VC was my favourite file manager back to then, even without knowing its origin too much, just its executable size, and being a "single-file-solution" was a big win at that time. But as far as I can remember, all my friends and school mates used VC during "the DOS-era".
I remember using NC all the time. But then a version of VC was just randomly on a cover CD, I tried it but was tricked by how it similar it looks to NC. I should try and find that disc and give VC another chance.
@@weepingscorpion8739 It does run under dosbox/Linux which should run under WSL. The crazy part? I saw my home directory in it ;-) You can feel that is a very tight code even today.
I remember these beasts in public use university lab! That scary sound of floppy drive just moment before you realize that the work you kept on floppy disk is not readable anymore. That's why low-level disk utilities for data recovery were used quite frequently by students 🙂
Volkov Commander! It was used a lot also in Italy, it was the file manager I was using in the DOS era with my first PC (it was an assembled 386) in the '90. I still use it some times when I have to use DOS box!
Tha k you for preserving this cool history wnd bringing it to the English speaking world, otherwise most of us would never have heard of these awesome machines!!
Yes, that's true, it is notably slow. However, BIOS is not a thing for everyday use. Who knows, maybe that was made to impress certain people who make decisions in order to facilitate further production - times were dim for the local computer industry.
No, it doesn't. The common thing for Electronica-60 and DVK-2 is that "Fryazino" CRT terminal (was used with other machines as well, not only PDP-11 compatibles, e.g. Electronica DZ-28). The key thing is that DVK is a microcomputer (CPU: K1801BM1), while Electronica-60 is a minicomputer with CPU built using several ICs.
At 2:22 About 3.5" floppy disk drive power cables.... In the West, only once ATX case design was produced did I see power supplies with dedicated 3.5" floppy disk drive power cable connectors (4-Pin Berg connector). Older AT style power supplies only had the 5.25" Molex style connector.
Here we are totally agree. 49 is no longer a pure socialistic child. But, we find it a little bit too standard already. Even manuals are different, in 1841 everything explained so deep, that you could take a soldering iron and do something. What we, actually, did.
@@ChernobylFamily Would be nice to have a video with some insight in development of ICs, like did the USSR managed to import TTL Chips or cloned similar ones. There is so much we dont know about Soviet computers.
We'll think about it. I mean, idea is good, and the subject is interesting, I am not sure it will be easy to get enough visuals, THOUGH we have heard a lot of epic stories in the institute of cybernetics. At least, a more realistic way if we make this kind of historical insights in our chernobyl-related videos, so tbis will give more context.
Nice computer! And a 200 Meg hard drive is huge for a 286. You might even try running Windows 3.1 on this (though 1 Meg of RAM might be a bit limiting).
Do not know this, unfortunately. There is a big lack of information on this computer, it was made too late. The scenarios of "reproduce look and feel" and "just rename" are equally possible... hm... maybe disassembling the ROM dumps may give a light to this mystery.
The current loop, was that so that several ES1849 could share a printer? Or what was the C.L. used for? Back in the DOS days, i remember each guy had a matrix printer on his room. In Word Perfect, you wrote in plain text form. Then you had a "Code image", were you embedded (hidden) codes for formatting, margins, fonts, etc. Each printer had different support for the embedded codes & i dont know how much time (or paper) you wasted troubleshooting documents not printing properly.. It really felt wasteful... In an economy, where i suppose, at least your average office did not have unlimited amounts of printer paper? And you shared a printer? Did they make that work a little better? Does it have a Word Perfect clone? How many attempts does it take to get it out on paper?... I can imagine, in Soviet they would be against wasting paper like that.
There were plenty of local-made printers available, as well as other peripherals, e.g. plotters, so that port could be used for many things. Printers quite often had two interfaces you could switch with jumpers. As for Word Perfect, I am unsure if a clone existed, unfortunately.
