I FINALLY FOUND IT! Behold Elektronika MS 1504, the ONLY SOVIET LAPTOP EVER.

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  • @cdl0
    @cdl0 ปีที่แล้ว +110

    The use of three screws to secure the case was quite innovative. All modern devices nowadays have dozens of one-way clips and indestructible glue. 🙂

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  ปีที่แล้ว +25

      I'd call it 'reverse innovative' as screws were introduced first :)

    • @cdl0
      @cdl0 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      @@ChernobylFamily They were way ahead of their time with "right to repair"! 🙂

    • @Sashazur
      @Sashazur ปีที่แล้ว +27

      All old computers used normal screws and were easy to take apart.

    • @Рашка-у8й
      @Рашка-у8й ปีที่แล้ว +14

      ​@@ChernobylFamilyIt goes way beyond mere screws. Ruso-soviet manufacturing hadn't discovered the magic of phillips screw heads - unlike the developed world, they used flat head across the board. Glory to kremlinite dear leaders and the red army for this 💪🚀

    • @KrotowX
      @KrotowX ปีที่แล้ว +10

      And screws was MUCH easier for repairs. Nowadays anything is made for planned obsolescence and waste production.

  • @Ondrejbartak
    @Ondrejbartak ปีที่แล้ว +122

    More of the cat using computers please :-)

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Just wait for it..)

    • @muffinbra
      @muffinbra 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆🐆

  • @Bata.andrei
    @Bata.andrei ปีที่แล้ว +63

    I hate the gold "recyclers" that destroy rare and invaluable electronic components for a few dollars.

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  ปีที่แล้ว +15

      However, I have to say that I managed to re-educate a few of them, in the meaning they now google first, then do something.

    • @dustinandtarynwolfe5540
      @dustinandtarynwolfe5540 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes but invaluable is more like unvaluable 99 percent of the time in these cases

    • @cassis1018
      @cassis1018 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Bata.andrei well, you are at least half way there, it is a bit like slave work.

    • @MomMom4Cubs
      @MomMom4Cubs 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I appreciate that.

  • @solartaire1
    @solartaire1 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Man, that bit at 9:54 showing the recreation of Louis Slotin's ill-fated experiment made me spit out my coffee. Well played.

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      The reason behind this "joke" is that the laptop has been given by a friend, and it costs >1.5K now, and that flat cable is very fragile; summing all three up my hands were seriously shaking.

  • @ruben_balea
    @ruben_balea ปีที่แล้ว +88

    It seems easier to reverse engineer some of the experimental chips than to figure out how the power supply was made. The motherboard on the other hand looks beautiful!

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  ปีที่แล้ว +23

      We believe Toshiba prototype will help with this. The PSU is very much destroyed, but there is a hope.

    • @160rpm
      @160rpm ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@ChernobylFamily Honestly looks like they stole the motherboards out of something else, compared to the PSU. Incredible to see these two levels of production in the same device

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  ปีที่แล้ว +11

      What is interesting, a prototype of the PSU was way better than a final product. No one knows why.

    • @160rpm
      @160rpm ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @@ChernobylFamily probably because nobody really cared. Product wasn't selling well, so they felt no-one would notice anyway. Maybe someone stole the money that was supposed to be for the PSU pcbs and did some crap like this by hand, haha. It does look like some soviet homebrew stuff which also looked very terrifying

    • @kyle8952
      @kyle8952 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@160rpm USSR never seemed to throw away manufacturing equipment, only add modern ones alongside. If you look at 1980s Soviet TVs there was old vacuum tube models as well as ones built fully with chips and remote controls. Sometimes old equipment would be used to produce entirely new designs, or even categories of product that didn't exist when that equipment was made.
      The idea was that one old factory and one new factory will together produce more than just a new factory alone. Of course, better would be two new factories...

  • @juanfelipecopete9368
    @juanfelipecopete9368 ปีที่แล้ว +156

    In the Soviet Union they knew how they built computers and strove to keep up with the West. They even proposed to create their own OGAS network that would be the Soviet internet. Unfortunately the political leadership in Moscow did not see the potential of this technology.

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  ปีที่แล้ว +88

      When we had talks with actual developers of a few notable computer systems, they were far less optimistic in their opinions about those times. I'd warn against calling OGAS as 'Internet' in any way; it was more a decision system with very narrow purpose. Viktor Glushkov very well explained it in his books.

    • @singletona082
      @singletona082 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Still, very interesting. @@ChernobylFamily

    • @belstar1128
      @belstar1128 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Most soviet computers in the late 80s were still mainframes without a screen

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  ปีที่แล้ว +22

      @belstar1128 i certainly agree about mainframes, but all them had terminals, so technically, screens were present, and looking on some software (SVM, PRIMUS, etc) - cannot say it was any different experience than working with e.g. DOS. Console is a console, after all...

