As a Japanese speaker living in Japan and a fan of Dragon Ball, I'd like to share some insights into the new character name puns: Neba - This comes from "neba-neba," meaning "sticky" or "viscous," which ties into the Namekians' naming theme based on snails. It also reflects the character's trait of not washing, resulting in a sticky body. Goma - This simply refers to sesame seeds, a common word in Japanese. (Goma dressings are quite popular here.) Tamagami - As you mentioned, it means "Gods of the Balls."
It may be possible that Goma's name may also be an additional pun on the magical word schemes. We had Bibidi, Babadi, Boo. Now Abura and Dabura. So the "sesame" name work for the phrase "Open Sesame"
I believe the second pun on “Goma” is spelled “Gomā” for the character’s name, so I refer to him as “Gomer” due to the fact it’s a pun. Crunchyroll translated that as “Gomah” for some reason.
I'm pretty surprised at how okay I am with the "Namekians originated from the Demon Realm" concept. Maybe it's because I always thought it was a little odd how Namekians can gain these demonic traits when they go evil when characters from other villain characters like the Saiyans or Freeza don't. Namekians having that potential because they originate from the Demon Realm makes as much sense as anything else. Regarding the Potara, one of my Twitter moots suggested that Toriyama might not've really been involved with Vegetto's inclusion into the Goku Black arc, and so might not have even known about how it retcons the Potara to have a time limit. So he's just blissfully unaware that he's backing over Toei lore again, like baby Pan being able to fly.
According to an interview with Toriyama and Toyotaro in 2017 about the Future Trunks Arc, Vegetto wasn't in the arc at all, and the Potara time limit was gonna play a part in Zamasu's defeat. Toyotaro then said he wanted to "meet the reader's expectations" so he probably put Vegetto in since the anime had put him in a year prior.
Yeah, it does act to explain why the nameless Namek had a demonic side that he had to split off. If they are not currently demons, but are descended from them, maybe the demon nature is like a dormant primal form in the same way that the Oozaru is for Saiyans.
Saiyans can definitely turn into Demons... at least Piccolo took sadistic pleasure in the idea of turning Gohan, the son of his worst enemy, into a Demon at the beginning of the Saiyan arc.
How could Toriyama not have been aware of Supreme Kai and Kibito having unmerged over the entirety of Super? No, this is just another alternate canon ala all the old movies, BoG and Ressurection F, Super manga, Super anime, ambiguous two latest movies in one of those, Heroes, and GT.
I hate that Vegeta is in his Cell saga armor. Him being stuck in that armor reminds me that he was gone from a well developed character who constantly evolves to an icon who can't break away what is known for. It's a problem with a lot of Dragon Ball characters, there not allowed to have new costumes because there old clothes are to iconic for the people behind the show to want to get rid of.
Dude its just armor, he wears the same type ever since we have seen him, Toriyama just gave him less piece of armor as the series went on to make it easier to draw.
@@Thisdude850 With all due respect Your missing the point, the armor is a point about how his character has been stuck in a loop where he can't grow and change. I like it when my characters can alter there looks and get new outfits to reflect a new Era in there life.
@@lesterwilliamsjr649 Ah ok then as long as you aren't one of those people delusional enough to think the armor reflects his character development or something, then my bad.
But Vegeta has grown over time? 😭 Just because he sticks to the core fundamentals of his character like his pride as a saiyan doesnt mean he hasn’t grown whatsoever
So, according to this episode, everyone with pointy ears originates from the Demon Realm. So, Mr. Popo, Supreme Khai, King Khai, basically everyone from the Otherworld/Heavenly Realm is a demon? And Pool, too?
I hope you do reviews of the other episodes! 1) I imagine it would help the channel to cover the new hot topic in DB 2) The GT series puts you in a strong place to make parallels and comparisons 3) You analysis is insightful and always brings a different perspective. I almost always walk away from one of your videos feeling like I have learned something even if I have different feelings about the topic being covered. I look forward to whatever coverage you do of DB Daima in the future!
Feels like someone decided the second episode just has to open with everyone dealing with the wish, and by gum, they'd do whatever it took to make sure the first episode didn't get there early. I can't believe it took all day for me to realize that the Tamigamis don't exist just as an excuse for the demons to go after some other world's Dragon Balls, but to eventually give our heroes a tough fight when they inevitably need to take the Demon Realm's Dragon Balls to fix whatever.
Well, getting the scenes I love drawn in better art (or at least new HD art) is always exciting to me. Res F SS Goku vs Freeza, Broli Goku killing Picollo, Superhero Goku vs RR Army... those are all small crumbs that I eat aggressively. Funny thing is, I know theyre playing me, but...
Retconning a retcon and then never having to explain it, he was the Toriyama we all know and love to the very end. What’s funny is that a time limit on Potara should in theory make more sense than Boo’s “bad air”. But from what we see happen in The Boo arc, the “bad air” makes way more sense to me than the almost supernatural coincidence that they just happened to reach their time limit the very second they come into contact with Boo’s insides. (That sounds weird but Dragon Ball fans know what I mean.) BUT, to circle back to it after the fan base accepts the time limit explanation is actually so hilarious to me.
The explanations wouldn't even mutually excludent if Kaioshin hadn't specifically said that the reason Goku and Vegeta separated was due to the time running out in Super. Eh, isn't the first contradictory weird thing in DB's continuity. I've seen people mention an interview from Toyotaro saying that Vegeto wasn't initially meant to appear in the Goku Black storyline (would make sense, given he ultimately plays no role other than push Zamasu/Black to a breaking point, which narratively could have been done by the characters without fusion), so it's possible Toriyama was never aware of these new Potara rules.
Everybody seems to be talking about this episode like it's a masterpiece. It's kind of crazy because I couldn't agree more that this episode is nothing but potential that HOPEFULLY we'll see pay off later.
It definitely isn’t a masterpiece, but it is a VERY promising opening for a new series. And I’m happy for that-and it retconning Super out of canon-alone. Plus, the animation definitely tells me there was heart and soul put into this.
@@androidsenpai1462 I don't think anyone is denying that there is definitely potential here but this will be the 3rd original "canon" series that toei has made and to say that their other attempts with gt and super were pester children for wasted potential is an understatement. On a side note if Diama doesn't make good use of its existence then it possibly wiping super from the cannon will only serve to make an already muddied canon even worse.
@@rominevideos GT and Super were made purely with monetization in mind. GT was following up Dragon Ball Z, and Super was following up DBZ Movies 14 and 15. Both were made because of one thing that was the most popular DB thing of that era, and they were rushed and permanently suffered as a result. By comparison, we currently live in an era where the last animated DB property was a movie that released over two years ago, and where the last official installment in any Dragon Ball storyline was a DB Super manga chapter that was published nearly-if not already-seven months ago. Daima is not riding anything else’s success but its own, and the most anticipation it rode was the death of the man who created it. It’s certainly not riding on Sparking: Zero; if anything, that game’s riding on IT. My point is, I honestly don’t think Toei is going to screw this up. At least not if it’s limited to one season.
@@androidsenpai1462 I don't think the lead up to the varies series is good enough reason to assume that this is the one that will really work. To be fair that goes the other direction as well. I also want to make it perfectly clear that I want this to succeed as much as anyone but I see no reason to be anything other than cautiously optimistic.
7:00- Dabura’s brother: my bro’s dead and he’s a cookie and now campy? Towa’s gonna hate this. Well, she’s weird and the less said about her odd love life the better. Now the buu thing is dead- no he’s back to life- now he’s killed the annoying shrimp- now he’s befriended an Afro and a dog- the dog was shot that somehow made him cough up a skinner grey copy- it ate him and wow- he looks so menacing- oh wait, now he’s copying that cell guy and he’s lost that cool factor- now he’s a child…which is his original form- he blew up the world- and now he’s dead. What’s next? Shin’s brother: either we go decades later to do a very controversial finale or we spend a long gap of suspense-less yet expansive lore extensions- I like the latter more when you see the huge flaws of the former
I think the reason Supreme Kai says the potara fusion is permanent for Goku and Vegeta is because he seemed unaware of the 1 hour time limit for mortals in the Goku Black saga. That information was revealed by Gowasu, not Shin, if I recall correctly. But like you said, it still brings into question why Shin and Kibito mentioned using the dragon balls in Super, especially because that reason for defusing exists in both the manga and anime so it's not a matter of this show following a different telling of the same story. I mess with it heavy tho, I think the episode oozes charm even if it is, admittedly, pretty poorly paced and I'm super excited to see your breakdown of the series as more episodes come out!
In the DBS manga, after hearing GOwause's explaination of the Potara time limit, he says "oh, so that's why you two defused inside of Boo". Plot hole regardless unless Toyotaro makes his own manga-version of Dragon Ball Daima (hopefully not).
Good to hear this series has potential, all that is left now is to see if they capitalize on it. Also it's just plain funny to me that we are hearing that Dabura has yet another family member (his father) atop of his sister, nephew, and brother in law. Yet Tenshinhan, Chiaotzu, and Yamcha still have zilch in the way of relatives haha.