@@ChernobylFamily Yup, thats strange. Maybe some "incompatibility" of VGA with "newer" bios ? Or bios author used this beep code to indicate something completelly different 😃
Hard to say. Might be intentional, gives kinda 3Dsh effect in these tests. Behind the scenes I tried a few graphic chart programs, at least it did not feel that there is any issue.
@@ChernobylFamily Interesting! Yes, the housing (style, buttons, plastic casting) looks just like the old EGA and VGA MultiSync, but with plastic colors borrowed from the old IBM monitors and a tube that is visibly not *quite* as nice. Thanks.
@@ChernobylFamily А по моему с видеокартой не все в порядке. В тесте EGA режимов (там где 16 цветов) на некоторых цветах появляется какая-то сетка. Мне кажется, там должен быть сплошной цвет.
I was wondering if they copy why wouldn't they copy MC68020 is better and they aren't paying anyway? Another bad effect of Wintel duopoly. It is also interesting that if a pure GNU Hurd was available, there was no mechanism to stop USSR from compiling and modifying the OS. That should remind what kind of a vision RMS had.
They actually copied Digital Equipment Corp. chips, which were also better than x86, and made some desktops from it. Little did they know DEC would collapse and Intel would reign, which frankly was a byproduct of cut-throat capitalism. If the US government were subsidizing PCs, they also would not choose x86. But the Soviet companies, and academics, were instructed specifically to steal Western tech, even though there was know-how to build computers from scratch, the politicians knew they could never keep up with tech in the West, and their best option was to pirate. This did rankle computer scientists in the Soviet Union, but they obliged. Also remember their intelligence about chips was done by humans smuggling the info, analog style. They did not have equal access to every company, DEC turned out to be the biggest target, not Motorola. There was even an attempt at humor by DEC engineers, who left a tiny message on one chip design, that was supposed to say in Russian "When you care to steal the very best". They knew this would be duplicated in Soviet pirated copies, an obvious attempt at humiliation. Their Russian was terrible though, and the joke's humor depended in part on a Hallmark advertising campaign, "when you care enough to send the very best", which few in the east would know about. About Hurd; it sucks, not Stallman's best idea.
@@ChernobylFamily I've answered, but in case you miss it; basically it was a policy decision to copy western tech, rather than use homegrown tech. There were many capable computer scientists, but Soviet leaders knew they could never keep pace, so piracy was the answer. Not a bad decision, very strategic, but the timing wasn't good
Love this blast from the past. Reminds me of the era I was at college. You are rubbish at TETRIS! I accept that you were also narrating a video at the same time! Let's see you ACTUALLY play Tetris!! How ironic that the software which made the Russian character set appear correctly in an American OS ... was Ukranian.
Haha, I am, that's true :) even more, I have been holding a camera as it was standing in a very unnatural position to catch the screen. Let's make it cooler: I'll play it on Chernobyl ES-1841 which runs on Soviet chips. Yes, it is truly ironic... thing is, that cyrillic support on ES line was limited to russian symbols - you could type pure russian only. They Keyrus software, however, could use extended sets, for example, for Ukrainian (as we in our language have such letters as i, ї, ґ which are absent in russian), but in this case some pseudographics would not work, as it would alter the character table.
Watch our new documentary about SKALA computer of the Chornobyl NPP: th-cam.com/video/ZbaptQh2AM4/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for the demonstration and, more importantly, the translation of russian to english. Some fascinating differences.
Thank you for such warm words!
VC was my favourite file manager back to then, even without knowing its origin too much, just its executable size, and being a "single-file-solution" was a big win at that time. But as far as I can remember, all my friends and school mates used VC during "the DOS-era".
...same story here
It should run in dosbox (FOSS) edit: it runs
I remember using NC all the time. But then a version of VC was just randomly on a cover CD, I tried it but was tricked by how it similar it looks to NC. I should try and find that disc and give VC another chance.
@@weepingscorpion8739 It does run under dosbox/Linux which should run under WSL. The crazy part? I saw my home directory in it ;-) You can feel that is a very tight code even today.