    • @belstar1128
      @belstar1128 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@ChernobylFamily I noticed most of them were like printers and had no screen. and even with cga you could do a lot more than with a terminal

  • @SockyNoob
    @SockyNoob 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

    This reminds me of Asianometry's videos on Soviet computing history plus videos about weird 80s and 90s laptops. It's definitely something I'd love to see more of, hence why this channel is one of my favorites. It's rare we westerners get to have a real look at what you guys had. Schools here hardly talk about early computing history and definitely completely gloss over Soviet computers, which is a shame because it's equally as impressive despite the Soviet computers having completely different standardization to western and east Asian ones and ultimately having to be abandoned due to that. I have to wonder if schools in former Soviet states even talk about Soviet computers or do they also only talk about western ones?

    • @droopy_eyes
      @droopy_eyes 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I'm from past soviet-occupied country and was a school kid during transition era. I didn't know Russia or soviet-colonies did make or produce any computers until recent times.
      Every electric device from that era is rubbish, and Russians stole their most successful designs from Japans and USA.
      Standardization difference was caused by stretching resources. So instead of 1 great device, you'd get 22 very poorly made ones.
      And no.
      No one said a good word about commies unless they were commies themselves.
      That's some weird stockholm-syndrom idea you presented there.

  • @Stealth86651
    @Stealth86651 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Needs more cat, thanks for the video/effort, it's appreciated.

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Meow! He will appear in next puuurrrrfect episodes!

    • @hydrolifetech7911
      @hydrolifetech7911 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      That part where the cat insert the disk is gold!

  • @nerissacrawford8017
    @nerissacrawford8017 ปีที่แล้ว +56

    'Reaaally carefully, reaaally slowly'
    Picture of demon core in the background 🤣

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Actually, it was an example of the internal Chernobyl Zone humor:)

  • @ijunkie
    @ijunkie ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I'm here for the cat.

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Mñau. In fakt i write oll scenarioz for dis videoz. Sorry for mistakes hard tu type wiz paws.

    • @ijunkie
      @ijunkie ปีที่แล้ว

      CUTE!!! lol @@ChernobylFamily

  • @rudiniemeijer8869
    @rudiniemeijer8869 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    I had not seen this combination of VLSI and DIP chips before, and was baffled by the components (especially the chip-like-with-holes) on the motherboard. Thanks for taking the time to take this machine apart and show the inner workings. Really enjoyed this video.

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Thank you!
      Those with holes are usual, that is just a side effect of the technological process of production - that is where a manipulator has been holding a metal part for proper alignment.

    • @RonJohn63
      @RonJohn63 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      "I had not seen this combination of VLSI and DIP chips before". The specific chips, or the general notion of VLSI chips in DIP packages?

  • @TheProgrammerGuy
    @TheProgrammerGuy ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I like that you're using Norton Commander, that was my favorite in the early 90's.

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Yeeeesss my too!. Though this is not a Norton Commander, it is Volkov Commander. It is a functional clone which was written in Ukraine on assembler. NC was availalble, but the idea was to make NC work on much, much more limited resources than NC normally requires. As far as I remember, VC consists of a single file of 64 kb or so.

    • @pwalk4160
      @pwalk4160 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Nothing beats the intuitive 2 panels of NC, in many so much easier to do file operations in those days than in today's GUIs.

    • @the_kombinator
      @the_kombinator 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Volkov Commander - I saw this widely used in Poland in the 90s.

    • @jnharton
      @jnharton 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@pwalk4160Much less mousing around and clicking, I'm sure. :D

    • @aspenmayer
      @aspenmayer 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ChernobylFamily I learned about VC from a former Czech boss doing hardware/software repairs and support!

  • @MarkMcCluney
    @MarkMcCluney ปีที่แล้ว +42

    I remember such machines, Compaq for example, and always liked them. It's such a shame the power supply is junk but I know you can sort it out. Thanks for showing us Alex, I really enjoyed this one.

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Thank you!

    • @anarchy_79
      @anarchy_79 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Compaq made great computers. One of the best computers ever made in my opinion is the Compaq Mini 110c netbook. It was perfect, and so pretty, and functional.

    • @gorak9000
      @gorak9000 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      This thing looks like a nearly exact copy of a Toshiba T1200 (or similar model). They definitely started with one of those and cloned it

    • @Underestimated37
      @Underestimated37 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@anarchy_79 until HP bought them out then the quality went down the drain, before that they were a big respectable player in the market, and HP just absolutely wrecked their business.

  • @AndrewTubbiolo
    @AndrewTubbiolo ปีที่แล้ว +14

    A 7805, 7812, and 7912 with some caps on a solder proto board and you're set. Awesome Soviet copy!

  • @poptartmcjelly7054
    @poptartmcjelly7054 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    I have an old soviet computer named "Byte" in English or "Bait" when converted straight from cyrillic. I also have the book that came with it and it's quite funny.
    For starters in page 64 of the book they have instructions how to code in BASIC a program that draws the flag of the soviet union.
    The motherboard inside is a 10 layer PCB, which is crazy.

    • @raven4k998
      @raven4k998 ปีที่แล้ว

      you see Russia used to have smart people before they killed them all off with war

    • @rrb6544
      @rrb6544 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      would love to see that program or manual

  • @ulasturkmen965
    @ulasturkmen965 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thanks a lot to the tabby cat for its crucial contributions to this great video.