And also his and Towa's grandpa: Mechikabula (he's also from Heroes). Now that makes me wonder if said grandpa is the father of Dabra's dad or of his mom.
I liked the Buu arc recap at the beginning. We learned a lot about the demon realm during it and also got to learn about the new villains and see their reaction to what happened during the Buu arc. Maybe it was a bit long, but I enjoyed it.
I completely agree about the pacing, but one thing I want to say is how great the production of this series is. The art style is very crisp, and everything is rendered really lovingly. Like, the demon real for how little we see it looks incredible. I'd have killed for Super to have looked this good. And while a lot of the dialogue is wiki lore, the character acting at the very least is excellent.
I watched the whole episode but I definitely paused for a while during that info dump, it felt really weird and it made me think what are they trying to do with the story.
I liked the dynamics of the new characters introduced and thought what little we saw of the Makai was creative enough. I thought the demon characters look straight out of Dragon Quest and that's a good thing. I also didn't mind most of the exposition because it felt diegetic enough: would make sense high-ranking members of the Makai would watch closely when their king was enslaved by Babidi's magic and on top of that he summoned Buu. While it's shameless to start the series with memberberries, honestly as a fan I did enjoy seeing moments of the Buu arc with new animation. My issue is repetition. They explain the Makai Dragon Balls to Dende after they had already been discussed, they reveal the wish halfway through the episode only for nothing to go wrong when they make the wish (well except Shen Long trying to outsmart them with specificities and semantics, I thought that was funny). It's like they were struggling to fill the 30 minutes of airtime while keeping the wish to the final minute. I agree there's a lot of potential, and I hope the series lives up to it. Going by this episode I like the villains and the animation looks good. And while loredumping isn't my favorite method of worldbuilding, what we got does sound interesting, assuming the characters will actually get to explore the Makai. That's a start. I'll say one thing though. A very petty side of me is just dying to see all the people screaming in forced hype about "THE LORE!" and just raving about the Goku and Vegeta fight to start cracking once the series kicks into gear with everyone turned into kids and the gags start coming up. EDIT: About the Namekian thing, the implication in Japanese is that they are descendant from Demons. His wording is "your Namekian ancestors were the same, right?" I think this episode is implying everyone with their kind of pointy ears is a blood descendant from Demon Realm inhabitants. Which if true, humorously enough would include even characters like Pilaf and Monaka, though I doubt they were thinking of anyone besides the Namekians when coming up with this.
Are we gonna talk about when Krillin (I think he said it) said to Goku "Wow, thank kami that you used Shenron's wish to make Buu a good guy". I think they are refering to the fat one, seeing how the conversation went up until that moment, but I thought that the team used Shenron only to make people forget about the image of Buu when he was terrorizing the planet (talking about wishes regarding Buu towards the end of the arc), or am I forgetting something? Some people also say: "They are not talking about Fat Buu but Kid Buu" If that is the case, I think it's still wrong because Goku asked Enma to reincarnate him in a good hearted human, unless I'm wrong and forgetting something
@@BagOfMagicFood I... guess that could be an explanation? But he's talking with Goku, the one who proposed the wish, so wouldn't he try and make things clear on what happened? ... *WAIT A MINUTE?!?!* That's exactly what happened towards the end of the Buu arc!! Majin Buu showed up on Kami's look out, everyone freaked out and started getting on the difensive/offensive but Goku (and Mr. Satan too if I remember correctly, or it was only him) started calming down the others. What did they tell them? Did they lie or told exactly what happened? If they said they asked Shenron to make Buu good, the Dragon Balls weren't quite active in that moment of the timeline (I think, or I'm just wrong), so they would know or were they willing to wait for Shenron to "make him good"? I think I'm putting more thinking in this idea than the staff in Toei and probably Toriyama himself...
I think its a poor translation. he used shenrons wish to make everyone forget about buu, thus allowing him to live within humanity alongside humans - i.e., a good guy
Since you briefly mentioned Trunks' age, I'm gonna use this opportunity to vent. One of my biggest pet peeves about modern Dragon Ball is the insistent on not updating Goten and Trunks' appearance to the point they're doubledowning on the justification. I don't care about the "Saiyans don't have a growth spurt until 15" excuse, I'm not buying it. For one, Goku actually does age a bit from age 12-15; Gohan aged pretty normally in his youth; and the alternate timeline version of Trunks seemingly aged normally at 14 compared to 14-year-old Trunks in the main timeline. Assuming the Pilaf Gang are biologically the same age as Trunks, I guess Mai is secretly half Saiyan because she seemingly has the same growth pattern as Trunks. And for Marron, how do you explain her growth spurt from looking like a toddler for 9 years to being taller than her dad by 12?
They did bring up the ideal of white magic and negative magic. Perhaps the name Kian are demons that willed the positive aspect of magic while the parts of not passing on if killed could come from namekians if they use black magic and stuff.
I like how this episode kind of implies that Neva is extremely powerful? He doesn't just instantly gather all 7 dragon balls that have scattered all over Earth, even though he literally just arrived on the planet, he also replenishes them with energy so they can grant wishes again immediately without waiting a year.
I think it speaks more to his domain over the magic governing the Dragon Balls than necessarily to his power in a broad sense. The inhabitants of the Makai seem to not understand the concept of Ki all that much and be more familiar with magic, at least going by this episode.
I hope you do more of these weekly off the cuff vids. This is literally the last time you'll be able to do something like this with new DB material that comes from Toriyama. Would be cool to have that journey with you.
Namekians needed that sort of connection due to their powers. Their ability to create a dragon capable of cheating the rules of the Universe was always odd to me. At least their connection with the Demon Realm makes some sense of the whole thing. The worst part was really the split of the Kaioshins. I mean, have some sense of continuity for crying out loud. Toriyama had the final say as the creator, but at least find some middle ground and don't keep changing things that have been established before. Toei has its own writters but I'd think that Toriyama would have to approve the scripts? The confusion about what Toriyama actually did in Super just got worse after this episode. The episode itself was a nice start and wonderful to look at. At least it made me curious about what this series will offer.
i mean Baba can bring people back from the dead, if briefly, and she's definitely just human and uses magic. so it wouldn't be Hard to believe that Namekians can simply just make wish granting magic balls. if anything thats the only godlike powerful thing they can do. hell the ability to make dragonballs is even seperated by clan so it's not like every Namekian's kidney stone is a Universe breaking macguffin. Also the Namekians are once again demons sure, but they're not *Gods*, so it's not like making them demons again still makes Universe Breaking crystal balls make more sense, if anything it makes no sense still... cus they're not gods. they're just seemingly normal lowly demons, common people from a strange realm, they shouldn't even have the ability as common demons. not even Majin Buu's power is that universe breaking. "demon" is just gonna be Daima's new unspoken "aliens are powerful" rule
@stephanos6128 They are not "making Namekians demons again". They never were. Masakous are different from Majin/Makai residents. You would think Mistarefusion's viewers would by now know what the "demon" in Piccolo stood for.
A few thoughts after watching the first two episodes: 1. I wish the Tamagami resembled the demons that King Piccolo produced in the Demon King Piccolo Arc. That would be really fun. 2. I understand why so much of the first episode is a flashback of the Buu Saga. To Dragon Ball fans who are really in the weeds, it might not seem that strange that Daima takes place between the Buu Saga and Battle of Gods. To the average fan, it probably will though. Not to mention, I really enjoyed recapping the major beats of the Buu Saga through the perspective of the villains. It was a really interesting lens to introduce them through. 3. I’m really fascinated by Neva. I hope he’s explored more throughout this series. 4. I’m interested to see how/if the character’s in this series will be reintroduced in Super.
I don't think this episode will be reflective of the series pacing generally, but while they were Tivo-ing the Buu Saga I did check the time and think "8 minutes, huh?"
Personally the early segments with the villains were so good to me, it made me not really mind that the segment with our heroes was a bit clunky by comparison Even when it's just the Boo arc recap, I love how much we see of their personalities as a result, there's some really cool stuff like Degesu being the first to realize the implications of Dabra's death in regards to the power Gomah has just gained, which clearly didn't even cross the latter's mind Gomah clearly enjoying power but also having this underlying insecurity about it hiding behind his arrogance, also evident from a lotta his actions The family resemblence of Degesu and Shin, with the former also constantly getting his mind blown by the things happening around him It all just oozes charm to me With the Potara thing I honestly just feel Toriyama wanted to split up Kibitoshin and either never specified how or forgot/didn't care about the Super explanation, and no one wanted to talk back to him there Heck maybe the two will fuse again or smth I dont think its a smoking gun or anything
The first episode was mostly set up, I agree. Introduce the Demon Realms while hinting at the many factions there are (Gohma and Degasu are one, although the ltter has an unknown wish, Anrisu's loyalty is put into question, Giarlo is implied to also be against them, and Neva is an unknown but clearly relevant given how massively powerful among Namekian magicians is), plus their reaction to the power of the characters (I found amusing how to them the fact they could fly was shocking). Is it perfect? Eh, not really, but it's just the first part of a whole. And it excited me to see more.