@@Olgasys you do know DosBox runs on Windows, right? For all the numerous ways to run DOS games on modern Windows, you chose WSL?😲
What a beautiful soviet computer! I’m so happy you have been able to preserve this piece of computer history!😁
Thank you, Chris! Now will try to find it a safer home, maybe some museum.
Yes. But was there a soundcard for it? And could it run the Roland MIDIs like the MPU401 to play with Space Quest and other games?
I remember these beasts in public use university lab! That scary sound of floppy drive just moment before you realize that the work you kept on floppy disk is not readable anymore. That's why low-level disk utilities for data recovery were used quite frequently by students 🙂
Thank you for the story!
Volkov Commander! It was used a lot also in Italy, it was the file manager I was using in the DOS era with my first PC (it was an assembled 386) in the '90. I still use it some times when I have to use DOS box!
In Italy?! WOW!
Tha k you for preserving this cool history wnd bringing it to the English speaking world, otherwise most of us would never have heard of these awesome machines!!
You are more than welcome!
Looks beautiful, but how damn slow it is. Definitely, that BIOS wasn't intended to be used in AT class machine with i286.
Yes, that's true, it is notably slow. However, BIOS is not a thing for everyday use. Who knows, maybe that was made to impress certain people who make decisions in order to facilitate further production - times were dim for the local computer industry.
These machines are fascinating. ❤
They are! Get ready for a new epic episode tomorrow!
Thanks for sharing, very intresting.
Thank you! This is a very old video, though - check newer things we have!
@@ChernobylFamily I am "working" on it ... 😎
Correction: original Tetris was created on pure Electronika-60, while DVK-2 is a machine that combines E-60 and a display terminal.
No, it doesn't. The common thing for Electronica-60 and DVK-2 is that "Fryazino" CRT terminal (was used with other machines as well, not only PDP-11 compatibles, e.g. Electronica DZ-28). The key thing is that DVK is a microcomputer (CPU: K1801BM1), while Electronica-60 is a minicomputer with CPU built using several ICs.
@@nickniva thanks mate! I am not very much in them YET
A lovely machine. That BIOS is beautiful, for sure.
Thank you:)
3:31 oh, Dmitry Gurtjak, the legend. Passed away so young…
Yes....
At 2:22 About 3.5" floppy disk drive power cables.... In the West, only once ATX case design was produced did I see power supplies with dedicated 3.5" floppy disk drive power cable connectors (4-Pin Berg connector). Older AT style power supplies only had the 5.25" Molex style connector.
Interesting is, that this one has a separate set of wires coming out of PSU, but it does not have any coonector at its end.
Pretty cool and interesting how "western" a lot of the system works compared to the ES1841. Stay safe and keep new Videos comming! 🙂
Here we are totally agree. 49 is no longer a pure socialistic child. But, we find it a little bit too standard already. Even manuals are different, in 1841 everything explained so deep, that you could take a soldering iron and do something. What we, actually, did.
Thank you! We will be safe!
@@ChernobylFamily Would be nice to have a video with some insight in development of ICs, like did the USSR managed to import TTL Chips or cloned similar ones. There is so much we dont know about Soviet computers.
We'll think about it. I mean, idea is good, and the subject is interesting, I am not sure it will be easy to get enough visuals, THOUGH we have heard a lot of epic stories in the institute of cybernetics. At least, a more realistic way if we make this kind of historical insights in our chernobyl-related videos, so tbis will give more context.
@@ChernobylFamily Would love to hear those stories ;)
Awesome!
Thank you! We loved it too!
Playing Tetris on a Soviet PC.. great!
Well, where did Tetris come from??
Nice computer! And a 200 Meg hard drive is huge for a 286. You might even try running Windows 3.1 on this (though 1 Meg of RAM might be a bit limiting).
Will try! Thank you!
The Soviet computer sounds like a real computer.
Great video! Do you know if the bios was completely reversed engineerd or that they hoor their hands in the original code?