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Thank you for diz purrfekt komment! *actively pawing*

  • @olafzijnbuis
    @olafzijnbuis ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Amazing!
    Look at the use of screws. At the time everything in the West was put together using Phillips head screws.
    Ca 1984 I took a day trip to East Berlin. There was a trade show going on. They were so proud of a controller for a machine that used EPROMS...
    At that time my desktop computer was a 3270 terminal on a mainframe with thousands of users.
    And I used Altera EPLDs at the time.
    Wat a failed system it was...

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Thank you for sharing! About screws... yes, all of them were like pictured. Everywhere.

  • @federicomarintuc
    @federicomarintuc 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    My grandfather told me he was kind of an auditor on the USSR in the early 80s and used to carry a computer the size of a sewing machine and would have a TV and printer at his will on every factory he visited and hotel he stayed. Would have loved to have a portable PC the size of this

    • @___Hermitage
      @___Hermitage 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They were probably made exactly for guys like him

    • @RonJohn63
      @RonJohn63 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That describes 1980s luggable computers (KayPro, Compaq Portable, etc). They had built-in CRTs, which might be different from your grandfather's system.

  • @aryehyehudahajzenberg9503
    @aryehyehudahajzenberg9503 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Great video ! Thanks a lot !
    Keep up the excellent work and may God bless you always !

  • @alisharifian535
    @alisharifian535 ปีที่แล้ว +83

    In Soviet Union you didn't enable the turbo mode, the turbo mode enabled itself.

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  ปีที่แล้ว +21

      I am afraid in that collective regime of peace and love it was enabled by default.((

    • @michaelallen1432
      @michaelallen1432 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      In Soviet Union, you didn't enable turbo mode, you just slowed down so the computer was faster in comparison.

    • @alisharifian535
      @alisharifian535 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@michaelallen1432 That could be a solution too.

    • @amihartz
      @amihartz 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      don't y'all think this same joke over every single video relating to 20th century eastern european history gets a bit old

    • @alisharifian535
      @alisharifian535 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@amihartz it is not an ordinary capitalist joke,it is "our joke".

  • @georgewilson7432
    @georgewilson7432 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Excellent video. Quite glad I found this channel.

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Welcome aboard! Check our previous episodes as well!

  • @frostwise87
    @frostwise87 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video as always, I wish my cat was so excited about retro computing :)

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You can do it! You just need to do proper food management:)))

  • @Brfff
    @Brfff ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Awesome! Thanks for sharing a detailed video about this rare machine!

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Happy to see you here! Thank you!

    • @Brfff
      @Brfff ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ChernobylFamily you are like my drug dealer, but for vintage Soviet computers ... always providing the good stuff! ;)
      {Note: I don't actually have a drug dealer ... I spend all my money on old computers!}

  • @jjforcebreaker
    @jjforcebreaker 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    That's a very cool find, thanks for covering it!

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for watching! Check our other videos!

  • @kaitlyn__L
    @kaitlyn__L ปีที่แล้ว +6

    A couple of those print ads for the thing have a pretty cool aesthetic.
    I’m not surprised many people didn’t decide to shell-out for a laptop though, even in the west almost no one had a laptop until the mid-to-late 00s, unless you were a businessman. Pretty neat that there were probably only ~1500 of these.
    I liked your little rant about how metal scavengers should’ve just resold them for their intended purpose. The same comes up for people who broke into railways for electrical cable over here, they’d melt it and sell it for scrap copper even though a highly-engineered high-purity high-current power cable sold for WAYYYY more.

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you!

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Actually, I located a few of those magazines in sale; so will get them and make high-quality scans later.

    • @kaitlyn__L
      @kaitlyn__L ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@ChernobylFamily ooh, looking forward to that! I definitely have a bunch of friends who’d love to see those, or use them for inspiration for retro-futuristic ads in their own art

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @kaitlyn__L i've made a bonus content with software on Patreon, at least will update there. Those magazines normally sold in book-like annual collections, so will try to find not for all money in the qirld.

    • @freeculture
      @freeculture ปีที่แล้ว

      $550 sounds "cheap" to "western" eyes, until you factor in the average wage of the day and the incredibly long waitlists (if you even manage to get in!). 14 year old overpriced foreign cloned technology, sounds about right for socialism. Just think what people had in 1994 elsewhere in the world... The demos seem designed to exhibit the product in some fair for the great leader to praise.

  • @MarkMcCluney
    @MarkMcCluney ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I just sat down for a cuppa' tea after finishing work for the day - perfect timing!

  • @xjr358
    @xjr358 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wow, great video! Thanks! I had one of these S/N 1372 july 1993

  • @kaliperwheastone6499
    @kaliperwheastone6499 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thank you very much for the review of this old laptop, and for the historical details of its manufacture. Very cute cat and very professional. Many greetings.

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Dis is Fuzik, kat. Senk u for your purrrrfekt koment! I wil apiir in next episodes. Meow. Sorry for typoz, it iz hard tu typ with paws.

    • @kaliperwheastone6499
      @kaliperwheastone6499 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      😹👍@@ChernobylFamily

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I am sitting in ze boks. How did you knou dat?

