What are you? The Mixed Identity Debate
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Victoria Kabeya, a Belgian historian and author, explains the complex world of MGM and multi-generational mixed identities.
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Multigenerationally mixed is also in scripture it’s in Torah and is part of the Hebrew term mamzer which also means illegitimate because you are of unknown origin. Typically multigenerational mixed would be mixed people who mix with other mixed people there is a difference of multicultural mix and multigenerational mixed as multicultural mix could be mixed culture like the lady in the video, but multigenerational mixed is typically a “biracial” person who mixes with other mixes over a number of generations. Lisa Bonet and Lenny Kravitz’s daughter Zoë Kravitz would be multigenerational mix as both her parents are mixed with Lenny having a black mom and a white dad and Lisa having a white mom and black dad and Zoë would be technically a multigenerational mixed white woman as she still has mixed lines as a female having one white grandmom and one black grandmom of where she gets her lines.
Yes, in Latin America and also what she touched on southern Europe as well as various other places there are many multigenerational mixed people. In scripture what is considered full is what today in BQ would be 75% or higher of a lineage such as Hebrew etc. which would be 3 to 4 generations of mixing back with that side also depending on the mix. It’s in Deuter 23. So someone like Barack Obama would be a 1st generation mix and his daughters second generation and depending on who they mix with that could be third generation or not so once the initial mix takes place depending on who is mixed with can determine the BQ levels.
Your guest seems to be multiculturally mixed of the same type people, but of different cultures such as Cuban, Jamaican, African etc. some of those people are the same but the cultures are different. So that is more multicultural than multiracial or multigenerational mixed although multigenerational mix can include multicultural and multiracial. Also not everyone was gRapred, when you look at stories like Chica De Silva in Brazil, she and the man with her were in love with each other although some do make points that power could have come to play as well.
Yep, the root branch of my family is French-Canadian (Caucasian) but there is Irish, German, and First Nation ancestry (direct & cousin branches). but I myself am a biracial Caribbean mulatto (with siblings); directly related to Italian and MGM Chinese-Latino cousins.
When are you going to cover Black Indigenous American aka Niji aka Aboriginal American history. We all didn’t come from Africa. Look up the Bonampak murals, Queen Califia, Los Probladores, and the Warshitaw Muurs. You cover everything else but Americas First Nation 🤷🏾♂️ come on sista our story deserves to be told too ✊🏾🪶🏹🙌🏾🗿🐢
@@etruscancivilizationright on sista!!!! And to be honest our so called European ancestry is probably not even white but Black Europeans instead we always giving white peoples credit for Europe when they are not indigenous to Europe and were invaders from the Caucus mountains!!!! Ancient people were all “Black” aka Brown we just had different cultures……all these others are nothing more than subspecies of us the originals ✊🏾
The Bible gives humanity the best possible explanation of how we should view each other”GOD created “ the first human pair,Adam&Eve, and using that as the foundation, we ask ourselves; which came first- The Chicken or the Egg? The answer is…The problem therefore is understanding how to Exist together without always highlighting our differences,dividing ourselves into groups thus weakening Humanity.❤>
My elders told me to check ALL the boxes. Enough said.
i will not erase my ancestors.
You're not erasing anything you are just classified as your prominent race & culture. People like you & her just want desperately to be recognized as European. Which no one will do because you're not.
Thank you!🙏🏽💯
My daughter is italian, spanish and black and I'm going to teach her to embrace all her cultures because they are all beautiful
Won't work
@@1titans Why won't it work? There are tens of millions of Afro-Latinos. Some of whom are famous actresses like Gina Torres or Zoe Saldana. Both of whom are also mixed-race. And don't forget about Miles Morales, Spider-Man. He's Afro-latino.
Sounds awesome. It would be great if she could learn both Spanish and Italian. Also, there are many Afro-latina actresses for your daughter to see on TV and film; for example: Gina Torres, Zoe Saldana, and Ariana DeBose.
@@ScoobySnacksYumremember the one drop rule
@@lanas3124 Indeed. A mixed person's identity depends on how & where they were raised. If Mariah Carey for example had been adopted by a European family and raised in Iceland instead of the US, she would probably identify as Caucasian because she resembles the Europeans. She never would've met Nick Cannon either and her whole R&B career never would've happened.
Caribbeans are highly mixed with everything, African, European, Chinese, Indian, Native American., Middle Eastern., probably the most mixed population in the world.
The majority of Blk Caribbean ppl are MGM African. However, I noticed that there’s a deep desire to claim mixed status. Similar to the guest.
With the exception of Cuba, the Dominican Republic and Puerto Rican the Caribbean is basically a black African region.
@@EthanSolomon-hh9uc Thank you for saying this, so many Blk Caribbean wanting to claim mixed status, why? There is no shame in being Blk.
@@acebutterfly2725Because there are so many other races in their lineage. But if someone is dark skin black then the automatic assumption is that they're sub saharan African. I'm proudly black, but I'm not going to act like I'm straight out of Africa. At that point, people will assume my past for me because the world thinks that all black look alike. And any dark skin with kinky hair has to be African.
@@EthanSolomon-hh9ucyes true but even those three countries have a significant population of black people, especially Cuba and DR. Trinidad is a heavily mixed population.
A lot of us have European or non African ancestry that didn't happen as a result of assault. Consensual relationships are also part of our history.
this is true and really important. I hate that it gets glossed over
Yes, there were reparations like that of Chica De Silva in Brazil where she and her husband were said to be n live with each other, but some do say that power comes into play in some of those relationships.
@@nytn Exactly! I'm not denying it happened, but let's keep it 100, how many English nobles took advantage of English servant girls? How many slave women were forced to mate with fellow African men? How many women back in Africa were forced to marry men who were often 30 years older than them? EVERYBODY has a history of sexual assault. Everybody somewhere along the line has ancestors who were the result of S.A. And even in marriage..... Baby, let's not act like we don't know how many women lived quiet lives in hell, domestic violence etc, of all classes because divorce and contraception weren't options.
@@bluetinsel7099 Even in marriages between aristocrats history is full of horror stories. Most people married for social obligation, not love. So many aristocratic women had to put up with domestic abuse, infidelity and if they were really lucky, they won the lottery and got an STD from their husbands.
The other thing people don't realize is that not every European in the colonies was a master. There were a lot of indentured servants working in the fields too. Not every person of color was a slave. There were many educated middle class people who married Europeans who were on the same level. It's complicated history.
You're from a Caribbean background, you're clouding and confusing things.
MGM....Thats pretty much every Black American, both light skin and dark skin, because up in our family trees you will find biracials, quadroons, and other non-Africans in there.
It would be interesting to see her DNA ancestry test results.
Ultimately, I think identifying by way of "ethnicity" instead of race is the best solution, not the MGM jargon thats being flung around nowadays. Ethnicity stays the same in every country worldwide, even when race changes. Example: a person can be Black in the U.S. and mixed in another country....but the Ethnic identifier doesnt change.
Right!! It includes almost every Black American Native
I am from Barbados and we are MGM. I have African, Jewish, Sardinian, Portuguese, Spanish, Tanio, Romany(Roma/Gypsy), Sicilian, Scottish, Irish, British, Middle Eastern, Norwegian, all pars of Asia and more. I do not identify as black nor would I for my son whose father is only of European descent. Our family is an array of completions and looks. I’m happy not to have a “category” other than a Barbadian Jew.
That's nothing to be proud of you Bajans are some of biggest YT arse kissers going..
I am mixed but it was not “voluntary “ because of the history of “.enslaved “ in our family .
Just became “brave” enough to say “Creole”. ( nothing to “brag about “.)
It was a “sad” story, not about “marriage at all.
I am mixed but my ancestors were free blacks who were married to white people. I found that in my ancestry in Mexico. They would have been descendants of slaves but finding black people in my ancestry who were mixed, and chose to marry white people found the marrige records from the 17th to the 19th century. That is something that would never ever have been allowed in the USA for example.