Do not know this, unfortunately. There is a big lack of information on this computer, it was made too late. The scenarios of "reproduce look and feel" and "just rename" are equally possible... hm... maybe disassembling the ROM dumps may give a light to this mystery.
The current loop, was that so that several ES1849 could share a printer? Or what was the C.L. used for?
Back in the DOS days, i remember each guy had a matrix printer on his room.
In Word Perfect, you wrote in plain text form. Then you had a "Code image", were you embedded (hidden) codes for formatting, margins, fonts, etc.
Each printer had different support for the embedded codes & i dont know how much time (or paper) you wasted troubleshooting documents not printing properly.. It really felt wasteful...
In an economy, where i suppose, at least your average office did not have unlimited amounts of printer paper? And you shared a printer? Did they make that work a little better?
Does it have a Word Perfect clone? How many attempts does it take to get it out on paper?...
I can imagine, in Soviet they would be against wasting paper like that.
There were plenty of local-made printers available, as well as other peripherals, e.g. plotters, so that port could be used for many things. Printers quite often had two interfaces you could switch with jumpers. As for Word Perfect, I am unsure if a clone existed, unfortunately.
Amazing video!
Thank you (especially for floppy disks)!
Гучномовець в системному блоці як в магнітофоні "весна-309:)"
Ага)
About beeping: 1x long, 3x short Graphics card problem (EGA video error)
Thing is, visually no issues. Cannot trace what is behind.
@@ChernobylFamily Yup, thats strange. Maybe some "incompatibility" of VGA with "newer" bios ? Or bios author used this beep code to indicate something completelly different 😃
@@matusekpetr7806 good question, seriously...
there seems to be a bad video RAM chip in the intensity bit as indicated by the vertical stripes in the video tests.
(or are these intentional?)
Hard to say. Might be intentional, gives kinda 3Dsh effect in these tests. Behind the scenes I tried a few graphic chart programs, at least it did not feel that there is any issue.
@@ChernobylFamily it's rare for any program to read back video RAM so it's unexpected to see any consequences beyond visual.
Looks nice !
Thank you!
Было бы интересно узнать больше об истории монитора, т.к. очень похож на старый NEC MultiSync.
That's a polish clone of a Taiwanese CM-322 EGA with an original tube.
@@ChernobylFamily Interesting! Yes, the housing (style, buttons, plastic casting) looks just like the old EGA and VGA MultiSync, but with plastic colors borrowed from the old IBM monitors and a tube that is visibly not *quite* as nice. Thanks.
It was an amazing Computer back then.
That's true. Though, I believe a few people experienced using it. Afraid even to imagine a price for it...
@@ChernobylFamily Yea they were to be very pricey back in the old days that's why people were not able to afford one of these machines.
I also did build Pripyat if you do like to see it is beautiful.
But so far I like your content so keep it up Alex!
@@projects6371 Thank you!
i could not live without norton commander either with dos.
I share this feeling:)
So cool... 👍
Thank you!
Один длинный, три коротких - проблемы с работой видеокарты. Возможно, не нравится устройство захвата видеосигнала, если оно было подключено к разьему.
Тут ничего не подключалось лишнего. Но визуально карта работает отлично, в том и дело
@@ChernobylFamily А по моему с видеокартой не все в порядке. В тесте EGA режимов (там где 16 цветов) на некоторых цветах появляется какая-то сетка. Мне кажется, там должен быть сплошной цвет.
@@alexeyi76 на самом деле, вполне может быть. Сигналы просто так бы не выдавались.
Looks like a best soviet era PC clone.
I have to say, I liked it too.
Call me crazy, but I think that cyrillic б looks really cool in the bios screens
:)
It looks like the number 6 with a fancy haircut lol
В моей ЕС-ке 1 Мб оперативки, но определяется почему-то только 512 Кб ;(
ЕС-1949-та? Можливо частина чипів мертва
could you extract rom dump using rom reader?