  • @jamesfatula5824
    @jamesfatula5824 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I knew it was a Toshiba clone I had similar one and I loved ur cute cat being curious about the laptop

  • @santonopoulou
    @santonopoulou 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Subscribed for the cat. Stayed because an amazing history and well researched video! Great content

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Welcome aboard! Today - a new video!

  • @monoamiga
    @monoamiga ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Such a great video, great content and great channel!

  • @excessionary
    @excessionary ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Thank you for an excellent review and retrospective.
    I own a descendant of the Toshiba T1100 - the slightly later T3200, but it is less useful as a laptop due being designed without a battery.
    You've given us great overview of this very unique machine, while also delving into its history and how it came into existence. That context makes the video far more interesting than just a tour of the computer on its own.
    With the rarity of this machine and how many computers are pillaged for gold, I'm surprised that you were able to find one to review, let alone a copy of the manual. Well done.
    If you don't mind my asking, was this part of a personal collection belonging to DrPass, or does he have a museum?
    Fuzik inserting the floppy disk got a chuckle out of me!

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  ปีที่แล้ว +6

      The last time I had this kind of machine in my hands in ~2009, for a few days. It was dead completely. Never could imagine I'd have one again.
      DrPass has a collection, so he provided us with this for a review.

    • @jepolch
      @jepolch ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yeah I was going to say it's a copy of the Toshiba T1100.

  • @KeritechElectronics
    @KeritechElectronics ปีที่แล้ว +8

    That's a very interesting laptop! Some of the Soviet assembly techniques are the same as in the Lell PSR drum machine I restored; it's all pretty elegant though. I would never expect a Japanese display in a Soviet device though.
    Oh, and I saw a screenshot of Block Out! i liked this game when I was a kid in the early '90s with a PC XT/AT at home.

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  ปีที่แล้ว +6

      As later things were produced, as more often there appeared foreign parts; we have that old video about ES1849, there is intel 80286 and a foreign chipset...

    • @dieseldragon6756
      @dieseldragon6756 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Oh my goodness...I _might_ still have a copy of BlockOut for the x86 somewhere in my old software library! 🎮💾😀

  • @HAL9000system
    @HAL9000system ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Dude, you killed me with that fade out to the image of the demon core when removing the floppy wire conector.
    What about the elektronika MK-85...can we consider it that 1st "portable computing equipment" of the ussr?
    Amazing job with the videos, spasibo bolshoe!

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  ปีที่แล้ว +5

      You cannot imagine how my hands were shaking :)))) as for mk-85, never had it in my hands but very formally yes, we can say call it that way.
      P.S.: In Ukrainian, we say "duzhe djakuju"

    • @HAL9000system
      @HAL9000system ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@ChernobylFamily Приносимо свої вибачення за лінгвістичну "помилку"!
      Велике спасибі з Іспанії!

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@HAL9000system cheers!

  • @R2D2G7
    @R2D2G7 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Це ж треба заморочитись настільки аби знайти що де та звідки було здерто..... Моє шанування!

  • @beakytwitch7905
    @beakytwitch7905 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I really enjoyed this ! Firstly you tracked the engineering history, and as a person who also does this, it is fun. Secondly you have a lovely sense of humour with discussion of Dollars and "polite conversations with cold-eyed people"... Subscribing... 😂❤😊

  • @TheFanOrTheMask
    @TheFanOrTheMask ปีที่แล้ว +3

    love this channel, very informative :) excellent work

  • @kepakpl
    @kepakpl ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I had toshiba T1000 and this one is Very similar in ports arrangement (external and internal), and even component’s arrangement. The power supply looks here like a pure madness and my main board has a lot less chips and more of them were smd ( im not surprised). My toshiba had rare citizen floppy with different ribbon cable, but this looks like normal FDD

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Actually upon further inspection, in this very laptop the drives are from 2008. I mean, original were not any much different (normally there would be TEAC as far as i remember), but I'm surprised that someone took them out at some point. There could not be soviet drives - they did not exist as a mass product.

  • @KrotowX
    @KrotowX ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I seen these. The problem with computers at end of USSR was in people heads. Not many knew about them nor imagined how to use them for productivity. Also huge prices and lack of software slowed adoption. It changed though and fast.

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Exactly.

    • @baihui7349
      @baihui7349 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      USSR was investing in another countries to develop computers and software such as Bulgaria then exported to USSR .We produced a lot computers for the military .

    • @cygil1
      @cygil1 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Also Soviet authorities distrusted computers because they (correctly) feared people using them to share politically incorrect information.

    • @deaddycruel
      @deaddycruel 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      are you dumb or what?

  • @excessionary
    @excessionary ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Oh, I forgot to ask: Are the demonstration floppy disk images backed up somewhere?
    It might be fun to try running it on other computers. I'd certainly give it a go.

  • @youria2559
    @youria2559 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    At the same time the Compaq LTE 286 was on the market, and the LTE 386 was just introduced, totally crushing this thing in every mentionable aspect except for gaining fitness and/or straining your back.

  • @jeraldehlert7903
    @jeraldehlert7903 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    This looks very much like it was assembled by hand and hand soldered. That's fucking crazy. I love it.