21:26 - the whole Demon / nemekian business being a topic of discussion is surprising to me. This is how I see the timeline: Kami comes to earth, decides to be a god to the people and splits from his dark side. Dark side is effectively born on earth and regardless of what he believes he is, the people call him “Demon King” as he’s a foil to god and is effectively evil. Goku defeates DK piccolo and Piccolo jr is born, retaining some of DK piccolo’s personality because he’s kind of a son, a little bit of a clone. It’s magic and it’s fun. Piccolo JR has no idea he could even be an alien. And has no idea about this until at least meeting Kami.
I havent been following Daima at all and I agree about the pacing. But having the first episode set some ground rules and recapping the lore after the shitshow that is Dragon Ball post buu (Im a Super hater) it was nice and put me at ease. Im excited to watch the rest
After listening to your thoughts on this, yeah I agree, the half-a-episode worth of retcons/loredump was kind of weird. On the other hand, though, JAAN JAKA JAAN weekly Dragon Ball is back baby (this time with actually good animation)
I'd have been much more down for it if Dabra's father's name was Abraca - it'd complete the reference with Dabra's name, it's more unique both in the sense of not just being the word Abra, alongside how Abra is popularly known as the name of a Pokémon, but it's also highly evocative of the word Abraxas, the popularly believed root word of Abracadabra
12:14 This new retcon utop of another retcon makes the Potara Fusion more convoluted the5n it was before. And it's kinda making the Fusion Dance much better in comparison by how simple its rules are.
All it did was show that buus body can defuse people like we originally thought in dbz. That doesn't change the super retcon at all. The mortal time limit can still exist, and Shin wouldn't even know about it at this point.
Totallynotmark did a video trying to figure out what's Canon between supers anime and their manga, basically saying that anything that happens in both must've been a toriyama note but any differences must've been either made my by the mangas artist/writer or the studio in the anime's case. For me the potara bit made sense to me in that the explanation only comes in the anime (unless I don't remember the manga correctly) and not the manga, which told me that it was a studio note. Whereas this is Toriyamas final word on how it actually works. I'm going with this explanation in my head.
Thank you for the video. I have not posted an opinion other than here. I agree with the fun ideas. I liked Daima. It is very weird to watch DB in high definition for me but not precisely bad. It is a relief that it is not as poorly animated as Super.
Really enjoyed your thoughts. Had similar feelings about it not being a good introduction to the series, but depending on the show I'm more of a "whole package" person. If the second episode is better paced with less of this "lore dumping," I'll be right on board with the Daima train.
I had a lot of the same thoughts as you. I could not believe the timestamp said 12 minutes when I was still watching Buu arc recap. We needed a reminder on Dabura, the villains needed to know he died, and that there were strong guys on Earth, and that there were Namekians on Earth. The recap could've been two minutes. I have to assume that Kibito and Shin were split apart because Shin needed to be in his original form for interactions with his siblings later in the arc. And they couldn't use the Dragon Balls to split them, because it was supposed to be right after the Dragon Balls were used. So... they used the only rationale any other character had provided, even though it makes no sense.
I would be stoked if you covered each episode but i would survive if you covered them in groups of episodes. Honestly im more excited for you to dissect supers manga because i thiught it was way better than the anime at times
Dunno if someone else in the comments pointed it out, but it is interesting that the characters in the demon realm use “Namekku-jin” rather than “Namekku-seijin”. Presumably because we now know the Namek species probably pre-dates them living on Planet Namek
The lore dump and recap stuff is cute for maybe newcomers or nostalgia but honestly most of DB's fandom is people that already know all that and some more, at least in mexico I know kids under 10 years old that have seen all DB, Z, GT and Super, I don't know what's the situation in japan but I bet most kids know this stuff as well, and every adult interested in DB sure knows all of this.
It is a bit funny that here Shenron is asking for details on this wish considering if this is indeed before Super, then either Shenron ripped off the Pilaf Gang, or one of them (probably Pilaf) misspoke and Shenron interpreted as them wanting to be children again. The whole thing is Potara is weird too. I pretty much accepted Super's take, so for them to backtrack again is just jarring. I don't think this is meant to replace Super considering how huge Super is, but I guess we'll see.
Right, according to that bonus chapter, the Pilaf Gang made that wish to get younger way back when Dr. Gero's creations started showing up--to make it still happen in Future Trunks' timeline so he can have a romance with Mai too--and they've just been aging back from being babies since then because Shenlong just assumed they wanted to be babies. So I guess whatever adventure results in the death of Black Freeza also ends up making the Pilaf Gang old again so GT can still happen, right?
Shenlong's eyes narrow before he starts asking for specifics. I think he was trying to play genie in order to do a solid for the dragon team, minimize damage if he can. Shenlong has shown bias in new Dragon Ball plenty of times. Plus, last time he granted a demon's wishes he got blown up for his troubles.
@pensandoemalgo.5722 Absolutely false, do not spread misinformatiom. He agreed and knew about it. Hell, he read the manga page by page as we know from interviews and redraws, and in the manga Fused Zamasu also defused due to not being oficially promoted to Kaioshin. Not to mention the idea of the time limit was probably his in the first place. Toyotaro already introduced a way to undo Potara before: the Dragonballs. There was zero reason for Vegetto to not just defuse once they returned to the past. The time limit however is completely on brand for Toriyama and his 2014 style of unnecesary retcons. It's amazing what ridiculous mental gymnastics people are doing to somehow exclude Toriyama from criticism for forgetting about something, again. He forgot the name of Super as he admitted (hemce Super Super Hero) himself ffs!
@@gokunenn4243 Akira never planned for Zamasu to be so strong, all the evolution and fusion between the zamasus were Toyotaro's ideas. So, although Akira gave permission, it was never something that was in his plans, and he even forgets things planned by him, especially by someone else.
I think they wasted a lot of time telling us the story we know one more time and giving exposition but not in an optimal way, just infodumping stuff to "fill the gaps". People are pissed about the new Vegetto/Pothala retcon, but what I hated (maybe the subtitles I read were wrong) is when Kuririn said that Boo became good, not due to his interactions with Satan, but because Goku made a wish to the Dragon to make him good. Bullshit, if it is so easy, why don't they make that wish for every villain that threathens the Earth?
It's weird sometimes the easiest answer is ignored in order to make a more convoluted new one. Of course it has nothing to do with Mr. Satan, it was just Goku doing the whole wishing thing. Screw his contributions to that.
Maybe Kuririn just doesn't know what he's talking about, I don't think this needs to be taken as a retcon. Kuririn knows Goku wished for Buu to be reborn as a good guy and Buu is hanging around them now. I don't think either Goku or Satan bothered to go around explaining the situation in detail.
Maybe the recap at the beginning was unnecesarry, but I like that it made a lot of people want a remake of the entire series. Personally I would absolutely love it if it did happen.
I find it interesting that Gomah's outfit is similar to Towa's from Xenoverse/Heroes/etc.--which is the only other stuff that's kinda picked at the Demon Realm. So maybe they're vaguely hinting that that stuff "counts" for whatever it's worth, not that I think a series like this is going to actually draw in stuff from that kind of peripheral material.
Regarding the method Kibitoshin used to unfuse it's not the first time the series has retcons And if I recall correctly the one who in the future says Potara isn't permanent for humans is Gowasu and he did it to correct someone, don't quote on me on that though, could be wrong
Do the Dragon Ball characters do anything other than have barbecues or celebrate birthdays? Seriously, how many of these reunions have we seen in the last few years?
dude this is such a pet peeve of mine! these characters were supposed to be hermit martial artists who met at tournaments or when the world is in danger, they'd go years without seeing each other in Z and original series... now it seems like Goku pops over to Bulma's house every sunday lol
When you’re nearly killed from battles or actually killed consistently (in your timeline and multiple others) plus your worlds constantly in danger from alien threats, then, making the most of your time with family and friends makes more sense and the least they could do
100% agree and it pisses me off how played out the "party/reunion at bulma" is as a setting, DBS was the worst offender, it felt like we were stuck in the same day for the entire 131 episodes, it was tiring. I would have preffered the idea of goku just traveling around the world, seeing different locations and meeting new people as part of his journey, you know like he did before chichi brought marriage? a wife and children made goku less interesting and fun to watch.....
When I first watched that episode and the get-together is celebrating Trunks' birthday, my immediate first thought was "geez, how many big celebrations do these guys participate in before they start getting bored of it all."
I enjoyed this and hey, you know what, I respect not wanting to do this every week because a lot of people don’t like react content and I’m a fusion loyalist Maybe this might be a thing to see on weeks with no dbd
With the explanation of how Kaioshin and Kibito seperated differing from the one in Dragonball Super, I from here on out will consider Daima as it's own continuity, seperate from GT and and Super.