@@etruscancivilizationThat's not what it means at all. I'm of Choctaw and a few other tribes, French, German- Irish, Nigerian on my mother side and Choctaw, Irish and black on my dad's side. To be Creole, you must be multiethnic. There are too many Caribbean people who have mixed origins and they understand that they're Creole too. Haitian, Trinidad, Dominican Creoles. Saying that it's just differentiating foreigners is oversimplifying the history.
@@etruscancivilizationMost of my ancestors are indigenous to the Americas also. You'd have to explain to the Southern half of the US, the Caribbean and the rest of Central America why they can't be Creoles either. Like the OP said, it's not a name to be proud of, but most of the black and brown Americas have some sort of Afro/Euro indigenous history. It's not simple like you expect it to be.
@@90ejb You are incorrect. Not all creole people are mixed there are white creole people. Creole people are the white or mixed descendents of French and Spanish settlements in the West Indies and America (specifically the Gulf Coast) who have preserved their culture and unique dialect.
@@nikkidarkangelpnope8400 Them Whites was not Creole, they was called Cajuns, and then they jumped on the Creole bandwagon, because it was cool to be Creole and people was just interested in the Creole story, you have to remember Louisiana had a large number of free people of color Mixed (Black and White), some White french Europeans, and Haitians, over time these groups mixed and produced a multi-ethnic group called Creoles, the Whites that did not want to mix seperated and formed their own group called Cajuns.
Creoles have always been MGM (Multi Generational Mixed).
One of the best interviews I've seen on this topic recently 👏👏 great job!
Some years ago, a Black guy got offended when I did not identify as Black. I'm Dominican and based on my appearance and my country's history, I knew that I was multiracial. I did 23and Me genetic testing and my results came back almost 50% European, about 37% West African, 8% Native Taino and the rest small percentages of Western Asians and North African. I don’t see what's wrong about identifying as multiracial? It doesn't mean that I don't embrace my blackness!
Note many ( most?) African Americans are mixed too, they come in all shades....due to politics / segregation/ Jim Crow laws, and culture of white vs anyone else, they are all were designated as black in this country. They know they have mixture, like you do. Its become a meme in America that Dominicans say they're are not black, and focus on all other race admixture. Gayle King, Oprah's pal, her DNA test, she is 50% +white, more than you. It's Dominican politics / law / culture that focuses on what's not black. Come to America, you are black. Again, African Americans - Black are mixed genetically as well. You're almost 50% European still, in America, would make you black. In America., which is where you are...Hope this sheds light on the issue. 🙂
He was offended because he knows his AA history and feels the pain of his AA ancestors . Wht men sailed to the islands without women. They enslaved the Taino and raped the women. Taino ppl either committed suicide because they refused slavery, ran away because remember it was their land so they knew the landscape and how to flee without being captured. The Spaniards needed laborers for the sugarcane fields. The Europeans bloodline that you want to identify with were murders, rapist and into chattel slavery for centuries of your other bloodline Africa and Taino. We as AA also have European bloodline, it’s not difficult to notice we no longer look like our African brothers. We may resemble but clearly ppl can tell the difference. Enslaved African women were raped hence our European bloodline. Yet, you never hear AA ppl so proudly claim multi- cultural identity. We too have done our ancestry our DNA numbers always have European percentages. Like you we did not need to know we had European blood our history tells us that . We as AA do not understand how ppl such as yourself and other Latin Caribbean island ppl always want to claim your European bloodline knowing what they did to your African and Taino bloodline. Try reading the letter sent to Christopher Columbus thanking him for giving him a Taino woman and how that European man had to beat her into submission. That is history now let’s deal with present day. Racism is thriving since Obama was elected hate groups numbers have risen in huge numbers. You are considered a person of color period. America nor the rest of the wht community around the world will view you as a person of color . By claiming your European ancestors matters not to wht ppl around the world. Your ethnic background is based on the political, historical and present day racism. As for me I feel my ancestors and will never claim my European bloodline because of the pain they caused my AA and Taino ancestors. You see AA have native indigenous bloodline as well.
So if you are filling out a census. What box are you checking?
Nah y'all rather identify with Taino and Spanish over Black African. Y'all hate pelo malo
@@whoahna8438 Dominicans are not a monolith, not everyone is anti-black.
I am sure people “know who they are “ but definitely don’t recognize it like this young woman. It is her choice as well as everyone else’s. Bless her heart 💜.
Excellent, timely and needed video. Thank you. I am going to follow up with Victoria's work.
Thank you for introducing us to Victoria's work.
I really love the idea of multi-generationally mixed white. Culturally and socially I’m 100% white, and have all of the privileges of being that in America, but to identify just simply as white, it’s saying only my European ancestors matter and is erasing my African ancestors and everything they endured for me to exist today.
I think many of us Goins/Goings descendants would agree!
I am basically in a similar situation, but with multi-generational mixed Asian/European from one of my parents. Depending on the specific DNA test, I have somewhere around 20% Asian heritage, since the ancestors of one of my parents were mixed for many generations.
Why not just say your multi-generationally mixed? What's the significance of saying white after it?
@@ThatSuzanneSchmid Because the OP is culturally and socially white? Like I said, I am in a similar situation. Nobody (almost) ever looks at me and thinks, hm, Asian, or part Asian. I am 54 years old and there was only one or two occasions where someone upon meeting me thought I was part Asian. The time I remember it happening, it was an asian woman who could somehow tell. For my older sister it slightly more apparent. Neither of us grew up in any kind of Asian culture context. Even the mixed half of any family, with I didn’t grow up with, was more or less culturally European, since it was more social and economically advantageous for families like them, in the context of living in a European colony in Asia, to assimilate as much as possible into the European colonial culture. Still, I have uncles, who after moving to the US in the middle of the last century, remembers bigoted neighbors calling them half-breeds. Referring to yourself as a multi-generational mixed white person simply acknowledges both that you are more or less white, while also acknowledging and honoring the part of yourself that is not. The mixed community my family was a part of were generally referred to as Indos (short for Indo-Europeans), and occupied a social strata somewhat between the European colonists of the Dutch East Indies, and the various native peoples. After WWII and independence, most of them moved to the Netherlands, and many to the US, as my family did after living in Europe for a few short years.
@@fordhouse8boh my goodness. I'm glad you commented. My mother's friend, I saw as having Asian ancestry but I was chastised and said "no, she's just white". I was a teenager and I didn't understand the issue. I understand now. She's probably MGM white-asian.
I’m an MGM North American with medium brown skin and I’m over it, too. I identify as mixed race because I am; I claim all I am. But I’m over being erased because I don’t look half White.
You're not allowed to in America.
If you're multi generationally mixed and brown you're likely a black american
Despite dumb people like the one in the interview black americans are a multi generational group
You're not some color based group where everyone needs to eat a big dark skin or brown.The average black american is a brown skin to light brown person
@@LCCreole, I am indeed allowed here and I get to decide how I identify. Nobody is “allowed” to decide that FOR me, especially with so much Indigenous heritage. 🤨
@goingboldaciousforchrist It greatly depends on your phenotype whether you can choose or not. American society will argue you down and not support your personal choice if your phenotype is heavily negroid. Which doesn't make sense, considering we can now change our gender identity and have laws to support our choice to do it. What's the difference?...
I loved this dialogue! I really relate especially when Victoria mentions her rejection of putting people in boxes. Im Caribbean multi generational mixed ( both parents from the Dominican republic ) and ive had so many opposing thoughts and feelings about race that i couldn't really put into the right context bc like Victoria mentioned we are here but its like we dont exist due to so many contradictory factors. Im so glad to hear some informed perspectives on this matter that hits close to home!
But she herself DOES put people into boxes. I had a back and forth with her on Danielle's Facebook page, and that's essentially what she did. And she likes to tell American Blacks who they are.