  • @The-Future-Is-The-Past-
    @The-Future-Is-The-Past- ปีที่แล้ว +2

    nice video as always. the demo program and construction of the power supply is very interesting

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you very much! Well, I wonder if that demo is actually a copy of a toshiba one. Among files there is egavga.bgi, so it is obviously written on Turbo Pascal, but did they copy ot or not, is thevopen question.

  • @egonsabols2801
    @egonsabols2801 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Eveb didnt know that there was soviet laptop.Thanks for amazing content and way video is made Greetings from Latvia 🇱🇻

  • @mfbfreak
    @mfbfreak ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Ahaha, that demon core :D
    And send my regards to the kitty assistant, he's doing a great job. I wonder what else he can fix!

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      A screwdriver is a very untrustworthy tool, you know...)

  • @intel386DX
    @intel386DX ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Fantasic machine hope you will be able to run it!
    BTW Belarusians have one more interesting peace of hardware in the early 90's
    It is a spectrum ZX clone called Alf (Ельф) it is made to be lice console with cartrages and all the games are western games translated in Russian. The funniest thing is that the controllers are clone of famicom ones, but mirrored 😅(D-pad is on the right side and the buttons are on the left, yes there are 2 buttons but doing the same)

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It is interesting, I did not know about that machine; will check on it - thank you!

    • @RTheren
      @RTheren ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Question is.... does it also eat cats?

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@RTheren AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. You won the internets today.

    • @intel386DX
      @intel386DX ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@RTheren only capitalist cats 😂😁 LOL

  • @Damien.D
    @Damien.D ปีที่แล้ว +4

    What a fantastic piece of history. Impressive to see all of the chips made especially for it. I wonder what is the one with holes in the packaging?! It's more than unusual!
    I'm really sad to see the power supply butchered... it's so beautiful, all made in with bodge wires. Very time consuming process to build things... Maybe later ones had a more cleanly made power supply that you can retro engineer to save this one?
    Thanks for sharing this comprehensive explanation about this time capsule!

    • @VolodymyrTorkalo
      @VolodymyrTorkalo ปีที่แล้ว

      Holes are windows for erasing memory using UV light

    • @sootikins
      @sootikins ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@VolodymyrTorkalo Are you sure about that or are you making an educated guess? It seems like a bizarre way to make a erase window - surely the Soviets had seem western UVPROMs with quartz windows before.

    • @VolodymyrTorkalo
      @VolodymyrTorkalo ปีที่แล้ว

      @@sootikins i am sure. It's common also for older western chips. Google "UV EEPROM eraser"
      Eeprom used to store firmware and erased on factory or during repair

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  ปีที่แล้ว +5

      No, those are not. I will explain below.

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  ปีที่แล้ว +6

      For EEPROM they had windowed chips, the same like in the west. Those oval openings are a side-effect of the technology of production - in the middle of them it is possible to notice a few holes that are for the manipulator which positions the metal parts during forming/shaping. The crystal itself is sealed in the center.

  • @thecandyman9308
    @thecandyman9308 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    A glimpse into an alternate past.
    Fascinating.
    Genius.
    асио дру.

  • @brettany_renee_blatchley
    @brettany_renee_blatchley 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Looks exactly like my old Bondwell.

  • @johnsavard7583
    @johnsavard7583 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The color scheme, and general appearance, resemble a Toshiba laptop, of which I would tend to think this is an imitation. Ah, you got around to mentioning that.

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I really wonder how would look a laptop if they would design it from scratch.

    • @antonstefanov2146
      @antonstefanov2146 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@ChernobylFamily very rare to see them design from scratch, guns, cars.. they just copy

  • @arostwocents
    @arostwocents 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I love the Soviet keeping ZX Spectrum alive as a consumer computer for years. Modern homebrew from Russia is SO MUCH BETTER than anything commercially released and nearly all homebrew. Zosya Entertainment are 😮

    • @arostwocents
      @arostwocents 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Rubinho Cucaracho the most fun driving game! Their scrolling fighter is incredible too. So colourful and shows how masking can eliminate clash.

  • @RobCamp-rmc_0
    @RobCamp-rmc_0 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I’ve only seen a few of your videos so far, but I just subscribed… but anyway, were there any other Soviet electronics brands aside from Elektronika? Were there any imports back then?

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      There were, and there were imports from Socialistic bloc as well.

  • @tttdrr2293
    @tttdrr2293 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Awesome looking. Made from big metal ingot, like tank.

  • @squirrelarmor
    @squirrelarmor 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Fascinating! Thank you!

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Glad you enjoyed it! Check other episodes!

  • @mihaceban4668
    @mihaceban4668 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Крутая штука.Держать в руках не приходилось.Видел первый раз на обложке журнала ТМ,в одном из номеров начала 90-х.

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Думаю, як раз ту обкладинку (1992 #4) ви можете побачити у відео.

  • @senilyDeluxe
    @senilyDeluxe ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Don't expect people who break things apart for scrap metal to be able of logical thought. They cut IEC and figure-8 cables instead of just unplugging them.

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ...that's why I called my question 'philosophical'..((

  • @Xpurple
    @Xpurple ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love the detailed video, Спасибо!

