More than 30 years ago I met a Russian emigre pianist named Nadezhda Retsker who had created a beautiful recording of this sonata. I heard it only a few times but it still haunts my memory. I have tried to find it since but to no avail. Wang Xiayin evokes some of the magic that I remember in that (lost?) recording. Such tender beauty juxtaposed to eschatological passion.
I think my favourite part is probably the groove that begins at 33:37, and then builds up to 33:53. 33:53 is incredible. Oh, also the texture at 11:29 is dope.
That performance of the second movement by Barboro is absolutely mesmeric! What atmosphere, what sweetness and poetry. As if one were contemplating their past memories through a window into the journey of their life.
These are so much better than the other recordings! Only discovered now ... :O It is so frustrating wanting to hear something like Berezovsky does live at the Roque d'Antheron festifal except in a studio quality but finding nothing and then here we go. The ending, wow ... Still my composition no.1.
Thank you, Ashish, for uploading these. Wang Xiangin is an amazingly talented pianist, such clarity! I like Barboro inconsistently, think too slow on powerful parts particularly the finale, where the power seems to me lost and I can't right now say just why, too slow here to me except at exact ending. This is one of Rachmaninoff's fantastic works and he had many,.
Thank you so much for these recent Rachmaninoff uploads! I'd have never listened to these performances otherwise. You are seriously the pinnacle of these classical music youtube channels! I have a challenge for you: As of now there aren't many renditions of Rachmaninoff's transcription of Tchaikovsky's Lullaby that do justice to his own recording. I'd love to see what kind of excellent performances you can find!
(a repost from the Lugansky - Chochieva video, just in case some people prefer this video and have some interesting things to say): Hey Ashish, I noticed your statement "Rachmaninoff was easily Beethoven’s equal when it came to sheer motivic and structural craft", and I had a question for you: many people consider Beethoven to be one of the greatest composers for the piano (people usually rank him top 5), but Rachmaninoff never seems to be anywhere close to that ranking (at least in the discourse I've been exposed to). Do you share that opinion? If so, what do Beethoven's sonatas have that Rachmaninoff's lack? Also you mentioned in B's Op.111 video that the Op.111 is one of the "most powerful and transcendent works in piano literature" followed by your quotation of Brendel: "perhaps nowhere else in piano literature does mystical experience feel so immediately close at hand"; so I was wondering if you thought any of Rachmaninoff's music had any of these "profound/mystical" moments rivaling B's Op.111 or Chopin's Op.58.
The rach 1 sonata is a study of thematic tenacity and is incredibly well constructed. my only problem with your comment is that you're implying that chopin 3 is in the same league as beethoven op 111 and the rachmaninoff....surely you are jesting...the climax at 8:09, the emergence of the second theme at the beginning of the recapitulation is so profound, there isn't anything comparable to that in chopin 3.....i dont think....
The absence of Rachmaninoff from rankings as one of the greatest composers for piano is probably due to an archaic sense of subconscious snobbism and excessively linear thinking (i.e. “the classical age was in the 18th century”, “the romantic age in the 19th century”) and anybody that does not fit into these pigeon-holes is somewhat disregarded by critics in their mass, although to say in truth, many other critics, then also, people like us, listeners, perhaps players, have our own ranking for greatness, spiritually, non-physically shared between all human beings, - this ranking is related to what our hearts tell us. So let’s not focus on what critics say, and rather on what we feel.
@@samaritan29 for the Chopin, I was just quoting Ashish's analysis on his Chopin 3 video. You are free to disagree, but I personally feel that Ashish has made a good case for its worth in his video.
I really like the style of this peice at 10:33 with the arpeggios in the left hand and big chords in the left hand and also the buildup. Does Rachmaninoff, or any other peices by different composers build to climaxes like that or have a similar structure to this area of the piece? I know Rachmaninoff has plenty of moments like that and probably am familiar with the popular tunes so maybe something unheard of?
The thick chords in parallel can also be found in the cadenza of Rachmaninov's third piano concerto. Try Bernd Glemser on Naxos for a library version (2nd recording is best of all). Kissin and Lazar Berman are also awesome in the 'cadenza'. And the last few minutes of Chopin Ballade 4 have a similarly dramatic passage of very fast chords, before a sudden oasis of peace... And then the coda. Zimerman is fantastic in all the Chopin Ballades. Anothet example is Chopin Etude op 25 no 10, an octave study where the hands move both in parallel, and sometimes in contrary motion (as with this Rach sonata section). This is a shorter piece, about three or four minutes, Perahia, Pollini and Szekely are all good. Brahms has a lot of thick chords in his piano writing. Then there is Liszt (so many pieces). And you may find your way to Scriabin, if you like Rachmaninoff. They were students together, both master pianists. Anyway if you really like Rachmaninoff, try Glemser in Concerto 3, and Ashkenazy in the Etudes-tableaux op 39. You won't look back.