@@ThatSuzanneSchmid well, consider that some black Americans can't help to tell other people who they are , especially how us Africans should identify, and now you get how annoying this is . But on her behalf she tries (often failing yet) to put things into a historical rather than (US)racial perspective. The foundation is correct , almost everyone is mgm both culturally and genetically, but she can't ignore social and history differences (I see she also oversimplifies Eurasiafrican dynamics, probably for the sake of cutting a very long story short here. I don't know about her beside this vid), that's a kinda US/Netflix mistake , the same she tries to escape from. Edit Sorry for grammar and typo errors, English being my 5th language and a French keybord don't help 😁
@@elleanna5869 please don't put all African Americans in a box. Half my family is Jamaican and I went to college with many people from the Caribbean and Africa. Trust me, I have stories; Imposing beliefs on one another was widespread.
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Swinging in to say: MIXED ISN'T ONLY BLACK PLUS WHITE. It's Asian-white, Indigenous-Asian, etc. - it's ANY racial combination. I'm so tired of people saying someone isn't mixed because they're not part African American (or Black or Indigenous African).
who tf has ever said that? lol
I think what the newer generation doesn't understand is that if you have an african-american parent, you are not mixed, you are just BLACK. Unless you CHOOSE to identify otherwise. Which many do.
@@elijahlocke "Newer" generation? 😂
A) 1. People don't belong in boxes. 2. Saying people who are literally multi-racial (ie, more than 1 race) are only one race is completely artificial & subjective. 3. Can't just slap terms onto other people.
B) Multi-racial doesn't automatically include ANY African American/Black/Indigenous African. There ARE other parts of the world who intermingle & have children.
C) 🤦♀️ Refer to A.
MIXED is a word that I have heard, primarily from black people. White people with Swedish, German, French, English, and Cherokee ancestry tend to refer to themselves as White.
@@ruminantmelanoid5444 No. But they *are* shut down the moment they say "mixed."
Now that we are educated by DNA & and geneticists, we must stop saying "race." Multi-ethnic or "blended" is most appropriate.
I mean they would not know who was part of government friend or foe......
No your pat of this world that's where U come from this universe...
I appreciated this conversation but it is also a bit frustrating. The very few times there are talks about MGM families these discussions center around:
1. How they became MGM
2. How they identify
3. How they look.
But very few content creators are delving deeper into the experiences MGM families had to navigate through. Many MGM families had to make some very tough decisions generations to generation that put them in the line of danger, and presented them with many struggles in their day to day lives.
I truly apologize for being so overly critical as I am very thankful for your content and it's high quality. I am a Black ADOS (American Descendant of Slavery) with a Black phenotype and overwhelming SSA ancestry. But there are still these tiny branches of MGM families connected to my Black family tree and I am always hoping that someone will tell their story.
I love this comment, it is a great suggestion going forward. I dont feel equipped myself to always hand these big important conversations, but I also feel so passionately about reconnecting to all aspects of my heritage. The closest I can come to what you are mentioning is that I did a short docuseries. called "Finding Lola" about my great gram who passed for white (but I guess she was really MGM). If you didnt see it, it's on my page here: th-cam.com/play/PLvzaW1c7S5hQcox9CjaJWA7QKTYXw9Zn2.html
Accepting the multiethnic, multiracial backgrounds and legacy of individuals should be a no brainer. Unfortunately one's "looks" often had an enormous impact on economic potential and opportunity, and the stringency of racial categorization in the US was second to none.
This has been a helpful discussion!
Awesome discussion
People in the US know that you can be socially black and not 100% genetically black. For the most part when people say they're black in the US what they're really saying is that they're African American. African American is an ethnic group not a race. You can be biracial or MGM and identify as African American.
Before the African American name came to be it was Black American. Which came to be just black because calling or identifying someone in America as Black American or White American for that matter is redundant especially in the past. So it became just black or white.
Just to show how deep this goes I've met two individuals on separate occasions who referred to themselves as being half-black and half-Nigerian. It sounds crazy on the surface but when you understand that they are really saying half-AA and half-Nigerian it makes sense.
But they need to delineate that
because I'll bust up laughing dead in their faces if any one of them (Nigerians) tells Me that they aren't black?....
Exactly
Yes truly correct
I relate to this
Such an interesting and important discussion.
My own family has relatives with Korean, Thai, Japanese, and Puerto Rican of African descent. I primarily identify as Croatian-American because my grandfather immigrated from that area and I grew up in a primarily Croatian-American neighborhood where the language was spoken occasionally.
My mom's great grandparents had a story about a mixed marriage controversy but it was never detailed which race was involved but they were disowned by the family.
Excellent topic and feel seen.
Myself being mixed and not really knowing who I am can say this is one of the most important and needed conversations in my lifetime.
I’m not try to be funny, but are you adopted? What are you mixed with and why doesn’t your family talk about this topic?
I felt the same way!
@nytn Excuse my grammar, but I know you must be a real person because usually, when I get my comments highlighted on TH-cam, the content creator 99% of the time never responds must be the fame I guess.
@@user-jw3og6tq3h oh, she's very real. I've personally spoken to her once before.
I really enjoyed this!
I like this lady....very interesting
This is a very powerful presentation and I will be watching it several times. I will now have a greater confidence in asking people directly who they believe themselves to be. Being mixed race must be recognized.
Interesting discussion. However, I don’t think the guest explains MGM well. MGM is not about claiming MIXED HERITAGE because ONE or TWO ANCESTORS are, for example, YT. MGM is about having GENERATIONS of MIXED ppl in your family line, NOT one or two mono racial ancestors. By her definition most Blk ppl would be MGM. How can she be MGM if both her father’s parents are Blk and her mom is not even mixed or bi? She is referring to ANCESTORS, NOT any DIRECT RELATIVE such as parent, grand or even great grand. This is why ppl, especially Blk, get labeled as self hating.
If someone has Euro ancestry that shows Brit, Irish, Scot etc that doesn’t ‘t necessarily mean you have MULTIPLE ppl in your family line from each group. ONE Euro ancestor can have all 3 groups in their background, which is why all 3 may appear in your DNA.
Further, it is about the CULTURE of those MGM being passed down, for example, food, language etc
I claim MGM with two black parents. My father is black because of the one drop rule, most of his family passed for white. My mother is descended from mulatto. I do not have West African features, 3a hair, euro centric features and lighter skin. During segregation my father and some siblings would pass to buy food for our family during trips to the south. My whole life I had Irish friends who claimed me, turns out from DNA I’m nearly 25% Irish Scottish - from both parents, also English, Scandinavian and Eastern European. When I traveled yo Africa and said I was black, they quickly corrected me, they said you’re Matisse - Therefore I can not agree with your comment.
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@@m.s9146 Clearly, you misunderstood my comment because you are proving my point. You are MGM, which is what my comment describes. Your description of your MGM family and the guest’s description of her ‘MGM’ family are completely different, as explained in my original post.
Also, your reference of ‘West African features’ is a stereotype. You can research online and see the various countries and tribes in West Africa and see that there is a diversity of features and these ppl are not mixed or MGM, they are Blk.
@@acebutterfly2725 Ironically we consider ourselves mixed if even having the same phenotype but we come.from different tribes and/or nation.. Also, language is pivotal in identity. I m accepting that most of US people just can't get it. Just for what you said, genetics isn't enough, genetics and phenotypes are accident that say the least and the less important about you
@@m.s9146 But your description is totally different from the woman in the video. You are mixed, almost whyte, but the woman in the video is black, whether she wants to accept it or not. She's darker than me and I've never considered myself mixed.
@@elleanna5869 Sigh. I am aware of what your are saying, but the commenter is not African, I am trying to explain that she is using a stereotype about West African features. If she was African, she would not have made that reference., which you are proving.
Great topic!
Good to see you! 😊
@@nytn Thanks She explained very well what so many of us have been trying to say about identity. It's goes deeper than appearance. You find the most eloquent guest!