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Glad that you liked!
      P.S.: Im Ukraine we say "дякую".

  • @ironhead2008
    @ironhead2008 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    You know, if the expansion port is basically an extension of the ISA bus, there might be a noninvasive way to attach a modern fixed disc solution like the XT-IDE. Tex-elec has a very tiny card that would fit nicely in that unused battery compartment. Figure out the pinout, have the right sized card edge made (maybe PCBWay), and then solder a ribbon cable on and route it into the battery compartment. As far as the PSU is concerned, I know the Amiga community swears on the Mean Well PSUs. I'd put it in an external enclosure, make a new expansion plate and solder in the multipin connector of your choice and build a matching cable to the external PSU. Basically adapt the Amiga solution to the computer. This assumes the scrappers trashed the orignal PSU beyond repair. Regardless, I bet you could fit a battery holder (say, 3 triple As) in that battery compartment to power the clock chip and get it on a more modern DOS variant. All in all kind of a slick computer.

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Thank you! I believe that original Toshiba cards will work - after all this is nearly 1:1 clone.

    • @ironhead2008
      @ironhead2008 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hmm, so there might be XT-IDE adaptations out there for it. That'd simplify things to be sure!@@ChernobylFamily

    • @Brfff
      @Brfff ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You'd need more pins for an ISA bus though, wouldn't you? :(. The Amstrad PPC uses a DB25 and a DC37 connector to present the full 62-pin ISA bus, and the Visual 1083 Commuter I'm working on at the moment uses a DC62. There's probably just enough pins on a DB25 for a floppy interface though. /Brett

    • @ironhead2008
      @ironhead2008 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Brfff Minuszerodegrees has the maintenance manual for the T1100+ for download which includes a pinout of the expansion bus connector. It's a 60 pin connector that seems to carry the full ISA bus. Also there's at least 1 guy on r/retrobattlestations that adapted the XT-CF card to the Toshiba expansion bay connector, complete with 3D printed shield for easy swapping of cards. He was also mooting the idea of building a combo card that added an Adlib card. You could also add a ram expansion, too. Cramming all of that would be challenging but would be worth it if only to play Tetris on a Soviet PC clone at a coffee shop in Kiev or Lviv!!!

    • @Brfff
      @Brfff ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Although, watching on ... there is that 60-pin internal interface ... is that the one you're referring to? If you could find the pinout then definitely, you could conceivably design an interface board (XT-CF-Lite) that plugged directly into it ... and it wouldn't matter if it were Soviet 2.5mm or Western 2.54mm pitch as you could design the PCB to fit either. I'm doing similar for the Amstrad PPC at the moment, trying to cram an internal CF board inside the machine. /Brett

  • @itabiritomg
    @itabiritomg 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    13:18 comparing the quality of the motherboard with the quality of the power supply board, it is very difficult to believe that both were produced by the same company. And, if they had the tools to make a board with the quality of the motherboard, there is no justification for making another part with the precarious quality of the power supply board. Adding to this, the Latin characters, I conclude that the motherboard must have been manufactured by a foreign supplier, possibly Chinese.

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      A funny detail that PSU prototype was very industrial. Probably, they decided to go for a cheaper handmade solution.
      The board is belrusian, latin characters were widely used in Soviet tech - just software sometimes was foreign and could not consume Cyrillic.

  • @EvrenMercan
    @EvrenMercan 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This allows us to see how the Soviets covertly collaborated with Western companies during the Cold War period.

  • @alberthodge631
    @alberthodge631 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    nicely done, very informative.

  • @rustkitty
    @rustkitty ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I have a feeling whoever stripped those chips from the PSU didn't own the whole device to sell intact. If it was someone working in the warehouse where the laptop has already sit unopened for months or years, they must've thought it will never be sold. So there is no harm stripping out some interesting components and putting the rest back into the box. Nobody will ever notice because it will rot here the warehouse until clear-out straight into a landfill. Still, they wouldn't dare to just steal the whle laptop and leave behind an empty box because that would be too obvious during inventory.

  • @jeremypilot1015
    @jeremypilot1015 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love how the soldier is put on by hand on those boards. You can just feel the quality lol

  • @colombianguy8194
    @colombianguy8194 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you so much for showing this piece of history. The technical info is super interesting. Those Soviet engineers were very smart, even the reverse engineering has it's own challenges, and i have to admire that the Soviet Union and the post Soviet countries had electronics manufacturing capabilities, unfortunately generations behind the west, but still had some industry unlike the "third world" were I'm from.

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      This particular device is a good example of high end engineering of their industry. In many cases it looks very untypical compared to what they were normally producing.

  • @AClownsWorld
    @AClownsWorld 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thanks for bringing this info to my brain, really appreciate it :)

  • @faustasazuolasbagdonas123
    @faustasazuolasbagdonas123 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    12:15 I guess this laptop belonged to a company. An addicted worker noticed that this laptop had not been used for a long time and was obsolete so he decided to salvage some chips so that he could buy something to drink 😀. Most likely he thought that nobody will notice what he did and that the laptop will be thrown away.
    Very interesting video, looking forward to the next part.