I REALLY LOVE THE SLOWER TEMPO OF THIS PERFORMANCE AS I CAN CHEW AND DIGEST THE MISIC FULLY AND COMPLETELY. IT IS NOT MERELY A BRAVURA VIRTUOSO PERFORMANCE BUT OND OF ENJOYMENT OF ENJOYING ALL THE NOTES IN THEIR OWN TIME. MANY DIFFERENT APPROACHES ARE ALL GOOD, BUT THIS ONE IS LIKE ENJOYING A GOURMET DINNER EATEN SLOWLY WITHOUT RUSHING, LIKE MAKING LOVE SLOWLY AND SENSUALLY.
you really scared me with the hour long timestamp for a second i thought i was in to learn an hour long sonata and then i saw it was two different performances
I am so pleased that the classical public is re-discovering Rachmaninoff. An amazing genius who's work came from a time of great cultural chaos, the mid twentieth century.
I don't think the classical community ever forgot Rachmaninoff, he's consistently been ranked as one of the top composers of all time. His concertos alone are some of the most popular of all time.
THIS IS ABSOLUTELY THE BEST RECORDING BOTH FOR TECHNICAL RECORDING AND MUSICIANSIP ON THE NET. REALLY REMARKABLE RECORDING. WHEN RAVEL¨S GASPARD DE LA NUIT FIRST RECORDINGS WERE MADE RATHER POORLY. NOW THEY ARE PLAYED BY YOUNG PIANISTS BRILLIANTLY. THIS IS THE SAME WITH THIS RACHMANINOFF SONATA. IT IS THE CUMULATION OF MANY YEARS AND MANY PEOPLE PERFECTING THIS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT WORK. RACHMANINOFF WAS AFRAID THAT NO ONE WOLD BE ABLE TO PLAY IT, AND NOW IT IS STANDA4D REPERTOIRE. MUSICIANSHIP IS CONSTANTLY IMPROVING INEXPLAINABLY. WHILE PAINTING AND SCULPTURE ARTS ARE HEADED TO THE BOTTOM OF THE TRASH CAN ALONG WITH AWFUL ARCHITECTURE. THANK GOD FOR MUSIC OR THERE WOULD BE NOTHING OF VALUE IN OUR MODERN SOCIETY.
We have become amazing technicians but we have lost the ability to improvise and artistically innovate! Modern classical music compositions are tainted with minimalism and clumsy atonality which I liken to some modern artist splashing paint on a wall or assembling some monstrosity and calling it art.
@@David-mq5sl To be fair, I don't think anyone could improvise to the economic efficiency of Brahms, which many "atonal" neoclassicism embrace and even surpass. (Maybe Bach can, but I doubt he could do it while evading tonality) Also, I wouldn't call minimalism "classical" or compare modern music to modern visual art
More than 30 years ago I met a Russian emigre pianist named Nadezhda Retsker who had created a beautiful recording of this sonata. I heard it only a few times but it still haunts my memory. I have tried to find it since but to no avail. Wang Xiayin evokes some of the magic that I remember in that (lost?) recording. Such tender beauty juxtaposed to eschatological passion.
www.dustygroove.com/item/891977
Maybe this will help with your search.
@@p-y8210 -- I'll find it too......Mil gracias......desde San Agustinillo, Oaxaca !
YES, SHE IS NOTHING OF ETHERAL AND HEAVENLY.
I think my favourite part is probably the groove that begins at 33:37, and then builds up to 33:53. 33:53 is incredible.
Oh, also the texture at 11:29 is dope.
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That performance of the second movement by Barboro is absolutely mesmeric! What atmosphere, what sweetness and poetry. As if one were contemplating their past memories through a window into the journey of their life.
I have never heard of Wang Xiayin, but her playing is fantastic.
She made imo the best recording of Ginastera piano concerto 2
@@zgart I probably might need to loog that up because idk what piece is :)
Rachmaninoff is always a pleasure. Touching and original.