My great grandmother was multi generational mixed she’s Louisiana creole from southern Louisiana she’s creole of African, French (Acadian and French settlers) Spanish(Islenos ) and Filipino ancestry
Where’s your Louisiana fam from? Mine is Natchitoches, Opelousas, lake charles
@@nytn Listen, Africans exist. Let mixed people identify as black until the population of whites are 40% minority. Black becomes the majority CLASS. You're African American: African origin but American by nationality
@@nytn That's where my grandma's from, Opelousas. She is also multi generational mixed. Both of my great grandparents mixed also. German/Irish black and native American or indigenous and black.
My grandparents on my father's side are mixed Creoles from New Orleans.
"WE ARE HERE BUT WE DON'T EXIST!" Brilliant video kudos to you both!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"we don't exist" only because the "we" chose to be other instead of declaring an identity, which is not difficult to make. lol
If you are product of rape, why identify with the rapist?
Or why think to yourself that you "don't exist"?
After all, everyone else knows that you DO "exist", and they are already placing you in a category.
Why allow others to categorize you when YOU should be doing the categorizing of self?
Much movement of Africans and Europeans occured during Roman times. Asian admixture came into Europe during the early Middle Ages. Before that, humans moved constantly and mixed. We're human. That's what we do.
I’m also mixed, but not in the way most Americans think. My family’s from the Philippines, but my sister and I are East Asian (Chinese), Central Asian and Polynesian. According to her DNA 🧬 results. It began to interest me, because even Filipino’s think I look different. I’m also constantly mistaken for different ethnicities; Korean, Chinese, Native American, Hawaiian and some people speak to me in Spanish if they don’t notice my eyes. It can definitely be more complex than what people usually think of as “mix.” As someone w/ 2 sociology degrees, this is a topic I enjoy. I’m glad I found your TH-cam ch.
I feel like people should be able to call themselves whatever they like.
Why do people care what anyone else calls themselves.
Agree 💯
Because of Rachel Dolezal
Mainly because when asked it can get complicated!
I’m with you but some people get extremely triggered. It’s exhausting.😂
@@meme-fs1jnWho cares what she identifies as. It doesn't affect your life one bit
I think this was a very interesting discussion. Thank you for sharing.
You can literally self identify with one or more groups, but others can perceive & think you belong to a completely different group(s) based on phenotypes.
The basketball family the Curry’s are a perfect example of MGM. Steph Curry’s family is African American but their all mix race presenting or “light skin”
Indian people too in my opinion Tamils, Punjabis etc
@@nickb839 Punjabi are Iranian people
No they Are Not Iranic. Cultural influence and genetics are two different things.
Some of them are darker skinned this woman looks majority black.
@@nickb839 Read a book or two or three. How someone looks (phenotype) does not equate to perceived ancestry (genotype).
This conversation is so bitter sweet. Makes me feel hopeful and lost at the same time. I find it heart breaking that we can't just be people, the human race and enjoy the different foods and music languages and perspectives. I do feel motivated though to research my own ancestry to see what I find out about myself. This is a very niche topic that really should be in the forefront of everyone. Thank you for having the conversation.
I felt the same way. Thanks for being here!
It's so nice to see a person from a neighboring country on here. Greetings from the Netherlands.
Greetings from NY
I hope you and your family are doing great
Good morning! It's a beautiful day to be in the South (for now) :)
@nytn why you have a non black american speaking on black history in America . Africans or Caribbean don't speak for us
@@sleek50exactly. Bingo. It makes absolutely no sense
Great job Danielle 👏 👍 👌 🙌
She is such an important voice about our American heritage.
It’s so good to see you! 😊
One time, I was at a black party, and this Irish-looking guy came in and began looking for a dance partner. Well, the brothers started to step up to this person, and at the last minute a sister yelled out that he was her cousin who was visiting from out of State. There were immediate apologies and everybody got back to dancing.
Not surprising. I’m from KY. In my state, if you are black it’s almost guaranteed you have some Irish ancestry since most of the Scots-Irish settled in this area and had “relations” with the enslaved blacks.
@@lisacox3750Exactly and most of the miscegenation was forced. Still, it does not change the mixed bloodline. This is why we know most "Black" Americans are mixed-race. TH-cam may ban me for this truth-telling.
Not from Ky, but got some Irish, Scott, British. Swede.
@@lisacox3750 Scots-Irish historically though are of Scottish descent not Irish. Especially the ones that came to the US at that period as they were not in Ulster that long. The present day Ulster Protestants might have some Irish but the ones that went to the US in the 1700s and 1800s were Scots.
@@lisacox3750 same her in Louisiana, I'm black with copious amounts of French ancestry.
Omg this was great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow, this is interesting. I’ve heard of quadroon before. March 2023 I found out that my maternal grandmother’s female lineage originated from the Mende people of Sierra Leone.
That means YOUR MtDNA ancestry.
@@KAH-7 Yeah, you’re right. I stated it the way I did for those who might read my comment but aren’t familiar with the scientific terminology.
Quadroon is retrograde. It's a white supremacist term for blood quantum labeling of people regardless of how they want to identify.
This is interesting. There is also tendency in this discussion to ignore ethnicity. For instance, "Black" Americans are an ethnic group of an admixed population. Black/African American does not equate to Black when used to describe the peoples of sub-Saharan Africa.
I agree with Kabeya that people should be able to assert their different heritages. It's the vocabulary that makes this problematic.
I’m definitely an MGM African American. 69% African, 20% Euro, and 1% Southeast Asian! I’m very familiar with this term from the old discussion boards from years ago on 23andMe! Those boards were so educational and then 23andMe closed them! Thankfully on two lines I know of the black female ancestor naming her baby after the white father. Women don’t name their babies after their rapists!! There’s another line I’m not sure of whether or not there was SA. The sad reality though is that if that person who committed SA in someone’s line didn’t exist neither would that person today! We all fall short in varying ways and we’ve all had our less than proud moments. Forgiveness frees us from carrying these burdens and just embrace who we are today.🙏🏽✝️🌸🌺🌹💐🌷
Your DNA is common to most AA. But if you wanna claim mixed go ahead.
Plenty of my slave era Jamaican ancestors were named after the owner of the plantation. So, of course, women used the name of the rapist/their master. There were potentially many advantages to making sure the master knew it was his kid. Not to mention, babies of the enslaved and indentured were often given the slave owner's name even if they weren't descendants. It's just what people did at that time.
@Myopinionmattersthemost
She meant to say that she's Admixed, as the majority of our
people here are.
@@ThatSuzanneSchmid Exactly!!!!!!!
@@KAH-7 Exactly, My head swivels when people talk about "PURE AFRICAN AMERICAN!!!!!" Really????
I can relate to what she is saying. Like I mentioned before other people will tell me what I am even after showing them DNA test results or photos of my parents. I am Mexican and Jewish American. And I wasn't going to feel upset if the DNA said I was Arab (which they found in both sides) Asian, Native American, Spanish, or anything else. BUT, I know, if I check all the "race" boxes on the form I will make people feel upset with me. So, I leave it blank. I know if check Asian, for example someone will be upset and tell me you can't even speak Chinese so what is wrong with you. Or even make me fill the form out again.
MyHeritage would inform you if
the "Arab" is Yemeni Jew?
A great and very controversial interview, and the talking points, and views that have caused me to rethink the "Half Breed" conundrum of racial heritage and claims and the secrets that most families have and lie[s] they keep and propagate until exposed...
Could say more...But you have made a very good video and you are a great interviewer, so please do more of these types as you have found your niche. Peace
Lord… Ppl are getting admixture and MGM confused. Now everyone is gonna be running around talking about they are MGMs… It’s not the same thing…
This.
Sure isn't. I'm Mulatto though end of discussion 😂
@@krazyjnva2up2down55 Hey there! Nice to see you in the comments! Have a great day!