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Sounds as a very possible scenario :)

  • @SFoX-On-Air
    @SFoX-On-Air 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I am impressed by its prestine condition. The insides look as if the pc is just taken from the conveyor belt.

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It was very little used, I guess.

  • @j7ndominica051
    @j7ndominica051 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I love the star of the show, the orange cat. Laptops were status symbols, not something to rely upon for work or entertainment, with limited battery life and odd input devices. Would be cool to finally get abundant gold on Earth. People would laugh at crimes commited for a piece of metal. "Collectors' items" are a big scam.

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'd say this cat himself is a status symbol!

    • @alexdhall
      @alexdhall ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@ChernobylFamilyYes cats just *know* they are royalty! 😹😻

  • @dieseldragon6756
    @dieseldragon6756 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    *Дякую* for this video sir, and especially for the finely detailed teardown! One thing I've always had trouble finding is the Soviet Cyrillic keyboard layout, and thanks to this vid (And a couple of screenshots) I _finally_ have what I was looking for in this regard! ⌨🇷🇺😀
    Rare as this is, I sadly doubt very much that original replacement parts for the power supply still exist anywhere (Especially if they were laid on gold, because $$$s) but many years ago I ran into a similar problem with a laptop of a roughly similar vintage, and for testing purposes I used various series/parallel combinations of alkaline batteries to produce the correct voltages. It was an absolute pig fitting it all on the bench, but it was enough to test out the laptop and prove that it worked! 😇
    Assuming the service manual gives the voltages for each of the rails coming off the PSU (And let's face it: One of the reasons why I love tech from the USSR is because it was _designed_ to be user serviceable! 🛠) a battery array might work for testing, but for continued use some of the off-the-shelf PSUs now available in the market should be able to provide the correct voltages to keep this beauty running safely! 🙂
    And OK, it might not be the _best_ computer of its time...But unlike any of the British made computers of that era I wouldn't be surprised if this - Once fixed - Would continue to work for a good 200-300 years afterwards! 🤘

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You are more than welcome! As for the keyboard, many machines had a Cyrillic-first layout where Latin letters were transliterated, so it is JCUKEN, not QWERTY. Check the video about DVK-3 to see that. P.S.: In Ukraine we say дякую

  • @swedenfrommycam
    @swedenfrommycam ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awsome🏆 would be super nice to se some older equipment from space race, computer and software 🤗

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Well, we are more on Chernobyl-related tech (this laptop is an exception), but there are pretty much interesting as well.

  • @thedungeondelver
    @thedungeondelver ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Serious question though: are all the board-mounted components hand soldered or did the Soviets have wave soldering and pick and place tech at that time?

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I believe at top factories they had pick and place, logically they had to. Though I am really not sure. Sometimes it is very much visible when it is really hand-soldered.

    • @u2bear377
      @u2bear377 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Kiev 'Elektronmash' did have wave soldering.
      And there was domestically designed DIP chip placement machine named 'AVUMIS' (Rus.: "АВУМИС", "АВтомат для Установки МИкросхем" = 'automatic chip placement machine').
      The name is kinda pun on 'VUM' ("[завод] ВУМ") which is another name for 'Elektronmash' of Kiev.

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@u2bear377 thank you for this clarification

  • @kd5byb
    @kd5byb 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Love your cat!

  • @alpcns
    @alpcns 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The windowing demo program (showing the graphic capabilities in various windows) reminds me of a Turbo Pascal demo of the same era.

  • @karlm9584
    @karlm9584 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This looks very similar to Tandy 1400LT. Same specs as well. I still have mine from the late 80s.

  • @poptartmcjelly7054
    @poptartmcjelly7054 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    My Sega Genesis Nomad was made in 1996 and just 2 years before this was the best Russia had to offer. Crazy.

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes.
      Technically, the laptop in question is not russian, it is from Belarus (it does not make it any better, just we, who lived in other republics under FORCED umbrella of the ussr, find calling all with words "russia" pretty... not good)

  • @nicolek4076
    @nicolek4076 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Clever cat. Reminds me of my Archie of happy memory.

  • @joezhou4356
    @joezhou4356 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    That is actually a very attractive unit.

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Toshiba knew how to make designs:)

  • @FxrFromRussia
    @FxrFromRussia ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Найс ревью, комрад. Сенкс фор йо джоб. Энд пис ту йор хаус.

  • @RuruFIN
    @RuruFIN ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love the cat. :)

  • @cawschwarzraben359
    @cawschwarzraben359 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Looks like a copy of the Toshiba T-1000

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      T1100 Plus. Continue watching, you'll see the full story..)

  • @wacholder5690
    @wacholder5690 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Now: that was pretty interesting. I worked with early Toshiba Laptops quite a bit back then and still own a T-3200 and T-1600 (of which I don't know if they are still in working order to be true). But comparing the inards with a Toshiba there are quite some similarities. In the Soviet Union it was quite common to reverse engineer western products. This one came quite near. But for what expense ... Thanks for sharing !