To be fair, Kaioshin doesn't know about the 1 hour time limit yet. Gowasu is the one who tells them about that. They bad air in Buu and the time limit can coexist. The only problem now is that Kaioshin and Kibito need to refuse before the end of the series and Goku will for some teason be surprised when they split again in Super.
The whole thing with SAIYANS having a growth spurt at 15 is odd because Gohan had a growth spurt in the ROSAT while Goku was with him and Trunks in the special TORIYAMA wrote is about 14 and noticeably taller, it’s just weird
Yeah the real reason is they didn’t care about redesigning Goten and Trunks in DBS. Later they thought, 'Hey, Goku also had a sudden growth spurt, so let’s say that's a Saiyan thing!' But with Goku, it was just because back then it was rare for a manga protagonist to actually grow up.
Yeah, it was a neat explanation for Goku when it was introduced in the Jaco manga, and Gohan you can explain away because he’s half. Trunks is the problem here
Half humans??? So they had growth spurts earlier?? I agree, it’s not consistent, because of Goten and kid trunks. Kid trunks especially doesn’t make any sense as we see future trunks taller, but maybe because he was actually raised by a saiyan, but that shouldn’t change his biology…. Let’s not overthink a cartoon…😢😢😅
I've always had a head canon that growth can be accelerated based on environment. Gohan and figure trucks both spent childhoods in near constant danger, and grew similarly to a human. While Goten and Trunks grew up in mostly luxury and peace, disregarding the brief threat of Buu.
It’s not well executed and the potara stuff is a lame re-retcon, but the animation and the general concept of this story in Daima seems like it will be fun and great!
Kibito and Shin did not know that the potara was not permanent on humans until Super so I think that there is even less of a contradiction here. In my opinion if Kibito and Shin merge via potara again by the end of this show everything still fits. I'm not saying it's not kind of weird but in the Super anime they explicitly make Shin look unknowledgeable about the potara and the rules about it so the fact that they go to Buu first kinda makes sense to me when they saw it work on Vegito.
@Akaketsugami What are you talking about? Generally people consider "canon" things that were written by the original author. GT was not and that's why it was no longer "canon" but both the Super anime as well as manga were outlined by Toriyama so they are still "canon" regardless of what this show says/ does. Some things in it could be retconned but the Super manga is still ongoing, why would they ever make a currently running manga just magically non-canon?
@@newgiohguy3711 if you were around back when GT aired the tune was entorely different, everyone considered it canon, be it good or not, it was only when battle of gods came around that its status was put into question, rightfully so.
It seemed even in Z Supreme Kai knew less then he should cuz when Old Kai came out. Now my assumption is Shin hadn't finished training when the other Kais and Daiyokai were killed by Buu. So Shin still a noob until Old Kai comes out. Now if they so fused again at the end of Daima why not use Buu again to unfuse after that instead of using the Dballs from Namek?
I think the part of Demon King Piccolo's victims not being able to revive due to dying to demon clansmen had to do with the godly split Kami performed to separate his evil side into its own being. Knowing that Namekians are already demons/from the demon realm, maybe it's a result of him being a demon born from a ritual/being composed entirely of evil? That's just my head-canon tho and I hope the topic gets addressed in the series going forward
Yeah, im basically on the same boat, i was annoy when even the Dragon Team was just dropping lore. The only thing that happen with the Dragon Team which i liked was the idea of Daima saying "Nah forget about that Super crap, this is the REAL sequel" i find it hilarious because all of those people saying that "GT is no canon, Super is the real canon, forget all about GT bad series", i wonder what they will say now. But yeah basically i was like "This has a lot of potential can't wait for the adventure to truly begin, you know, seeing Goku messing around and stuff". But this episode was just set up... A long set up, probably longer to give us some ideas of what's going, through i did find interesting that the Namekuseijin can just summon the sleep Dragon Balls and reactivate them, alongside the kind of confirmation of there being white and black magic. Someone on the team or Toriyama really had Dragon Quest on their mind and i love it.
The Dragon Ball canon has been a completely lost cause since the Super anime and manga split up, discussing what is the "actual story" of Dragon Ball at this point is pretty moot, you're better off not thinking about it and just watching whatever you want.
>Dragon Ball (Start as Kid) >DBZ (Classic fights you know Adult) >Daima (First Age regression) >Super (Reverses that Age Regression in time for the BIGGEST GOD LEVEL Fights that put Z to Small Potatos!) >GT (Another Age Regression) You are now realizing that if 'Every one of these Shows is canon' like the Creators seem to like to think and treat it like they are since they dont 'Go Past' GT that Goku has suffered Age Regression at least TWICE. Some timeline.... ....you sure we couldn't get an 'Experimental Spin Off' about one of the other 12 Universes from TOP and get New Characters and Plots to Farm ideas and DB Heroes Cards? As a way to 'Lower Stakes' again and 'Rebuild' Certain Characters (Not necessarily the 80 TOP Contestants) make up Villains to fight and do that? For Lulz and giggles?
I guess not. Toei is to stuck on Goku and Vegeta's marketing value and Toriyama apparently really struggled to write dragonball with out having Goku as the mc. The existence of Jacko is nothing short of a miracle really.
Im not sure why but i have a good feeling about diama. Of course its too early to call but something about it feels really refreshing. 0:29 also to your point this is the year of the dragon in the chinese zodiac Here's to hoping we dont get another series with just goku, and vegeta 😵💫
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It's kind of funny that they are trying to squeeze another series in-between Z and Super lol
very sad tbh.
As long as it's fun they can squeeze a series in the 5 minutes before Namek explode for all i care lol
@@keicamboom9915 So the old Dragonball Z movies than?
@@AnAverageGoblin how come?
Assuming this and Super can coexist
As a Japanese speaker living in Japan and a fan of Dragon Ball, I'd like to share some insights into the new character name puns:
Neba - This comes from "neba-neba," meaning "sticky" or "viscous," which ties into the Namekians' naming theme based on snails. It also reflects the character's trait of not washing, resulting in a sticky body.
Goma - This simply refers to sesame seeds, a common word in Japanese. (Goma dressings are quite popular here.)
Tamagami - As you mentioned, it means "Gods of the Balls."
How does sticky tie into nails?
@@t.dmattocks6119 Oops, just edited the message-thanks for pointing that out! It was, of course, "S"nails. ;)
It may be possible that Goma's name may also be an additional pun on the magical word schemes. We had Bibidi, Babadi, Boo. Now Abura and Dabura. So the "sesame" name work for the phrase "Open Sesame"
@@croceenrico7976 What about Degesu?
I believe the second pun on “Goma” is spelled “Gomā” for the character’s name, so I refer to him as “Gomer” due to the fact it’s a pun. Crunchyroll translated that as “Gomah” for some reason.
I'm pretty surprised at how okay I am with the "Namekians originated from the Demon Realm" concept. Maybe it's because I always thought it was a little odd how Namekians can gain these demonic traits when they go evil when characters from other villain characters like the Saiyans or Freeza don't. Namekians having that potential because they originate from the Demon Realm makes as much sense as anything else.
Regarding the Potara, one of my Twitter moots suggested that Toriyama might not've really been involved with Vegetto's inclusion into the Goku Black arc, and so might not have even known about how it retcons the Potara to have a time limit. So he's just blissfully unaware that he's backing over Toei lore again, like baby Pan being able to fly.
According to an interview with Toriyama and Toyotaro in 2017 about the Future Trunks Arc, Vegetto wasn't in the arc at all, and the Potara time limit was gonna play a part in Zamasu's defeat. Toyotaro then said he wanted to "meet the reader's expectations" so he probably put Vegetto in since the anime had put him in a year prior.
Yeah, it does act to explain why the nameless Namek had a demonic side that he had to split off. If they are not currently demons, but are descended from them, maybe the demon nature is like a dormant primal form in the same way that the Oozaru is for Saiyans.
Saiyans can definitely turn into Demons... at least Piccolo took sadistic pleasure in the idea of turning Gohan, the son of his worst enemy, into a Demon at the beginning of the Saiyan arc.
Maybe because Piccolo Daimo called himself the Demon King?
Kinda fits that they're demonic in origin
How could Toriyama not have been aware of Supreme Kai and Kibito having unmerged over the entirety of Super? No, this is just another alternate canon ala all the old movies, BoG and Ressurection F, Super manga, Super anime, ambiguous two latest movies in one of those, Heroes, and GT.
Excited for DBD to cover… DBD 😅
(I know this isn’t Dissection proper, just wanted to make that joke.)
Dragon Ball Digestion
What do you MEAN he wont do the Super Anime and Manga first?
@@MrValBar2 LMAO
I hate that Vegeta is in his Cell saga armor.
Him being stuck in that armor reminds me that he was gone from a well developed character who constantly evolves to an icon who can't break away what is known for.