I have heard the first sonata live once, but these recordings are totally different, I really like them! I hear so many different things.
These are so much better than the other recordings! Only discovered now ... :O It is so frustrating wanting to hear something like Berezovsky does live at the Roque d'Antheron festifal except in a studio quality but finding nothing and then here we go.
The ending, wow ... Still my composition no.1.
That opening theme has so much majesty and power.
That was absolutely 😍 june16-22
Thank you, Ashish, for uploading these. Wang Xiangin is an amazingly talented pianist, such clarity! I like Barboro inconsistently, think too slow on powerful parts particularly the finale, where the power seems to me lost and I can't right now say just why, too slow here to me except at exact ending. This is one of Rachmaninoff's fantastic works and he had many,.
But then, hey .. this is his top 1. :)
anyone else hear the overtone that sounds with the LH Cs at 55:42? Divine
some rock'n'roll after 33:35 )
Thank you so much for these recent Rachmaninoff uploads! I'd have never listened to these performances otherwise. You are seriously the pinnacle of these classical music youtube channels! I have a challenge for you: As of now there aren't many renditions of Rachmaninoff's transcription of Tchaikovsky's Lullaby that do justice to his own recording. I'd love to see what kind of excellent performances you can find!
Jokes on you, that's also included in the same Hayroudinoff album!
(a repost from the Lugansky - Chochieva video, just in case some people prefer this video and have some interesting things to say):
Hey Ashish, I noticed your statement "Rachmaninoff was easily Beethoven’s equal when it came to sheer motivic and structural craft", and I had a question for you: many people consider Beethoven to be one of the greatest composers for the piano (people usually rank him top 5), but Rachmaninoff never seems to be anywhere close to that ranking (at least in the discourse I've been exposed to). Do you share that opinion? If so, what do Beethoven's sonatas have that Rachmaninoff's lack?
Also you mentioned in B's Op.111 video that the Op.111 is one of the "most powerful and transcendent works in piano literature" followed by your quotation of Brendel: "perhaps nowhere else in piano literature does mystical experience feel so immediately close at hand"; so I was wondering if you thought any of Rachmaninoff's music had any of these "profound/mystical" moments rivaling B's Op.111 or Chopin's Op.58.
The rach 1 sonata is a study of thematic tenacity and is incredibly well constructed. my only problem with your comment is that you're implying that chopin 3 is in the same league as beethoven op 111 and the rachmaninoff....surely you are jesting...the climax at 8:09, the emergence of the second theme at the beginning of the recapitulation is so profound, there isn't anything comparable to that in chopin 3.....i dont think....
The absence of Rachmaninoff from rankings as one of the greatest composers for piano is probably due to an archaic sense of subconscious snobbism and excessively linear thinking (i.e. “the classical age was in the 18th century”, “the romantic age in the 19th century”) and anybody that does not fit into these pigeon-holes is somewhat disregarded by critics in their mass, although to say in truth, many other critics, then also, people like us, listeners, perhaps players, have our own ranking for greatness, spiritually, non-physically shared between all human beings, - this ranking is related to what our hearts tell us. So let’s not focus on what critics say, and rather on what we feel.
@@samaritan29 for the Chopin, I was just quoting Ashish's analysis on his Chopin 3 video. You are free to disagree, but I personally feel that Ashish has made a good case for its worth in his video.
Rachmaninoff is (in my opinion) the greatest piano composer.
RosemanMusic I think so too. He fantastically represents all the achievements in piano musicianship of the 250 or so years that preceded his lifetime.
Bravo bravo bravo genial music sonata
santiago rodriguez is pretty good too
I really like the style of this peice at 10:33 with the arpeggios in the left hand and big chords in the left hand and also the buildup. Does Rachmaninoff, or any other peices by different composers build to climaxes like that or have a similar structure to this area of the piece? I know Rachmaninoff has plenty of moments like that and probably am familiar with the popular tunes so maybe something unheard of?
The thick chords in parallel can also be found in the cadenza of Rachmaninov's third piano concerto. Try Bernd Glemser on Naxos for a library version (2nd recording is best of all). Kissin and Lazar Berman are also awesome in the 'cadenza'.
And the last few minutes of Chopin Ballade 4 have a similarly dramatic passage of very fast chords, before a sudden oasis of peace... And then the coda. Zimerman is fantastic in all the Chopin Ballades.