@@JanelleNaturelle same!! ✌️😉
And this is why mixed people get dismissed or not taken seriously smh 🤦🏽♀️
This is a very convoluted topic. I’ve seen racism with Mexicans of Spanish ancestry toward Mexicans of Native ancestry. Mexico has a huge population of black people.
It’s not just an American thing. White Russians and the Siberian people, China with the Uiger(?) people, slavery is happening there today.
College is great, we can learn so much.
Uyghurs in China that are Muslim.
💯 The telenovelas alone support your initial point.
when Americans talk about slavery or racism black americans its because they are refferencing to their family history and lineage and experience. I hope you learned what you commented about way before college. lol
I’m Dominican so my family is obviously mgm so I can relate to this vid
Maybe after all this debate we will finally come to the obvious conclusion: that we really are all one race - the HUMAN race (whatever our nationality or ethnic combination) and we can lay it to rest.
That would not be true, actually. People of African origins actually have heavier lean muscle and bone density. This is in comparison to not just whites but Asians as well. Black people do not produce spike proteins, but whites and Asians do. This is all science based.
SPEAK FOR YOURSELF HUMAN! I'm only here to observe your primitive habits! Then I'm going back to my home world where HagenDas is a health food! Especially the chocolate.
@@AnniceMichelle I don't think that's what she was positing. There will of course be various genetic mutations throughout thousands of years. When left isolated in specific groups of people and specific climates, those mutations stay with them. And despite those mutations or adaptations, be it denser bones, heavier muscles, higher rates of skin melanin, etc, we are all 99% genetically identical. So, perhaps, we should spend more time celebrating all that makes us the same, instead of what makes us different.
This is literally one of the most ignorant comments on this video. Race is not simply a social construct, but a historical and political identity with historical and political implications. Saying that we are a human race, while ignoring the connotations of what race means in each context is intellectually dishonest at best, and harmful at worst. If we really considered one another a human race then we would treat each other as such. Since we don’t in reality, and we don’t live in hypotheticals, our goals should be to end the injustices that occur because of it. So no, we don’t get to pull out arguments of being one while there are people who are not allowed to even be considered human
@@user-tx8fr1jb2n what you said is exactly "social construct. According to science race is a baseless concept.And especially in the sense people mean it in last 2-3 centuries til , sadly, now.
Danielle is an “MGM octoroon” 🤣
welcome to the cookout sis! lol
The Octoroon part - No she's not. She's shy of being an 1/8th black!?
More likely to 1/8 white, she counting having different etnicities of Africa as birracial sounds weird to me.😅
Oh shit! My bad, l mean the guest Victoria.
But even Victoria, you must haven't heard her explain her own roots? Hypothetically, 1/8th a bunch of different peoples?
lol it’s a mix. I have about 5% west African 15% North African but my test changes all the time.
Great interview! The world needs to realize MGM. I mean, many people know this on a subconscious level, but now there is a way to put it into words. Race is a spectrum and a social construct. Within the white race, there is also colorism, white people that are considered "not really white" - latin europeans/spanish, french, italian, portuguese, and also greek and croatian. There are many more "mixed" white people that have to explain their background on a regular basis, than people realize.
People recognize your dominate race. No one has time to acknowledge every single drop of peoples DNA. That's ridiculous.
Yep, the root branch of my family is French-Canadian (Caucasian) but there is Irish, German, and First Nation ancestry (direct & cousin branches). but I myself am a biracial Caribbean mulatto (with siblings); directly related to Italian and MGM Chinese-Latino cousins.
What you describe is MGM, but the guest’s background doesn’t seem to be MGM.
@acebutterfly2725 totally agree. I'm a mgm.
It is such a shame how the first nation people were/are treated.
I absolutely exist.
I'm not sure this topic is worthy of debate. Must we lay out our entire generational mixing for the benefit of others, CONSTANTLY?
I'm proud of my slave roots, proud of my European roots, etc. Because I appear Black, I keep it simple until I sense the need to go into more detail.
I check all the boxes on forms. My friends know I'm a proud mixed person.
I don't need anyone's validation. I'm saddened that this young lady seems to.
The word debate presupposes that there is something to argue about.
I think in the US, most of us have elevated beyond needing a specific label. Or expecting one.
Just do you..research, glory in your history, no matter how complex. It's beautiful.
But I don't need or deserve the private lineage information of anyone else.
Even celebrities.
Here's an argument that doesn't need to exist.
Diversity is beautiful and no one needs to prove anything to me.
I love how you said this:
"I'm not sure this topic is worthy of debate. Must we lay out our entire generational mixing for the benefit of others, CONSTANTLY?"
I think it is an excellent point
@@nytn Thank you 🙌🏽😊❤️
Amen sis!
@@elleanna5869 Thanks sis!🙌🏽😊
To the guest, we Black/ African Americans know there are many mixed race individuals in our history.
That's why I still use & prefer African American, because it encompasses that mixed race ancestry that many of us carry in our bloodlines..
@@roberth2627exactly. African Americans are not confused by this.
@@roberth2627 I prefer Black American instead of African American, because I am an amalgamation of African, European, with a hint of Native American. African American should be reserved for immigrants that voluntarily migrate from Africa, not the descendants of U.S. slavery, such as myself.
@@niyabiya4172 I understand, but think it's also a generational thing. I differ with the ADOF movement in that I'm not relinquishing my racial & cultural ties to Africa. I married a Nigerian sister many years ago .who identified as a Nigerian American. So many Africans who are Us citizen ,just like with others proud Us citizens ,can & do denote their country of origin . Just like Irish or Italian Americans do. I'm for reparations, but not going to change my total identity based on a color for I'm much more than that; It's the same old binary that was created to put you in a box. I do use A.A.& Black interchangeably. But A.A is my default signifier.. Reparation movement I feel will go thru some growing pains & will change over time..Also their are other reparation groups who also will not uncouple from Africa..
Black Americans are a admixture, MGM people
This broad is dumb and ignorant
I'm going to start using this term MGM. Truth is fn Brilliant. Lets have a discussion about the consequences of 'being erased'. The social, political and economic consequences of being erased.
Cardi B and Christina Milan and Vanessa Williams are good examples of MGM people.
@japhya0378 That is MGM Black plus mixed = mixed I guarantee her "Black" father isn't 100% African. By default since not even the dark skinned Black Americans is more than 85% Black thats means the mixed people would be more European and that Vanessa Williams is 100% MGM.
@japhya0378 Her mom is MGM. Look at her. She tested 45% European. It's on both sides. Her dad's side was more mixed.
@@bluejay9968 I know Vanessa's mother and brother. Who said that her mother is MGM? Her father is a mixture, but her mother is black.
@@kwarrior2895 Sir, did you read what I said? I never said that her father black.. I said he's mixed race. I am not sure any of it is black, as he didn't look black to me
Even in Africa, where does 100% African exist?
Race and identity in most African ethnicities are tied paternally and maternally in most cases
So except your dad or mom is African, you can be said to be African no matter how mixed one is
Kimora lee for example is mixed but black, her son Wolfe is Caucasian
And has nothing with being black
That's how identity and race works
No matter how much DNA to Europe, asia or Africa, one has
When Obama was running for president, a lot of people started saying he wasn't black; he's half white. I always wondered if he walked into a 7-Eleven, would people say look at that mixed guy? Or would they say look at that black man? That's pretty much my thoughts on this topic.
Right.
You can go further than that❗
Look at all of the people who were already informed that he's biracial.
Did that supress in any way the Racism thrown at him, or even made the vitriol worse❓ 🤔
Both, depending on the observer
I remember this guy at a liquor store going off about "Obama's not a real black guy." This was during the '08 campaign. I said, "Trust me, when he tries to get a cab in New York, he's black."
@@adpowell1414 Yes. People go by looks, especially the police. They don't care if you're mixed, 'MGM', Jamaican or Ethiopian. That's why Obama is considered the first blk POTUS, because he appears more phenotypically blk than anything else and he has our hair texture.