It's a problem with a lot of Dragon Ball characters, there not allowed to have new costumes because there old clothes are to iconic for the people behind the show to want to get rid of.
Dude its just armor, he wears the same type ever since we have seen him, Toriyama just gave him less piece of armor as the series went on to make it easier to draw.
@@Thisdude850 With all due respect
Your missing the point, the armor is a point about how his character has been stuck in a loop where he can't grow and change.
I like it when my characters can alter there looks and get new outfits to reflect a new Era in there life.
@@lesterwilliamsjr649 Ah ok then as long as you aren't one of those people delusional enough to think the armor reflects his character development or something, then my bad.
we can't have gt vegeta outfit
japanese fans would cry uwu
But Vegeta has grown over time? 😭
Just because he sticks to the core fundamentals of his character like his pride as a saiyan doesnt mean he hasn’t grown whatsoever
So, according to this episode, everyone with pointy ears originates from the Demon Realm. So, Mr. Popo, Supreme Khai, King Khai, basically everyone from the Otherworld/Heavenly Realm is a demon? And Pool, too?
And Garlic Jr. and the Hera Clan and Konatsians if we want to include movie characters.
I remember watching the episode and looking at my watch thinking, "They're almost halfway through the episode watching a recap of the Boo arc."
Honestly, i dont care. It looks good. Same reason I likr Broli.
It’s crazy cause Even GT has an episode where vegeta does the exact same thing
@@marxist-leninist-protagonistDB fans aren’t beating the jingling keys allegations 😭😭😭
I hope you do reviews of the other episodes!
1) I imagine it would help the channel to cover the new hot topic in DB
2) The GT series puts you in a strong place to make parallels and comparisons
3) You analysis is insightful and always brings a different perspective. I almost always walk away from one of your videos feeling like I have learned something even if I have different feelings about the topic being covered.
I look forward to whatever coverage you do of DB Daima in the future!
Feels like someone decided the second episode just has to open with everyone dealing with the wish, and by gum, they'd do whatever it took to make sure the first episode didn't get there early.
I can't believe it took all day for me to realize that the Tamigamis don't exist just as an excuse for the demons to go after some other world's Dragon Balls, but to eventually give our heroes a tough fight when they inevitably need to take the Demon Realm's Dragon Balls to fix whatever.
I'm loving all the "Wow! Dragon Ball Daima is amazing! Just look at how exciting the scenes depicting events from the previous show are!"
Are you being sarcastic or what?
kek true
Well, getting the scenes I love drawn in better art (or at least new HD art) is always exciting to me. Res F SS Goku vs Freeza, Broli Goku killing Picollo, Superhero Goku vs RR Army... those are all small crumbs that I eat aggressively.
Funny thing is, I know theyre playing me, but...
@@Potent-potential Nnnmnaaaw!
god forbid they reanimate some iconic scenes
Super's continuity isn't even consistent between the anime and manga.
Retconning a retcon and then never having to explain it, he was the Toriyama we all know and love to the very end.
What’s funny is that a time limit on Potara should in theory make more sense than Boo’s “bad air”. But from what we see happen in The Boo arc, the “bad air” makes way more sense to me than the almost supernatural coincidence that they just happened to reach their time limit the very second they come into contact with Boo’s insides. (That sounds weird but Dragon Ball fans know what I mean.) BUT, to circle back to it after the fan base accepts the time limit explanation is actually so hilarious to me.
The explanations wouldn't even mutually excludent if Kaioshin hadn't specifically said that the reason Goku and Vegeta separated was due to the time running out in Super. Eh, isn't the first contradictory weird thing in DB's continuity.
I've seen people mention an interview from Toyotaro saying that Vegeto wasn't initially meant to appear in the Goku Black storyline (would make sense, given he ultimately plays no role other than push Zamasu/Black to a breaking point, which narratively could have been done by the characters without fusion), so it's possible Toriyama was never aware of these new Potara rules.
No, it hasn't retconned non Kaio time limit
@@dreamcore7 It retcons the reason Goku and Vegeta defused when they were inside Boo. That’s what I’m talking about.
I always assumed the reason Vegito defused inside Buu was because Buu was a magical being, so his magic did it, and I thought that was fine.
@@reversalmushroom That was the implication, and also pretty much what I said in my comment.
Everybody seems to be talking about this episode like it's a masterpiece. It's kind of crazy because I couldn't agree more that this episode is nothing but potential that HOPEFULLY we'll see pay off later.
We've been starved for a while of animated DB so everyone's riding the hype, and also this being possibly the last project Tori worked on
It definitely isn’t a masterpiece, but it is a VERY promising opening for a new series. And I’m happy for that-and it retconning Super out of canon-alone.
Plus, the animation definitely tells me there was heart and soul put into this.
@@androidsenpai1462 I don't think anyone is denying that there is definitely potential here but this will be the 3rd original "canon" series that toei has made and to say that their other attempts with gt and super were pester children for wasted potential is an understatement. On a side note if Diama doesn't make good use of its existence then it possibly wiping super from the cannon will only serve to make an already muddied canon even worse.
@@rominevideos GT and Super were made purely with monetization in mind. GT was following up Dragon Ball Z, and Super was following up DBZ Movies 14 and 15. Both were made because of one thing that was the most popular DB thing of that era, and they were rushed and permanently suffered as a result.
By comparison, we currently live in an era where the last animated DB property was a movie that released over two years ago, and where the last official installment in any Dragon Ball storyline was a DB Super manga chapter that was published nearly-if not already-seven months ago. Daima is not riding anything else’s success but its own, and the most anticipation it rode was the death of the man who created it. It’s certainly not riding on Sparking: Zero; if anything, that game’s riding on IT.
My point is, I honestly don’t think Toei is going to screw this up. At least not if it’s limited to one season.
@@androidsenpai1462 I don't think the lead up to the varies series is good enough reason to assume that this is the one that will really work. To be fair that goes the other direction as well. I also want to make it perfectly clear that I want this to succeed as much as anyone but I see no reason to be anything other than cautiously optimistic.
7:00- Dabura’s brother: my bro’s dead and he’s a cookie and now campy? Towa’s gonna hate this. Well, she’s weird and the less said about her odd love life the better.
Now the buu thing is dead- no he’s back to life- now he’s killed the annoying shrimp- now he’s befriended an Afro and a dog- the dog was shot that somehow made him cough up a skinner grey copy- it ate him and wow- he looks so menacing- oh wait, now he’s copying that cell guy and he’s lost that cool factor- now he’s a child…which is his original form- he blew up the world- and now he’s dead. What’s next?
Shin’s brother: either we go decades later to do a very controversial finale or we spend a long gap of suspense-less yet expansive lore extensions- I like the latter more when you see the huge flaws of the former
Wow it's great to see that you'll be covering these episodes it's gonna be fun
I think the reason Supreme Kai says the potara fusion is permanent for Goku and Vegeta is because he seemed unaware of the 1 hour time limit for mortals in the Goku Black saga. That information was revealed by Gowasu, not Shin, if I recall correctly. But like you said, it still brings into question why Shin and Kibito mentioned using the dragon balls in Super, especially because that reason for defusing exists in both the manga and anime so it's not a matter of this show following a different telling of the same story. I mess with it heavy tho, I think the episode oozes charm even if it is, admittedly, pretty poorly paced and I'm super excited to see your breakdown of the series as more episodes come out!
In the DBS manga, after hearing GOwause's explaination of the Potara time limit, he says "oh, so that's why you two defused inside of Boo". Plot hole regardless unless Toyotaro makes his own manga-version of Dragon Ball Daima (hopefully not).
I's love to hear you dissect these weekly!
Good to hear this series has potential, all that is left now is to see if they capitalize on it.
Also it's just plain funny to me that we are hearing that Dabura has yet another family member (his father) atop of his sister, nephew, and brother in law. Yet Tenshinhan, Chiaotzu, and Yamcha still have zilch in the way of relatives haha.
And also his and Towa's grandpa: Mechikabula (he's also from Heroes). Now that makes me wonder if said grandpa is the father of Dabra's dad or of his mom.
Really liked to hear your thoughts. Id be up for more of these.
Honestly, the thing I enjoyed most about this episode is how Daima goes out of its way to retcon things that Super retconned.
Finally we can get an end to the tardonic bardock fanboys
I liked the Buu arc recap at the beginning. We learned a lot about the demon realm during it and also got to learn about the new villains and see their reaction to what happened during the Buu arc. Maybe it was a bit long, but I enjoyed it.
I completely agree about the pacing, but one thing I want to say is how great the production of this series is. The art style is very crisp, and everything is rendered really lovingly. Like, the demon real for how little we see it looks incredible. I'd have killed for Super to have looked this good. And while a lot of the dialogue is wiki lore, the character acting at the very least is excellent.
I liked this review. I stopped when the new potara info dump happened and thought it made no sense, and I'm glad you also stopped to talk about it🤩
I watched the whole episode but I definitely paused for a while during that info dump, it felt really weird and it made me think what are they trying to do with the story.