Anothet example is Chopin Etude op 25 no 10, an octave study where the hands move both in parallel, and sometimes in contrary motion (as with this Rach sonata section). This is a shorter piece, about three or four minutes, Perahia, Pollini and Szekely are all good.
Brahms has a lot of thick chords in his piano writing. Then there is Liszt (so many pieces). And you may find your way to Scriabin, if you like Rachmaninoff. They were students together, both master pianists.
Anyway if you really like Rachmaninoff, try Glemser in Concerto 3, and Ashkenazy in the Etudes-tableaux op 39. You won't look back.
Tom Owen I’ll take a look into it, thank you for taking the time to a answer my question in detail!
@@tomowenpianochannel Glemser is ghastly. Avoid at all costs.
Chopin ballade no 4
I REALLY LOVE THE SLOWER TEMPO OF THIS PERFORMANCE AS I CAN CHEW AND DIGEST THE MISIC FULLY AND COMPLETELY. IT IS NOT MERELY A BRAVURA VIRTUOSO PERFORMANCE BUT OND OF ENJOYMENT OF ENJOYING ALL THE NOTES IN THEIR OWN TIME. MANY DIFFERENT APPROACHES ARE ALL GOOD, BUT THIS ONE IS LIKE ENJOYING A GOURMET DINNER EATEN SLOWLY WITHOUT RUSHING, LIKE MAKING LOVE SLOWLY AND SENSUALLY.
dat caps lock
The opening theme is so badass.
this shit is lit bro 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
That's gorgeous!!❤
Must be fantasticLly pianistic.
22:53
Was looking for this timestamp. Can someone with music theory explain why this sounds jazzy / poppy?
you really scared me with the hour long timestamp for a second i thought i was in to learn an hour long sonata and then i saw it was two different performances
I am so pleased that the classical public is re-discovering Rachmaninoff. An amazing genius who's work came from a time of great cultural chaos, the mid twentieth century.
I don't think the classical community ever forgot Rachmaninoff, he's consistently been ranked as one of the top composers of all time. His concertos alone are some of the most popular of all time.
Epic
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dev to climax: 6:25, 6:43
climax: 7:16
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34:21
Have you heard Ogdon's recording? Kudos for doing this sonata! I'm playing this one right now.
You're playing this sonata? How's it going for you?
I love this piece, I want to start learning it but I know it will be hard.
bad acoustics.....
🎼🥀1:15:30
th-cam.com/video/QpOSukwOopo/w-d-xo.html The best piano sonata I've ever heard
Sean botkin is still the best
THIS IS ABSOLUTELY THE BEST RECORDING BOTH FOR TECHNICAL RECORDING AND MUSICIANSIP ON THE NET. REALLY REMARKABLE RECORDING.
WHEN RAVEL¨S GASPARD DE LA NUIT FIRST RECORDINGS WERE MADE RATHER POORLY. NOW THEY ARE PLAYED BY YOUNG PIANISTS BRILLIANTLY.
THIS IS THE SAME WITH THIS RACHMANINOFF SONATA. IT IS THE CUMULATION OF MANY YEARS AND MANY PEOPLE PERFECTING THIS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT WORK.
RACHMANINOFF WAS AFRAID THAT NO ONE WOLD BE ABLE TO PLAY IT, AND NOW IT IS STANDA4D REPERTOIRE. MUSICIANSHIP IS CONSTANTLY IMPROVING INEXPLAINABLY.
WHILE PAINTING AND SCULPTURE ARTS ARE HEADED TO THE BOTTOM OF THE TRASH CAN ALONG WITH AWFUL ARCHITECTURE. THANK GOD FOR MUSIC OR THERE WOULD BE NOTHING OF VALUE IN OUR MODERN SOCIETY.
We have become amazing technicians but we have lost the ability to improvise and artistically innovate! Modern classical music compositions are tainted with minimalism and clumsy atonality which I liken to some modern artist splashing paint on a wall or assembling some monstrosity and calling it art.
@@David-mq5sl To be fair, I don't think anyone could improvise to the economic efficiency of Brahms, which many "atonal" neoclassicism embrace and even surpass. (Maybe Bach can, but I doubt he could do it while evading tonality)
Also, I wouldn't call minimalism "classical" or compare modern music to modern visual art
@SharkTH _ That ain't alienated???
@SharkTH _ I have seen people whistling while playing nonsense but non of them is crazy.
@SharkTH _ I just have to disagree with you on that.
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