Danielle, why not interview or cross interview fellow LA Creole "Creole Lady Marmalade". This is the interview I'd love to see, because she has a video on this topic. Both of you are so passionate about this topic (LA Creoles), and both of you get Latin/Creole Black American genetic communities on your DNA ancestry results. BTW, great interview.
That sounds fun to do!
She’s definitely a real Louisiana Creole! Plus she celebrates her Creole heritage not caving to MONORACIAL acceptance.
@@nytn That's a video I wouldn't miss!
@@josiebooth4670 Whether monoracial or not, either path is worthy of celebration. Everything is for a reason. God is a beautiful Creator!
One thing people forget about us LA Creoles…no matter how light or white you may appear, your 1st cousins will likely appear black.
Also, I love when blacks from other countries want to tell America Blacks how they should see things. I grew up in the 60’s, so don’t tell me what I should feel. There was a time in the US when you were either White or Black. There were laws on the books in LA whereby “one drop” of black blood made you Black.
.5 Japanese and .5 Black American and really love your channel. 💗
Good afternoon from Copperhill Tn. 😊
Morning! :)
Thank you for this conversation. This needs to be more talked in society, specifically in USA.
As Puertorican myself there is no doubt I am mix race and I’m coming from a mix background for over 500years and do not identify as one of those boxes.
I think here in Puerto Rico we have claimed to be all our ancestors way long ago.
It’s important to note, many Puerto Rican are black, many are Taíno leaning. I have an Afro-Puerto Rican friend who is Afro-Indigenous. He doesn’t identify as being of Spaniard ancestry. Keep that in mind.
You are not mixed race because race is not real. We do not need other countries racial politics invading the African American community. This conversation is about African Americans, not Puerto Ricans.
@@user-tx8fr1jb2nummm Puerto Rico is part of the United States. Many folks on the east coast are both African American and Puerto Rican. Since race is a social construct globally the One drop rule is relevant unless one chooses to "pass". However the One drop rule was inversed in Latin America. One drop of white blood made one non- black 🤷🏾♂️. I suppose we're currently redefining it all.
@@user-tx8fr1jb2n agree about not needing insight from people who are not American, but Puerto Ricans are American citizens.
@@7thstspeakez280 you did not say you were African American. You said you were Puerto Rican. Most African Americans who primarily identify as Black will say they are Black first. And as you said in Latin America one drop of non-Black meant non-Black. You might be Afro Latino, or identify with your African roots and consider yourself to be part Black now, but unless you have a parent who identified as African American/Black you are not African American. I understand where Puerto Rico is, I don’t need a geography lesson. But the term African American predates the addition of Puerto Rico into the union and was intended to describe descendants of slaves in the South and those living in the US as early as 1831. The reason why the term African American has become so convoluted is because ever since its reappearance in the 1970s, the US allowed a larger influx of African continental immigrants than it had done so previously. And thus the definition of African American expanded for census purposes to include those from the continent, but even still you will find that most of those Africans identify more with their ethnic or national identity (like Nigerian American) before they identify with African-American because of the negative connotations and associations they have been taught about that word with Black African-American descendants of Slavery.
And I find that comment to be disingenuous because your original comment was confirming you claim being mixed race. You even said you don’t identify as one of those boxes. So then why are you claiming being African-American. It is one thing to identify with having African or African-American ancestry. It’s a whole other thing to identify as African-American or Black. If you would stop with this miseducation that race is simply a social construct you could see that the African-American/Black identity is a political and historical identity. Race being a social construct would imply that if race did not exist, then racism would disappear. Racism is the social construct, race is the result of it.
My father use to tell us All were a Heinz 57 a mixture of several different Cultures, German, French Spanish Portuguese, Black and Native American and Irish. I am literally the darkest person in my family both of my Parents are of Puerto Rican descent and look white as do all my brothers and Sisters . I did not experience discrimination until we moved to America, where I was discriminated by not just the white community but by the Black community as well. And today people want you to choose between which culture to be apart of. . I've told people I chose All people because I don't want to disavow my heritage it is what made me.
My grandmother always said we were Heinz 57 also.
How were you discriminated against by the Black community? Also where did you grow up in the U.S.?
What is SA?
Sexual Assault
When do we get to hear you use some of that musical equipment in the background?
We don't use quadroon, octoroon, or even mulatto designations anymore. Mariah Carey knows she is mostly white but in this country she also is Black because in the US mixed ancestry people were enslaved and considered "persons of color/Negro," etc. because among the English - unlike the French and Spanish (which influenced Lousiana) - the dividing line was black or white not shades of admixture giving privileges to proximity to whiteness. African Americans who say they are Black do know they are admixed with European ancestry. People like Langston Hughes or Adam Clayton Powell came from Black parents and had whiter skin than half-white Frederick Douglass. All these people considered themselves Black people because they were facing deadly discrimination and had African ancestry and culture within this American setting. I am not sure your French guest understands this context. That it is not being unaware of European or Native American ancestry. People KNOW. There doesn't need to be a new category. You can select that you are white but also of some African ancestry or Black and of European/other ancestries.
Exactly why she doesn’t belong in this conversation 🤷🏽♀️
@@Universityofuncommonsense It is important for her to know that her lens is not comparable to the African American experience.
I'm writing a poem on this very subject. I consider myself a walking American History book with ancestors who came over on the Mayflower and the slave ships, from those who fought in the Civil War and for my Civil Rights. I'm tired of being told what I should recognize and should not recognize.
What "race" you are depends on the society that you are in. When I am in the USA I am black b/c that is how people treat me, it is what experience I live. I frequently travel to South and Central America, many times when I get off the plane I magically stop being black.
I hate to burst you bubble bro but she is correct black people and mixed people and white people will never be the same genetically it dies not matter what people say.
I hate to burst you bubble bro but she is correct black people and mixed people and white people will never be the same genetically it does not matter what people say or think it is what it is.
@@samvigil1333 I have taken cultural anthropology and sociology courses in college. All the experts agree with the take I just said so I will go with that. Thanks though... And all humans are different genetically except for identical twins. On a species level, we are the same.
@@samvigil1333 Black and white aren't genetic. So what do you mean will never be the same genetically? These races are phenotypes. Most of us are mixed, and are genetically similar as Americans.
@@lucianp2616 Yes! Let us take this opportunity to educate.
I say, and I am from Mississippi love the good people whoever they are. ❤
Anything to not be Black.
I found this out after I took a DNA test lol. It was quite surprising to say the least ❤
I had a hard time explaining my creole ethnicity to my roommate he kept asking why are you so mixed looking if you have 2 “black” parents
THIS.
Creole ethnicity has nothing to do with how you look. There are many Creoles who look/are very much mono-racial
@whoahna8438 yea it really does. And nobody really knows what a monoracial look is due to phenotype diversity.
@@Afri_Culture
No it doesn't because not all Creole people are mixed and not all mixed people are Creole.
Louisiana received a lot of mixed people from Virginia and a lot of Louisiana Creole weren't mixed
@whoahna8438 you talking about two different contexts.. in the US South creole was a race.
I love this conversation, my wife is 1st generation Haitian American, older sister very light and younger sister very dark… same parents, just a random “white” ancestor in the mix, changing everyone’s complexion.
That would mean that the average African American isn't Black, because - according to geneticists - we are, on the average, 20 percent European. That admixture has come from BOTH parents. Most of those claiming this haven't had their own DNA tested and don't realize how mixed they are.
Henry Louis Gates famously "grew up Black" with two Black parents only to get tested and find out that he is nearly half European. If you look at Africans from the continent, some will appear to be "mixed" because of their narrow features and looser curls, but they aren't. I have also seen a DNA reveal from a South African woman who showed a picture of herself beside her European ( white) friend. Though she was the same complexion as her friend, her DNA revealed that she is 100% African.
There is more to being Black than even DNA can mandate. For example, who is "Blacker", a full African who never grew up with or sought
out other Africans or someone only a quater Black who grew up only with Black people and seeks out all-Black communities?
