the problems. We have the the intellect. It's just about working on the things that keeps the intellect from flourishing. Realizing that all the things we think about is actually doable. Realizing to achieve all those things, all we need to do is work on our weaknesses, and get to work. We can fix our bad habits by doing it same way we research and learn other things: learn the reason, the pattern, learn what to do.
• Power and responsibility: We have great strengths and if we work out how to unleash our potential, we are powerful. With great power comes great responsibility. "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Edmund Burke. Don’t just sit there and wait for what is gonna happen happen, be proactive and do something.
Hope this helps or inspires.
Your story definitely inspires and I hope your summary will help people as well, thank you for this comment.
Systems!
Picturing a steam engine that burns horse manure
It is your duty to make this a reality.
You could build a hybrid car(riage)!
What makes you think that the people who own the world deserve the benefits of our work? Honestly I think a big chunk of the narcissistic and selfish world needs to experience the full consequences of their decisions.
Who said someone else should benefit? It's never been easier to make money independently and to then move to a log cabin...
@@FrancoDavis lolll ur good with helping intps break their thinking loops
You care about humanity, a lot. You were angry when you wrote this or, I think, frustrated anyhow. I’ve felt that way, so forgive me if I think I am empathizing but only projecting. I do the work that I do because it is in my Nature to do it, to explore, study, understand, distill, reconcile, systematize and then teach. Is it vexing to you that people choose to suffer what they need not endure merely because they refuse to “think slow?”
@@JeffreyLuhrsen-b7h Who hasn't been frustrated by people doubling down because of their ego?
Don't throw your pearls to swine.
lol
The 3 biggest problems are greed, post purchase rationalisation and tribalism. Sorry bud but you can't fix those with intellect. You can't control other people's choices.
a) "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has."
- Margaret Mead
b) Like you said in your other comment, it's likely that multiple societies implode before 2100, and guess what, some will weep, while others will work on rebuilding things. I'd say INTPs are great for that (less concerned with external world, return to principle-based decisions, imaginative problem-solving, rationality).
c) I will positively influence the world or die trying.
@FrancoDavis To be fair sometimes the biggest catalysts of change are individuals. But there can be no movement towards improvement when the progress offered by great minds can be hijacked by the malevolent and nefarious. Tesla barely escaped plunging the world into tyranny by sharing his inventions out amongst different tribal factions. If he was a wiser man he would have kept a lid on his work or only shared it with the deserving. Working with JP Morgan was a big mistake.
The same goes for all intellectual effort today. If you can't wrest control of the world's capital from it's current, most undeserving owners you would be better finding a way of withholding your path to progress or at the very least use misdirection to accelerate the destruction of our current power structures.
@@FrancoDavis Well said! Go get 'em >:)
@@FrancoDavis Tesla narrowly averted plunging the world into tyranny by sharing his inventions before the state could swipe them all.
If you're smart, be wise and make sure the unworthy don't get hold of your "progress" to abuse it.
@@FrancoDavis Don't let your "progress" get taken by the unworthy to be abused.
Cody Ko? Is that you?
Uhh, I don't understand...