  • @crazyivan030983
    @crazyivan030983 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Cool video :) and cool kitty :)

  • @PascalGienger
    @PascalGienger ปีที่แล้ว +1

    1992 I had a 486 DX 33 MHz computer. Weird that in Russia a 8086 compatible was still state of the art

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  ปีที่แล้ว

      In entire USSR. From this point another machine (ES1842) also made in Belarus is interesting, as it was based on 8086 but it had a chip set that actually allowed to execute 80286 instructions.

  • @BlackEpyon
    @BlackEpyon 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    From my experience with twisted nematic displays like this, the solid blue screen is likely just the contrast cranked all the way up. The artifacts on the LCD look to be scratches in the polarizer film from somebody drawing on it with a pen or something. If you can find a junked donor LCD, even a modern one, you could probably trim to fit and get that fixed. As for the backlight, you'll likely need to get the -15v rail working on the power supply, or connect an external supply long enough to find out if the CC tube is still good. The 60-pin internal expansion connector is likely an ISA bus if this is a true XT-compatible clone, so you could probably design a CF-IDE card for it if you can find a pinout.
    As for the power supply... Eh. I don't even know where to start with repairing that, especially without schematics or even knowing what those missing components are. Personally, I'd just build a new one from scratch, as DC buck converters and voltage inverters are inexpensive, and easy to use. That might not be a "proper" restoration, but it would at least be functional. Sometimes you just gotta do what you gotta do.

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you very much for this.

  • @josephlagrange9531
    @josephlagrange9531 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It is Toshiba copy, dudes.

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  ปีที่แล้ว

      ...and if you will actually watch the video you will see that we explain that and its differences in a very detailed way...

  • @СергейЛегуша-л9о
    @СергейЛегуша-л9о ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Крутий девайс !
    Треба відновлювати.

  • @feniksgordonfreeman
    @feniksgordonfreeman ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Круте відео, так тримати!

  • @someonesomewhere7403
    @someonesomewhere7403 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It was a copy of Japanese Toshiba laptop from 1985. It was obsolete by the 90’s but hey, it’s better than no computer at all.

  • @haraldschuster3067
    @haraldschuster3067 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Did they copy just the 8086 or also the 8087 co-processor? The motherboard, I must say, is a beauty. The soldering is perfect, the protection layer still 100% and hasn't aged one bit and the circuit board seems to be made of high quality epoxy - unlike the power supply that looked a lot like Pertinax. Also astonishing how many wires were used with the power supply when you already have a circuit board.

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They cloned 8087 as well, under the name КМ1810ВМ87, though it was relatively rare and I never had it in my hands; speaking about the quality - at that point Belarus factories had it quite high. But what really surprised me, that yes, that PSU looks like a makeshift solution while its prototype was built in more industrial way; my guess that they realized the production won't be too big, so it was cheaper to go for this handmade stuff. But, I might be wrong.

  • @yuglesstube
    @yuglesstube ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is great!

  • @noelht1
    @noelht1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It’s a thing of beauty

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ...despite it is a desperate clone of a Japanese laptop, it is possible to feel a touch of love in it.

  • @Brfff
    @Brfff ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Is the СНП111 connector for the keyboard Soviet 2.5mm pitch or Imperialist 2.54mm/0.1" pitch?

  • @PhantmZero
    @PhantmZero 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    i wonder if there are any more readily keyboards available from the time who were using the same alps clone micro switches as this keyboard used on the laptop.

  • @cinskybuhsrandy5099
    @cinskybuhsrandy5099 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    polite, but cold-eyed people :) and a trip to Ljubjanka!

  • @wtmayhew
    @wtmayhew ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Removing the keyboard ribbon included a reference to the Demon Core? Oh my.

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Internal humor...))

    • @wtmayhew
      @wtmayhew ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ChernobylFamily Thank you for your excellent videos. It is good to see this history preserved and shared.

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad that you like them...! More to come!

    • @arthurlueck5709
      @arthurlueck5709 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I liked the reference to 'Tickling the Dragon'

  • @techsalesandmore3649
    @techsalesandmore3649 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If you can't fix the PSU, would you maybe let us see the laptop going using a modern PSU? It would be so cool to see this laptop going again. Even if it wasn't original PSU!

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  ปีที่แล้ว

      Happily will do as soon we'll understand the pinout.

  • @UltimatePerfection
    @UltimatePerfection ปีที่แล้ว +3

    In Soviet Russia, the laptop folds you.

  • @nateofnazareth7785
    @nateofnazareth7785 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm curious about the keyboard, as are some people I know in the keyboard community. The switch mount on the pcb resembles Mitsumi miniature mechanical, but it's soviet, so it can't be that. Any way to show?

  • @Chiavaccio
    @Chiavaccio ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Cool video!!👏👏👏🔝💯

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you! Please check our previous episodes - there is much interesting!

    • @Chiavaccio
      @Chiavaccio ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ChernobylFamily 👍👍😊👋

  • @MrWaalkman
    @MrWaalkman 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Nice looking cat & computer! Any idea where I could find a replacement LCD for a MK-85?

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If we'd know the part number, then there is a chance to find in the old stock...

    • @MrWaalkman
      @MrWaalkman 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ChernobylFamily I'll take a look, thanks!