You should listen to the story of Fauna Hodel. It's very interesting
th-cam.com/video/G3nOs25sH_0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=-QHBp5BmlKwvDXdo
I do not believe that most African Americans are 20% European. If that were the case lighter skin would not be so prized by some. It would be normal.
@@abotarea Blk Americans are on average UP TO 20% Euro, some ppl have less or more. You cannot tell based on complexion etc, go look up actor Don Cheadle’s ancestry results for better understanding.
@yer I read an article that said many YT ppl in the south have Blk ancestry.
@@abotarea they very well are up to 20-25% and more, and you can't necessarily tell. Africans with only African genes are very diverse phenotypically and thus so are African Americans with only African genes. Some are lighter skin, some with darker skin. You cannot look at most African Americans and know for sure.
@@abotareaI am a 25% European AA
She attributed southern Europeans having mixture from Slav3ry
but forgot about Hannibal's army and the Moors for hundreds of years.
Slavery around the Mediterannian went all around, it was dangerous living on the coasts, or going out fishing in small defenseless crews, people were kidnapped and sold.
No she isn't aware that Europeans have Basal Eurasian/African dna from the Levant brought over by paternal haplogroups such as e1b1b if any Southern Europeans just got a boost. There is study of Sub-Saharan East African dna in Greeks today thats definitely Ancient Egyptian blood.
@@dirgniflesuoh7950 ok but being invaded by a BLK army or being ruled for a few hundred years, just might have a greater impact on a population's DNA. a little disrespectful to only attribute it to Slav3ry.
@@etruscancivilization the BLK history of north Africa is deliberately hidden because of historical b1blical events. there are Eur0peans today, who rely on claiming certain north African identity.
I just found out Moses wife Zipporah was Ethiopian Kushite. i can only imagine why no one mentions it.
and just Guess who I AM❓
As a black and white mixed guy I love your TH-cam channel! Great great stuff!
Do you refer to yourself as one or the other or do you identify as mixed, biracial ect?
@@AttitudeOfAries wether he identify as a jew or white
His identity is from his paternal side and has nothing to do with what he prefers to be identified with
@@k-dwanks2481I wasn't asking you. You don't speak for someone else. I was asking him that for a specific reason. What does jew even have to do with it? The nerve of you to speak for someone else and their identity.
@@AttitudeOfAries wether you asked me or not
Identity doesn't emerge because you like it or prefer this to that
Am not speaking for him/her
But wether he's jew, Asian, Caucasian, African etc
His race is tied to his paternal side , not what he likes to identify as
@@k-dwanks2481 Identity is not automatically tied to someone's paternal side. How people identify is based on many factors including country, culture, race, looks, etc. For instance, this is definitely not true in North America.
My best friend committed suicide when I was ten he was mixed and treated terribly by both groups if this had existed then he would’ve felt apart of something it’s so sad he chose to end his life but he was bullied every day every where he went so sad
Maybe I'm off course here but you don't see many Caucasian people who have multiracial ancestors particularly Black ancestry speaking on behave of their heritage. They put up these barriers. But some mixed people use their features when its convenient for them. And this may sound harsh but some people who are multiracial but with darker skin have this resistance put upon them.
True, I can think of one that did@Katie Couric
I always thought Mariah had one black parent and one white parent but her dad the biracial one.
Oh wow, this is me. Sicilian heritage from my dad and British/Irish (slave master mixing) on my mom's side. Both of my parents have over 35% non african heritage, my aftrican ancestry is directly from slavery.
So true.
It's fine to introduce new terms ppl can choose to identify with. It's not okay to foist an identity on others because it feels right for you personally. Let ppl choose for themselves.
I dont disagree with all of her points, but she should be careful about commenting on the meaning of racial identity in the US or the Caribbean. I dont think she fully understands the nuances or politics of Blackness in the US. She cannot; she's NOT American or Caribbean. Also, I checked out some of her writing on her Facebook page and was turned off by the fact that she took screenshots of Black women with bi-racial childen and over-analyzed their statements about their children. It felt very juvenile. Again, i dont disagree with her completely, but i wouldn't consider her an authority on Black American identity. People have the right to self-identity and we should stay out of it. For example, I don't care how much European DNA I have or if she would consider my family MGM. I consider myself African American or Black. What does some random person's opinion about how I identify matter to me? If she wants to consider herself mixed, thats her right.
I agree with you 100%
This channel has an obvious goal to undermine the racial politics of Black America and confuse/appropriate/conflate its history with other cultures. Foreigners get extremely mad when Americans try and apply our racial politics to them but this woman is trying to do the same to the US. Resist at all costs because the only goal is to dwindle the political power of Black Americans by divide and conquer and make the Black identity become so meaningless that actual Black people become identifiable and we lose political representation and recourse for reparations. This yt channel is straight garbage
Not to be rude, but isn't that part of the problem? Everyone can identify how they please, but it needs to be noted that one can claim something, but that doesn't mean you are what you claim. I get the government and ignorant people will box everyone into 1 group, but I think that's why there needs to be a lot of pushback on lumping everyone together.
@@daurbanexplorer5293 right, which that is the goal of creating this idea of “mixed race”or MGM. It’s quite literally trading the nuances and autonomy of a collective group of people to define themselves for a pseudo scientific rehashing of racial hierarchies that seek to dilute the history of the past. Also, is anyone else seeing this, because I can’t see the last comment I posted under here for some reason.
well, she is French with African ancestry so that is why she doesn't understand American or Carribean views. Many Americans and Caribbeans don't agree on that either. For example, take Casey Budd, the TH-camr. Her mother is biracial, her father is white, but Casey identifies as Black even though she looks white. People get mad at her, and I think that is wrong. Whether we agree with her or not, she has the right to call herself Black.
Mariah Carey
Doesn't most everyone know that?
Many people neglect to see the “black “ parent as mixed race. My children are only about 18% African because their father is full blooded Greek and I’m only about 35% African.
It’s also very important to claim your white side because of possible genetic diseases. They are not biracial as 1/2 and 1/2. They are white as MGM.
My youngest lives in the Netherlands and they laugh when she says she is black, everyone meeting her thinks she looks far more Swedish than anything. Her eyes are as blue as her Dutch/German’s boyfriend’s eyes. She is a Fitzpatrick 2 and has curly auburn hair.
As a generational ancestrally mixed Black American . I will always say im Black with mixed ancestry . But we can be considered colored just as much as those in south Africa who are of mixed ancestry for generations like Tyla
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did u look up those multigenerationally mixed NBA players i recommended? Steph Curry is the poster child lol.
honestly most ppl we refer to as “Latino” are multigenerationally mixed… so many of us are so mixed we have to go back to the 17th or 18th century to find an unmixed Spaniard, Native or African ancestor.
I'd argue most Americans (as in people living on the continent(s)) are MGM. Steph's family isn't unique in being MGM among ethnic African American families at large, their admixture is just more perceivable and possibly (though, judging by perception alone, not always definitely) higher than the average African American.
@@tyrone2127 yes most people of color specifically.
You are straight up black girl. Just be proud of who you are.
She has to submit an ancestral DNA test to definitively know that,
no matter what she appears as.
I know that I am because I'm 68.2%.
I know right?? She thinks she looks mixed! She got Africa screaming out of that face!
It ain't that simple
No. I am mixed and I know this makes you uncomfortably
What is straight up black?
the slave trade in the Mediterranean, whether it was the roman era, the ottoman era or the spanish-portuguese era, doesn't make a nation mixed. Affirming your identity shouldn't mean erasing other identities
The issue is even more nuanced (no pun intended) because these trades weren't only/always about "black" people and were often about Christians and Muslims and / or wars and/or poverty plain and simple. That means that tons of those slaves were, indeed, what now the US would box as "white". She is correct that you aren't just what your skin tone or appearence is viewed somewhere, but she oversimplifies a bit for history and identity in Europe (and Africa too)
STFU those were mixed nations clown lol Moors made sure of that and the indigenous Europeans were “Black” peoples……get your knowledge up chump!!!!