Was hoping you’d cover this, awesome!
I liked the dynamics of the new characters introduced and thought what little we saw of the Makai was creative enough. I thought the demon characters look straight out of Dragon Quest and that's a good thing. I also didn't mind most of the exposition because it felt diegetic enough: would make sense high-ranking members of the Makai would watch closely when their king was enslaved by Babidi's magic and on top of that he summoned Buu. While it's shameless to start the series with memberberries, honestly as a fan I did enjoy seeing moments of the Buu arc with new animation.
My issue is repetition. They explain the Makai Dragon Balls to Dende after they had already been discussed, they reveal the wish halfway through the episode only for nothing to go wrong when they make the wish (well except Shen Long trying to outsmart them with specificities and semantics, I thought that was funny). It's like they were struggling to fill the 30 minutes of airtime while keeping the wish to the final minute.
I agree there's a lot of potential, and I hope the series lives up to it. Going by this episode I like the villains and the animation looks good. And while loredumping isn't my favorite method of worldbuilding, what we got does sound interesting, assuming the characters will actually get to explore the Makai. That's a start.
I'll say one thing though. A very petty side of me is just dying to see all the people screaming in forced hype about "THE LORE!" and just raving about the Goku and Vegeta fight to start cracking once the series kicks into gear with everyone turned into kids and the gags start coming up.
EDIT: About the Namekian thing, the implication in Japanese is that they are descendant from Demons. His wording is "your Namekian ancestors were the same, right?" I think this episode is implying everyone with their kind of pointy ears is a blood descendant from Demon Realm inhabitants. Which if true, humorously enough would include even characters like Pilaf and Monaka, though I doubt they were thinking of anyone besides the Namekians when coming up with this.
Are we gonna talk about when Krillin (I think he said it) said to Goku "Wow, thank kami that you used Shenron's wish to make Buu a good guy".
I think they are refering to the fat one, seeing how the conversation went up until that moment, but I thought that the team used Shenron only to make people forget about the image of Buu when he was terrorizing the planet (talking about wishes regarding Buu towards the end of the arc), or am I forgetting something?
Some people also say:
"They are not talking about Fat Buu but Kid Buu"
If that is the case, I think it's still wrong because Goku asked Enma to reincarnate him in a good hearted human, unless I'm wrong and forgetting something
Maybe some of the Dragon Team weren't yet privy to what went on between Boo and Satan and just assumed it was part of the wish?
@@BagOfMagicFood I... guess that could be an explanation?
But he's talking with Goku, the one who proposed the wish, so wouldn't he try and make things clear on what happened?
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*WAIT A MINUTE?!?!*
That's exactly what happened towards the end of the Buu arc!!
Majin Buu showed up on Kami's look out, everyone freaked out and started getting on the difensive/offensive but Goku (and Mr. Satan too if I remember correctly, or it was only him) started calming down the others.
What did they tell them? Did they lie or told exactly what happened?
If they said they asked Shenron to make Buu good, the Dragon Balls weren't quite active in that moment of the timeline (I think, or I'm just wrong), so they would know or were they willing to wait for Shenron to "make him good"?
I think I'm putting more thinking in this idea than the staff in Toei and probably Toriyama himself...
I think its a poor translation.
he used shenrons wish to make everyone forget about buu, thus allowing him to live within humanity alongside humans - i.e., a good guy
Freakin love this mistare guy
pretty sure they're not a guy
@@jason4482how come?
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@@jason4482 source?
@@jason4482 Oh shit. Where did you get that so I can refer to them correctly
Since you briefly mentioned Trunks' age, I'm gonna use this opportunity to vent.
One of my biggest pet peeves about modern Dragon Ball is the insistent on not updating Goten and Trunks' appearance to the point they're doubledowning on the justification. I don't care about the "Saiyans don't have a growth spurt until 15" excuse, I'm not buying it. For one, Goku actually does age a bit from age 12-15; Gohan aged pretty normally in his youth; and the alternate timeline version of Trunks seemingly aged normally at 14 compared to 14-year-old Trunks in the main timeline.
Assuming the Pilaf Gang are biologically the same age as Trunks, I guess Mai is secretly half Saiyan because she seemingly has the same growth pattern as Trunks. And for Marron, how do you explain her growth spurt from looking like a toddler for 9 years to being taller than her dad by 12?
Similar feelings. This doesn't seem too out of left field for me. This is what the first third of Super Hero felt like
Oh nice, looking forward to hearing your thoughts each week!
They did bring up the ideal of white magic and negative magic. Perhaps the name Kian are demons that willed the positive aspect of magic while the parts of not passing on if killed could come from namekians if they use black magic and stuff.
I like how this episode kind of implies that Neva is extremely powerful? He doesn't just instantly gather all 7 dragon balls that have scattered all over Earth, even though he literally just arrived on the planet, he also replenishes them with energy so they can grant wishes again immediately without waiting a year.
I think it speaks more to his domain over the magic governing the Dragon Balls than necessarily to his power in a broad sense. The inhabitants of the Makai seem to not understand the concept of Ki all that much and be more familiar with magic, at least going by this episode.
I hope you do more of these weekly off the cuff vids. This is literally the last time you'll be able to do something like this with new DB material that comes from Toriyama. Would be cool to have that journey with you.
Namekians needed that sort of connection due to their powers. Their ability to create a dragon capable of cheating the rules of the Universe was always odd to me. At least their connection with the Demon Realm makes some sense of the whole thing.
The worst part was really the split of the Kaioshins. I mean, have some sense of continuity for crying out loud. Toriyama had the final say as the creator, but at least find some middle ground and don't keep changing things that have been established before. Toei has its own writters but I'd think that Toriyama would have to approve the scripts? The confusion about what Toriyama actually did in Super just got worse after this episode.
The episode itself was a nice start and wonderful to look at. At least it made me curious about what this series will offer.
i mean Baba can bring people back from the dead, if briefly, and she's definitely just human and uses magic. so it wouldn't be Hard to believe that Namekians can simply just make wish granting magic balls. if anything thats the only godlike powerful thing they can do. hell the ability to make dragonballs is even seperated by clan so it's not like every Namekian's kidney stone is a Universe breaking macguffin.
Also the Namekians are once again demons sure, but they're not *Gods*, so it's not like making them demons again still makes Universe Breaking crystal balls make more sense, if anything it makes no sense still... cus they're not gods. they're just seemingly normal lowly demons, common people from a strange realm, they shouldn't even have the ability as common demons. not even Majin Buu's power is that universe breaking.
"demon" is just gonna be Daima's new unspoken "aliens are powerful" rule
@stephanos6128 They are not "making Namekians demons again". They never were. Masakous are different from Majin/Makai residents. You would think Mistarefusion's viewers would by now know what the "demon" in Piccolo stood for.
@@gokunenn4243 im not really Viewer of this guys channel im just passing by looking for Daima reviews
Didn't realize it was out! I'll have to run home and watch it before I finish this vid. Be right back!
A few thoughts after watching the first two episodes:
1. I wish the Tamagami resembled the demons that King Piccolo produced in the Demon King Piccolo Arc. That would be really fun.
2. I understand why so much of the first episode is a flashback of the Buu Saga. To Dragon Ball fans who are really in the weeds, it might not seem that strange that Daima takes place between the Buu Saga and Battle of Gods. To the average fan, it probably will though. Not to mention, I really enjoyed recapping the major beats of the Buu Saga through the perspective of the villains. It was a really interesting lens to introduce them through.
3. I’m really fascinated by Neva. I hope he’s explored more throughout this series.
4. I’m interested to see how/if the character’s in this series will be reintroduced in Super.
I don't think this episode will be reflective of the series pacing generally, but while they were Tivo-ing the Buu Saga I did check the time and think "8 minutes, huh?"
Glad your still making videos !!
So glad you’re doing these
I'd love for this to be a weekly thing. Hope this video does well!
Personally the early segments with the villains were so good to me, it made me not really mind that the segment with our heroes was a bit clunky by comparison
Even when it's just the Boo arc recap, I love how much we see of their personalities as a result, there's some really cool stuff like Degesu being the first to realize the implications of Dabra's death in regards to the power Gomah has just gained, which clearly didn't even cross the latter's mind
Gomah clearly enjoying power but also having this underlying insecurity about it hiding behind his arrogance, also evident from a lotta his actions
The family resemblence of Degesu and Shin, with the former also constantly getting his mind blown by the things happening around him
It all just oozes charm to me
With the Potara thing I honestly just feel Toriyama wanted to split up Kibitoshin and either never specified how or forgot/didn't care about the Super explanation, and no one wanted to talk back to him there
Heck maybe the two will fuse again or smth
I dont think its a smoking gun or anything
Thank you for bringing up the Surf Dracula tweet that was great.