Likely yes, but I need a ROM reader. Not earlier than in a few weeks.
@@ChernobylFamily did you manage to do the dump? you don't need a reader, i suppose you could just do debug.exe. thanks!
It was made by someone else, I've seen it on internets... i'll check
I was wondering if they copy why wouldn't they copy MC68020 is better and they aren't paying anyway? Another bad effect of Wintel duopoly. It is also interesting that if a pure GNU Hurd was available, there was no mechanism to stop USSR from compiling and modifying the OS. That should remind what kind of a vision RMS had.
It is an interesting point of view.
Больше нет СССР все производство электроники в руинах, передовые учёные разбежались в крупные западные компании некоторые основали Google
They actually copied Digital Equipment Corp. chips, which were also better than x86, and made some desktops from it. Little did they know DEC would collapse and Intel would reign, which frankly was a byproduct of cut-throat capitalism. If the US government were subsidizing PCs, they also would not choose x86. But the Soviet companies, and academics, were instructed specifically to steal Western tech, even though there was know-how to build computers from scratch, the politicians knew they could never keep up with tech in the West, and their best option was to pirate. This did rankle computer scientists in the Soviet Union, but they obliged. Also remember their intelligence about chips was done by humans smuggling the info, analog style. They did not have equal access to every company, DEC turned out to be the biggest target, not Motorola. There was even an attempt at humor by DEC engineers, who left a tiny message on one chip design, that was supposed to say in Russian "When you care to steal the very best". They knew this would be duplicated in Soviet pirated copies, an obvious attempt at humiliation. Their Russian was terrible though, and the joke's humor depended in part on a Hallmark advertising campaign, "when you care enough to send the very best", which few in the east would know about. About Hurd; it sucks, not Stallman's best idea.
@@ChernobylFamily I've answered, but in case you miss it; basically it was a policy decision to copy western tech, rather than use homegrown tech. There were many capable computer scientists, but Soviet leaders knew they could never keep pace, so piracy was the answer. Not a bad decision, very strategic, but the timing wasn't good
4:51 CIA PACK NOT FOR REDISTRIBUTION or we will kill u
That hits different on this computer 😮
))))))))
Love this blast from the past. Reminds me of the era I was at college. You are rubbish at TETRIS! I accept that you were also narrating a video at the same time! Let's see you ACTUALLY play Tetris!!
How ironic that the software which made the Russian character set appear correctly in an American OS ... was Ukranian.
It is a true amazing experince to see all of it still there.
Haha, I am, that's true :) even more, I have been holding a camera as it was standing in a very unnatural position to catch the screen. Let's make it cooler: I'll play it on Chernobyl ES-1841 which runs on Soviet chips.
Yes, it is truly ironic... thing is, that cyrillic support on ES line was limited to russian symbols - you could type pure russian only. They Keyrus software, however, could use extended sets, for example, for Ukrainian (as we in our language have such letters as i, ї, ґ which are absent in russian), but in this case some pseudographics would not work, as it would alter the character table.
There are photon in english?
We're afraid that Photon is not that original as we told. Further study shows that this is reworked early MultiEdit.
I want a emulator for that soviet model
Not sure if one exists...
а лексикон то чего не показал, прикольная же прога, мы ее на информатике изучали.
Check the episode about ES1841 - there we have it
i usually get my old computers from the thrift store... i guess i'll hit up chernobyl next
:)
Funny I use Soviet software I know VC commander.
I do know the Russian software!
Well, great
You have bad video RAM chip!
Thanks! Visually, however, all looks ok...
why are you wearing white coats?
because sometimes we work with some dirty stuff.
Nice
Thank you..)
@@ChernobylFamily congratulations from Lviv))) you video is best)
@@viktorgpu заїдемо на філіжаночку при нагоді до файного міста...)
@@ChernobylFamily да без проблем, сом колекціоную обчислювальну техніку, заходьте, радий буду бачити.
did someone bought it?
We have it booked for museum for now.