Classification goes by you're dominant race not the 2% of whatever you are. That would be impossible to classify. I have technically DNA from every race but my prominent race the largest % is African
And that's why I am classified as Black.
@@deedeelaveen6872 in the US. In Europe or in Africa you would be considered firstly American. And a black British or a white Moroccan are considered firstly British and Moroccan . US classification is not valid everywhere.
@@elleanna5869 Interesting. I personally despise racial classification, but I am staunchly an ethnic African American, for lack of a better term to refer to the ethnic group. I've had this discussion with Europeans and sometimes it is hard to break through. American is my nationality for sure, though what people call 'black' here is a cultural thing and [inaccurately] describes an ethnicity.
My mother is multi-generationally mixed, but she ID's as a black woman who was raised by black parents. She had a great-grandparent who was a slave owner. All four of her grandparents were mixed to some extent. When it comes to African Americans, we ID however our parents, etc. ID.
Also, Quadroon is a word used in America, and other terms are actually viewed as derogatory.
The questions for us all is....
How mixed am I ?
How mixed are YOU ?
Me? check out my community post from last night th-cam.com/channels/sp3Yt_ZYC3_JsKGecui5RQ.htmlcommunity?lb=UgkxI1Pkj7V-R3uoxWZuRaUovfzRzMjpm258
It really does not matter when your phenotype shows Black African features. Look at how Obama was treated, and he is mixed.
@@nytn Thanks for the genetic breakdown. We are an amalgamation of our past lives.
Get a dna test. Ancestry has a Mother’s Day deal right now… 39 bucks.
@JanelleNaturelle Our family members did the Mitochondrial and Y Chromosomal and Autosomal DNA test.
We Caribbeans are mixed
Sigh. The majority of Blk Caribbean ppl are MGM Afri can. Sadly, many still have a self -hating colon ized mind. I saw someone review their ancestry results and they were more interested in the 2 percent Indo then the 98 percent from the continent.
Caribbeans are mostly just transplant africans.
@@acebutterfly2725 actually many are mixed indeed. More than an average African country (so far , we too are mixing quickly) , it depends on how pivotal their position was in commercial routes, the more, the more variety and mixing. A Caribbean like Bob Marley would immediately be spotted as mixed or even white like some relatives of mine (from Cameroun) used to genuinely believe. I remember sassy French pop songs by French African artists praising and craving for French Caribbean girls calling them (translated, circa) "sweet fair juicy Caribbean fruits, shiny ladies kissed by the Moon"😁
@@elleanna5869 The topic is MGM. We are not talking about Africa. The vast majority of the the BLk ppl in Caribbean are MGM African. Yes, there are mixed raced ppl like Bob Marley, as in every society. Yes, the population is multicultural. But, the original post is delusional and still suffers from a colon. mind. Good day.
@@elleanna5869 ok now I understand what you are saying . My great grand parents were white and mixed . However we would call them red or white . They were Jewish and on was mixed irish
If Danielle walked the streets of Southern Italy she wouldn't stand out or turn any heads. Ditto for Victoria if she walked the streets of Sierra Leone.
Hi I love following you . I found it so interesting because of my family history and also as I travel the world I am finding this is not just an American thing. Believe it or not I am finding it also in the Arabic culture. The ones known as black Arabs in their native country go to America then pass for white no matter how dark they are.
Oh this is exciting! I (a flight attendant) once had Anthony Anderson the father from the show “Blackish” on my flight. We spoke about his show and he asked me what I thought about it. I told him it was really great and I hoped he would talk about the different mixes of black people cuz we are NOT the same. He laughed at me and thought it was a ridiculous idea . Like damn… 😅. I am 1st generation Jamaican American. My family is highly mixed, my maternal grandfather is biracial (half Afro Cuban and Sri Lankan), my grandmother is biracial as well (half German {jew she converted to Christianity }and half Afro Cuban. My grand mother on my father’s side is also half Indian and black Jamaican. Not clear on my grandfather. They are all mixed in a mixed land and immigrated over to the US. Of COURSE there is a difference. It’s a shame cuz the world would get to know that not every black face is JUST “African American” and you can see the mixes of people when you get to move beyond perceived race. I had a man guess my German heritage because of my features and body shape. The world needs to move beyond the elementary perception of race.. the borders on the map are not there in real life. SPERM KNOWS NO BOARDERS. It’s evident in the features of the people NOT THE COLOR. ❤
11:30 “the slave trade also took place there...” I think a lot of people automatically think of brown or black (as enslaved and whites as the main enslaver throughout history) when they hear the word slavery. Obviously there’s a historical precedent for that but it’s also reductive since so many other combinations of enslaver -> enslaved have existed: (Barbary pirates/Arabs -> white Europeans & black Africans; Africans -> other Africans; whites -> whites; Moors -> non Muslims (often easter European slavic women for the harems); some Native American tribes -> other NA tribes; Mayans -> other Mayans; Aztecs -> tribes that weren’t a part of the Aztec empire; Chinese -> Chineses; Romans -> pretty much everyone in their way to expansion:etc.
In the case of the Iberian peninsula (Spain & Portugal), a lot of the mixing (black/brown & mixed phenotypic influence) came from the Moorish conquest and subsequent colonization of the area. Also in earlier Roman times you had Carthage as a strong “melanated” influencer on the Iberian peninsula. Even Rome seemed to very phenotypically diverse: If we look at old paintings (from the famous catacombs) and tile art, many people looked like what we would now (in the U.S.) refer to as mixed or black.
So basically sometimes black/brown/people came as conquerors and enslavers. At times they coexisted as equals and mixed with different phenotypes (e.g. Rome, north African Rome, or Carthage), and as we all know, the dominating narrative, as the black/brown/mixed person as the enslaved, which is the most recent and most defining of the slaver/enslaved dynamic in most peoples minds.
At any rate, interesting interview/talk and an interesting YT channel:) 👍🏼
p.s. Thomas Sowell has done a lot interesting research related to slavery. And just about every else as well.
I cannot speak for all Black people around the work, for for Black Americans, please do not drag us into that Moors barbary pirates stuff. That have nothing to do with is and your lineage.
Thank you
P.S
Thomas is a fool
Race goes by the dominant phenotype not every ministcule DNA mixture. 🤦🏽♀️
@@deedeelaveen6872 phenotype is phenotype, "r*ce" is a social construct. In Africa we have plenty of phenotypes and different bloodlines even among similar phenotypes.
@@ADOScirca actually Sowell is right about the history of slavery .
@@elleanna5869 He said slavery in America wasn't based on race. That sound right to you?
Great video, just in time for breakfast.
I can definitely agree with this woman. I am Mexican and those of us who have done dna tests, there is no dna test for Mexican ancestry specifically due to the diversity of their ancestry. It is so mixed not with just native american but many other ancestries due to the trading that happpened. Its really fascinating. Now for Mariah Carey, in Spanish colonial terms she would have been a Tresalva which is a person who is 3 quarters white 1 quarter black. Mulato people were designated as someone who is white and black and so on. I am a white looking woman but my 4th great grandmother was mulata. I can go back as far as 300+ years on that lineage. My grandmother who's indigenous ancestry is D1 also native american and she has black ancestry too all the way back to the 17th century. Mexicans are some of the most mixed raced people I have seen its like we have all the colors of the rainbow in our ancestry lol. I just say I am a mixed raced person and I am ok with identifying like that. But for some it bothers them. Like deny one part of themselves while proudly accepting another is a concept that just isn't realistic to me.
It is called ‘Divide and Conquer,’and it is working for those who are in power “at the time “, and if that one aspect of Human existence is ever examined as life’s journey/history ,then we will be able to understand/except our differences better. Bravo Ladies 🙏🏼👏🏽💐💯…