The first episode was mostly set up, I agree. Introduce the Demon Realms while hinting at the many factions there are (Gohma and Degasu are one, although the ltter has an unknown wish, Anrisu's loyalty is put into question, Giarlo is implied to also be against them, and Neva is an unknown but clearly relevant given how massively powerful among Namekian magicians is), plus their reaction to the power of the characters (I found amusing how to them the fact they could fly was shocking).
Is it perfect? Eh, not really, but it's just the first part of a whole. And it excited me to see more.
21:26 - the whole Demon / nemekian business being a topic of discussion is surprising to me. This is how I see the timeline:
Kami comes to earth, decides to be a god to the people and splits from his dark side.
Dark side is effectively born on earth and regardless of what he believes he is, the people call him “Demon King” as he’s a foil to god and is effectively evil.
Goku defeates DK piccolo and Piccolo jr is born, retaining some of DK piccolo’s personality because he’s kind of a son, a little bit of a clone. It’s magic and it’s fun.
Piccolo JR has no idea he could even be an alien. And has no idea about this until at least meeting Kami.
I havent been following Daima at all and I agree about the pacing. But having the first episode set some ground rules and recapping the lore after the shitshow that is Dragon Ball post buu (Im a Super hater) it was nice and put me at ease. Im excited to watch the rest
Neva not showering but still being careful with his dental health feels so purely Toriyama. X3
After listening to your thoughts on this, yeah I agree, the half-a-episode worth of retcons/loredump was kind of weird. On the other hand, though, JAAN JAKA JAAN weekly Dragon Ball is back baby (this time with actually good animation)
16:12 So it's like Daredevil season 1 where he doesn't put on the red suit until the last episode.
Yuhh do this for every episode!
I'd have been much more down for it if Dabra's father's name was Abraca - it'd complete the reference with Dabra's name, it's more unique both in the sense of not just being the word Abra, alongside how Abra is popularly known as the name of a Pokémon, but it's also highly evocative of the word Abraxas, the popularly believed root word of Abracadabra
Or maybe Dabura's mom's name is Ka and finishes the pun lol
@@wreday720 my favorite magic spell, abrakadabura
12:14 This new retcon utop of another retcon makes the Potara Fusion more convoluted the5n it was before. And it's kinda making the Fusion Dance much better in comparison by how simple its rules are.
All it did was show that buus body can defuse people like we originally thought in dbz. That doesn't change the super retcon at all. The mortal time limit can still exist, and Shin wouldn't even know about it at this point.
@@lemonsuckerYT Goku in Daima asking supreme Kai and kibito Kai how they defuse makes Goku in super seem dumber.
Totallynotmark did a video trying to figure out what's Canon between supers anime and their manga, basically saying that anything that happens in both must've been a toriyama note but any differences must've been either made my by the mangas artist/writer or the studio in the anime's case. For me the potara bit made sense to me in that the explanation only comes in the anime (unless I don't remember the manga correctly) and not the manga, which told me that it was a studio note. Whereas this is Toriyamas final word on how it actually works. I'm going with this explanation in my head.
You should definitely do this every episode!
Thank you for the video.
I have not posted an opinion other than here. I agree with the fun ideas. I liked Daima. It is very weird to watch DB in high definition for me but not precisely bad. It is a relief that it is not as poorly animated as Super.
They don't want a well paced show. They want to stretch what little original ideas they have as far as possible, just like Super.
Hard to believe that in a 20s episode anime.
Like, it's very clearly building on nostalgia, but they are definetly not trying to stretch the plot.
Haven't seen it yet but I'll be back to share my opinion afterwards
I actually like the og split up thing the best, no cop outs
Gomah’s wearing a Party City version of a Pride Trooper costume
That is my contribution to this discussion.
Please more immediate reaction content like this. You can also dissect later!
We need more eyes on your channel already!
Really enjoyed your thoughts. Had similar feelings about it not being a good introduction to the series, but depending on the show I'm more of a "whole package" person. If the second episode is better paced with less of this "lore dumping," I'll be right on board with the Daima train.
I’m used to Toriyama retconning filler, but retconning his own retcons? Mind blown
I will admit, I really liked the reanimated old episodes.
I think we shared most of the same opinions on this episode, in that it’s not really good, but I’m still hopeful for the rest of the series.
I think it would be fun to hear your thoughts on Daima as it is coming out.
I had a lot of the same thoughts as you. I could not believe the timestamp said 12 minutes when I was still watching Buu arc recap. We needed a reminder on Dabura, the villains needed to know he died, and that there were strong guys on Earth, and that there were Namekians on Earth. The recap could've been two minutes.
I have to assume that Kibito and Shin were split apart because Shin needed to be in his original form for interactions with his siblings later in the arc. And they couldn't use the Dragon Balls to split them, because it was supposed to be right after the Dragon Balls were used. So... they used the only rationale any other character had provided, even though it makes no sense.
I would be stoked if you covered each episode but i would survive if you covered them in groups of episodes. Honestly im more excited for you to dissect supers manga because i thiught it was way better than the anime at times
I would love for him to cover the Super manga.
I believe he will tear it to pieces.
Oooh this is exciting
Dunno if someone else in the comments pointed it out, but it is interesting that the characters in the demon realm use “Namekku-jin” rather than “Namekku-seijin”. Presumably because we now know the Namek species probably pre-dates them living on Planet Namek
Yeah, the youthful line was COMPLETELY out of left field.
The lore dump and recap stuff is cute for maybe newcomers or nostalgia but honestly most of DB's fandom is people that already know all that and some more, at least in mexico I know kids under 10 years old that have seen all DB, Z, GT and Super, I don't know what's the situation in japan but I bet most kids know this stuff as well, and every adult interested in DB sure knows all of this.
It is a bit funny that here Shenron is asking for details on this wish considering if this is indeed before Super, then either Shenron ripped off the Pilaf Gang, or one of them (probably Pilaf) misspoke and Shenron interpreted as them wanting to be children again. The whole thing is Potara is weird too. I pretty much accepted Super's take, so for them to backtrack again is just jarring.
I don't think this is meant to replace Super considering how huge Super is, but I guess we'll see.
Akira just never wanted Vegetto in the manga, and anime, so, he is not aware of the retcons of the time limit
Right, according to that bonus chapter, the Pilaf Gang made that wish to get younger way back when Dr. Gero's creations started showing up--to make it still happen in Future Trunks' timeline so he can have a romance with Mai too--and they've just been aging back from being babies since then because Shenlong just assumed they wanted to be babies.
So I guess whatever adventure results in the death of Black Freeza also ends up making the Pilaf Gang old again so GT can still happen, right?
Shenlong's eyes narrow before he starts asking for specifics. I think he was trying to play genie in order to do a solid for the dragon team, minimize damage if he can. Shenlong has shown bias in new Dragon Ball plenty of times.
Plus, last time he granted a demon's wishes he got blown up for his troubles.
@pensandoemalgo.5722 Absolutely false, do not spread misinformatiom. He agreed and knew about it. Hell, he read the manga page by page as we know from interviews and redraws, and in the manga Fused Zamasu also defused due to not being oficially promoted to Kaioshin. Not to mention the idea of the time limit was probably his in the first place. Toyotaro already introduced a way to undo Potara before: the Dragonballs. There was zero reason for Vegetto to not just defuse once they returned to the past. The time limit however is completely on brand for Toriyama and his 2014 style of unnecesary retcons. It's amazing what ridiculous mental gymnastics people are doing to somehow exclude Toriyama from criticism for forgetting about something, again. He forgot the name of Super as he admitted (hemce Super Super Hero) himself ffs!
@@gokunenn4243 Akira never planned for Zamasu to be so strong, all the evolution and fusion between the zamasus were Toyotaro's ideas. So, although Akira gave permission, it was never something that was in his plans, and he even forgets things planned by him, especially by someone else.
I like this reaction video, would be cool to see for at least the first couple of DB Daima eps if youre up for it!
Personally I was hooked on this episode through the character interactions of the new characters.
Toriyama the GOAT, breaking the canon and the lore from the afterlife lmao
Mostly lore you say: So people are loving it.
That...means nothing tho. The quality of something is not determined by its popularity. Fortnite is not the best videogame ever.
I think they wasted a lot of time telling us the story we know one more time and giving exposition but not in an optimal way, just infodumping stuff to "fill the gaps".
People are pissed about the new Vegetto/Pothala retcon, but what I hated (maybe the subtitles I read were wrong) is when Kuririn said that Boo became good, not due to his interactions with Satan, but because Goku made a wish to the Dragon to make him good. Bullshit, if it is so easy, why don't they make that wish for every villain that threathens the Earth?
It's weird sometimes the easiest answer is ignored in order to make a more convoluted new one. Of course it has nothing to do with Mr. Satan, it was just Goku doing the whole wishing thing. Screw his contributions to that.
Maybe Kuririn just doesn't know what he's talking about, I don't think this needs to be taken as a retcon. Kuririn knows Goku wished for Buu to be reborn as a good guy and Buu is hanging around them now. I don't think either Goku or Satan bothered to go around explaining the situation in detail.
Maybe the recap at the beginning was unnecesarry, but I like that it made a lot of people want a remake of the entire series. Personally I would absolutely love it if it did happen.
I find it interesting that Gomah's outfit is similar to Towa's from Xenoverse/Heroes/etc.--which is the only other stuff that's kinda picked at the Demon Realm. So maybe they're vaguely hinting that that stuff "counts" for whatever it's worth, not that I think a series like this is going to actually draw in stuff from that kind of peripheral material.
thank you for your honesty
Regarding the method Kibitoshin used to unfuse it's not the first time the series has retcons
And if I recall correctly the one who in the future says Potara isn't permanent for humans is Gowasu and he did it to correct someone, don't quote on me on that though, could be wrong
Ooh. I'll just leave a like and return later when they release ep.1 on netflix
By the way, this episode confirms what you said about Dende: He's a terrible choice for Earth's guardian!!
Do the Dragon Ball characters do anything other than have barbecues or celebrate birthdays?
Seriously, how many of these reunions have we seen in the last few years?
They like to party
dude this is such a pet peeve of mine! these characters were supposed to be hermit martial artists who met at tournaments or when the world is in danger, they'd go years without seeing each other in Z and original series... now it seems like Goku pops over to Bulma's house every sunday lol
When you’re nearly killed from battles or actually killed consistently (in your timeline and multiple others) plus your worlds constantly in danger from alien threats, then, making the most of your time with family and friends makes more sense and the least they could do
100% agree and it pisses me off how played out the "party/reunion at bulma" is as a setting, DBS was the worst offender, it felt like we were stuck in the same day for the entire 131 episodes, it was tiring.
I would have preffered the idea of goku just traveling around the world, seeing different locations and meeting new people as part of his journey, you know like he did before chichi brought marriage? a wife and children made goku less interesting and fun to watch.....
When I first watched that episode and the get-together is celebrating Trunks' birthday, my immediate first thought was "geez, how many big celebrations do these guys participate in before they start getting bored of it all."
I enjoyed this and hey, you know what, I respect not wanting to do this every week because a lot of people don’t like react content and I’m a fusion loyalist
Maybe this might be a thing to see on weeks with no dbd
With the explanation of how Kaioshin and Kibito seperated differing from the one in Dragonball Super, I from here on out will consider Daima as it's own continuity, seperate from GT and and Super.
To be fair, Kaioshin doesn't know about the 1 hour time limit yet. Gowasu is the one who tells them about that. They bad air in Buu and the time limit can coexist. The only problem now is that Kaioshin and Kibito need to refuse before the end of the series and Goku will for some teason be surprised when they split again in Super.
I always assumed the reason Vegito defused inside Buu was because Buu was a magical being, so his magic did it, and I thought that was fine.
The whole thing with SAIYANS having a growth spurt at 15 is odd because Gohan had a growth spurt in the ROSAT while Goku was with him and Trunks in the special TORIYAMA wrote is about 14 and noticeably taller, it’s just weird
Yeah the real reason is they didn’t care about redesigning Goten and Trunks in DBS. Later they thought, 'Hey, Goku also had a sudden growth spurt, so let’s say that's a Saiyan thing!' But with Goku, it was just because back then it was rare for a manga protagonist to actually grow up.
Yeah, it was a neat explanation for Goku when it was introduced in the Jaco manga, and Gohan you can explain away because he’s half. Trunks is the problem here
@@darkfield1952 Exactly
Half humans??? So they had growth spurts earlier?? I agree, it’s not consistent, because of Goten and kid trunks. Kid trunks especially doesn’t make any sense as we see future trunks taller, but maybe because he was actually raised by a saiyan, but that shouldn’t change his biology…. Let’s not overthink a cartoon…😢😢😅
I've always had a head canon that growth can be accelerated based on environment. Gohan and figure trucks both spent childhoods in near constant danger, and grew similarly to a human. While Goten and Trunks grew up in mostly luxury and peace, disregarding the brief threat of Buu.
I’m now interested in the legend of Surf Dracula 👀
"As long as she's alive, Surf Dracula must die!"
It’s not well executed and the potara stuff is a lame re-retcon, but the animation and the general concept of this story in Daima seems like it will be fun and great!
Kibito and Shin did not know that the potara was not permanent on humans until Super so I think that there is even less of a contradiction here. In my opinion if Kibito and Shin merge via potara again by the end of this show everything still fits. I'm not saying it's not kind of weird but in the Super anime they explicitly make Shin look unknowledgeable about the potara and the rules about it so the fact that they go to Buu first kinda makes sense to me when they saw it work on Vegito.
nah super is just noncanon now, GT was also considered canon until super came along and that Daima is here, super is noncanon
@@Akaketsugami LOL , You're completely wrong sorry buddy
@Akaketsugami What are you talking about? Generally people consider "canon" things that were written by the original author. GT was not and that's why it was no longer "canon" but both the Super anime as well as manga were outlined by Toriyama so they are still "canon" regardless of what this show says/ does. Some things in it could be retconned but the Super manga is still ongoing, why would they ever make a currently running manga just magically non-canon?
@@newgiohguy3711 if you were around back when GT aired the tune was entorely different, everyone considered it canon, be it good or not, it was only when battle of gods came around that its status was put into question, rightfully so.
It seemed even in Z Supreme Kai knew less then he should cuz when Old Kai came out. Now my assumption is Shin hadn't finished training when the other Kais and Daiyokai were killed by Buu. So Shin still a noob until Old Kai comes out. Now if they so fused again at the end of Daima why not use Buu again to unfuse after that instead of using the Dballs from Namek?
I think the part of Demon King Piccolo's victims not being able to revive due to dying to demon clansmen had to do with the godly split Kami performed to separate his evil side into its own being. Knowing that Namekians are already demons/from the demon realm, maybe it's a result of him being a demon born from a ritual/being composed entirely of evil? That's just my head-canon tho and I hope the topic gets addressed in the series going forward
I’ll give the wiki dump portions a little bit of leeway. I get the sense they’re laying this stuff out as hamfisted Chekhov’s guns.
Chekhov’s Seafood dinner!
Yeah I feel like if GT was a part of the manga, Goku turning into a kid would be a chapter cliffhanger
I had the exact same gripes with the those retcons.
What lore dump we didnt kno? The stuff they dumped i think a large amount of the fan base didnt kno. Especially people who didnt watch og DB
Yeah, im basically on the same boat, i was annoy when even the Dragon Team was just dropping lore. The only thing that happen with the Dragon Team which i liked was the idea of Daima saying "Nah forget about that Super crap, this is the REAL sequel" i find it hilarious because all of those people saying that "GT is no canon, Super is the real canon, forget all about GT bad series", i wonder what they will say now.
But yeah basically i was like "This has a lot of potential can't wait for the adventure to truly begin, you know, seeing Goku messing around and stuff". But this episode was just set up... A long set up, probably longer to give us some ideas of what's going, through i did find interesting that the Namekuseijin can just summon the sleep Dragon Balls and reactivate them, alongside the kind of confirmation of there being white and black magic. Someone on the team or Toriyama really had Dragon Quest on their mind and i love it.
They're actually called Namekujin
The Dragon Ball canon has been a completely lost cause since the Super anime and manga split up, discussing what is the "actual story" of Dragon Ball at this point is pretty moot, you're better off not thinking about it and just watching whatever you want.
@@axllow3914 At this point I just go with original manga canon and treat everything outside of that as its own thing
They alr mentioned the story is gonna operate like the jrpgs tori worked on like DQ
Super is still canon though, and so is Daima.
>Dragon Ball (Start as Kid)
>DBZ (Classic fights you know Adult)
>Daima (First Age regression)
>Super (Reverses that Age Regression in time for the BIGGEST GOD LEVEL Fights that put Z to Small Potatos!)
>GT (Another Age Regression)
You are now realizing that if 'Every one of these Shows is canon' like the Creators seem to like to think and treat it like they are since they dont 'Go Past' GT that Goku has suffered Age Regression at least TWICE.
Some timeline....
....you sure we couldn't get an 'Experimental Spin Off' about one of the other 12 Universes from TOP and get New Characters and Plots to Farm ideas and DB Heroes Cards? As a way to 'Lower Stakes' again and 'Rebuild' Certain Characters (Not necessarily the 80 TOP Contestants) make up Villains to fight and do that? For Lulz and giggles?
I guess not. Toei is to stuck on Goku and Vegeta's marketing value and Toriyama apparently really struggled to write dragonball with out having Goku as the mc. The existence of Jacko is nothing short of a miracle really.
Other DB YT reviewers of Episode 1: Over 15 minutes
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Im not sure why but i have a good feeling about diama. Of course its too early to call but something about it feels really refreshing. 0:29 also to your point this is the year of the dragon in the chinese zodiac
Here's to hoping we dont get another series with just goku, and vegeta 😵💫